What are you such bullies and assholes?

[sfernald]

I have been on forums like since I would go on bbses in the late seventies on my 1200 baud modem.

Why is it that this forum disrespects the golden rule that has existed for forums since their inception: attack the message, not the messenger?

Is it just cause everyone on here is a crabby old boomer asshole?

Is it because everyone on here is just so angry and bitter cause the neighbor’s car shits in your Gardenias? Is this your ‘Get off my lawn’ moment?

What happened to being civil with one another? Treating each other with kindness and respect?

I like the basketball analysis and content here but I feel like everyone is waiting to personally unleash a horde of hell on any poor soul who made the mistake of putting a thought out there.

Can’t we just stop the constant rude personal attacks a little? It would make it so much more pleasant to be here.

peace

[Pauleta14]

Preach my friend, preach :bobo

[Dex]

I am fairly certain this is all the fault of Chinook :lol

Just kidding, he's good peeps and provides good, thoughtful insights.

This forum is great for basketball discussion once you learn to look past all of the trolling and not take things too seriously

[exstatic]

It’s virtually unmoderated, and that attracts assholes.

[Chinook]

I don't think there's anything wrong with going at people. Sometimes a person is just being an asshole, and nothing gets settled if you have to pretend otherwise. It's why discussions on RGM are never fully satisfying. Issue comes from people not understanding the difference between insulting someone and using an ad homenim fallacy.

a) Dismissing someone's argument because some characteristic about them (like the team they root for, "how much ball" you perceive them to watch, etc) is fallacious. Whether the claim about that person is true or not does not affect whether the argument that person is strong.

b) Calling someone an idiot, asshole or another as part of a larger response against their point is not an ad homenim fallacy. The ad homenim fallacy is concerned with credibility, not cordiality.

And while we're here:

c) Claiming a position of authority and attempting to use that position as an argument in and of itself is fallacious and condescending. It's literally building yourself up so you can talk down to the other person. Basically the argument of "I'm more credible about this topic, so I'm right" doesn't work. If you're more credible, you should be able to demonstrate credibility by citing sources or otherwise supporting your points with external factors.

d) Not respecting a person's claim to authority is not condescending. It's irreverent. It's often a bad character trait just like being condescending is, but it's not the same thing. It's also not fallacious. Asking for evidence from someone who believes they are above proving their point is just good form. Of course that doesn't mean every opinion is equally valid, and not understanding when someone is legitimately an authority on a topic makes you an out-of-touch asshole.

I love SpursTalk because you don't have to engage with more contentious aspects of discourse if you don't want to. The ignore list exists for a reason, and liberal use of it can dramatically improve the experience, especially if you're not one of the people who has "an admirer" who'll annoy you by quoting you endlessly despite you never replying. But it feels good to be able to take off the gloves and go at it. This place isn't 4Chan. Tons of legit discussion happens, and for the most part people's darker aspects are not on display. When it happens, people tend to hyperfocus on it. But even in the Olympic thread, there's nothing that crosses the line of decency despite the blood shed over the past few days.

[Robz4000]

Fuck yo feelings clown

[John B]

It’s locker room talk and take it as that. I read insightful posters and equally ignore a lot. But it’s a great forum to follow my Spurs.

[Ef-man]

Try the soccer sub-forum, snowflake

[tonight...you]

This place used to be much, much worse.

[itzsoweezee]

This place used to be much, much worse.

Agreed. This is probably the least toxic I’ve seen this forum since I’ve been around. Not saying it isn’t obnoxious at times, but it has definitely improved for some reason

[TD 21]

Because most would never have the audacity to so do in "real life", but feel they get a reprieve almost playing a character of sorts, in anonymity behind the comfort of a screen.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean we used to have legit cyber bullying several years back with Koolaid Man, Avante, and Derp.

Spurstalk is not for the weak man. And I like that part of it tbh. I can talk bball, be told I’m wrong, proven im wrong and get shit on. Or be told I’m wrong, proven right and I get to shit talk. It’s like competitive shit talking banter

[TDomination]

The most annoying part about the attacks is when good threads are ruined because of such attacks. I just roll my eyes and say well so much for that thread.

it’s childish but since the moderation is extremely lax, it will keep happening

[Knoxxx]

Well I guess this shoe fit when I joined 15 years ago but now I don’t know WTF this person is actually talking about?!?

Some things on the Internet need moderating but a Spurs message board is not really high on that list. Yes, some people had to get it out of their system at first, then realized it’s not that interesting to post the F word just because you can.

[Leetonidas]

:lol ST is so much more tame overall than it was a decade ago

[spurs1990]

Two sides of coin on this board. Someone goes in on you then you can do the same to them.

It's the last vestige of true uncensored message board you can find outside of surlyhorns. Enjoy it

[playblair]

the kevin tran trolling is unacceptable....... kht is the best poster on this site but trolls keep attacking him............

[NASpurs]

You should put on your big man diapers and head to Reddit.

[DAF86]

Spurstalk is like battle rapping, getting your message across while shitting on your counterpart in the wittiest, douchiest way possible. It is 70% of the fun, tbh.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I mean we used to have legit cyber bullying several years back with Koolaid Man, Avante, and Derp.

Spurstalk is not for the weak man. And I like that part of it tbh. I can talk bball, be told I’m wrong, proven im wrong and get shit on. Or be told I’m wrong, proven right and I get to shit talk. It’s like competitive shit talking banter

I remember T Park back in 2005 got it bad when he quit on the team after Game 4. He was bullied for many many years

[lefty20]

The secret to handling bullies and assholes is... being dead inside, like I am.

They can't hurt what ain't there. Got em!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I remember T Park back in 2005 got it bad when he quit on the team after Game 4. He was bullied for many many years

who? oh you mean T Pork

[dbestpro]

This is a love fest compared to the way it was when the Spurs had the big three. Except for the occasional left right political crap it is middle school.

[Joseph Kony]

I remember T Park back in 2005 got it bad when he quit on the team after Game 4. He was bullied for many many years
most of that had to do with him being a massive asshole

[ismael-robert]

Surprised no one has dropped the classic op is a faggot line

[Pauleta14]

This thread brought all the all-timers :lol

[JPB]

If you don't take it too seriously and as locker room talk, that's just part of the fun, as long as the discussion stays focused on the spurs or BB, and free of insults.The Internet can make you stupid and regressive but everyone here would just hug and smile if they meet IRL, as spurs fans we all are.

The only annoying part is when people make it personal and go at each others for 5 pages trying to convince the other he's the smarter one (which as we all know perfectly works on the Internet).

It's true this forum could take a bit of moderation (just to remove insults, racism, homophobia, bigotry, or unnecessary aggressiveness) but between the sanitized, politically correct and honestly boring forums where you feel like a russian opponent in Moscow or a 12 year kid monitored by your amish parents.. and this forum, I'll take the freedom of ST any day.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Shut the fuck up

[Strategic]

I could look past it all if someone besides myself would say something intelligent once in a while.

[JPB]

Why is it that this forum disrespects the golden rule that has existed for forums since their inception: attack the message, not the messenger?

Is it just cause everyone on here is a crabby old boomer asshole?

Is it because everyone on here is just so angry and bitter cause the neighbor’s car shits in your Gardenias? Is this your ‘Get off my lawn’ moment?

Why are you such a bully and and an asshole? Is it because you're a snowflake millenium who needs his safe space?


What happened to being civil with one another? Treating each other with kindness and respect?

Yeah, what happened?

[Limguogolo]

I don't think there's anything wrong with going at people. Sometimes a person is just being an asshole, and nothing gets settled if you have to pretend otherwise. It's why discussions on RGM are never fully satisfying. Issue comes from people not understanding the difference between insulting someone and using an ad homenim fallacy.

a) Dismissing someone's argument because some characteristic about them (like the team they root for, "how much ball" you perceive them to watch, etc) is fallacious. Whether the claim about that person is true or not does not affect whether the argument that person is strong.

b) Calling someone an idiot, asshole or another as part of a larger response against their point is not an ad homenim fallacy. The ad homenim fallacy is concerned with credibility, not cordiality.

And while we're here:

c) Claiming a position of authority and attempting to use that position as an argument in and of itself is fallacious and condescending. It's literally building yourself up so you can talk down to the other person. Basically the argument of "I'm more credible about this topic, so I'm right" doesn't work. If you're more credible, you should be able to demonstrate credibility by citing sources or otherwise supporting your points with external factors.

d) Not respecting a person's claim to authority is not condescending. It's irreverent. It's often a bad character trait just like being condescending is, but it's not the same thing. It's also not fallacious. Asking for evidence from someone who believes they are above proving their point is just good form. Of course that doesn't mean every opinion is equally valid, and not understanding when someone is legitimately an authority on a topic makes you an out-of-touch asshole.

I love SpursTalk because you don't have to engage with more contentious aspects of discourse if you don't want to. The ignore list exists for a reason, and liberal use of it can dramatically improve the experience, especially if you're not one of the people who has "an admirer" who'll annoy you by quoting you endlessly despite you never replying. But it feels good to be able to take off the gloves and go at it. This place isn't 4Chan. Tons of legit discussion happens, and for the most part people's darker aspects are not on display. When it happens, people tend to hyperfocus on it. But even in the Olympic thread, there's nothing that crosses the line of decency despite the blood shed over the past few days.

Most of your posts remind me of an embarrassing anecdote that happened to me at school when submitting an essay. It was in art class, but this could also apply to quite a few of my last “essays”; because yes, without wanting to offend you (don't see it as a sign of French imperialism), I believe that we suffer from the same illness.

In this essay/test we had to determine the artistic art of different art works proposed in illustration, and then, argue our answers (typical test in France). The whole class answered the original question perfectly, except me. However, the professor was embarrassed because all the arguments deployed apparently made a lot of sense. Everything was perfectly argued, but the initial error of interpretation had distorted everything.

Carefully developing arguments in long posts can make sense, can give the appearance of sticking to the facts. Except that if everything is argued based on misinterpreted data or information, it will remain gibberish that will appear to have been written by ChatGPT. I know something about it, it can be very painful to read. Our difference is that in the event of deep disagreement, I would quickly ridicule the subject or “the messenger”, while you will keep this tone which could be assimilated to rectitude, academicism or conservatism. , which will never make you deviate from your initial interpretation.

I don't know if this topic refers to discussions on the so-called imperialism of the French, but from what I saw, it still remained relatively courteous. In a discussion, we cannot always avoid sophisms or low-brow rhetoric. The whole art of discussion is knowing how to stop when points of view are irreconcilable.

(Note: “imperialism” is not an artistic style.)

[NASpurs]

Surprised no one has dropped the classic op is a faggot line

Took a lot of self-restraint from me to not drop a "shut up faggot". Personal growth.

[Emperor]

:pop: We like what we have.

[scott]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, back in the day we had dudes who could triangulate your position based on a shadow in a photo, then proceed to stalk and dox you. Today, they'll just say something sexist, racist or homophobic. Maybe I consider that an improvement. Maybe not though....

[KingKev]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, back in the day we had dudes who could triangulate your position based on a shadow in a photo, then proceed to stalk and dox you. Today, they'll just say something sexist, racist or homophobic. Maybe I consider that an improvement. Maybe not though....

who doesn’t like a little attention?!?

[BacktoBasics]

90% of the problem here is that maga fucktards believe they’ve been given a voice so they feel they can interject their political and social intolerances into every fucking conversation.

If not for them this place is largely tolerable.

[Chinook]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, back in the day we had dudes who could triangulate your position based on a shadow in a photoback in the day we had dudes who could triangulate your position based on a shadow in a photo, then proceed to stalk and dox you. Today, they'll just say something sexist, racist or homophobic. Maybe I consider that an improvement. Maybe not though....

:lol I remember that. That person thought they were helping too. Like, "Hey girl, it's better I do this than some creeper".

[tonight...you]

(Note: “imperialism” is not an artistic style.)
Depends on how you go about it, tbh.

[scott]

:lol I remember that. That person thought they were helping too. Like, "Hey girl, it's better I do this than some creeper".

One of my all time favorite moments in ST history. Also the reason I'm fearful of anyone from eastern Oregon.

[rjv]

One of my all time favorite moments in ST history. Also the reason I'm fearful of anyone from eastern Oregon.

i'm still waiting to see if there's ever an episode about him on Dateline.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

“What”? It really should say “Why”, OP. Just sayin’.

[spurraider21]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, back in the day we had dudes who could triangulate your position based on a shadow in a photo, then proceed to stalk and dox you. Today, they'll just say something sexist, racist or homophobic. Maybe I consider that an improvement. Maybe not though....


:lol I remember that. That person thought they were helping too. Like, "Hey girl, it's better I do this than some creeper".
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117205&p=3117701&viewfull=1#post3117701

[scott]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117205&p=3117701&viewfull=1#post3117701

How is this not archived as a classic thread? tbh

[MannyIsGod]

How is this not archived as a classic thread? tbh

LOL, oh WC. Still not sure if that dude was just an elaborate well executed troll, neurodivergent, or the father of all incels.

[NASpurs]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, back in the day we had dudes who could triangulate your position based on a shadow in a photo, then proceed to stalk and dox you. Today, they'll just say something sexist, racist or homophobic. Maybe I consider that an improvement. Maybe not though....

Now there's dudes making a living out of it, like Rainbolt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpKAw2exj8) :lol

[Dex]

“What”? It really should say “Why”, OP. Just sayin’.

Grammar bullying now, @Ed? Too far bro :cry

[lefty20]

Now there's dudes making a living out of it, like Rainbolt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBpKAw2exj8) :lol

Yo, his clips are wild doe.

And I've heard that he ain't even the best geo-guesser.

[benefactor]

Because I can

Faggot

[baseline bum]

LOL, oh WC. Still not sure if that dude was just an elaborate well executed troll, neurodivergent, or the father of all incels.

He started posting as a black Jamaican Trump supporter from China for a while.

[Chinook]

He started posting as a black Jamaican Trump supporter from China for a while.

I thought it was a Chinese-Jamaican Trump-supporting woman. Or were there multiple such accounts? Would be an extremely narrow niche to mind, but it's not like they were known for their creativity.

[baseline bum]

I thought it was a Chinese-Jamaican Trump-supporting woman. Or were there multiple such accounts? Would be an extremely narrow niche to mind, but it's not like they were known for their creativity.

Black Jamaican woman born in China

[MannyIsGod]

Black Jamaican woman born in China

LMAO wow.

[Pauleta14]

I'm fine with the banter

What bothers me is the ridiculous time wasted going ad hominem unnecessarily, when as adults you should know you'll be wrong most of the time.

Let's just focus on the messages rather than the messengers, and not add factors like "he's french/agentinian so of couse he says this..." or "he's a Wemby fan so of course ..."

[Brazil]

OP is a faggot tbh...

[CorrectCrusader]

This is like the last place on the internet where you can say whatever the hell you want. If you can't handle that, go to the billion other websites that have basement dweller millennial moderators

[rjv]

OP expects too much of people, tbh. ST is just a microcosm of the world outside the window.

[exstatic]

OP expects too much of people, tbh. ST is just a microcosm of the world outside the window.

I beg to differ. Very few here would have the stones to say what they post here in the “world outside the window”. They do it here, because it’s safely anonymous.

[rjv]

I beg to differ. Very few here would have the stones to say what they post here in the “world outside the window”. They do it here, because it’s safely anonymous.

touché

[NASpurs]

I beg to differ. Very few here would have the stones to say what they post here in the “world outside the window”. They do it here, because it’s safely anonymous.

Bitch, I'll fight you at your local gym of choice ... pending that you sign a waiver form.

[scott]

He started posting as a black Jamaican Trump supporter from China for a while.


I thought it was a Chinese-Jamaican Trump-supporting woman. Or were there multiple such accounts? Would be an extremely narrow niche to mind, but it's not like they were known for their creativity.

Is this Wild Cobra?!?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhNVceRXgAE3x90.jpg

[rjv]

i remember when posters would challenge other posters to meet up somewhere in public so that they could commit premeditated aggravated assault on the record. good times.

[Knoxxx]

Just dropping in to say hi to my fellow bullies and assholes howzit today?!?

[scott]

i remember when posters would challenge other posters to meet up somewhere in public so that they could commit premeditated aggravated assault on the record. good times.

You mean like last month? Except that involved signing waivers.

[tonight...you]

You mean like last month? Except that involved signing waivers.
That shit was hilarious.

[rjv]

You mean like last month? Except that involved signing waivers.

i must have missed that one :lol

[Robz4000]

Just dropping in to say hi to my fellow bullies and assholes howzit today?!?

Fahk you

[scott]

i must have missed that one :lol

It was amazing. Some troll account was telling dudes to come fight him at his local gym, but you had to sign a waiver. :lol

[tonight...you]

i must have missed that one :lol
Good shit.

[Ef-man]

i must have missed that one :lol

This is where it goes off the rail


That’s what I thought you’re a bitch! All you had to do was sign a waiver but go ahead king, keep talking big shit on the internet, until someone test you and you back out like the bitch you are. For the record, this was nothing but recruiting effort to turn you to a real man rather than the bitch you are that cries on the internet thinking your opinion will ever matter to the Spurs :lol Wasting 20 years of your life, loser :lol

[koriwhat]

You mean like last month? Except that involved signing waivers.

Do tell... What is this about? Seen it mentioned in 2 threads now.

[Ef-man]

Coy Joey, claiming he knows nothing about the Loop 49 signing waivers :lol

[DisAsTerBot]

Welcome to Spurstalk, bitch

[benefactor]

It was amazing. Some troll account was telling dudes to come fight him at his local gym, but you had to sign a waiver. :lol
That was a good time:lol

[timtonymanu]

Only pussies and assholes complain about bullies and assholes.

[Fireball]

“What”? It really should say “Why”, OP. Just sayin’.

This. Instant credibility loss ...

[DJR210]

I am thankful you can speak your mind here without having to hide shit behind emojis and other snowflake shit to avoid the bot moderators of social media.. and tbh it is moderated, it just takes a special breed of asshole to warrant it

[koriwhat]

Coy Joey, claiming he knows nothing about the Loop 49 signing waivers :lol

LMAO you're crazy Ef. Seriously mental.

[rascal]

most of that had to do with him being a massive asshole

Drink Draino

[offset formation]

I have been on forums like since I would go on bbses in the late seventies on my 1200 baud modem.

Why is it that this forum disrespects the golden rule that has existed for forums since their inception: attack the message, not the messenger?

Is it just cause everyone on here is a crabby old boomer asshole?

Is it because everyone on here is just so angry and bitter cause the neighbor’s car shits in your Gardenias? Is this your ‘Get off my lawn’ moment?

What happened to being civil with one another? Treating each other with kindness and respect?

I like the basketball analysis and content here but I feel like everyone is waiting to personally unleash a horde of hell on any poor soul who made the mistake of putting a thought out there.

Can’t we just stop the constant rude personal attacks a little? It would make it so much more pleasant to be here.

peace

Would be nice definitely. That said this place feels like a nunnery compared to starting here 18 yrs or whatever ago since I've been visiting

[John B]

Today’s culture is that, bullies hiding behind their computers. Still every time you come to a barber shop sports talk, be prepared to meet different people’s ways of defending their team, including bullying and attacking personalities to win arguments. If it gets too hot, then learn to ignore or leave.