Grades: Spurs at Mavericks - Oct. 24, 2024

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/grades-spurs-mavericks-2025-game-1/

[KingKev]

Atleast it’s a good draft year.

[venitian navigator]

I think its clear that this loss in on Wemby rustiness...whenever he was on court he was always involved and touching the ball more than necessary, but probably thats' the plan till he regains his shape and get comfortable with the new team rules, new teammates and the fact that opposing teams now know a lot better who he is and how he plays and are trying studied tactics to let him be uncomfortable...all our offensive game was thruough him and he obviously (and logically ) wasn't ready to bear all this from the first game of the season.
That said, I'm skeptical neither that we're gonna push Wemby to accelerate his development in a nuclear weapon he's supposedly gonna become, nor that in any case we'll do much more than look for just a decent record against teams in a western conference that's as strong as ever...and probably that's all by design...
I know he and the club said this season is on the wiew of winning games, but the same thinghs were said last season and, as the draft choices we made (you never sell a top 10 pick for later picks 6/7 years from now if you want to win immediately or as soon as possible) has made clear, its actually not in the best interest of the team to use all energies for the winning goal at all costs. So this one will probably be another season where outcome doesn't count too much simply because we're not "enough" to be a contender...and we're looking to add more quality pieces considering that we're gonna have for sure 2 first round draft picks (and possibly four), in a loaded draft.

[Pauleta14]

I've been resisting for years to be a Pop hater (athough not in the sniffer camp :lol).

It feels like this is the season I run out of excuses...

Using the first games of the season as pre season games warm up is a nice addition to Pop's legendary coaching tbh.

If Vassell doesn't have an Allstar season, Wemby is going to get bullied all season long, opp teams have NO ONE else to respect in the spurs's roster.

[ambchang]

^ yup, back to blaming teammates. Never change.

Face it, wemby had a bad game, it’s no big deal. It has nothing to do with his teammates, he jacked up ill advised shot. He turned the ball over. His teammates played decent ball.

[benefactor]

Their offense sputtered at times but most of the problems looked correctable.
An overall lack of talent isn't correctable tbh

[Pauleta14]

^ yup, back to blaming teammates. Never change.

Face it, wemby had a bad game, it’s no big deal. It has nothing to do with his teammates, he jacked up ill advised shot. He turned the ball over. His teammates played decent ball.

wtf are you talking about :lol

Go read my other posts I've been on Vic all day...

And this post was at no point a criticism of Devin but of the FO

Take a deep breathing and read again

[z0sa]

I'm withholding much judgment til DV returns. Without his scoring, we're not going to keep up with the vast majority of NBA teams.

That said, CP3 looks done. It's the first game and he already looks tired. I don't think there's anything left there for a concerted effort. Would love to be wrong.

Barnes looked good. So did Champ. Castle did well for Game 1 of his NBA career, but he's not going to change the face of the team any time soon.

Zollins was remarkably disciplined in not jacking up a dozen shots.

Otherwise, the team didn't look good. 23-24 all over again. Hopefully, Vassell makes a bigger impact than I'm expecting.

[Mal]

I am worried how easily Wemby chucked 8 threes.

[Mnky]

^ yup, back to blaming teammates. Never change.

Face it, wemby had a bad game, it’s no big deal. It has nothing to do with his teammates, he jacked up ill advised shot. He turned the ball over. His teammates played decent ball.

His teammates being bad and him playing bad can both be true.

Spurs were competitive for 3 quarters, and then the stars took over. Spurs have 1, and he didn't show up.

I didn't like the preordained messages coming from the Spurs that wemby would start the season rusty and playing bad. In the end, Spurs aren't competing right now and maybe that's they're bottom line. They don't care how bad of a product they push as long as they keep wemby healthy, everything else doesn't matter.

Wemby definitely needs to mature with his shot selection and decision making but he's still a kid with the whole defense focused on him at all times. It'll slow down. He'll be fine.

Not enjoying the reserved role for stephon castle. He clearly needs to be on the court more. I wanted him to play second unit to get the ball more. In the 4th, that unit kept looking him off. Wesley and branham both playing for the same spot as him isn't healthy for his development. Yes, he can't shoot, but neither can the rest of the team.

Still, 3 quarters of competitiveness besides wemby doing everything he can to throw the game away was a good sign for the team improving.

Wemby will play better. Castle will eventually get more lead minutes. Vassell helps the starters quite a bit and champ will mesh well with castles game when the lineup set.

[mystargtr34]

Yeah CP3 to me looks like 3 of the 4 wheels have fallen off and the last wheel is all rim and scraping the road. He can’t get by anyone he can barely get any separation when using a screen. Still a valuable addition for what he can teach the young guys especially Castle but yeah he looks done.

[tbdog]

I think CP3 was fine. I don't expect him to beat many on the switch. He had some scrappy plays and got some good looks for our non shooters.

Mavs packed that paint. I am stunned Sochan got that many points because it felt like he rarely had room under the basket. Same as Wemby obviously.

Wemby didn't have the energy and just was loose with the ball.

I was most disappointed with our rebounding. Mavs have hard working bigs and other than Sochan, Spurs don't have those scrappers.

[Mr. Body]

Dallas is the reining Western Conference champions and the only change to their lineup is they added a three time champion Klay Thompson. Does anyone remember this?

The Spurs decided to let Wemby rest after a busy summer and are using the early season to build chemistry. Chris Paul is nearly forty. The most important outside scorer was hurt.

It's not a surprise the Mavs, at home, on opening night, after a Finals run, with the league scoring champion and MVP candidate won.

To me, I see that Sochan, Barnes, and Julian had great games. JC especially. Has he turned the corner into a pretty great role player? And CP looked fine for what he'll eventuality do here.

So maybe we can pick a lane. Around here it's people getting upset we won't get a good draft pick and then the next moment getting upset we're not doing everything to win games. Pick a lane.

Or don't. But it's a little wild to not recognize the Mavs were one of the top two or three teams in the league last year.

[Gervin44Silas13]

Hopefully 10 games in they will get it going...Impressed with Champ and Banes...without them 2 we would have been runned out of the the AA Center....BAD Also WTF is up with Luka MFer Always crying to the refs...he like effn Aarron Rodgers dude shut up and play your fucken game!!

[Atl Spur]

I'm withholding much judgment til DV returns. Without his scoring, we're not going to keep up with the vast majority of NBA teams.

That said, CP3 looks done. It's the first game and he already looks tired. I don't think there's anything left there for a concerted effort. Would love to be wrong.

Barnes looked good. So did Champ. Castle did well for Game 1 of his NBA career, but he's not going to change the face of the team any time soon.

Zollins was remarkably disciplined in not jacking up a dozen shots.

Otherwise, the team didn't look good. 23-24 all over again. Hopefully, Vassell makes a bigger impact than I'm expecting.

I believe you let castle take his lumps now but learn / gel with the team ; he is your pg. Let him play big minutes and work through the mistakes. He appears to be a fast learner!

[KingKev]

One of the few bright spots this early in what probably is another 30 win season is that Champ seems legit.

[quentin_compson]

One of the few bright spots this early in what probably is another 30 win season is that Champ seems legit.

"Another 30 win season" after two seasons with 22 wins? You're being quite optimistic there ... :D

[weebo]

One game and it’s doom and gloom. This place never changes.

[exstatic]

One game and it’s doom and gloom. This place never changes.

Game? This fucking place lives and dies with every POSSESSION.

[Bruno]

Mavs are the better team and Wemby had a really bad game. It's a logical and deserved loss.

Something noteworthy after the preseason and this first game is Champagnie's level. "3 and D" players are highly valued in today's NBA. If Champagnie confirmed to be a decent/good one, Spurs will have one of the best non-rookie contract in this league with Champagnie being locked at $3M per year for the next 3 years.

[exstatic]

Mavs are the better team and Wemby had a really bad game. It's a logical and deserved loss.

Something noteworthy after the preseason and this first game is Champagnie's level. "3 and D" players are highly valued in today's NBA. If Champagnie confirmed to be a decent/good one, Spurs will have one of the best non-rookie contract in this league with Champagnie being locked at $3M per year for the next 3 years.

Trivia: the NBA really wanted Mac McClung in the dunk contest in 2023, but they didn’t want the winner to be a gleaguer. They asked around, and Philly Agreed to sign him, waiving Julian in the process. Earlier that season, Philly had waived Bassey, so for the prices of…nothing, we got a starter and a rotation big.

[twodeep]

While Awful Coaching gives us Pop bad grades for horrible defense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMvnrGCXwy4

[LeBowen]

I actually don't see the point of Tre in the rotation when everyone is healthy.
We don't need any of that two point guards on the floor nonsense if Tre isn't actually taking and making 3pt shots. Last night he took 0 in 15 minutes.
Castle is already showing he'll be a point guard, will probably be better than Tre within a few months.

Mamu has had a great pre-season and deserves minutes.
Collins has been as useless as ever, Bassey can't be worse than him on defense.
Castle/Champagnie/Keldon/Mamu/Bassey looks like a way better bench to me than whatever we had out there last night.

Starting lineup would've been fine if Wemby had a good game, can't expect them to do more when he's turning it over so much and not making any shots.

[BacktoBasics]

We already knew CP3 was done. Don't know why anyone is shocked by that. He can certainly buy us enough time to at least look like a basketball team. Even with him cooked we shouldn't see other players bringing the ball up the court when he's in the game. That alone needs stop and would help.

[jjspur]

Yes we lost to Dallas but I expected that. I'm a realist, we are overall a better team than last year. The addition of Barnes, Paul, and Castle will help us in the long run although Paul seems to be running on fumes. More players are playing where they should be, like Branham and Wesley in garbage time rather than starting or extended minutes on the second team. Wemby looks tired but probably just needs to adjust back to the NBA style of play rather than the somewhat slower Olympic style. At least no one took a step backwards - with Paul its just old age. Once we play a team closer to our level and not last years conference champs who also improved a bit, it will become more obvious, the improvements from last season.

[TheChillFactor]

what did y'all want or expect from CP3? He's old, and he is there to run the offense, I thought he did a great job.

He isn't going to take over the game, ever. He's 39 fucking years old. His presence and awareness seem to help more than I thought they would.

One more year of development/maturation and I think we'll be in position to be a 4-6 seed. After that, contention.

[NASpurs]

what did y'all want or expect from CP3? He's old, and he is there to run the offense, I thought he did a great job.

He isn't going to take over the game, ever. He's 39 fucking years old. His presence and awareness seem to help more than I thought they would.

One more year of development/maturation and I think we'll be in position to be a 4-6 seed. After that, contention.

I’m still waiting on that development part people keep talking about. Every player looks the same as last year. The only way you can tell time has passed is that some have longer hair than last year. This team lacks talent and the hope for potential growth from most players.

[KingKev]

I’m still waiting on that development part people keep talking about. Every player looks the same as last year. The only way you can tell time has passed is that some have longer hair than last year. This team lacks talent and the hope for potential growth from most players.

I absolutely hear you on this but Sochan looked comfortable in his more defined role and Champ looks like he may thrive this season. Low hanging fruit, I know but we have become a factory for developing role players for championship squads (not our chips) just need to get back to actually winning games while developing some diamonds in the rough.

[Pauleta14]

I’m still waiting on that development part people keep talking about. Every player looks the same as last year. The only way you can tell time has passed is that some have longer hair than last year. This team lacks talent and the hope for potential growth from most players.

Yep. Except for Champ tho, he's a steal at his cost now

[Pauleta14]

I absolutely hear you on this but Sochan looked comfortable in his more defined role and Champ looks like he may thrive. Low hanging fruit I know but we have become a factory for developing role players for championship squads (not our chips).

I liked Sochan defensive game and overall activity, but it was aleady the case last season and even his rookie season.

I want to see improvements in decision making, poise, not being all over the place unnecessarily etc He still looks the same on offense

[onechance87]

I absolutely hear you on this but Sochan looked comfortable in his more defined role and Champ looks like he may thrive this season. Low hanging fruit, I know but we have become a factory for developing role players for championship squads (not our chips) just need to get back to actually winning games while developing some diamonds in the rough.

sochan looks the same bro.

[jeebus]

Blow the team up. Install Branham as the tank commander, lets get this rebuild started.

[Raven]

what did y'all want or expect from CP3? He's old, and he is there to run the offense, I thought he did a great job.

He isn't going to take over the game, ever. He's 39 fucking years old. His presence and awareness seem to help more than I thought they would.

One more year of development/maturation and I think we'll be in position to be a 4-6 seed. After that, contention.

play the pick and roll tbh

[couchman]

What I'm watching for in these games is the development of Wemby, Sochan, and Castle.
Devin's development will also be key when he returns.
I expect us to be in the lottery again and hopefully get lucky with that again, so development is key.
We should be trying to win btw, as part of our development, but I don't think we will win very much in a stacked West.


Wemby -
The question remains whether he can be a primary playmaker or if we can get someone else to do that job and have Wemby focus on being an elite finisher instead.
So far we've basically let him do whatever in hopes that he can develop as a primary playmaker, but that has meant a lot of turnovers and inefficiency.
We saw tons of that last night and my concern is that I don't see a lot of development year over year so far.
His Olympic title game performance was great, but he was actually very inconsistent in the Olympics.
We won't win consistently until he either cleans up his game or switches his focus.
At some point he either becomes that primary guy or we need to reign him in and have him become an elite and efficient finisher.
Either way he'll be the lead scorer and superstar on this team, it's just a question of whether he's in a Jokic type of role as a primary playmaker or a KD type of role as an elite finisher.

Sochan -
I liked what I saw!
He's only a decent 3pt shot away from being an elite role player.
People think defense translates immediately out of college but for most players it takes some time to develop just like offense does.
Late last season Sochan started showing signs of being the elite defender we expected out of college and he had more good moments last night.
His offensive game remains a work in progress but I see signs there too.
With time and experience the out of control stuff will hopefully be controlled.

Castle -
It's very tempting to play him more because he does so many things so well!
He looked good out there. The passing is real and he's a PG in my book.
I've generally felt that Castle is a boom / bust prospect based on his shooting, but he is so good at so many things that maybe he can be useful without it? I dunno
But with the 4th overall pick you expect a lot more than "useful."
I like that we're bringing him along slowly so that he doesn't have some awful 0-6 3pt shooting nights out there that ruin his confidence.
Let him adapt his overall game in spurts and let his shooting develop over time. He's probably 2 years away from being special if he can learn to shoot.

Final thoughts:
The biggest problem with our best developmental prospects is that none of them have proven to be good shooters.
Even Wemby is inconsistent there.
Just watch our luck that we'll get the #1 pick next year and end up with non-shooter Cooper Flagg!
I guess that would be a good problem to have but a roster construction problem nonetheless

[KingKev]

I liked Sochan defensive game and overall activity, but it was aleady the case last season and even his rookie season.

I want to see improvements in decision making, poise, not being all over the place unnecessarily etc He still looks the same on offense

Honestly dude this is likely what he is. Don’t over pay him on an extension and put him on a winning team and I think those intangibles are going to be very valuable.

[Russ]

I am worried how easily Wemby chucked 8 threes.

I'd be more worried if he made a lot of them (1-8 so there's hope).

[DPG21920]

An overall lack of talent isn't correctable tbh

I think adding Vassell + just making cleaner reads/decisions will make things look much better IMO

[onechance87]

I think adding Vassell + just making cleaner reads/decisions will make things look much better IMO

We need a second better big after wemby.Obviously not collins,But not sure if bassey can rebound and defend better.

[Mal]

Something noteworthy after the preseason and this first game is Champagnie's level. "3 and D" players are highly valued in today's NBA. If Champagnie confirmed to be a decent/good one, Spurs will have one of the best non-rookie contract in this league with Champagnie being locked at $3M per year for the next 3 years.

I really doubt Spurs will be able to take advantage of this.He would be handy for teams like Phoenix, like another 2030+ 1st round pick if Vassell and Castle can coexist

[spurraider21]

His teammates being bad and him playing bad can both be true.

Spurs were competitive for 3 quarters, and then the stars took over. Spurs have 1, and he didn't show up.

I didn't like the preordained messages coming from the Spurs that wemby would start the season rusty and playing bad. In the end, Spurs aren't competing right now and maybe that's they're bottom line. They don't care how bad of a product they push as long as they keep wemby healthy, everything else doesn't matter.

Wemby definitely needs to mature with his shot selection and decision making but he's still a kid with the whole defense focused on him at all times. It'll slow down. He'll be fine.

Not enjoying the reserved role for stephon castle. He clearly needs to be on the court more. I wanted him to play second unit to get the ball more. In the 4th, that unit kept looking him off. Wesley and branham both playing for the same spot as him isn't healthy for his development. Yes, he can't shoot, but neither can the rest of the team.

Still, 3 quarters of competitiveness besides wemby doing everything he can to throw the game away was a good sign for the team improving.

Wemby will play better. Castle will eventually get more lead minutes. Vassell helps the starters quite a bit and champ will mesh well with castles game when the lineup set.
the shooting in that second unit with castle will improve when vassell comes back, as will push julian into the reserve unit. with mamu not getting any real backup PF minutes, looks like the rotational reserves right now are Collins (though I'd like to see more Bassey here), Keldon, Champagnie, Castle, Tre. if Tre's minutes are cut some and Castle gets some point guard minutes, you could have him running point along with a unit with Champagnie, one of Vassell/Barnes out there, Keldon, Collins. thats not the worst shooting lineup around

it did catch my eye just how much more quickness jones brought to the table than paul, but if he's not going to be assertive and productive, then im not sure why we'd want him to share the floor with paul or take minutes from castle

[John B]

19 TO’s didn’t help. That could be unfamiliarity with each other. Pop’s decision to used the final 2 games of the Pre-season still playing the scrubs for minutes didn’t help the starters getting more playing time together. But it was warranted to get people chances to make the team, while giving players who played the Olympics more time to recuperate, especially Wemby who obviously was working on his physique. But it was commendable that the Spurs competed and even rallied back when down. But again, they were playing against the Western Conference champs, who added another lethal shooter in Klay. It was too much to ask. Doncic was too good finding people. And the Mavs simply moved great getting open and distributing the ball. Their bigs were hassling and making plays. If the Mavs continue playing like last night, they could find themselves in the Finals again.

The much anticipated CP3/Wemby combination has not happened yet, except for one lob pass. Some due to CP3 slowing down. There was a shot of him gasping for air. But he was still finding people, but just not in his prime rate. Wemby needed to cut more, more purposefully to the basket. Likewise his teammates need to make decisive cuts, get themselves open. Champ was doing great. Likewise Barnes shooting well. Sochan and CP3 shooting should open up Wemby more. Again, just need to play more together. Instead we saw turnover after turnover.

There is an argument for Castle to start. He looks poised and brings additional firepower. Likewise, he could help point guard duties with CP3 and give much needed break. I would move Sochan to the bench and allow him to help punish the 2nd squad, along with Tre, Keldon, Mamu and Collins. Vassell will be back and should give more options and allow Wemby to roam around and CP3 to find him off cuts, and multiple pick and roll.

[polandprzem]

Spurs still in preseason mode while other teams seem to be in a season at least what I saw in other games at the glance.

Chaos, and not really much structure developed when it comes to offense in a system that is based on structure more then anything.

Mavs are better and they woke up in 2nd half and did what they had to do cause they are aiming at championship.


Spurs are aiming at the playoffs.

[objective]

Some things I think should be addressed going forward, but I'm not going to talk about Wemby because there's no doubt about his future with the team.

1. I don't like seeing Paul and Tre Jones playing together. Just seems a pointless waste of time, Jones isn't turning into prime Patty Mills, don't play him like a 2 guard.
2. Castle needs to play 28+ minutes. I was not pro-Castle, but he is much more deserving of development minutes than making sure Tre Jones eats for instance. It's kind of sad that he played 18 minutes last night but 6 of those were in garbage time. 12 minutes of competitive action is not enough. Cut Jones minutes, it's Castle time. Even Paul played 28 minutes. If that had been a competitive game down the stretch it would have been over 30 minutes for an elderly man
3. Bassey is probably better than Zollins.
4. I wonder if this was just a Barnes revenge game and a blip on the radar
5. Happy that Pop benched Branham and most of Wesley ... But it does raise the question, if Branham is out of the rotation without Vassell soaking up 30 minutes, why was his option picked up?

[John B]

Some things I think should be addressed going forward, but I'm not going to talk about Wemby because there's no doubt about his future with the team.

1. I don't like seeing Paul and Tre Jones playing together. Just seems a pointless waste of time, Jones isn't turning into prime Patty Mills, don't play him like a 2 guard.
2. Castle needs to play 28+ minutes. I was not pro-Castle, but he is much more deserving of development minutes than making sure Tre Jones eats for instance. It's kind of sad that he played 18 minutes last night but 6 of those were in garbage time. 12 minutes of competitive action is not enough. Cut Jones minutes, it's Castle time. Even Paul played 28 minutes. If that had been a competitive game down the stretch it would have been over 30 minutes for an elderly man
3. Bassey is probably better than Zollins.
4. I wonder if this was just a Barnes revenge game and a blip on the radar
5. Happy that Pop benched Branham and most of Wesley ... But it does raise the question, if Branham is out of the rotation without Vassell soaking up 30 minutes, why was his option picked up?

Because it’s an 82 games season. Anything can happen. I think it was 2021 when players were getting injured left and right. And Malaki is a streaky scorer, just needs a lot of prodding.

[poopbox]

Mavs are the better team and Wemby had a really bad game. It's a logical and deserved loss.

Something noteworthy after the preseason and this first game is Champagnie's level. "3 and D" players are highly valued in today's NBA. If Champagnie confirmed to be a decent/good one, Spurs will have one of the best non-rookie contract in this league with Champagnie being locked at $3M per year for the next 3 years.

Julian is a scrub who is just shooting well right now. 10 games from now he'll be back to shooting 31% on wide open 3's while doing nothing else. Did have a good game last night and was mostly good in the preseason though.

[poopbox]

Some things I think should be addressed going forward, but I'm not going to talk about Wemby because there's no doubt about his future with the team.

1. I don't like seeing Paul and Tre Jones playing together. Just seems a pointless waste of time, Jones isn't turning into prime Patty Mills, don't play him like a 2 guard.
2. Castle needs to play 28+ minutes. I was not pro-Castle, but he is much more deserving of development minutes than making sure Tre Jones eats for instance. It's kind of sad that he played 18 minutes last night but 6 of those were in garbage time. 12 minutes of competitive action is not enough. Cut Jones minutes, it's Castle time. Even Paul played 28 minutes. If that had been a competitive game down the stretch it would have been over 30 minutes for an elderly man
3. Bassey is probably better than Zollins.
4. I wonder if this was just a Barnes revenge game and a blip on the radar
5. Happy that Pop benched Branham and most of Wesley ... But it does raise the question, if Branham is out of the rotation without Vassell soaking up 30 minutes, why was his option picked up?

Your only other option is Wesley and/or Branhim getting minutes. You want that? I don't.

Logicaly what should be happening is any of those Tre and CP minutes should be going to Castle but Pop is always slow to figure out even the most logical lineups. Devin will be back by the time he figures this out and by then it won't matter.

[John B]

Julian is a scrub who is just shooting well right now. 10 games from now he'll be back to shooting 31% on wide open 3's while doing nothing else. Did have a good game last night and was mostly good in the preseason though.

I guess players like FVV, Danny Green don’t belong in the league? Champ worked hard with his shots. He got quick release and was not hesitant. He took it to the rim when his defender got took close, played great defense. It’s next-man-up, and would be great for our bench players to take advantage of every opportunity like Champ is doing.

[Pauleta14]

Julian is a scrub who is just shooting well right now. 10 games from now he'll be back to shooting 31% on wide open 3's while doing nothing else. Did have a good game last night and was mostly good in the preseason though.

Champ shot 36.5% of his 3s last season and has shown regular signs of improvements.

At 3M he's a steal and the last of our worries rn

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

This loss was on Victor in my opinion. Dude had a horrible game last night. Hopefully the coaching staff helps him clean up his shot selection. They gotta draw up some plays that put him in better situations and he obviously has to make better decisions.

castle is gonna eventually get a ton of minutes because it’s obvious the young man can play. Proud of Julian and I hope he plays well all or most of the season.

its one game and it was against a pretty good team. I think we will improve and maybe win 30 games this season. More than that is a huge plus in my book.

[z0sa]

I believe you let castle take his lumps now but learn / gel with the team ; he is your pg. Let him play big minutes and work through the mistakes. He appears to be a fast learner!

Yeah, I would rather Castle start if CP3 isn't going to be a scoring threat. CP3 would probably do a lot better vs benches anyway, but he's making $10mil, so hard to justify that to ownership I guess.

[z0sa]

This loss was on Victor in my opinion. Dude had a horrible game last night. Hopefully the coaching staff helps him clean up his shot selection. They gotta draw up some plays that put him in better situations and he obviously has to make better decisions.

castle is gonna eventually get a ton of minutes because it’s obvious the young man can play. Proud of Julian and I hope he plays well all or most of the season.

its one game and it was against a pretty good team. I think we will improve and maybe win 30 games this season. More than that is a huge plus in my book.

Wemby has no active direction. It's just throw him out there and hope he "develops." Into who? Who is he modeling his game after, streetballers? His best move vs Mavs was in the low post with an up and under, and absolutely no one should be surprised. He will be best in the post areas. I see more David in him than Timmy, so maybe around the top of the key. Expecting to be 7'5 and beat yours and the rest of the opposing team off the dribble from 2 feet behind the 3point simply is not going to work unless his 3point shot vastly improves in consistency.

If it was my call, I'd be getting him at the top of the key a la Dirk/DRob with some mid-low post stuff sprinkled in. Be a spot up or one dribble pull up (since he does tend to shoot slightly better dribbling into 3s) 3point shooter. Force them to double you in the middle of the floor which will open up everything, even for our very questionable shooters outside of 1-2 guys.

[Bill_Brasky]

Dang. I thought it was OK. Shitty game from Victor. Thought we kept it to a good game until they started hitting all those 3s at the end. Garbage squad tried to make a comeback. Probably the best shooting we'll see from Branham all year.

[Manu20]

Wemby has no active direction. It's just throw him out there and hope he "develops." Into who? Who is he modeling his game after, streetballers? His best move vs Mavs was in the low post with an up and under, and absolutely no one should be surprised. He will be best in the post areas. I see more David in him than Timmy, so maybe around the top of the key. Expecting to be 7'5 and beat yours and the rest of the opposing team off the dribble from 2 feet behind the 3point simply is not going to work unless his 3point shot vastly improves in consistency.

If it was my call, I'd be getting him at the top of the key a la Dirk/DRob with some mid-low post stuff sprinkled in. Be a spot up or one dribble pull up (since he does tend to shoot slightly better dribbling into 3s) 3point shooter. Force them to double you in the middle of the floor which will open up everything, even for our very questionable shooters outside of 1-2 guys.

Absolutely agree, the Coaching Staff should dust off some old tapes from Dirk. To my untrained eyes I think Victor wants to model his game after KD's.

[DPG21920]

I really doubt Spurs will be able to take advantage of this.He would be handy for teams like Phoenix, like another 2030+ 1st round pick if Vassell and Castle can coexist

I dont see why not: A lineup of Castle + Vassell + JC + Sochan + Wemby sounds pretty nice especially if Castle can find his 3PT shot

[Dex]

Game? This fucking place lives and dies with every POSSESSION.

This is easily the worst post I have ever seen and we should shut down the entire forum for allowing it to be posted.

[z0sa]

Absolutely agree, the Coaching Staff should dust off some old tapes from Dirk. To my untrained eyes I think Victor wants to model his game after KD's.

The concept of a 7'5 KD does appeal to me. KD wasn't a great shooter very early in his career, either. Only thing is, Wemby has a lot more physical presence than KD. I'm not saying he couldn't be a 30 point scorer who primarily does it from the outside, but it seems like that'd be under-utilizing his length and athleticism.

[rjv]

Mavs are the better team and Wemby had a really bad game. It's a logical and deserved loss.

Something noteworthy after the preseason and this first game is Champagnie's level. "3 and D" players are highly valued in today's NBA. If Champagnie confirmed to be a decent/good one, Spurs will have one of the best non-rookie contract in this league with Champagnie being locked at $3M per year for the next 3 years.

thanks for the reasonable take amid the sea of the usual ST hyperbole and overreaction. no vassell, a bad game from Wemby, a team that had the rest equivalent to having flown into dallas in the early A.M. and playing a team that could easily get back to the conference finals will likely give you the same result ten times out of ten.

[rjv]

spot on with the summary of sochan's game. one minute he was helpful and the next moment he was hurtful. he reminded me of a kid on a Y team that just has one gear and just can't seem to slow it down. KJ on the other hand, is the kid that just doesn't want to pass the ball to anyone else and winds up taking crappy shots instead.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, I would rather Castle start if CP3 isn't going to be a scoring threat. CP3 would probably do a lot better vs benches anyway, but he's making $10mil, so hard to justify that to ownership I guess.
more so than the salary itself, its that he has said that part of the reason he chose SAS is the opportunity to start/play more than he did with GSW. and the spurs are counting on him to be a good leader/mentor for the club. benching him for a rookie despite his stated desire to play could only cause things to sour. if he was some long timer spur who had to pass the baton and take a seat on the bench it would be different (like TP becoming a reserve for Murray). but thats not the situation here.

[spurraider21]

i like that sochan really embraces physicality and loves to bang in the paint. he's become a stronger finisher down low. but still, im concerned that he is pretty undersized for that role on offense. yes, other players 6'8 or below have thrived in paint/bruiser roles, but they were either much stronger than sochan (z-bo types) or also just much more athletic to get above the rim (aaron gordon).

sochan seems like a bit of a tweener where defensively he's a perimeter man to man defender and offensively he's kind of a junk-ball 4.

[z0sa]

more so than the salary itself, its that he has said that part of the reason he chose SAS is the opportunity to start/play more than he did with GSW. and the spurs are counting on him to be a good leader/mentor for the club. benching him for a rookie despite his stated desire to play could only cause things to sour. if he was some long timer spur who had to pass the baton and take a seat on the bench it would be different (like TP becoming a reserve for Murray). but thats not the situation here.

Makes a lot of sense. I agree that starting CP3 is the move then if he's going to be upset about being promised one role then relegated to another. Appreciate the context.

In a vacuum, though, I'd still rather Castle starting :lol

[spurraider21]

Makes a lot of sense. I agree that starting CP3 is the move then if he's going to be upset about being promised one role then relegated to another. Appreciate the context.

In a vacuum, though, I'd still rather Castle starting :lol
i think he can get there, but he will grow into the role.

i think the ideal path is more and more of his minutes to come at Tre's expense. when vassell returns, and if we stick to a 9 man rotation (meaning at least one of the starters is still on the floor), a typical bench unit could look something like:

Castle - Champagnie - Keldon - Barnes/Sochan - Collins

or

Castle - Vassell - Champagnie - Keldon - Collins

either of those lineups would allow him to play alongside an adequate amount of shooters to give him passing options. and if he thrives in that role and continues to show he is worthy of more playing time as we approach the deadline, it could be a situation where paul is moved.

there has been speculation that paul's deal was at a pretty specific salary which would make him a trade candidate to a contender. he makes enough where a contender can send over an MLE type player for him, and also not too high where he becomes ineligible to be signed by teams above the apron in the event he is bought out.

[SouthernFried]

Spurs will suck until the Front Office doesn't.

I don't see that happening anytime soon.

On a positive note, I don't need to watch Spurs games anymore. I'll be still watching Basketball, just not as much Spurs. They are painful to watch anyway. I'll see Wemby on CNN.

Oh, and somebody please explain to me how Champagnie went from worst to best in 1 offseason. I've seen people improve in an offseason...but this was something else.

[KingKev]

Spurs will suck until the Front Office doesn't.

I don't see that happening anytime soon.

On a positive note, I don't need to watch Spurs games anymore. I'll be still watching Basketball, just not as much Spurs. They are painful to watch anyway. I'll see Wemby on CNN.

Oh, and somebody please explain to me how Champagnie went from worst to best in 1 offseason. I've seen people improve in an offseason...but this was something else.

It is a tad troubling that Champ might be the best thing we have out of 3 years of “development” but he he is looking pretty good out there.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Things I liked:
1. Champ continuing his fine play. He's going to be a strong bench performer this year.
2. Wemby and Sochan chemistry. Sochan is cutting to the open spot whenever Wemby has the ball below the free throw line and Wemby is looking for him.
3. Barnes will be a steadying influence on the team this year. Much needed.
4. Castle continues to show huge potential. His minutes will need to increase as the year progresses.
5. Zollins overall play. His defense was improved from last year.

Things I hope to see:
1. CP3 directing Wemby to the best spots more. Wemby is so much more effective as a finisher.
2. Castle's 3pt shot development. Fingers crossed.
3. Mamu getting more than garbage minutes. I think his play whenever he gets a chance has earned him more PT.
3.

[LeBowen]

Oh, and somebody please explain to me how Champagnie went from worst to best in 1 offseason. I've seen people improve in an offseason...but this was something else.

It's 2024. Shooting is the most important aspect of the game now, whether someone likes to admit it or not.
Champagnie is our only natural shooter. You know, type of player who's a threat of the ball and moves into right positions. Until Devin is back, that is.
Everyone else is just a stationary shooter who gets helped off and takes wide open shots.

When you're the only player on the team who's good at something, you look better than you actually are.
Having a player like Champagnie is good for any team, but he looks so good only because our spacing is horrible.

Then the bench comes on and we're back to 1984 spacing.
Last night our bench had 99:14 minutes combined, including garbage time.
3/9 from 3pt.
8 of them played at least 6 minutes each and took 9 3pt shots combined.
That just can't work in 2024.

Champagnie was 4/8 from 3pt.
The rest of the starters? 5/19.
Even if we exclude Wemby's awful night, it's still 4/11 between 3 of them. Nowhere near enough volume.

It's been like 5 years now and we're still a horrible shooting team. Can't get anywhere with this spacing.

[Bruno]

I actually don't see the point of Tre in the rotation when everyone is healthy.
We don't need any of that two point guards on the floor nonsense if Tre isn't actually taking and making 3pt shots. Last night he took 0 in 15 minutes.
Castle is already showing he'll be a point guard, will probably be better than Tre within a few months.

Castle need consistent minutes at the PG spot. That's where his future is in the NBA.

Paul being a 39 years old injury prone players complicate everything. He makes Tre useless when healthy but Tre will be badly needed when Paul will be out. Managing the PG spot for pop while keeping Paul and Jones happy and while allowing Castle to grow will be a challenge this season.

[DPG21920]

Theres 2 things that disappointed me with Wemby:

1) Screening. He is still setting such weak and ineffective screens. That is just focus and effort and attention to detail and playing for others. That can be fixed and should be.

2) As productive as he was his rookie year, his offensive game is still raw overall. Im ok with that and just speaks to his talent that he can put up numbers with that being the case. However, in games like last night, he cannot be a guy with little to no impact on the game if his shot isnt falling. He still should be dominating defense and setting screens and crashing boards and getting to line etc…I didnt like that he couldn’t find a way to truly make a legit impact last night to his defensive standards due to his offense being off.

Of course I dont think that will always be the case, but Im watching those two things because screening was an issue last year and I know his offense is still very much a work in progress so I want to see him having star impact on defense even on off offensive nights.

[scott]

I dont see why not: A lineup of Castle + Vassell + JC + Sochan + Wemby sounds pretty nice especially if Castle can find his 3PT shot

If Pop had some balls, I think the best rotation would actually look like this:

Castle/CP3
Vassell/Branham
Julian/Keldon
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Bassey

I hate having to elevate Branham to backup SG, but if Castle is going to be a PG, then we literally have no other options. I guess you could slide Tre or Blake in for some minute there, but I don't like the midget backcourt with CP3 and Tre and Blake would result in a huge drop off in shooting.

I like having Barnes in the starting 5 as a steady vet presence if CP3 is on the bench.

Of course... Pop would never do this "out of respect" to CP3.

Since that's the case, I'd just run a primary 3-man guard rotation of CP3/Castle/Devin with Tre and Blake picking up the scraps.

[DPG21920]

If Pop had some balls, I think the best rotation would actually look like this:

Castle/CP3
Vassell/Branham
Julian/Keldon
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Bassey

I hate having to elevate Branham to backup SG, but if Castle is going to be a PG, then we literally have no other options. I guess you could slide Tre or Blake in for some minute there, but I don't like the midget backcourt with CP3 and Tre and Blake would result in a huge drop off in shooting.

I like having Barnes in the starting 5 as a steady vet presence if CP3 is on the bench.

Of course... Pop would never do this "out of respect" to CP3.

Since that's the case, I'd just run a primary 3-man guard rotation of CP3/Castle/Devin with Tre and Blake picking up the scraps.

I dont see any reason to prioritize Barnes over Sochan tbh….but overall ya agree we won’t see Pop do that to CP3. Maybe post ASB if Castle really shines? But I cant imagine before then without an injury to CP40

But then again, CP is a great way to soft tank which honestly? Not that mad at.

[spurraider21]

If Pop had some balls, I think the best rotation would actually look like this:

Castle/CP3
Vassell/Branham
Julian/Keldon
Barnes/Sochan
Wemby/Bassey

I hate having to elevate Branham to backup SG, but if Castle is going to be a PG, then we literally have no other options. I guess you could slide Tre or Blake in for some minute there, but I don't like the midget backcourt with CP3 and Tre and Blake would result in a huge drop off in shooting.

I like having Barnes in the starting 5 as a steady vet presence if CP3 is on the bench.

Of course... Pop would never do this "out of respect" to CP3.

Since that's the case, I'd just run a primary 3-man guard rotation of CP3/Castle/Devin with Tre and Blake picking up the scraps.
theres an avenue to have a 10 man rotation that starts Barnes and excludes Branham anyway, it just requires Mamu being the reserve 4

Paul/Castle
Vassell/Champagnie
Barnes/Keldon
Sochan/Mamu
Vic/Collins (or Bassey... but det Zollins contract)

or even a 9 man rotation where each of Barnes/Keldon play some time at PF alongside Vassell/Champagnie at the wings

[spurraider21]

also, while i was pleased with Branham being out of the rotation, it also kind of reinforces how silly it was to pick up his 4th year option. picking him up means not only do you feel quite strongly that you want him on the roster next year (which is a weird position to take for someone out of the rotation at the start of year 3), but also that you think he would cost more than 5mil to bring back in the open market.

i dont see who is offering 5 mil for branham

[scott]

theres an avenue to have a 10 man rotation that starts Barnes and excludes Branham anyway, it just requires Mamu being the reserve 4

Paul/Castle
Vassell/Champagnie
Barnes/Keldon
Sochan/Mamu
Vic/Collins (or Bassey... but det Zollins contract)

or even a 9 man rotation where each of Barnes/Keldon play some time at PF alongside Vassell/Champagnie at the wings

My only problem with this rotation is that I think it shorts Castle and Champ of minutes that they should be getting.

[scott]

also, while i was pleased with Branham being out of the rotation, it also kind of reinforces how silly it was to pick up his 4th year option. picking him up means not only do you feel quite strongly that you want him on the roster next year (which is a weird position to take for someone out of the rotation at the start of year 3), but also that you think he would cost more than 5mil to bring back in the open market.

i dont see who is offering 5 mil for branham

Anytime you have an opportunity to create dead money in the future, you have to take it

[scott]

I dont see any reason to prioritize Barnes over Sochan tbh….but overall ya agree we won’t see Pop do that to CP3. Maybe post ASB if Castle really shines? But I cant imagine before then without an injury to CP40

But then again, CP is a great way to soft tank which honestly? Not that mad at.

Not so much about prioritizing Barnes over Sochan as it is just making sure you have one competent vet on the floor at all times.

[DPG21920]

Not so much about prioritizing Barnes over Sochan as it is just making sure you have one competent vet on the floor at all times.

I get that aspect but I personally dont think it supersedes the importance of letting Wemby/Sochan work together as much as possible.

[LeBowen]

My only problem with this rotation is that I think it shorts Castle and Champ of minutes that they should be getting.

Let's go a bit deeper...assuming that CP3/Devin/Jeremy/Barnes/Wemby is the starting lineup when Devin returns, how would you stagger minutes?

As I said before, I think our bench unit will be an issue and that Devin should play with them, kind of how Middleton does.

Jeremy and Castle shouldn't spend many minutes on the floor together unless we try going small when Wemby sits. It's not like Collins offers any rim protection.
Or just play Bassey with three shooters.

Castle/Devin/Keldon/Mamu/Bassey to end the first quarter and begin the second looks good enough.
Or even have Keldon check in early with Champagnie and have both Devin and Barnes play with the bench in the first half.

Back to small lineup, I think that Castle/Devin/Barnes/Jeremy/Mamu could mitigate the lack of true big against most benches and we could just run them off the floor.

[Strategic]

I’m puzzled by Pop’s grades not taking into consideration what he did and didn’t do at the end of the game. Spurs were down by 11 with more than two minutes to play and he threw in the towel. Call time outs, set up fouls, be aggressive on the bench, something. Show the players that this shit matters to him. I’d rather them go all out but still lose by 5 points or so than just let them coast to the loss. Unacceptable leadership.

[poopbox]

I guess players like FVV, Danny Green don’t belong in the league? Champ worked hard with his shots. He got quick release and was not hesitant. He took it to the rim when his defender got took close, played great defense. It’s next-man-up, and would be great for our bench players to take advantage of every opportunity like Champ is doing.

Did you compare Julian to players who have made all defensive and all star teams ? :rollin

[John B]

Did you compare Julian to players who have made all defensive and all star teams ? :rollin

Would you think FVV will be? 30 teams didn’t think so. :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Can anyone explain to me a good reason why our #4 pick PG isn’t getting point guard minutes over final year of contract Tre Jones? Or am I supposed to just be okay with this bad decision?

[ambchang]

wtf are you talking about :lol

Go read my other posts I've been on Vic all day...

And this post was at no point a criticism of Devin but of the FO

Take a deep breathing and read again

*Back*. Read *Back*.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/43fc2142-bda8-458d-91f9-21d4cd77d4be
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/75c95b38-78bb-4c85-9f9a-1ea5ff2c4a02

[ambchang]

His teammates being bad and him playing bad can both be true.

Spurs were competitive for 3 quarters, and then the stars took over. Spurs have 1, and he didn't show up.

I didn't like the preordained messages coming from the Spurs that wemby would start the season rusty and playing bad. In the end, Spurs aren't competing right now and maybe that's they're bottom line. They don't care how bad of a product they push as long as they keep wemby healthy, everything else doesn't matter.

Wemby definitely needs to mature with his shot selection and decision making but he's still a kid with the whole defense focused on him at all times. It'll slow down. He'll be fine.

Not enjoying the reserved role for stephon castle. He clearly needs to be on the court more. I wanted him to play second unit to get the ball more. In the 4th, that unit kept looking him off. Wesley and branham both playing for the same spot as him isn't healthy for his development. Yes, he can't shoot, but neither can the rest of the team.

Still, 3 quarters of competitiveness besides wemby doing everything he can to throw the game away was a good sign for the team improving.

Wemby will play better. Castle will eventually get more lead minutes. Vassell helps the starters quite a bit and champ will mesh well with castles game when the lineup set.

Not sure what you were expecting from the rest of the team, wemby played like flaming garbage, by far the worst player on the court relative to their abilities, and the rest of the team did well. Champaigne was great, Barnes couldn’t miss, sochan did well outside of a few mistakes (expected), KJ0 settled in, castle showed up. That allowed them to stay sighing striking distance of the defending WC champs.

A team with their best player playing the worst possible game (I hope) and still being able to hang with a good team isn’t having bad teammates.

Stop being a 2005 laker fan and blaming everyone except Kobe. It’s disgusting.

[TekXX]

Can anyone explain to me a good reason why our #4 pick PG isn’t getting point guard minutes over final year of contract Tre Jones? Or am I supposed to just be okay with this bad decision?

Pop is an old school boomer, rookies can't get big minutes over a vet, even Tre Jones.

[Pauleta14]

*Back*. Read *Back*.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/43fc2142-bda8-458d-91f9-21d4cd77d4be
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/75c95b38-78bb-4c85-9f9a-1ea5ff2c4a02

Thx, in case anyone had any doubt about your stupidity

I pointed out the BS you said and that's your answer... :lol

[ambchang]

Thx, in case anyone had any doubt about your stupidity

I pointed out the BS you said and that's your answer... :lol

Do you understand what “back to blaming teammates” mean? And you have the galls to call anyone stupid? Look up stupid in the dictionary and your picture should be right there.

[Pauleta14]

Do you understand what “back to blaming teammates” mean? And you have the galls to call anyone stupid? Look up stupid in the dictionary and your picture should be right there.

I can only judge you with what you're showing me

You have real reading/comprehension issues to come up with this conclusion and it's not the 1st time you show those limitations.

[ambchang]

I can only judge you with what you're showing me

You have real reading/comprehension issues to come up with this conclusion and it's not the 1st time you show those limitations.

Buddy, I’m not sure why you are digging this hole. You ain’t getting out of it. “Back to” meant you were away from it and got back to it. I read your other posts and thought “dude can finally acknowledge wemby not doing well in a game, then you went “back” to it. You understand now?

Man, it’s so frustrating talking to you because you have the incredibly ability to accuse others of what you are doing exactly. As in accusing others of having comprehension problems when you can’t understand what back to means, despite it being explained to you twice more.

I want to draw you an illustration book but perhaps you may not be able to understand hst either.

[spurs10]

I wonder if Dev will bring more offensively to the table than Champ.

[exstatic]

I wonder if Dev will bring more offensively to the table than Champ.

Dev has better self creation than Champ. He’s a legit 3 level scorer

[Pauleta14]

Buddy, I’m not sure why you are digging this hole. You ain’t getting out of it. “Back to” meant you were away from it and got back to it. I read your other posts and thought “dude can finally acknowledge wemby not doing well in a game, then you went “back” to it. You understand now?

Man, it’s so frustrating talking to you because you have the incredibly ability to accuse others of what you are doing exactly. As in accusing others of having comprehension problems when you can’t understand what back to means, despite it being explained to you twice more.

I want to draw you an illustration book but perhaps you may not be able to understand hst either.

Im going to be honest I don't have much patience with you any more, I think you're either a little bit stupid or just so obsessed with having the last word that you become a brain contortionist

"finally acknowledge that wemby is not doing well" is not only false but as usual condescending from someone who once again missed or didn't get the point I was making.

I've been ignoring your absurd posts and will continue to do so, you should do the same with mine.

I have exceptionally some time to kill today but I'm done with those absurd convo you keep bringing me in.

Take care mate

[Mnky]

Not sure what you were expecting from the rest of the team, wemby played like flaming garbage, by far the worst player on the court relative to their abilities, and the rest of the team did well. Champaigne was great, Barnes couldn’t miss, sochan did well outside of a few mistakes (expected), KJ0 settled in, castle showed up. That allowed them to stay sighing striking distance of the defending WC champs.

A team with their best player playing the worst possible game (I hope) and still being able to hang with a good team isn’t having bad teammates.

Stop being a 2005 laker fan and blaming everyone except Kobe. It’s disgusting.

First thing I said was the spurs only star didn't show up.

[Mnky]

Im going to be honest I don't have much patience with you any more, I think you're either a little bit stupid or just so obsessed with having the last word that you become a brain contortionist

"finally acknowledge that wemby is not doing well" is not only false but as usual condescending from someone who once again missed or didn't get the point I was making.

I've been ignoring your absurd posts and will continue to do so, you should do the same with mine.

I have exceptionally some time to kill today but I'm done with those absurd convo you keep bringing me in.

Take care mate

Think you're on to something. He disagreed with me by agreeing with me. I must admit, It's a bold strategy.

[ambchang]

Im going to be honest I don't have much patience with you any more, I think you're either a little bit stupid or just so obsessed with having the last word that you become a brain contortionist

"finally acknowledge that wemby is not doing well" is not only false but as usual condescending from someone who once again missed or didn't get the point I was making.

I've been ignoring your absurd posts and will continue to do so, you should do the same with mine.

I have exceptionally some time to kill today but I'm done with those absurd convo you keep bringing me in.

Take care mate

You had issue with comprehension, accused me of it, got pointed out three times before you finally got it, finally realized that you forgot to read, then is now moving to another entirely unrelated subject spewing a bunch of nothing and basically throwing a hissy fit, and now accusing me of being stupid?

Remember me saying you having the insane ability of accusing others of what you’re doing exactly? You’re doing it again.


Btw, you seem to have time to kill everyday posting the same garbage over and over again for months, but the second you got embarrassed you just go “I’m too good for you”. I mean, you do it every time, at least change it up a little.

[ambchang]

First thing I said was the spurs only star didn't show up.

My bad, misread. I think I quoted the wrong message.

[Pauleta14]

You had issue with comprehension, accused me of it, got pointed out three times before you finally got it, finally realized that you forgot to read, then is now moving to another entirely unrelated subject spewing a bunch of nothing and basically throwing a hissy fit, and now accusing me of being stupid?

Remember me saying you having the insane ability of accusing others of what you’re doing exactly? You’re doing it again.


Btw, you seem to have time to kill everyday posting the same garbage over and over again for months, but the second you got embarrassed you just go “I’m too good for you”. I mean, you do it every time, at least change it up a little.

You're the Karen of Spurtalk I just realised :lol

Just put me on your ignore list and go enjoy your life ;)

[Mal]

I dont see why not: A lineup of Castle + Vassell + JC + Sochan + Wemby sounds pretty nice especially if Castle can find his 3PT shot

My line of thought is Champagne trade value is decreasing with every day. Castle need time.

[ambchang]

You're the Karen of Spurtalk I just realised :lol

Just put me on your ignore list and go enjoy your life ;)

So where did this come from? So once again talked yourself in the corner and is throwing a hissy fit.

Do you even know what a Karen means? It has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation.

My advice to you, try to actually be a spurs fan instead of a wemby Stan.

[Pauleta14]

So where did this come from? So once again talked yourself in the corner and is throwing a hissy fit.

Do you even know what a Karen means? It has absolutely nothing to do with the current situation.

My advice to you, try to actually be a spurs fan instead of a wemby Stan.


Karen... again?!? :lol

- Just FYI I've been more critic on Wemby than any other players for weeks, so whatever movie you keep playing in your head needs an update.

- Everybody knows what Karen means and it suits you perfectly.

- Genuinely no hate towards you, almost sad imagining the mental struggles you're probably going through.

- Mental health isn't a joke, you need to take care of yourself and focus less on others (who in the end really don't care about you)

- It's just basketball.

- Have a lovely day

[exstatic]

My line of thought is Champagne trade value is decreasing with every day. Castle need time.

You’re probably wrong on this, because I think most of the teams in the league would love to have a solid 3andD wing who makes $3M a year for this season and the next two.

[LeBowen]

You’re probably wrong on this, because I think most of the teams in the league would love to have a solid 3andD wing who makes $3M a year for this season and the next two.

And what's even Champagnie's trade value? Noone is giving up a FRP for him and at that point it's irrelevant because Spurs have way too many SRPs.
As you said, he's a great bench shooter on a very good deal and he's not a negative defender. Can't ask for more.

[ambchang]

Karen... again?!? :lol

- Just FYI I've been more critic on Wemby than any other players for weeks, so whatever movie you keep playing in your head needs an update.

- Everybody knows what Karen means and it suits you perfectly.

- Genuinely no hate towards you, almost sad imagining the mental struggles you're probably going through.

- Mental health isn't a joke, you need to take care of yourself and focus less on others (who in the end really don't care about you)

- It's just basketball.

- Have a lovely day

lol. Still don’t understand what the word “back” means.

So “everyone” knew what Karen means, because you probably took a survey or something, but it’s obvious you don’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)


Karen is a slang term typically used to refer to a middle-class white American woman who is perceived as entitled or excessively demanding.[1] The term is often portrayed in memes depicting middle-class white women who "use their white and class privilege to demand their own way".[1][2] Depictions include demanding to "speak to the manager", being racist, or wearing a particular bob cut hairstyle.[3] It was popularized in the aftermath of the Central Park birdwatching incident[needs context] in 2020.

Was I a white American woman? How was I entitled? How was I excessively demanding? How did I use my white and class privilege to demand my way? Did I demand to speak with your manager? Was I racist? Did I have a bob cut hairstyle?

You have no idea what you are talking about a vast majority of time, somehow think you are an expert on it and when being called out throw a hissy fit. It’s not being a Karen on your part, just an idiot.

P.s. calling out mental health now. Like what? Disagreeing with you and questioning you isn’t acceptable anymore? Anyone who disagree with you is crazy? Just pure idiocy.

[Pauleta14]

lol. Still don’t understand what the word “back” means.

So “everyone” knew what Karen means, because you probably took a survey or something, but it’s obvious you don’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)



Was I a white American woman? How was I entitled? How was I excessively demanding? How did I use my white and class privilege to demand my way? Did I demand to speak with your manager? Was I racist? Did I have a bob cut hairstyle?

You have no idea what you are talking about a vast majority of time, somehow think you are an expert on it and when being called out throw a hissy fit. It’s not being a Karen on your part, just an idiot.

P.s. calling out mental health now. Like what? Disagreeing with you and questioning you isn’t acceptable anymore? Anyone who disagree with you is crazy? Just pure idiocy.

Stop educating yourself via wikipedia and go outside a bit :lol

Karen has no gender, no ethnicity or political affiliations

Karen doesn't disciminate

Karen other than being obnoxious, lacks awareness and is driven by his/her ego to the point of figthing unnecessary fights despite his/her "opponant" offering multiple peaceful exits.

Karen also NEEDS to have the last word and will change the goal post or narrative to fall bac on her feet as well as possible.

Kaen is a survivor :lol

peace

[ambchang]

Stop educating yourself via wikipedia and go outside a bit :lol

Karen has no gender, no ethnicity or political affiliations

Karen doesn't disciminate

Karen other than being obnoxious, lacks awareness and is driven by his/her ego to the point of figthing unnecessary fights despite his/her "opponant" offering multiple peaceful exits.

Karen also NEEDS to have the last word and will change the goal post or narrative to fall bac on her feet as well as possible.

Kaen is a survivor :lol

peace

Yup, we should take your word rather than wiki. Understood. We should all submit to your infinite retardedness.

All hail Pauleta.

Calling people Karen, stupid and have mental issues are the best demonstration of peaceful exits.

How dumb can you get. This is just getting hilarious.

[Dex]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/unFLKoAV3TkXe/200w.gif?cid=6c09b9523w8yx5gksukdf7os9lx7l3so1wzv9 c0hr4xobk5j&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[Pauleta14]

Yup, we should take your word rather than wiki. Understood. We should all submit to your infinite retardedness.

All hail Pauleta.

Calling people Karen, stupid and have mental issues are the best demonstration of peaceful exits.

How dumb can you get. This is just getting hilarious.

ok Karen :lol

[Mal]

You’re probably wrong on this, because I think most of the teams in the league would love to have a solid 3andD wing who makes $3M a year for this season and the next two.

Exactly, that's the whole point. But not the Spurs. They are not gonna spend to max within next two seasons, so they won't benefit as much and could fetch another 1st in early 2030s

[exstatic]

Exactly, that's the whole point. But not the Spurs. They are not gonna spend to max within next two seasons, so they won't benefit as much and could fetch another 1st in early 2030s
They went out of their way this summer to keep him, asking CP to take $1M less and Barnes to waive his trade kicker so that all of the pieces of the trade would fit. Are you in the wrong multiverse or something?

[ambchang]

Im going to be honest I don't have much patience with you any more, I think you're either a little bit stupid or just so obsessed with having the last word that you become a brain contortionist

"finally acknowledge that wemby is not doing well" is not only false but as usual condescending from someone who once again missed or didn't get the point I was making.

I've been ignoring your absurd posts and will continue to do so, you should do the same with mine.

I have exceptionally some time to kill today but I'm done with those absurd convo you keep bringing me in.

Take care mate


So …. Half a dozen posts later and you are still here.


ok Karen :lol

This response added absolutely but you had to do it, dozens of posts after saying you’re done with me, because ….


Stop educating yourself via wikipedia and go outside a bit :lol

Karen has no gender, no ethnicity or political affiliations

Karen doesn't disciminate

Karen other than being obnoxious, lacks awareness and is driven by his/her ego to the point of figthing unnecessary fights despite his/her "opponant" offering multiple peaceful exits.

Karen also NEEDS to have the last word and will change the goal post or narrative to fall bac on her feet as well as possible.

Kaen is a survivor :lol

peace

Your level of self awareness is off the charts bad. Continuously exhibited a way below average level of intellect and kept calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you stupid, then respond in the stupidest way possible and somehow thinks you are smart. It’s really mind boggling, I’ve really never seen anything this bad.

[exstatic]

Will you two get a fucking room, or better take your shit to PMs?

[gilmor2002]

dont know about u guys.. i am so disgusted that bunch - Klay and Luka toying us.. prob mavericks is the team to hate this seson

[The Truth #6]

So Karen has gone from privileged white lady to gender neutral... fascinating stuff.

[z0sa]

i think he can get there, but he will grow into the role.

i think the ideal path is more and more of his minutes to come at Tre's expense. when vassell returns, and if we stick to a 9 man rotation (meaning at least one of the starters is still on the floor), a typical bench unit could look something like:

Castle - Champagnie - Keldon - Barnes/Sochan - Collins

or

Castle - Vassell - Champagnie - Keldon - Collins

either of those lineups would allow him to play alongside an adequate amount of shooters to give him passing options. and if he thrives in that role and continues to show he is worthy of more playing time as we approach the deadline, it could be a situation where paul is moved.

there has been speculation that paul's deal was at a pretty specific salary which would make him a trade candidate to a contender. he makes enough where a contender can send over an MLE type player for him, and also not too high where he becomes ineligible to be signed by teams above the apron in the event he is bought out.

I think, if we are in the playin hunt, CP3 will stay, but I did a bit of research after your post and confirmed his family didn't even join him here, so it's really wide open for him as you said.

I'm still iffy on the concept of Pop only playing 9 guys until late in the season, though. I think Wesley and Branham will get a lot of run, unfortunately sometimes at Castle's expense. I hope not, though, and you're right. I'd say your rotation prediction will be spot on if Pop doesn't have a super-boner for overplaying Wesley and especially Branham.

[exstatic]

So Karen has gone from privileged white lady to gender neutral... fascinating stuff.

I think there was never a concensus on what to call a male Karen, so like ‘dude’, it became gender neutral. It really took off when the automotive fire starter was tagged as Space Karen on social media.

[Pauleta14]

Will you two get a fucking room, or better take your shit to PMs?

I'm actually trying to avoid her, she's the one taking the initiative 100% of the time.

got to be honest tho, the child in me can't help but keep poking her.

I got to be better ^^

[exstatic]

I'm actually trying to avoid her, she's the one taking the initiative 100% of the time.

got to be honest tho, the child in me can't help but keep poking her.

I got to be better ^^

Much easier to do when you don’t see the posts.

Tap on the username, taking you to their profile.
Select adduserto ignore list.
Tap Yes to confirm.

[Pauleta14]

Much easier to do when you don’t see the posts.

Tap on the username, taking you to their profile.
Select adduserto ignore list.
Tap Yes to confirm.

Thx

I was more talking about unnecesarry confrontations when I come here to chill.

I have no issue seing anyone's post, I'm actually here for that :lol

[ambchang]

I'm actually trying to avoid her, she's the one taking the initiative 100% of the time.

got to be honest tho, the child in me can't help but keep poking her.

I got to be better ^^

So how do you try to avoid me and poke at the same time? I’m still trying to a post that makes sense from you. It’s not easy.

[Pauleta14]

ffs ambchang get a life!! :lol

There's a game in 2 min, I dont care

[ambchang]

ffs ambchang get a life!! :lol

There's a game in 2 min, I dont care

So you avoided me

But you can’t help poking me.

Then you don’t care.

But you still responded.

Could you have one post where you don’t just trip over yourself?

[Pauleta14]

So you avoided me

But you can’t help poking me.

Then you don’t care.

But you still responded.

Could you have one post where you don’t just trip over yourself?

Ok, the game ended, I got time for u my love

so...

- I avoided you as in not reacting to your posts over times in diff threads (I usually don't care/keep track on who's who but you're special Karen)

- Yep, I admited I can't help poking bck at u as I'm doing right now, I'm not proud of myself tbh. It's childish

- Yep, I really don't care. Like not the slightest. This is a message board I visit. Not a big part of my life like it seems to be for you.

[Mal]

They went out of their way this summer to keep him, asking CP to take $1M less and Barnes to waive his trade kicker so that all of the pieces of the trade would fit. Are you in the wrong multiverse or something?

They also took this dude from Sacto and immediately waive him, all those moves had future picks attached to it. They picked up option so on Branham and Wesley. Those moves were about using cap space to gain future assets, not to built winning team right now.

Champagne is good player, with great deal, but that deal wont matter when Spurs will be good again, and with all that in mind, another future asset would be more useful in the long run, than 3 mil starter on lottery team.

[ambchang]

Ok, the game ended, I got time for u my love

so...

- I avoided you as in not reacting to your posts over times in diff threads (I usually don't care/keep track on who's who but you're special Karen)

- Yep, I admited I can't help poking bck at u as I'm doing right now, I'm not proud of myself tbh. It's childish

- Yep, I really don't care. Like not the slightest. This is a message board I visit. Not a big part of my life like it seems to be for you.

So you suck at what you wanted to do :tu