Is polling and legacy media essentially dead now?

[Dirks_Finale]

Polls missed again. Many Republicans/ Trump supporters don't want to talk to anyone about their politics. They don't want their name put on some liberal hitlist.

The holy grail of pollsters actually had Iowa going to Harris :lol And remember the suppression Wisconsin poll that claimed that Biden would take that state by 17 points? They were a A rated pollster, btw :lol I didn't even care about the polls when Biden was still in and they had Trump blowing him out. They have their agenda. They skew them in whatever direction they're told to, imo. Harris was rated the worst VP in the history of the country with an approval rating in high 30's. She's always been super cringe and unlikable. Then suddenly she gets installed as nominee and is up 5 nationally on Trump :rolleyes. Most of us knew that was all smoke and mirror BS and she was never actually up that margin to begin with.

What about old media? They have an approval rating comparable to congress and everyone seems to see through their BS. I'm wondering if MSNBC fires everyone now and shifts right and Fox shifts some to the left. Or maybe they all go under.

[Winehole23]

Betteridge's rule.

Legacy media can expect to get walloped by Trump, but they'll be fine -- Trump is great for business.

[Winehole23]

Polls aren't going away, either

[Thread]

Internal polling told the D's everything they needed to know. That's why 3 consecutive months of assassination attempts were made as they hunted President Trump.

They knew.

[Thread]

Polls aren't going away, either

The "late surge" by Harris was a last ditch effort to tamp down the vote, but, he'd FINALLY freed his people to vote by mail, by early voting, et al. The votes had already been cast. He finally learned his fuckin' lesson and applied it. They knew what was comin', that's why they tried to blow his head off repeatedly.

[Dirks_Finale]

Polls aren't going away, either

I think we will see less of them. They will still be used, but mainly internally.

They missed all over the country, VA, NY, IL, swing states, pretty much everywhere :lol

And BTW, 538 has their head stuck up their rear ends. They booted Rassmussen who was on the money from day 1 of this cycle. That screwed up their aggregate.

[Thread]

I think we will see less of them. They will still be used, but mainly internally.

They missed all over the country, VA, NY, IL, swing states, pretty much everywhere :lol

And BTW, 538 has their head stuck up their rear ends. They booted Rassmussen who was on the money from day 1 of this cycle. That screwed up their aggregate.

Bend over. I'll screw up your fuckin' aggregate.

[Winehole23]

I think we will see less of them. They will still be used, but mainly internally.

They missed all over the country, VA, NY, IL, swing states, pretty much everywhere :lol

And BTW, 538 has their head stuck up their rear ends. They booted Rassmussen who was on the money from day 1 of this cycle. That screwed up their aggregate.It doesn't matter how much the polls screwed up, it sells newspapers and gives the 24/7 news media something to talk about for months on end during our (insanely long, tbh) election season.

The media needs polls to sell a horse race, so they aren't going anywhere.

[Pauleta14]

Poll are a scam by essence.

They litterally were created for that purpose, if people knew how they're made or didn't forget all the time, they'd never take them into consideration.

FYI every poll companies have a "secret formula" like Coke or Pepsi :lol

The problem is that the ones that are supposed to expose this scam NEED said scam on a daily basis

[Thread]

Poll are a scam by essence.

They litterally were created for that purpose, if people knew how they're made or didn't forget all the time, they'd never take them into consideration.

FYI every poll companies have a "secret formula" like Coke or Pepsi :lol

The problem is that the ones that are supposed to expose this scam NEED said scam on a daily basis

Amen.

[velik_m]

Poll had utility in the time of land lines when you had easy truly random sampling. Now they are basically impossible to do, you are forced to fudge the numbers to fit the models one way or the other, and as soon you are adjusting results to fit the model as opposed other way around, you failed. So, yes polls are useless now, and have been so for some time now. They do generate click still though, so they are still used for that.

[Thread]

Poll had utility in the time of land lines when you had easy truly random sampling. Now they are basically impossible to do, you are forced to fudge the numbers to fit the models one way or the other, and as soon you are adjusting results to fit the model as opposed other way around, you failed. So, yes polls are useless now, and have been so for some time now. They do generate click still though, so they are still used for that.

Mornin', fart face.

[ElNono]

Poll had utility in the time of land lines when you had easy truly random sampling. Now they are basically impossible to do, you are forced to fudge the numbers to fit the models one way or the other, and as soon you are adjusting results to fit the model as opposed other way around, you failed. So, yes polls are useless now, and have been so for some time now. They do generate click still though, so they are still used for that.

This. As I mentioned somewhere else, people would rather get aids than answer a survey these days.

[Joseph Kony]

didn't most of the polls towards the end have Trump winning? only that retard in Iowa said otherwise. the writing was on the wall tbh. most of us expected this to happen

[TSA]

didn't most of the polls towards the end have Trump winning? only that retard in Iowa said otherwise. the writing was on the wall tbh. most of us expected this to happen

:lol that retard in Iowa

https://x.com/chriswithans/status/1854545884421443658

[TSA]

https://x.com/TomBevanRCP/status/1854542559923650667

[TSA]

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1854544657570492894

https://x.com/athein1/status/1854520805906166252

:lol muh red team polls

And I was mocked for continuously pointing out that Atlas Intel was the most accurate pollster of 2020.

[TSA]

I think we will see less of them. They will still be used, but mainly internally.

They missed all over the country, VA, NY, IL, swing states, pretty much everywhere :lol

And BTW, 538 has their head stuck up their rear ends. They booted Rassmussen who was on the money from day 1 of this cycle. That screwed up their aggregate.

https://x.com/sethjlevy/status/1854510687348756782

[TSA]

https://x.com/sethjlevy/status/1854510687348756782

https://x.com/Mark_R_Mitchell/status/1854512778159005997

538 was purchased by ABC

[TSA]

https://x.com/Mark_R_Mitchell/status/1854512778159005997

538 was purchased by ABC

https://x.com/andrei__roman/status/1854296385492832503

CEO of Atlas Intel on a mission to expose 538. This should be good. Thread below.

https://x.com/andrei__roman/status/1854328028480115144

[Leetonidas]

When you're right, you're right

[TSA]

https://x.com/Mark_R_Mitchell/status/1854586679228571839

[TSA]

https://x.com/poll_fair/status/1854548395853046092

538 :lmao

[Blake]

https://x.com/Mark_R_Mitchell/status/1854586679228571839

TSA's method was to follow all the Trump loving poll watchers and retweet.

[TSA]

TSA's method was to follow all the Trump loving poll watchers and retweet.

I followed the most accurate pollsters of 2020 who were also the most accurate pollsters of 2024 as seen in my post directly above your idiotic comment.

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself?

[Blake]

I followed the most accurate pollsters of 2020 who were also the most accurate pollsters of 2024 as seen in my post directly above your idiotic comment.

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself?

Why'd you stop following Nate Silver?

You won't answer so I'll do it for you: because he started favoring Harris there at the end.

[TSA]

Why'd you stop following Nate Silver?

You won't answer so I'll do it for you: because he started favoring Harris there at the end.I already answered this is the other thread I'm making you looking stupid in. I never stopped following Nate Silver's predictions and I was very clear during the election why I would or would not post Nate Silver's predictions.

You fell victim to Dem hopium polls over and over again even after I tried to help you understand how to analyze polls and dive into the crosstabs/sample but you laughed at me and now you're in a full blown tailspin because you're so butthurt about how dumb I've made you look. :rollin

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1854544657570492894

https://x.com/athein1/status/1854520805906166252

:lol muh red team polls

And I was mocked for continuously pointing out that Atlas Intel was the most accurate pollster of 2020.

Yeah and those also suggest that Trump has room to expand in Nevada and Arizona. Unfortunately 1% wouldn't get the Senate candidate over the hump considering how far behind they're trailing.

[koriwhat]

The crying coming from the regressives has been music to my ears. So many videos coming out from adult children throwing tantrums like the mentally ill rejects they all are, no different than here on ST.

Fuck yall regressives!

[Blake]

I already answered this is the other thread I'm making you looking stupid in. I never stopped following Nate Silver's predictions and I was very clear during the election why I would or would not post Nate Silver's predictions.

You fell victim to Dem hopium polls over and over again even after I tried to help you understand how to analyze polls and dive into the crosstabs/sample but you laughed at me and now you're in a full blown tailspin because you're so butthurt about how dumb I've made you look. :rollin

The ol tsa "I've already answered somewhere else, I'd rather post two paragraphs about you than a one sentence answer" rodeo.

We'll disagree on who looks like a moron here

[TSA]

The ol tsa "I've already answered somewhere else, I'd rather post two paragraphs about you than a one sentence answer" rodeo.

We'll disagree on who looks like a moron here

I answered you in the other thread an hour ago when you asked the same question. I saw you in that thread after I answered you so look really fucking stupid pretending here that I didn't answer it.

Here it is again "Same thing I said when I was asked before. Why would I post Nate Silver predictions favoring Harris? I'm here to talk shit on Harris supporters. Same reason Dem posters didn't post Nate Silver predictions when they favored Trump."

You trying to make this about when I did or didn't post Nate Silver predictions is a pathetic attempt to deflect from how much I fucking embarrassed you any time you tried to bring up polling.

I honestly don't know why you keep wanting to discuss your complete lack of polling knowledge unless you've got some weird kink of getting publicly humiliated, which wouldn't surprise me as you decided to share with the board that your wife was getting dicked down by another man.

[TSA]

https://x.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1854884466478534799

[Blake]

I answered you in the other thread an hour ago when you asked the same question. I saw you in that thread after I answered you so look really fucking stupid pretending here that I didn't answer it.

Here it is again "Same thing I said when I was asked before. Why would I post Nate Silver predictions favoring Harris? I'm here to talk shit on Harris supporters. Same reason Dem posters didn't post Nate Silver predictions when they favored Trump."

You trying to make this about when I did or didn't post Nate Silver predictions is a pathetic attempt to deflect from how much I fucking embarrassed you any time you tried to bring up polling.

I honestly don't know why you keep wanting to discuss your complete lack of polling knowledge unless you've got some weird kink of getting publicly humiliated, which wouldn't surprise me as you decided to share with the board that your wife was getting dicked down by another man.

Oh look a text wall

[TSA]

Oh look a text wall

Why are you doing this to yourself? :lol

[Blake]

Why are you doing this to yourself? :lol

Build another text wall that nobody reads and REALLY show me

[TSA]

Build another text wall that nobody reads and REALLY show me

Why are you doing this to yourself? :lol

[SnakeBoy]

:lol that retard in Iowa

https://x.com/chriswithans/status/1854545884421443658

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[florige]

It doesn't matter how much the polls screwed up, it sells newspapers and gives the 24/7 news media something to talk about for months on end during our (insanely long, tbh) election season.

The media needs polls to sell a horse race, so they aren't going anywhere.


If the polls had Trump beating her by a landslide the entire time no one would had been engaged at all. No one would had been paying attention to all the media’s talking heads because it wouldn’t really had been a point to if the polls showed her losing . Then you have talking heads like Van Jones saying nonsense like he’s getting the same feel like Obama 08 further giving people false hope . It’s all smoke and mirrors, but in 2028 it will be the same thing all over again

[Winehole23]

If the polls had Trump beating her by a landslide the entire time no one would had been engaged at all. No one would had been paying attention to all the media’s talking heads because it wouldn’t really had been a point to if the polls showed her losing . Then you have talking heads like Van Jones saying nonsense like he’s getting the same feel like Obama 08 further giving people false hope . It’s all smoke and mirrors, but in 2028 it will be the same thing all over againDecisive victory, also a historic one, but wasn't a landslide.

Trump has ~49.9% of the popular vote so far with a 1.6% gap on Harris. This is not a particularly large popular margin for a US president, roughly top of the bottom quartile, historically.

List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin)



This is recalled by heart, but I think I heard the swing state gap was 100,000 votes this year, about 2%.



Trump's electoral margin was 44th largest out of 60 presidential elections.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_El ectoral_College_margin)

[Dirks_Finale]

Decisive victory, also a historic one, but wasn't a landslide.

Trump has ~49.9% of the popular vote so far with a 1.6% gap on Harris. This is not a particularly large popular margin for a US president, roughly top of the bottom quartile, historically.

List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin)



This is recalled by heart, but I think I heard the swing state gap was 100,000 votes this year, about 2%.



Trump's electoral margin was 44th largest out of 60 presidential elections.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_El ectoral_College_margin)

What I found to be remarkable is the overall Trump shift to the right, though.

NJ/VA look as though they could be swing states soon thanks to Trump.

TX went Trump +6 in 2020. It is now Trump +14. And that is with an abortion ban

Florida was a semi swing state. Now it is Trump +13

The GOP can only hope the Democrats roll out another flip-flopping, boring, low IQ, DEI candidate next time around. But sadly I think the left has learned their lesson. :lol

[Blake]

What I found to be remarkable is the overall Trump shift to the right, though.

NJ/VA look as though they could be swing states soon thanks to Trump.

TX went Trump +6 in 2020. It is now Trump +14. And that is with an abortion ban

Florida was a semi swing state. Now it is Trump +13

The GOP can only hope the Democrats roll out another flip-flopping, boring, low IQ, DEI candidate next time around. But sadly I think the left has learned their lesson. :lol

What lesson?

[Dirks_Finale]

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Hilarious.

The left got all giddy over that stupid azz poll :lol

All they had to do was click on it and read it and you could clearly see they found a bunch of libs and never Trump people to talk to.

Meanwhile, Atlas and Trafalgar nailed it AGAIN. I'm sure 538 will ax them calling them unreliable right wing polls :lol Their aggregate is already flawed garbage since they axed very accurate Rasmussen (had Trump up a point nationally and in all swing states the entire time). The left loves to sit in their echo chamber and let Michael Moore and Lichtman tickle their itching ears.

[Blake]

Hilarious.

The left got all giddy over that stupid azz poll :lol

All they had to do was click on it and read it and you could clearly see they found a bunch of libs and never Trump people to talk to.

Meanwhile, Atlas and Trafalgar nailed it AGAIN. I'm sure 538 will ax them calling them unreliable right wing polls :lol Their aggregate is already flawed garbage since they axed very accurate Rasmussen (had Trump up a point nationally and in all swing states the entire time). The left loves to sit in their echo chamber and let Michael Moore and Lichtman tickle their itching ears.

Thanks to her, I guess Dem voters got complacent, huh.

[TSA]

Decisive victory, also a historic one, but wasn't a landslide.

Trump has ~49.9% of the popular vote so far with a 1.6% gap on Harris. This is not a particularly large popular margin for a US president, roughly top of the bottom quartile, historically.

List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin)



This is recalled by heart, but I think I heard the swing state gap was 100,000 votes this year, about 2%.



Trump's electoral margin was 44th largest out of 60 presidential elections.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_El ectoral_College_margin)

https://x.com/RealSKeshel/status/1858519843861090742

[TSA]

Hilarious.

The left got all giddy over that stupid azz poll :lol

All they had to do was click on it and read it and you could clearly see they found a bunch of libs and never Trump people to talk to.

Meanwhile, Atlas and Trafalgar nailed it AGAIN. I'm sure 538 will ax them calling them unreliable right wing polls :lol Their aggregate is already flawed garbage since they axed very accurate Rasmussen (had Trump up a point nationally and in all swing states the entire time). The left loves to sit in their echo chamber and let Michael Moore and Lichtman tickle their itching ears.:lol Blake deployed the semen shield for Selzer



Lol Iowa Register poll is cited every damn election as a gold standard, but now it's an "outlier".

Pure cope.



No clue what she was thinking releasing such a shit poll :lol


Lol "shit poll"

Trump speak


IT'S FAKE POLL MEDIA


"Former President Donald Trump has branded top Iowa pollster Ann Selzer a "Trump-hater", and described her weekend poll, which put Vice President Kamala Harris ahead of him by 3 points, as "suppression"...

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-iowa-ann-selzer-poll-suppression-illegal-1979569


This was from June:

"Two weeks after he was convicted in a New York courtroom of multiple felony counts, former Republican president Donald Trump still holds a double-digit lead over Democratic incumbent Joe Biden in Iowa.

A new Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows Trump leads Biden 50% to 32% among likely voters. "

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/06/17/2024-election-donald-trump-vs-joe-biden-vs-robert-kennedy-jr-iowa-poll/74088665007/

I don't recall any cries of FAKE back then


Copyright 2020, Des Moines Register and Tribune Co.

Republican President Donald Trump has taken over the lead in Iowa as Democratic former Vice President Joe Biden has faded, a new Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows just days before Election Day.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2020/10/31/election-2020-iowa-poll-president-donald-trump-leads-joe-biden/6061937002/

FAAAKE


Selzer...Harris +3

Reality...Trump +13

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao


https://x.com/luoxiaxia/status/1858179817897627901

Torched her reputation and quit. :lol

[Winehole23]

https://x.com/RealSKeshel/status/1858519843861090742Semantics

What is a mandate?

It's whatever you can get away with.

Trump's program will be hobbled by corruption, incompetence and infighting, like last time.

There's also a political price to be paid for overreaching, that will surely happen too.

[Winehole23]

Y'all hate government. Y'all will govern badly, hurting everyone.

I know that's the plan, but it could backfire. Resentment is more powerful than ideology.

[koriwhat]

Y'all hate government. Y'all will govern badly, hurting everyone.

I know that's the plan, but it could backfire. Resentment is more powerful than ideology.

Can't be worse than the last four yrs. Fuck your ideology!

[ElNono]

Can't be worse than the last four yrs. Fuck your ideology!

I mean, a million dead americans is both qualitatively and quantitatively much worse than the last four years, tbh...

[Winehole23]

Can't be worse than the last four yrsoh, you sweet summer child

[Winehole23]

short of total annihilation, things can always get worse

[HemisfairArena]

short of total annihilation, things can always get worse

The last 4 years proved things can definitely get worse,,,,

[Blake]

:lol Blake deployed the semen shield for Selzer


















https://x.com/luoxiaxia/status/1858179817897627901

Torched her reputation and quit. :lol

She was a good pollster for you until she wasn't. Your M.O.

[TSA]

She was a good pollster for you until she wasn't. Your M.O.

I never once mentioned her previous polls that were positive for Trump you absolute fucking idiot. You continue to embarrass yourself. :lol

[koriwhat]

I mean, a million dead americans is both qualitatively and quantitatively much worse than the last four years, tbh...

A million you don't say? Sure...

[koriwhat]

oh, you sweet summer child

oh, you dumb mother fucker

[Blake]

I never once mentioned her previous polls that were positive for Trump you absolute fucking idiot. You continue to embarrass yourself. :lol

Right but we all know if she had posted polls favoring Trump you'd have been tweet wall storming your heart out

[ElNono]

A million you don't say? Sure...

Yeah. It was actually 1.2 million, but I was just rounding down...

[TSA]

Right but we all know if she had posted polls favoring Trump you'd have been tweet wall storming your heart out

She did post polls that were favorable to Trump and I didn't mention them once you fucking idiot :rollin

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself?

[SnakeBoy]

She's scared

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[ChumpDumper]

You want her prosecuted.

[Blake]

She's scared

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That's 2024 America. Defy Trump at your own risk

[Thread]

She's scared

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The was the last, desperate ploy to keep Trump at bay. And had been used many times in the past to tamp down voter turnout..."Ah, shit, no sense in going out and voting. It's over. Next time, by God!"

Not this time. The votes had already been mailed. The kicker, the livin' end? Had he allowed us, encouraged us to vote by mail in '20 he'd already be done now. tee, hee.

[SnakeBoy]

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[Winehole23]

what's the injury here?

[ChumpDumper]

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what's the injury here?

Hurt snacks' feelings.

[Winehole23]

Hurt snacks' feelings.seems to have hurt Trump's

[Thread]

seems to have hurt Trump's

Regardless, run their ass thru the court system. These newspapers have been in the red ink for years now. Break their fuckin' ass.

[GAustex]

Neil Cavuto is gone and that is a good thing

[ChumpDumper]

Neil Cavuto is gone and that is a good thing

Why?

What does "scrubby" mean?

[Thread]

Neil Cavuto is gone and that is a good thing

Amen.

[SnakeBoy]

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