Post Mortem Thread

[vy65]

It’s a testament to how incompetent, ineffective, and impotent the Democratic Party is that it not only lost, but did so in a historic manner, to a convicted felon who ran on a platform of autocracy, horrible economic policy, and sheer stupidity. In this thread let’s post our reasons why the DNC fumbled yet another imminently winnable election.

Mine, in no particular order:

-Retarded economic policy that unnecessarily increased taxes on the non-1% while claiming it only affected the 1%, along with retardation like taxing unrealized gains sprinkled in for good measure
-Not distancing from Biden on key issues *cough*Gaza*cough
-Having absolutely no explanation for tectonic shifts in policy like fracking
-Not pushing the old man out until 100 days from Election Day
-No open primary
-Waltz

[CosmicCowboy]

Why have your positions shifted so radically from 2020 to 2024? "My experience as Vice President but please understand MY VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED "WINK,WINK"

[florige]

It’s a testament to how incompetent, ineffective, and impotent the Democratic Party is that it not only lost, but did so in a historic manner, to a convicted felon who ran on a platform of autocracy, horrible economic policy, and sheer stupidity. In this thread let’s post our reasons why the DNC fumbled yet another imminently winnable election.

Mine, in no particular order:

-Retarded economic policy that unnecessarily increased taxes on the non-1% while claiming it only affected the 1%, along with retardation like taxing unrealized gains sprinkled in for good measure
-Not distancing from Biden on key issues *cough*Gaza*cough
-Having absolutely no explanation for tectonic shifts in policy like fracking
-Not pushing the old man out until 100 days from Election Day
-No open primary
-Waltz

Walz was a dumb pick, but at the end it didn’t really matter. Dems like always are horrible at messaging. Her message was the same at every interview and rally . Even though Trump is unhinged, he’s always changing what he’s saying and for whatever reason that resonates with the majority apparently

[TimDunkem]

This is cope. Everything listed here is objectively better than the future the MAGA Party is promising. Kamala lost because most people who would trend to her don't vote, and because a large portion of this country is fine with facism as long as their eggs are cheap and immigrants are deported.

The average Latino, Gen-Z'er, or white woman does not care about shit like fracking or taxing unrealized gains. :lol

I know it's a hard to swallow pull, but maybe this country really is just too stupid to go on.

[vy65]

This is cope. Everything listed here is objectively better than the future the MAGA Party is promising. Kamala lost because most people who would trend to her don't vote, and because a large portion of this country is fine with facism as long as their eggs are cheap and immigrants are deported.

The average Latino, Gen-Z'er, or white woman does not care about shit like fracking or taxing unrealized gains. :lol

I know it's a hard to swallow pull, but maybe this country really is just too stupid to go on.

It’s not cope. If she changed her messaging on Gaza, she easily could have won MI on that issue alone. To say nothing of the others

[SnakeBoy]

Dems need to look at the bright side. Sure, they lost the election, but they gained Dick and Liz Cheney.

[florige]

This is cope. Everything listed here is objectively better than the future the MAGA Party is promising. Kamala lost because most people who would trend to her don't vote, and because a large portion of this country is fine with facism as long as their eggs are cheap and immigrants are deported.

The average Latino, Gen-Z'er, or white woman does not care about shit like fracking or taxing unrealized gains. :lol

I know it's a hard to swallow pull, but maybe this country really is just too stupid to go on.



You know I get all the MAGA's and GOP white voters all day long. But the stupid blacks and Latino's who overwhelmingly voted for this because of groceries and gas? I mean are those guys really that stupid? I personally know a black female Trumper. She is one of those ones who continually does stupid things financially and likes to blame everyone else (Biden) when the dummy can't pay her bills or is always broke. That's why I preferred Bernie getting the nod when Biden dropped out. I had a feeling this was going to happen with Harris. At least with Bernie it was someone totally away from the current administration

[hater]

1. Genocides are not a good campaign strategy
2. Celebrating war criminals supporting you is not a good campaign strategy

Oh and we dodged a bullet imo


https://x.com/RealMacReport/status/1854175424202571881

[Thread]

This is cope. Everything listed here is objectively better than the future the MAGA Party is promising. Kamala lost because most people who would trend to her don't vote, and because a large portion of this country is fine with facism as long as their eggs are cheap and immigrants are deported.

The average Latino, Gen-Z'er, or white woman does not care about shit like fracking or taxing unrealized gains. :lol

I know it's a hard to swallow pull, but maybe this country really is just too stupid to go on.

Mornin', fart face.

[FrostKing]

USA is the most progressive nation in human history. And during times of basic social needs, the Democrats are attempting to move the nation farther Left. That is tone deaf.

But this is playing out all over Western Civilization as nations collectively move to the Right. The Green Party in DE is barely hanging on to existence. Canada will surely elect a Conservative next.

It is inevitable our Civ will rebound again. Then these Liberal priorities will resonate again. But right now is the time for common sense leadership. Bring that JOY Kool aid back when everything returns to surplus.

[ElNono]

It’s a testament to how incompetent, ineffective, and impotent the Democratic Party is that it not only lost, but did so in a historic manner, to a convicted felon who ran on a platform of autocracy, horrible economic policy, and sheer stupidity. In this thread let’s post our reasons why the DNC fumbled yet another imminently winnable election.

Mine, in no particular order:

-Retarded economic policy that unnecessarily increased taxes on the non-1% while claiming it only affected the 1%, along with retardation like taxing unrealized gains sprinkled in for good measure
-Not distancing from Biden on key issues *cough*Gaza*cough
-Having absolutely no explanation for tectonic shifts in policy like fracking
-Not pushing the old man out until 100 days from Election Day
-No open primary
-Waltz

That one is key, IMHO. They (again) built a strong economy, but they didn't sample their candidates or the messages.

They ran on "Trump bad", and that was clearly not enough.

[Thread]

That one is key, IMHO. They (again) built a strong economy, but they didn't sample their candidates or the messages.

They ran on "Trump bad", and that was clearly not enough.

...and they kept missing their shot(s).

Mornin', fart face.

[ElNono]

They do have a few positives to go on from this:

- An inept idiot running the country for (at least) the next 4 years, which will give them plenty of fodder for the midterms and 2028.
- Confirmation that Harris is unelectable and can be scratched off the list

What's more difficult to see is how dinosaurs like Joe, Pelosi, Schumer, etc stop running the party into the ground, tbh...

[TimDunkem]

Mornin', fart face.

Sup, coward. I am not hiding. You did. It's your religion.

[hater]

They do have a few positives to go on from this:

- An inept idiot running the country for (at least) the next 4 years, which will give them plenty of fodder for the midterms and 2028.
- Confirmation that Harris is unelectable and can be scratched off the list

What's more difficult to see is how dinosaurs like Joe, Pelosi, Schumer, etc stop running the party into the ground, tbh...

Obomba has been running the party.

Time to FIRE him

[TimDunkem]

It’s not cope. If she changed her messaging on Gaza, she easily could have won MI on that issue alone. To say nothing of the others

She could have won all of those morons and still lost. That's cope. America is moving right.

[TimDunkem]

You know I get all the MAGA's and GOP white voters all day long. But the stupid blacks and Latino's who overwhelmingly voted for this because of groceries and gas? I mean are those guys really that stupid? I personally know a black female Trumper. She is one of those ones who continually does stupid things financially and likes to blame everyone else (Biden) when the dummy can't pay her bills or is always broke. That's why I preferred Bernie getting the nod when Biden dropped out. I had a feeling this was going to happen with Harris. At least with Bernie it was someone totally away from the current administration

Some really are that dumb. This is why Trump has always said he loves the poorly educated.

[hater]

https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1854182542041121247

[ElNono]

...and they kept missing their shot(s).

Mornin', fart face.

Morning and congrats. I removed you from all blocking for the time being, it's only fair. Congrats.

[velik_m]

Eh, at the end i'm not sure there is candidate in the universe that can satisfy every Democrat in America. I think the lesson here is, that the only way for Democrats to win is to dump any pretense of policies and sanity and just get a candidate that will have no issue lying to everyone right into their faces. Sadly it's a post fact world of feels over reals, I don't know what the point of two Trumps running is though. USA if fucked, there is no recovering, but it will be a slow and long decline from here on out.

[ElNono]

She could have won all of those morons and still lost. That's cope. America is moving right.

I think the key issue is that the 99%, working class is simply not getting results from Dems.

They're not going to get them from Trump either, but you lose the suburbs and you're toast.

[TimDunkem]

Eh, at the end i'm not sure there is candidate in the universe that can satisfy every Democrat in America. I think the lesson here is, that the only way for Democrats to win is to dump any pretense of policies and sanity and just get a candidate that will have no issue lying to everyone right into their faces. Sadly it's a post fact world of feels over reals, I don't know what the point of two Trumps running is though. USA if fucked, there is no recovering, but it will be a slow and long decline from here on out.

Truth bomb...sadly.

[Thread]

Sup, coward. I am not hiding. You did. It's your religion.

Don't be bitter, TD. You lost. I won.

ha, ha.

[TimDunkem]

I think the key issue is that the 99%, working class is simply not getting results from Dems.

They're not going to get them from Trump either, but you lose the suburbs and you're toast.

I'd argue most of them don't even vote. 7 million votes on the table in Texas, for example.

[TimDunkem]

Don't be bitter, TD. You lost. I won.

ha, ha.

I'm not bitter. America is too stupid to go on. It is what it is.

[SnakeBoy]

The inevitable conclusion of Dem post mortem analysis

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbs5Lx1WIAEAc_b?format=jpg&name=large

[Thread]

Eh, at the end i'm not sure there is candidate in the universe that can satisfy every Democrat in America. I think the lesson here is, that the only way for Democrats to win is to dump any pretense of policies and sanity and just get a candidate that will have no issue lying to everyone right into their faces. Sadly it's a post fact world of feels over reals, I don't know what the point of two Trumps running is though. USA if fucked, there is no recovering, but it will be a slow and long decline from here on out.

...yep, and all because Trump made President in '16 and ya's couldn't accept it.

Let us proceed...

[ElNono]

I'd argue most of them don't even vote. 7 million votes on the table in Texas, for example.

That's not uncommon though. I actually expect turnout to have been above average, that's normally what happens when (R) wins.

[Thread]

Morning and congrats. I removed you from all blocking for the time being, it's only fair. Congrats.

El

[hater]

https://x.com/iAnonPatriot/status/1854188182801416234

[TimDunkem]

That's not uncommon though. I actually expect turnout to have been above average, that's normally what happens when (R) wins.

I mean, I agree overall and that Democrats definitely have to do better. If people still don't understand the stakes and excerise their right to vote, then the messaging isn't hitting and the issue is the messenger.

[vy65]

She could have won all of those morons and still lost. That's cope. America is moving right.

Or she could have won

[ElNono]

I mean, I agree overall and that Democrats definitely have to do better. If people still don't understand the stakes and excerise their right to vote, then the messaging isn't hitting and the issue is the messenger.

Ultimately I just don't think it's messaging anymore. Once you fail people and stop listening, they're going to send a message at the polls, and just vote against you. It happened to Dennison in 2020 and again last night.

The thing is, every party/person will microanalyze and draw their own conclusion on what that poll message is, and oftentimes it's just wrong.

[Thread]

Or she could have won

Stating she didn't have a problem with any of Biden's policies was the knock out punch. They ran that clip constantly the last week.

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[TimDunkem]

Ultimately I just don't think it's messaging anymore. Once you fail people and stop listening, they're going to send a message at the polls, and just vote against you. It happened to Dennison in 2020 and again last night.

The thing is, every party/person will microanalyze and draw their own conclusion on what that poll message is, and oftentimes it's just wrong.
That's certainly true. Incumbents by and large were rejected this election. The one silver lining here is that this is a huge wakeup call for Ds to focus on actually governing well. Though, to be fair, the partisan divide makes it very difficult to govern at all. See: the border bill.

We'll see if the Republicans can truly deliver...while not succumbing to the impulse to implement some of their worst policy positions..

[Spurs Homer]

Its the white supremacy, stupid!

[benefactor]

:lol thinking Mexican men were going to vote for a black woman

DD is right. Stop trying to force a woman into the presidency, unless you want to lose every cycle

[Donald Sterling.]

Keep shipping illegals to swing states, keep suppressing voter ID laws and run a candidate who's not completely clueless, preferably a man since the last two broads failed miserably.

That's the libcuck blueprint and how they get back on track.

Some sort of male spic democratic candidate would attract a wider range of people in the current demographic landscape of America.

[vy65]

There's also an unspoken arrogance that comes with not addressing the elephants in the room. The messaging could have been

-Yes, inflation has been historically high under Biden. He didn't cause it; Trump did due to his mishandling of Covid. It's now coming down, and I'll make sure it keeps coming down to help out on interest rates, which impact every families bottom line
-Yes, I said I would ban fracking. I have new data now that shows me that I was wrong. I'm not afraid to admit so because I will do whatever is best for the American people.
-Yes, I said some crazy DEI shit. Again, I have no information and admit I was wrong about that.
-Yes, we've put out some exceedingly draconian tax measures - but we need those to not bankrupt the country. Trump will add 6T to the deficit and has no plan for combatting it.
-Yes, what is happening in Gaza is deplorable. Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran are our enemies, but we need our Israeli allies to do better because what they've done so far is unconscionable.

-Now, the guy you're voting for is i) an idiot ii) a convicted felon iii) has nothing resembling any sort of plan for any sort of policy iv) is an idiot and v) wants to destroy this country.

This shouldn't have been this difficult.

[koriwhat]

It’s a testament to how incompetent, ineffective, and impotent the Democratic Party is that it not only lost, but did so in a historic manner, to a convicted felon who ran on a platform of autocracy, horrible economic policy, and sheer stupidity. In this thread let’s post our reasons why the DNC fumbled yet another imminently winnable election.

Mine, in no particular order:

-Retarded economic policy that unnecessarily increased taxes on the non-1% while claiming it only affected the 1%, along with retardation like taxing unrealized gains sprinkled in for good measure
-Not distancing from Biden on key issues *cough*Gaza*cough
-Having absolutely no explanation for tectonic shifts in policy like fracking
-Not pushing the old man out until 100 days from Election Day
-No open primary
-Waltz

Keep crying bro when you were nothing but a smug arrogant pos in days prior to anyone not in your death cult. Fuck you regressive scumbags!

[koriwhat]

Walz was a dumb pick

He was there to pick up the LGBT vote seeing how flamboyant that dude is.

[koriwhat]

This is cope. Everything listed here is objectively better than the future the MAGA Party is promising. Kamala lost because most people who would trend to her don't vote, and because a large portion of this country is fine with facism as long as their eggs are cheap and immigrants are deported.

The average Latino, Gen-Z'er, or white woman does not care about shit like fracking or taxing unrealized gains. :lol

I know it's a hard to swallow pull, but maybe this country really is just too stupid to go on.

Boo fucking hoo you dumb sob! Go fuck yourself TimDunkem! :tu

[z0sa]

Primary problem in the 2024 election for democrats was, is and always will be Kamala Harris.

One, we’re an ultra far right country who by and large believes things like healthcare and abortion are privileges for those who can afford to travel.

Thus, it’s simply a fact at this point that you can’t put out a woman candidate and expect to win or even get high turnout - Americans, including 44% of women, don’t buy it.

She didn’t even attempt to distance herself from Biden was her most fatal flaw. People here don’t care about democracy if they can’t afford to shovel food down their pieholes. The truth is, she should have lied. Even if she would have done nothing different, we are in a post-truth world, 1984 if you will. She didn’t, you see the results.

The fact she was essentially installed as the candidate post-primary with 3 months to go obviously didn’t resonate, either. Furthermore, it’s clear now that Trump’s numbers were less of an outlier in 2020 than Biden’s were the same year.

Ultimately, the majority of voters in this country DGAF about shit like democracy, the insurrection, etc if their bills go up a shit ton. The pandemic obviously caused a lot of this and no one remembers or cares, they just want to change to the other guy (guy strongly emphasized) so he can give it a shot. There’s no path forward if you’re principled or respect things like the rule of law, being honest, integrity, etc. it’s about your showmanship and ability to create memes dumbasses - which is most of America now, and their ipad children who can barely read or write - will laugh at and identify with. Kamala was never honest and couldn't hope to outdo Trump’s wild antics, therefore she lost.

Democrats need a strong man of their own who can meme it up and lie unconscionably then do far left wing things, oh and actually gets through a primary lol.

[vy65]

Keep crying bro when you were nothing but a smug arrogant pos in days prior to anyone not in your death cult. Fuck you regressive scumbags!

Cool!

[koriwhat]

But the stupid blacks and Latino's

There's your problem; the way you see certain demos of this nation. You're no different than the rest of the racist regressive whites.

[koriwhat]

Eh, at the end i'm not sure there is candidate in the universe that can satisfy every Democrat in America. I think the lesson here is, that the only way for Democrats to win is to dump any pretense of policies and sanity and just get a candidate that will have no issue lying to everyone right into their faces. Sadly it's a post fact world of feels over reals, I don't know what the point of two Trumps running is though. USA if fucked, there is no recovering, but it will be a slow and long decline from here on out.

LMFAO... The cope is real with this one!

[vy65]

And all that trans/BLM/DEI bullshit has to fucking go. It's value is substantially outweighed by how it radicalizes the other side. Cruz, as much of a piece of shit he is, ran a super effective campaign premised on "Collin Allred wants to put trans kids in your daughters lockeroom," and then proceeded to beat the ever loving shit out of Allred.

[koriwhat]

Its the white supremacy, stupid!

We truly need less of yous in this world. You're so unhinged you dumb sob. Why aren't you posting anymore PedoProject vids, loon? :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

And all that trans/BLM/DEI bullshit has to fucking go. It's value is substantially outweighed by how it radicalizes the other side. Cruz, as much of a piece of shit he is, ran a super effective campaign premised on "Collin Allred wants to put trans kids in your daughters lockeroom," and then proceeded to beat the ever loving shit out of Allred.

Allred betting it all on blaming Cruz for abortion laws in Texas was just as stupid. Cruz wasn't in state government.

[ElNono]

And all that trans/BLM/DEI bullshit has to fucking go. It's value is substantially outweighed by how it radicalizes the other side. Cruz, as much of a piece of shit he is, ran a super effective campaign premised on "Collin Allred wants to put trans kids in your daughters lockeroom," and then proceeded to beat the ever loving shit out of Allred.

That's Texas though. Not saying the woke thing is politically expedient or not, just pointing out that's a message that works there.

[z0sa]

And all that trans/BLM/DEI bullshit has to fucking go. It's value is substantially outweighed by how it radicalizes the other side. Cruz, as much of a piece of shit he is, ran a super effective campaign premised on "Collin Allred wants to put trans kids in your daughters lockeroom," and then proceeded to beat the ever loving shit out of Allred.

I have daughters, and don't agree with the trans kids in locker rooms either. It needs to be realized that even though trans people should have rights, there's plenty of people who are independent who don't like it. Why would I want my daughters to work their ass off in sports only for boys masquerading as girls to come in and overwhelm them with their biological advantage? It doesn't just radicalize republicans into voting, it turns off a huge portion of independents too, obviously. Same goes with BLM. No one was buying it was a bunch of peaceful protests, even if it there were plenty that were. It was wildin' in the name of being black plenty of times. Not saying black lives don't matter or anything, obviously, or that it's an issue that blacks don't take seriously or shouldn't, etc etc etc. It's just that it's extremist behavior that can't be reconciled with centrists. It is what it is, let's go ahead and take the political correct mask off and talk about it.

To add on the trans thing, as I feel a lot more personally affected by it (having athletic kids), trans girls who are biological boys/men should do the honorable thing, and not compete. I've said it for years. That doesn't mean they should be denied their gender expression, in my view, or even pronouns even though I internally consider it somewhat bullshit. I respect other people. Demanding you play in girls sports with the bio advantage is the opposite of respect.

[ElNono]

I have daughters, and don't agree with the trans kids in locker rooms either. It needs to be realized that even though trans people should have rights, there's plenty of people who are independent who don't like it. Why would I want my daughters to work their ass off in sports only for boys masquerading as girls to come in and overwhelm them with their biological advantage? It doesn't just radicalize republicans into voting, it turns off a huge portion of independents too, obviously. Same goes with BLM. No one was buying it was a bunch of peaceful protests, even if it there were plenty that were. It was wildin' in the name of being black plenty of times. Not saying black lives don't matter or anything, obviously, or that it's an issue that blacks don't take seriously or shouldn't, etc etc etc. It's just that it's extremist behavior that can't be reconciled with centrists. It is what it is, let's go ahead and take the political correct mask off and talk about it.

To add on the trans thing, as I feel a lot more personally affected by it (having athletic kids), trans girls who are biological boys/men should do the honorable thing, and not compete. I've said it for years. That doesn't mean they should be denied their gender expression, in my view, or even pronouns even though I internally consider it somewhat bullshit. I respect other people. Demanding you play in girls sports with the bio advantage is the opposite of respect.

I mean, I think these types of issues are more on the margins, and focusing on them is just not really what moves the needle. Dems could simply stop talking about it.

But this is the problem when you don't actually test your message and there's a disconnect between what you think people want/need and what they actually want/need.

[koriwhat]

we’re an ultra far right country

Far from it. You've just been programmed to think as such.

Same programming having you claim giving power back to the states, where it rightfully belongs, and not in the hands of bigFed is wrong.

Come on z0sa... SMH


The fact she was essentially installed as the candidate

You could just be truthful and drop the "essentially" already. Commies will do what commies do.


Ultimately, the majority of voters in this country DGAF about shit like democracy

The entirety of the Democratic Party, tbh. Do you never self-reflect and look inside? You keep talking about democracy but overlook the destruction of such by installing a candidate that never got a vote to run in the first place. How out of touch are you regressives?

"Our Democracy" is the cry of communists who don't believe in democracy, let alone our Republic. They believe in tearing it all down and installing their own form of democracy, whatever that would look like, just like they installed Kamala. Give me a damn break already with this nonsense!


Democrats need a strong man of their own

They'll never find one in that party because unicorns don't exist.


And all that trans/BLM/DEI bullshit has to fucking go.

That's not very inclusive and tolerant of you...

[spurraider21]

1) i think the most important thing was not having a primary

if biden was going to step down, he should have done so a long time ago. kamala was not popular during the 2020 primary, and i dont think she would have won it this time around. it was the dems' chance to try to avoid the stink of inflation (even if attributing most of the inflation to biden is technically incorrect, thats not how it will resonate with voters) by distancing themselves somewhat from the biden admin.

2) the biden admin also did a piss poor job of defending itself. should have been way more press conferences bragging about every accomplishment. trump would go on every day and brag about stock market numbers. almost every day. instead of vaguely gesturing at the infrastructure bill, get out there and do press conference after press conference in front of shovels going into the ground and men in construction helmets/vests.

yes, the actual economic indicators and data were favorable to the biden admin, but you need to hammer that home more visually than just expecting americans to go look at charts and feel convinced.

3) the other thing is all these trump cabinet members, chiefs of staff, and generals who werent supporting him should have been more vocal. pence should have been courted to explain why trump was a danger. this is different from getting people like Liz Cheney as an appeal to dem voters. you needed people to say "i saw trump first hand on a daily basis and the man is a legitimate threat", needed them to say it loud, and often. people had to point to quotes in books instead. its just not effective messaging in today's day and age

4) otherwise i dont know how you can really compete in an environment where "theyre eating our dogs and cats" is a more compelling message than "i want to bring the cost of home ownership down"

bonus 5) lol at all the people online who have their own version of "if kamala more enthusiastically supported these policies that i personally support, she would have won". policy did not decide this election. nobody is going to enjoy 200% tariffs or whatever

[Spurminator]

The lesson here is if you're about to enter a period of inflation and economic turmoil because of the actions of the sitting president, and there's nothing you can do to immediately and visibly improve the economy, punt until the next election and let them answer to the low information voters instead.

Also don't run a black man for senator in Texas. Democrats are the Dallas Cowboys of political parties.

[vy65]

I mean, I think these types of issues are more on the margins, and focusing on them is just not really what moves the needle. Dems could simply stop talking about it.

But this is the problem when you don't actually test your message and there's a disconnect between what you think people want/need and what they actually want/need.

https://media.tenor.com/1owE2HYmzUQAAAAM/bingo-tarantino.gif

[vy65]

That's not very inclusive and tolerant of you...

Who said I was Joey?

[z0sa]

Far from it. You've just been programmed to think as such.

Same programming having you claim giving power back to the states, where it rightfully belongs, and not in the hands of bigFed is wrong.

Come on z0sa... SMH

Brother, it's just a matter of looking at all countries as a whole, not an indictment of your views.

If you look at all of these other countries and put the USA in among them, our culture is far right. It's not an indictment, again. It's just how the world nowadays is. Every other major country has shit like free tuition, free healthcare at the point of contact, extremely restrictive gun control laws. If you're literally the opposite of every other major country, that can't be a centrist position. It's just looking at data and interpreting it.




You could just be truthful and drop the "essentially" already. Commies will do what commies do.

Eh, it's splitting hairs to want to knock off essentially. There was a convention and the delegates had a chance to cast votes for whomever they liked, so it's not like one person installed her. However, it's fair to say she essentially was installed as the group of delegates opted to vote in a very decided way. Again, I think you're just splitting hairs for no reason, dude. The admission is there in the form I believe, take it or leave it man.


The entirety of the Democratic Party, tbh. Do you never self-reflect and look inside? You keep talking about democracy but overlook the destruction of such by installing a candidate that never got a vote to run in the first place. How out of touch are you regressives?

I called it as much, bro. Trump did incite an insurrection, Trump did sue 60+ times and lost every one about the election being stolen. He wanted it bad, lied about it a shit ton, never happened. You got to win now and I see you don't think any voter fraud happened, clearly. What changed? If Democrats could fix elections, why didn't they fix it for her again? There's no good answer for that. In fact, Trump's numbers look exactly the same, maybe a little less. It's clear Harris was just a worse candidate, while Biden was considered better. The fraud, the cheating, the lies, it didn't matter in the end so what does it matter to you, now.

[koriwhat]

I have daughters, and don't agree with the trans kids in locker rooms either. It needs to be realized that even though trans people should have rights, there's plenty of people who are independent who don't like it. Why would I want my daughters to work their ass off in sports only for boys masquerading as girls to come in and overwhelm them with their biological advantage? It doesn't just radicalize republicans into voting, it turns off a huge portion of independents too, obviously. Same goes with BLM. No one was buying it was a bunch of peaceful protests, even if it there were plenty that were. It was wildin' in the name of being black plenty of times. Not saying black lives don't matter or anything, obviously, or that it's an issue that blacks don't take seriously or shouldn't, etc etc etc. It's just that it's extremist behavior that can't be reconciled with centrists. It is what it is, let's go ahead and take the political correct mask off and talk about it.

To add on the trans thing, as I feel a lot more personally affected by it (having athletic kids), trans girls who are biological boys/men should do the honorable thing, and not compete. I've said it for years. That doesn't mean they should be denied their gender expression, in my view, or even pronouns even though I internally consider it somewhat bullshit. I respect other people. Demanding you play in girls sports with the bio advantage is the opposite of respect.

Where was this line of thinking prior to Election Night?

This doesn't pertain to you personally z0sa, but calling me and others, not just on this board, far right, misogynists, racists, homophobes, transphobes, etc is what cost yall the election. Yall are out of touch and anyone not in the death cult is your enemy. I see none of yall regressives as enemies. However, I am disappointed in how far yall are willing to move the Overton window with shit policy, or none to speak of, cultural degradation, no common sense or logic, hate masqueraded as love and tolerance, and much much more.

Keep calling those you disagree with deplorable and Trumpers. Watch how many more of us old school Liberals walk the fuck away and vote against the death cult.

[SnakeBoy]

I think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective

It won't last :lol

[Tyronn Lue]

Real simple. Harris was the wrong candidate. She did not excite the base. There's only so far "not Trump" will get you.

[koriwhat]

You got to win now and I see you don't think any voter fraud happened, clearly. What changed?

Who said I thought there was no fraud? I saw plenty of articles in the days leading up to yesterday talking about machine malfunctions, burned up ballot boxes, thrown away ballots, intimidation at the polls, etc...

I never said anything about fraud to begin with.

[hater]

I think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective

It won't last :lol

Yeah agree

They are somewhere at stages of shock and denial


The rage stage is incoming :lmao

[spurraider21]

I think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective

It won't last :lol
we should start several threads about voter fraud and tick tock

[spurraider21]

Where was this line of thinking prior to Election Night?

This doesn't pertain to you personally z0sa, but calling me and others, not just on this board, far right, misogynists, racists, homophobes, transphobes, etc is what cost yall the election. Yall are out of touch and anyone not in the death cult is your enemy. I see none of yall regressives as enemies. However, I am disappointed in how far yall are willing to move the Overton window with shit policy, or none to speak of, cultural degradation, no common sense or logic, hate masqueraded as love and tolerance, and much much more.

Keep calling those you disagree with deplorable and Trumpers. Watch how many more of us old school Liberals walk the fuck away and vote against the death cult.
:lol the blm stuff happened before the 2020 election. theres no reason to discuss it relating to the 2024 election

[ElNono]

we should start several threads about voter fraud and tick tock

bruh, are you storming the capitol?

[florige]

There's your problem; the way you see certain demos of this nation. You're no different than the rest of the racist regressive whites.


I’m not white bro, Black

[z0sa]

Where was this line of thinking prior to Election Night?

This doesn't pertain to you personally z0sa, but calling me and others, not just on this board, far right, misogynists, racists, homophobes, transphobes, etc is what cost yall the election. Yall are out of touch and anyone not in the death cult is your enemy. I see none of yall regressives as enemies. However, I am disappointed in how far yall are willing to move the Overton window with shit policy, or none to speak of, cultural degradation, no common sense or logic, hate masqueraded as love and tolerance, and much much more.

Keep calling those you disagree with deplorable and Trumpers. Watch how many more of us old school Liberals walk the fuck away and vote against the death cult.

I agree that calling people garbage, deplorables etc just turns them off, because both parties are big tents and there's no way independents subscribe to everyone of your beliefs, especially on the most divisive issues like trans and LGBT stuff. It's clear that this country as a whole is a lot more on the conservative end of the spectrum about such things, including Hispanic and Black voters.

I made concessions, hard ones, to lean left in this election because I think trans rights is an issue that is fringe and affects very few people, while saying things (even hyperbolically) like Liz Cheney should be put in front of a firing squad is not just excessive, but far more dangerous. Far more dangerous than trans rights, that is. In reality, that's a principle that simply didn't take with most of the electorate. I'm changing, and quickly, because clearly such principles aren't important anymore. Identity politics are waning, and people here in the USA would rather lean into a strong man who has answers, however crazy they may sound to the left. That's this country now and going forward for the foreseeable future. Time to stop acting holier than thou and play the game is a fact - Democrats are staring straight down that barrel whether they want to or not.

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah agree

They are somewhere at stages of shock and denial


The rage stage is incoming :lmao

I'm hoping Clarence and Alito announce they're retiring. That'll really send 'em over the edge :lmao

[Tyronn Lue]

bruh, are you storming the capitol?
Stop the Steal

[koriwhat]

:lol the blm stuff happened before the 2020 election. theres no reason to discuss it relating to the 2024 election

I was simply asking, even then, where's the logic/common sense? Doesn't have to pertain to Election 2024. Same goes for most things bought hook, line, and sinker by the regressive left.

[SnakeBoy]

we should start several threads about voter fraud and tick tock

Nah, bring back the pussy hat marches

[florige]

The lesson here is if you're about to enter a period of inflation and economic turmoil because of the actions of the sitting president, and there's nothing you can do to immediately and visibly improve the economy, punt until the next election and let them answer to the low information voters instead.

Also don't run a black man for senator in Texas. Democrats are the Dallas Cowboys of political parties.


This! Biden winning was probably the worst thing that could have happened as stupid as that sounds. But here again the Dems are so terrible at messaging. Her messaging sucked bad

[vy65]

I agree that calling people garbage, deplorables etc just turns them off, because both parties are big tents and there's no way independents subscribe to everyone of your beliefs, especially on the most divisive issues like trans and LGBT stuff. It's clear that this country as a whole is a lot more on the conservative end of the spectrum about such things, including Hispanic and Black voters.

I made concessions, hard ones, to lean left in this election because I think trans rights is an issue that is fringe and affects very few people, while saying things (even hyperbolically) like Liz Cheney should be put in front of a firing squad is not just excessive, but far more dangerous. Far more dangerous than trans rights, that is. In reality, that's a principle that simply didn't take with most of the electorate. I'm changing, and quickly, because clearly such principles aren't important anymore. Identity politics are waning, and people here in the USA would rather lean into a strong man who has answers, however crazy they may sound to the left. That's this country now and going forward for the foreseeable future. Time to stop acting holier than thou and play the game is a fact - Democrats are staring straight down that barrel whether they want to or not.

You saw glimmers of it during parts of Harris's campaign until it kind of fell apart. Appealing to union workers; offering financial assistance for home buyers; lowering taxes on the lower brackets, etc... That focus should be the backbone of a campaign: concrete policies that appeal to voters financial interests. Yes, discussing policy is going to go over the heads of mouthbreathers in Alabama. But having cogent policies that can tangibly improve voters' financial conditions should win out the rantings of :cry inflation :cry coming from a convicted felon. But thinking more about it, Harris just was a horrible pick during an election where there was a sharp shift to the right. Occam's razor and all that.

[koriwhat]

coming from a convicted felon.

I can't wait to see who else becomes a convicted felon 2025 on.... :tu

Time to weed out the communists from within our BORDERS!

[SnakeBoy]

This! Biden winning was probably the worst thing that could have happened as stupid as that sounds. But here again the Dems are so terrible at messaging. Her messaging sucked bad

Bro, I was saying in 2020 you would be better off losing this one. Progressives had some momentum within the party, and you could have laid all the post pandemic problems off on Trump.

Ya'll can keep this coping introspection up if you want but I'll tell you what's going to happen. The Democratic party is going to move to the right again :lol

[Leetonidas]

I think its nice libs are trying to cope this time by being calm and introspective

It won't last :lol

I mean what are we supposed to do :lol y'all won, you're taking a victory lap. All we can do is sit here and eat shit tbh.

[SnakeBoy]

I mean what are we supposed to do :lol y'all won, you're taking a victory lap. All we can do is sit here and eat shit tbh.

I don't know but

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/022/747/download.jpg

This is boring :lol

[z0sa]

I mean, I think these types of issues are more on the margins, and focusing on them is just not really what moves the needle. Dems could simply stop talking about it.

But this is the problem when you don't actually test your message and there's a disconnect between what you think people want/need and what they actually want/need.

Spot on tbh. It moves the needle for Republicans in a big way as ammo, while Democrats are more like, "well ok why not, who cares, it doesn't affect me, it's a fringe issue." It doesn't drive democrats to the booth like it does Republicans, even if they're in principle for it. Hell, even abortion rights and status didn't drive women to the polls in strong favor of Harris. There's a huge disconnect here, as you say, between what will drive Democrats to the booth and what Democrats think will do so.

In retrospect, it's clear that not nearly enough Democrats believe all of the fascist/anti-women/end of our democracy stuff, or at least, feel strongly enough about it to turn out. They simply didn't, and don't. It has, is and continues to be about the wallet for 9 out of 10 Americans, messages about freedom, rights and/or democracy be damned. Facts of life.

[koriwhat]

All we can do is sit here and eat shit tbh.

Choke on it!

[Leetonidas]

Choke on it!

:tu

[koriwhat]

How can yall seriously keep harping on "democracy" when you voted for an installed candidate with nothing of value to speak of?

[koriwhat]

Welcome back Leet... You going to pretend I'm still on ignore though? I can be cordial if you can, bud. :tu

[z0sa]

You saw glimmers of it during parts of Harris's campaign until it kind of fell apart. Appealing to union workers; offering financial assistance for home buyers; lowering taxes on the lower brackets, etc... That focus should be the backbone of a campaign: concrete policies that appeal to voters financial interests. Yes, discussing policy is going to go over the heads of mouthbreathers in Alabama. But having cogent policies that can tangibly improve voters' financial conditions should win out the rantings of :cry inflation :cry coming from a convicted felon. But thinking more about it, Harris just was a horrible pick during an election where there was a sharp shift to the right. Occam's razor and all that.

Yeah, I think it's as simple as Harris being a primary face of the current administration who is saddled with all of the problems the post-pandemic period includes. They should have made this decision in 2022 at the latest and forced Biden out then rather than waiting way beyond the primaries, when someone much more distal to the democratic machine in DC could have made in-roads with Americans on the fence. No one was buying Harris is going to change anything (I said as much recently in a thread - that she would keep things relatively the same), which is what the electorate wanted to hear (and actually believe). They would have been willing to hear it from someone outside the administration or on its fringes, but not from Harris.

DNC has obviously been a major part of the problem since 2016. The super delegates, the billionaire donors calling the shots behind the scenes, etc are doing them no favors. I don't see that changing any time soon, though.

[Leetonidas]

Welcome back Leet... You going to pretend I'm still on ignore though? I can be cordial if you can, bud. :tu

You were but tbh I don't see the point since I still see your posts when someone quotes you anyway :lol I think it's time to move on from all the past bullshit. When you're not slinging shit you're actually a pretty normal guy. And you're probably right about a lot of shit based on how this election turned out.

Olive branch is officially extended :tu

[koriwhat]

DNC has obviously been a major part of the problem since 2016. The super delegates, the billionaire donors calling the shots behind the scenes, etc are doing them no favors. I don't see that changing any time soon, though.

:tu

[spurraider21]

I mean what are we supposed to do :lol y'all won, you're taking a victory lap. All we can do is sit here and eat shit tbh.
i dno why could cry fraud for a few months and try to overturn the election and then storm the capital

[spurraider21]

How can yall seriously keep harping on "democracy" when you voted for an installed candidate with nothing of value to speak of?
you answered your own question

[SnakeBoy]

you answered your own question

Pootin is democratically elected by that logic

[SnakeBoy]

1854180309325254743

[Leetonidas]

i dno why could cry fraud for a few months and try to overturn the election and then storm the capital

You son of a bitch, I'm in

[koriwhat]

you answered your own question

Let's be real for a second SR. What's alluded to when the establishment, ngo's, the MSM, et al. keep claiming "our democracy"? Do some deep thinking and research bro. Same has been said by Mao and others. We are a damn Republic where Democracy is a pillar of said Republic but by no means a true Democracy where the elites own everything and play us peasants off against each other or worse, line us up against a wall.

You probably think I'm insane, which is fine by me, but you can't keep claiming Democracy is lost when you quite literally ushered in an installed candidate with no primary to speak of. Give me a break!

[koriwhat]

You son of a bitch, I'm in

Tell me where to ship your Amazon ordered Blue-Anon Shaman Halloween outfit to, bud. :tu:lol

[florige]

Bro, I was saying in 2020 you would be better off losing this one. Progressives had some momentum within the party, and you could have laid all the post pandemic problems off on Trump.

Ya'll can keep this coping introspection up if you want but I'll tell you what's going to happen. The Democratic party is going to move to the right again :lol

Dude I was getting so tired of them trotting all these Dems out there with the same rhetoric. It’s like they were on script. Even Obama who was supposed to be the top surrogate. Every one of Harris’s speeches were almost exactly the same verbatim. To the average Joe you just come across as a normal politician. Trump talks a bunch of crap but he talks like a normal person which how bad he destroyed Harris and Clinton obviously works . Shoot at tbis point I wish they had run Bernie for all of that

[baseline bum]

They do have a few positives to go on from this:

- An inept idiot running the country for (at least) the next 4 years, which will give them plenty of fodder for the midterms and 2028.
- Confirmation that Harris is unelectable and can be scratched off the list

What's more difficult to see is how dinosaurs like Joe, Pelosi, Schumer, etc stop running the party into the ground, tbh...

The thought that the Fourth Reich will ever allow a fair election is hilarious.

[baseline bum]

Also the 2020 primaries were already proof Harris was unelectable.

[spurraider21]

Let's be real for a second SR. What's alluded to when the establishment, ngo's, the MSM, et al. keep claiming "our democracy"? Do some deep thinking and research bro. Same has been said by Mao and others. We are a damn Republic where Democracy is a pillar of said Republic but by no means a true Democracy where the elites own everything and play us peasants off against each other or worse, line us up against a wall.

You probably think I'm insane, which is fine by me, but you can't keep claiming Democracy is lost when you quite literally ushered in an installed candidate with no primary to speak of. Give me a break!
this republic/democracy thing has always frustrated me democracy is a distribution of power whose ultimate source is "the people." we vote, we decide how that power is delegated. a republic is a form of government where representatives of said people actually vote for laws, policies, etc. they are not mutually exclusive concepts... ie are we a democracy or a republic. we are both!

no, i wasnt a fan of kamala being declared the nominee. there is a primary process. but incumbents typically go unopposed or at least meaningfully unopposed. technically bill weld primaried against the incumbent trump in 2020 and he won 1 delegate. this time dean phillips primaried against biden and won 4 delegates.

the mistake, as i said at the top of this thread, was that biden withdrew very late in the process which blew the odds of a true open primary taking place which would have been preferable. its hardly an attack on democracy for the incumbent to decide he doesnt want to run anymore.

there is an attack on democracy when peoples votes are disregarded. there was a deliberate and overt attempt to do just that following the 2020 election

all the other stuff you mentioned about elites and whatnot is a separate issue from whether or not we have a democratic process

[z0sa]

If Democrats had any spine, though, they wouldn't move to the right at all again but even further left. They'd play a long game of being destroyed by Republicans for an election cycle or few until the average Joe is willing to roll the dice on someone else because Republicans, like every party, become less popular. 2036 I'd say, if Democrats are lucky. Once they have the mandate Republicans do right now, they undo whatever they consider crazy and then establish all of their own agenda prerogatives. Moving as one party instead of a rag tag group of dumbasses who can't agree on shit like Gaza or being overly concerned about appearances and celebrities would be required. Rinse and repeat.

They won't, though. They're just, if not more, beholden to their corporate donors who will never allow them to move left far enough to accomplish anything they talk about. They're dead in the water at this point, because they're just a less right wing party than Republicans on the grand scale.

[baseline bum]

That's certainly true. Incumbents by and large were rejected this election. The one silver lining here is that this is a huge wakeup call for Ds to focus on actually governing well. Though, to be fair, the partisan divide makes it very difficult to govern at all. See: the border bill.

We'll see if the Republicans can truly deliver...while not succumbing to the impulse to implement some of their worst policy positions..

LOL still thinking there will be elections again. We lost; it's over; we have a king now.

[florige]

Also the 2020 primaries were already proof Harris was unelectable.

They tried to spin in that she was going to be the female Obama. That blew up in their face bad

[koriwhat]

They tried to spin in that she was going to be the female Obama. That blew up in their face bad

Both commies, so...

[SnakeBoy]

If Democrats had any spine, though, they wouldn't move to the right at all again but even further left. They'd play a long game of being destroyed by Republicans for an election cycle or few until the average Joe is willing to roll the dice on someone else because Republicans, like every party, become less popular. 2036 I'd say, if Democrats are lucky. Once they have the mandate Republicans do right now, they undo whatever they consider crazy and then establish all of their own agenda prerogatives. Moving as one party instead of a rag tag group of dumbasses who can't agree on shit like Gaza or being overly concerned about appearances and celebrities would be required. Rinse and repeat.

They won't, though. They're just, if not more, beholden to their corporate donors who will never allow them to move left far enough to accomplish anything they talk about. They're dead in the water at this point, because they're just a less right wing party than Republicans on the grand scale.

They're not going to move left until lib voters are willing to lose rather than settle for the middle of the road candidate. It's what Trumpsters did.

[Spurminator]

Obviously Latino voters are way less concerned about themselves and their families getting wrapped up in mass deportations than I am, so I hope I'm the wrong one and we're able to very humanely and with 100% accuracy send millions of undocumented immigrants off to wherever.

Similarly, black males seem less concerned about a Trump police state than I am so maybe I'm wrong about that too.

God knows how many women who've previously had abortions of their own just voted against body autonomy for other women.

I hope poor people get the economic recovery they believe they voted for.

I'm kind of out of fucks at this point. Empathy is pretty tiring. Time to relax and take advantage of my white male privilege for a while, y'all can have politics in the meantime.

[z0sa]

They're not going to move left until lib voters are willing to lose rather than settle for the middle of the road candidate. It's what Trumpsters did.

Trump has the advantage of being independently wealthy and thus has a free pass even when Musk and co donate billions his way. He's above the swamp in people's hearts and minds, even if the reality is at least sometimes different.

Democrats need someone exactly like this. It's ancient Rome all over again. Only the wealthy oligarchs will have any chance at convincing people they're not part of the swamp. Eventually, someone's going to take total control and elections will be local and state level (with plenty of corruption) and the federal branch will be more or less a dictatorship. That's how I see it, any way. Not because of any particular person today, but because the overall situation tracks well with what's already happened in history with a historically large and powerful republic.

[z0sa]

Obviously Latino voters are way less concerned about themselves and their families getting wrapped up in mass deportations than I am, so I hope I'm the wrong one and we're able to very humanely and with 100% accuracy send millions of undocumented immigrants off to wherever.

Similarly, black males seem less concerned about a Trump police state than I am so maybe I'm wrong about that too.

God knows how many women who've previously had abortions of their own just voted against body autonomy for other women.

I hope poor people get the economic recovery they believe they voted for.

I'm kind of out of fucks at this point. Empathy is pretty tiring. Time to relax and take advantage of my white male privilege for a while, y'all can have politics in the meantime.

Yup. Problem is, my wife and kids are Latin, so even though I present white and get a free pass, there's plenty of people who won't. They have a white last name so they're probably immune from a lot of the automation that will occur with such a system, though, so I guess they have that in their favor.

It is what it is at this point. Americans, including those minorities who will be most affected like you said, want this. I'll just have to get with the program and not give a fuck, either, to the extent that I can and apparently, should.

[spurraider21]

Yup. Problem is, my wife and kids are Latin, so even though I present white and get a free pass, there's plenty of people who won't. They have a white last name so they're probably immune from a lot of the automation that will occur with such a system, though, so I guess they have that in their favor.

It is what it is at this point. Americans, including those minorities who will be most affected like you said, want this. I'll just have to get with the program and not give a fuck, either, to the extent that I can and apparently, should.
thats your fault for being a race traitor tbh

[baseline bum]

They're not going to move left until lib voters are willing to lose rather than settle for the middle of the road candidate. It's what Trumpsters did.

On what planet was Romney and his let's get rid of Medicare anything middle of the road?

[Robz4000]

Yup. Problem is, my wife and kids are Latin, so even though I present white and get a free pass, there's plenty of people who won't. They have a white last name so they're probably immune from a lot of the automation that will occur with such a system, though, so I guess they have that in their favor.

It is what it is at this point. Americans, including those minorities who will be most affected like you said, want this. I'll just have to get with the program and not give a fuck, either, to the extent that I can and apparently, should.

Pretty much this for me.

[baseline bum]

They tried to spin in that she was going to be the female Obama. That blew up in their face bad

Obama was weak too. He only won in 2012 because Romney ran on hey let's get rid of Medicare! Fuck all of you 54 and under! Was literally the biggest self-own in politics I had seen until the DNC decided to run someone who couldn't win a single primary in the god damn general.

[SnakeBoy]

Obviously Latino voters are way less concerned about themselves and their families getting wrapped up in mass deportations than I am, so I hope I'm the wrong one and we're able to very humanely and with 100% accuracy send millions of undocumented immigrants off to wherever.

Similarly, black males seem less concerned about a Trump police state than I am so maybe I'm wrong about that too.

God knows how many women who've previously had abortions of their own just voted against body autonomy for other women.

I hope poor people get the economic recovery they believe they voted for.

I'm kind of out of fucks at this point. Empathy is pretty tiring. Time to relax and take advantage of my white male privilege for a while, y'all can have politics in the meantime.

:tu

What's the point of white male privilege if you don't relax and take advantage of it

[baseline bum]

:tu

What's the point of white male privilege if you don't relax and take advantage of it

Almost inspiring to go buy a red hat and stop giving a shit about anything

[vy65]

LOL still thinking there will be elections again. We lost; it's over; we have a king now.

Surely you don't actually believe this.

[koriwhat]

I hope I'm the wrong one and we're able to very humanely and with 100% accuracy send millions of undocumented immigrants off to wherever.

Say it with your chest; ILLEGAL ALIENS!


Yup. Problem is, my wife and kids are Latin, so even though I present white and get a free pass, there's plenty of people who won't.

You act like your wife and kid came over illegally. Weird...

[koriwhat]

Almost inspiring to go buy a red hat and stop giving a shit about anything

You already own a hat.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zvgAAOSwLfpfPVun/s-l400.jpg

[koriwhat]

Surely you don't actually believe this.

It's hyperbole to the extreme unfortunately. I can certainly agree with you even though we never agree. People are crazy to think otherwise. Case in point, BaselineBum and his dictator/king talk.

[spurraider21]

It's hyperbole to the extreme unfortunately. I can certainly agree with you even though we never agree. People are crazy to think otherwise. Case in point, BaselineBum and his dictator/king talk.
but it wasnt hyperbole to suggest kamala is a threat to democracy?

[Leetonidas]

Say it with your chest; ILLEGAL ALIENS!



You act like your wife and kid came over illegally. Weird...

I think the issue is not necessarily that we think Trump is gonna deport our legal relatives/friends/etc. but his rhetoric fans the flames of discrimination towards those groups and emboldens racists to do shit they otherwise may not have. I don't think every trump supporter is a racist fascist. But I do believe some of them are and some of them will be emboldened by his victory.

I'm a straight white man so like Spurminator said I can exercise my privilege. But my mom is Mexican. Half my family is Mexican. My grandma doesn't even speak English. God forbid some crusty loser decides he doesn't like hearing an old lady speaking Spanish at the grocery store and decides to do something about it. That's the shit that concerns me. I don't think it's fair to just brush those feelings aside tbh

[z0sa]

You act like your wife and kid came over illegally. Weird...

Great example of the hyperbole that's been activated. It's straight up fascist, bro, when you could theoretically accuse someone of being a wetback and possibly get them on a list to be deported with minimal government oversight, which is exactly what Trump wants. No question. You can deny it but it's a fact. I understand the feeling it won't you affect you/yours, at least in part as a fellow white dude. But I do have close family who could be affected by such craziness, despite being 4th/5th generation Americans bro. It's a slippery slope but hey, it's what Americans, including Latinos, want. Brown people make up the majority of illegals in this country and so a reckoning is in order. I'm dealing with it, and so will everyone who doesn't want to be put on a list.

[ElNono]

The thought that the Fourth Reich will ever allow a fair election is hilarious.

That's why I said at least 4 years :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Great example of the hyperbole that's been activated. It's straight up fascist, bro, when you could theoretically accuse someone of being a wetback and possibly get them on a list to be deported with minimal government oversight, which is exactly what Trump wants. No question. You can deny it but it's a fact. I understand the feeling it won't you affect you/yours, at least in part as a fellow white dude. But I do have close family who could be affected by such craziness, despite being 4th/5th generation Americans bro. It's a slippery slope but hey, it's what Americans, including Latinos, want. Brown people make up the majority of illegals in this country and so a reckoning is in order. I'm dealing with it, and so will everyone who doesn't want to be put on a list.

Oh you're going on the list. Not the deportation list, white boys like you need the reeducation camp.

[z0sa]

Oh you're going on the list. Not the deportation list, white boys like you need the reeducation camp.

Nah, I'm on the 'summarily shot' list.

[ElNono]

Nah, I'm on the 'summarily shot' list.

Mexico will pay for the bullet

[koriwhat]

but it wasnt hyperbole to suggest kamala is a threat to democracy?

She and those behind the scenes controlling her, Biden, and co are a threat to our Republic and we need to eradicate them and their ideology. Sorry but not sorry. They are a true threat to your way of life, mine, and every American here who sees and can't see the forest from the trees.


I think the issue is not necessarily that we think Trump is gonna deport our legal relatives/friends/etc. but his rhetoric fans the flames of discrimination towards those groups and emboldens racists to do shit they otherwise may not have. I don't think every trump supporter is a racist fascist. But I do believe some of them are and some of them will be emboldened by his victory.

It's either we believe we have a country, borders are a thing, or we don't. It's not about emboldening racists to do shit they otherwise may not have.

There's going to be racists for as long as humanity is a thing on this Earth, unfortunately. How we deal with such nonsense is pivotal. Growing up in the 90's we made fun of those racists, we joked between races, and no one was easily offended. We need to get back to those days and unite once again.


I'm a straight white man so like Spurminator said I can exercise my privilege. But my mom is Mexican. Half my family is Mexican. My grandma doesn't even speak English. God forbid some crusty loser decides he doesn't like hearing an old lady speaking Spanish at the grocery store and decides to do something about it. That's the shit that concerns me. I don't think it's fair to just brush those feelings aside tbh

Stop putting yourself in a box and labeling yourself this or that for one. Second, I hear, read, your concerns and they'll valid no doubt. You handle the nonsense as it comes but speculating that your grandmother is going to be hunted down is just going to cause you to go mental. It's def concerning and I saw similar when 9/11 happened and my best friend was being accused endlessly of being a terrorist when he's merely a nerdy Jew, from south Texas, with a beard.

There's no easy answers, bud. We just can't keep going on letting illegals step over our borders and giving them handouts while we neglect our own citizens and their struggle. Same goes for foreign aid. We have to reestablish what we want to be as a whole, and that means left and right, not fringe extremes.

I hope the best for you and your family Leet. Try to keep your head up and protect your family at all costs.

[ElNono]

I mean, if you think Dems have it bad, Europe is probably shitting bricks right now :lol

[vy65]

Great example of the hyperbole that's been activated. It's straight up fascist, bro, when you could theoretically accuse someone of being a wetback and possibly get them on a list to be deported with minimal government oversight, which is exactly what Trump wants. No question. You can deny it but it's a fact. I understand the feeling it won't you affect you/yours, at least in part as a fellow white dude. But I do have close family who could be affected by such craziness, despite being 4th/5th generation Americans bro. It's a slippery slope but hey, it's what Americans, including Latinos, want. Brown people make up the majority of illegals in this country and so a reckoning is in order. I'm dealing with it, and so will everyone who doesn't want to be put on a list.

I agree with your overall sentiment, but I couldn't resist pointing out the following. Rounding up and deporting immigrants isn't fascism. It could, and certainly, has been the policy of fascist states to round up individuals of particular ethnological groups and deport them. The right descriptor would be nativist.

I don't mean to quibble - but - you have to be careful with criticizing hyperbole (a criticism I agree with) while engaging in it yourself.

[Robz4000]

I mean, if you think Dems have it bad, Europe is probably shitting bricks right now :lol

You mean the USSR?

[SnakeBoy]

Nah, I'm on the 'summarily shot' list.

Unlike Nazis, we have to reeducate you first. Once saved, we can send you to Jesus.

[z0sa]

Mexico will pay for the bullet

:sombrero:

[ElNono]

The moment he starts talking/joking about what his 3rd term is going to look like is when you check if your European passport needs renewal, tbh... That's facism testing the waters.

[vy65]

Has anyone done a welfare check on Zelensky or otherwise gotten proof of life?

[SnakeBoy]

The moment he starts talking/joking about what his 3rd term is going to look like is when you check if your European passport needs renewal, tbh... That's facism testing the waters.

I hear the UK is a nice place for the woke

[koriwhat]

Great example of the hyperbole that's been activated. It's straight up fascist, bro, when you could theoretically accuse someone of being a wetback and possibly get them on a list to be deported with minimal government oversight, which is exactly what Trump wants. No question. You can deny it but it's a fact. I understand the feeling it won't you affect you/yours, at least in part as a fellow white dude. But I do have close family who could be affected by such craziness, despite being 4th/5th generation Americans bro. It's a slippery slope but hey, it's what Americans, including Latinos, want. Brown people make up the majority of illegals in this country and so a reckoning is in order. I'm dealing with it, and so will everyone who doesn't want to be put on a list.

I have friends, illegal and legal, and yes the point you've brought up is tough. I have close relationships with both illegal and legal "migrants". I'm torn too bro but you either have a country or you don't. This isn't a black or white issue tbh and the gray area is very tough to sort out without chaos to come and sorrow.

I don't necessarily think this is the best way to go about things but this is my thinking, those who came illegally and have contributed while trying to integrate should have some sort of moratorium on deportation to the point of a path to legal citizenship. Those we have flown in, in the past few yrs, and those we told to flood the border, from all over the world, should be deported asap.

I'm merely a dude on a messageboard so I clearly don't have a definitive answer. I feel for you z0sa and the stress that you're bearing atm.

[koriwhat]

Has anyone done a welfare check on Zelensky or otherwise gotten proof of life?

He's probably getting buttfucked rn by Sean Penn while doing rails off Bono's ass.

[ElNono]

I hear the UK is a nice place for the woke

Plenty of functioning democracies out there, tbh... most of the world, actually.

[spurraider21]

She and those behind the scenes controlling her, Biden, and co are a threat to our Republic and we need to eradicate them and their ideology. Sorry but not sorry. They are a true threat to your way of life, mine, and every American here who sees and can't see the forest from the trees.


It's hyperbole to the extreme unfortunately. I can certainly agree with you even though we never agree. People are crazy to think otherwise.

[hater]

I hear the UK is a nice place for the woke

UK is the biggest dictatorship in the West tbqh


Just look at the parade of retards they keep putting in power without a single vote from the people

UK is a joke of a country

[Thread]

UK is the biggest dictatorship in the West tbqh


Just look at the parade of retards they keep putting in power without a single vote from the people

UK is a joke of a country

hater

[ElNono]

UK is the biggest dictatorship in the West tbqh

Just look at the parade of retards they keep putting in power without a single vote from the people

UK is a joke of a country

They're a monarchy after all

[Thread]

They're a monarchy after all

That's just for the souvenir commerce.

[z0sa]

I agree with your overall sentiment, but I couldn't resist pointing out the following. Rounding up and deporting immigrants isn't fascism. It could, and certainly, has been the policy of fascist states to round up individuals of particular ethnological groups and deport them. The right descriptor would be nativist.

I don't mean to quibble - but - you have to be careful with criticizing hyperbole (a criticism I agree with) while engaging in it yourself.

It isn't the rounding up immigrants part I'm calling fascist, though, tbf. It's the possibility of pissing off the wrong person in power who can then add yours/your family's name to such list(s) and having very little recourse against it that I would consider fascist.

Of course, I'm perfectly willing to admit this is absolutely theoretical - at the moment - but it's based in Trump's own words. Since he's willing to deport even legal immigrants, there's no reason to think citizens couldn't be caught up - even if only by mistake - in such affairs. Furthermore, if conservatives hate big bad govt as corrupt, they'll admit a massive government undertaking like deporting 25+ million people will be just as corrupt if they are honest. Part of that corruption would certainly include human trafficking, and there's no reason to think citizens, legal immigrants or illegals alike would be immune. Again, don't think I will ever personally or even my family personally face such issues, but the window for corruption is there.

[ElNono]

That's just for the souvenir commerce.

https://automationdistribution.com/product_images/uploaded_images/cadbury.jpg

[spurraider21]

Plenty of functioning democracies out there, tbh... most of the world, actually.
if we were actually going to pack up and leave i'd probably look to sweden tbh. wife was born there, her parents are still citizens even though they all live here

nato protection as well :lol

[koriwhat]

...

Is it truly hyperbole? Biden's admin looks similar to whose admin? Kamala is just like Biden, an empty vessel.

We don't have to agree, which is fine by me, but time and time again hyperbole is a tool used by the left. "Bloodbath","Dictator","Hitler","our democracy","Handmaiden's Tale",etc....

It's not hyperbole to claim the real threat is another 4 yrs under the same boot of real fascists who work with the private sector to silence their political opponents, try to imprison their political opponent, de-person(persona non grata) those they disagree with, telling us we're in good shape while we all clearly feel the weight of our economy on our backs, claiming we should have free this or that while they send billions to a non Nato ally to give them everything they claim they want for us, etc... It's an illusion you've bought into.

The real threat is claiming more than half of the voting demo in this nation are deplorable is and will be their biggest mistake.

Again, I voted Obama twice and the only thing that got me questioning everything was the hatred for Trump post-escalator. I wondered how he was so beloved when I was growing up, by Whoopi and all celebs, DC, et al, only to be demonized once he ran for office. It boggled my mind and I sat there in 2016 during election night, with my dying grandfather who was a very smart electrical engineer from the 70's, as we both watched in excitement that the Clinton Dynasty was finally squashed. Trump didn't need my vote nor my grandfather's to beat that old hag. We didn't vote but we knew the alternative would be true hell for the USA and all of us Americans. My wake up call was the mountain of hate from the tolerant, or so I was told, left.

[Blake]

There's also an unspoken arrogance that comes with not addressing the elephants in the room. The messaging could have been

-Yes, inflation has been historically high under Biden. He didn't cause it; Trump did due to his mishandling of Covid. It's now coming down, and I'll make sure it keeps coming down to help out on interest rates, which impact every families bottom line
-Yes, I said I would ban fracking. I have new data now that shows me that I was wrong. I'm not afraid to admit so because I will do whatever is best for the American people.
-Yes, I said some crazy DEI shit. Again, I have no information and admit I was wrong about that.
-Yes, we've put out some exceedingly draconian tax measures - but we need those to not bankrupt the country. Trump will add 6T to the deficit and has no plan for combatting it.
-Yes, what is happening in Gaza is deplorable. Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran are our enemies, but we need our Israeli allies to do better because what they've done so far is unconscionable.

-Now, the guy you're voting for is i) an idiot ii) a convicted felon iii) has nothing resembling any sort of plan for any sort of policy iv) is an idiot and v) wants to destroy this country.

This shouldn't have been this difficult.

Strange too that I don't recall one time Kamala talking about gun control which I think would have been a needle mover.

[Blake]

if we were actually going to pack up and leave i'd probably look to sweden tbh. wife was born there, her parents are still citizens even though they all live here

nato protection as well :lol

Meh, we lasted 4 years of utter swamp mess before. At least it's not 8.... I think...

[spurraider21]

Meh, we lasted 4 years of utter swamp mess before. At least it's not 8.... I think...
:lol tbh i have no plans of leaving. was just adding to that convo

luckily we'll be privileged enough to deal with what comes our way on an individual level

[Blake]

:lol tbh i have no plans of leaving. was just adding to that convo

luckily we'll be privileged enough to deal with what comes our way on an individual level

Yeah but I mean it's a thought. I can't wait until all these old fuckers that voted Trump have a pre existing condition and get their doctor bill.

[z0sa]

I have friends, illegal and legal, and yes the point you've brought up is tough. I have close relationships with both illegal and legal "migrants". I'm torn too bro but you either have a country or you don't. This isn't a black or white issue tbh and the gray area is very tough to sort out without chaos to come and sorrow.

I don't necessarily think this is the best way to go about things but this is my thinking, those who came illegally and have contributed while trying to integrate should have some sort of moratorium on deportation to the point of a path to legal citizenship. Those we have flown in, in the past few yrs, and those we told to flood the border, from all over the world, should be deported asap.

I'm merely a dude on a messageboard so I clearly don't have a definitive answer. I feel for you z0sa and the stress that you're bearing atm.

I appreciate you dude, we've always kept it real.

As for the border, I mean, this is one of the things I'm on the fence about and what makes an independent. I believe that in the past, up til some time in the 20th century, America was a beacon and had plenty of room, jobs, affordable housing (relatively), etc for everyone.

We simply can't afford to keep our current lifestyle and continue to believe that's true at all anymore. I saw the unfortunate hypocrisy of sanctuary cities and states being overrun by illegals from the southern states and while it was a marketing ploy at best, it worked. These places, like NYC, were crying out for support and looking like fools doing it. They can barely deal with busloads of people, at least in a way that is politically correct for the Democratic base, but expect cities here in Texas to deal with exponentially more of the same without complaining about it and/or being called racist for it. I get it, I do - it's just a sad state of affairs.

The isolationist turn is compelling, though not one I personally agree with in full. I'd rather Ukrainians dying than Americans or our NATO allies, but hey, if Russia just controls Ukraine, maybe no one else dies for a while. It's appeasement in theory but people in the USA don't care. The electorate has spoken - so I'm moving on.

[SnakeBoy]

It looks like the calm introspection phase has transitioned into hopelessness and despair. Anger phase should be up next.

Let's see if we can stave it off for a while with an uplifting music video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts57B3mekxs

[spurraider21]

Is it truly hyperbole? Biden's admin looks similar to whose admin? Kamala is just like Biden, an empty vessel.
theyre both milquetoast democrats. nothing to be inspired by, nothing to fear


We don't have to agree, which is fine by me, but time and time again hyperbole is a tool used by the left. "Bloodbath","Dictator","Hitler","our democracy","Handmaiden's Tale",etc....
and yeah you are doing the same thing in this convo...


It's not hyperbole to claim the real threat is another 4 yrs under the same boot of real fascists who work with the private sector to silence their political opponents,
i dont think there is a single instance of the government having demanded any social medial profiles to be banned, suspended, shadowbanned, etc. its also bizarre to claim this when trumps biggest ally right now is elon musk who literally owns twitter and uses it as a republican megaphone. i cant fathom being mad because there were some hints of social media bias but then being ok with musk's version of twitter which is so much more outwardly aligned with a particular candidate (soon to be president) than anything we've seen before


try to imprison their political opponent,
im ok with people being investigated for crimes and being charged where appropriate. i dont care if this is a former president or the president's son. this is a non-issue to me as long as there is actual evidence of the crimes being committed. they investigated hillary and i was fine with that. they investigated trump and i was fine with that. they investigated biden (and his son) and i was fine with that, and will continue to be. the mere fact that somebody is a political figure shouldnt suddenly make them immune from prosecution. we are not some monarchy where people should be above the law... though i guess maybe now we are with SCOTUS claiming presidents have immunity


de-person(persona non grata) those they disagree with,
again, this cant be a serious criticism of the left given the opposition. its night and day. biden makes some remark about a "bullseye" in a private speech and has to go apologize for it. trump says liz cheney ought to face a firing squad and nobody bats an eye. this to me is a completely made up, crocodile tear complaint and unless you are willing to say the same x10 for the right, then you arent really serious about it


telling us we're in good shape while we all clearly feel the weight of our economy on our backs,
nobody can speak to 330 million people about each person'd individual experience. ive had a pretty damn good time financially for the last several years. i understand my circumstances are not the same as others. we can only point to broad trends and general statistics. if the unemployment rate is 3.1% but you just got fired last week, that doesnt mean you'd be correct in saying "wow this labor market sucks ass, unemployment is a huge problem in the country."

yeah, inflation was rough. it was a global issue though, not something that biden specifically did (american rescue plan certainly didnt help). and we fared better than most of the world on inflation. we've driven inflation back down without plunging into a recession or having mass unemployment. any way you slice it, its a big win. no, the cumulative effects on inflation over time isnt magically undone, but you arent getting deflation without a big recession. so you basically have to choose which is worse. recession/unemployment, or inflation. and for about 2 years now, real wages (inflation adjusted) have gone up. so statistically, people have more purchasing power than they did a couple of years ago. by spring of next year, real wages would have completely beaten out the entirety of the inflation we had been through.

again, this cant speak to each person's individual experience or the "weight of the economy on everyone's back" but its is generally speaking... true.


claiming we should have free this or that while they send billions to a non Nato ally to give them everything they claim they want for us, etc... It's an illusion you've bought into.
those funds come from the defense budget. you cant just take money allocated to defense and instead apply them to... homelessness. if you think defense spending is too high and social spending is too low, you might want to learn a thing or two about the people about to take control of the purse strings.


The real threat is claiming more than half of the voting demo in this nation are deplorable is and will be their biggest mistake.
this is the same crocodile tears as above tbh. trump regularly calls people who vote against him as sick, evil people, the enemy within, etc etc. if you really cared about this, you'd be more so vocal about it as it relates to trump. you might call it deflection, but it just shows you're not seriously concerned about this as a principled issue


Again, I voted Obama twice and the only thing that got me questioning everything was the hatred for Trump post-escalator. I wondered how he was so beloved when I was growing up, by Whoopi and all celebs, DC, et al, only to be demonized once he ran for office. It boggled my mind and I sat there in 2016 during election night, with my dying grandfather who was a very smart electrical engineer from the 70's, as we both watched in excitement that the Clinton Dynasty was finally squashed. Trump didn't need my vote nor my grandfather's to beat that old hag. We didn't vote but we knew the alternative would be true hell for the USA and all of us Americans. My wake up call was the mountain of hate from the tolerant, or so I was told, left.
while im never going to agree with him policy wise, i can legitimately see how 2016 trump appealed to people. but the rhetoric of 2016 trump, and even though he was full of shit, his claims about wanting to help the working class who had been left behind, etc... has some pull

but he doesnt even pretend about that stuff anymore. its all just grievance, vengeance with him now. people were tired of him in 2020, and then the shit he pulled after the election should have completely ended his political relevance.

[spurraider21]

Yeah but I mean it's a thought. I can't wait until all these old fuckers that voted Trump have a pre existing condition and get their doctor bill.
trump will ride the good economy and will implement awful things that will only begin to be felt after he's out of office and some democrat will be stuck trying to clean it up only to get blamed for it

[MarioSpeedwagon]

It’s a testament to how incompetent, ineffective, and impotent the Democratic Party is that it not only lost, but did so in a historic manner, to a convicted felon who ran on a platform of autocracy, horrible economic policy, and sheer stupidity. In this thread let’s post our reasons why the DNC fumbled yet another imminently winnable election.

Mine, in no particular order:

-Retarded economic policy that unnecessarily increased taxes on the non-1% while claiming it only affected the 1%, along with retardation like taxing unrealized gains sprinkled in for good measure
-Not distancing from Biden on key issues *cough*Gaza*cough
-Having absolutely no explanation for tectonic shifts in policy like fracking
-Not pushing the old man out until 100 days from Election Day
-No open primary
-Waltz

I mean this country is retarded. The idea that the far left could have done better is really fucking stupid when every single poll shows that the average person in the election thinks that Kamala was too far left as it is.

The guys are stuff you're posting about is especially retarded because there's zero polls anywhere that shows that anyone gives two fucking shits outside of the far left on Twitter about the Palestinians. Especially considering they elected someone who's going to absolutely wipe Palestine and Hamas off the map. The fact that Palestine and Hamas are going to get genocided is the one positive of this whole fucking thing tbh. I can't wait for the far left to stop pretending to care about all this shit now

[MarioSpeedwagon]

It’s not cope. If she changed her messaging on Gaza, she easily could have won MI on that issue alone. To say nothing of the others

There were like 400,000 Jewish poople in Pennsylvania. And she lost that despite winning them 75 to 25. The idea that people would give two shits about Gaza is a joke, especially considering that Trump wants to wipe it off the map

[MarioSpeedwagon]

1. Genocides are not a good campaign strategy
2. Celebrating war criminals supporting you is not a good campaign strategy

Oh and we dodged a bullet imo


https://x.com/RealMacReport/status/1854175424202571881
I mean being pro-genocide work for Trump. Have you seen literally zero of his comments about Bibi and Hamas?

The genocide you're pretending to care about right now is going to continue at full steam ahead. It's the one positive of this whole shit. I can't wait for those Hamas cockroaches to be wiped off the map

[MarioSpeedwagon]

The inevitable conclusion of Dem post mortem analysis

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbs5Lx1WIAEAc_b?format=jpg&name=large

This meme would have been very accurate in 2020 as well, but you wouldn't have said shit then

[MarioSpeedwagon]

They do have a few positives to go on from this:

- An inept idiot running the country for (at least) the next 4 years, which will give them plenty of fodder for the midterms and 2028.
- Confirmation that Harris is unelectable and can be scratched off the list

What's more difficult to see is how dinosaurs like Joe, Pelosi, Schumer, etc stop running the party into the ground, tbh...

I mean we already had Bernie and he was completing total failure despite being given every possible advantage he could have...who would you have nominated?

[vy65]

There were like 400,000 Jewish poople in Pennsylvania. And she lost that despite winning them 75 to 25. The idea that people would give two shits about Gaza is a joke, especially considering that Trump wants to wipe it off the map

tell that to the 100k population of Dearborn or the 200k middle easterners who live elsewhere in Michigan

[Leetonidas]

It's either we believe we have a country, borders are a thing, or we don't. It's not about emboldening racists to do shit they otherwise may not have.

There's going to be racists for as long as humanity is a thing on this Earth, unfortunately. How we deal with such nonsense is pivotal. Growing up in the 90's we made fun of those racists, we joked between races, and no one was easily offended. We need to get back to those days and unite once again.



Stop putting yourself in a box and labeling yourself this or that for one. Second, I hear, read, your concerns and they'll valid no doubt. You handle the nonsense as it comes but speculating that your grandmother is going to be hunted down is just going to cause you to go mental. It's def concerning and I saw similar when 9/11 happened and my best friend was being accused endlessly of being a terrorist when he's merely a nerdy Jew, from south Texas, with a beard.

There's no easy answers, bud. We just can't keep going on letting illegals step over our borders and giving them handouts while we neglect our own citizens and their struggle. Same goes for foreign aid. We have to reestablish what we want to be as a whole, and that means left and right, not fringe extremes.

I hope the best for you and your family Leet. Try to keep your head up and protect your family at all costs.

I appreciate the response. :tu hard to argue with a lot of that. All i can do is control what i can control and take care of my family. I think in the end that is really what most of us want, for us and our families to feel safe/protected in our own country. But i'm not going to lie and say i'm not extremely disappointed and pretty deflated tbh. But i already knew this is how the election would turn out, you could just tell there was not the same enthusiasm for Kamala and the vibes were all manufactured BS. At least i dont have to pretend i like her now :lol

I will say though, i get you dont like the rhetoric that gets thrown around (dictator, next hitler, etc) and think its hyperbole, but the commie stuff is kinda the same thing. i think if we are trying to foster healthy discourse then perhaps its better to not always accuse the other side of being a communist or a racist or a tranny or whatever :lol just sayin

[MarioSpeedwagon]

tell that to the 100k population of Dearborn or the 200k middle easterners who live elsewhere in Michigan
Are you retarded or something? She lost way more than one state.

I mean Palestine will be gone by February now, so who gives a shit about it anyways

[vy65]

Are you retarded or something? She lost way more than one state.

I mean Palestine will be gone by February now, so who gives a shit about it anyways

I'm aware of how the electoral college works, but thanks for asking. My point is that losing one of three critical blue wall states was an unforced error.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

I'm aware of how the electoral college works, but thanks for asking. My point is that losing one of three critical blue wall states was an unforced error.

How long are you going to pretend to care about Palestine? Because you voting against or gloating about the loss of Harris and Walz is really disastrous for it

[vy65]

How long are you going to pretend to care about Palestine? Because you voting against or gloating about the loss of Harris and Walz is really disastrous for it

what the actual fuck are you talking about? I never said I did or did not care about Palestine. I am talking about a potential strategic move to gather more votes. Based on your level of reading comprehension, I guessing you voted for the ole orange feller huh?

[hater]

And..... There it is.......

Called it :tu

https://x.com/never_oppressed/status/1854241783112225143

[spurraider21]

And..... There it is.......

Called it :tu

https://x.com/never_oppressed/status/1854241783112225143
https://media.tenor.com/04xTV8bg5QYAAAAM/lobster.gif

[hater]

https://media.tenor.com/04xTV8bg5QYAAAAM/lobster.gif

Caption: Israelis entering Lebanon

[spurraider21]

im actually glad that at least this time we can avoid the discourse about

1) popular vote vs electoral vote fairness

2) third parties ruined everything

[spurraider21]

Caption: Israelis entering Lebanon
unless trump backs them and basically just diverts all the ukraine aid to israel :lol

[Leetonidas]

Caption: Israelis entering Lebanon

Trump is about to give them whatever they want :lol you're delusional if you think this Zionists you hate so much aren't about to go HAM on the middle east

[hater]

unless trump backs them and basically just diverts all the ukraine aid to israel :lol

Ita already happening now. It will continue under trump. :tu

[vy65]

better stock up on kubideh because Iran is going bye bye

[hater]

Trump is about to give them whatever they want :lol you're delusional if you think this Zionists you hate so much aren't about to go HAM on the middle east

They are already getting whatever they want :lol

[hater]

better stock up on kubideh because Iran is going bye bye

Very unlikely

[vy65]

Ita already happening now. It will continue under trump. :tu

So Biden = Kamala = Trump. Cool

[hater]

So Biden = Kamala = Trump. Cool

When it comes to Israel. Most likely

[baseline bum]

Surely you don't actually believe this.

Yes I do. I don't know why you think it's ridiculous when the supreme court has literally made him above the law as long as he calls his crimes official acts. He tried to overturn the 2020 election and now he can do it in 2028 with no legal repercussion. Do you think Trump is lying when he says he will jail his opponents and will jail the press? Drives me nuts when liberals don't take him seriously.

[vy65]

Yes I do. I don't know why you think it's ridiculous when the supreme court has literally made him above the law as long as he calls his crimes official acts. He tried to overturn the 2020 election and now he can do it in 2028 with no legal repercussion. Do you think Trump is lying when he says he will jail his opponents and will jail the press? Drives me nuts when liberals don't take him seriously.

Look, I've made it clear that I'm absolutely no fan of the guy. And, everything you've said is true. But a 3rd term is beyond the pale and would require buy-in from the military, the entire civil service, etc... Maybe this is naivete, but I just don't see that happening because it's a red line. It's telling that the plot to Civil War is this exact fact pattern.

[SnakeBoy]

They are already getting whatever they want :lol

:lol

[spurraider21]

Look, I've made it clear that I'm absolutely no fan of the guy. And, everything you've said is true. But a 3rd term is beyond the pale and would require buy-in from the military, the entire civil service, etc... Maybe this is naivete, but I just don't see that happening because it's a red line. It's telling that the plot to Civil War is this exact fact pattern.
even if its not as blatant as third term for him, what if he just plants his successor

[vy65]

even if its not as blatant as third term for him, what if he just plants his successor

What does "plant" mean? like he just one day says, starting on Jan 20, 2029, Baron Trump will be the new president?

To be clear, I fully expect a high level of evil fuckery. But there's a limit to the doom-and-gloom for me, at least for now.

[baseline bum]

Look, I've made it clear that I'm absolutely no fan of the guy. And, everything you've said is true. But a 3rd term is beyond the pale and would require buy-in from the military, the entire civil service, etc... Maybe this is naivete, but I just don't see that happening because it's a red line. It's telling that the plot to Civil War is this exact fact pattern.

Staging a coup attempt isn't a red line? Nothing happened to him for sending his brownshirts to hang Mike Pence and Pelosi and everyone who stole the 2020 election from him. Trump has also been crystal clear civil service employees are gone and will be replaced with loyalists.

[spurraider21]

What does "plant" mean? like he just one day says, starting on Jan 20, 2029, Baron Trump will be the new president?

To be clear, I fully expect a high level of evil fuckery. But there's a limit to the doom-and-gloom for me, at least for now.
if he hand picks the next republican nominee, the base will do whatever he says. if he decides its Vance, he will stump around with him and magaland will obey. then he uses the power of government behind him to ensure results. intimidation of voters/opposition. or just fucking with the electoral count. was going to happen last time but mike fucking pence bailed the country out. thats the only reason we have a new VP this time around. and vance has already said he wouldnt have certified the 2020 election.

[vy65]

Staging a coup attempt isn't a red line? Trump has also been crystal clear civil service employees are gone and will be replaced with loyalists.

I agree it was a coup and I agree that it was a red line. The problem was it wasn't so immediately clear to some what Trump was doing. He never came out and tweeted something like "storm the capital, steal the election." Whereas the 22nd amendment is clear - you get two terms. If he were to remain for a third, I don't see how anyone could say he wasn't violating the constitution/his oath of office.

I quickly read through the wiki for Trump v. US, so bag of salt, but there's not absolute immunity for whatever Trump does, period. There is presumptive immunity for official acts, but not for private ones. If he directly violates the constitution by refusing to leave the oval office, I just don't see how that can be considered an "official act" as opposed to an ultra vires/private act. I'm not saying we're safe by any means. All I'm saying is that I can't conjure up a fact pattern, short of a repeal of the 22nd. There is no way 38 states would vote to repeal. (I hope those aren't famous last words)

[vy65]

if he hand picks the next republican nominee, the base will do whatever he says. if he decides its Vance, he will stump around with him and magaland will obey. then he uses the power of government behind him to ensure results. intimidation of voters/opposition. or just fucking with the electoral count. was going to happen last time but mike fucking pence bailed the country out. thats the only reason we have a new VP this time around. and vance has already said he wouldnt have certified the 2020 election.

That's what the courts are for. I recognize that does not inspire a lot of confidence, but if a court enjoins him from fucking with the election, and he goes ahead and does it anyway, then you're kind of in all bets are off territory

[spurraider21]

I agree it was a coup and I agree that it was a red line. The problem was it wasn't so immediately clear to some what Trump was doing. He never came out and tweeted something like "storm the capital, steal the election." Whereas the 22nd amendment is clear - you get two terms. If he were to remain for a third, I don't see how anyone could say he wasn't violating the constitution/his oath of office.

I quickly read through the wiki for Trump v. US, so bag of salt, but there's not absolute immunity for whatever Trump does, period. There is presumptive immunity for official acts, but not for private ones. If he directly violates the constitution by refusing to leave the oval office, I just don't see how that can be considered an "official act" as opposed to an ultra vires/private act. I'm not saying we're safe by any means. All I'm saying is that I can't conjure up a fact pattern, short of a repeal of the 22nd. There is no way 38 states would vote to repeal. (I hope those aren't famous last words)
fuck the jan 6 magats who stormed the capital. we were mike fucking pence's conscience away from being thrown right into a constitutional crisis. all at trump's direction.

[spurraider21]

That's what the courts are for. I recognize that does not inspire a lot of confidence, but if a court enjoins him from fucking with the election, and he goes ahead and does it anyway, then you're kind of in all bets are off territory
same MAGA supreme court that just told him he will have the immunity of a king? that's what you are hanging your hat on?

[z0sa]

If Trump* truly is a fascist and following fascist principles, then the Hitler playbook is have, or let happen, another incident like January 6th (or whatever could be analogous to the Reichstag fire) if democrats win then invoke presidential immunity to shut everything down for safety reasons and play out the cards as they turn. Vance would permanently refuse to certify the election in such a case and wouldn't go near Capitol Hill. Even if it fails, the SCOTUS likely covers his/their ass under immunity as a presidential act to prevent terrorism or whatever. It's simplified and strongly hypothetical but far from unimaginable

[vy65]

same MAGA supreme court that just told him he will have the immunity of a king? that's what you are hanging your hat on?

Is that what the opinion said? I haven't read it, but I'd be hard pressed to think they'd immunize him from an overt unconstitutional act, much less a criminal one. But I don't know, you could be right.

[vy65]

If Hitler truly is a fascist and following fascist principles, then the Hitler playbook is have, or let happen, another incident like January 6th (or whatever could be analogous to the Reichstag fire) if democrats win then invoke presidential immunity to shut everything down for safety reasons and play out the cards as they turn. Vance would permanently refuse to certify the election in such a case and wouldn't go near Capitol Hill. Even if it fails, the SCOTUS likely covers his/their ass under immunity as a presidential act to prevent terrorism or whatever. It's simplified and strongly hypothetical but far from unimaginable

Interesting hypothetical. So what's the end game? He stays in power as we're in limbo forever?

[baseline bum]

Is that what the opinion said? I haven't read it, but I'd be hard pressed to think they'd immunize him from an overt unconstitutional act, much less a criminal one. But I don't know, you could be right.

Sotomayor's dissent specifically mentioned the president would be immune to charges for sending Seal Team Six to murder an opponent.

[vy65]

Sotomayor's dissent specifically mentioned the president would be immune to charges for sending Seal Team Six to murder an opponent.

Saw that in the wiki. Looks like it was the hypothetical that lead the COA to affirm the dist courts ruling. For what its worth, this is what the wiki says about Roberts, who wrote the majority opinion:

Roberts responded to the dissent, stating that the majority opinion was a narrower ruling than Sotomayor had described and referred to her hypothetical scenarios as fear mongering

[vy65]

I'm not saying that there's nothing to worry about. There is. All I'm saying is that there is still a limit as to what the people will tolerate.

[baseline bum]

Saw that in the wiki. Looks like it was the hypothetical that lead the COA to affirm the dist courts ruling. For what its worth, this is what the wiki says about Roberts, who wrote the majority opinion:

Roberts responded to the dissent, stating that the majority opinion was a narrower ruling than Sotomayor had described and referred to her hypothetical scenarios as fear mongering

Seems like we're in all bets are off territory right now.

[z0sa]

Interesting hypothetical. So what's the end game? He stays in power as we're in limbo forever?

I think at that point they use alt-media sources to paint the democratic victor as the source, directly or indirectly, of the problem, followed by getting rid of said problem in the name of protecting the republic, along with as many other high ranking democrats as they can "reasonably" draw into the conspiracy.

it's clear Americans don't care now and the vast majority of them will believe whatever he says at this point, at least among those who vote for him. If he's feeling strong enough to go that far, and again this is all hypothetical, it's fair to say they will believe him when he says the democrats not only cheated again but are by force attempting to take the presidency. Until "proper" elections could be held, it would remain in his control.

The primary thing stopping Trump from achieving something like this is his age, which I've mentioned before. I doubt this all comes to fruition because he's too old, but in this highly theoretical situation, his successor would be much younger, would have already won the Republican primaries and thus, would already have a large constituency of supporters. The writing could already be on the wall, tbh.

At this point, it's easy to understand why the Germans let the Nazis take over and do all their crazy shit. People simply don't care as long as we have our bread and circuses. Our holdout is literally hoping Trump really does love his country and/or there's not enough momentum (like you said) in the federal government, including the SCOTUS, to actually achieve these ends.

[baseline bum]

I think at that point they use alt-media sources to paint the democratic victor as the source, directly or indirectly, of the problem, followed by getting rid of said problem in the name of protecting the republic, along with as many other high ranking democrats as they can "reasonably" draw into the conspiracy.

it's clear Americans don't care now and the vast majority of them will believe whatever he says at this point, at least among those who vote for him. If he's feeling strong enough to go that far, and again this is all hypothetical, it's fair to say they will believe him when he says the democrats not only cheated again but are by force attempting to take the presidency. Until "proper" elections could be held, it would remain in his control.

The primary thing stopping Trump from achieving something like this is his age, which I've mentioned before. I doubt this all comes to fruition because he's too old, but in this highly theoretical situation, his successor would be much younger, would have already won the Republican primaries and thus, would already have a large constituency of supporters. The writing could already be on the wall, tbh.

At this point, it's easy to understand why the Germans let the Nazis take over and do all their crazy shit. People simply don't care as long as we have our bread and circuses. Our holdout is literally hoping Trump really does love his country and/or there's not enough momentum (like you said) in the federal government, including the SCOTUS, to actually achieve these ends.

The Germans were sick of the civil war between the nazis and communists and were just happy it was over, and they also grossly underestimated Hitler. Hindenburg was supposed to be the check on Hitler. We saw how well that worked out. We don't even get a Hindenburg this time.

[SnakeBoy]

Anger seems to be building. I can't wait for you to start having your little marches again.

[ChumpDumper]

You're still going to be gunning down brown people in supermarkets.

[GAustex]

https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1854182542041121247

He needs to take out Ryan, Cronyn and bury Cheny

[Winehole23]

You're still going to be gunning down brown people in supermarkets.clearly, they miss it

[diego]

Eh, at the end i'm not sure there is candidate in the universe that can satisfy every Democrat in America. I think the lesson here is, that the only way for Democrats to win is to dump any pretense of policies and sanity and just get a candidate that will have no issue lying to everyone right into their faces. Sadly it's a post fact world of feels over reals, I don't know what the point of two Trumps running is though. USA if fucked, there is no recovering, but it will be a slow and long decline from here on out.

Like you say, stooping to his level will only make things worse.

Democrat party is without doubt too "centrist" if not outright republican lite... Imo for most Americans though that's not really the problem. The problem is that the other side can paint them out to be "Marxist" "commie"etc etc while doing far worse, and democrats are too stupid to properly cal them out for it. The best example of which is the voter fraud/ stop the steal accusations, while literally plotting to use fake electors to steal the presidency..

The best attacks on trump came from his former staff, generals, Arnold Schwarzenegger, for his coup attempt but they barely got any amplitude, I still can't believe the fake electors scheme got so little coverage.. half the reasons people would give for trump were plainly false (peace candidate! Better economy! Fix immigration!) all of these are objectively not true.

At the end of the day, trump only won when going against women, it may be as simple and stupid as that.

We're left to hope that like last time, most of it was just BS to get votes/money from his marks... But there will be real damage to the judiciary and political parties that will eventually lead to civil war imo...

I'm glad I got the fuck out 21 years ago

[Trainwreck2100]

It’s a testament to how incompetent, ineffective, and impotent the Democratic Party is that it not only lost, but did so in a historic manner, to a convicted felon who ran on a platform of autocracy, horrible economic policy, and sheer stupidity. In this thread let’s post our reasons why the DNC fumbled yet another imminently winnable election.

Mine, in no particular order:

-Retarded economic policy that unnecessarily increased taxes on the non-1% while claiming it only affected the 1%, along with retardation like taxing unrealized gains sprinkled in for good measure
-Not distancing from Biden on key issues *cough*Gaza*cough
-Having absolutely no explanation for tectonic shifts in policy like fracking
-Not pushing the old man out until 100 days from Election Day
-No open primary
-Waltz

Disagree, waltz was at worst a net neutral.

[daslicer]

Like you say, stooping to his level will only make things worse.

Democrat party is without doubt too "centrist" if not outright republican lite... Imo for most Americans though that's not really the problem. The problem is that the other side can paint them out to be "Marxist" "commie"etc etc while doing far worse, and democrats are too stupid to properly cal them out for it. The best example of which is the voter fraud/ stop the steal accusations, while literally plotting to use fake electors to steal the presidency..

The best attacks on trump came from his former staff, generals, Arnold Schwarzenegger, for his coup attempt but they barely got any amplitude, I still can't believe the fake electors scheme got so little coverage.. half the reasons people would give for trump were plainly false (peace candidate! Better economy! Fix immigration!) all of these are objectively not true.

At the end of the day, trump only won when going against women, it may be as simple and stupid as that.

We're left to hope that like last time, most of it was just BS to get votes/money from his marks... But there will be real damage to the judiciary and political parties that will eventually lead to civil war imo...

I'm glad I got the fuck out 21 years ago

Where did you go?

[ElNono]

if we were actually going to pack up and leave i'd probably look to sweden tbh. wife was born there, her parents are still citizens even though they all live here

nato protection as well :lol

I think Mallorca would be nice as well... I still have an Italian passport, tbh, and I could request the company for an internal transfer... I would miss LA though...

Hopefully it doesn't come to that

[spurraider21]

I think Mallorca would be nice as well... I still have an Italian passport, tbh, and I could request the company for an internal transfer... I would miss LA though...

Hopefully it doesn't come to that
Man id be depressed as hell if it came to something like that. Language barrier and a profession that isn’t easily transferable (unlike wifey)

[ElNono]

Man id be depressed as hell if it came to something like that. Language barrier and a profession that isn’t easily transferable (unlike wifey)

Don't forget he wanted to buy Greenland, maybe he'll purchase Sweden as well, tbh

[Winehole23]

Aggregate economic statistics don't measure working class pain, and people don't pay "the falling rate of inflation," they pay the inflated shelf price.

The "vibecession" was real and voters were put off by wonkish gaslighting.

Also momentous, "back to normal," and the sunsetting of federal assistance to parents.

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[spurraider21]

Obviously you don’t ignore accumulated inflation but metrics like real wages and spending power specifically account for that as well

[Winehole23]

Obviously you don’t ignore accumulated inflation but metrics like real wages and spending power specifically account for that as wellSure, but if wage gains barely outpace inflation, the person is merely treading water; if they recently lost federal assistance for their children the marginal rise in buying power may not be perceptible.

Also, BLS hedonic adjustments are a pack of lies.

Who really believes the price of new cars remained stable for 25 years?


https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5ffc4c b-3b0e-428f-8890-0e43c6e7a5ba_1164x474.png

[ChumpDumper]

I guess I understand the anger, but thinking Trump could solve and reverse inflation is simply magical.

[FrostKing]

I guess I understand the anger, but thinking Trump could solve and reverse inflation is simply magical.
I hope he finds a middle ground but ya we are not returning to Pre-Covid levels and some are indenial

[spurraider21]

Sure, but if wage gains barely outpace inflation, the person is merely treading water; if they recently lost federal assistance for their children the marginal rise in buying power may not be perceptible.

Also, BLS hedonic adjustments are a pack of lies.

Who really believes the price of new cars remained stable for 25 years?


https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_2400,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb5ffc4c b-3b0e-428f-8890-0e43c6e7a5ba_1164x474.png

https://youtu.be/xnhJWusyj4I?si=D2JuLy8qQ7thm3m-

[Donald Sterling.]

Resident libcucks doing the doom and gloom thing again a la 2016 :lol Where they act like this is the end for America and they're leaving but would never actually leave.

Grown men acting like hysterical 20 something white women on tik tok. Such a sad group of cucks :lol

[Brazil]

Same reasons Germans elected Hitler tbh... 90 years later nothing changed much.. personality cult, building on fear, national pride, false hope, blame immigrants for all your problems, being the candidate of the people vs. establishment...

[Winehole23]

I guess I understand the anger, but thinking Trump could solve and reverse inflation is simply magical.It is; the sincere sexism and bigotry didn't hurt either -- people need someone to blame for their troubles. Scapegoating works.

[Winehole23]

Resident libcucks doing the doom and gloom thing again a la 2016 :lol Where they act like this is the end for America and they're leaving but would never actually leave.

Grown men acting like hysterical 20 something white women on tik tok. Such a sad group of cucks :lolthe pussy hats were right -- Donald Trump did take their rights away.

if you think this is 2016 all over again, you haven't been paying attention.

[hater]

Resident libcucks doing the doom and gloom thing again a la 2016 :lol Where they act like this is the end for America and they're leaving but would never actually leave.

Grown men acting like hysterical 20 something white women on tik tok. Such a sad group of cucks :lol

Its very different from 2016 actually

Remember they had the Russiagate BS and were feisty with it

Remember even Chimp changes hisnlogin name to a Russian name :lmao
Now if they try it they will be sent to Guantanamo :lmao

[baseline bum]

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The left understood fine the extent inflation has fucked the working class over. The Neolib Democrats are not the fucking left.

[Winehole23]

The left understood fine the extent inflation has fucked the working class over. The Neolib Democrats are not the fucking left.I agree

One of the main functions of the Democratic Party is to protect national politics from the left.

[Thread]

Same reasons Germans elected Hitler tbh... 90 years later nothing changed much.. personality cult, building on fear, national pride, false hope, blame immigrants for all your problems, being the candidate of the people vs. establishment...

...paying for the health-care/FULL RIDE of millions of Nazi's living in Ukraine.

[ChumpDumper]

I hope he finds a middle ground but ya we are not returning to Pre-Covid levels and some are indenial

The hard work has already been done and is nearly complete. Lots of people who haven't paid attention will think it is indeed magic next quarter.

[Winehole23]

It's been pointed out elsewhere, but Trump was able to scoop uncommitteds at the end by pretending to be antiwar. Reportedly, about 60% of those were susceptible to an antiwar message, and they broke hard for Trump at the end.

Team Harris probably left a lot of votes on the table by failing to create any daylight between Harris and Biden with regard to US support for wars in Ukraine and Gaza/Lebanon.

[Winehole23]

https://youtu.be/xnhJWusyj4I?si=D2JuLy8qQ7thm3m-It's absolutely correct that the right wing media silo has deluded people about current trends in crime; I disagree that this is true about the economy. Official inflation measures are a bit more squirrelly compared to ground level experience.

Remember, CPI excludes things that people must spend money for, like food, fuel and housing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbtDS6vXYBEADYQ?format=jpg&name=medium

[hater]

Called it :tu


https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1854339186741915955

[Winehole23]

Not sure where these figures are from, but if they're anywhere close to correct, stiff-arming Arab-Americans upset over US support for ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing in Gaza was a big mistake.

The polling that says Harris could have made similar inroads in PA without losing many votes has been out there for months.


Wisconsin
Trump margin: 29,634
Uncommitted: 48,373

Michigan
Trump margin: 81,750
Uncommitted: 101,623

[hater]

Not sure where these figures are from, but if they're anywhere close to correct, stiff-arming Arab-Americans upset over US support for ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing in Gaza was a big mistake.

The polling that says Harris could have made similar inroads in PA without losing many votes has been out there for months.

Genocides have can consequences

[Winehole23]

Complete aside, in keeping with ruminations about the ongoing partisan realignment, this is the first time since the late 19th century that the incumbent has lost in three consecutive elections.

[Winehole23]

Another underemphasized factor of the Harris loss: the arrogance of Joe Biden and the DNC.

Biden was too unpopular to win, period. He might should have withdrawn his candidacy last year, before the primaries.

[Winehole23]

party of the working class


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbyoeHVXUAYv4M1?format=jpg&name=large

[diego]

Where did you go?

Had some friends and family in Chile, living in the country side.. yeah I wouldn't recommend it either but, at least it's far away from bigger conflicts :lol

My brothers and sisters that stayed in the US, have very nice jobs, very nice houses (and million dollar mortgages), but they're shitting their pants right now and not because they are illegal..

[TSA]

Terrifying numbers for Dems. Massive expansion of Trump's base.

https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/1854381268328198515

https://x.com/axios/status/1854504309213306882

[baseline bum]

Terrifying numbers for Dems. Massive expansion of Trump's base.


I don't buy it. This election was a middle finger at Biden and the DNC just like the last one was a middle finger at Trump and the previous one a middle finger at Clinton and the DNC.

[Spurs Homer]

I said this many many years ago…and have always known this fact:

People LOVE - and WANT- to be lied to.
Propaganda works. The old playbook worked in 1930’s Germany because it worked….until hundreds of millions of dead bodies signaled that maybe worshipping an evil liar criminal was not such a good idea…

but for that guy to stand there and recite from an old playbook and lie to the masses…it brought him to unfettered power….until the violent end.

Right wing/rupert murdoch media…works 24/7 on lies and the masses get hypnotized and it just works.

Our country is the envy of the planet and our recovery the fastest and best on the planet…but
americans….”arent feeling it!”

That was due to the the alternate reality created and it worked. Like a charm. LIE TO THEM 24/7! Get the best and biggest liars on the planet and the masses will vote them into power.

People love to be lied to their faces. Want to be “successful in politics/gain power?”

Lie. Lie your ass off and people will open wide and say, “thank you sir- may I have another!?”


Dems are scratching their heads and asking, “was it this that or the other decision kamala made and should she have this that or the other?”


hahahahahahahahaha!


No one called out fox news,rupert murdoch, right wing liars and showed their lies and disproved their lies.
no politician said- “Trump,fox, Gop- ARE ALL LYING TO YOUR FACE- Wake the fuck up!”

Instead, they normalized the liars, the criminals and instead said, “i will install a 25k housing credit…i will blah blah”

while the liars were saying, “she is dumb…we will deport criminals (even though HE is a criminal) we will make Nazi germany great again!”


Lie. It is what stupid sleeping people on auto-pilot crave and want and can NEVER EVER GET ENOUGH OF!.

[Spurs Homer]

I don't buy it. This election was a middle finger at Biden and the DNC just like the last one was a middle finger at Trump and the previous one a middle finger at Clinton and the DNC.

You are looking at a political answer..and are probably right…
but the psychological solution and the state of the HYPNOTIZED americans is being ignored again at our own peril…

they sided with the criminals/liars because propaganda/lies were injected into their veins 24/7 and 52-54 percent of americans are basically programmed zombies falling in line into a 1930’s germany state of delusion all over again.

[Leetonidas]

Terrifying numbers for Dems. Massive expansion of Trump's base.

https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/1854381268328198515

https://x.com/axios/status/1854504309213306882

Obviously they're still counting in NV and AZ but right now it looks like Trump has less votes than he did in 2020. Not sure I'd call that a massive expansion so much as a massive fumble by the Dems

[hater]

Terrifying numbers for Dems. Massive expansion of Trump's base.

https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/1854381268328198515

https://x.com/axios/status/1854504309213306882


Base???


Lol no
Kamala was just a vomit inducing candidate

Combination of Kamala, Genocide and Inflation made most normal humans to vote Dump or not vote

In 2 years Dumps stupidity wil likely lose him the House and in 2028 itll be all mostly back to normal :lmao

[Winehole23]

1854580728874385411https://x.com/DougJBalloon/status/1854580728874385411

[resistanze]

:lol Americans are so fucking dumb, treating democracy as supporting events for candidates that wouldn't piss on you.

Still love living here and making copious amounts of money tbh, don't run it into the ground too fast

[TSA]

Obviously they're still counting in NV and AZ but right now it looks like Trump has less votes than he did in 2020. Not sure I'd call that a massive expansion so much as a massive fumble by the Dems

https://x.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1854494096611524890

[hater]

:lol Americans are so fucking dumb, treating democracy as supporting events for candidates that wouldn't piss on you.

Still love living here and making copious amounts of money tbh, don't run it into the ground too fast

You really think candidates in other countries are any different???


:lmao jokes on you

[resistanze]

You really think candidates in other countries are any different???


:lmao jokes on you

Having a two party system where you're replacing a senile octogenarian with a billionaire big-city populist octogenarian (again) is peak retarded for the world's best democracy. What an utter lack of imagination and capitulation from the populace. At least in Sudan they don't front - you just get no choice :lol

[TSA]

https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/1854023940168884690

[Splits]

https://i.ibb.co/NgvYLrv/image.png

Could Bidet been any more out of touch?? :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

I said this many many years ago…and have always known this fact:

People LOVE - and WANT- to be lied to.
Propaganda works. The old playbook worked in 1930’s Germany because it worked….until hundreds of millions of dead bodies signaled that maybe worshipping an evil liar criminal was not such a good idea…

but for that guy to stand there and recite from an old playbook and lie to the masses…it brought him to unfettered power….until the violent end.

Right wing/rupert murdoch media…works 24/7 on lies and the masses get hypnotized and it just works.

Our country is the envy of the planet and our recovery the fastest and best on the planet…but
americans….”arent feeling it!”

That was due to the the alternate reality created and it worked. Like a charm. LIE TO THEM 24/7! Get the best and biggest liars on the planet and the masses will vote them into power.

People love to be lied to their faces. Want to be “successful in politics/gain power?”

Lie. Lie your ass off and people will open wide and say, “thank you sir- may I have another!?”


Dems are scratching their heads and asking, “was it this that or the other decision kamala made and should she have this that or the other?”


hahahahahahahahaha!


No one called out fox news,rupert murdoch, right wing liars and showed their lies and disproved their lies.
no politician said- “Trump,fox, Gop- ARE ALL LYING TO YOUR FACE- Wake the fuck up!”

Instead, they normalized the liars, the criminals and instead said, “i will install a 25k housing credit…i will blah blah”

while the liars were saying, “she is dumb…we will deport criminals (even though HE is a criminal) we will make Nazi germany great again!”


Lie. It is what stupid sleeping people on auto-pilot crave and want and can NEVER EVER GET ENOUGH OF!.

https://c.tenor.com/aU2fg3RF4swAAAAC/tenor.gif

[TSA]

https://x.com/AriFleischer/status/1854270972775305291

[TSA]

https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/1854568993689833774

[SnakeBoy]

https://x.com/AriFleischer/status/1854270972775305291

Nutshell

[FrostKing]

I said this many many years ago…and have always known this fact:

People LOVE - and WANT- to be lied to.
Propaganda works. The old playbook worked in 1930’s Germany because it worked….until hundreds of millions of dead bodies signaled that maybe worshipping an evil liar criminal was not such a good idea…


I'll give you the cold hard truth. Few cared until they started losing the War i.e all those Scientists the USA imported. Not how many "foreigners" they deported or even buried. Nazi Germany hosting the Olympics set an International standard. One could even argue as long as Trump doesn't dwarf into a Warmonger, he can pull it off.

This playbook you speak of is being currently used by almost every nation that has been recently butt fucked by mass migration. That's the correlation. Not a nation 100 years ago, that didn't face mass migration and was even coming off the heels of population drop.

[z0sa]

I continue to believe the democrats' best chance is going wide left, leaving the center behind, and losing an election cycle or few. Eventually Democrats get another mandate because people are looking to "the other guy" like they always do in this 2 party bullshit, and then they get everything they say people need done. They won't do it, though. They'll try to move even further right while still keeping the facade of identity politics, supporting boys in girls' locker rooms and girls' sports, pronouns, etc etc etc.

Democratic party is dead in the water. Their big go-to - and one even I personally thought would be successful, at least to some degree - was demographic change. They never stopped to think that Latinos, for instead, wouldn't become conservative when they started being successful and find the identity politics trash. Gen Z men do not suddenly care more about women or their rights, in fact, quite the opposite with the burgeoning incel rhetoric. Feminists are not going to suddenly change and like men, dude, because they're younger and supposedly going to be more progressive :lol it's a joke at this point. I have to admit that I thought the country would be "better", but it's not, and that's the practical reality. Sunk cost fallacy is present, right now, for democrats - they need to realize it and change.

They need themselves a good liar, who's rich, male, and probably white. Who is willing to dispute elections for his own pride, shove through left-wing shit with the narrowest of margins, and blame everything, including lots of shit that isn't Republicans' fault, on Republicans. Doubt it'll happen.

[ChumpDumper]

Meh, it seems to be mostly fallout from inflation. Once the Republicans fuck things up again we'll see what happens.

[koriwhat]

They need themselves a good liar, who's rich, male, and probably white. Who is willing to dispute elections for his own pride, shove through left-wing shit with the narrowest of margins, and blame everything, including lots of shit that isn't Republicans' fault, on Republicans. Doubt it'll happen.

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