Whitmer/Shapiro 2028?

[Millennial_Messiah]

That's got to be the ticket, regardless of who is the presidential candidate and who is VP.

The focus MUST be winning back the purple wall, or else those states will keep trending red off a cliff and stay red forever. Hell, Illinois was a pathetic 8% margin in favor of Harris, and 5% in Minnesota. There's clear exodus across the board in the Democratic party in the upper Midwest and they must do their damnedest to stop the bleeding, because there really isn't another realistic pathway to the White House for the Democrats considering how far red Texas and Florida have trended.


My money all along since Spring 2020 was that Gretchen Whitmer was going to be the first female President in U.S. History. She's a vindictive, powerful boss lady in the mold of a reverse-DeSantis. Kamala just never gave off alpha woman vibes, like ever, and Hillary was a coattail rider, a killer, unlikeable, and full of myriad scandals.


What do you think?

[MarioSpeedwagon]

That whole thing where whitmer was feeding a Catholic cake to some girl on her knees was offputting

[Millennial_Messiah]

That whole thing where whitmer was feeding a Catholic cake to some girl on her knees was offputting

her Covid policy in 2020 was worse... but Trump's sure done a lot of "offputting" stuff and Vance, the likely 2028 GOP Nominee, has made some "offputting" gaffes in his day.

[HemisfairArena]

I said earlier this year that Harris was stupid not picking Shapiro in the first place over taking Walz,,,, Democrats have learned their lesson in running women at the top of the ticket,,,, Shapiro would be the top dog with Whitmer as VP nominee. Micelle Obama would be the only one that would have a chance at winning it, tbh,,,,,

[Millennial_Messiah]

I said earlier this year that Harris was stupid not picking Shapiro in the first place over taking Walz,,,, Democrats have learned their lesson in running women at the top of the ticket,,,, Shapiro would be the top dog with Whitmer as VP nominee. Micelle Obama would be the only one that would have a chance at winning it, tbh,,,,,
I just think running back to back black women would look like the Dems are the DEI party... Michelle also failed to get Kamala over the hump or replace her, tbh.


I agree with you it's got to be Shapiro. I mean, the Jewish vote took a MASSIVE rightward turn, look at the margins in New Jersey, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Illinois, with results still to come in Jewish areas of California. I mean, look at Michael Lawler's district and the margin he won by.

The voters sent a very clear message that Jewish Lives Matter.

Despite Michigan having nearly as many Muslims as Jews statewide (and far more in Wayne County)... Elissa Slotkin, the Israel-first Jew, won on a very unlikely split-ticket outcome by 0.3% in the Trump State of Michigan.

At the end of the day, the Israel-Gaza conflict cost Harris both Michigan and Pennsylvania, and they narrowly held Minnesota and New Jersey...!!. They have to win back that voter base and affirm that, watermelon protesters be damned, that the Democrats are the party that, unwaveringly stands behind Israel 100%.

Is that not right, Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032).

[SnakeBoy]

It'll be one or the other, not both. That decision will be made before the primaries. I think it will be Jew Obama.

[spurraider21]

4 years is a ways away

Shapiro is an obvious possibility at this point. Someone very popular in Pennsylvania, good speaker (Obama clone). Doesn't have the stench of being crazy far left (even if that stench is usually incorrectly attributed to people like Biden). Right now he's been governor for like 2 years and was a state AG before that. Very little national profile, but perhaps that's not a bad thing. He's someone who sounds great in stump speeches. I don't know how it translates to the interview/TV spots.

Buttigieg... is kind of the opposite. In that we've seen him be effective and tactful in TV/interview spots where he spars with Fox folks and comes across quite well. I don't know if it translates to riling up crowds or getting people motivated to get out and vote. Those are two different skills. But for someone who was secretary of transportation, he was getting quite a bit of face time.

I imagine Newsom will try to increase his national profile. I'm not sure there's appetite for him. What I will say is he tends to be more likeable the more he's seen. When you just hear about him, you just think uhh limousine liberal, coastal democrat, elitist, greasy politician, etc. But I think he actually does pretty damn well in TV/interview spots. The more people actually hear him speak than just hearing about him, the better he comes across imo.

Those are the top 3 obvious ones that come to mind. Could also be one of the newer faces like Gallego if he wins the seat and has some shining moments. Another darkhorse, no pun intended, could be Warnock. He's already won 2 elections in Georgia and that's no small thing. Also definitely doesnt come across as snobbish/elitist or anything like that if that's the image concern people have.

[baseline bum]

Will be an easy map to predict

https://i.ibb.co/6R2mYpJ/2028.png

[baseline bum]

I said earlier this year that Harris was stupid not picking Shapiro in the first place over taking Walz,,,, Democrats have learned their lesson in running women at the top of the ticket,,,, Shapiro would be the top dog with Whitmer as VP nominee. Micelle Obama would be the only one that would have a chance at winning it, tbh,,,,,

There is no way Shapiro was being VP to a candidate he would have skullfucked in a primary.

[z0sa]

No way they trot out another woman unless they're really, really stupid. The gender thing doesn't work, we've already seen the results twice. We actually know even more now that the gender thing doesn't make up any ground with Gen Z at all, so the idea that demographics alone could propel change is as good as dead.

It should be a man, at minimum, for the foreseeable future or Democrats are just mailing the executive branch in tbh. Not saying I support or think this is a great place for the country to be in, but it is where we are without a doubt.

[baseline bum]

No way they trot out another woman unless they're really, really stupid. The gender thing doesn't work, we've already seen the results twice. We actually know even more now that the gender thing doesn't make up any ground with Gen Z at all, so the idea that demographics alone could propel change is as good as dead.

It should be a man, at minimum, for the foreseeable future or Democrats are just mailing the executive branch in tbh. Not saying I support or think this is a great place for the country to be in, but it is where we are without a doubt.

They're really really stupid. They trotted out a loser who couldn't win a single delegate in the primaries to be the presidential nominee.

[Millennial_Messiah]

4 years is a ways away

Shapiro is an obvious possibility at this point. Someone very popular in Pennsylvania, good speaker (Obama clone). Doesn't have the stench of being crazy far left (even if that stench is usually incorrectly attributed to people like Biden). Right now he's been governor for like 2 years and was a state AG before that. Very little national profile, but perhaps that's not a bad thing. He's someone who sounds great in stump speeches. I don't know how it translates to the interview/TV spots.

Buttigieg... is kind of the opposite. In that we've seen him be effective and tactful in TV/interview spots where he spars with Fox folks and comes across quite well. I don't know if it translates to riling up crowds or getting people motivated to get out and vote. Those are two different skills. But for someone who was secretary of transportation, he was getting quite a bit of face time.

I imagine Newsom will try to increase his national profile. I'm not sure there's appetite for him. What I will say is he tends to be more likeable the more he's seen. When you just hear about him, you just think uhh limousine liberal, coastal democrat, elitist, greasy politician, etc. But I think he actually does pretty damn well in TV/interview spots. The more people actually hear him speak than just hearing about him, the better he comes across imo.

Those are the top 3 obvious ones that come to mind. Could also be one of the newer faces like Gallego if he wins the seat and has some shining moments. Another darkhorse, no pun intended, could be Warnock. He's already won 2 elections in Georgia and that's no small thing. Also definitely doesnt come across as snobbish/elitist or anything like that if that's the image concern people have.

I actually think that Kelly would be the stronger candidate as opposed to Gallego if he holds on in AZ. As far as appetite for Newsom, I agree there might not be so much appetite... coastal elitist, another Cali democrat and all... but do you really think there's be national appetite for a gay guy? There's plenty of homophobic Democrats and minorities who would just sit out, vote third party etc.

[daslicer]

4 years is a ways away

Shapiro is an obvious possibility at this point. Someone very popular in Pennsylvania, good speaker (Obama clone). Doesn't have the stench of being crazy far left (even if that stench is usually incorrectly attributed to people like Biden). Right now he's been governor for like 2 years and was a state AG before that. Very little national profile, but perhaps that's not a bad thing. He's someone who sounds great in stump speeches. I don't know how it translates to the interview/TV spots.

Buttigieg... is kind of the opposite. In that we've seen him be effective and tactful in TV/interview spots where he spars with Fox folks and comes across quite well. I don't know if it translates to riling up crowds or getting people motivated to get out and vote. Those are two different skills. But for someone who was secretary of transportation, he was getting quite a bit of face time.

I imagine Newsom will try to increase his national profile. I'm not sure there's appetite for him. What I will say is he tends to be more likeable the more he's seen. When you just hear about him, you just think uhh limousine liberal, coastal democrat, elitist, greasy politician, etc. But I think he actually does pretty damn well in TV/interview spots. The more people actually hear him speak than just hearing about him, the better he comes across imo.

Those are the top 3 obvious ones that come to mind. Could also be one of the newer faces like Gallego if he wins the seat and has some shining moments. Another darkhorse, no pun intended, could be Warnock. He's already won 2 elections in Georgia and that's no small thing. Also definitely doesnt come across as snobbish/elitist or anything like that if that's the image concern people have.

His sexual orientation will be a big deal nationally. I just can't see him doing well among male voters due to being gay. Democrats need to stay away from having a LGBTQ candidate at the top of the ticket and a woman. That is a surefire way to lose again.

[daslicer]

They're really really stupid. They trotted out a loser who couldn't win a single delegate in the primaries to be the presidential nominee.

Sometimes I wonder if they are really that stupid or are they just trying to self-sabotage themselves.

[baseline bum]

Sometimes I wonder if they are really that stupid or are they just trying to self-sabotage themselves.

This one was genuine stupidity. There was no Bernie Sanders who was going to do a hostile takeover of the party. Shapiro or Whitmer wouldn't have fundamentally changed anything about the DNC but would have both had a great shot of being able to distance themselves from the stink of Biden and DC Democrats and actually win.

[spurraider21]

His sexual orientation will be a big deal nationally. I just can't see him doing well among male voters due to being gay. Democrats need to stay away from having a LGBTQ candidate at the top of the ticket and a woman. That is a surefire way to lose again.
Unfortunately this is probably true

[SnakeBoy]

Jewbama/Buttplug that's the ticket

Do it libs!

[Millennial_Messiah]

His sexual orientation will be a big deal nationally. I just can't see him doing well among male voters due to being gay. Democrats need to stay away from having a LGBTQ candidate at the top of the ticket and a woman. That is a surefire way to lose again.

Male voters, most Christian women (except the ultra woke Roman Catholic leftist types), Hispanics etc.

A lesbian atheist senator like Tammy Baldwin can barely hold on in Wisconsin because the demographics are unusually favorable there... 92% white, huge high turnout white woke college base in Madison, almost no Hispanics, not a super religious state, female majority.

There's a good reason that Wisconsin, not Michigan, was the bluest of the purple wall states this time. Minorities (particularly minority males and religious minorities), not whites, shifted to the right en masse in 2024.

[florige]

They're really really stupid. They trotted out a loser who couldn't win a single delegate in the primaries to be the presidential nominee.

Then someone who was still tied to the Biden admin. But ok I get that . But then you have her talking abortion, abortion, abortion, that was their whole rhetoric. Not bringing up hardly none how bad Trump botched Covid, nothing about the economy really . Hardly bringing up the paid Medicare for senior care whicj was actually huge, no Just abortion 90% of her argument and obviously they were alright with that. Sometimes it feels like the Dems are playing chess against themselves and lose every single time. For all of that they should had just left Biden at the top of the ticket. Not sure how he could had done any worse than Harris did .

[Leetonidas]

No more women, at least not yet. Country isn't ready for it. Same for Pete. He is probably the best candidate but he's gay so sadly it's a non starter imo. I'd be looking at Shapiro or Beshear

[florige]

No more women, at least not yet. Country isn't ready for it. Same for Pete. He is probably the best candidate but he's gay so sadly it's a non starter imo. I'd be looking at Shapiro or Beshear


Beshear is who i was hoping would be the VP pick if she didn’t go with Shapiro

[Millennial_Messiah]

Then someone who was still tied to the Biden admin. But ok I get that . But then you have her talking abortion, abortion, abortion, that was their whole rhetoric. Not bringing up hardly none how bad Trump botched Covid, nothing about the economy really . Hardly bringing up the paid Medicare for senior care whicj was actually huge, no Just abortion 90% of her argument and obviously they were alright with that. Sometimes it feels like the Dems are playing chess against themselves and lose every single time. For all of that they should had just left Biden at the top of the ticket. Not sure how he could had done any worse than Harris did .
Yet if you were running against DeSantis then the abortion argument would have carried more weight, he confirmed he would nationalize the 6 week abortion ban


No more women, at least not yet. Country isn't ready for it. Same for Pete. He is probably the best candidate but he's gay so sadly it's a non starter imo. I'd be looking at Shapiro or Beshear
Agreed. I think America would be ready for a Jewish president but not a gay or woman one.

[GAustex]

Whitmer is pure evil and should be destroyed
Fuck shappero

[Winehole23]

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[Dirks_Finale]

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I think there's a good chance it's Newsome. The guy is a slick speaker and a solid debater, tbh. He gives Independent vibes even though he's far left.

The Cackling hyena/empty pant suit is by far the worst candidate of all time. The DEI era has made Mondale look like a solid choice...

[Splits]

Cuban.

[Thread]

Cuban.

Splits!!!
Sweetheart!!!!!!
Pumpkinpuss!!!!!!!!!

You got whooped again, sonny-boy, by White man from town.

[GAustex]

In a freakn landslide

[Millennial_Messiah]

Cuban.

Eh maybe the Bloomberg 2020 primary candidate achetype


Dems need not to run (a) a very, very old white man from the old establishment or (b) a DEI candidate, for at least three cycles.

[SnakeBoy]

AOC will be old enough

[SnakeBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/cmo1pvh.png

[Dirks_Finale]

Please, please run again, Hillary.

I'm sure the DNC will rig it for her again, guaranteeing Vance wins in 2028 :lol

[GAustex]

AOC gonna run

[baseline bum]

I think there's a good chance it's Newsome. The guy is a slick speaker and a solid debater, tbh. He gives Independent vibes even though he's far left.

The Cackling hyena/empty pant suit is by far the worst candidate of all time. The DEI era has made Mondale look like a solid choice...

What the fuck is far left about Newsom? I must have missed when he seized the means of production to give to the workers.

[baseline bum]

Newsom is the same kind of tone deaf liberal the DNC will love and the voters will fucking hate.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Newsom is the same kind of tone deaf liberal the DNC will love and the voters will fucking hate.

Meanwhile Shapiro isn't good enough for the DNC because he's not tall enough or whatever bullshit excuse.



What the fuck is far left about Newsom? I must have missed when he seized the means of production to give to the workers.
Way too many regulations, draconian shutdown Covid policy, highest taxes in the USA, gas taxes and gas prices stick out like a sore thumb, everything is way too fucking expensive, handouts for illegals but nothing for U.S. Citizens, etc

[ElNono]

Republicans still pushing the Shillary wet dream? :lmao

[baseline bum]

Republicans still pushing the Shillary wet dream? :lmao

Actually would have been an upgrade over Harris.

[ElNono]

Actually would have been an upgrade over Harris.

She still loses.

[baseline bum]

She still loses.

Just saying Harris is dogshit, knew she was going to blow it

[GAustex]

We all knew she would be good at blowing it

[ElNono]

Just saying Harris is dogshit, knew she was going to blow it

I know what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing. I simply underestimated the short memory of your average american.

[SnakeBoy]

AOC gonna run

Yeah I think she will. She'll be a force in the dem primary tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah I think she will. She'll be a force in the dem primary tbh

Superdelegates will cook her chances of winning the nomination because the DNC knows she'd get cooked in the general tbh.

After Kamala the Dems are better off not nominating anyone who could be seen as a "DEI" candidate for at least a few general election cycles. So no AOC, Wes Moore, Warnock, etc. Well, a Jewish man who can pass as white is acceptable, especially given the situation with Israel. But on the heels of Kamala getting cooked, you'd be especially stupid to nominate two consecutive minority females.

[ElNono]

Superdelegates will cook her chances of winning the nomination because the DNC knows she'd get cooked in the general tbh.

After Kamala the Dems are better off not nominating anyone who could be seen as a "DEI" candidate for at least a few general election cycles. So no AOC, Wes Moore, Warnock, etc. Well, a Jewish man who can pass as white is acceptable, especially given the situation with Israel. But on the heels of Kamala getting cooked, you'd be especially stupid to nominate two consecutive minority females.

I don't think Dems need to do much, tbh. Just let Trump replicate his first term, then run a white guy.

[HemisfairArena]

I don't think Dems need to do much, tbh. Just let Trump replicate his first term, then run a white guy.

Yeah because the most popular democrat president of all time was named Obama and black,,,,,,

[florige]

Newsom is the same kind of tone deaf liberal the DNC will love and the voters will fucking hate.


Until the stupid Dems get out of their head that they have to run a candidate that the voters actually want, no matter how “unpresidential” they think that person may be we are going to continue to lose these elections . It’s obvious now no one gives a crap about how “presidential” the candidates look anymore. They really got fortunate with Obama because he somehow was able to channel both qualities they were looking for. Until they man up and nominate a Bernie type of candidate, or just not totally set a coup up for the candidate they don’t like but the people do, this will continue to happen. The Dems and their media talking heads kept trying to recreate a Obama in these last two woman they ran and both have failed miserably. The last worse than the first one and I didn’t think that would be possible. I remember sitting listening to one of Harris’s latter campaign rally speeches and I literally remember thinking to myself, sheesh she sucks. I mean I literally saw nothing that she provided that would sway any undecided voters, or someone on the fence about her. I talked to my black male friend’s who were super hyped about Obama here in MD who literally didn’t give a darn about Harris or anything she was saying, and quite honestly weren’t even listening. The o only thing they told me about her was that “she messed up at the border” Every stinking rally she literally gave to same speech and literally used the same content every single rally she did. I really think she was given a script to go off of and was told not to deviate from it . And I’m not even joking. It’s like the Republicans have gotten with the program and know that they have to evolve as the voting electorate does, the Dems are still stuck in 2000 or something. The republicans already know that Trump owns the party and they have accepted that and learned to live with it because it’s either that, or lose total control. The Dems aren’t ready to surrender that control to a single person yet and that’s why we have Trump 2016 and 2024

[baseline bum]

Until the stupid Dems get out of their head that they have to run a candidate that the voters actually want, no matter how “unpresidential” they think that person may be we are going to continue to lose these elections . It’s obvious now no one gives a crap about how “presidential” the candidates look anymore. They really got fortunate with Obama because he somehow was able to channel both qualities they were looking for. Until they man up and nominate a Bernie type of candidate, or just not totally set a coup up for the candidate they don’t like but the people do, this will continue to happen. The Dems and their media talking heads kept trying to recreate a Obama in these last two woman they ran and both have failed miserably. The last worse than the first one and I didn’t think that would be possible. I remember sitting listening to one of Harris’s latter campaign rally speeches and I literally remember thinking to myself, sheesh she sucks. I mean I literally saw nothing that she provided that would sway any undecided voters, or someone on the fence about her. I talked to my black male friend’s who were super hyped about Obama here in MD who literally didn’t give a darn about Harris or anything she was saying, and quite honestly weren’t even listening. The o only thing they told me about her was that “she messed up at the border” Every stinking rally she literally gave to same speech and literally used the same content every single rally she did. I really think she was given a script to go off of and was told not to deviate from it . And I’m not even joking. It’s like the Republicans have gotten with the program and know that they have to evolve as the voting electorate does, the Dems are still stuck in 2000 or something. The republicans already know that Trump owns the party and they have accepted that and learned to live with it because it’s either that, or lose total control. The Dems aren’t ready to surrender that control to a single person yet and that’s why we have Trump 2016 and 2024

The Democrats would much rather keep losing elections than move to the left and nominate an actual centrist like Bernie.

[ElNono]

Yeah because the most popular democrat president of all time was named Obama and black,,,,,,

I don't know about that... Bill Clinton was just about as popular and didn't polarize the racist portion of white trash.

[ElNono]

Until the stupid Dems get out of their head that they have to run a candidate that the voters actually want, no matter how “unpresidential” they think that person may be we are going to continue to lose these elections . It’s obvious now no one gives a crap about how “presidential” the candidates look anymore. They really got fortunate with Obama because he somehow was able to channel both qualities they were looking for. Until they man up and nominate a Bernie type of candidate, or just not totally set a coup up for the candidate they don’t like but the people do, this will continue to happen. The Dems and their media talking heads kept trying to recreate a Obama in these last two woman they ran and both have failed miserably. The last worse than the first one and I didn’t think that would be possible. I remember sitting listening to one of Harris’s latter campaign rally speeches and I literally remember thinking to myself, sheesh she sucks. I mean I literally saw nothing that she provided that would sway any undecided voters, or someone on the fence about her. I talked to my black male friend’s who were super hyped about Obama here in MD who literally didn’t give a darn about Harris or anything she was saying, and quite honestly weren’t even listening. The o only thing they told me about her was that “she messed up at the border” Every stinking rally she literally gave to same speech and literally used the same content every single rally she did. I really think she was given a script to go off of and was told not to deviate from it . And I’m not even joking. It’s like the Republicans have gotten with the program and know that they have to evolve as the voting electorate does, the Dems are still stuck in 2000 or something. The republicans already know that Trump owns the party and they have accepted that and learned to live with it because it’s either that, or lose total control. The Dems aren’t ready to surrender that control to a single person yet and that’s why we have Trump 2016 and 2024

It's going to be Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, etc... maybe Cuban if he runs, IMO. More of the same, basically.

I think they figured out a long time ago neither party really caters to the needs of the vast majority of people and all they have to do is let incumbency destroy itself (see Trump, Biden)

Ultimately all these campaigns are largely bankrolled by bankers, hedge funds and high roller interest groups. ie: the newly minted Treasury Secretary pick worked for Soros.

Pretty transparent at this point, tbh

[Winehole23]

BlackRock was Trump's administrator in chief for the CARES Act, the PPP and the alphabet soup of special Fed lending facilities in the wake of the onset of COVID

In principle, BlackRock can run a social safety net for the USA, they already did that when Trump hired them in 2020. Outsourcing public health, transportation and welfare is a sign of national decadence. It's also inefficient.

(pay more for less coverage, the Medicare Advantage paradox)

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't think Dems need to do much, tbh. Just let Trump replicate his first term, then run a white guy.

Yup, like I said, no "DEI" candidates for the Dems for a few cycles. I think even a guy like Beshear or Cooper could beat Vance or DeSantis. I'm skeptical of Newsom just given that the general public and moderates nationwide have soured on California for at least the last decade or so.

[ElNono]

Yup, like I said, no "DEI" candidates for the Dems for a few cycles. I think even a guy like Beshear or Cooper could beat Vance or DeSantis. I'm skeptical of Newsom just given that the general public and moderates nationwide have soured on California for at least the last decade or so.

If Dennison's second term continues the trend of GOP presidents wrecking the economy, you could probably run the dead corpse of Joe Biden again... just needs to be male and white.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah because the most popular democrat president of all time was named Obama and black,,,,,,

Which made you lose your minds an motivated you to make sure no one but white men could make it again.

[HemisfairArena]

Which made you lose your minds an motivated you to make sure no one but white men could make it again.

LMAO,,,,you stupid fuck,,,,who lost their minds and tried to assassinate a presidential candidate not once but twice because they hate him?,,,,,I guess we can factually say ya'll hate white people since you tried to kill him. Answer that, Chumper,,,,was Obama ever shot at like Trump was?,,,,yes or no?,,,,so who lost their minds, dumbshit?,,,,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

LMAO,,,,you stupid fuck,,,,who lost their minds and tried to assassinate a presidential candidate not once but twice because they hate him?Republicans.

[HemisfairArena]

Republicans.

Chumper folds again,,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Chumper folds again,,,,,,No, they were Republicans.

[HemisfairArena]

No, they were Republicans.

Did anybody try to assassinate Obama?,,,,,,Chumper folds again,,,,,

[ChumpDumper]

Did anybody try to assassinate Obama?,Yes. They were thwarted in the planning stages.