It is time to address Wembanyama’s occasional soft and lazy play…

[Brazil]

Can you name one player in the league that has a higher energy expenditure than Wemby on both ends combined while also being the main/sole focus of the opposite team?

don't bother, dat poland dude is not a fan of Victor since the beginning, you will see him appear at every mediocre game regurgiting the same stuff

[polandprzem]

Can you name one player in the league that has a higher energy expenditure than Wemby on both ends combined while also being the main/sole focus of the opposite team?
You mean in watts?

[polandprzem]

don't bother, dat poland dude is not a fan of Victor since the beginning, you will see him appear at every mediocre game regurgiting the same stuff
things you know

[Pauleta14]

You mean in watts?

I assume this humorous attempt means you don't have any name.

Thx.

[polandprzem]

I assume this humorous attempt means you don't have any name.

Thx.

Every single team has player that work his ass off. Wemby is not the only player in the league that is central aim from other defenses.

[LeBowen]

Every single team has player that work his ass off. Wemby is not the only player in the league that is central aim from other defenses.

Find me an all-star who is also on all-defense level and has a worse second option on offense.

[Pauleta14]

Every single team has player that work his ass off. Wemby is not the only player in the league that is central aim from other defenses.

I asked you a simple question mate...

The key word being "combined".

We can all see Wemby's struggles in contacts but calling a dude that takes every challenge at the rim "soft" and spends more energy + has more focus on him than any other player in the league BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT at 21 in his 2nd season is just insane.

The way even us take what Wemby does for granted is embarrassing tbh

Every player are avoiding him and doing U-Turns this season but he still managed to raise his block/game stat bc he baits and chases them, doesn't just get them bc he's tall, while adding more offensive volume.

You need to chill

[Brazil]

things you know

indeed

maybe you should root for another team tbh... it sucks when your team is building everything around a guy you dislike... :cry dat 7'4 shooting 3s :cry

[rjv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPp__4nGBD0

I think this season Wemby had already been dunked on more times than his entire rookie season.

Edey and Morant dunked on him today


this may come as a shock to ESPN but shot blockers get dunked on from time to time.

[Seventyniner]

this may come as a shock to ESPN but shot blockers get dunked on from time to time.

Wemby challenges a lot of shots.
Ja is ridiculously athletic.
Water is wet.

[scott]

this may come as a shock to ESPN but shot blockers get dunked on from time to time.

Yep. I'll gladly accept all the Wemby posters, because it means he is challenging dunks (not just letting the other team have them), and he's going to block a fair share of them.

Getting postered is just the price of being a willing and able rim protector.

[slick'81]

Everyone wants to dunk on wemby

[ambchang]

indeed

maybe you should root for another team tbh... it sucks when your team is building everything around a guy you dislike... :cry dat 7'4 shooting 3s :cry

Nah. He spent a year and a half talking about how wemby has to bulk up to some 7’5” Schwarzenegger to be effective or he’s be injured all the time and ineffective. Wemby didn’t bulk up so the only way to still maintain being right is to say wemby isn’t that good, which, while difficult to defend, is still easier to argue against hard numbers like weight measurements.

[spursistan]

Mitch Johnson sucks, but anyone still denying that Wemby has a little 'soft' gene in him? Can you imagine Duncan response on national TV after getting rag-dolled with viral poster the next day against the same opponent?

[spursistan]

Mitch Johnson sucks, but anyone still denying that Wemby has a little 'soft' gene in him? Can you imagine Duncan response on national TV after getting rag-dolled with viral poster the next day against the same opponent?
Welp, hate how this "soft" narrative is starting to catch on on twitter. :pctoss

[DesignatedT]

Wemby looked sick tonight or something. Definitely think something was going on with him.

[baseline bum]

Wemby looked sick tonight or something. Definitely think something was going on with him.

Starting to wonder if it really is cedar pollen allergies. They wrecked him last year and he had some pretty bad games this time of year at home then too, though this has been a super tame cedar pollen season thanks to the ridiculous drought. If you're not from the area mid December to mid February we get a really nasty tree pollen, especially when we have a cold front come in since it brings a NW wind from the hill country where these pos juniperus ashei trees that produce that pollen grow. Though this year's flu strain is supposed to be really nasty too so maybe that's it?

[Donald Sterling.]

I'm no doctor but the only allergy Wembolbol suffers from seems to be to the painted area.

Him being 7'4 with 0 ft's in 31 mins is beyond embarrassing tbh :lol

[John B]

I'm no doctor but the only allergy Wembolbol suffers from seems to be to the painted area.

Him being 7'4 with 0 ft's in 31 mins is beyond embarrassing tbh :lol

What’s embarrassing is being a Clippers fan

[z0sa]

Eh, I wouldn't call his play over the last few soft but I would say he's not taking enough risks when shit starts rolling downhill in a hurry.

If you're being bullied out of position and the game is circling the drain, you've got to start throwing your body around, selling and forcing some calls, at least. Make them change their mindset a bit, get in their head at least in terms of not knowing how you'll react on any given play, and hopefully help the whistles make the "right" decision so you can get some space. I feel like Wemby gets into a funk where everything he does has to be A++ Perfect in his own mind. Stop that, start playing the players in front of you instead of just playing the game so to speak, while realizing being a 1A requires some acting as well as forgiveness (of yourself). Just my 2 cents

[spursistan]

I'm no doctor but the only allergy Wembolbol suffers from seems to be to the painted area.

Him being 7'4 with 0 ft's in 31 mins is beyond embarrassing tbh :lol
Not even DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) can deny that Wemby is playing a soft brand of basketball right now . Just look at the minutes/Free throw Attempts columns. The last two games are flat out shameful for a 'franchise big' and it should ring few alarm bells.

https://i.imgur.com/n2hbjaP.png
https://imgur.com/a/h7EzUVR

[tbdog]

He looks gassed. Long offseason. Playing bigger minutes this season. Stating to catch up. The team can't survive out there. Also Sochan being out is taking a toll. Sochan is the scrapper he needs.

[widowmaker]

I'm no doctor but the only allergy Wembolbol suffers from seems to be to the painted area.

Him being 7'4 with 0 ft's in 31 mins is beyond embarrassing tbh :lol

Same dude I trolled last summer lmao. How did you like the sandwich?

[polandprzem]

I asked you a simple question mate...

The key word being "combined".

We can all see Wemby's struggles in contacts but calling a dude that takes every challenge at the rim "soft" and spends more energy + has more focus on him than any other player in the league BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT at 21 in his 2nd season is just insane.

The way even us take what Wemby does for granted is embarrassing tbh

Every player are avoiding him and doing U-Turns this season but he still managed to raise his block/game stat bc he baits and chases them, doesn't just get them bc he's tall, while adding more offensive volume.

You need to chill

Give me top10 energy expenditure players in NBA :)

[polandprzem]

Nah. He spent a year and a half talking about how wemby has to bulk up to some 7’5” Schwarzenegger to be effective or he’s be injured all the time and ineffective. Wemby didn’t bulk up so the only way to still maintain being right is to say wemby isn’t that good, which, while difficult to defend, is still easier to argue against hard numbers like weight measurements.
You simply are an idiot tbh. At least get the facts straight. Or quote an actual post.

Your av pic is you I suppose

[polandprzem]

Not even DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) can deny that Wemby is playing a soft brand of basketball right now . Just look at the minutes/Free throw Attempts columns. The last two games are flat out shameful for a 'franchise big' and it should ring few alarm bells.

https://i.imgur.com/n2hbjaP.png
https://imgur.com/a/h7EzUVR

Nothing new. He is not strong enough and is not willing to get his hands dirty inside. He plays outside. That's his game.

[ambchang]

You simply are an idiot tbh. At least get the facts straight. Or quote an actual post.

Your av pic is you I suppose

For somebody to trains like the hulk I’m surprised you are so sensitive.

[John B]

Not even DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) can deny that Wemby is playing a soft brand of basketball right now . Just look at the minutes/Free throw Attempts columns. The last two games are flat out shameful for a 'franchise big' and it should ring few alarm bells.

https://i.imgur.com/n2hbjaP.png
https://imgur.com/a/h7EzUVR

I don’t know why Spurs want Wemby to bait foul. He’s averaging 35.2 mpg playing the best two-way in the league, leading the team in scoring and the league in blocked shots, contesting even 3’s. Why risk injuries on the franchise player banging low? He’s not a finished product and still very much getting bigger, NBA stronger. Till then I’d bubblewrap this kid. The Spurs would be among the worst teams without Wemby.

[polandprzem]

For somebody to trains like the hulk I’m surprised you are so sensitive.

Lazy bum like you knows best

[Sugus]

Not even DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) can deny that Wemby is playing a soft brand of basketball right now . Just look at the minutes/Free throw Attempts columns. The last two games are flat out shameful for a 'franchise big' and it should ring few alarm bells.

https://i.imgur.com/n2hbjaP.png
https://imgur.com/a/h7EzUVR

It's plenty easy to "deny" (debunk, rather), and your myopic analysis is almost enough debunking by its stupid self.

Imagine judging whether the 21YO, DPOY-to-be & first scoring option, is "soft" or not based on his free throws? In an NBA where the softest of players are most often rewarded with free throws themselves as they foul-bait to get them...

Yeah, I'm sure Wemby is softer than "hard and tough" players like Harden or Embiid just because he didn't land FTs in two games, against a top defensive team, while trying to carry the team on both ends..... How long until your "Inside the NBA" apparition? :rolleyes


Welp, hate how this "soft" narrative is starting to catch on on twitter. :pctoss

Ahh, you're getting your shit from Xitter. Should've known, it was obvious.

[Pauleta14]

Give me top10 energy expenditure players in NBA :)

Are you really asking me to answer the rhetorical question I just asked you?

Nice one :lol

[Pauleta14]

You simply are an idiot tbh. At least get the facts straight. Or quote an actual post.

Your av pic is you I suppose
We can disagree on some and agree on other topics, you nailed it on this one... :bobo

[polandprzem]

Are you really asking me to answer the rhetorical question I just asked you?

Nice one :lol
Rhetorical question? :lmao


I asked you if you want it in watts ? But you haven't yet give me a base for the measurements.

If you have in no way platform to measure what you asked me it means that you talk right from your ass. But whatever dude.

[Pauleta14]

Rhetorical question? :lmao


I asked you if you want it in watts ? But you haven't yet give me a base for the measurements.

If you have in no way platform to measure what you asked me it means that you talk right from your ass. But whatever dude.

I did describe it tho...

A player that has a bigger importance and more focus from the opposite team on both ends combined with less help.

Not sure how any data can help, just give me a few names if you can. It shouldn't be tough

[polandprzem]

I did describe it tho...

A player that has a bigger importance and more focus from the opposite team on both ends combined with less help.

Not sure how any data can help, just give me a few names if you can. It shouldn't be tough

Do not change your question.

You was talking about energy expenditure.

So I would like to know how you measured it?


On the other hand Wemby does not have to face as much double teams like Shai or Cade Cunningham with playmaking and taking care of the ball. Curry is playmaking and running the screens etc. So tbh idk how much more Wemby does when he is no 18 in scoring and 8 in rebs. number 60in FG%.

As much as he have to do. Still he is not the one and only player that using more energy then others.

[scott]

My expectation is that Wemby will have another mediocre game Sunday against MIA, and then go nuclear for two games in Paris.

[LeBowen]

So I would like to know how you measured it?

He's involved in every single play on defense and his sheer presence deters so many shots that would've been attempted against any other big.
He very rarely gives up on defensive plays and contests he could've been involved in, runs out to 3pt line to contest even whe he doesn't have a chance to block the shot etc.


On the other hand Wemby does not have to face as much double teams like Shai or Cade Cunningham with playmaking and taking care of the ball. Curry is playmaking and running the screens etc. So tbh idk how much more Wemby does when he is no 18 in scoring and 8 in rebs. number 60in FG%.

Are you watching the game? Whenever he has the ball inside the 3pt line, there are at least 2 defenders on him, often times he's collapsing 3 or 4 opponents into the paint.
While guards that bring the ball up while pressured expend more energy to get there, playing in the paint is still way harder because he constantly gets pushed and pulled out of position. Even worse for Wemby because he's got no strength whatsoever.

He obviously needs to improve his conditioning and get stronger over the next few years, but some of you have ridiculous expectations of a 21 year old who's already by far the best defender in the league and an all-star on offense.
I'd even say that him struggling while we're not good yet is better because it will push him to improve even more and it's easier for PATFO to get their heads out of their asses and make some moves.

This roster is horrible and making the playoffs just because other play-in candidates are also seriously struggling would mask the issues and wouldn't force them to make difficult decisions in the summer.

[z0sa]

I don’t know why Spurs want Wemby to bait foul. He’s averaging 35.2 mpg playing the best two-way in the league, leading the team in scoring and the league in blocked shots, contesting even 3’s. Why risk injuries on the franchise player banging low? He’s not a finished product and still very much getting bigger, NBA stronger. Till then I’d bubblewrap this kid. The Spurs would be among the worst teams without Wemby.

The Spurs are among the worst teams WITH Wemby. When is that going to change is really the pressing question that every legit Spurs fan has to be wondering right now tbh

[polandprzem]

He's involved in every single play on defense and his sheer presence deters so many shots that would've been attempted against any other big.
He very rarely gives up on defensive plays and contests he could've been involved in, runs out to 3pt line to contest even whe he doesn't have a chance to block the shot etc.



Are you watching the game? Whenever he has the ball inside the 3pt line, there are at least 2 defenders on him, often times he's collapsing 3 or 4 opponents into the paint.
While guards that bring the ball up while pressured expend more energy to get there, playing in the paint is still way harder because he constantly gets pushed and pulled out of position. Even worse for Wemby because he's got no strength whatsoever.

He obviously needs to improve his conditioning and get stronger over the next few years, but some of you have ridiculous expectations of a 21 year old who's already by far the best defender in the league and an all-star on offense.
I'd even say that him struggling while we're not good yet is better because it will push him to improve even more and it's easier for PATFO to get their heads out of their asses and make some moves.

This roster is horrible and making the playoffs just because other play-in candidates are also seriously struggling would mask the issues and wouldn't force them to make difficult decisions in the summer.

Not me if you refers to my post.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Nothing new. He is not strong enough and is not willing to get his hands dirty inside. He plays outside. That's his game.

Tired of this excuse... He is 7'5 245... He should be able and willing to back down Fred Vanvleet... When he passed the ball out without even attempting to back him down I was shocked

[Pauleta14]

Do not change your question.

You was talking about energy expenditure.

So I would like to know how you measured it?


On the other hand Wemby does not have to face as much double teams like Shai or Cade Cunningham with playmaking and taking care of the ball. Curry is playmaking and running the screens etc. So tbh idk how much more Wemby does when he is no 18 in scoring and 8 in rebs. number 60in FG%.

As much as he have to do. Still he is not the one and only player that using more energy then others.

I don't think there is a way to find this data, but it doesn't matter, just asking for your opinion if u had other players in mind. Just naked eye impression...

So SGA Cade and Curry? Really? :lol

None of them are a target on defense, none have the same activity nor production. Not even close

SGA is the closest that make sense but he is surrounded by the best defenders in the league and u wanna compare with Wemby who's by himself?

Curry onlyever played on one side of the floor so I don't even get why u named him tbh.

Cade? Really? Teams are waiting to play Cade? He's a target? Come on bro...

Kawhi is the only name I can find that was impacting both ends at elite levels and even him was always better surrounded = not the sole target of opp teams.

You're making my point with your answer, despite all his limitations what Wemby is already doing in year 2 is not normal and nobody can name a present (or even past player tbh) that has to deal with the same type of advercity when you combine both ends ...

He deserves his lot of criticism, there's still a child in him clearly, he needs to grow up and guess what? He's doing it rather faster than the average human.

Let's focus on what's wrong with the rest of the roster and FO maybe?

[ambchang]

Lazy bum like you knows best

That’s the point, I didn’t know which is why I never thought you’d be senstitve and I was wrong. So does that mean I’m not a lazy bum? And since you you know best in how to train me y does that make you a lazy bum? But then if you are a lazy bum does that mean you aren’t as big as you make yourself out to me on the Internet when there aren’t any proofs?

[ambchang]

We can disagree on some and agree on other topics, you nailed it on this one... :bobo

No surprises you picked the wrong side even though the forum has a search function.


You simply are an idiot tbh. At least get the facts straight. Or quote an actual post.

Your av pic is you I suppose

Sure, you want quotes?


Yea well 30 pds of muscle .... okay


Tbh he should gain more strength in the gym. Those excercises they showed are okay but that abs was weak. bear crawl needs to be done better as the pushups. I think him gaining 20pds first year would be nice


For a 19yro dude not liftingt weights as a sporstman is a crime. He can do flexability work as much as he wants but the body will not take much if not strong.


core stength is not enough


That is so wrong on many levels tbh. You jyst like timvp has no idea how ut works with body development.

Tbqh he is weak inside as I took a look. So it us critical fir him to get stronger. If those exercises they showed are the only one he trains. With all flexability stretch work. They need to find anither coach.
I think in NBA they do know better.

Anyway you di nit separate prigrans to natural and unnatural. They are designed.
In NBA you do have good enhancements but then if your image is pumpin iron kinda sessions... Nope.

To develop strength you do not need juge muscles but they come in handy. And to build muscles it is hard to do when you are basketball player. He would have to go 2 years without basketball to gain muscles and then strength to be satisfying for the nba level as I can see.

Its a shame that at 19 he was not introduced to weights.

Things he needs most are mobility work hypertrophy work then strength going to power abd then speed.

Not also he lacks strength but his knees are bad. Foot butt and legs a must.

20pds by his second season is a must imo. And not much more.

Wembys has to gain strength, lol. But I didn’t get the facts straight. What is it? Wemby doesn’t have to gain strength now? And before you act like drax and act like having no idea how to read sarcasm, some 7’5” schwarzaneggar means a big guy by gaining 20lbs of muscles.

[ginobilized]

I think Sochan's activity on bigs helps Wemby in ways that Barnes cannot. I want to pay more attention to the rotations, but, they missed him defensively recently. His lateral movement, hustle and grit are much needed.

So many times against Memphis that Wemby breaks up or disrupts 3-4 plays only to be defending 2 bigs as the shot clock winds down. JJJ and Edey against Wemby is tough.

An elite PF is still my dream for this team. JJJ, Markkanen, Naz Reid, etc. Someone with size, 3-ball, rebounding, and D.

[DAF86]

Not even DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) can deny that Wemby is playing a soft brand of basketball right now . Just look at the minutes/Free throw Attempts columns. The last two games are flat out shameful for a 'franchise big' and it should ring few alarm bells.

https://i.imgur.com/n2hbjaP.png
https://imgur.com/a/h7EzUVR

Why would I deny it? I'm one of the most vocal critics about Wemby shooting so damn 3's and playing so far away from the basket, tbh.

[Donald Sterling.]

Same dude I trolled last summer lmao. How did you like the sandwich?

and I remember you as the guy who burned his abuela's savings on the mavs last Finals.

Widowbeaner :lol

[widowmaker]

and I remember you as the guy who burned his abuela's savings on the mavs last Finals.

Widowbeaner :lol

Wrong guy. How was that cock meat sandwich?

[Brazil]

You simply are an idiot tbh. At least get the facts straight. Or quote an actual post.

Your av pic is you I suppose

polish and racist :lol of course :lol

[polandprzem]

No surprises you picked the wrong side even though the forum has a search function.



Sure, you want quotes?









Wembys has to gain strength, lol. But I didn’t get the facts straight. What is it? Wemby doesn’t have to gain strength now? And before you act like drax and act like having no idea how to read sarcasm, some 7’5” schwarzaneggar means a big guy by gaining 20lbs of muscles.

Your IQ sure is low.

I pointed out Wemby needs strength. 20pds by his second season with increased strength . I said it before season one. Which he did. I was right.


You made up Schwartzenegger - so be it. Not my problem you do not have any idea of human physique and how it works.

[polandprzem]

Tired of this excuse... He is 7'5 245... He should be able and willing to back down Fred Vanvleet... When he passed the ball out without even attempting to back him down I was shocked

At least he has not been pushed around by PG this season like the last one.

IMO he will develop his inside game more on offense when he gets more strength, but even now he should be able to shoot over them making quicker decision.

[Pauleta14]

polish and racist :lol of course :lol

Maybe he is, no idea, but the ape comp could just be related to his IQ...

At least that's how I read it

[ambchang]

Your IQ sure is low.

I pointed out Wemby needs strength. 20pds by his second season with increased strength . I said it before season one. Which he did. I was right.


You made up Schwartzenegger - so be it. Not my problem you do not have any idea of human physique and how it works.

lol. Wemby never changed his weight lifting regime, at least never reported. He himself said he may have gained 10lbs.

And yup, know you’re going to pull up the drax card and think acting like a moron would somehow make you look smart.

Maybe instead of building more muscles, you can work of reducing your muscles so the blood can actually flow to your brain.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Your IQ sure is low.

I pointed out Wemby needs strength. 20pds by his second season with increased strength . I said it before season one. Which he did. I was right.


You made up Schwartzenegger - so be it. Not my problem you do not have any idea of human physique and how it works.

Vic did not gain 20 lbs. It was around 5.

[polandprzem]

lol. Wemby never changed his weight lifting regime, at least never reported. He himself said he may have gained 10lbs.

And yup, know you’re going to pull up the drax card and think acting like a moron would somehow make you look smart.

Maybe instead of building more muscles, you can work of reducing your muscles so the blood can actually flow to your brain.

It does that? wow

:lmao

[polandprzem]

Vic did not gain 20 lbs. It was around 25.

Indeed

[ambchang]

It does that? wow

:lmao

Oh man, you are really that stupid. I should’ve cued in earlier and left it at that.

[polandprzem]

Oh man, you are really that stupid. I should’ve cued in earlier and left it at that.

You should never speak tbh

[ambchang]

You should never speak tbh

Oh yes please use your mighty virtual muscles to intimidate. :lol such a loser.

[polandprzem]

Oh yes please use your mighty virtual muscles to intimidate. :lol such a loser.

Such sensitive

[chubbs]

lol soft

[ambchang]

For somebody to trains like the hulk I’m surprised you are so sensitive.


Such sensitive

It took you two days to register? Oh man, you are slow.

[Brazil]

Maybe he is, no idea, but the ape comp could just be related to his IQ...

At least that's how I read it

if you use an animal to discuss low IQ you should never use ape or dolphin or orca... animals with amazing cognitive capacities. When you use ape you know exactly what you are doing

[skin27]

He is playing soft lately

[polandprzem]

:D

[RC_Drunkford]

news flash: our whole team is soft

[tim_duncan_fan]

news flash: our whole team is soft

I don't think Stephon and Charles are.

[spursistan]

Bump.

I don't care if the allergies are fuckin' with him a bit, but when Wemby is soft'in it up, he is incredibly so hard to watch. This loss is absolutely on him.

I hate to say it, and it is an uncomfortable early observation that Castle already looks to have more dog in him than Wemby. He is more fearless and takes less nights off than the 7'4 franchise guy.

[Mugen]

https://images.albertsons-media.com/is/image/ABS/960143649-ECOM?$ng-ecom-pdp-desktop$&defaultImage=Not_Available
The trade we needed to make tbh

[LeBowen]

I don't care if the allergies are fuckin' with him a bit, but when Wemby is soft'in it up, he is incredibly so hard to watch.

Agreed.


This loss is absolutely on him.

This is dumb and is already starting to remind me of Admiral narratives how it was always his fault despite all the garbage rosters he was on.
Wemby could've and should've done better, but if we need him to drop 30 against fucking Hornets, it's irrelevant because we're not getting anywhere.

It's like Mitch plays the smallest possible lineups on purpose to enable every opposing team to crash the glass and then it's Wemby's fault when he doesn't get the rebound in 1v3 situations.

[Joseph Kony]

Bump.

I don't care if the allergies are fuckin' with him a bit, but when Wemby is soft'in it up, he is incredibly so hard to watch. This loss is absolutely on him.

I hate to say it, and it is an uncomfortable early observation that Castle already looks to have more dog in him than Wemby. He is more fearless and takes less nights off than the 7'4 franchise guy.

yeah the whole allergies excuse sounds like some pretty soft bs tbh...regardless of whether its having a big effect or not, it sounds weak :lol

He hasn't played like himself consistently since the end of December imo, he's been off for awhile

[Mugen]

Agreed.



This is dumb and is already starting to remind me of Admiral narratives how it was always his fault despite all the garbage rosters he was on.
Wemby could've and should've done better, but if we need him to drop 30 against fucking Hornets, it's irrelevant because we're not getting anywhere.

It's like Mitch plays the smallest possible lineups on purpose to enable every opposing team to crash the glass and then it's Wemby's fault when he doesn't get the rebound in 1v3 situations.

I didn't need him to drop 30. I just needed him to give a fuck on defense and the boards tonight and not go 7/20 against a guy on a two way contract tbh.

[Mugen]

If it was a broken arm like Manu against the f'n Grit N Grind Grizzlies in the playoffs, then that's one thing.

But if I'm supposed to give him a pass because he's been sniffing flowers too hard and shits the bed against a G leaguer on a 12 win team...nah uh.....that ain't cutting it tbh.

[scott]

2025 has not started great. If it were just based on January onward, I would not have Wemby as All NBA

[Mugen]

20 shots tonight, half of those coming from 3 where he shot 11%.

Against...(looks up this guy's name)...Moussa Diabate.

Jesus christ :lol

[LeBowen]

I didn't need him to drop 30. I just needed him to give a fuck on defense and the boards tonight and not go 7/20 against a guy on a two way contract tbh.

I think his defense was way better than it was in Atlanta the other night.
Yeah, he could've prevented a couple more shots, but all those early baskets Hornets made were either long floaters or 3pt shots.
The only thing I was annoyed at was how he just sagged off screens and let them have those 3pts in some situations, his rim protection was fine.

Offense is another matter, he's too weak to bully anyone and current coaching staff/roster isn't good enough at running sets that would get him easy baskets.

[spursistan]

If it was a broken arm like Manu against the f'n Grit N Grind Grizzlies in the playoffs, then that's one thing.

But if I'm supposed to give him a pass because he's been sniffing flowers too hard and shits the bed against a G leaguer on a 12 win team...nah uh.....that ain't cutting it tbh.
Don't know why folks want to extend the kids glove treatment to the most hyped (rightfully so) prospect since Lebron when we used to nitpick even the great Timmy's free throw shooting. I just have zero tolerance for even a smidgen of lack of effort or nonchalance from players of that caliber--- something never had I noticed with Duncan for the entirety of his career. How do you watch that game and say that Castle & Wemby had the same level of urgency?

[Mugen]

I think his defense was way better than it was in Atlanta the other night.
Yeah, he could've prevented a couple more shots, but all those early baskets Hornets made were either long floaters or 3pt shots.
The only thing I was annoyed at was how he just sagged off screens and let them have those 3pts in some situations, his rim protection was fine.

Offense is another matter, he's too weak to bully anyone and current coaching staff/roster isn't good enough at running sets that would get him easy baskets.

I'll defend the dumb decisions and the 3pt chucking to some extent.

But I will not make excuses for his piss poor effort lately outside of the Paris games. He's still an elite rim protector simply because of his size/length but he's shown little to zero effort on that end for a while now.

If it's his allergies or he's tired then sit him. But if he's suiting up and looking like he's mailing it in, then he deserves criticism.

I'm not seeing that dog in him to be quite frank.

[Mugen]

Don't know why folks want to extend kids glove treatment to the most hyped (rightfully so) prospect since Lebron when we used to nitpick even the great Timmy's free throw shooting. I just have zero tolerance for even smidgen of lack of effort or nonchalance from players of that caliber--- something never had I noticed with Duncan for the entirety of his career. How do you watch game and say that Castle & Wemby had the same level of urgency?

This. Not once did I ever see a lack of effort from Timmy or Manu in all their years as a Spur.

I don't care if it's allergies or that he's 21. If he's dogging it out there then he needs to be held accountable.

[benefactor]

Someone needs to make a gif of him slowly turning into Bol Bol

[NASpurs]

Vicky got outrebounded by some dude named Diabetes on the Hornets. Shit is embarrassing.

[Knoxxx]

Wemby doesn’t look right, not sure he’s actually kicked that allergy bug yet though being away from SA could help. We don’t want him totally on point as we are more likely to benefit from a high draft pick. We will need a couple more players to be a legitimate playoff team.

[spursistan]

I am sure, game-wise, he will do plenty of growing-up in the coming years, but you have to be slightly worried about these early taking-the-night-off tendencies from him.

[Pauleta14]

It really sucks that we can't have proper journalists to let us know if Wemby is really sick/under the weather or just in a slump (with the ridiculous energy he's spent up until now in this season, it wouldn't be shocking tbh).

It could also be mental exhaustion.

Anyway, not knowing sucks and leads to too many interpretations. Stupid PR as usual with this franchise..

[MannyIsGod]

Bump.

I don't care if the allergies are fuckin' with him a bit, but when Wemby is soft'in it up, he is incredibly so hard to watch. This loss is absolutely on him.

I hate to say it, and it is an uncomfortable early observation that Castle already looks to have more dog in him than Wemby. He is more fearless and takes less nights off than the 7'4 franchise guy.

This is such a stupid fucking post. This is Nico Harris level idiocy.

[spursistan]

2025 has not started great. If it were just based on January onward, I would not have Wemby as All NBA
Exactly. We are not a bunch of homers here. Wemby has definitely come down in level in the past month or so. From a Top 5-7 All-NBA caliber player in Nov-Dec to a merely Top-12-15 All-Star guy in 2025. Leaking a bit more defensively (effort-wise) and anemic and spottier offensively..

[MannyIsGod]

Holy shit you guys are fucking ridiculous. Wemby was off from 3 tonight but was otherwise fine. The Hornets shot way above their average on 3s and that was essentially the game. Wemby got 11 boards AND 5 blocks and if he didn't have to constantly rotate due to our shitty perimeter defense then I'm sure he would have had more boards. Its pretty hard to get more boards when you're constantly contesting shots and the guy starting at the 4 only gets 4 rebounds.

Y'all are too fucking reactionary. 82 game season and so many of you will have 82 different opinions on a single player throughout it.

Imagine blaming Wemby for ANY loss this season. Just insane.

[MannyIsGod]

Exactly. We are not a bunch of homers here. Wemby has definitely come down in level in the past month or so. From a Top 5-7 All-NBA caliber player in Nov-Dec to a merely Top-12-15 All-Star guy in 2025. Leaking a bit more defensively (effort-wise) and anemic and spottier offensively..

Some of you are worse than homers. You're just idiots.

[Knoxxx]

Wemby was barely jumping and he was way slower to react than normal but very similar to the ATL game. Allergies are like back trouble, until you experience it you don’t know.

[spursgu]

Holy shit you guys are fucking ridiculous. Wemby was off from 3 tonight but was otherwise fine. The Hornets shot way above their average on 3s and that was essentially the game. Wemby got 11 boards AND 5 blocks and if he didn't have to constantly rotate due to our shitty perimeter defense then I'm sure he would have had more boards. Its pretty hard to get more boards when you're constantly contesting shots and the guy starting at the 4 only gets 4 rebounds.

Y'all are too fucking reactionary. 82 game season and so many of you will have 82 different opinions on a single player throughout it.

Imagine blaming Wemby for ANY loss this season. Just insane.

I called one of them out in the game thread cause he said "wemby should just go to LA." I get it, people are reactionary in the game threads but don't go also making asinine statements like that and expect your stupidity to not get called out. I stay away from game threads because of this.

[spursgu]

Exactly. We are not a bunch of homers here. Wemby has definitely come down in level in the past month or so. From a Top 5-7 All-NBA caliber player in Nov-Dec to a merely Top-12-15 All-Star guy in 2025. Leaking a bit more defensively (effort-wise) and anemic and spottier offensively..

all you do in these threads is fucking complain after losses then change your tune when we win. Just stfu already.

[spursgu]

OP when Wemby doesn't play "well":

"He's soft and lazy. Was Tim Duncan ever like that?"

OP when the other players struggle:

"maybe we should take it easy on Wemby when he has to carry this team on both ends of the floor."

Like manny said, you guys are so goddamn reactionary, it's hard to take any of your takes seriously. Like just take a break from the forum and wait a couple of games instead of just finding someone to blame after every loss. I don't mind criticism, but you guys don't ever stfu.

[skin27]

As ive always said , consistenncy is the the problem with wemby and no post up game. If only he has a post up game he is going to be the most complete player of all time.

[spursgu]

Watch you guys talk shit about Castle when he has some off games. You dumbasses have done it before.

[NASpurs]

Watch you guys talk shit about Castle when he has some off games. You dumbasses have done it before.

Imagine being here for 10 years and not knowing how this place works. What a fucking idiot. :lol

[spursgu]

Imagine being here for 10 years and not knowing how this place works. What a fucking idiot. :lol

You're one of those idiots I'm referring to so of course you take that to heart.

Again, I don't care if people say "so and so sucked today." But idiots like you take it to the extreme and you just expect us to be "haha that guy is so edgy." so yeah, fuck off outta here as well.

[Knoxxx]

As ive always said , consistenncy is the the problem with wemby and no post up game. If only he has a post up game he is going to be the most complete player of all time.

Wemby needs to drive more too and he can, but he be illin’ it’s obvious. Someone guards him he passes the ball away quickly or just launches a jumper. He’s not 100%.

[NASpurs]

You're one of those idiots I'm referring to so of course you take that to heart.

Again, I don't care if people say "so and so sucked today." But idiots like you take it to the extreme and you just expect us to be "haha that guy is so edgy." so yeah, fuck off outta here as well.

10 years and you're a fucking noob. Fuck off faggot.

Go :cry some more about how people are being unfair. You're reddit material, you can give reach arounds over there with all your fellow sniffers.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Fellas seem to forget that the kid scored the first 7 points of the team and did it mostly via aggressive forays to the basket. He shot bad the rest of the way but he was overall fine. Still had 5 blocks and you'd have to be extra slow to blame him for the breakdowns on defense. Paul, Johnson, and even Castle were giving the Hornets all day to shoot from three in this game.

He may or he may not still be under the weather but you have to take into account the load he's carried on both ends so far. This team is very flawed and he's covered up for a lot of those. All at 21, and in a frame that does not scream strength and durability just yet.

Comparing him to Timmy is not fair. Timmy was way more mature physically when he got into the league and he did not have the lithe body type that Wemby has.

Sometimes you doofuses just seem to take it for granted that he's 7-foot-5, 230 (more or less) and has to move around so much on BOTH ENDS.

Find me another 7'5 dude with more workload than Wemby has.

He's fine and he's way ahead of schedule. He is the franchise. Heck, he is well on his way to being the NBA sooner than later.

[TheBallsbreakers]

As ive always said , consistenncy is the the problem with wemby and no post up game. If only he has a post up game he is going to be the most complete player of all time.
Expecting him to be the most complete player of all time at 21 already, are we?

[skin27]

Wemby needs to drive more too and he can, but he be illin’ it’s obvious. Someone guards him he passes the ball away quickly or just launches a jumper. He’s not 100%.

Dont make any excuses. More often wemby play stupid basketball. If his 3’s arent falling he is useless offensively, and also about setting screens he doesnt know how to set screen properly or and how to roll poperly after setting a screen. Even cp3 one of the best pg of all time cant get him the ball on a pick and roll.

[spursgu]

10 years and you're a fucking noob. Fuck off faggot.

Go :cry some more about how people are being unfair. You're reddit material, you can give reach arounds over there with all your fellow sniffers.

nah I'm fine here where I can see losers like you melt down when you're called out for your shitty takes. Also a predictable "sniffer" insult, maybe people are just tired of your toxic discourse that brings absolutely nothing to the table.

[timtonymanu]

nah I'm fine here where I can see losers like you melt down when you're called out for your shitty takes. Also a predictable "sniffer" insult, maybe people are just tired of your toxic discourse that brings absolutely nothing to the table.

The point of shitposting is that you shouldn’t take it seriously. You’re taking this way too deeply, dude.

[NASpurs]

nah I'm fine here where I can see losers like you melt down when you're called out for your shitty takes. Also a predictable "sniffer" insult, maybe people are just tired of your toxic discourse that brings absolutely nothing to the table.

Dumb fuck, we're literally baiting idiots like you to take the bait because we know you dumb sniffers cry over shit like this. It's funny to us.

That's why I said you've been here 10 years and still act like a noob taking the bait.

[spursistan]

Dont make any excuses. More often wemby play stupid basketball. If his 3’s arent falling he is useless offensively, and also about setting screens he doesnt know how to set screen properly or and how to roll poperly after setting a screen. Even cp3 one of the best pg of all time cant get him the ball on a pick and roll.
It is actually hilarious how weak his screening is and how tentative and indecisive his rolling game is. You could see CP3's frustration writ large on his face when Wemby comes up with that weak sauce of his :lol. Most times Paul has to re-iniate the action to get a decent cover on the defender.

[spursgu]

Dumb fuck, we're literally baiting idiots like you to take the bait because we know you dumb sniffers cry over shit like this. It's funny to us.

That's why I said you've been here 10 years and still act like a noob taking the bait.

oh wow the old "I'm just trolling" retort. Yet when you're called out, you melt down and get defensive lol. Why do you keep showing us you're a bitch by responding when I'm giving you the reaction you want and you can just ignore me and laugh it up?

[chubbs]

russshawn bradbrook :lmao

[chubbs]

oh wow the old "I'm just trolling" retort. Yet when you're called out, you melt down and get defensive lol. Why do you keep showing us you're a bitch by responding when I'm giving you the reaction you want and you can just ignore me and laugh it up?

lol getting bullied by his own fanbase :rollin

[NASpurs]

oh wow the old "I'm just trolling" retort. Yet when you're called out, you melt down and get defensive lol. Why do you keep showing us you're a bitch by responding when I'm giving you the reaction you want and you can just ignore me and laugh it up?

I wasn't the one that said Wemby should go to the Lakers dummy. Go back to my posts idiot.

I just saw you melting down like the bitch that you are.

[timtonymanu]

russshawn bradbrook :lmao

I get the Shawn Bradley reference but what am I missing with Westbrook ?

[NASpurs]

:fishing:fishing:fishing

[timtonymanu]

I wasn't the one that said Wemby should go to the Lakers dummy. Go back to my posts idiot.

I just saw you melting down like the bitch that you are.

He has a problem with this but you have Mr. Body telling other posters to kill themselves. :lol

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

He has a problem with this but you have Mr. Body telling other posters to kill themselves. :lol

brah it's the lakers

[tim_duncan_fan]

We might wanna chastise him, but isn't "live or die by the three" the intentional standard NBA culture these days?

Wemby plays the style of game that the NBA execs cultivated.

[weeks]

i'm sure wemby will get better but i've never been impressed by his offense. his defense is everything we could ask and more, just need to see more consistent effort

[Robz4000]

Can't deny he has some softness to him but that's par for the course for this generation of NBA players tbh. That being said, the coaching is doing him no favors. We need to see a near complete rollover of the coaching staff this offseason or the young players will never reach their potential. We're already seeing it with Sochan and Vassell (would include Keldon but considering he was a late first and his strengths his potential was questionable anyway).

[100%duncan]

The problem here is that no one is “big” enough to tell Wemby to stop doing this stupid shit. Mitch Johnson isnt going through that door. That little retard is happy enough to have a job and maintain status quo until Pop comes back.



Now PRIME Pop would’ve been on Wemby’s ass but I think we all know that this version of Pop (moreso after the stroke) will also not give Wemby the level of coaching and accountability that he needs.

[RC_Drunkford]

Wemby was super under the weather against the Hawks, you could hear it in his postgame interview. I don't expect him to be a 100% yet. That being said he wasn't the reason why we lost last night.

[spursparker9]

I think he is still sick. The camera captured 1 of the staff checking on Wemby's nose when he was on the bench

[z0sa]

Wemby's not feeling well but still did enough for us to win. Our ridiculous lineups that can't rebound when he's not on the floor (and sometimes, when he is) are the real foolishness this year. We start a wing at PF and often have Sochan playing center. It's stupid when you're being outrebounded and destroyed on the second chance points. I'd rather Mamu in and get burned the old fashioned way for layups hoping Mamu makes up for it with hustle and some shooting than give up rebound after fucking rebound.

[Kawhi Duncan]

It is actually hilarious how weak his screening is and how tentative and indecisive his rolling game is. You could see CP3's frustration writ large on his face when Wemby comes up with that weak sauce of his :lol. Most times Paul has to re-iniate the action to get a decent cover on the defender.

Agreed...he is a horrible screener and I think his rolls are weak because he is afraid of contact...but coaching can get rid of all of that...and our coaches can't coach for shit

[Kawhi Duncan]

We might wanna chastise him, but isn't "live or die by the three" the intentional standard NBA culture these days?

Wemby plays the style of game that the NBA execs cultivated.

The last 2 bigs to win finals mvp don't live or die by threes...wemby will reach nowhere fast if he rather ay like Channing Frye instead of Giannis\Jokic

[Kawhi Duncan]

The problem here is that no one is “big” enough to tell Wemby to stop doing this stupid shit. Mitch Johnson isnt going through that door. That little retard is happy enough to have a job and maintain status quo until Pop comes back.



Now PRIME Pop would’ve been on Wemby’s ass but I think we all know that this version of Pop (moreso after the stroke) will also not give Wemby the level of coaching and accountability that he needs.

Agree 100%...and the coaching staff will never fire mitch and will just hand him the reigns after Pop leaves....so we are in this shithole for years, regardless of how much talent gets put around Wemby

[Sugus]

SpursTrolls if Wemby sits due to his allergies: "What a weak lazy bum, sitting games out because of some sniffies? The great Tim Duncan never would've let something like that sideline him. Needs to gain 20lbs so his body handles it better. SOFT!"

SpursTrolls if Wemby decides to play despite his allergies: "What a weak lazy bum, can't even rebound and play DPOY defense and MVP offense every game? I never saw the great Timothy Duncan get out-rebounded by scrubs in his career, he needs to grow a pair and dominate like Jordan did in the Flu game. SOFT!"

:rollin

[Mugen]

Making these little BS excuses for his occasional lack of effort doesn't help anybody tbh.

Vic has the highest ceiling of anybody in NBA history.

By all accounts, he wants that responsibility and he wants that smoke. And with that smoke comes accountability.

I think he'll turn it around towards the end of the season but he deserves criticism for his crappy play since Christmas and I'm not excusing that because of some sniffles. This is his team and he needs to be held accountable.

[Sugus]

Making these little BS excuses for his occasional lack of effort doesn't help anybody tbh.

Vic has the highest ceiling of anybody in NBA history.

By all accounts, he wants that responsibility and he wants that smoke. And with that smoke comes accountability.

I think he'll turn it around towards the end of the season but he deserves criticism for his crappy play since Christmas and I'm not excusing that because of some sniffles. This is his team and he needs to be held accountable.

I guess some of us failing to see how allergies are anywhere close to "BS excuses" is the major difference here.

If you've suffered them, you know. Yes it's on Wemby for trying to play through them instead of sitting it out and recovering, but it's a part of his character that I really like otherwise, so I'm not faulting the competitor for wanting to play.

As I demonstrated above, it's a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation for him.

[Frenchfred]

for sure he was not boxing out enough yesterday, a lot of offensive boards could have been avoided. That's on the coach or the PG to see this and yell at him and the others for not doing it.

[Davidicus]

Did Spurs ever specify the illness / allergies? Is it Cedar fever, or prolonged flu, or something else? Cedar fever should be ok by now if he hasn't been in central TX for a bit.

[BatManu20]

Wemby clearly still isn't 100% healthy but we still need more from him offensively. 1-9 rom 3 ain't gonna cut it. He's also not the reason we lost last night. Hopefully he plays better tonight in Orlando on a quick turnaround.

[chubbs]

I get the Shawn Bradley reference but what am I missing with Westbrook ?

shameless stat padder

[Pauleta14]

Wemby clearly still isn't 100% healthy but we still need more from him offensively. 1-9 rom 3 ain't gonna cut it. He's also not the reason we lost last night. Hopefully he plays better tonight in Orlando on a quick turnaround.

Dude had 5 blocks including a huge one that preceded/allowed Fox giving us the lead... :lol

He had a bad game but is far from the reason we lost bro

I just think that when you're exhausted everything is harder and this roster makes things even worse. He's just learning and getting his body used to NBA season and being the main target every game.

This period highlights to me how much of a cheat code he is bc this roster has no business having 22 wins

[MannyIsGod]

Making these little BS excuses for his occasional lack of effort doesn't help anybody tbh.

Vic has the highest ceiling of anybody in NBA history.

By all accounts, he wants that responsibility and he wants that smoke. And with that smoke comes accountability.

I think he'll turn it around towards the end of the season but he deserves criticism for his crappy play since Christmas and I'm not excusing that because of some sniffles. This is his team and he needs to be held accountable.

"crappy" play. Y'all are fucking unreal man. The fact that a 2nd year player at the age of 21 isn't putting up MVP level stats on a team where they can easily collapse onto him isn't crappy. NBA teams are going to adapt to him and he'll adapt as well but there will be learning involved.

Wemby in Jan averaged over 4 bpg, over 1 stpg, 13 bpg , 22 ppg and 3 apg. Crappy? Mugen i get that you're a miserable fuck that will always complain but JFC man I didn't think this schtick would be extended to a player like Wemby. At least your consistent I guess.

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly I take it back, those ARE MVP level stats. "Crappy"

Y'all don't deserve Wemby.

[Mugen]

"crappy" play. Y'all are fucking unreal man. The fact that a 2nd year player at the age of 21 isn't putting up MVP level stats on a team where they can easily collapse onto him isn't crappy. NBA teams are going to adapt to him and he'll adapt as well but there will be learning involved.

Wemby in Jan averaged over 4 bpg, over 1 stpg, 13 bpg , 22 ppg and 3 apg. Crappy? Mugen i get that you're a miserable fuck that will always complain but JFC man I didn't think this schtick would be extended to a player like Wemby. At least your consistent I guess.

I guess I just have high expectations unlike your wife tbh

[Mugen]

Asking your generational franchise player to shoot better than 35% against Moussa Diabate is asking for too much I guess. tbh.

[Sugus]

"crappy" play. Y'all are fucking unreal man. The fact that a 2nd year player at the age of 21 isn't putting up MVP level stats on a team where they can easily collapse onto him isn't crappy. NBA teams are going to adapt to him and he'll adapt as well but there will be learning involved.

Wemby in Jan averaged over 4 bpg, over 1 stpg, 13 bpg , 22 ppg and 3 apg. Crappy? Mugen i get that you're a miserable fuck that will always complain but JFC man I didn't think this schtick would be extended to a player like Wemby. At least your consistent I guess.

:lol :tu

[Knoxxx]

Making these little BS excuses for his occasional lack of effort doesn't help anybody tbh.

Vic has the highest ceiling of anybody in NBA history.

By all accounts, he wants that responsibility and he wants that smoke. And with that smoke comes accountability.

I think he'll turn it around towards the end of the season but he deserves criticism for his crappy play since Christmas and I'm not excusing that because of some sniffles. This is his team and he needs to be held accountable.

I would say you are dumb as a door knob but that would be unkind. It would be kinder to observe that you don't know what you are talking about, obviously. I had to get three sinus surgeries over allergies once they became debilitating to the point of constant severe sinus infections. That included an initial deviated septum surgery, which takes a month at least to recover from. Imagine blowing your nose constantly with large bloody snot chunks coming out, bad headache most of the time, you will start getting the idea. Then it was the polyps and return of the severe sinus infections. A sinus infection is not just nasal, those cavities are all up in your forehead also. When the infections are chronic, you are left with black horrific crud that will show on xrays along the lines of toxic waste. When you fly on an airplane, no migraine will do justice to the severe ripping pain in your head as the plane descends. But you are not allowed to scream on an airplane, you just have to put your head down close your eyes, grind your teeth, whatever you can to cope with the pain.

After the 3 sinus surgeries, it was on to the allergy shots. Which I took for at least 3 years, they lied to me on the front end to get me to stay with the program. Which was actually free if you do the shots, have to go in every week, I think they even had me going in twice per week at first. Then its weekly, every two weeks, monthly, but all this occurs over a very slow time period. Like I said the shots were free with insurance, but the drops you can take yourself are not covered and are expensive due to not being FDA approved or some such.

Now I do a lot better after the shots, they worked for me. The new ENT doctor wanted to burn off my turbinates to get more clearance in my nostrils as I was checking out after the 3+ years of shots. I told him nah, I was doing pretty good we could always do that later. Now I do fine except I do have to hit mainly just one nostril occasionally with Afrin spray due to it being more prone to congestion.

I also recall that once when I hurt my back and could only sit upright in a chair, my mother in law thought it was fake, that I could barely move without having a severe pain twinge, since she had never had back trouble. Then her daughter had to be hospitalized and in bed for days over a back injury. Then her husband hurt back. Then eventually she had a back problem. Finally she understood fully how debilitating back pain can be.

Someone at work told me, being I was sick with sinuses all the time, "get it fixed." This was excellent advice, and what Wemby needs to do. He needs to get tested, then they formulate the treatment. He does not have to do shots, he can just do drops on his tongue. He needs to get it fixed, so that it does not kick his ass in the middle of the season. It can cost you sleep and throw you way more off kilter than you understand.

[Mugen]

:lol the literal Sniff crew tbh

[Knoxxx]

:lol the literal Sniff crew tbh

Thank you for confirming you actually ARE dumb as a door knob.

[scott]

Every allergist in San Antonio should be required to submit their proposals to One Spurs Way (or whatever their address is these days) by close of business Monday. Should be a Mayoral proclamation and City Counsel Resolution on it already, tbh.

[scott]

:lol the literal Sniff crew tbh

You know who's not on the sniff crew? Wemby. Can't smell shit (allergies).

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

[TE]

There's tests to check for environmental allergies, the equipped PCP will have the ability to order geographic specific allergy tests (these tests sometimes will include food allergy/sensitivities). There's additional testing that can assess immune system reaction as it pertains to these body allergy reactions (they will include inflammatory markers amongst other markers). Wemby's doctor (or if its the Spurs head attending) needs to assess for this if it already hasn't. There's other assessments that are ordered by pulm specialists that can assess lung function and if baseline lung function improves with treatment...sometimes the lung function can undergo transitory deconditioning with even basic URI's.

Who is to say these haven't already been performed...

[spursistan]

There is really no secret to this ish : you go as far as your best player goes, and Wembanyama has been a confused softie for the month or so resulting in the team essentially bowing out of the play-in.

Barring a drastic change, you can safely say that Doncic had a superior sophomore season to Wemby's leading a similarly talented Mavs to the playoffs and a tough first round loss.

[Frenchfred]

There is really no secret to this ish : you go as far you best player goes, and Wembanyama has been a confused softie for the month or so resulting in the team essentially bowing out of the play-in.

Barring a drastic change, you can safely say that Doncic had a superior sophomore season to Wemby's leading a similarly talented Mavs to playoffs and a tough first round loss.

There is no question that Doncic was better in his second year than Wemby. Until he gains some weight to establish position in the paint, I don't think that we'll see much improvement offensively. His offense depends if his 3-point is falling and right now it is not good.

[RC_Drunkford]

Well there were certainly 2 rebounds in crunchtime he could’ve secured, but he decided to sleepwalk towards the ball…

[skin27]

There is really no secret to this ish : you go as far as your best player goes, and Wembanyama has been a confused softie for the month or so resulting in the team essentially bowing out of the play-in.

Barring a drastic change, you can safely say that Doncic had a superior sophomore season to Wemby's leading a similarly talented Mavs to the playoffs and a tough first round loss.

How about lebron’s sophomore season compare to wemby? Lebron is the one who is compared to wemby.

so far i think lebron’s individual performace is better than wemby on their sophomore season. Wemby’s sophomerr season isnt over yet. So maybe he will get better after the allstar break.

[skin27]

I think its better for him if he play like dirk or lma. Midrange is better than taking so many 3’s

[Mugen]

Generational talent.

The fact that the only time he's shown competitive fire and effort in the last 6 weeks was in Paris is pretty telling IMO.

[td4mvp21]

Wemby is 21 years old and in his second year. There’s some valid criticism in this thread and he has many flaws to address before winning a ring, but expecting him to have this all figured out now is literally insane.

Luka is not the only measuring stick. I won’t even pull up Jokic/Giannis numbers from their second year because Wemby’s are significantly, objectively better. There are many paths to greatness and Wemby’s being different from Luka’s doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t be great.

[spursistan]

If Wemby registering the worst +/- (-14) on this team in 1-point loss doesn't alarm you, guess nothing will :lol

[Mugen]

Wouldn't be surprised if he packs it in once he hits the 65 game mark and has his DPOY.

Gotta get ready for international play this summer tbh.

[skin27]

Wouldn't be surprised if he packs it in once he hits the 65 game mark and has his DPOY.

Gotta get ready for international play this summer tbh.

he should rest this offseason and work on his conditioning and muscle mass.

[spursistan]

Generational talent.

The fact that the only time he's shown competitive fire and effort in the last 6 weeks was in Paris is pretty telling IMO.
The most annoying part is that he talked big game about wanting to win and making the playoffs this season only for him to dog it in a critical month of basketball (road-heavy) that more or less ended their play-in chances before it even begins now that help has come with the Fox trade. It just disappointing to see him shrivel when push came to shove

[onechance87]

Wouldn't be surprised if he packs it in once he hits the 65 game mark and has his DPOY.

Gotta get ready for international play this summer tbh.

i doubt it....if we have a chance at the play in think he keep playing games.

[Kyle_Kuzma]

:lol generational bust

his fake numbers don’t impress me. only thing he’s good for are blocks :lmao

[Pauleta14]

There is no question that Doncic was better in his second year than Wemby. Until he gains some weight to establish position in the paint, I don't think that we'll see much improvement offensively. His offense depends if his 3-point is falling and right now it is not good.

Luka was a lot more ready in terms of experience at the highest level, being expected by opp teams and more ready physically

Luka was also put in A LOT more comfortable position than Wemby since day 1.

I know Wemby sucks recently, no excuse he has to get stronger, but let's not have that recency bias that make us forget what roster he has to deal with and how exhausted it causes him to be now.

Put any player, even experienced in the same conditions and he'd be exhausted as well with the consequences it has on his game and lucidity

Also Luka had a proper coach, it helps

[chubbs]

Luka was a lot more ready in terms of experience at the highest level, being expected by opp teams and more ready physically

Luka was also put in A LOT more comfortable position than Wemby since day 1.

I know Wemby sucks recently, no excuse he has to get stronger, but let's not have that recency bias that make us forget what roster he has to deal with and how exhausted it causes him to be now.

Put any player, even experienced in the same conditions and he'd be exhausted as well with the consequences it has on his game and lucidity

Also Luka had a proper coach, it helps

yeah no

dude had vets jealous of him to the point they were refusing to pass to him and would steal his rebounds. and a coach who allowed it, as opposed to one of the greatest basketball coaches of all time.

luka simply had balls. wemby doesnt.

[spursistan]

Wemby: "I'm learning, and I'm worried for the opponents in a couple of years” (after Olympics Gold medal game)

That's why you rather let your game do the talking. You're going to get everybody's best shot and every stumble of yours will be celebrated just like the "he soft" field day going on X right now. Learn something or two from Timmy in the regard. Talking big game always set you up for ridicule, nothing to be gained from that.

[james evans]

he should rest this offseason and work on his conditioning and muscle mass.
His conditioning sucks. And before any of you mfers say anything, when I was his age, I was maxing military PT tests, going to the club 4 days a week and playing ball damn near every day. . Even today I can run 5 miles like it's nothing. Wemby is goddamn tired the first 4 minutes of every game. He comes down, attemps 2 layups, takes 3 or 4 threes and then his hands are on his hips breathing heavy before the first commercial break. Does he have a medical condition or something/ Even Shaq with the Lakers at 350 lbs during his mvp season played 40 minutes a game and never got winded the first 5 minutes of the game. wtf..

[james evans]

There is no question that Doncic was better in his second year than Wemby. Until he gains some weight to establish position in the paint, I don't think that we'll see much improvement offensively. His offense depends if his 3-point is falling and right now it is not good.
Wemby right now is bigger than Kareem was in his prime. Basketball today is so soft and non physical, if you're getting pushed around, that's a problem. No one is teaching him to post up or how to post up. They can't just push him out of the post. If he gets deep and then they push him out, he'd still be only 8 feet from the basket. But instead, he wants to be at the 3 point line.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby right now is bigger than Kareem was in his prime. Basketball today is so soft and non physical, if you're getting pushed around, that's a problem. No one is teaching him to post up or how to post up. They can't just push him out of the post. If he gets deep and then they push him out, he'd still be only 8 feet from the basket. But instead, he wants to be at the 3 point line.

Exactly...tired of the excuses...he simply doesn't have that drive and killer instinct...he is 7'5 and 245...smaller players in terms of weight and height be bullying him in the paint...pushing him out of position when he posts up and when it comes to rebounds....if he had dog in him he would be unstoppable...but as long as he has coaches that don't team him shit and run an offense he can maximize his strengths in, he will always be like this...and after a few years, it will be too late for him to learn and he will be what u see now...someone that's afraid of contact

[Pauleta14]

Wemby right now is bigger than Kareem was in his prime. Basketball today is so soft and non physical, if you're getting pushed around, that's a problem. No one is teaching him to post up or how to post up. They can't just push him out of the post. If he gets deep and then they push him out, he'd still be only 8 feet from the basket. But instead, he wants to be at the 3 point line.


yeah no

dude had vets jealous of him to the point they were refusing to pass to him and would steal his rebounds. and a coach who allowed it, as opposed to one of the greatest basketball coaches of all time.

luka simply had balls. wemby doesnt.


Exactly...tired of the excuses...he simply doesn't have that drive and killer instinct...he is 7'5 and 245...smaller players in terms of weight and height be bullying him in the paint...pushing him out of position when he posts up and when it comes to rebounds....if he had dog in him he would be unstoppable...but as long as he has coaches that don't team him shit and run an offense he can maximize his strengths in, he will always be like this...and after a few years, it will be too late for him to learn and he will be what u see now...someone that's afraid of contact

I think you guys just don't like his offensive style, which is fine, but accusing him of not having balls doesn't make sense for a player that has to defend the rim by himself most of the time.

How could he be brave on defense and coward on offense? :lol Doesn't make sense.

The dude is just tired

Has any one of you ever played any sport tired? You're just not the same level type of player, no need to overrect

[chubbs]

I think you guys just don't like his offensive style, which is fine, but accusing him of not having balls doesn't make sense for a player that has to defend the rim by himself most of the time.

How could he be brave on defense and coward on offense? :lol Doesn't make sense.

The dude is just tired

Has any one of you ever played any sport tired? You're just not the same level type of player, no need to overrect

na it's definitely not the style

He's just soft

lol shawn bradley wasn't afraid to guard the paint. didn't mean he wasn't soft :lmao

[z0sa]

Wemby's one glaring and objective weakness is his conditioning. I would straight up rate his conditioning as an F. That's to be expected putting on weight and playing with NT in the off-season, though. If he's serious about being the GOAT, he'll lose the off-season basketball and work on endurance and (continue to work on) strength.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's gonna play Eurobasket this summer

[Leetonidas]

Wemby's one glaring and objective weakness is his conditioning. I would straight up rate his conditioning as an F. That's to be expected putting on weight and playing with NT in the off-season, though. If he's serious about being the GOAT, he'll lose the off-season basketball and work on endurance and (continue to work on) strength.

Yeah it's pretty frustrating he's more than halfway thru his second season and can't be on the court for more than 6 minutes without laboring around like he's exhausted

[rjv]

Could be just a coincidence, seasonal allergies, conditioning, or something else but Wemby’s play hit a wall around this time last year. Then, after the all-star break, he went bananas.

[ffadicted]

Could be just a coincidence, seasonal allergies, conditioning, or something else but Wemby’s play hit a wall around this time last year. Then, after the all-star break, he went bananas.

Good call out on this. Let’s see how it shakes up, and if it’s the same then the team staff need to figure something out for that.

As far as his general conditioning, weakness and being prone to being bullied out of the high post, and just lack of any post moves… that’s gotta be offseason priorities for us with him. International play is gonna really eat into that unfortunately, but it’s something we’ll have to live with his whole career, so need to work around it as well.

[polandprzem]

His conditioning sucks. And before any of you mfers say anything, when I was his age, I was maxing military PT tests, going to the club 4 days a week and playing ball damn near every day. . Even today I can run 5 miles like it's nothing. Wemby is goddamn tired the first 4 minutes of every game. He comes down, attemps 2 layups, takes 3 or 4 threes and then his hands are on his hips breathing heavy before the first commercial break. Does he have a medical condition or something/ Even Shaq with the Lakers at 350 lbs during his mvp season played 40 minutes a game and never got winded the first 5 minutes of the game. wtf..

I like that. I've been on his athletic prep since day one.

[John B]

Definitely he’s out of it the last couple of games, must be allergies. He’s not his usual self. Just get healthy big guy. It’s a long haul.

[MackAttack003]

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[spursistan]

Was looking for his post-game comments, but it seems like Wemby has dodged media availability in the last two games. Not exactly what leader-in-a-crisis would do.

[Ice009]

Was looking for his post-game comments, but it seems like Wemby has dodged media availability in the last two games. Not exactly what leader-in-a-crisis would do.

Does the media choose who to interview/request who they want to interview, or is it based on who had the bigger games? He didn't have two very good games the past two, so I thought maybe that's why he hasn't done the interviews?

[scott]

He's gonna play Eurobasket this summer

Maybe his teammates can talk to him candidly about how this is a bad idea and that he needs to take the summer off. I understand if the Spurs don’t want to because they don’t want to piss him off… but Wemby needs to understand that playing in Eurobasket isn’t the best decision for him.

[Splits]

Does the media choose who to interview/request who they want to interview, or is it based on who had the bigger games? He didn't have two very good games the past two, so I thought maybe that's why he hasn't done the interviews?

thought this was dictated by the coaching staff

[Ice009]

thought this was dictated by the coaching staff

I don't know how it works, but I was just going off of what I've seen over the years. Usually the best players on the team have the good games and I noticed they are usually the ones getting interviewed, then if/when an average player has a big game and the star doesn't, sometimes I see him getting interviewed instead.
I never really thought about finding out how the players interviewed are chosen.

[james evans]

Maybe his teammates can talk to him candidly about how this is a bad idea and that he needs to take the summer off. I understand if the Spurs don’t want to because they don’t want to piss him off… but Wemby needs to understand that playing in Eurobasket isn’t the best decision for him.
a player with stamina issues does NOT need to be resting. He needs to play as much as possible. I seriously doubt 6 or 7 olympic games is the reason he's tired every game in the first quarter. That doesn't make any sense. The more you play, the better it is for your stamina

[Pauleta14]

a player with stamina issues does NOT need to be resting. He needs to play as much as possible. I seriously doubt 6 or 7 olympic games is the reason he's tired every game in the first quarter. That doesn't make any sense. The more you play, the better it is for your stamina

I agree It's actually the opposite, playing NT basketball is a huge advantage, it keeps your n shape/rhythm and gives you PO type experience.

As for Wemby I think it's just that he's having way too much to do with way not enough help and people don't understand the effort required to move a 7'5 body aren't the same than for a 6'3

It's almost irresponsible of Spurs's FO not to have a better roster at this point, especially in terms of size and athleticism considering the matchups he has to face by himself

[RC_Drunkford]

I agree It's actually the opposite, playing NT basketball is a huge advantage, it keeps your n shape/rhythm and gives you PO type experience.

As for Wemby I think it's just that he's having way too much to do with way not enough help and people don't understand the effort required to move a 7'5 body aren't the same than for a 6'3

It's almost irresponsible of Spurs's FO not to have a better roster at this point, especially in terms of size and athleticism considering the matchups he has to face by himself

they got him Fox, CP3, Castle and Barnes in his 2nd season. How is that irresponsible? He should've had a better head coach, but he received plenty of help player wise.

[spurraider21]

they got him Fox, CP3, Castle and Barnes in his 2nd season. How is that irresponsible? He should've had a better head coach, but he received plenty of help player wise.
yeah i was generally pleased with the offseason minus trading the #8 pick, but the fact that they went ahead and used that asset to land a lead guard in Fox makes that complaint moot. wemby just has to be better. wemby from december would have led us to several additional wins in the last few weeks

[baseline bum]

He's gonna play Eurobasket this summer

Aw fuck I was hoping this would be the summer he'd be able to put some weight on.

[LeBowen]

It's better for him to play for France while we're out of the playoffs, it's 6 months without meaningful basketball without it.

[BatManu20]

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[scott]

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There was a quote from Fox after the game where the last play was designed for Wemby and Fox told him, get to the spot you want and I'll get you the ball - and the top of the key jumper is the spot Wemby chose. While that shot has looked pretty money, that is not really the optimal spot for a 7'5" guy. I think this supports the idea that something is off with him right now.

[ffadicted]

There was a quote from Fox after the game where the last play was designed for Wemby and Fox told him, get to the spot you want and I'll get you the ball - and the top of the key jumper is the spot Wemby chose. While that shot has looked pretty money, that is not really the optimal spot for a 7'5" guy. I think this supports the idea that something is off with him right now.

Those tweets are damning in the sense where he went from clear DPOY to traffic cone, but as far as the offense goes... Wemby has been settling for jumpers all year long. He almost never catches the ball on the post, and even when he tries to setup in the high block or elbow asking for the ball, he always gets bullied out to the 3 point line by guys a foot smaller than him. He just doesn't have the strength, know-how, or both to be a force down low right now, and his jumpers falling have conditioned him to think that's his best option.

That's not a recent thing, that's been like that for most of the season

Edit: to add to that, he's one of the worst screeners I've ever seen for a high level guy, so the PNR doesn't help him with any of this stuff either

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't understand why people are surprised tbh, he been had problems with the allergies recently. Just because it's getting better doesn't mean you're at 100% right away. He was still under the weather in the Hawks game if you listen to his postgame interview.

[Mugen]

At some point, you need to sit him for a bit tbh.

[LeBowen]

At some point, you need to sit him for a bit tbh.

If only he wasn't selected for that all-star circus, would've been a great week of rest.

[RC_Drunkford]

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[MannyIsGod]

Those tweets are damning in the sense where he went from clear DPOY to traffic cone, but as far as the offense goes... Wemby has been settling for jumpers all year long. He almost never catches the ball on the post, and even when he tries to setup in the high block or elbow asking for the ball, he always gets bullied out to the 3 point line by guys a foot smaller than him. He just doesn't have the strength, know-how, or both to be a force down low right now, and his jumpers falling have conditioned him to think that's his best option.

That's not a recent thing, that's been like that for most of the season

Edit: to add to that, he's one of the worst screeners I've ever seen for a high level guy, so the PNR doesn't help him with any of this stuff either

I think this is largely wrong. We've definitely see a trend to get Wemby more sets from the post as the season has gone on and he's gotten better at it. This should be easy enough to substantiate with the NBA.com advance stats but I won't have time for a few days. He's light years better than he was in this last year and he's even shown substantial improvement throughout the season.

[chubbs]

dude is soft. plain and simple. just accept it :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

So instead of doing shit I actually need to get done, I went and did a quick look at the play type stats on NBA.com. Despite posting up less this year, Wemby is far more efficient with his post ups this season and is scoring on them at a higher rate. Last year he finished 27.2 percentile in post up scoring in the NBA and this year he's at the 50th percentile. Obviously the 50th is way too low for Wemby, but that is still significant improvement and given how good he is at scoring outside of the post that's just fine for a 21 year old.

You guys really need to understand that 1) he'll never be Tim Duncan and 2) it's going to take time and is a process. IOW, fucking relax.

[chubbs]

So instead of doing shit I actually need to get done, I went and did a quick look at the play type stats on NBA.com. Despite posting up less this year, Wemby is far more efficient with his post ups this season and is scoring on them at a higher rate. Last year he finished 27.2 percentile in post up scoring in the NBA and this year he's at the 50th percentile. Obviously the 50th is way too low for Wemby, but that is still significant improvement and given how good he is at scoring outside of the post that's just fine for a 21 year old.

You guys really need to understand that 1) he'll never be Tim Duncan and 2) it's going to take time and is a process. IOW, fucking relax.

nah he soft. but enjoy your copium :rollin

[spursistan]

Blame Mitch & the Loser Crew (Keldon, Vassell, Sochan) all you want, Wembanyama's stark drop off is the single most consequential factor in the team's regression in 2025. Not even sure he makes it to All-Star based on the last six weeks. Also that DPOY award should not be as locked as many want to think.

[Mugen]

Blame Mitch & the Loser Crew (Keldon, Vassell, Sochan) all you want, Wembanyama's stark drop off is the single most consequential factor in the team's regression in 2025. Not even sure he makes it to All-Star based on the last six weeks. Also that DPOY award should not be as locked as many want to think.

Frankly, if he keeps up his level of play/effort on that end until the end of the season, awarding him DPOY would be just as much of a disgrace as Timmy never winning it.

[BatManu20]

He's seemingly hit a wall and I'm not sure it's as simple as chalking it up to allergies. His conditioning seems poor and it's effecting his effort. He had a similar dip last year before the All-Star break and then when he came back from the break he went rogue, so it'll be interesting to see how he performs post All-Star break, but Wemby definitely seems off and has for over a month now.

[Frenchfred]

He's seemingly hit a wall and I'm not sure it's as simple as chalking it up to allergies. His conditioning seems poor and it's effecting his effort. He had a similar dip last year before the All-Star break and then when he came back from the break he went rogue, so it'll be interesting to see how he performs post All-Star break, but Wemby definitely seems off and has for over a month now.

yes it will be interesting to see if he goes rogue again after the all star game. As a frenchman, I like that he plays for the national team but clearly he needs the summer to rest and work on his conditioning/post up game.

[spursistan]

Frankly, if he keeps up his level of play/effort on that end until the end of the season, awarding him DPOY would be just as much of a disgrace as Timmy never winning it.
At this rate, looks like he's gonna win it Marcus Camby's style. Most averaged blocks is the default winner :lol. Haven't checked the on/off defensive metrics, but they must have been steadily dropping lately. The eye test sees considerable instances of lack of effort in contesting shots and making crisp rotations to get there especially after the first Memphis game and that huge first half. If this team finishes in the bottom 7 in DEF-rating as it's been trending i can't blame folks if they change their vote, tbh.

[SequSpur]

Wemby for Luka should’ve happened

[skin27]

If wemby has the BBIQ of tim duncan he’s gonna be unstoppable.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Bottom line: he's a jumpshooter and if jumpshot not go in, Spurms not win


Some games, he will be absolutely unstoppable off his jumpshot, but if the shot isn't falling, he is going to struggle to score/not be able to help the offense much. It's his build, true, but his growing up during this airy version the game is a heavy factor, too.

[SpursGenius]

he is a soft pussy. Sitting behind arc chunking threes at 30 percent clip.

[J_Paco]

I think he's also negatively affected by Mitch's terrible rotations and decision to not start Jeremy (or Stephen Castle).

I think if he sat Chris, Devin and/or Harrison (I would "demote" all three at this point) it would help with the constant dribble penetration (by the opposing team). Right now, Mitch is going way too small and not helping the bench out defensively either with Keldon at PF and Jeremy forced at backup center.

[Brazil]

he is a soft pussy. Sitting behind arc chunking threes at 30 percent clip.

now I get the Genius part of your name

[LakerHater]

It's yr 2, mid way & nobody is intimidated to go in on Wemby anymore!

[djohn2oo8]

Aw fuck I was hoping this would be the summer he'd be able to put some weight on.
He doesn’t need to play year round. Too damn tall and needs time in the summer for conditioning.

[Mugen]

Not quite the same scenario as Yao but I hope he reconsiders international play this summer. Just non-stop ball all year, year after year will end up taking its toll on his body, no matter how science driven his regiment is tbh.

[BackHome]

Man Wemby conditioning is terrible even if we made it to Playoffs there is no way he could come close to playing a long series as physical the Playoff’s are. At this time he doesn’t play good in back to backs and he can’t play over 27 minutes without really slowing down at the point he is a detriment to his team.

The other big concern is I don’t think he wants to bang down low on offense as a traditional Center which as skinny as he is I kinda understand. From last night game it was clear that Sochan is just to small to handle playing in the paint on the offensive side. He really needs another big man to play with kinda like Ralf Sampson and Hakeem and this point I think someone like Wolf or Fleming would be something that might be more successful and no I am not saying who ever we get will be Hakeem

[BackHome]

Man Wemby conditioning is terrible even if we m

[z0sa]

Last night there was a make and he called out someone, looked like Vassell, who just wandered off. Wemby needs some defensive-minded players who aren't going to wilt against top teams tbh

[spurraider21]

i say fuck it, let him go play in europe over the summer.

assuming we dont make the play-in, the last game of the season would be April 13. that's still more than 4 full months between the end of the NBA season and when this would begin, ample time for him to recover or whatever. its not like we're making a deep playoff run and he's playing into june

the games dont start until August 27 and ends in mid-september. its about a month later in the process than the olympics were, and actual traning camp practices didnt even start until october this past year, so a couple of weeks to wind down after that.

i think him playing FIBA will be good for him anyway. more physical brand of basketball, less dancing and shooting will be allowed the way he's been doing in the nba. and somebody other than pop will coach him, so thats a plus

[CorrectCrusader]

Turns out he had fuckin blood clots which is why he's been shit the last 2 months.