It is time to address Wembanyama’s occasional soft and lazy play…

[spursistan]

I haven’t posted here in a while.and I am obviously ecstasic about the Spurs becoming relevant again.


Lucking out with a bonafide generational talent certainly gave this franchise a new lease of life—a true foundational piece for a potential new dynasty.


My nitpick with this dude: As someone who had been accustomed to Tim Duncan 19-year-long, night in-night-out, two-way excellence I just hate to see how much Wemby leaves on the table when his precious 3-POINT CHUCKING doesn’t work on the night. I know it is totally different era, but when Wembanmaya becomes disinterested even in his bread and butter (defense & rim protection), when the 3-ball isn’t falling for him, is both frustrating and alarming. It is like this obsession with becoming a 7’4 KD/CURRY is already holding him back. Just look at that abysmal free-throw rate for someone with his size/skills. He completely retreats into his shelf when he is not hitting behind the arc.


I know he is only 20, but even the best prospects need to have their bad habits coached out of their system. Dude, for heaven sake, just swap Jamal Crawford for Timmy/Hakeem and let's have another legendary ride:toast

[TrainOfThought5]

They’re gonna flame you, but you’re right. It’s not just stamina issues. Stick to your guns and don’t back down.

[Spurs Homer]

Just what we needed…

another whiny bitchfest….

[z0sa]

A scoreless first half vs Suns in an NBA Cup game is eye brow raising. That said, not like anyone but Vassell had an on-night. It might well be safe to say the moment got to them, "meaningless" NBA Cup game or not ..

[spursistan]

They’re gonna flame you, but you’re right. It’s not just stamina issues. Stick to your guns and don’t back down.
He made me flip tonight, tbh. Maybe because this one felt like the first Spurs game with something on the line since Playoffs 2019 or Play-in 2022..I expected better from our franchise guy.

PS. I don't think He's played particularly well against good teams this season compared to his rookie year. So far he's stuffed it against the bad teams and been meh against the (> .50) teams.

[timtonymanu]

A spursistan sighting. Where you have been, dude?

[TekXX]

Of course he's soft but so is 90% of the league these days, they only want to jack up threes.

[spursistan]

A spursistan sighting. Where you have been, dude?
Sup Man! I dipped shortly after that disgusting Kawhi saga..And oh boy, that turned out to be a blessing in disguise :lol .

Glad we are on the way up again. Wemby is slowly drawing me back in :bobo

[John B]

3 assists shy of triple-double.

[spursistan]

3 assists shy of triple-double.
Yea, but bear in mind Wemby is going to be graded on a really high curve. Such are the lofty standards for him even at this age. He doesn't have yet a near-to-the-basket, go-to move to mitigate a bad-3PT shooting night, but when he abandons something he hangs his hat on (defensive application) in a game like this, that's going to invite legitimate criticism.

[John B]

Yea, but bear in mind Wemby is going to be graded on a really high curve. Such are the lofty standards for him even at this age. He doesn't have yet a near-to-the-basket, go-to move to mitigate a bad-3PT shooting night, but when he abandons something he hangs his hat on (defensive application) in a game like this, that's going to invite legitimate criticism.

I think they won this if they shot at least decently. Nobody wins shooting 35% FG. That’s not just Wemby. That’s the whole team. Granted Wemby didn’t score the 1st half, but he distributed and rebounded. I take Wemby could’ve scored better, but again this game was not totally on him just saying.

[freetiago]

He made me flip tonight, tbh. Maybe because this one felt like the first Spurs game with something on the line since Playoffs 2019 or Play-in 2022..I expected better from our franchise guy.

PS. I don't think He's played particularly well against good teams this season compared to his rookie year. So far he's stuffed it against the bad teams and been meh against the (> .50) teams.

He struggles vs every team that uses the Udoka strat where they put a wing on him and collapse in the paint off the non shooters. Those teams early in the season like the Rockets and OKC shut him down. Then we played bad teams that guarded him with slow 7 footers and didn't double him off nonshooters and his 3 fell and everyone acted like he has no weaknesses. He'll struggle vs every team that isnt retarded and defends him properly and his only chance is his 10+ 3s falling to be relevant offensively in those games

[tesseractive]

Trade him while we can still recover some value for him.

[spursparker9]

Live by the 3s, die by the 3s

[Trainwreck2100]

Live by the 3s, die by the 3s

They missed like 12 layups and 2 dunks

[Ice009]

A scoreless first half vs Suns in an NBA Cup game is eye brow raising. That said, not like anyone but Vassell had an on-night. It might well be safe to say the moment got to them, "meaningless" NBA Cup game or not ..

I forgot that one of the reasons I liked Devin was because I thought he showed up in that one play-in game the Spurs had a few years ago (I think it was against NO). I thought Devin showed up and played with a bit of mental toughness. Might not have had a huge stat line, but it didn't look like the pressure got to him. I remember being disappointed in Dejounte as he had a poor game (At the time, I thought he didn't show much mental toughness). To be fair, though, I think that was when Dejounte also missed most of the final regular season games in April, so maybe he was still sick, or not in-form going into that game.

[skin27]

He is so incosistent tbh. One game he’s great and then suck ass on the next one

[LeBowen]

He is so incosistent tbh. One game he’s great and then suck ass on the next one

Do you even watch games?
Before this one, out of his last 8 games 20/10/2 with 4 blocks was the worst statline.
31/11/4.5 with 3.4 blocks in that stretch, 54/43/78 shooting splits.
If that's "one ggame he's great and then sucks ass on the next one", then I honestly don't know what to say without using insults.

Some of you people are completely delusional, there's just no other way to say it.
Or you're just trolling and baiting on purpose.

[sananspursfan21]

To some degree, the book’s written on his game so far. He’s going to have to work hard each offseason to develop new things or hone in further on his strengths. He needs a true post up game because we’re beginning to see smaller defenders on him consistently. They’re guarding his drives and up and under layup game, and he doesn’t have much of an answer. If he were comfortable on the post, that’s a quick flick shot over his 6’4” defender.

I do believe he’ll get there, but I’ll admit it is a little concerning. The thing I keep coming back to is that he’s miles ahead of Kawhi, who took what, 6 seasons before he was a true two way threat and a top 5 player in the league? His first two years, he looked like a solid role player. Totally different players granted, but I think it’s reasonable to remain patient based on that. Wemby already looks like a star, he’s just gotta know when to end the shot experiment and get comfortable in his bread and butter game.

[LakerHater]

He's aggressiveless & assertivenessless to start games is frustrating

[Kuvai]

He is coasting in the 1st half of the games. All he does in first half is take 3’s and putting minimum effort.

2nd half he is much much active in the paint. It may be by design, since he didn’t have much rest during offseason.

I am not worried yet.

[sananspursfan21]

He is coasting in the 1st half of the games. All he does in first half is take 3’s and putting minimum effort.

2nd half he is much much active in the paint. It may be by design, since he didn’t have much rest during offseason.

I am not worried yet.

Solid observation. He does show the ability to turn it on….aaaand turn it off :pctoss

[itzsoweezee]

He picks and chooses within a game, when he wants to be assertive. That is the part that’s different from last year. Just look at this Suns game, scoreless and passive for the first half, then he scores 11 points in 5 minutes to start the third.

This is the main difference I see from last year. Last season, he went all out when he was on the court, but got subbed out frequently. This year he’s pacing himself a lot more, but playing more minutes. His three point shooting is a big part of him reserving his energy, it seems.

Early in the season I was concerned. But wemby knows what he’s doing. His eventual elite three point shooting will make him the best player in basketball. And he’s 7’5” and can’t exert himself like a small guard can without risking injury.

[exstatic]

He’s 20.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The entire team looked like they didn’t want to be there last night. That includes the veterans Barnes and Chris Paul. A lethargic effort by the entire group. Not sure what the reason was for that. Vassell’s play was encouraging, but even he wasn’t as engaged on the defensive end as he could have been. They really weren’t starting anything defensively and that’s where you win games. The Spurs were clearly out-hustled in this one. The Suns wanted it more and Bud outcoached us.

[Tyronn Lue]

You'd think he's in his 2nd year or something.

The offensive game plan is the coach's decision. I doubt they tell Victor "just do whatever you're comfortable with out there". It's more likely they tell CP3 that.

[Tyronn Lue]

The entire team looked like they didn’t want to be there last night. That includes the veterans Barnes and Chris Paul. A lethargic effort by the entire group. Not sure what the reason was for that. Vassell’s play was encouraging, but even he wasn’t as engaged on the defensive end as he could have been. They really weren’t starting anything defensively and that’s where you win games. The Spurs were clearly hustled in this one. The Suns wanted it more and Bud outcoached us.
Both teams looked this way. They aren't excited about the cup.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Both teams looked this way. They aren't excited about the cup.

I agree, but the Suns were able to turn it on late in the first second and fourth quarter. The Spurs never even had that little push.

When we make Plumlee look like an All-Star that’s not a good thing.

[John B]

The Spurs shot 18% from 3pts and 35% FG and lost by 11pts. If some of those shots made the bottom of the net, they’d win. They had a bad shooting night after a record breaking 23 3pts the previous night and Victor had a heroic triple-double, and people here were like… we’re back baby… It’s a young team hence the inconsistency. They are better than last year, they will be better as the season progresses.

[Spurs Homer]

Meh

this was one of those “burn the tape/video” games…

the entire team on offense especially was off…it happens

[The Truth #6]

You'd think he's in his 2nd year or something.

The offensive game plan is the coach's decision. I doubt they tell Victor "just do whatever you're comfortable with out there". It's more likely they tell CP3 that.
Really? I don't get that sense with VW. Last year it was all about "let him figure things out", and now he's shooting even more 3's. To me, seems like he's doing what he wants.

[John B]

The Spurs will be playing at home against .500 teams the next 5 games. I’m sure the same bitches will be praising how good the team is and Victor is the next Curry in 7’3” body. Relax :bobo

[RC_Drunkford]

I forgot that one of the reasons I liked Devin was because I thought he showed up in that one play-in game the Spurs had a few years ago (I think it was against NO). I thought Devin showed up and played with a bit of mental toughness. Might not have had a huge stat line, but it didn't look like the pressure got to him. I remember being disappointed in Dejounte as he had a poor game (At the time, I thought he didn't show much mental toughness). To be fair, though, I think that was when Dejounte also missed most of the final regular season games in April, so maybe he was still sick, or not in-form going into that game.

he was 7/7 from 3 in that game. Huge stat line obviously with 20+ points. Anybody saying Devin should go to the bench has lost their mind.

[RC_Drunkford]

The entire team looked like they didn’t want to be there last night. That includes the veterans Barnes and Chris Paul. A lethargic effort by the entire group. Not sure what the reason was for that. Vassell’s play was encouraging, but even he wasn’t as engaged on the defensive end as he could have been. They really weren’t starting anything defensively and that’s where you win games. The Spurs were clearly out-hustled in this one. The Suns wanted it more and Bud outcoached us.

holding the Suns to 104 points while you're not hitting any shots is actually great. Spurs D kept them in the game. Although I agree, Wemby looked lazy on that end in a bunch of posessions.

[John B]

Really? I don't get that sense with VW. Last year it was all about "let him figure things out", and now he's shooting even more 3's. To me, seems like he's doing what he wants.

The guy shoots 3’s without a hand on his face. That’s practice shots. I’d make him shoot those as long as he’s making them. What I observe is he tries to shoot them early, but reel it in in the 4th when the game is close. Again the guy is an anomaly. There’s no similar player to pattern his game from. It’s responsible to try where to maximize his skills for the W. The team is way from a finish product.

[Raven]

he's not the only one, donut always goes for the stepback 3, even though he's the most skilled post player maybe of all time, lebron always goes for the penetration, derozan always goes for the mid range jumper... there's a lack of variety in the players moves, despite the capabilities.

[baseline bum]

The entire team looked like they didn’t want to be there last night. That includes the veterans Barnes and Chris Paul. A lethargic effort by the entire group. Not sure what the reason was for that. Vassell’s play was encouraging, but even he wasn’t as engaged on the defensive end as he could have been. They really weren’t starting anything defensively and that’s where you win games. The Spurs were clearly out-hustled in this one. The Suns wanted it more and Bud outcoached us.

HB just looked like he couldn't buy a bucket last night, missing bunnies he's usually pretty reliable on. Shit happens I guess.

[Chomag]

Chucking the 3 all the time especially almost logo ones takes away 1 of Wemby’s biggest advantages of being the tallest player on the floor so yes he needs to chill out on it a bit.

[spurraider21]

Chucking the 3 all the time especially almost logo ones takes away 1 of Wemby’s biggest advantages of being the tallest player on the floor so yes he needs to chill out on it a bit.
yeah i dont know if him taking more than 50% of his shots from 3 is the way to go, but to be fair, being the tallest player on the floor also gives him a wild advantage at the three-ball as well, since theres virtually no way to contest it. he doesnt have to do anything remarkable to free himself up for a shot. defense cant really take it away. i think its fine to allow him to develop that shot, but there generally needs to be a better balance. theres also an argument to be made that him taking more 3's allows him to conserve energy to allow him to play more minutes or be more active defensively.

[skin27]

Wemby only has post moves in 2k lol

[LeBowen]

Wemby only has post moves in 2k lol

Much like you just play 2k and don't watch actual games.

[skin27]

holding the Suns to 104 points while you're not hitting any shots is actually great. Spurs D kept them in the game. Although I agree, Wemby looked lazy on that end in a bunch of posessions.

durant was out tbh

[skin27]

Much like you just play 2k and don't watch actual games.

I just subscribe to league pass.lol i was able to watch last night’s game live

[z0sa]

I forgot that one of the reasons I liked Devin was because I thought he showed up in that one play-in game the Spurs had a few years ago (I think it was against NO). I thought Devin showed up and played with a bit of mental toughness. Might not have had a huge stat line, but it didn't look like the pressure got to him. I remember being disappointed in Dejounte as he had a poor game (At the time, I thought he didn't show much mental toughness). To be fair, though, I think that was when Dejounte also missed most of the final regular season games in April, so maybe he was still sick, or not in-form going into that game.

Agree about Vassell. I think if he starts and plays 38 minutes rather than coming off the bench for 28 minutes, this game flows a lot differently. He IS our 2nd best player, and it’s still not even particularly close if you ask me.

[LeBowen]

Agree about Vassell. I think if he starts and plays 38 minutes rather than coming off the bench for 28 minutes, this game flows a lot differently. He IS our 2nd best player, and it’s still not even particularly close if you ask me.

Our biggest issue is that we got very little self-creation across the roster.
Yeah, sharing the ball and not isoing is nice, but most of our bad possessions come down to noone being able to penetrate the paint or create an advantage by themselves.

CP3's legs are gone, he legit never attacks the basket.
Castle is probably our best paint penetrator, which says a lot. But his shot is unreliable and opponents will just sag off, making the drive a lot harder.
Keldon can get to the rim, but he's got a serious case of tunnel vision and his drives are so random, can't be relied on.
Others aren't even worth mentioning when it comes to giving them the ball and hoping they'll create an advantage.

Aside from Wemby, obviously. But he's really inefficent in isolation because of his turnover ratio.

We need a player who can score from tough situations without having to give the ball up. It's not something we should base our offense on, but we can't just keep passing it around if the play is broken, we don't get good shots like that.

[scott]

Wemby will be fine - this is just another learning moment for him.

But it does reinforce why I'd prefer we put a stronger team around him that doesn't require otherworldly games from him to be able to win. This loss was far less demoralizing than some of the others early in the season though. We'll rebound.

[John B]

Our biggest issue is that we got very little self-creation across the roster.
Yeah, sharing the ball and not isoing is nice, but most of our bad possessions come down to noone being able to penetrate the paint or create an advantage by themselves.

CP3's legs are gone, he legit never attacks the basket.
Castle is probably our best paint penetrator, which says a lot. But his shot is unreliable and opponents will just sag off, making the drive a lot harder.
Keldon can get to the rim, but he's got a serious case of tunnel vision and his drives are so random, can't be relied on.
Others aren't even worth mentioning when it comes to giving them the ball and hoping they'll create an advantage.

Aside from Wemby, obviously. But he's really inefficent in isolation because of his turnover ratio.

We need a player who can score from tough situations without having to give the ball up. It's not something we should base our offense on, but we can't just keep passing it around if the play is broken, we don't get good shots like that.

Vassell can iso and take shots, likewise Barnes in a lesser capacity, for now.

Currently Tankathon has Spurs picking 3 FRP’s, 13, 15 and 17. I’d take 6’10 Newell for added paint defense and 6’8” McNeeley for added shooting (ST seems to like those Laker white guys Reaves/Knecht that Spurs FO should’ve picked :lol)

[thOOdee]

100% agree, but feel it's one of those things where sometimes people just have to learn the hard way. But if he wants to be one of the greatest, wemby will have to make a tweak and prioritize his post game more than his outside game in the long run. Thank god we have room for experimentation still this year.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I haven’t posted here in a while.and I am obviously ecstasic about the Spurs becoming relevant again.


Lucking out with a bonafide generational talent certainly gave this franchise a new lease of life—a true foundational piece for a potential new dynasty.


My nitpick with this dude: As someone who had been accustomed to Tim Duncan 19-year-long, night in-night-out, two-way excellence I just hate to see how much Wemby leaves on the table when his precious 3-POINT CHUCKING doesn’t work on the night. I know it is totally different era, but when Wembanmaya becomes disinterested even in his bread and butter (defense & rim protection), when the 3-ball isn’t falling for him, is both frustrating and alarming. It is like this obsession with becoming a 7’4 KD/CURRY is already holding him back. Just look at that abysmal free-throw rate for someone with his size/skills. He completely retreats into his shelf when he is not hitting behind the arc.


I know he is only 20, but even the best prospects need to have their bad habits coached out of their system. Dude, for heaven sake, just swap Jamal Crawford for Timmy/Hakeem and let's have another legendary ride:toast

This post I agree with 200%. I don't fucking care about era, we drafted the guy to be a 7'4" Olajuwon or Duncan, and he's been putting up those numbers on the surface, but the problem is that today's NBA is fucked and unfuckable, thanks to faggots like Curry, Durant, and Silver having completely fucked the league permanently into arcade skittle mode chuckball. That's just about every player today, not just Wemby, unfortunately.

Fuck Silver, fuck today's NBA, honestly the 90s and 00s were great but if we're going to bring back the early 80s tempo then it's time to get rid of the three point shot now tbh.

[scott]

Wemby is officially listed as OUT tomorrow versus the Bulls.

[Joseph Kony]

:lol Spurs trying to give one to chicago to help their record for det pick

[John B]

This post I agree with 200%. I don't fucking care about era, we drafted the guy to be a 7'4" Olajuwon or Duncan, and he's been putting up those numbers on the surface, but the problem is that today's NBA is fucked and unfuckable, thanks to faggots like Curry, Durant, and Silver having completely fucked the league permanently into arcade skittle mode chuckball. That's just about every player today, not just Wemby, unfortunately.

Fuck Silver, fuck today's NBA, honestly the 90s and 00s were great but if we're going to bring back the early 80s tempo then it's time to get rid of the three point shot now tbh.

Whatever era, I think Wemby still shoots the 3. Imagine the Bad Boys Laimbeer and Mahorn guarding him on the post. And the lanes are clogged because they didn’t space out as much back then.

Wemby is not a finish product. I don’t know if he could bulk up like Giannis, but it took Giannis years or about 5-7 lbs increase in weight every year. And Wemby is sooo tall, his dribble is too high going through traffic. Nor he has low center-gravity like Duncan to backdown defenders. But Wemby has the height to shoot open shots, every time so why not maximize that?

[Joseph Kony]

Do agree though somewhat. Wemby is obviously a special talent and i have no doubt the kid works his ass off but he definitely has a tendency to sleepwalk thru the first quarter and obviously we'd all like for him to be more aggressive in trying to get to the paint so he can maximize his greatest advantage. And as good as he is on defense he coasts on that end a lot too by virtue of just being tall but that doesnt always work. i'm hoping this is just a case of him bringing himself along slowly and gearing up for the long season. but these games where he chucks endlessly from three after going like 0-5 or 1-5 to start instead of trying to get some easy shots near the bucket are getting frustrating. his lack of FT attempts is kind of alarming also

[TrainOfThought5]

Do you even watch games?
Before this one, out of his last 8 games 20/10/2 with 4 blocks was the worst statline.
31/11/4.5 with 3.4 blocks in that stretch, 54/43/78 shooting splits.
If that's "one ggame he's great and then sucks ass on the next one", then I honestly don't know what to say without using insults.

Some of you people are completely delusional, there's just no other way to say it.
Or you're just trolling and baiting on purpose.


everyone knows that even when Wemby isn’t good, he’s still good. Some of this is Tim Duncan’s shadow of consistency.

[John B]

Wemby out tomorrow against the Bulls with back soreness. People bitches Wemby’s not playing enough minutes, pacing himself, not attacking the paint more, etc . This guy plays both sides of the court :ihit

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[Spurs Homer]

he was 7/7 from 3 in that game. Huge stat line obviously with 20+ points. Anybody saying Devin should go to the bench has lost their mind.

Hasn't it been kind of nice to have devin come in and provide some scoring punch?

I like keeping the starters intact - more balanced and castle excels as a starter...barnes or champagnie can alternate as starters but having vassel come in after vw rests is better imo- so the offense doesnt have to depend on zollins and other streaky offensive players...

[The Truth #6]

I'm torn. Start Devin and make him play less hero ball, or come off the bench with more freedom. I'd prefer him starting IF he can play within the system. To his credit, he's been playing a better brand of basketball lately.

[exstatic]

I'm torn. Start Devin and make him play less hero ball, or come off the bench with more freedom. I'd prefer him starting IF he can play within the system. To his credit, he's been playing a better brand of basketball lately.

His USG% is 27.3, higher than at any point in his career.

[polandprzem]

Wemby out tomorrow against the Bulls with back soreness. People bitches Wemby’s not playing enough minutes, pacing himself, not attacking the paint more, etc . This guy plays both sides of the court :ihit

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He should have every 2nd week off. He plays he shoots, defense offense ... let him sit more

[z0sa]

Our biggest issue is that we got very little self-creation across the roster.
Yeah, sharing the ball and not isoing is nice, but most of our bad possessions come down to noone being able to penetrate the paint or create an advantage by themselves.

CP3's legs are gone, he legit never attacks the basket.
Castle is probably our best paint penetrator, which says a lot. But his shot is unreliable and opponents will just sag off, making the drive a lot harder.
Keldon can get to the rim, but he's got a serious case of tunnel vision and his drives are so random, can't be relied on.
Others aren't even worth mentioning when it comes to giving them the ball and hoping they'll create an advantage.

Aside from Wemby, obviously. But he's really inefficent in isolation because of his turnover ratio.

We need a player who can score from tough situations without having to give the ball up. It's not something we should base our offense on, but we can't just keep passing it around if the play is broken, we don't get good shots like that.

Agreed for the most part. Wemby is turning a corner already, I feel, despite the Suns debacle. Versus the Kings, he was punishing mismatches in the post late in the game. It was a thing of beauty, for instance, when he spun on the rookie Ellis I believe to score a super easy 2 in the guts of the game.

But, much seems predicated on his 3 falling. He did have a stretch @ Suns at the start of the 3rd where he banged out a quick 12 points in less than 5 minutes (I remember Sean talking about it at the time). They were almost entirely looks in the paint, but we started chucking again and the momentum was lost.

As for CP3, I brought this up just before pre-season. Much, too much, is riding on him being not only healthy, but playing at a high level (if a play-in spot is the goal). CP3 is nifty with passing in the screen and roll but you're totally correct when you say his legs are, for the most part, gone. There's stretches where he channels 30-year old CP3 but they're understandably few and far between.

Agree as well with Castle. It's only a pyrrhic victory at this point if he shoots well in one game, because then it seems already like he wants to overrely on it to give him space in other games where it isn't falling. He needs to learn how to make defenses pay even if he isn't shooting from outside, which by itself is a monumental task for most players much less a rookie. We can't rely on him to be The Guy (in terms of that crunchtime/playoff atmosphere) in year 1 - it's not reasonable nor fair for his development.

Keldon, well we've talked long about KJ. He is who he is at this point. I'm with baseline bum in thinking that we should have traded him early in Wemby's career when his stats/trade value were at their highest and gotten value. He'll never replicate 2022-23 production, it's clear to me at least, and he's not high IQ enough to consistently impact games positively. I think though, something telling that isn't talked about much is how often CP3 gets after Keldon for his defensive lapses. He often has this offended look too if you watch closely. He's one of those who gets sick of CP3 quick and eventually gets him run off (if CP had much more time left in the League).

Vassell really is our only hope in terms of a player besides Wemby who you can simply run off screens or hand the ball to and expect results. Castle needs time, CP3 is simply way past his prime, and KJ isn't smart enough basketball-wise to be a guy who just gets you buckets. Out of those 3, I'm putting my faith in Castle since his IQ is already higher than Keldon's, if not his experience, of course.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He is so incosistent tbh. One quarter he’s great and then suck ass on the next one

Fixed

[SouthernFried]

Castle shows more Poise than Wemby. Hell, Castle shows more Poise than everyone on this team except Paul and Harrison. When those 3 are on the court, I enjoy watching the game. May not be the most talented combo...but, it's a high BBIQ combo. Which is what I love to watch.

When everyone else is on the court...I cringe at the Low BBIQ.

[The Truth #6]

His USG% is 27.3, higher than at any point in his career.

Well, I guess he can stay on the second unit. Ha.

[MannyIsGod]

Lazy is a word I'll never use in reference to wemby and I think you using it makes it hard to take this post seriously.

[exstatic]

Well, I guess he can stay on the second unit. Ha.

Highest USG% isn’t the counter argument to hero ball. People here listen to the NBA talking heads too much. Barkley says that he takes too difficult of shots, but he’s shooting a TS% of 65.5 taking those shots. That’s elite, so maybe he’s just that good?

[Brazil]

Lazy ? :lol

Victor has still to build stamina, in a context where he plays both end fully, it is quite normal for him to try to pace himself during the games.

[100%duncan]

I'm more worried about Wemby's rebounding than his shot diet tbh. He has quietly developed some quick post moves and it's obvious he's chucking 3s in the first half to preserve for the 2nd half. Besides, he's @ 34% on threes on a million attempts, league average is 36%. We just have to live with this for now.

His rebounding otherwise have much to be desired for. The pels big missed an easy put back late in the game cause Wemby didn't rebound.

I know he's averaging a double double but I feel like those 10 boards can be around 12-13rpg tbh.

[itzsoweezee]

I'm more worried about Wemby's rebounding than his shot diet tbh. He has quietly developed some quick post moves and it's obvious he's chucking 3s in the first half to preserve for the 2nd half. Besides, he's @ 34% on threes on a million attempts, league average is 36%. We just have to live with this for now.

His rebounding otherwise have much to be desired for. The pels big missed an easy put back late in the game cause Wemby didn't rebound.

I know he's averaging a double double but I feel like those 10 boards can be around 12-13rpg tbh.

He doesn’t get offensive rebounds anymore because he’s out on the perimeter. Earlier in the year, the difference in offensive rebounding between last season and this one was stark. I assume it hasn’t gotten much better.

[100%duncan]

He doesn’t get offensive rebounds anymore because he’s out on the perimeter. Earlier in the year, the difference in offensive rebounding between last season and this one was stark. I assume it hasn’t gotten much better.

He's subpar (compared to his potential and size) on defensive rebounding as well.

[TheBallsbreakers]

He's subpar (compared to his potential and size) on defensive rebounding as well.
You'd think Wemby is Ben Wallace when you check Holmgren's rebounding numbers.

[exstatic]

He's subpar (compared to his potential and size) on defensive rebounding as well.

His defensive rebounding % is 27.4. If you don’t understand that stat, when he’s on the floor with 9 other guys, and an opponent shot misses, he gets slightly more than 1/4 of those boards. That’s pretty elite.

[polandprzem]

His defensive rebounding % is 27.4. If you don’t understand that stat, when he’s on the floor with 9 other guys, and an opponent shot misses, he gets slightly more than 1/4 of those boards. That’s pretty elite.
#9 in the league

[itzsoweezee]

#9 in the league

He’s also #1 in block percentage by an extremely high margin. Having to attempt so many blocks, it’s not surprising he’s out of position to defensively rebound. Nevertheless, he’s still elite at defensive rebounding.

And whether the added benefit of his increased three point shooting offsets the reduction in wemby’s offensive rebounding is hard to tell, but it’s very possible it’s worth it given how little three point shooting there is in the rest of the roster.

[scott]

Wemby has an elite rebounding % because he has elite size, but fundamentally he's not a very good rebounder. That's mostly a function of his frame though, as he's easily pushed off the blocks, which he compensates for by just reaching over smaller dudes. But someone like Jonas or Steven Adams (or CBass) is going to easily be able to beat him to rebounds. Just something we'll have to deal with as a trade off of his size.

Also, itzsoweezee's point about Wemby being out of position because of blocks is a very good one.

It's a bit of a stretch to call him soft or lazy because of this, but it definitely puts us at a disadvantage at times, which is why it's important for our PF to be a strong rebounder. Sochan has significantly improved this year, not just in his raw REB numbers, but if you look at his REB% he's gone from 11.0 and 11.7 in his first two years to 16.0 this year.

[polandprzem]

He’s also #1 in block percentage by an extremely high margin. Having to attempt so many blocks, it’s not surprising he’s out of position to defensively rebound. Nevertheless, he’s still elite at defensive rebounding.

And whether the added benefit of his increased three point shooting offsets the reduction in wemby’s offensive rebounding is hard to tell, but it’s very possible it’s worth it given how little three point shooting there is in the rest of the roster.

blk% he is 2nd to Kessler

[scott]

blk% he is 2nd to Kessler

Fun fact, Wemby doesn't even lead the team in BLK%. That honor goes to Charles Bassey (10.7% compared to 9.4% for Wemby).

[Obstructed_View]

Player in his second year, banged up, recently missed games, surrounded by guys who can't shoot, consistently steps up in crunch time and makes clutch plays on both ends of the floor, and some fucking retard says he's soft and lazy.

Lol spurfan

[polandprzem]

Player in his second year, banged up, recently missed games, surrounded by guys who can't shoot, consistently steps up in crunch time and makes clutch plays on both ends of the floor, and some fucking retard says he's soft and lazy.

Lol spurfan
Well tbh there is occasionally in the title thread

[Obstructed_View]

Well tbh there is occasionally in the title thread
Lol excellent point. Seriously, Vic is so clutch. He's so team aware. The Spurs need to take it upon themselves to keep the game close so Vic is fresh to finish it off, like the Jordan Bulls finally figured out how to do.

[itzsoweezee]

blk% he is 2nd to Kessler

Must have been a minutes minimum in the rankings I saw.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Must have been a minutes minimum in the rankings I saw.
Wemby has devoured more of Kessler's shots than vice versa.
Kid really does morph the court while he's in there.
Opposing teams' commentators spend a good chunk of their time chastising players for daring to challenge the Frenchman.
Literal game-changer.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

holding the Suns to 104 points while you're not hitting any shots is actually great. Spurs D kept them in the game. Although I agree, Wemby looked lazy on that end in a bunch of posessions.

Yeah, that was a misleading score though. I was at the game and it was just a battle of attrition in this one. Two teams sleep walking. It reminded me of the “don’t call them” tank games before we got Wemby. Whenever the Suns wanted to turn on the jets they did, just enough to win. I wouldn’t pat the Spurs on the back for their defense. It was two teams who looked like they both needed nap time.

Sadly that lack of effort on defense has carried forward. The Spurs are in a bit of a funk, even with the Pelicans win. Wemby or no, they took their foot off the gas a bit. Hopefully this little break will do them some good and thry’ll come out of it rejuvenated and healthier.

[spursistan]

1867785143827718478

No way you can convince me that the optimal Wemby offense is chucking threes over stuff like. Granted you want to spare him the wear and tear from banging with bodies down low and he is not yet physically up to it, but still i want a heavy diet of easy buckets and free throws (shooting a ridiculous 88.5% from the line this season btw).

[OldMan88]

Does anyone else remember when DRob was criticized for preferring to play out of the high post instead of banging down low?

[Gagnrath]

I'm more worried about Wemby's rebounding than his shot diet tbh. He has quietly developed some quick post moves and it's obvious he's chucking 3s in the first half to preserve for the 2nd half. Besides, he's @ 34% on threes on a million attempts, league average is 36%. We just have to live with this for now.

His rebounding otherwise have much to be desired for. The pels big missed an easy put back late in the game cause Wemby didn't rebound.

I know he's averaging a double double but I feel like those 10 boards can be around 12-13rpg tbh.

They can be but you're also looking at a 20 y/o who is 7'3", he's not grown into his frame muscle wise and it looks like he's also going to stay a guy who is more slender, better on his knees long term but means he's a bit easier for guys who are 6'8" and 6'10 and the same weight to move him especially when they're in their at their prime adult strength and he's 3 or 4 years away. Can he fight for those extra 3 or 4 a night in meaningless games in November December when is team is a fringe play-off team? Sure and with some people you want them to. He seems smart enough to know that right now he's developing skills and moves and not trying to beat himself into a pulp over the course of a season. When we have one more piece is when he needs to start fighting for those at this point its not worth it.

[cutewizard]

I wish this Maestro was with us,

How could the front office miss him??????????????

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-nEHXGsd1c

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fai_cwpo4dA

[SouthernFried]

Does anyone notice how much effort it takes for Wemby to move?

I mean, every time he needs to move, it's like he has to work his whole body to get it going. Flailing arms and body all over the place. Looks like Gumby out there. But, all that body and arm movement must take more effort than someone who doesn't need to do that. Maybe why he looks gassed so often. It just might take more energy to get him going. He looks ok, even lazy, when going up and down the court, unless they are doing it a lot. A young team tends to run it back quicker then an older team. Both good and bad there. But I think it takes a toll on someone like Wemby. He looks slim and athletic and for a 7'4" person, and he is. He's actually more limber than athletic. But, he's still 7'4". There's a lot to move. Even in the half-court, when Wemby makes moves, it's seem there is a lot of effort required to get all his limbs moving along with him...;)

[skin27]

Only one problem with wemby is he cant drive to the basket from the 3pt line because he’s dribble is so high and will only result in a turnover or getting stripand you cant just pound him the ball in the paint cause he doesnt have low post game. So he stuck on jacking up 3’s to score..he’s also not a very good rebounder to get points from put back or offensive rebound.

[exstatic]

Only one problem with wemby is he cant drive to the basket from the 3pt line because he’s dribble is so high and will only result in a turnover or getting stripand you cant just pound him the ball in the paint cause he doesnt have low post game. So he stuck on jacking up 3’s to score..he’s also not a very good rebounder to get points from put back or offensive rebound.

He
Only
Needs
One
Dribble

I agree that he doesn’t need to be over dribbling,but it shouldn’t be difficult to get to the cup with one dribble combined with his stride length.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby thinks about too many options rather than having a couple of go-to moves (in the paint) that would make his life easier.

I get his ambition, but he's being too greedy for now imo and will have to settle at some point.

It goes for Mitch as well who needs to put Wemby in better situations rather than using him as a swiss knife

[spursistan]

Dem rebounds !!!! 6 in 37 minutes is bordering on board-allergy..

[CGD]

Dem rebounds !!!! 6 in 37 minutes is bordering on board-allergy..

lol— dude drops 42pt including 47% from 3 (on 15 attempts), 4 blocks, 5 assists, 2 steals. Insanely clutch in OT. But his rebounds!

Maybe he should get dunked on more.

[skin27]

Dem rebounds !!!! 6 in 37 minutes is bordering on board-allergy..

that is sad. Looks kike wemby doesnt care about rebounds.

[tonight...you]

that is sad. Looks kike wemby doesnt care about rebounds.
Trade him for someone who cares.

[MannyIsGod]

Y'all are wild.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Dem rebounds !!!! 6 in 37 minutes is bordering on board-allergy..
You've been whining about it all game, WTF.
WE get the win and the kid was clutch but booo hoo his rebounds...
He was regularly getting pulled out of the paint, especially when Nance was starting to get hot from 3.
Rebounds are not always there. He's averaging 10 rebounds, FFS.
Maybe he should box out his own teammates to satiate your craving for stats, huh?

[skin27]

You've been whining about it all game, WTF.
WE get the win and the kid was clutch but booo hoo his rebounds...
He was regularly getting pulled out of the paint, especially when Nance was starting to get hot from 3.
Rebounds are not always there. He's averaging 10 rebounds, FFS.
Maybe he should box out his own teammates to satiate your craving for stats, huh?

7’3 guy with only 6 rebounds in 37 minutes of play sucks. Tbh

[TheBallsbreakers]

7’3 guy with only 6 rebounds in 37 minutes of play sucks. Tbh
Stat-watching sucks, TBH.

[skin27]

Stat-watching sucks, TBH.

ofcourse why not. He needs stats for accolades

[T Park]

The retardedness is at an all time high in this thread

[polandprzem]

The retardedness is at an all time high in this thread
U the proof

[scott]

The retardedness is at an all time high in this thread

And that's before you showed up, which is really saying something

[MannyIsGod]

And that's before you showed up, which is really saying something

Reel Classey

[polandprzem]

Truth the matter is he is not great rebounder and never was. He is getting better though cause he can hold his position better then last year. But still fighting for rebs is not in his blood :)


His soft and lazy play at times also are less seen. His tendencies to not compete are hopefully going away

[TheBallsbreakers]

A 7'5 dude who defends both inside and on the perimeter, covers for teammates on defense almost all the time AND at the same time leading the team on offense (scoring and facilitating) is lazy?

That's asinine.

[TheBallsbreakers]

"Tendencies to not compete"? WTF haha

[polandprzem]

"Tendencies to not compete"? WTF haha

yup

[Spurs Homer]

Player in his second year, banged up, recently missed games, surrounded by guys who can't shoot, consistently steps up in crunch time and makes clutch plays on both ends of the floor, and some fucking retard says he's soft and lazy.

Lol spurfan

Exactly.

Other night wemby poured in 42 pts, a few blocks, and outscored the entire Hawks team in OT...
and some moron here was bitching about wembys "bad" rebounding...

morons

[Obstructed_View]

Exactly.

Other night wemby poured in 42 pts, a few blocks, and outscored the entire Hawks team in OT...
and some moron here was bitching about wembys "bad" rebounding...

morons
Lol yeah I commented on that one. I bet they did it to Jordan.

[polandprzem]

Lol yeah I commented on that one. I bet they did it to Jordan.
Who did what to Jordan? :lmao

[Obstructed_View]

Who did what to Jordan? :lmao
Dumbfuck fans complaining that he didn't do enough. "Yeah he scored 55 points, but he only had two assists." Jordan benefitted from the lack of online social media.

[OldMan88]

Does anyone notice how much effort it takes for Wemby to move?

I mean, every time he needs to move, it's like he has to work his whole body to get it going. Flailing arms and body all over the place. Looks like Gumby out there. But, all that body and arm movement must take more effort than someone who doesn't need to do that. Maybe why he looks gassed so often. It just might take more energy to get him going. He looks ok, even lazy, when going up and down the court, unless they are doing it a lot. A young team tends to run it back quicker then an older team. Both good and bad there. But I think it takes a toll on someone like Wemby. He looks slim and athletic and for a 7'4" person, and he is. He's actually more limber than athletic. But, he's still 7'4". There's a lot to move. Even in the half-court, when Wemby makes moves, it's seem there is a lot of effort required to get all his limbs moving along with him...;)

Basically, Wemby’s still in his baby giraffe stage of development. When he finishes growing & adding muscle, he’ll be better, but still very much a giraffe. He’ll never be highly maneuverable and will have to rely on finesse & great footwork. Those huge feet are still going to be like playing in snowshoes.

[itzsoweezee]

Exactly.

Other night wemby poured in 42 pts, a few blocks, and outscored the entire Hawks team in OT...
and some moron here was bitching about wembys "bad" rebounding...

morons

There’s one dumbass on here who called him Bol Bol earlier this season. Never underestimate the stupidity of spurstalkers

[MannyIsGod]

Lazy is a word I'll never use in reference to wemby and I think you using it makes it hard to take this post seriously.

[RC_Drunkford]

There’s one dumbass on here who called him Bol Bol earlier this season. Never underestimate the stupidity of spurstalkers

Shaq got an account here too?

[polandprzem]

Dumbfuck fans complaining that he didn't do enough. "Yeah he scored 55 points, but he only had two assists." Jordan benefitted from the lack of online social media.
yea but it does not do anything to the players tbh.

[TheChillFactor]

y'all mfers really ain't shit

[Obstructed_View]

yea but it does not do anything to the players tbh.
No it doesn't. Just makes the fans saying things like that complete retards.

[spursistan]

Third straight game without double-digit rebounds (played 37 minutes). I'm just gonna echo Pauleta14 : Wemby simply doesn't have nose for rebounding and it is unfortunately bad optics given his extraordinary height.. What's worse is that he was better and more forceful at it in his rookie season.

[skin27]

Third straight game without double-digit rebounds (played 37 minutes). I'm just gonna echo Pauleta14 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15128) : Wemby simply doesn't have nose for rebounding and it is unfortunately bad optics given his extraordinary height.. What's worse is that he was better and more forceful at it in his rookie season.

i already said that at the very start of the season. It sucks for him that he might not average double digit rebounds this season or average double double.

[MannyIsGod]

20 year old is one of the most impactful players in the league and y'all talking about optics.

[Thomas82]

Third straight game without double-digit rebounds (played 37 minutes). I'm just gonna echo Pauleta14 : Wemby simply doesn't have nose for rebounding and it is unfortunately bad optics given his extraordinary height.. What's worse is that he was better and more forceful at it in his rookie season.

His average is now 9.9 RPG for the season.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Holmgren, Jaren Jackson Jr., hecl even Zach Edey and Donovan Clingan are averaging less than 7 rebounds a game.

10 rebounds a game is Ben Wallace numbers in today's game.

[polandprzem]

His rebounding was one of the issues I had with him at the beginning of last season. He got better at rebounding since then but he is not great at it.

Sits at #23 in rebs %

[all blacks]

To expect him to be grabbing more rebounds than he is is obvious, given his height and his attributes. Plus, we all have to look at the big picture. Why isn't he grabbing them? The first thing that stands out is that he is a generous guy, when there are loose rebounds he doesn't try to take them and lets his closest teammate do it.
He is not overly concerned about personal statistics. His thing is team effort
And the other thing is that if you look at his game, he always prioritizes the box out. As soon as he sees that someone is about to throw the ball, he takes care of enclosing his man so that he doesn't take the offensive rebound.
He prefers to prevent his man from getting an offensive rebound and have one of his teammates take charge of the rebound. That's his mentality. And that makes him different.I could go after personal stats, but I prefer this team game actually.

[polandprzem]

To expect him to be grabbing more rebounds than he is is obvious, given his height and his attributes. Plus, we all have to look at the big picture. Why isn't he grabbing them? The first thing that stands out is that he is a generous guy, when there are loose rebounds he doesn't try to take them and lets his closest teammate do it.
He is not overly concerned about personal statistics. His thing is team effort
And the other thing is that if you look at his game, he always prioritizes the box out. As soon as he sees that someone is about to throw the ball, he takes care of enclosing his man so that he doesn't take the offensive rebound.
He prefers to prevent his man from getting an offensive rebound and have one of his teammates take charge of the rebound. That's his mentality. And that makes him different.I could go after personal stats, but I prefer this team game actually.
he's been pushed of positions for rebs more then anything. He just loses those battles. You can argue that's those 2rebs per game more.

All in IMO he will grab more later in the season and he easily can be top8.

[TheBallsbreakers]

REBOUNDSSSSSSSS!

[Pauleta14]

To expect him to be grabbing more rebounds than he is is obvious, given his height and his attributes. Plus, we all have to look at the big picture. Why isn't he grabbing them? The first thing that stands out is that he is a generous guy, when there are loose rebounds he doesn't try to take them and lets his closest teammate do it.
He is not overly concerned about personal statistics. His thing is team effort
And the other thing is that if you look at his game, he always prioritizes the box out. As soon as he sees that someone is about to throw the ball, he takes care of enclosing his man so that he doesn't take the offensive rebound.
He prefers to prevent his man from getting an offensive rebound and have one of his teammates take charge of the rebound. That's his mentality. And that makes him different.I could go after personal stats, but I prefer this team game actually.

Totally agree.

Not sure he can change but he needs to become a bit more cynical like 99% of players are. Numbers and perception matters (unfortunatelly) as much or more than reality in today's NBA

[LeBowen]

Brook Lopez led the league in boxouts for many years and averaged like 5 rebounds.

As for Wemby, he doesn't contest guaranteed rebounds, would easily have a couple more every game.
He also can't rebound on drives unless he blocks and catches the ball.
When he's slightly out of the paint, he tries to leak out for easy points if his teammates are in good rebounding positions.

[Obstructed_View]

Fuckin lazy shit has no steals at halftime.

[cutewizard]

fierce game today

[Obstructed_View]

Brook Lopez led the league in boxouts for many years and averaged like 5 rebounds.

As for Wemby, he doesn't contest guaranteed rebounds, would easily have a couple more every game.
He also can't rebound on drives unless he blocks and catches the ball.
When he's slightly out of the paint, he tries to leak out for easy points if his teammates are in good rebounding positions.
He taps rebounds to teammates all the time. There is only one stat he cares about.

[spurraider21]

brooklyn has 45 missed FGA and Wemby has 5 rebounds :stirpot:

[chubbs]

:lmao soft

[z0sa]

Yawn. 30+ points isn't soft. Ever. Keep your mind straight, friends.

[spursistan]

Disappointing play in the late stages of past the few games we lost. He seemed to fade physically as the minutes mounted.

[skin27]

Disappointing play in the late stages of past the few games we lost. He seemed to fade physically as the minutes mounted.


no.. he just missed his shots especially in the clutch and also some dumb decisions.

[spursparker9]

Disappointing play in the late stages of past the few games we lost. He seemed to fade physically as the minutes mounted.

Sophomore wall. Maybe its fatigue finally setting in due to Olympics

[LeBowen]

Sophomore wall. Maybe its fatigue finally setting in due to Olympics

He obviously needs to improve his conditioning, but how many players in the league have similar load on both ends?
We expect him to be a 30ppg scorer while also being by far the best defender in the league. He literally has to do everything by himself.
We're playing against a team with zero rim protection and we don't have one perimeter player who can reliably attack the rim.
Then you look at the Bulls and they just kept going at Wemby despite all the blocks.

[Pauleta14]

no.. he just missed his shots especially in the clutch and also some dumb decisions.

I'm not sure if it's a pb of energy but he tends recently to take less initiatives in the 4th compared to what he used to.

PS/ We all tend to take for granted his energy expenditure that is one of the highest in the league. He's barely 21

[rjv]

at least he included himself when speaking about how the spurs deserved to lose that game because of their lack of respect for the game. hope that translates to better choices made in critical moments of close games.

[rascal]

deleted posted in the wrong thread

[scott]

Two games ago he was a monster all game and in the clutch against DEN. Yeah, he didn't have great performances in DEN pt 2 or CHI, but I don't think that indicates a sophomore wall. Maybe some temporary fatigue setting in that he'll need to break through.

Even the most clutch players don't deliver EVERY time. Wemby is fine.

[John B]

Nah he’s soft. He’s just have more blocks than half of the teams in the league, covers both rims and blocks 3pt attempts, on top of leading the team in scoring. OP must be Chet’s girlfriend

[TrainOfThought5]

Most spoiled fanbase in the league confirmed.

[kxs783kms]

Most spoiled fanbase in the league confirmed.

Facts! The crying that goes on in here after every loss is crazy. Even the game announcers from opposing teams talk better about our players than some of these emotional fake fans. Wishing injury and more to our players is the worst.

[rjv]

Most spoiled fanbase in the league confirmed.

i think it's pretty much the same everywhere. becoming couch GMs and coaches is part of being a fan. some posters are pretty knowledgeable and compelling. and then there are those like the kind who though manu or TP sucked, or hated picking up the likes of a danny green or tiago splitter.

[skin27]

He will most likely out of top 5 in mvp race because of last 2 losses. However he should climb in the top 4 or even top 3 if spurs beat the bucks tomorrow and did not choked last 2 games vs denver and chicago.

[Tyronn Lue]

As long as he gets stats.

[skin27]

As long as he gets stats.

Stats+Wins= MVP

[Tyronn Lue]

Stats+playoffs= MVP
fixed

[spursistan]

Wemby blatantly checking out of the game because he got his shit pushed in on national TV was pretty sad sight..This wild inconsistency in performance is what keeps him a tier below the Jokic/Giannis of the world for now.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby blatantly checking out of the game because he got his shit pushed in on national TV was pretty sad sight..This wild inconsistency in performance is what keeps him a tier below the Jokic/Giannis of the world for now.

He should be ashamed tbh, 2nd season and still not the GOAT... smh

[skin27]

Wemby blatantly checking out of the game because he got his shit pushed in on national TV was pretty sad sight..This wild inconsistency in performance is what keeps him a tier below the Jokic/Giannis of the world for now.

incosistency tbh..only fckn 10pts tonight.

[BatManu20]

Wemby looked soft as baby shit tonight. Both physically and mentally. Worst game of his career imo all things considered.

[timtonymanu]

Dude is only 21 years old. :lol of course we can’t compare him yet to guys that are older and in their prime and have actually won titles. Hes a long way to go. He did suck tonight though. I hope he can figure it out.

[skin27]

Dude is only 21 years old. :lol of course we can’t compare him yet to guys that are older and in their prime and have actually won titles. Hes a long way to go. He did suck tonight though. I hope he can figure it out.

Duncan played like a superstar consistently when he was 21 years old as a rookie

[timtonymanu]

Duncan played like a superstar consistently when he was 21 years old as a rookie

I’m not making excuses for Wemby but did he ever have a David Robinson next to him in his rookie year? I’m not even arguing the criticisms against Wemby but complaining that he isn’t on the level of Giannis and Jokic is too premature, imo.

[AusSpur]

Would be nice if coach tried to get him a few touches closer to the basket. Mitch Johnson seems to have canned that weakside screen action that would usually get him a deep touch.

[spursistan]

I’m not making excuses for Wemby but did he ever have a David Robinson next to him in his rookie year? I’m not even arguing the criticisms against Wemby but complaining that he isn’t on the level of Giannis and Jokic is too premature, imo.
We watched nearly 20 years Duncan ball. Timmy struggled and had his off nights, but never played soft. He attacked the rack when the shots didn't fall to get himself going..Wemby 0 FTs tonight more or less encapsulates a worrying, recurring tendency of him shrinking in the face of game-planned physical defense..

[timtonymanu]

We watched nearly 20 years Duncan ball. Timmy struggled and had his off nights, but never played soft. He attacked the rack when the shots didn't fall to get himself going..Wemby 0 FTs tonight more or less encapsulates a worrying, recurring tendency of him shrinking in the face of game-planned physical defense..

Again, I’m not arguing against this. I’m also starting to believe this is just his limitation as a player. I hope he figures it out. But I would love for him to play with teammates where his second banana isn’t a 40 year old Chris Paul or a role player level Vassell before I start saying he’s not on the level of guys that are already in their prime.

[spursistan]

Again, I’m not arguing against this. I’m also starting to believe this is just his limitation as a player. I hope he figures it out. But I would love for him to play with teammates where his second banana isn’t a 40 year old Chris Paul or a role player level Vassell before I start saying he’s not on the level of guys that are already in their prime.

Not going to lie, man, i'm kinda slightly worried about these early bad habits/instincts. Just sucks Spurs don't have prime Pop to help him through these growing pains. We really need to hit on our next head coach and it would also help if Duncan takes him under his wing next offseason

[timtonymanu]

Yeah that’s exactly my whole point to this is that Wemby is surrounded by a content organization. Duncan had Pop before he went all “it’s just basketball” mode and getting mad at fans for booing opposing players. His teammates aren’t winning players except Chris Paul who is like 40 now. They’ve been more concerned about getting high character guys in the locker room but the problem is you need players that can win you games on the court.

Duncan was also just a different specimen in terms of work ethic. There’s none of that to rub off onto these players.

[spursistan]

This is why the Spurs need to make playoffs even as a low seed so Wemby gets a taste of post-season defensive intensity. Lebron/Luka got there quickly with of non-contending teams and the early playoffs experience most certainly helped both down the road.

[MannyIsGod]

Anyone who thinks Wemby is soft is a fucking moron and no one should waste time in a conversation with them tbqh.

[chubbs]

Anyone who doesn't think Wemby is soft is a fucking moron and no one should waste time in a conversation with them tbqh.

fixed

[blackbucket]

Wembanyama isn’t soft but he clearly had a soft game. That is fine to point that out. DRob had plenty of soft games but was still a HOF player. Give him time.

[skin27]

I’m not making excuses for Wemby but did he ever have a David Robinson next to him in his rookie year? I’m not even arguing the criticisms against Wemby but complaining that he isn’t on the level of Giannis and Jokic is too premature, imo.

wemby had cp3 now in his 2nd season.. a player cannot affect a certain player performance..the only difference of tmmy ti wemby is that timmy isnt soft and has a high basketball IQ than wemby

[LeBowen]

wemby had cp3 now in his 2nd season.. a player cannot affect a certain player performance..the only difference of tmmy ti wemby is that timmy isnt soft and has a high basketball IQ than wemby

It's just amazing how can people even think of such awful takes.

[skin27]

This is why the Spurs need to make playoffs even as a low seed so Wemby gets a taste of post-season defensive intensity. Lebron/Luka got there quickly with of non-contending teams and the early playoffs experience most certainly helped both down the road.

LeBron didnt make the palyoffs until his 3rd season

[Brazil]

Nah he’s soft. He’s just have more blocks than half of the teams in the league, covers both rims and blocks 3pt attempts, on top of leading the team in scoring. OP must be Chet’s girlfriend

:lol

[Brazil]

Duncan played like a superstar consistently when he was 21 years old as a rookie


:lol what a dumbass take... way to throw shit on a ventilator to see if some of it sticks.

21 y/o Victor is better on pretty much every aspect other than rebounding that 21 or even 22 y/o Tim. Besides you talk about consistency like Tim never had bad games, below 10 pts on an awful efficiency for instance during his rookie and sophomore years :lol like really ?

Not sure how old you are but I'm pretty sure we would have thrown same kind of shit in 98/99 comparing Tim to David.

Tim had a 5 pts game at 22 y/o against the fucking raptors in 99, game lost by the Spurs by 2 pts... "inconsistency tbh... only 5 fucking points that night"... we have seen how inconsistent has been in his career :lol

[skin27]

:lol what a dumbass take... way to throw shit on a ventilator to see if some of it sticks.

21 y/o Victor is better on pretty much every aspect other than rebounding that 21 or even 22 y/o Tim. Besides you talk about consistency like Tim never had bad games, below 10 pts on an awful efficiency for instance during his rookie and sophomore years :lol like really ?



Not sure how old you are but I'm pretty sure we would have thrown same kind of shit in 98/99 comparing Tim to David.

Tim had a 5 pts game at 22 y/o against the fucking raptors in 99, game lost by the Spurs by 2 pts... "inconsistency tbh... only 5 fucking points that night"... we have seen how inconsistent has been in his career :lol

but timmy was a all nba 1st team selection as rookie(21 years old). Let see if wemby can achieve that feat in his sophomore year. Also wemby doent have post up game, turnover prone and low basketball IQ so he’s not better on all aspect. If wemby has the basketball IQ of timmy im sure spurs have a better record and wemby might be top mvp candidate.

[CorrectCrusader]

This thread and everyone in it should be banned for at least a month imho

[Pauleta14]

I challenge anyone thinking Wemby is soft to name just one player with a bigger energy expenditure on both ends combined in the league.

Just one.

[Tyronn Lue]

I challenge anyone thinking Wemby is soft to name just one player with a bigger energy expenditure on both ends combined in the league.

Just one.
Wasn't about energy. The fans were energetic. Softness was about being bullied out of the paint and settling for that, basically vanishing. He has to take the lumps, he gets all the praise (rightly so).

[Splits]

srsly anyone shitting on VW in this thread should be pinked. Dude put up 35/18 on Jokic's home floor for a win less than a week ago

[Pauleta14]

Wasn't about energy. The fans were energetic. Softness was about being bullied out of the paint and settling for that, basically vanishing. He has to take the lumps, he gets all the praise (rightly so).

If there was a trend, I'd get it but considering his last couple months productions and who he has to play with it's quite surreal.

You need the energy to battle in the paint, especially considering how he was scouted and waited by the bucks.

Just heard a podcast saying they've never seen Giannis defend with such intensity and that refs let go too many fouls. On one play Giannis fouled him EIGHT times lmao.

When u think about it, last season's block on Giannis has been all over internet since they last meet and clearly he wanted to send a message. Wemby will learn to anticipate that.

[LeBowen]

Wasn't about energy. The fans were energetic. Softness was about being bullied out of the paint and settling for that, basically vanishing. He has to take the lumps, he gets all the praise (rightly so).

Is it really that hard to comprehend that a 21 year old who's severely underweight for his height has no fucking strength to bully people in the fucking paint? It's not like he can just go in there and push opponents out based on sheer will.
How's he supposed to move someone like Giannis? He flew away a couple of times when Giannis bumped him. He just doesn't have the required strength, nothing to do with effort.
And he's 100% engaged on almost every single defensive possession, takes a lot of energy. No other player in the league is required to carry so hard on both ends of the floor.
He needs to improve his conditioning and get stronger, but claiming he's the issue when he's surrounded with one of the worst rosters in the league is just idiotic.

[BatManu20]

Wasn't about energy. The fans were energetic. Softness was about being bullied out of the paint and settling for that, basically vanishing. He has to take the lumps, he gets all the praise (rightly so).

Yea not saying Wemby is soft, he's not. He did play a bit soft last night though. Bad game, it happens. He unsurprisingly seems to struggle with more physical defenses because he's so thin. He's also barely 21 and playing against grown men with more physical profiles so this is expected to a degree. He needs to continue to fill out his frame and more importantly, not let the physicality of other teams make him check out mentally. He basically disappeared in the game. The rest of our roster struggling/not being able to help with the scoring load only compounded the issue.

[baseline bum]

Duncan played like a superstar consistently when he was 21 years old as a rookie

For the hell of it I wanted to see what Giannis looked like at 21 against the Spurs and came across this beauty:

EDIT: Corrected the boxscore link

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201512020SAS.html

[BatManu20]

For the hell of it I wanted to see what Giannis looked like at 21 against the Spurs and came across this beauty:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html

God that OKC series was frustrating. Such a disappointing end to an incredible season too. Game 5 determined the series. KD actually didn't even play well that game, we just couldn't stop Westbrook. Game 6 in OKC was a bloodbath. We just didn't have the juice. Wouldn't have mattered anyways I suppose cause nobody was beating the Warriors in the West. Crazy that was almost a decade already.

[spurraider21]

God that OKC series was frustrating. Such a disappointing end to an incredible season too. Game 5 determined the series. KD actually didn't even play well that game, we just couldn't stop Westbrook. Game 6 in OKC was a bloodbath. We just didn't have the juice. Wouldn't have mattered anyways I suppose cause nobody was beating the Warriors in the West. Crazy that was almost a decade already.
spurs frontline getting abused by adams and kanter... duncan seemed pretty helpless on those knees. sad way to go out tbh

[baseline bum]

God that OKC series was frustrating. Such a disappointing end to an incredible season too. Game 5 determined the series. KD actually didn't even play well that game, we just couldn't stop Westbrook. Game 6 in OKC was a bloodbath. We just didn't have the juice. Wouldn't have mattered anyways I suppose cause nobody was beating the Warriors in the West. Crazy that was almost a decade already.

Shit meant to post the link to this boxscore where Giannis put up 7

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201512020SAS.html

[BatManu20]

spurs frontline getting abused by adams and kanter... duncan seemed pretty helpless on those knees. sad way to go out tbh

Fucking Adams dunking all over us like he was prime Dwight Howard. Depressing end for Timmy for sure but it was time tbh. His knees were cooked and as he said in his post-retirement interview, basketball just wasn't fun for him anymore. He wasn't enjoying it like he used to. His body was done. At least we got Tony & Manu for 2 more seasons after that, even if they were both pretty washed. Tony should've retired a Spur though. Still bothers me that he didn't tbh.

[exstatic]

Fucking Adams dunking all over us like he was prime Dwight Howard. Depressing end for Timmy for sure but it was time tbh. His knees were cooked and as he said in his post-retirement interview, basketball just wasn't fun for him anymore. He wasn't enjoying it like he used to. His body was done. At least we got Tony & Manu for 2 more seasons after that, even if they were both pretty washed. Tony should've retired a Spur though. Still bothers me that he didn't tbh.

He was told that Dejounte would start. It wasn’t a money thing. He left, and Dejounte missed the season with a torn ACL.

[spurraider21]

Fucking Adams dunking all over us like he was prime Dwight Howard. Depressing end for Timmy for sure but it was time tbh. His knees were cooked and as he said in his post-retirement interview, basketball just wasn't fun for him anymore. He wasn't enjoying it like he used to. His body was done. At least we got Tony & Manu for 2 more seasons after that, even if they were both pretty washed. Tony should've retired a Spur though. Still bothers me that he didn't tbh.
manu was still a contributor in his reduced role. was the very next season when he had the clutch block on harden, wasnt it?

[Brazil]

but timmy was a all nba 1st team selection as rookie(21 years old). Let see if wemby can achieve that feat in his sophomore year. Also wemby doent have post up game, turnover prone and low basketball IQ so he’s not better on all aspect. If wemby has the basketball IQ of timmy im sure spurs have a better record and wemby might be top mvp candidate.

Again bunch of random stuff that makes no sense.

but Victor was unanimous ROTY but Victor was runner up DPOY in 1st year at 20 but but but...

The rest about bb IQ and post up is just dumb also using TOV :lol Victor had same rookie numbers than Tim and in year 2 he has half a TOV more because guess what ? he handles the ball and has 2 more apg than Timmy.

Except for random shit about bb IQ (I would love you to show me how to quantify and measure up Victor and Tim bb IQ tbh... ) and post up game you have nothing :lol

Victor has more points, assists, blocks, steals, comparable efficiency than Tim at the same age, only difference in favor of Tim is rebounding but then go ahead and throw some but but bb IQ and whatever uncheckable shit you can think of to diss Victor inconsistency and 10 pts game :lol

[ffadicted]

This thread is completely out of control lmao Calling Wemby out for a bad game is fine, it was a bad game, and saying he needs to improve with go-to moves and getting to the basket more is fine too. But calling him in general a soft player and we are worried long term? People losing their marbles over here.
Kid was putting up 25 10 and 4 blocks at the ripe age of 20, while being the runaway DPOY favorite, lock for all star, lock for at least a second team All-NBA selection, and clearly has a mature and winning mentality. What else you fuckin want?

[TheBallsbreakers]

I take back what I said in the Bucks game thread. This kid ain't soft, and he's not becoming one either.

He'll make us eat crow soon enough.

[chubbs]

For the hell of it I wanted to see what Giannis looked like at 21 against the Spurs and came across this beauty:

EDIT: Corrected the boxscore link

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201512020SAS.html

the difference is giannis wasnt built up as the greatest prospect to ever play basketball and the guy who will soon dwarf mj/lebron in goat rankings

[sananspursfan21]

I remember Timmy having some “soft” games. It happens. Let’s see how he responds Saturday night. As for most of the rest of the team though….

[Spurminator]

the difference is giannis wasnt built up as the greatest prospect to ever play basketball and the guy who will soon dwarf mj/lebron in goat rankings

So players are accountable for the reputations heaped upon them by the public?

And who the fuck is saying he will "dwarf" MJ and LeBron, and do that "soon"? Either you're inventing a narrative that doesn't exist to justify a retarded take, or these were your retarded expectations in the first place and now you're mad.

[Spurminator]

I remember Timmy having some “soft” games. It happens. Let’s see how he responds Saturday night. As for most of the rest of the team though….

Every incredible physical specimen the NBA has ever seen has been accused of soft play at some point, because normal people can't comprehend how someone can appear to win the physical lottery and not look like Superman for 48 minutes.

[chubbs]

So players are accountable for the reputations heaped upon them by the public?

And who the fuck is saying he will "dwarf" MJ and LeBron, and do that "soon"? Either you're inventing a narrative that doesn't exist to justify a retarded take, or these were your retarded expectations in the first place and now you're mad.

:lmao those "narratives" were all over every major sports network, and littered all over this forum for the past two years :lmao :lmao :lmao

[sananspursfan21]

Every incredible physical specimen the NBA has ever seen has been accused of soft play at some point, because normal people can't comprehend how someone can appear to win the physical lottery and not look like Superman for 48 minutes.

True. They are human at the end of the day. They get sore, they lose toe nails from ramming their toes against their shoes for 48 minutes. They have personal lives that distract them at times (right RJ?)

[Brazil]

:lol you can call Victor what the fuck you want but soft and lazy ? :lol dude is the only super star who cares about defense... thats some lazy right there, sure. Calling him soft is also dumb, Victor contests dunk attempts of Giannis full speed, jokic, AD... all of them, he never backed down when teased.

Not calling out OP per say tbh... he is talking about occasional soft and lazy play and yes he has some moments where he is careless with the ball etc... but thread being transformed on ridiculous shit. How this kid is not playing 100% all the time and not carrying the corpses of Sochan, Johnson and Vassell to the best record in the league :lol

[Spurminator]

:lmao those "narratives" were all over every major sports network, and littered all over this forum for the past two years :lmao :lmao :lmao

No they weren't.

[Rosewood]

:lol this will be a prime bump thread in a few years.

[chubbs]

they were.

[tim_duncan_fan]

:lol this will be a prime bump thread in a few years.

It is fun to look back at how one has changed over the years.

I'm curious to see if he will get any thicker/stronger over time.

[Tyronn Lue]

Is it really that hard to comprehend that a 21 year old who's severely underweight for his height has no fucking strength to bully people in the fucking paint? It's not like he can just go in there and push opponents out based on sheer will.
How's he supposed to move someone like Giannis? He flew away a couple of times when Giannis bumped him. He just doesn't have the required strength, nothing to do with effort.
And he's 100% engaged on almost every single defensive possession, takes a lot of energy. No other player in the league is required to carry so hard on both ends of the floor.
He needs to improve his conditioning and get stronger, but claiming he's the issue when he's surrounded with one of the worst rosters in the league is just idiotic.
I've said he's not able to stay in the post, but that's why he's being called soft. I get it, but he has figured out ways to contribute before without occupying the post. He didn't do that in this game, not so much. He looked like he was under the weather. I didn't say he was the issue. I've said just the opposite. He was soft though.

[skin27]

the difference is giannis wasnt built up as the greatest prospect to ever play basketball and the guy who will soon dwarf mj/lebron in goat rankings
Yeah..giannis was not even a top 10 prospect.

[spursgu]

:lmao those "narratives" were all over every major sports network, and littered all over this forum for the past two years :lmao :lmao :lmao

why can't you type these retarded takes on your real account? hiding behind a spurs alt. loser.

[Pauleta14]

the difference is giannis wasnt built up as the greatest prospect to ever play basketball and the guy who will soon dwarf mj/lebron in goat rankings

MJ was still in college at the same age

Wemby is ahead of Lebron is most stats at the same stage

What happened that game is necessary for his development and part of the process. He needs that type of games.

I get the upset after the game but take a step back

[spursistan]

These full quarter disappearing acts from him are bit alarming. Not sure if it's conditioning or mentality that's causing to him switch off entirely like in the second half. This loss was squarely on him.

[spursistan]

^ Regarding the above, like Mugen (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519) put it in another thread, Wemby is so talented that elements of his softness seep through with barely anyone noticing. I don't think you can now disputes that he sometimes and out of nowhere just curls up in the felal position..8 blks first half; zero in the second.. Genuinely think that Castle looks to have more dog in him than Victor at times :lol

[Cardinal]

No free throws tonight :/

[ohmwrecker]

He blew chunks tonight.

[Knoxxx]

I think he’s having a midseason lull/slump. We’ve seen a few of those lulls from him this year and last.

[spurs1990]

Just by the box score I’d hope that at least the Memphis defense played a large role in his 5-19 outing. Because sheesh

[rascal]

Does Wemby suffer from Mountain Cedar?

[CorrectCrusader]

Just by the box score I’d hope that at least the Memphis defense played a large role in his 5-19 outing. Because sheesh

JJJ is EPMs highest rated defender in the NBA rn. Memphis is the 6th in defensive net rating.

[spursistan]

No free throws tonight :/
Seriously how can you rationalize that for a guy with his height? Unfortunately his obsession with playing like a 7'4 guard will be his undoing. Not getting a single FT in 37 minutes shows his tendency to play like scared cat every now and then. The issue is bigger than coaching ,tbh.

[Knoxxx]

On the other side obviously MEM made good halftime adjustments on offense related to Wemby. If I was into giving credit to the other team that is.

[rascal]

Wemby isn't getting the most of his height. He wants to play like a guard, over dribbling and chucking 3's.

Needs to move inside if his shot isn't falling.

[spursistan]

On the other side obviously MEM made good halftime adjustments on offense related to Wemby. If I was into giving credit to the other team that is.
He wasn't having his his way in the first half too..Just been meh offensively since the first Denver game..

[Knoxxx]

He wasn't having his his way in the first half too..Just been meh offensively since the first Denver game..

Right he’s in a slump. I meant MEM adjusted their offense well 2nd half.

[spursistan]

Wemby isn't getting the most of his height. He wants to play like a guard, over dribbling and chucking 3's.

Needs to move inside if his shot isn't falling..
It is getting so frustrating watching this movie again and again. I wonder whether that will ever change even after he bulks up a bit.

[spursparker9]

Wemby has been in a slump since Giannas shut him down

[skin27]

Like i said on the game thread he will get shut down. He always play bad against a good defensive team

[spursistan]

0 offensive rebounds/ 0 FTs vs 10 3PA in 37 minutes really sumps it up. You are 'franchise big' not a 'stretch 5'.

[spursistan]

Needless to say: we go as far as Wemby takes us, and he just hasn't been good on the offensive end the past 4-5 games.

https://x.com/Wemby_Muse/status/1879593456185852147

[tbdog]

Wemby looked so gassed and Mitch brought him on with 3min left of the third and he stayed on. Mitch panicked when the non Wemby minutes blew up. But tbh, Wemby was never going to get to the finish line.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPp__4nGBD0

I think this season Wemby had already been dunked on more times than his entire rookie season.

Edey and Morant dunked on him today

[ambchang]

It’s looking more and more like Wembys career start resembles that of the admiral.

Glaring lack of shooting around them leading to them not being able to operate closer to the basket and as such being called soft.
Vassell is like Willie Anderson 0.8, decent start to a career and then just fall off a cliff. At least Anderson broke both of his knees.
Sochan is rodman 0.5 bringing rebounding but can’t/wont shoot. At least sochan is willing to play D.
FO constantly making mind bogglingly bad decisions over and over again.
Other worldly defence but never really worked on or got the offence.

Well, at least robinson had a good team his rookie year and had a legit #2 in Sean elliott.

[polandprzem]

Now you have it

[scott]

Does Wemby suffer from Mountain Cedar?

This is a great question... because he definitely looks like he is suffering through a major allergy attack at times.

Everyone who has ever lived in Central or South Texas knows the agony

[RC_Drunkford]

one of my friends was at the game and said Wemby is doing way too much. Spurs players weren't boxing out and Wemby runs up and down the court like a mad man. The whole arena screamed "help him". That's our team :lol Can't really put that on Wemby, he has no help.

[rjv]

from my vantage point at the game, he looked gassed and seemed to be gasping for air. if he is suffering from allergies then it's a case of having to breathe through your mouth. there was one point in the game where he was just bent over with his hands on his knees, then, thanks to the lack of depth at center and mitch's odd rotations last night, he had to stay in for the 4th. he just didn't have anything left in the tank by the end of the game.

[RC_Drunkford]

he's gassed cause he has to cover for all those scrubs on D

[rjv]

one of my friends was at the game and said Wemby is doing way too much. Spurs players weren't boxing out and Wemby runs up and down the court like a mad man. The whole arena screamed "help him". That's our team :lol Can't really put that on Wemby, he has no help.

devin and julian were really bad, defensively. i mean, they were just getting roasted. for all of sochan's shortcomings, it would have been nice to have him out there for some of those 50/50 balls that memphis kept getting.

[baseline bum]

Does Wemby suffer from Mountain Cedar?


This is a great question... because he definitely looks like he is suffering through a major allergy attack at times.

Everyone who has ever lived in Central or South Texas knows the agony

He did for sure last year (even admitted it to the media) but this year has been extremely tame, likely because of the enormous drought we have had where we had a rainless October (usually a very rainy month here) and pretty dry September, November, and December too. We're in the absolute peak of the season and the highest count we have had so far is around 4,000 and the count is 10 today. 10,000 to 20,000 is pretty normal when a big cold front comes in and we'll usually hit a pollen count of 30,000 at some point in the season (with 60,000 being the peak) so I guess we'll see Sunday but this has been a very light cedar pollen season so far.

[polandprzem]

one of my friends was at the game and said Wemby is doing way too much. Spurs players weren't boxing out and Wemby runs up and down the court like a mad man. The whole arena screamed "help him". That's our team :lol Can't really put that on Wemby, he has no help.

on tv it looked opposite

[Cardinal]

one of my friends was at the game and said Wemby is doing way too much. Spurs players weren't boxing out and Wemby runs up and down the court like a mad man. The whole arena screamed "help him". That's our team :lol Can't really put that on Wemby, he has no help.

I think there is a good amount of truth to this. I’ll need to go back and confirm but I remember Wemby being visibly upset a couple of times with Keldon on defense in the 4th in a way I hadn’t seen him demonstrate before

[RC_Drunkford]

on tv it looked opposite

that's why I'm saying what it looked like for a person actually being at the game

[scott]

that's why I'm saying what it looked like for a person actually being at the game

This was the crux of my old "How We Failed Wemby" post. I get that we want to "see what we have", but we're putting too much on Wemby's back. He's overall delivered quite masterfully but it's not sustainable and not fair to him. This FO needs to get him some help. This is early DRob all over again.

[LeBowen]

This was the crux of my old "How We Failed Wemby" post. I get that we want to "see what we have", but we're putting too much on Wemby's back. He's overall delivered quite masterfully but it's not sustainable and not fair to him. This FO needs to get him some help. This is early DRob all over again.

People actually have the audacity to criticize a 21 year old for not getting physical in the post while holding down the entire defense by himself, ffs.
They think he has infinite stamina or something.

We won 3 games with Wemby scoring less than 23 points.
17/6/3/1/2 against the Timberwolves on 2nd of November.
12/8/2/4/3 against the Blazers on 7th of November.
19/7/4/0/6 against the Nets on 27th of November.

We got 1 serious win without Wemby dominating on both ends and it was on 2nd of November.
Two and a half months later and this team can't do shit without Wemby scoring 25 and playing like the best defender in league history.

Yes, it's true that we could've won some games if he played better, but I'm absolutely not putting it on Wemby because he's got no consistent help whatsoever.

[polandprzem]

that's why I'm saying what it looked like for a person actually being at the game

magic

[chubbs]

he's gassed cause he has to cover for all those scrubs on D

camping by the paint = gassed :lmao :lmao

[rjv]

on tv it looked opposite

so you're saying that Spurs players were boxing out but Wemby was not running up and down the court (or doing much at all), and the whole arena was yelling at Wemby to "help them"?

[polandprzem]

so you're saying that Spurs players were boxing out but Wemby was not running up and down the court (or doing much at all), and the whole arena was yelling at Wemby to "help them"?

No

It's like ppl in the arena knows more then ppl who watches on tv


Wemby is not a leader yet tbh. And it's not like he is everywhere doing everything. He is the best player but that's about it. His decision making was bad this last game. No biggie.

btw. Wemby is not that great at boxing out to make a big deal of others not doing it.

[itzsoweezee]

No

It's like ppl in the arena knows more then ppl who watches on tv


Wemby is not a leader yet tbh. And it's not like he is everywhere doing everything. He is the best player but that's about it. His decision making was bad this last game. No biggie.

btw. Wemby is not that great at boxing out to make a big deal of others not doing it.

He was everywhere on defense. Are you sure you watched the game? Challenging every shot in the paint, running out to challenge three point shooters. He was the only spurs player playing any defense. I don’t think you watch much basketball outside of the spurs. You’ve gotten accustomed to what Victor does on defense and don’t appreciate hours much he actually does on defense. He’s the runaway favorite for dpoy for good reason

[RC_Drunkford]

People actually have the audacity to criticize a 21 year old for not getting physical in the post while holding down the entire defense by himself, ffs.
They think he has infinite stamina or something.

We won 3 games with Wemby scoring less than 23 points.
17/6/3/1/2 against the Timberwolves on 2nd of November.
12/8/2/4/3 against the Blazers on 7th of November.
19/7/4/0/6 against the Nets on 27th of November.

We got 1 serious win without Wemby dominating on both ends and it was on 2nd of November.
Two and a half months later and this team can't do shit without Wemby scoring 25 and playing like the best defender in league history.

Yes, it's true that we could've won some games if he played better, but I'm absolutely not putting it on Wemby because he's got no consistent help whatsoever.

even crazier is that we beat OKC without Wemby, Sochan and Vassell

[skin27]

even crazier is that we beat OKC without Wemby, Sochan and Vassell
Fluke. Tbh

[rascal]

This is a great question... because he definitely looks like he is suffering through a major allergy attack at times.

Everyone who has ever lived in Central or South Texas knows the agony

I did read last year he was bothered by it.

[polandprzem]

He was everywhere on defense. Are you sure you watched the game? Challenging every shot in the paint, running out to challenge three point shooters. He was the only spurs player playing any defense. I don’t think you watch much basketball outside of the spurs. You’ve gotten accustomed to what Victor does on defense and don’t appreciate hours much he actually does on defense. He’s the runaway favorite for dpoy for good reason

Right

[chubbs]

:rollin now ive seen it all. the excuse for wemby being a soft basketball player is... allergies:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Pauleta14]

Right

Can you name one player in the league that has a higher energy expenditure than Wemby on both ends combined while also being the main/sole focus of the opposite team?