Legit Dilemma: Would trade Sochan for Amen Thompson?

[spursparker9]

Both can't shoot to save their lives but Amen's shooting form look less broken.

He was pretty much injured in his rookie year but this year he has taken the leap and show his potential.

Amen definitely has the better stats in pts, rebs, asts, stls, blks than Sochan and he has the potential to be the best perimeter defender during Wemby's era.

Wemby will be the best interior defender.
Amen will be the best perimeter defender.
Flagg will be a hybrid and a mix of best of both world.

Will probably need to throw in 1 or 2 first round pick with Sochan for Houston to consider.

I will say yes.


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[Mal]

Houston is not trading Amen. Spurs are not trading Sochan++ for potentially getting better version of Sochan. The only big trade Spurs need is for primary scorer, who can create his own shots and plays guard position

[rankingtear]

Not a dilemma.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs would trade Sochan for Amen in a second, but the thing is neither is really a great fit on a potential Wemby-led championship contender.

[tonight...you]

I doubt Houston would do it.

[KingKev]

Houston wouldn’t even do Tari Eason

[SpursBills]

Yes no questions asked. They would trade anybody on their roster not named Wemby for Amen, including Castle. Sochan vs Tari is a much harder dilemma where both teams probably say no.

[Mr. Body]

How is that a legit dilemma.

[itzsoweezee]

Is this a joke? I’d pack Jeremy’s bags.

[LeBowen]

These topics are the best reminder that a lot of people in here don't follow what's going on around the league.
Amen is the only Rocket that's off limits in any trade talks.

[Leetonidas]

Is this a serious question? Because the answer is obviously yes. But Houston would hang up the phone laughing their asses off at this trade proposal

[Uriel]

Wasn’t Amen Thompson supposed to be our consolation prize if we didn’t win the Wemby sweepstakes? I remember reading Brian Wright was very high on him.

[scott]

OP did say that it would be Sochan + picks for Amen, not straight up, so they clearly recognize the imbalance between the two players.

So… Sochan + 2 FRP for Amen? It’s an interesting question, but I think both teams probably say no. For the Spurs, Amen just isn’t the kind of player we need to burn two FRPs to acquire. For the Rockets, he’s going to be the core building piece for them, so they also say no.

[scott]

Wasn’t Amen Thompson supposed to be our consolation prize if we didn’t win the Wemby sweepstakes? I remember reading Brian Wright was very high on him.

Yeah timvp (RIP) was reporting we were very high on him. I’d seen other Spurs reporters say that he was third on their board after Miller.

[Pauleta14]

That's not a dilemma, even with a few picks added for HOU

Both can't shoot but Amen is better in every other areas, by a large margin

[KobesAchilles]

I’m just hoping for Flagg. He would fit in extremely well with Wemby. He’s like a Sochan with IQ, athleticism, and offense (ok so nothing like Sochan). But he’s not afraid of contact and to play dirty. Let Wemby play like a guard and put Flagg down in the middle and run the offense through him. Unstoppable

[CorrectCrusader]

Houston wouldn't even pick up the phone what a stupid post

[djohn2oo8]

Houston wouldn't even pick up the phone what a stupid post
^^^

[benefactor]

:lol

[Splits]

If you swap Amen for a tuna sammich, then yes Houston might consider

[baseline bum]

I say no, let's send Sochan to OKC for SGA instead

[baseline bum]

OP did say that it would be Sochan + picks for Amen, not straight up, so they clearly recognize the imbalance between the two players.

So… Sochan + 2 FRP for Amen? It’s an interesting question, but I think both teams probably say no. For the Spurs, Amen just isn’t the kind of player we need to burn two FRPs to acquire. For the Rockets, he’s going to be the core building piece for them, so they also say no.

I'd trade Sochan and 4 FRP complete with best of swaps on those picks for Amen. That guy screams allstar. And Houston would still hang up the phone in tears from laughing so hard.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I’m just hoping for Flagg. He would fit in extremely well with Wemby. He’s like a Sochan with IQ, athleticism, and offense (ok so nothing like Sochan). But he’s not afraid of contact and to play dirty. Let Wemby play like a guard and put Flagg down in the middle and run the offense through him. Unstoppable

Don’t think we’ll be able to tank enough to get him. He’ll be gone by top 3.

[ambchang]

No way would the rockets even consider this. Sochan castle Vassell plus a couple of picks and Houston still wont.

[baseline bum]

No way would the rockets even consider this. Sochan castle Vassell plus a couple of picks and Houston still wont.

I don't even think they would have included Amen in a Giannis trade when things were looking really dark for Milwaukee early in the season. He's the one guy in the league I could see wrestling a DPOY away from Wemby in the next 5-6 years without Victor having to miss a bunch of games. On his current trajectory he screams allstar but if they ever teach him a jumpshot you'd be talking best player on a title team level of star.

[z0sa]

:lol this can't be a serious thread.

[spursparker9]

If Amen develop a jump shot, he will be in all nba 3rd team

[baseline bum]

If Amen develop a jump shot, he will be in all nba 3rd team

If Amen develops a jump shot he'll be All NBA First Team every year

[Mr. Body]

Legit Dilemma: Use My Car or Take the Neighbor's Car

[spursparker9]

Amen with 20 pts 13 rebs 10 asts triple double against the best team Cleveland now.

:lol would need to throw in four 1st round pick + Sochan for him

[SpursBills]

Amen's median outcome right now with even average development is basically a bigger slightly better Iguodala. In fact, he's more impactful than Iguodala at the same age already with no jumper. If he shoots even league average from 3 I don't even know who the comp would be. Scottie Pippen or something.

I'm trying to think who Houston would actually trade Amen for at this point. The list looks something like this:

Wemby
SGA
Luka
Tatum
Jokic
probably Giannis
Healthy and motivated Zion with no weight issues

I honestly do not think they trade Amen for Ant at this point

[z0sa]

Man, Houston has far outdone the Spurs with team building. Add the Haliburton vs Vassell debacle and the only real prize we've gotten is Wemby. Helluva prize, granted, and worth. But doesn't bode well for our future team building.

[SpursBills]

Man, Houston has far outdone the Spurs with team building. Add the Haliburton vs Vassell debacle and the only real prize we've gotten is Wemby. Helluva prize, granted, and worth. But doesn't bode well for our future team building.

I think from a young core standpoint, it's closer than you think. Basically what it comes down to is a massive fuckup in the 2021 draft. Rockets took the guy we all wanted in Sengun and the Spurs, well, we all know what happened

Take away that, and it's

Wemby, Vassell, Sochan, Castle

vs

Amen, Tari, Jalen Green, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore, Jabari Smith

I'm not very high on Whitmore at all. Tari vs Sochan is about even considering the age gap. Green's playing better than Vassell but I think all told it's about even. Sheppard and Castle are rookies but so far it looks like Castle's got more promise. Smith looks kind of average for a top 3 pick.

Spurs busted on Branham and Wesley, but the Rockets also busted on 1st round guys like Garuba, Josh Christopher, and TyTy Washington

Houston basically just chose to get good quicker and Spurs for some reason want to slow play it.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, and Zach Collins. Fuck Zach Collins.

EDIT2:
Jesus Christ I just looked at the 2021 draft again. Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Franz, Sengun, Trey Murphy, Jalen Johnson as potential star level players. Green, Kuminga, Suggs, Kispert, Grimes, Cam Thomas, Day'Ron Sharpe, Aldama as useful players. Literally half the players in the first round ended up being useful and we picked Josh fucking Primo in the lottery - a 6'4" guard with 0.6 AST:TO, 6.5 AST%, 1.3 STL%, and 54% eFG%, and 3 dunks on the year. Doesn't pass the analytics test. Doesn't pass the eye test. To this day I still wonder what the rationale was.

[Uriel]

How does Castle compare with Amen?

[djohn2oo8]

How does Castle compare with Amen?
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[baseline bum]

How does Castle compare with Amen?

Castle will be an allstar if his jumper comes along. Amen will win MVPs if his does.

[Pauleta14]

If Amen develop a jump shot, he will be in all nba 3rd team

Apply the same logic with Castle...

I would not trade Castle for Amen, it's insane to even think about it smh

[TekXX]

Castle will be an allstar if his jumper comes along. Amen will win MVPs if his does.

An allstar? More like he'll be allowed to stay in the NBA.

[Ice009]

These topics are the best reminder that a lot of people in here don't follow what's going on around the league.
Amen is the only Rocket that's off limits in any trade talks.

I didn't want to come into this thread, but as you said, WTF are people thinking? There is no dilemna. No chance the Rockets would trade Amen to us for any of the players the Spurs would be willing to trade.



I don't even think they would have included Amen in a Giannis trade when things were looking really dark for Milwaukee early in the season. He's the one guy in the league I could see wrestling a DPOY away from Wemby in the next 5-6 years without Victor having to miss a bunch of games. On his current trajectory he screams allstar but if they ever teach him a jumpshot you'd be talking best player on a title team level of star.

I haven't really watched him play that much. Is he really that good in all other areas of the game (apart from shooting)? I never would have thought he'd be a number one option on a title team even with a jump shot.

[baseline bum]

I haven't really watched him play that much. Is he really that good in all other areas of the game (apart from shooting)? I never would have thought he'd be a number one option on a title team even with a jump shot.

He's an absolute monster defender with PG skills and unreal athleticism. Feels like the sky is the limit for the guy's potential.

[z0sa]

I paid closer attention to Amen when Sean started talking him up. Sean's about 90% on his takes of other team's players, though obviously, super homer when it comes to the Spurs.

I agree he's got the potential to be a perennial AS. I dunno about a #1, but man, would he be the #2 we're dreaming of.

[spursparker9]

How does Castle compare with Amen?

Castle can at most guard 1 to 3

Amen can guard 1 to 4 and some 5. He is also taller and is a better rebounder and shot blocker than Castle will ever be.

[spursparker9]

I think from a young core standpoint, it's closer than you think. Basically what it comes down to is a massive fuckup in the 2021 draft. Rockets took the guy we all wanted in Sengun and the Spurs, well, we all know what happened

Take away that, and it's

Wemby, Vassell, Sochan, Castle

vs

Amen, Tari, Jalen Green, Reed Sheppard, Cam Whitmore, Jabari Smith

I'm not very high on Whitmore at all. Tari vs Sochan is about even considering the age gap. Green's playing better than Vassell but I think all told it's about even. Sheppard and Castle are rookies but so far it looks like Castle's got more promise. Smith looks kind of average for a top 3 pick.

Spurs busted on Branham and Wesley, but the Rockets also busted on 1st round guys like Garuba, Josh Christopher, and TyTy Washington

Houston basically just chose to get good quicker and Spurs for some reason want to slow play it.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, and Zach Collins. Fuck Zach Collins.

EDIT2:
Jesus Christ I just looked at the 2021 draft again. Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Franz, Sengun, Trey Murphy, Jalen Johnson as potential star level players. Green, Kuminga, Suggs, Kispert, Grimes, Cam Thomas, Day'Ron Sharpe, Aldama as useful players. Literally half the players in the first round ended up being useful and we picked Josh fucking Primo in the lottery - a 6'4" guard with 0.6 AST:TO, 6.5 AST%, 1.3 STL%, and 54% eFG%, and 3 dunks on the year. Doesn't pass the analytics test. Doesn't pass the eye test. To this day I still wonder what the rationale was.


:lol

The rationale for Primo is that he is a mature kid and high character guy. That is the Spurs way. That is who we are (per Pop) :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Apply the same logic with Castle...

I would not trade Castle for Amen, it's insane to even think about it smh

If you can get Amen for Castle (which would obviously never happen) you jump on that deal and never look back

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

cant shoot, but such an insane athlete that playing off of him is becoming a non-option

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[objective]

Wait, was this supposed to be a serious thread or a joke thread?

[SpursBills]

Sometimes I wonder how often these types of threads pop up on other message boards. Like if you ever see something on Clutchfans titled "Legit dilemma: Would trade Sengun for Victor Wembanyama?" which is still somehow not as ridiculous a question as this.

[spursparker9]

How did Amen fall to number 4. :lol Jailblazers and bobcats

[rascal]

He's an absolute monster defender with PG skills and unreal athleticism. Feels like the sky is the limit for the guy's potential.

And I was told by some of the draft experts in here that he was going to be a bust.

[benefactor]

Apply the same logic with Castle...

I would not trade Castle for Amen, it's insane to even think about it smh
:lol:lol

[Atl Spur]

Two points that is escaping most of you: 1. Amen is in year two ( castle is a rookie ), check back to last year and see how he was viewed; stop being prisoners of the moment. 2. Imagine if the rockets took castle instead of Reed… it would have sucked for us as well as the rest of the league! Count your blessings

[baseline bum]

Two points that is escaping most of you: 1. Amen is in year two ( castle is a rookie ), check back to last year and see how he was viewed; stop being prisoners of the moment. 2. Imagine if the rockets took castle instead of Reed… it would have sucked for us as well as the rest of the league! Count your blessings

Amen was an absolute monster defender last year too. He has looked like the second best player from the 2023 class for a year now.

[Pauleta14]

:lol:lol

It's truly fascinating how the "what have u done for me lately" factor is powerful on people tbh...

I love what I'm seing from Amen, but I also remember how was his rookie season or the fact that he's surrounded by so much better players than Castle that allows him to focus on his tasks.

Castle has been moved around, positions, roles, rotations, starter or not AND has to play next to some of the worst players IQ of the league and a team that doesn't even have a proper coach.

It's a bet, I think both players will become very good, AllStar at least but I wouldn't swap Castle for Amen even today.

Castle's ceiling is much higher imo, he has a better feel for scoring, better driving ability and touch on offense. Also as bad as his shot is, it's not as bad as Amen's

Amen is ahead on defense but I don't see why Castle wouldn't become elite in that area too considering his floor is already above average for guys his age.

[Pauleta14]

Castle learns with Mitch

Amen learns with Ime

It's just unfair :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Houston is not trading Amen. Spurs are not trading Sochan++ for potentially getting better version of Sochan. The only big trade Spurs need is for primary scorer, who can create his own shots and plays guard position

Several of which were available at 8.

[KingKev]

This reminded me of a similar thread thinking we should trade for Ja Morant; “Lohnnie and a first should do it” was the proposal.

[Mal]

Several of which were available at 8.

I prefer what Spurs did - accumulate draft captal and use in one trade for sure thing

[ambchang]

The emergence of amen Thompson may mean that Houston will consider trading Jabari smith Jr, who I’m still very interested in. He’s a bit of a bust but his fit with wemby looks great on paper.

Long athletic 4 who can shoot, defend and create some what. He’s not elite in anything and his offence has been a bit of a disappointment, but his skill set is intriguing at he is still very young.

I would be up for trading 2 unprotected/lightly protected FRPs with a lottery protected for him, plus salary but not sure if the rockets will consider that. At this point I’d think the rockets are looking for players who can contribute to their core, of which we have none.

[spurraider21]

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[slick'81]

Rockets wouldn't

[itzsoweezee]

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Gotdamn rockets lucked out.

[slick'81]

Rockets a fun team to watch

[tbdog]

The emergence of amen Thompson may mean that Houston will consider trading Jabari smith Jr, who I’m still very interested in. He’s a bit of a bust but his fit with wemby looks great on paper.

Long athletic 4 who can shoot, defend and create some what. He’s not elite in anything and his offence has been a bit of a disappointment, but his skill set is intriguing at he is still very young.

I would be up for trading 2 unprotected/lightly protected FRPs with a lottery protected for him, plus salary but not sure if the rockets will consider that. At this point I’d think the rockets are looking for players who can contribute to their core, of which we have none.

I like Jabari smith Jr. But he is kinda frozen out of Rockets offense. He kinda now is this 3&D, where the D is more interior, off ball shot contesting. He hasn't shown the ability to self create and is clearly not being marked by the opponents best defenders.

[scott]

Dayumn.

https://i.redd.it/zlwz2vjprufe1.jpeg

[ambchang]

^ could you add sochan in that chart? Want to see if we should legit consider trading him for amen.

[rascal]

^ could you add sochan in that chart? Want to see if we should legit consider trading him for amen.

Do you really need to see a chart to see if you should trade Sochan for Amen?

[scott]

Do you really need to see a chart to see if you should trade Sochan for Amen?

Here's a handy video that explains why it's actually quite the dilemma to consider a Sochan for Amen trade straight up. The Spurs probably say no...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxlKJ2Z7Yzs

[CorrectCrusader]

Two points that is escaping most of you: 1. Amen is in year two ( castle is a rookie ), check back to last year and see how he was viewed; stop being prisoners of the moment. 2. Imagine if the rockets took castle instead of Reed… it would have sucked for us as well as the rest of the league! Count your blessings

Amen was injured last year. Before he was injured he was viewed as an elite defender already.

[Tyronn Lue]

I'd trade him for Leah Thompson.

[Obstructed_View]

I prefer what Spurs did - accumulate draft captal and use in one trade for sure thing
Are you anticipating a sure thing or are you referring to someone and I'm out of the loop?

[Jordan Jackson]

Amen is who some Spurs fans think Jermey is when you read some of their weird fanfic takes. Amen is making great progress - reminds me of Nephew a bit. Once he gets a respectable 3pt shot he’s set.

[Atl Spur]

Amen was injured last year. Before he was injured he was viewed as an elite defender already.

Hmmm…..don’t cherry pick. Castle is having a better & more impactful rookie year than amen did.

[dn0774]

Hmmm…..don’t cherry pick. Castle is having a better & more impactful rookie year than amen did.

Hard disagree on that. Castle using starter numbers only might be more of a discussion. Overall tho I think Amen was a bit better.

Edit to add: Castle has a tougher year 1 assignment admittedly, playing guard in the NBA has a steep learning curve (look at Fox year 1 to year 2 for example). Amen is probably the best non big disruptor on defense in the NBA already, and that ability was showing in his rookie year as well.

[ambchang]

Hmmm…..don’t cherry pick. Castle is having a better & more impactful rookie year than amen did.

Look up the numbers, castles numbers are actually legit bad this year so far. Only a few months though so I’m still very high on him. Looking to see him with a few years under his belt.

[djohn2oo8]

Here's a handy video that explains why it's actually quite the dilemma to consider a Sochan for Amen trade straight up. The Spurs probably say no...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxlKJ2Z7Yzs
The Rockets are laughing and hanging the phone straight up

[Mal]

Are you anticipating a sure thing or are you referring to someone and I'm out of the loop?

Anticipating, that there will another Fox available and you need to be ready

[Obstructed_View]

Amen is who some Spurs fans think Jermey is when you read some of their weird fanfic takes. Amen is making great progress - reminds me of Nephew a bit. Once he gets a respectable 3pt shot he’s set.
Gee, you mean we can trade a good defender who can't shoot for a ... a ... shorter good defender who can't shoot?

Sign me the fuck up, brother.