Honest Question: Do We Have the Dumbest Players in the League?

[vy65]

Sochan, Johnson, Vassell headline. Followed up with Collins, Bran Ham, and to a lesser extent Wesley. You could also throw Champegnie in there too. Is there a team that offers up a group of 5-7 players who are dumber, BBIQ-wise? And if so, who?

The drop off when Wemby/CP/Castle comes off the floor is beyond palpable. The retard-reserve that comes in to sub have been with the team longer than any of the aforementioned three. So maybe you can add BWrong/PATFO to the list as well. Which, personally, I disagree with. But the related issue is: when did the front office lose the sunk cost fallacy plot? We have large swaths of the roster just rotting on the bench, doing nothing. If they’re not playing, that’s a good indication they haven’t developed. So what exactly are they doing?

And before any slurper clears their palette to begin ingesting, I don’t care about today’s game. I do care about getting into the play in and having a semi-meaningful game or two for Vic and Steph to learn from. My complaint here is about the near-decade long inertia that will prevent them improving the roster to get the key guys in a position to gain said experience.

[Mr. Body]

No, but we do have the dumbest posters.

[scott]

Is it the coaching? Is it the players? Is it the planetary alignment? Who can tell, but whatever it is... it isn't working. These AwefulCoaching breakdowns are pretty illustrative of where our collective team cohesion is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWeNYDgAIoo

[Russo21]

Vassell and Sochan just went for -30. Jeremy's-30 was in just 14 minute's. That's gotta be hard to do. If they're even thinking of having those 2 as an important future core the team is fucked no matter how good Victor becomes

[stnick2261]

Pop stopped teaching basketball a few years back. Mitch doesn't know enough. We need a new coach who knows the modern game.

[Pauleta14]

No news here, it was already the case last season with the same personnel. We just added 2 vets

Some fans seem to think you can change a player's IQ like you fix his jump shot :lol

Sochan is probably focused on his next hair color rn

[SupremeGuy]

Bad coaching tbh.

Don't give a fuck what anyone says but Mitch had something going and then we started doing something different. If we're tanking, ok. If not, we gotta get poop out.

[z0sa]

Bad coaching tbh.

Don't give a fuck what anyone says but Mitch had something going and then we started doing something different. If we're tanking, ok. If not, we gotta get poop out.

His problem is the same problem many coaches have: adjustments. He has a gameplan, which looks good on paper, but he sticks to it even when the shits circling the toilet bowl.

Great coaches are masters of adjustments. They convince their players the adjustments will give your team the advantage. Not seeing it right now, tbh. Had high hopes, too.

[rankingtear]

We have a lot of experts on basketball IQ in this thread though.

[Mal]

I dont watch much, but Wizards have to be top of the list

[LeBowen]

As per usual, sniffers have no arguments to offer other than insulting posters who point out obvious issues.

[KingKev]

Maybe. But they are all outstanding members of society and that is more important than basketball. Leave your boos and your politics at home when you buy those tickets (unless your politics are mine) :pop:

[vy65]

No, but we do have the dumbest posters.

Another solid, thoughtful, and just outright intelligent contribution from you. Seriously, thank you for everything you bring to this board.

[ffadicted]

Our players make some bonehead decisions there's no doubt about it, but this kind of stuff is on coaches imo. I appreciate Mitch having to fill in, but it's been clear that when we win, we're winning despite our gameplans, not because of them. We live and die by whether or not Wemby has an out of the world game, and whether or not teams are good enough to abuse the non-wemby minutes to put games out of reach. Obviously not sustainable.

A lot to think about this off season if Pop isn't going to be able to make a full return. If we're going to move on from him soon, I'd rather we bring someone in ASAP so they have the offseason to work with the team and help with drafting/trading/piecing together a reloaded squad for 25/26.

[ginobilized]

Players are coming in with less skills, coaching and are learning the game on NBA courts.
There are so many low IQ players in the NBA right now. Just saw Tari Eason with a reckless closeout with the game on the line vs Cleveland. Garland let him off the hook by missing 3 free throws. Spurs players aren't the only ones.

[KobesAchilles]

Unpopular opinion but I think that since colleges are now paying athletes, we should go back to an age limit in the nba. Gotta be 20 to enter the draft or 2 years of college experience.

[NASpurs]

Unpopular opinion but I think that since colleges are now paying athletes, we should go back to an age limit in the nba. Gotta be 20 to enter the draft or 2 years of college experience.

I think there should be an IQ test at the NBA Combine and we should stop drafting retards.

[LeBowen]

Unpopular opinion but I think that since colleges are now paying athletes, we should go back to an age limit in the nba. Gotta be 20 to enter the draft or 2 years of college experience.

Unpopular opinion but I don't think colleges should be able to pay athletes.
Realistically, maybe not age limit, but a minimum of 2 college years if you want to go there.

Top prospects would go to the NBA earlier and everyone else would have more time to develop so teams don't have to play a guessing game with fundamentally flawed young players.

[ffadicted]

I think there should be an IQ test at the NBA Combine and we should stop drafting retards.

Professional sports as we know it would collapse

[Strategic]

I don’t think so. These guys didn’t have a real on court leader until Paul signed on for the duties. PATFO screw up, though I think they’d say there’s a plan in motion.

[Jordan Jackson]

The Spurs got a few JaVale McGee types on the roster. We use to make fun of low IQ basketball teams. Now the Spurs are one of them. Basketball Gods are punishing us.

I’m shocked they aren’t on Shaqtin the Fool more. Like Champagnie had some real all time bizarre plays yesterday. Sochan and Johnson had some Westbrookian moments too.

You can tell the lights are on upstairs with Caslte because even he is looking at some of these guys crazy.

I thought BBIQ was part of screening process? Run them through scenarios to test aptitude. CP3 shouldn’t have to be telling these guys all game where they need to be on the court.

[Strategic]

Every time a guy throws the ball to Jeremy with the clock running out, they should both have to run stairs. That’s how we were taught not to do stupid shit.

[RC_Drunkford]

I actually wanted to make a collection of all our stupid plays and combine it with the voiceover from the „Beautiful Game“ video. Would be hilarious. „The Spurs they don’t get knuckleheads“ as you see them turnover the ball on an inbound play twice in a row :lol

if anybody has the time to do it. Put Primo in there as well :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Unpopular opinion but I don't think colleges should be able to pay athletes.
Realistically, maybe not age limit, but a minimum of 2 college years if you want to go there.

Top prospects would go to the NBA earlier and everyone else would have more time to develop so teams don't have to play a guessing game with fundamentally flawed young players.
I never understood why they didn’t pay the college athletes. Like Manzel literally got ATM to go from 70k stadium to 105k stadium. The amount of money they made off of him was ridiculous. Now there should be some sort of system in place and it shouldn’t be the wild wild west that it is today but again that’s on college sports for being so damn greedy for generations. Don’t bitch and moan about how tough it is with the transfer portal and poaching of players when you had over 100 years of reaping the benefits of not paying them. Only an idiot doesn’t have a contingency plan in place in case you lose a lawsuit.

More unpopular opinions. I think though that one and done has killed the nba product. Get rid of it. I think nba players should pay for their own hotel and car rentals like wrestlers do. I also think they need to get rid of the Supermax. It has hurt small markets more than helped them. Or redo the contract where they must play a minimum of 4 years on the team they signed with. Limit the amount of 3s they can take per half to 20. It’s a technical if they go over. And players only get paid for games played/dressed.

[dbestpro]

The proper way is to say low bb IQ. The answer is most of our players have a low bb IQ and do not seem to learn from their mistakes.

[Ni-G]

Limit the amount of 3s they can take per half to 20. It’s a technical if they go over. And players only get paid for games played/dressed.

No need technicals, just count 3s over the limit as 2 pointers. Let morons chuck logo 2s if they like it.

[KobesAchilles]

No need technicals, just count 3s over the limit as 2 pointers. Let morons chuck logo 2s if they like it.
Oh I like that idea better

[rjv]

No, but we do have the dumbest posters.

beat me to it.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Signs point to yes. Past like 4-5 years before this one, maybe longer, the other team's best 3pt shooter was always completely unguarded. Our team is stupid as hell. Chris Paul and HB have helped a ton.

[spurraider21]

i mean some of our players are just bad. as far as low bball iq, its really keldon and branham that stick out. wesley as well but he's gotten better

[ambchang]

I’m probably the only guy on ST who still believes in Wesley. His quickness is something you are just born with, and his vision and playmaking has improved significantly from last year (not saying much) when he was given a chance. He plays hard on D, and if he keeps improving his offence he could be a modern day Lindsay hunter / Brandon knight type player.

[z0sa]

I’m probably the only guy on ST who still believes in Wesley. His quickness is something you are just born with, and his vision and playmaking has improved significantly from last year (not saying much) when he was given a chance. He plays hard on D, and if he keeps improving his offence he could be a modern day Lindsay hunter / Brandon knight type player.

No, I believe in Wesley too. He's definitely smarter than Branham. I've compared him before as well (potentially, of course) to Lindsey Hunter. Love his game, but wish he had a jumpshot. I feel that's why he's on the bench. He was guardd by Stephen Adams early on this season and couldn't punish him, because there's no "in and out" to his game. Of the two (bran Ham and Wesley), I'd have given Wesley the 4th year without a thought. Branham shouldve never gotten year 4 guaranteed.

[scott]

I liked what we started to see from Blake to start the season, and then Tre came back and he just went back to the bench. Doesn't make any sense to me, considering we picked up that 4th year option. Maybe we move Tre at the deadline and Blake gets some of those backup PG minutes.

[Obstructed_View]

Remember when the Spurs used to have good players who couldn't crack the rotation? Now they can't field a decent starting five and trade away lottery picks.

[spursistan]

Spurs developmental coaching seems to lag behind compared to elite operations in teams like OKC/Memphis, but there is really not much can be done when key rotational youth like Sochan, Vassell are fundamentally low IQ with horrendous situational awareness. Just hope they get shipped or their roles reduced so they can find a proper niche..

[vy65]

Hi Jeremy

[Robz4000]

Dumbest coaching staff as well

[z0sa]

Some dumb players, and an even dumber coach.

[SouthernFried]

Here's my ranking of Spurs players.

1- FOX
2- CP3
3- CASTLE
4- WEMBY
5- BARNES.

Those are the best and/or smartest players on our team...in order. You have those players on the court at the same time, the SPURS are worth watching. And yeah...we need a big.

[slick'81]

Wheres popovich

[Tyronn Lue]

Pop stopped teaching basketball a few years back. Mitch doesn't know enough. We need a new coach who knows the modern game.
Maybe JKidd has had enough.

[Mugen]

Sochan is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on a court. I'm assuming the hair dye has just seeped in tbh.

[rascal]

Sochan is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on a court. I'm assuming the hair dye has just seeped in tbh.

Sochan passes up a shot with time running out in the quarter and dribbles the quarter out without putting up a shot.

[John B]

Sochan passes up a shot with time running out in the quarter and dribbles the quarter out without putting up a shot.

I’ve seen him passes up shots every time as if he got traumatized to shoot it’s dumb. The potential to score stops at his hands. He wasn’t like this before. He needs to shoot them, make hard cuts to the basket. It’s frustrating.

[mikec]

Sochan is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on a court. I'm assuming the hair dye has just seeped in tbh.

I would love to scan his brain right now to see if his brain is showing signs of atrophy.

[z0sa]

cbf to make a meme but I see the drake one in my head for sochan:

shoot the wide open 3 created for you at the end of the quarter > nah

dribble 8 times and not even attempt a shot before the buzzer > hell yea

[Ice009]

I never understood why they didn’t pay the college athletes. Like Manzel literally got ATM to go from 70k stadium to 105k stadium. The amount of money they made off of him was ridiculous. Now there should be some sort of system in place and it shouldn’t be the wild wild west that it is today but again that’s on college sports for being so damn greedy for generations. Don’t bitch and moan about how tough it is with the transfer portal and poaching of players when you had over 100 years of reaping the benefits of not paying them. Only an idiot doesn’t have a contingency plan in place in case you lose a lawsuit.

More unpopular opinions. I think though that one and done has killed the nba product. Get rid of it. I think nba players should pay for their own hotel and car rentals like wrestlers do. I also think they need to get rid of the Supermax. It has hurt small markets more than helped them. Or redo the contract where they must play a minimum of 4 years on the team they signed with. Limit the amount of 3s they can take per half to 20. It’s a technical if they go over. And players only get paid for games played/dressed.

What is the one-and-done rule? Is that playing one year in college? What is the actual reason for this rule? Is it to reach an age limit before you can play in the NBA? Also, not sure about the not being paid unless you can play rule. That might force some players to play when they shouldn't and could lead to serious injury. Maybe dock their pay if they can't play, but don't take all of it away. Maybe 50% pay cut for games they don't play? I don't know, I just don't want to see players pushing through injuries and getting hurt more. That's my main concern with a rule like that.
Edit : Just thought about it and yeah, that'll never happen. You could never do that in a regular job, so even though these guys get paid a lot, they should still get paid if they're truly injured and can't play. Load management, though, needs to be looked at more closely IMO.

[John B]

Here's my ranking of Spurs players.

1- FOX
2- CP3
3- CASTLE
4- WEMBY
5- BARNES.

Those are the best and/or smartest players on our team...in order. You have those players on the court at the same time, the SPURS are worth watching. And yeah...we need a big.

I’d put Mamu up there. I don’t know why he doesn’t get more minutes than Sochan tbh. While at it, I’d draft Danny Wolf for my 2nd pick and should raise the bball IQ of this club.

[Pero]

... I think nba players should pay for their own hotel and car rentals like wrestlers do. ... And players only get paid for games played/dressed.

Why? This just means more money for owners. Also, if I'm not misunderstanding you, you're basically advocating that players shouldn't get payed when injured. That's not really defensible (I imagine even in the US?). If that happened to me, that I got injured on the job, and then I wouldn't be payed at all for the days I missed because of it, I would sue.

[024]

The couple of years before Wemby was a pretty bad environment for a young developing team with hardly any vets or leadership. Instilled some poor habits into the young players especially since none of them had Wemby or Castle level bball IQ.

Getting rid of Collins was a good start. Sochan is settling into a high level role player off the bench. Vassell should get some time to adapt to the new hierarchy. Wemby should be getting some more coaching and plays run for him to score inside the paint. Should be looking at AD highlights on how to be a jumpshooting big but still find ways to score in the paint.

KJ is the next logical player to be moved. Has been trending down since he peaked in his third season. Feels like he got worse after that and never developed his game. Wonder what his value is today and if he needs a 2nd round pick attached to be offloaded.

[z0sa]

Why? This just means more money for owners. Also, if I'm not misunderstanding you, you're basically advocating that players shouldn't get payed when injured. That's not really defensible (I imagine even in the US?). If that happened to me, that I got injured on the job, and then I wouldn't be payed at all for the days I missed because of it, I would sue.

Yeah, that's a big problem, at least here in the US. What I mean is, there's always a doctor you can pay who will tell you what you want to hear. The only way they won't is if there's a possibility of them being sued over it and/or if it's blatant malpractice.

[Obstructed_View]

Watching the other team run the same play over and over and over and coming all the way back to give up a last second game winner -again- was...unsurprising.

At least we know the tendency for tragic close losses snatched from the hands of victory isn't related to the talent level of the players or the competition.

[Pero]

Yeah, that's a big problem, at least here in the US. What I mean is, there's always a doctor you can pay who will tell you what you want to hear. The only way they won't is if there's a possibility of them being sued over it and/or if it's blatant malpractice.

I know not everyone thinks the same way, but I'd definitely want to hear the truth. Otherwise it could endanger my career or worse.

[vy65]

Bump