The Broken Friendship Locket of De’Aaron “Down in a Hole” Fox

[djohn2oo8]

Well, I didn't want to comment on this as there is so many circumstances going (Victor out, Fox's finger injured, team a bit of a mess talent wise), but he's not looking great. He's not worth supermax IMO. Do you guys think he's even worth the max? He is not playing too well lately :(.
One issue if he is maxed. He will be 28 in December. You probably have a 4 year window before you could start to see a bit of a decline.

[CGD]

https://i.ibb.co/5h7kzqPw/fox-injury-update-could-be-shut-down-soon-per-orsborn-v0-fqykkcnsxene1-jpeg.webp

Just knock it out now. Let us shamelessly tank.

[Raven]

shut him down ffs.

[baseline bum]

https://i.ibb.co/5h7kzqPw/fox-injury-update-could-be-shut-down-soon-per-orsborn-v0-fqykkcnsxene1-jpeg.webp

That's stupid, just get it evaluated now. I don't get the point of trying to save a few hundred bucks of airfare on a guy you're about to sign to an extension for $57 million a year.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That's stupid, just get it evaluated now. I don't get the point of trying to save a few hundred bucks of airfare on a guy you're about to sign to an extension for $57 million a year.

That extension :depressed

[baseline bum]

That extension :depressed

That's going to be against salary caps of $171 million, $188 million, $206 million, and $227 million for those four years. NBA revenue has just shot through the roof with the new TV/streaming deal so you can't look at it the same way you would a max contract signed 3-4 years ago in a period where the cap (and thus revenues) were pretty stagnant a couple of times. This is kind of a unique point in NBA history where max contracts can only be really bad if the player ends up getting hurt and/or just sucking (e.g. John Wall level). Any contract a player signs these next 3-4 years is going to be an effectively declining contract (relative to the salary cap) over the entire life of the deal.

[CGD]

That's stupid, just get it evaluated now. I don't get the point of trying to save a few hundred bucks of airfare on a guy you're about to sign to an extension for $57 million a year.

Feels like it’s the players doctor/preference not the teams.

[baseline bum]

Feels like it’s the players doctor/preference not the teams.

Only thing I can think of is De'Aaron wanting to hit the 65 games played milestone, but not like he's making an All-NBA team this year.

[Dex]

That extension :depressed

You can't expect to get good players and then not pay them.

And no, I don't think his three weeks playing with the team (minus the All-Star Break), mostly without Wemby, are a good barometer for his value with the Spurs.

[dn0774]

Well, I didn't want to comment on this as there is so many circumstances going (Victor out, Fox's finger injured, team a bit of a mess talent wise), but he's not looking great. He's not worth supermax IMO. Do you guys think he's even worth the max? He is not playing too well lately :(.

Yea it has been a rough start to his Spurs tenure for sure. Tough to really assign blame squarely on Fox, though. I place more emphasis on his 5+ seasons of being a dynamic scorer than I do these last 14 games of him being dropped into an entirely new situation starting next to an even smaller pg than himself and having serious reservations about our coach/scheme. Also, he has been dealing with an injury on his shooting hand, not surprising he isn't shooting well.

The Spurs will max him out (not supermax, he doesn't qualify) as I am sure that was all but agree'd upon when the trade was made (Rich Paul wasn't pulling the trigger without that assurance). The Spurs need(ed) serious infusions of talent and were able to grasp him away at minimal cost, I still love the trade.

This season showed that even with Wemby in the fold we need to get more talent/shooting (through draft and maybe S&T/free agency) at the 3 and 4 and continue to let Castle grow. The good thing about building with Castle and new draftees is they stay underpaid (assuming they are solid) for 4 years meaning we can afford to overpay a player or 2 in that time frame, especially with the cap rising these next 4 years so much.

[The Truth #6]

Right now the situation seems to be giving more minutes to Castle while still giving their respect to Chris Paul to get his minutes, so I'm not really too worried about Fox right now. It's not like he's putting up horrible scoring numbers or looks injured or like he's lost a step out there. He still looks like a completely dynamic score who can get points in ways that no one else on the team can.

[scott]

You can't expect to get good players and then not pay them.

And no, I don't think his three weeks playing with the team (minus the All-Star Break), mostly without Wemby, are a good barometer for his value with the Spurs.

And playing out of position the entire time

[LeBowen]

Fox was brought in because of his fit with Wemby. We need a point guard who can make use of Wemby's floor spacing and verticality.
Without Wemby on the floor, there's no space to drive by modern NBA standards since we don't have another shooting big.

[BatManu20]

De'Aaron's wife and his former best buddy Malik Monk exchanging pleasantries after the game. Some bad blood there for sure.

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[Gibbz]

I can't believe we got De'Aaron Fox for the MIN pick and some trash and there are people here complaining about having to pay him. :lmao

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

De'Aaron's wife and his former best buddy Malik Monk exchanging pleasantries after the game. Some bad blood there for sure.

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That's the kind of nasty we need. Guns up Recee!

[heyheymymy]

Man FUCK Sacramento with this indignation energy. Fox didn't do you dirty and it's an insult to the Spurs fanbase who WAS done dirty by Kawhi and knows what that really looks like.

[heyheymymy]

I figured Fox was getting the eval in LA because there might be a specialist in the LA area that the team and Fox prefers the opinion of. Maybe they want a specific group or doc to look at the hand and give an assessment. But yeah I thought that was weird too like why wait

[exstatic]

I figured Fox was getting the eval in LA because there might be a specialist in the LA area that the team and Fox prefers the opinion of. Maybe they want a specific group or doc to look at the hand and give an assessment. But yeah I thought that was weird too like why wait

Just an opinion, but I think the eval is already done, and the surgery will happen in LA because the timing will allow him to recover and participate in offseason activities and training camp. They probably don’t want to spike ticket sales by announcing too soon that he’s going to be shut down.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You can't expect to get good players and then not pay them.

And no, I don't think his three weeks playing with the team (minus the All-Star Break), mostly without Wemby, are a good barometer for his value with the Spurs.


He’s had one amazing season surrounded by several decent ones but I do agree he needs surgery and more time with wemby before a proper assessment can be made. He just looks worse and worse since the trade but yeah this season should be a mulligan

[Ice009]

Yea it has been a rough start to his Spurs tenure for sure. Tough to really assign blame squarely on Fox, though. I place more emphasis on his 5+ seasons of being a dynamic scorer than I do these last 14 games of him being dropped into an entirely new situation starting next to an even smaller pg than himself and having serious reservations about our coach/scheme. Also, he has been dealing with an injury on his shooting hand, not surprising he isn't shooting well.

The Spurs will max him out (not supermax, he doesn't qualify) as I am sure that was all but agree'd upon when the trade was made (Rich Paul wasn't pulling the trigger without that assurance). The Spurs need(ed) serious infusions of talent and were able to grasp him away at minimal cost, I still love the trade.

This season showed that even with Wemby in the fold we need to get more talent/shooting (through draft and maybe S&T/free agency) at the 3 and 4 and continue to let Castle grow. The good thing about building with Castle and new draftees is they stay underpaid (assuming they are solid) for 4 years meaning we can afford to overpay a player or 2 in that time frame, especially with the cap rising these next 4 years so much.

Yeah, you're right. All those factors are most likely contributing to him not playing too well these past few weeks. Good call. The spacing isn't there without Victor. Like The Truth mentioned below, he still looks dynamic and can do things other players on the team can't.


Right now the situation seems to be giving more minutes to Castle while still giving their respect to Chris Paul to get his minutes, so I'm not really too worried about Fox right now. It's not like he's putting up horrible scoring numbers or looks injured or like he's lost a step out there. He still looks like a completely dynamic score who can get points in ways that no one else on the team can.

The Spurs aren't doing too well with him in the lineup according to this :


https://www.nba.com/news/nba-storylines-what-weve-seen-from-players-traded-at-deadline
Since De’Aaron Fox joined the Spurs, they’ve been 14.6 points per 100 possessions better with him off the floor (plus-7.9) than with him on the floor (minus-6.7).

And playing out of position the entire time

But, you are right, he still looks dynamic and can score in ways other guys on the team can't. It just hasn't been the ideal start for him due to so many factors. He really wanted to be in San Antonio, so I'm happy to ride with him.


Fox was brought in because of his fit with Wemby. We need a point guard who can make use of Wemby's floor spacing and verticality.
Without Wemby on the floor, there's no space to drive by modern NBA standards since we don't have another shooting big.

I sort of expected him to still get some easy buckets with his speed, but what you're saying is fair enough in regard to the floor spacing.


I figured Fox was getting the eval in LA because there might be a specialist in the LA area that the team and Fox prefers the opinion of. Maybe they want a specific group or doc to look at the hand and give an assessment. But yeah I thought that was weird too like why wait

This is the way I understood it. I assumed the guy in LA is one of the specialists they want the opinion of and/or doing the surgery, so maybe that is why they've timed it this way. Give him a little bit of time with the team and then some games with the home fans coming off the long road trip, and then do the surgery?

[TXstbobcat]

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/fox-face-season-ending-surgery-soon-mid-march-20210048.php

[Mr. Body]

I mean, we're going to pay this guy way more than he's actually worth. That's one of the main reasons he forced himself to the Spurs. He only has four or five years max at prime play and hopefully that long.

But we got him for very little and the absurd salary won't hurt too much, just mean we will have problems if another better player becomes available. He's a good player and if Wemby can get healthy things will work fine. He's not even close to a top twenty player like some say, he's limited in what he does, is a bad defender, but he was an infusion of talent for not many assets.

If they can secure him for the next contract without destroying flexibility, this worked just fine. Let's not overestimate the player he is, though.

[djohn2oo8]

I mean, we're going to pay this guy way more than he's actually worth. That's one of the main reasons he forced himself to the Spurs. He only has four or five years max at prime play and hopefully that long.

But we got him for very little and the absurd salary won't hurt too much, just mean we will have problems if another better player becomes available. He's a good player and if Wemby can get healthy things will work fine. He's not even close to a top twenty player like some say, he's limited in what he does, is a bad defender, but he was an infusion of talent for not many assets.

If they can secure him for the next contract without destroying flexibility, this worked just fine. Let's not overestimate the player he is, though.
Good take. Also, y’all will need a definite answer from Pop sooner than later if he wants to retire.

[scott]

Swipa one of the most efficient PnR players in the league. Just got to get him more opportunities in it with Wemby.

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[exstatic]

Swipa one of the most efficient PnR players in the league. Just got to get him more opportunities in it with Wemby.

https://i.redd.it/q85yvlearvse1.jpeg

Somebody posted him guesting on a podcast, and about 2/3s of the way thru, he mentioned that in his last game with Wemby,they both encountered situations where both defenders went with one player, and neither of them had ever encountered both players going with the other offensive player. Like, never in the NBA. This could be fun to watch next year.

[scott]

Somebody posted him guesting on a podcast, and about 2/3s of the way thru, he mentioned that in his last game with Wemby,they both encountered situations where both defenders went with one player, and neither of them had ever encountered both players going with the other offensive player. Like, never in the NBA. This could be fun to watch next year.

Indeed. We all we so pleased at how CP3 running the PnR made us look so much better, and he's only an average efficiency, low volume PnR man. De'Aaron is Top-5 in PnR efficiency and has never had a weapon like Wemby running it with him... and theoretically we should also see Castle make a huge leap in PPP as he continues to grow. Sochan is also a rather efficient roll man so there are some possibilities there as well. Exciting.

[Ignazzz]

any update?

[scott]

any update?

On what? He's out for the season. He had successful surgery. He'll be back in time for training camp.

[exstatic]

any update?

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A recent podcast appearance. His big cast is off, and he has like a small soft cast and a splint underneath.

[ace3g]

I think the left hand is ok - from his basketball camp today.

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[Knoxxx]

I recall reading that his pinkie injury was horrific as far as those go but nothing about it being not repairable.

Fox is a SPECIAL talent. Wemby rookie year I’d never heard of him but recall us putting Sochan on him who could barely slow him at all. He’s very dynamic with a high BBIQ and team oriented too. I think we are in store for a real treat seeing him and the rest of the team we put together next season.

[Ice009]

I recall reading that his pinkie injury was horrific as far as those go but nothing about it being not repairable.

Fox is a SPECIAL talent. Wemby rookie year I’d never heard of him but recall us putting Sochan on him who could barely slow him at all. He’s very dynamic with a high BBIQ and team oriented too. I think we are in store for a real treat seeing him and the rest of the team we put together next season.

You'd never heard of De'Aaron Fox before Victor's rookie year? I'm surprised if so. I didn't watch him much to be familiar with his game, but I definitely knew who he was.

He did have an interview a while ago, showed on the video (just after the surgery I think it was), it still doesn't stay in it's natural state like before the injury, but I think that is as good/close as it's going to get.

[SpursFan86]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/de-aaron-fox-san-antonio-new-contract-20365051.php

RealGM summarized the article below:

San Antonio Spurs guard De'Aaron Fox is recovering well from surgery on his left pinkie finger. That has Fox excited to be gearing up for his first full season in San Antonio. The veteran point guard hopes that first full season comes with a contract extension with the Spurs.
"I would definitely hope so," Fox said when asked his optimism about signing an extension this summer.
Fox is eligible to sign a four-year, $228.6 million extension with San Antonio this offseason. He's limited to four years, because the Spurs acquired him via trade after his rookie scale contract ended. That max extension for Fox would kick in at $51 million with the 2026-27 season.
As for his recovery from late-season surgery on the little finger on his shooting hand, Fox said he's back to full-go.
"I’m doing well. The surgery went fine," Fox said. "I’ve been cleared so I played a little five-on-five and I’ve done contact stuff, so I’ll be ready for next year."

[SpursFan86]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rockets/article/de-aaron-fox-san-antonio-new-contract-20365051.php

RealGM summarized the article below:

San Antonio Spurs guard De'Aaron Fox is recovering well from surgery on his left pinkie finger. That has Fox excited to be gearing up for his first full season in San Antonio. The veteran point guard hopes that first full season comes with a contract extension with the Spurs.

"I would definitely hope so," Fox said when asked his optimism about signing an extension this summer.

Fox is eligible to sign a four-year, $228.6 million extension with San Antonio this offseason. He's limited to four years, because the Spurs acquired him via trade after his rookie scale contract ended. That max extension for Fox would kick in at $51 million with the 2026-27 season.

As for his recovery from late-season surgery on the little finger on his shooting hand, Fox said he's back to full-go.

"I’m doing well. The surgery went fine," Fox said. "I’ve been cleared so I played a little five-on-five and I’ve done contact stuff, so I’ll be ready for next year."

[Mr. Body]

That extension is going to be nasty.

[Pauleta14]

If he only wants the max he's making himself a trade asset.

[baseline bum]

That extension is going to be nasty.

If both Castle and Harper prove themselves max players then they'll have to trade De'Aaron in the summer of 2029, in which case it'll be a huge expiring contract. Wright has set the team up really well for the last half of the decade. The real danger is if he gets caught up in getting Durant and pays him a supermax on his two year extension. Really hoping they can get that extension done for say 2 years $60 to $70 million if they trade for him.

[RC_Drunkford]

That extension is going to be nasty.

not really. I just hope we can get a "we're bringing you Durant" discount, so it's like 50 million per year.

[Bruno]

His extension is really a non-issue.
If Spurs traded for him, it's because they were fine with him getting a max extension. Spurs getting Harper shouldn't change that.

BTW, Fox is a damn good player. He is well worth, in the current NBA economical landscape, the $229M/4 years extension he should get this summer.

[Ariel]

That extension is going to be nasty.
The supermax would have been, I wouldn't have touched that with a 10 ft pole. But the max extension he'd be looking at is 4 years 229 million, starting at 51.1 million (30%) and, even if it increases by 8% yearly, it will go down as a percentage of the cap because the cap will increase even more. As long as Fox doesn't regress or get seriously injured John Wall style, his contract should be movable if necessary.

[Ice009]

Come on guys. He asked to be here. Don't forget that. The Spurs got lucky in the lottery, which is awesome, but that doesn't mean De'Aaron should get talked about being traded and asked to take a pay cut. I'm sure the FO and him discussed an extension and/or what it would look like. If they haven't, maybe they can negotiate a little by laying out what they need if they get Durant and Harper to keep the team together, but if they did agree to a max extension before or after the trade, I don't see them going back on that.

[cutewizard]

Fox deal done?

[mudyez]

Fox is here to stay and people should and will be fine with it. He will be our second best player for several years (unless there is a weird trade for Giannis and maybe for a year if KD comes over) and will get his max extention. By the time that is up, it's less than the 30% and thus will be still fine. Then we will see: IF Harper and Castle are great, he might get moved...or he signs for less and probably becomes a supreme 6th man.

Anyway: Be happy we have him and stacking Fox, Harper and Castle is fine too (with Harper being the 6th man, later probably Castle)...just have Manu attent practices to show that being 6th man is fine.

[Leetonidas]

I keep seeing reports on social media about Fox agreeing to a 3 year 140M extension but can't find any legit reports. Anyone seeing similar?

[exstatic]

I keep seeing reports on social media about Fox agreeing to a 3 year 140M extension but can't find any legit reports. Anyone seeing similar?

That would be fucking amazing.

[Leetonidas]

That would be fucking amazing.
Right? Seems too good to be true but I've seen two pages mention it. Probably BS but if I find legit sauce I'll post it

[Leetonidas]

Yeah probably BS, can't find anyone legitimate reporting this news yet. Nevermind:lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The only logic behind the 3 year extension ( more like 2+ a player option) would be for Fox to get to 10 years of experience and be eligible for a 35% max. It’s unlikely that he’d get that realistically even if he’s eligible, so he’d be smart to sign the 4/229. It’s probably just speculation.

[scott]

Fox can’t sign any extension until Aug 3, so any reports suggesting anything is “done” should be taken with some degree of a grain of salt.

[Dverde]

I don’t think Spurs do the trade for Fox after getting #2 pick. Probably keep CP3 for one more year. He was smart to ask for that trade last season.

[Ocotillo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/peja-stojakovic-says-rich-paul-blackmailed-the-kings-so-de-aaron-fox-could-end-up-with-the-spurs-he-limited-sacramento-from-a-business-standpoint/ar-AA1GsIvi?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=ed4af57f58684cb8f385e8dad4d2727c&ei=45

Peja Stojakovic says Rich Paul blackmailed Sacramento.



It seems there was a directive from his agent, Rich Paul, who played a key role and blackmailed the teams on which player was supposed to get traded where. He brought Fox to the Spurs and Zach LaVine who is his player, brought him to Sacramento. By doing this, he limited Sacramento from a business standpoint, stating that they get a bit more from this trade with Fox if they had the same discussion with some other teams in the NBA

[exstatic]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/peja-stojakovic-says-rich-paul-blackmailed-the-kings-so-de-aaron-fox-could-end-up-with-the-spurs-he-limited-sacramento-from-a-business-standpoint/ar-AA1GsIvi?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=ed4af57f58684cb8f385e8dad4d2727c&ei=45

Peja Stojakovic says Rich Paul blackmailed Sacramento.

It’s not blackmail. No one had any dirty pictures of Vivek Ranadive they threatened to release. It’s called leverage, and if anyone, Fox applied it by refusing to extend with the Kings, or any other team. Pretty much normal business in the NBA these days.

[Dejounte]

Thank you Rich Paul

[scott]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/peja-stojakovic-says-rich-paul-blackmailed-the-kings-so-de-aaron-fox-could-end-up-with-the-spurs-he-limited-sacramento-from-a-business-standpoint/ar-AA1GsIvi?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=ed4af57f58684cb8f385e8dad4d2727c&ei=45

Peja Stojakovic says Rich Paul blackmailed Sacramento.

Pretty badass if true, tbh.

I bet Peja knows a thing or seven about blackmail :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

The Kings got a good return for Fox. The dumb team in this deal was Chicago.

[exstatic]

The Kings got a good return for Fox. The dumb team in this deal was Chicago.

The Kings ARE Chicago. :rollin

[BatManu20]

He's not wrong tbh.

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"It seems there was a directive from his agent, Rich Paul, who played a key role and blackmailed the teams on which player was supposed to get traded where. He brought Fox to the Spurs, and Zach LaVine, who is his player, brought him to Sacramento. By doing this, he limited Sacramento from a business standpoint, stating that they get a bit more from this trade with Fox if they had the same discussion with some other teams in the NBA."

[Seventyniner]

I keep seeing reports on social media about Fox agreeing to a 3 year 140M extension but can't find any legit reports. Anyone seeing similar?

I would imagine the Spurs have talked to both Fox and Durant about extensions in an attempt to get all their money lined up so they can proceed with the rest of the offseason with that knowledge. Fox can't actually sign the extension until August 3, but it would be dumb for him to agree to something now and then renege.

Fox might not go as low as 3/140, would be amazing if he does.

[Seventyniner]

:lol at Peja. Players get traded for sub-optimal packages all the time. Number Two, Luka, Pau, the list goes on. I'm just glad the Spurs were on the right side of one of those for once.

[RC_Drunkford]

I would imagine the Spurs have talked to both Fox and Durant about extensions in an attempt to get all their money lined up so they can proceed with the rest of the offseason with that knowledge. Fox can't actually sign the extension until August 3, but it would be dumb for him to agree to something now and then renege.

Fox might not go as low as 3/140, would be amazing if he does.

bringing him the best wing he ever played with is certainly a good argument for negotiations

[BatManu20]

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[dn0774]

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Must be fun to be able to get up like that and yet still be fair "normal" sized.

[dn0774]

With Wemby coming back to the states after his Chinese excursion I wonder when him and Fox plan to link up. Fox mentioned in an interview awhile back they are both expected to be cleared medically in June and they want to get to work when they are.

[RC_Drunkford]

hope they do something similar like the Pacers when they all linked up at Siakams crib and worked in his gym

[spurraider21]

Been quiet on the extension front… you’d think if both sides thought he’s just getting a max deal it would be done by now

[tbdog]

Been quiet on the extension front… you’d think if both sides thought he’s just getting a max deal it would be done by now

Can't sign anything until August. Spurs usually don't leak.

[goliath]

Been quiet on the extension front… you’d think if both sides thought he’s just getting a max deal it would be done by now
Believe he can extend sometime in August

[spurraider21]

Ah nevermind then

[cutewizard]

Should be the Team Captain, tbh

[mystargtr34]

With CP3 out of the picture we should see more of Fox pick and roll skills. Be interesting to see the Fox-Kornet screen and roll Kornet. looks a good screener.

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[TimmyBuckets]

Does anyone think Fox is in the mix for Giannis trade?

[Leetonidas]

Does anyone think Fox is in the mix for Giannis trade?

No

[spurraider21]

Does anyone think Fox is in the mix for Giannis trade?
i dont think a giannis trade is happening. i dont think the bucks stretch lillard and push for myles turner if they were also planning to move giannis.

with that said, if the spurs were trading for a 30 year old giannis still in his prime, i think they'd keep fox. they'd move vassell/harper/castle and picks to get it done. its what the bucks would demand and rightfully so. giannis is an all-timer still in his prime who plays both sides of the ball at elite levels.

the spurs would be built around the ridiculous vertical gravity of fox/giannis/wemby, and would just need to figure out a how to get a couple of shooters to round it out.

a bucks team blowing it up isnt going to want the biggest return of the giannis trade to be a 27 year old point guard making 40+ mil while the rest of the roster is being rebuilt from the ground up

[scott]

Stop trying to make fetch happen

[poopbox]

Hhhmmm...no word on Fox extension yet?

[8FOR!3]

i dont think a giannis trade is happening. i dont think the bucks stretch lillard and push for myles turner if they were also planning to move giannis.

with that said, if the spurs were trading for a 30 year old giannis still in his prime, i think they'd keep fox. they'd move vassell/harper/castle and picks to get it done. its what the bucks would demand and rightfully so. giannis is an all-timer still in his prime who plays both sides of the ball at elite levels.

the spurs would be built around the ridiculous vertical gravity of fox/giannis/wemby, and would just need to figure out a how to get a couple of shooters to round it out.

a bucks team blowing it up isnt going to want the biggest return of the giannis trade to be a 27 year old point guard making 40+ mil while the rest of the roster is being rebuilt from the ground up

There isn't a 30+ year old in the league I would trade Vassell/HARPER/CASTLE/AND multiple picks for. Any combo of Wesley/Branham/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes and as many picks as they want but that's all I would even entertain. Castle I would have to think long and hard about. Castle AND Harper is a no go for me. You're really telling me Giannis would affect us winning for a decade more than 2 all star caliber players? I don't believe it.

[TimmyBuckets]

There isn't a 30+ year old in the league I would trade Vassell/HARPER/CASTLE/AND multiple picks for. Any combo of Wesley/Branham/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes and as many picks as they want but that's all I would even entertain. Castle I would have to think long and hard about. Castle AND Harper is a no go for me. You're really telling me Giannis would affect us winning for a decade more than 2 all star caliber players? I don't believe it.

Plus he's expensive and we still have to extend Fox. I'm firmly in the we don't need him camp. For those who say we lack shooting, getting a guy who can't shoot and getting rid of most of the squad isn't going to change that. We can't just plug and play random other players. There aren't even many FAs available. I know Wemby's on a rookie deal, but what about when we extend him? League's about flexibility and parity now, not building a super team. You're not saying no to Giannis coming here as the Spurs, obviously, or any team for that matter, but it has to be at a great deal and he has to want to come here. He hasn't mentioned squat about wanting to play for any specific team. Doubt we get him.

[KDKSpurs24]

Does anyone think Fox is in the mix for Giannis trade?
I don’t think some of y’all(and most fans in general) realize that Fox is represented by RICH PAUL! After what Fox and Paul did to get here the Spurs are not gonna mess that situation up. He’s here to stay at least for a couple years.

[dn0774]

Hhhmmm...no word on Fox extension yet?

Not eligible until August 3rd.

[Ice009]

I don’t think some of y’all(and most fans in general) realize that Fox is represented by RICH PAUL! After what Fox and Paul did to get here the Spurs are not gonna mess that situation up. He’s here to stay at least for a couple years.

I'm sick of hearing people that have no clue of the intricacies of the trade to get him to the Spurs constantly trying to get him traded. There needs to be a sticky explaining why it can't be done.

[Mnky]

Fox had a near triple double on good efficiency in his first game against Dallas.

People who don't actually know his ability are severely underestimating it. He's a legit top 25, and if he gets his shooting stroke back, a top 20 player.

Castle and Harper likely won't touch that area for the duration of Foxes next contract. I was against the trade because of the nature of the NBA and his size/game but he might not even been in his prime yet if we are being honest. He has quite a bit of game left. His next contract is an easy decision for the Spurs.

[spurraider21]

There isn't a 30+ year old in the league I would trade Vassell/HARPER/CASTLE/AND multiple picks for. Any combo of Wesley/Branham/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes and as many picks as they want but that's all I would even entertain. Castle I would have to think long and hard about. Castle AND Harper is a no go for me. You're really telling me Giannis would affect us winning for a decade more than 2 all star caliber players? I don't believe it.
All this means is you don’t want to trade for Giannis. And that’s fine

[OldMan88]

I'm sick of hearing people that have no clue of the intricacies of the trade to get him to the Spurs constantly trying to get him traded. There needs to be a sticky explaining why it can't be done.

Probably the same type of people that constantly hated on Tony Parker.

[8FOR!3]

All this means is you don’t want to trade for Giannis. And that’s fine

No but I would only do it for the right price. Wesley/Branham/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes and multiple first round picks and second round picks is a haul. Obviously they may not want Wesley/Branham. But I would at least put them on the table as extra young guys if they want to go into full rebuild mode. I would also be fine with moving De'Aaron Fox (again, I'm not saying the Bucks have any interest in this.) Don't get me wrong, I value Fox as a player, but he is a lot more expendable now that we drafted Castle and Harper. Both of those guys could be perennial all star guards. And I think long term Harper at PG and Castle at SG is the answer anyway. Fox is great for helping those guys develop as long as he's here though.

But I completely get it if that's not enough for Milwaukee and that's fine. That's where I draw the line but they can pick and choose from anyone I listed

Fox
Wesley
Branham
Vassell
Keldon
Barnes
Sochan
1st round picks
2nd round picks

Other teams may be able to offer better.

[exstatic]

No but I would only do it for the right price. Wesley/Branham/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes and multiple first round picks and second round picks is a haul. Obviously they may not want Wesley/Branham. But I would at least put them on the table as extra young guys if they want to go into full rebuild mode. I would also be fine with moving De'Aaron Fox (again, I'm not saying the Bucks have any interest in this.) Don't get me wrong, I value Fox as a player, but he is a lot more expendable now that we drafted Castle and Harper. Both of those guys could be perennial all star guards. And I think long term Harper at PG and Castle at SG is the answer anyway. Fox is great for helping those guys develop as long as he's here though.

But I completely get it if that's not enough for Milwaukee and that's fine. That's where I draw the line but they can pick and choose from anyone I listed

Fox
Wesley
Branham
Vassell
Keldon
Barnes
Sochan
1st round picks
2nd round picks

Other teams may be able to offer better.

I hope they do. That trade fucking guts our roster. We’d have to fill out with many many minimum contract guys.

[Knoxxx]

Fox is electric there’s highlights where he blows into the lane and dunks so fast if you blinked you missed it and even when you see it your are like OMG did he just do that!?! That’s the kind of team I want, one that can rev it up to 1000 miles an hour and blow the other team out of the gym.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fox had a near triple double on good efficiency in his first game against Dallas.

People who don't actually know his ability are severely underestimating it. He's a legit top 25, and if he gets his shooting stroke back, a top 20 player.

Castle and Harper likely won't touch that area for the duration of Foxes next contract. I was against the trade because of the nature of the NBA and his size/game but he might not even been in his prime yet if we are being honest. He has quite a bit of game left. His next contract is an easy decision for the Spurs.

Agree with all of this. Fox was a good get, even if he wasn’t exactly what the Spurs needed. His game will make them better. This is a young team without a lot of reliable options and experience. Fox can be the veteran leader of this group. I have no doubt they’ll extend him.

[Ice009]

Fox forced a trade to the Spurs. How many players have done that? Hardly anyone. He's also a very good player. You DO NOT kick him to the curb even if you got lucky in the lottery. He was even keeping an eye on the lottery as he knew we had Atlanta's pick when he got here, which I thought was cool (I'm sure he was hoping we get one of the top 4 picks/players to add to the team). Just play them all and see how it fits.

[Mnky]

If you haven't yet and just need something to do while you wait for meaningful games, I do suggest people check out his interviews. Fox is a smart guy when it comes to ball. He has a good understanding for what it takes to win. Dude wants to win. He had a team almost take gsw, but knows it takes defense. He sees the vision with Wemby and is obviously all in on it.

He's also spoken on the importance of the 3 ball for ball dominant players. His improvement before the hand injury was a focused effort. It wasn't an annomaly.

He ain't slowing down anytime soon either.

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[spurraider21]

yeah its funny seeing people talk about Fox as if hes on the verge of decline when he is 27 and realistically just getting into his prime

for this needing some perspective, he's about a year younger than DJM

tony parker who plays a relatively similar-ish game to Fox really became HOTS around the 2011-2012 season which was his age 29 season

[KDKSpurs24]

yeah its funny seeing people talk about Fox as if hes on the verge of decline when he is 27 and realistically just getting into his prime

for this needing some perspective, he's about a year younger than DJM

tony parker who plays a relatively similar-ish game to Fox really became HOTS around the 2011-2012 season which was his age 29 season

Exactly. People are way too worried about a “timeline”. As if a team full of 19-22 year olds are going to know how to win big games and contend. OKC is really young but their star Shai is 26 coming off 3 straight 30ppg seasons. Fox is around the same age for our team. This season he dropped 60 and then followed that up with 49 the very next game on a bad hand. Best thing for us is he is that good and isn’t even our best player. And if you think about it, Fox somewhat counts as our off-season acquisition in a way.

[Ice009]

If you haven't yet and just need something to do while you wait for meaningful games, I do suggest people check out his interviews. Fox is a smart guy when it comes to ball. He has a good understanding for what it takes to win. Dude wants to win. He had a team almost take gsw, but knows it takes defense. He sees the vision with Wemby and is obviously all in on it.

He's also spoken on the importance of the 3 ball for ball dominant players. His improvement before the hand injury was a focused effort. It wasn't an annomaly.

He ain't slowing down anytime soon either.

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Where do you watch interviews with him. I've been trying to learn more about him during the off-season, but haven't really seen any interviews. He was on a podcast a month or two ago, but that's the only thing I've seen of him recently.

Awesome that he knows the 3 ball is important for guys that have the ball a lot. Great to know he's working on becoming a better 3 point shooter himself. That will make the Spurs more deadly. That, with his speed would be insane. I'm excited to watch a healthy D-Fox this season.

[Dverde]

De’Aaron Fox will either be one of our GOATs or the scapegoat in three years. Only time will tell.

[Mnky]

Where do you watch interviews with him. I've been trying to learn more about him during the off-season, but haven't really seen any interviews. He was on a podcast a month or two ago, but that's the only thing I've seen of him recently.

Awesome that he knows the 3 ball is important for guys that have the ball a lot. Great to know he's working on becoming a better 3 point shooter himself. That will make the Spurs more deadly. That, with his speed would be insane. I'm excited to watch a healthy D-Fox this season.

I think that one you're referring to was the deep 3 podcast right? Actually think he talked about the 3 in that one, might be mistaken. I know he talked about it when he was leaving sac. He also spoke up about not wanting the kings to get castle because he wanted him and he mentioned the defense on that one too and how you need players willing to defend. I think most of the clips can be found in the short videos tab of a google search.

He seems like a guy who lacks social skills tbh, he's extremely blunt and not very safe with his approach to wording. This is probably why he doesn't do a lot of interviews :lol . I know he's going to rub some fans wrong when he drops some facts on them. I see it as an inevitable occurrence tbh.
He does sound very knowledgeable on the game though and the experience of building a winner. I'm pretty excited to see him play for real as well. The season was over when he came over, he didn't have a big reason to play too hard or take minutes away from the young guys and he even acknowledged helping them find their comfort with playing with him. Although pretty straight forward, I think his experience will help out the young guys with his laid back approach to learning. He seems very level headed with things, as he won't get too high or low on an outcome. Probably why he's so good at clutch shots. He really isn't bothered if he misses them. He understands it's part of the game.

[Mnky]

https://youtu.be/2bQbEGGiIrA?si=7hAJUpSNbg7l6SUK

He talks about his contract extension on this one and why he held off. He wanted to be assured the team he was with was building to compete at an ELITE level in the future. He's wiling to invest if he knows the team is making moves for a ring.

[Ice009]

Yes, it was the deep 3 podcast, thanks. I'll have to go back and watch it. I just wasn't sure if there was any other ones since he's been with the Spurs. I haven't watched anything from his Kings time, though. I'll check out that on you posted with Draymond and BD.

And yeah, I did get that he's a bit blunt in the one I watched. I think he mentioned about fans overreacting in that one if I am remembering correctly. He also mentioned in the Deep 3 one that he knew the Spurs had Atlanta's pick for the 2025 draft and was watching them closely to see if they make the playoffs or not. I was surprised he knew that since he hadn't been with the Spurs for long. Looks like he's onto it.

[kxs783kms]

Spurs fans and the organization are cheapskates. Haven't been to the playoffs in 6-7 years and are worried about a salary cap 5,6,7 years from now lol. Salary cap worries are usually for teams who are trying to compete for a title. If we could've got Jordan in his prime, I guarantee most of you would whine about him being too old for the roster and he'll take up too much of the salary cap. Y'all would probably want a unproven rookie because he's cheap, rather than a proven superstar. I've never seen a losing team worry so much about money.

[exstatic]

Spurs fans and the organization are cheapskates. Haven't been to the playoffs in 6-7 years and are worried about a salary cap 5,6,7 years from now lol. Salary cap worries are usually for teams who are trying to compete for a title. If we could've got Jordan in his prime, I guarantee most of you would whine about him being too old for the roster and he'll take up too much of the salary cap. Y'all would probably want a unproven rookie because he's cheap, rather than a proven superstar. I've never seen a losing team worry so much about money.

You’re a dumbass, and totally uninformed about the second apron. Penalties for being too far into the tax repeatedly are that your furthest draft pick (7years out) can be pushed to the end of the round, and frozen from being traded. This can happen multiple times. Those picks would be right when you need to rebuild, and they’d be #30 or after expansion, #32. Your rebuild would be fucked.

Do you pay attention to anything? Did you see GS let Klay Thompson, one of their all time greats, walk in FA last summer? Did you see the LAC let PG walk, not even over $$ but over years? Neither of those teams has ever been shy about spending, and they’d pulled the plug on All Stars. They understand what is coming, but you sure as shit don’t.

[kxs783kms]

You’re a dumbass, and totally uninformed about the second apron. Penalties for being too far into the tax repeatedly are that your furthest draft pick (7years out) can be pushed to the end of the round, and frozen from being traded. This can happen multiple times. Those picks would be right when you need to rebuild, and they’d be #30 or after expansion, #32. Your rebuild would be fucked.

Do you pay attention to anything? Did you see GS let Klay Thompson, one of their all time greats, walk in FA last summer? Did you see the LAC let PG walk, not even over $$ but over years? Neither of those teams has ever been shy about spending, and they’d pulled the plug on All Stars. They understand what is coming, but you sure as shit don’t.

Shut the hell up. Your dumbass are one of the ones who want Wemby to take a paycut for your happiness. Cheap ass. You should've been the last person to comment.

[kxs783kms]

You’re a dumbass, and totally uninformed about the second apron. Penalties for being too far into the tax repeatedly are that your furthest draft pick (7years out) can be pushed to the end of the round, and frozen from being traded. This can happen multiple times. Those picks would be right when you need to rebuild, and they’d be #30 or after expansion, #32. Your rebuild would be fucked.

Do you pay attention to anything? Did you see GS let Klay Thompson, one of their all time greats, walk in FA last summer? Did you see the LAC let PG walk, not even over $$ but over years? Neither of those teams has ever been shy about spending, and they’d pulled the plug on All Stars. They understand what is coming, but you sure as shit don’t.

I don't need your stupid ass to break anything down for me. There are much smarter people for that.

[RC_Drunkford]

You’re a dumbass, and totally uninformed about the second apron. Penalties for being too far into the tax repeatedly are that your furthest draft pick (7years out) can be pushed to the end of the round, and frozen from being traded. This can happen multiple times. Those picks would be right when you need to rebuild, and they’d be #30 or after expansion, #32. Your rebuild would be fucked.

Do you pay attention to anything? Did you see GS let Klay Thompson, one of their all time greats, walk in FA last summer? Did you see the LAC let PG walk, not even over $$ but over years? Neither of those teams has ever been shy about spending, and they’d pulled the plug on All Stars. They understand what is coming, but you sure as shit don’t.

if the aprons wouldn't exist the Spurs would still never reach them

[kxs783kms]

if the aprons wouldn't exist the Spurs would still never reach them

Thank you! His dumbass would know that if he was really a Spurs fan smh. These teams know even bad contracts can be moved, as long as you don't do something dumb like give a guy like Bradley Beal a no trade clause lol. So these teams are taking chances and still stacking up on talent because they know if they don't win a title in a certain amount of time, then they can break the team up and eventually move bad contracts when it's time. But not the cheap ass Spurs. Let's just keep signing mediocre talent and hope that a rookie out of Rutgers be the piece to put us over the top so we don't have to pay proven stars to help us do that. Harper couldn't even lead his team to a tournament birth with another top 5 NBA drafted player as his running mate but that's a conversation no one wants to have.

[tbdog]

Pretty nuts that we pretty much forgot this guy is on the team. I kinda see this as an offseason move rather than an in season one.

[exstatic]

Shut the hell up. Your dumbass are one of the ones who want Wemby to take a paycut for your happiness. Cheap ass. You should've been the last person to comment.
No, I don’t, so you’re wrong again. I’ve been beating the drum that Tim never gave back until like year 12-13, and Wemby shouldn’t either. The big thing is you cannot simultaneously pay Wemby, Fox, Castle, and Harper. Fox has to be gone by the time Harper’s extension kicks in in 2029. You can pay Wemby, Castle, and Harper until the two guards hit their third contract, then you’ll have to make a choice and move one of them.

[exstatic]

if the aprons wouldn't exist the Spurs would still never reach them

Why do you think they brought those hedge fund owners into the fold? Cash cows.

[tbdog]

No, I don’t, so you’re wrong again. I’ve been beating the drum that Tim never gave back until like year 12-13, and Wemby shouldn’t either. The big thing is you cannot simultaneously pay Wemby, Fox, Castle, and Harper. Fox has to be gone by the time Harper’s extension kicks in in 2029. You can pay Wemby, Castle, and Harper until the two guards hit their third contract, then you’ll have to make a choice and move one of them.

Are you considering that negotiations might change for non all stars, especially for young player going into their first non rookie contracts?

[exstatic]

Are you considering that negotiations might change for non all stars, especially for young player going into their first non rookie contracts?

Our guards are top 4 picks. Top guys will still get the bag if they show out. Overall,you’re right, though. Things are changing.

[KDKSpurs24]

Pretty nuts that we pretty much forgot this guy is on the team. I kinda see this as an offseason move rather than an in season one.
That’s exactly how I view it. He barely got to play with an healthy squad. And especially since he’s about to have a full off-season and training camp with the team, the same as a new free agent would.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why do you think they brought those hedge fund owners into the fold? Cash cows.

they are willing to pay tax down the line like they have before. But I highly doubt they go into the tax by 40 million and then pay repeater tax, etc. They have never been in the tax by much or for a long amount of time.

[Ice009]

What's the point of bringing in all these investors if they're not willing to go for it later on down the line. If the team becomes good enough and Steph, Dylan both pan out with De'Aaron still playing at a high level, they should consider it if the Spurs are very legit contenders by that point.

Also, if Victor goes with a Supermax, how many max contracts can they have? 2 more?

[BacktoBasics]

What's the point of bringing in all these investors if they're not willing to go for it later on down the line. If the team becomes good enough and Steph, Dylan both pan out with De'Aaron still playing at a high level, they should consider it if the Spurs are very legit contenders by that point.

Also, if Victor goes with a Supermax, how many max contracts can they have? 2 more?
3 max contracts is nightmare territory

[cutewizard]

Fox and Wemby shall carry the offense this season

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crzphTuCUig

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czWEz7EK9gU&t=105s

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czWEz7EK9gU&t=105s

Filthy

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VOs6xxKgss

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/bhToEw8Fxb4?si=sNvOZrP7qlvVAu9o

[cutewizard]

Fox will be our offensive court general this season......

And our Mr Clutch

[cutewizard]

FOX will take our breath away this incoming season, mark my words......

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M04bP1LAUHw&list=RDM04bP1LAUHw&start_radio =1

[ismael-robert]

Yall were complaining about loading forum down with bball vids now he/she/it loads it down with pointless music vid

[tbdog]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMhOQi0vA-q/



Injured with a tight hamstring.

[Ice009]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMhOQi0vA-q/



Injured with a tight hamstring.

Was that in the description? I didn't hear him say it. Hopefully he's alright.

Didn't even realize he had his own shoes in the Curry brand.

[scott]

Yall were complaining about loading forum down with bball vids now he/she/it loads it down with pointless music vid

to be fair, I don't think YouTube embeds have any impact on slowing down the site. That's just pretty basic website functionality, it's not like the whole video is being uploaded to ST's servers.

The problem is undoubtedly the massive numbers of bots. But maybe the YouTube links attract them? :lol

[spurraider21]

just about a week away from his extension eligibility

my best bet is he's just gonna get the full 4/229 or whatever it is, but i wonder if they will try to do something creative and give him a 3 year deal with a max starting salary and a declining structure, with a 4th year player option. let him pursue another contract early when he is 30 if he wants to opt out

very excited to see him at full strength this year. all the talk with him is his driving ability and then whether or not he will be effective from 3, but the midrange game has become his bread and butter, much like HOTS. in the last 4 years, he has gotten 16% of his FGA within 3 feet, and 43% of his FGA between 3 and 16 feet, and he's been shooting just under 50% from those ranges.

[manufan10]

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Thoughts?

[talkspurs]

1949017728573923748?t=dP-Brppe8idUQctmbuv6DA&s=19

Thoughts?

Is this about his hamstring injury that I have seen very few reports of?

[BatManu20]

Hmmm...

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[talkspurs]

Hmmm...

1949199967287210468

From what I have been able to find it is a hamstring injury. I wish there was more info out there about it.

[itzsoweezee]

Rumors starting about this being a serious injury and Fox out for months. I hope it’s BS

[Leetonidas]

That's concerning...

Hope it's nothing serious

[ginobilized]

Might this give the Spurs some leverage in negotiating his new contract?

Hamstring injuries suck and can take weeks to heal and are easy to re-injure. I assume we will learn more, hopefully.

[Chomag]

Hmm, perhaps Harper might be getting in some early reps after all. I hope it's not very serious though

[Mugen]

Lame, hopefully it's not super serious tbh.

[tbdog]

That video doesn't indicate someone has a serious injury that's season and contract altering.

[Uriel]

Since his scheduled Asia tour was canceled, it’s unlikely this is just a minor, Grade 1 hamstring strain. More likely, it is Grade 2 or Grade 3, which would put the timetable on his return anywhere from 3-6 weeks to 3-6 months.

[tbdog]

Since his scheduled Asia tour was canceled, it's unlikely this is just a minor, Grade 1 hamstring strain. More likely, it is Grade 2 or Grade 3, which would put the timetable on his return anywhere from 3-6 weeks to 3-6 months.


Honestly, I think NBA teams are going to be extremely cautious with calf and hammy injuries these days, especially given the increased risk of Achilles injuries that can follow. Teams don't want to take any chances with those muscle injuries escalating into something worse. This will probably factor into how Fox's return is managed.

[dn0774]

Little over 9ish weeks till training camp, hopefully his recovery can be done in that window. Sucks he wouldn't get to do much/build chemistry in the informal runs that usually happen for 3-4 weeks before camp officially opens. Could be looking at more reps for Castle/Harper at lead guard to start along with plenty of opportunity for Vassell to turn corners and open the season strong.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeEdc9ZfVQI

[TimmyBuckets]

Hope hamstring injury isn't a big deal. I'm really hyped up about the Fox/Alien duo.

[Ice009]

Rumors starting about this being a serious injury and Fox out for months. I hope it’s BS

Where have you heard these rumors? I hope it's not serious. Would be really terrible if so as I wanted these guys to build chemistry during the informal offseason runs before training camp :(.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Where have you heard these rumors? I hope it's not serious. Would be really terrible if so as I wanted these guys to build chemistry during the informal offseason runs before training camp :(.

https://i.redd.it/q50hjee0j6ff1.jpeg

[rjv]

why is anyone taking Dusty Garza seriously?

[Ice009]

Thanks, appreciate it. Regardless of where the source comes from, if he's not going on those trips, it might not be a mild strain, otherwise, I don't see why he wouldn't go.

[Dex]

I don't love that the Spurs are being kinda hush-hush about this. I feel like they usually release something along the lines of "dealing with a hamstring issue, but expected to be ready for season (or miss 4-6 weeks or whatever)".

Maybe they are still unsure and waiting to know more themselves.

Or maybe they know and don't want to say anything in the dead of the offseason.

[exstatic]

I don't love that the Spurs are being kinda hush-hush about this. I feel like they usually release something along the lines of "dealing with a hamstring issue, but expected to be ready for season (or miss 4-6 weeks or whatever)".

Maybe they are still unsure and waiting to know more themselves.

Or maybe they know and don't want to say anything in the dead of the offseason.

Or maybe Dusty is full of shit.

[Dex]

Or maybe Dusty is full of shit.

Probably true, but there is still smoke since he cancelled his Curry Brand tour.

Hopefully just means he's better off spending that time rehabbing and getting ready for the season instead of traveling and doing a bunch of events.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Thanks, appreciate it. Regardless of where the source comes from, if he's not going on those trips, it might not be a mild strain, otherwise, I don't see why he wouldn't go.

There are some severe storms and flooding going on over there right now - that could possibly be adding to it. IDK

[dn0774]

I don't love that the Spurs are being kinda hush-hush about this. I feel like they usually release something along the lines of "dealing with a hamstring issue, but expected to be ready for season (or miss 4-6 weeks or whatever)".

Maybe they are still unsure and waiting to know more themselves.

Or maybe they know and don't want to say anything in the dead of the offseason.

Didn’t the Spurs not say anything about Vassell’s summer surgery last year til day 1 of camp? Or Kawhi dealing with quad issues all summer in 2017 and out for the start of 2017-18? Feels like this is their MO at this point no matter the regime. Even the Wemby news (cleared for activity) only came out a few days after the fact due to Wemby himself being interviewed by a French outlet. Spurs just don’t seem to issue news good or bad during the summer.

Hopefully Fox is good to go by camp. I’m wondering if this impacts extension talks or if it’s tangentially related (doubtful) in any way.

[ChumpDumper]

He was standing in the video.

Can't be that bad.

Maybe a trans-Pacific flight could aggravate even a mild injury.

[Spurs Brazil]

mattgzman

Follow up to the De’Aaron Fox situation: Per Fox’s Curry Brand Tour Host, the point guard is dealing with a muscle strain.

The injury isn’t severe; it shouldn’t impact his availability this season. Opting out of the tour was a precautionary measure. #PorVida

https://x.com/mattgzman/status/1949526843574337748?s=46&t=lqc-Lp7NyWCbQ6reIQj7RA

[exstatic]

My guess is that he just didn’t fucking want to go on this tour, and invented an injury to dodge it. The only surprise was that it wasn’t plantar fasciitis.

[BatManu20]

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[Dex]

Who still goes to the mall!?

Real talk though, thanks for the updates and good news

[exstatic]

Who still goes to the mall!?

Real talk though, thanks for the updates and good news

Mexican nationals, their doctor/lawyer class, up from Monterrey to shop for stuff. Probably 2/3 of the patrons at any time fit that description.

[SupremeGuy]

Mexican nationals, their doctor/lawyer class, up from Monterrey to shop for stuff. Probably 2/3 of the patrons at any time fit that description.*They're*

But nah man most peeps from Monterrey basically just hit up the Valley. It's a long drive.

Side note; DO NOT DRIVE IN MONTERREY. The few times I've had to still wake me up at night. LOL

[The Truth #6]

Well if somehow he is still injured by October then we get to see more Harper. Nothing I'm worried about. If Harper were to click right away, then that's a good problem to have.

[pad300]

*They're*

But nah man most peeps from Monterrey basically just hit up the Valley. It's a long drive.

Side note; DO NOT DRIVE IN MONTERREY. The few times I've had to still wake me up at night. LOL

Do not grammar nazi when you don't know what you are doing.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/their-vs-there-vs-theyre/

[Russo21]

Who still goes to the mall!?

Real talk though, thanks for the updates and good news

Normal people who wanna go to malls, interact with other humans beings, help give other people retail and service jobs and wanna fight the online machine making billionaire's billions and putting other people out of work. They're the sort of legends who still go to malls

[exstatic]

*They're*

But nah man most peeps from Monterrey basically just hit up the Valley. It's a long drive.

Side note; DO NOT DRIVE IN MONTERREY. The few times I've had to still wake me up at night. LOL

Wrong. That contraction stand for they are. Makes no sense in the context of describing the class of the Mexican population. Their doctor lawyer class, not they are doctor lawyer class.

[rjv]

I still go to the mall. Not often but every once in a while. I'd rather try on something and see how it looks on me than go through the trouble of trying to get something online.

[scott]

Wrong. That contraction stand for they are. Makes no sense in the context of describing the class of the Mexican population. Their doctor lawyer class, not they are doctor lawyer class.

*Thu're

[Dex]

I still go to the mall. Not often but every once in a while. I'd rather try on something and see how it looks on me than go through the trouble of trying to get something online.

Fair. My experience is either that I can't find what I like, or they don't have it in my size.

Much easier (and cheaper) to buy online and have it show up at my door, but yeah...sizes can be tricky. I guess I am part of the corporate machine putting retail out of business.

I actually still go occasionally around the holidays because it's easy to get ideas, find a lot of things at once and it's part of the holiday experience...but even then it's usually a ghost town in there.

Rolling Oaks Mall represent!!

[Ice009]

Are you guys speaking of a specific mall that you go to, or just in general? I'd always wondered how malls do in the use these days with online shopping. I assume they used to get A LOT of business back before online shopping took off? Hopefully people haven't lost too many jobs because of it, or have they? Depending on the area, do some still get a lot of traffic?

[The Truth #6]

La Cantera is the fancier mall but mostly outdoors and hot as fugg, even in a less brutal Summer, so North Star makes sense. Now, a South Cross Mall sighting would be news worthy.

[SupremeGuy]

Do not grammar nazi when you don't know what you are doing.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/their-vs-there-vs-theyre/Thought you meant "they are doctor/lawyer class." As in the class of which they belong.

[SupremeGuy]

Wrong. That contraction stand for they are. Makes no sense in the context of describing the class of the Mexican population. Their doctor lawyer class, not they are doctor lawyer class.Disagree. They are doctor/lawyer class makes sense. They belong to the class of doctors/layers.

[scott]

It's August... Fox Extension Watch has officially begun.

Can extend up to 4/$222 on Aug 3. Notably, Luka can do the same.

[CGD]

Disagree. They are doctor/lawyer class makes sense. They belong to the class of doctors/layers.

Take the L brah

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YRWFKeBSg

[baseline bum]

It's August... Fox Extension Watch has officially begun.

Can extend up to 4/$222 on Aug 3. Notably, Luka can do the same.

Bend over, I'll give you an extension to watch

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHPFkCPdUM

[Ice009]

I wish we got to see Victor and De'Aaron play more together last season. Would have been easier to decide on the extension, as in, whether or not to just max him out right away, or ask him to take a slight discount. If they played more together and the fit wasn't great, they might have been able to ask for a slight discount? I don't know, I probably should be saying this. Even with the luck of getting Dylan, we're lucky to have him and I appreciate him forcing his was to SA. Those of you that have mentioned if he takes a little less, how does that help the Spurs? Does it help them retain/re-sign Steph, Dylan if they become the players we believe they can be.

[talkspurs]

I will say I think he signs a max extension and I also think that will be an overpay. he is a good player not a great player. I think in 2-3 years we would be looking to trade him and would not get as much value out of him. He is border line All star these people should not be getting max contracts. the thing that saves us some is since he was not ours to begin with he cannot get the super max.

[exstatic]

I will say I think he signs a max extension and I also think that will be an overpay. he is a good player not a great player. I think in 2-3 years we would be looking to trade him and would not get as much value out of him. He is border line All star these people should not be getting max contracts. the thing that saves us some is since he was not ours to begin with he cannot get the super max.

He’s only been an All Star once, but he’s also made an All NBA team,which is a higher threshold. I really don’t think people understand how fucking great he’s going to be as a 1A or 2 option playing off Wemby.

I agree that he’ll be traded in 3-4 years,but not because he isn’t good enough, or doesn’t pan out. It’ll be because Castle and Harper need to be paid, and you can’t pay 4 guys in today’s NBA. They’ll find him a soft landing with a team of his choice, hopefully in the EC.

[CGD]

Thoughts on any implications of Luke extension?

[exstatic]

Thoughts on any implications of Luke extension?

LeBron is done as a Laker. Sometime between today and next July 1st, it’ll happen.

[talkspurs]

LeBron is done as a Laker. Sometime between today and next July 1st, it’ll happen.

it would have to be between now and the trade deadline.

[CGD]

Was thinking more if we thought it would impact the Fox number?

[exstatic]

it would have to be between now and the trade deadline.

Not if he walks in FA.

[exstatic]

Was thinking more if we thought it would impact the Fox number?

No, I don’t think so. I see the Spurs throwing the full bag if he sign for 4-5 years so that there won’t be any complaining if he gets traded.

[talkspurs]

Not if he walks in FA.

That would happen after July 1st then.

[exstatic]

That would happen after July 1st then.

Technically, you’re a FA ON July 1st, and no longer a member of your former team, so ‘after June 30th’ is accurate. Your contract expires at the end of the day, 30 June.

[talkspurs]

Technically, you’re a FA ON July 1st, and no longer a member of your former team, so ‘after June 30th’ is accurate. Your contract expires at the end of the day, 30 June.

He may not have a contract with the Lakers as of July 1st but he could not sign else were till afterwords.

going back to your original comment where you said he would be gone between now and July 1st. I counter with it would have to happen by the trade deadline if it was to happen as he could not be traded between the trade deadline and July 1st. You tried countering with him leaving during FA which he could but that would not satisfy your original date of July 1st. Just admit you were incorrect on your first comment instead of trying to did yourself deeper into a hole like you always do. For you posting so much on here you are constantly incorrect and can never admit when you are wrong even if it was a small miss statement.

[exstatic]

He may not have a contract with the Lakers as of July 1st but he could not sign else were till afterwords.

going back to your original comment where you said he would be gone between now and July 1st. I counter with it would have to happen by the trade deadline if it was to happen as he could not be traded between the trade deadline and July 1st. You tried countering with him leaving during FA which he could but that would not satisfy your original date of July 1st. Just admit you were incorrect on your first comment instead of trying to did yourself deeper into a hole like you always do. For you posting so much on here you are constantly incorrect and can never admit when you are wrong even if it was a small miss statement.

He can and will be done as a Laker by July 1st. When his contract runs out on 30 June, he’s done as a Laker. He doesn’t have to have a new deal in place for that to happen.

The Lakers had private meetings with Luka to which he was not invited. This is also the first time he’s opted IN to his annual 1+1 deal, because he was pretty sure if he opted out, there would be no offer from LA. They’re done with him, too.

Just take your L, bro. The bolded part means he’s no longer a Laker.

[talkspurs]

He can and will be done as a Laker by July 1st. When his contract runs out on 30 June, he’s done as a Laker. He doesn’t have to have a new deal in place for that to happen.

The Lakers had private meetings with Luka to which he was not invited. This is also the first time he’s opted IN to his annual 1+1 deal, because he was pretty sure if he opted out, there would be no offer from LA. They’re done with him, too.

Just take your L, bro. The bolded part means he’s no longer a Laker.

What have I said that has been incorrect? Your original statement was incorrect and you cannot even realize it. When someone quotes you you have to come in and argue with it.

As far as your last statement I believe he will leave also but until he does we wont know for certain. He can talk about it all he wants. There have been times where players have talked about leaving in the past and did not.

You have to be one of the worst posters on here as you post so many things that are incorrect or stated as fact when it is not.

[BatManu20]

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[LeBowen]

Fox should get the max in 26-27 and 27-28 seasons, having his and Wemby's max on the payroll will be manageable, after that we could get into salary issues if Castle develops into a rookie max extension level player.
28-29 with some discount. That summer will be a key point for the roster because Harper's extension kics in. If he lives up to the expectations, keeping both him and Fox on max deals wouldn't really make sense.

Team option would be ideal because we could re-negotiate a team friendly extension if Fox wants to keep competing. He'll be turning 32 in 2029.
If not, Spurs can just trade his expiring contract for role players.

Any talk of trading Fox before 2027 at the earliest is nonsense because right now he's clearly the second best player on the roster and you don't trade your second best player if you're trying to compete.

[spurraider21]

Fair amount of chatter he won’t be getting full max

[dn0774]

It mean anything if there isn't an announcement today? Do Spurs even do weekend press releases etc?

[scott]

I've been saying for a few months something like a 3+1/200 with max's in the first two years followed by maximum allowable declines in year 3 and 4 (player option).

I'm going to stick with this prediction.

[Mugen]

It mean anything if there isn't an announcement today? Do Spurs even do weekend press releases etc?

Doesn't mean anything tbh.

[twodeep]

I've been saying for a few months something like a 3+1/200 with max's in the first two years followed by maximum allowable declines in year 3 and 4 (player option).

I'm going to stick with this prediction.

That is probably a good guess

[Mr. Body]

I've been saying for a few months something like a 3+1/200 with max's in the first two years followed by maximum allowable declines in year 3 and 4 (player option).

I'm going to stick with this prediction.

Something like this makes sense to me. The team is clearly going to have trouble with Castle-Harper-Fox at some point in the future. I don't believe Fox is worth the max at all, that's absurd, but getting him money while we have the wiggle room is the way to go.

Fox worked his way to the Spurs and they need to acknowledge and reward that, and he's a Klutch guy, and it seems the Spurs are going in on making Klutch happy. Make Klutch happy, they'll make you happy, even if they're scummy.

[spurraider21]

obviously it would be pretty nonsensical to have concern/panic just because an extension wasnt signed within the first 24 hours of eligibility, but you'd have to think there had been all sorts of discussion/negotiation since the day he was traded leading up to yesterday. i would have expected a deal to be announced pretty quick. if anything this indicates the team is not willing to just give him the full max, in which case a deal would already have been announced

[LeBowen]

The team is clearly going to have trouble with Castle-Harper-Fox at some point in the future.

Key word: future.
I can't see Harper being better than Fox before his third, probably fourth season in the league.

We have this guy named Wemby who will probably be good enough for MVP conversations right away and he shouldn't wait for Harper/Castle to develop.
Fox isn't a legit superstar, but looking at rosters around the league, how many teams can say they have a better second option than Fox?

As of now, it's Flagg, Murray, Jimmy, FVV, Harden, Lebron, Ja, Randle, Murphy, Williams if we're talking serious teams in the West.
How many of those guys you think will have a better season than Fox?

Something disastrous would have to happen for Fox to have negative value in 2029 when Harper's extension kicks in.
As long as we can get rid of him then (if it's even going to be needed) without attaching assets, we have nothing to worry about.

[Mal]

Fox maxed out 229m/4 per Shams

[fafo]

Managing the salary cap gets a lot more interesting from here on out. Wright is good at the deals on the margins, but now those margins will have a magnifying glass under them now that rest of the roster moves from rookie contracts to extensions over the coming years.

[spurraider21]

no player option, no trade kicker

[scott]

I've been saying for a few months something like a 3+1/200 with max's in the first two years followed by maximum allowable declines in year 3 and 4 (player option).

I'm going to stick with this prediction.

So much for that

[Dverde]

He got a no trade clause for one team and it’s Sacramento :lol

[Ariel]

I was also hoping for a slightly less than the max in the last couple of years or at least a 3+1 rather than outright 4 year extension, but it was always goinig to be in the ballpark. Oh well.

On the bright side, this should help the Spurs make up their mind on moving Vassell/Keldon and not rushing on that Sochan extension. Or at least I hope so.

[Ariel]

Something like this makes sense to me. The team is clearly going to have trouble with Castle-Harper-Fox at some point in the future. I don't believe Fox is worth the max at all, that's absurd, but getting him money while we have the wiggle room is the way to go.

Fox worked his way to the Spurs and they need to acknowledge and reward that, and he's a Klutch guy, and it seems the Spurs are going in on making Klutch happy. Make Klutch happy, they'll make you happy, even if they're scummy.
Spurs were alreaedy invested in Fox and it would have been a bad look not to offer him that extension. In reality, Fox probably asked for a player option and a trade kicker, Spurs probably offered slightly less, and this was the deal both knew they could safely get. Let's hope he stays healthy as does Wemby, if things work out for the best then that "trouble" will be a nice one.

[exstatic]

Fox’s “give” to the Spurs was naming them as the only team he’d re-sign with. We got him for a ridiculously reduced asset cost. Had we not made the deal, the picks could very well have conveyed as 2 firsts and a small pile of seconds. I think someone put the odds of the Chicago pick conveying in the next two drafts at 80%. I think that’s probably high,but working with that,it was approx 2.8 FRPs.

[playbonner15]

Only upside to this contract is if and when they trade Fox, it's when Harper's and Castle's skills are on the up and hope by then that those 2 are almost at starter level...... plus I think they bring in Juan Nunez

[Mr. Body]

You know how Manu and Timmy and Pop and others come and work out at the Spurs' facility and continue to be part of the Spurs legacy going forward? That's not De'Aaron Fox. Once he gets traded or whatever, we'll never see him again. He's out there for himself and his made up NFT rug-pulls. He's not a Spurs guy, he's a mercenary who forced himself here because he knew Klutch would get him a max contract. I hope to God he doesn't loaf around and actually tries to win games -- something he wasn't actually good at with the Kings. But personality wise, I just don't see it, man. He's wearing Spurs laundry, but he's not a Spurs guy.

[Mnky]

A positive to Fox's contract is that there's more of a chance role players don't get any more than role player money going forward. Much better argument to be made to role players like Sochan when you have max salary guys on the team, you just can't afford to be doing friendly deals. Hopefully that'll trickle to the fringe starter players such as Keldon and Vassell. Team has to utilize money different when it has star players. The majority of the Spurs young guys haven't experienced that before this year.

[KDKSpurs24]

You know how Manu and Timmy and Pop and others come and work out at the Spurs' facility and continue to be part of the Spurs legacy going forward? That's not De'Aaron Fox. Once he gets traded or whatever, we'll never see him again. He's out there for himself and his made up NFT rug-pulls. He's not a Spurs guy, he's a mercenary who forced himself here because he knew Klutch would get him a max contract. I hope to God he doesn't loaf around and actually tries to win games -- something he wasn't actually good at with the Kings. But personality wise, I just don't see it, man. He's wearing Spurs laundry, but he's not a Spurs guy.
Dude…? How old are you? Read what you said again. “One he gets traded”.. I mean WHO TF would come back and hang around the facilities if they got traded? Use common sense please. Those guys didn’t get traded. If you would have said “Even if Fox finishes his career as a Spur then he still won’t come around like those guys” it would have made sense.. but even then I highly doubt it would play out like that. He would definitely come back if he finished his career in SA at this point. Hell, Tony didn’t play his whole as a Spur and he doesn’t come around as much as Tim and Manu. Yes he’s busy a lot but I’m sure he feels a bit differently than those 2. What player comes back once they are traded? LMA comes back but his situation is a bit different. It’s all circumstantial. Anyways what’s the point, I’m done with this ridiculousness for the night. The season needs to hurry up.

[cutewizard]

the lead guard

[tbdog]

Committing to 3 downhill guards. Luckily we have the best stretch 5 in the game.

[Vienna]

You know how Manu and Timmy and Pop and others come and work out at the Spurs' facility and continue to be part of the Spurs legacy going forward? That's not De'Aaron Fox. Once he gets traded or whatever, we'll never see him again. He's out there for himself and his made up NFT rug-pulls. He's not a Spurs guy, he's a mercenary who forced himself here because he knew Klutch would get him a max contract. I hope to God he doesn't loaf around and actually tries to win games -- something he wasn't actually good at with the Kings. But personality wise, I just don't see it, man. He's wearing Spurs laundry, but he's not a Spurs guy.

Jesus. did you learn all of that from Fox News?

[Dejounte]

You know how Manu and Timmy and Pop and others come and work out at the Spurs' facility and continue to be part of the Spurs legacy going forward? That's not De'Aaron Fox. Once he gets traded or whatever, we'll never see him again. He's out there for himself and his made up NFT rug-pulls. He's not a Spurs guy, he's a mercenary who forced himself here because he knew Klutch would get him a max contract. I hope to God he doesn't loaf around and actually tries to win games -- something he wasn't actually good at with the Kings. But personality wise, I just don't see it, man. He's wearing Spurs laundry, but he's not a Spurs guy.

I like how Tony was conveniently left off this post. You know, the second or third most important Spur in Timmy’s era. Is it because a lot of what he did and who he is wasn’t Spurs-like at all? Sooooo, it IS possible for a player to be both important to the Spurs and not have any Spurs quality at all. Hmmmmmm…. Maybe it’s pointless to be overcritical of Fox and his so called lack of character when Parker looms all over Spurs history.

[Spurs Homer]

You know how Manu and Timmy and Pop and others come and work out at the Spurs' facility and continue to be part of the Spurs legacy going forward? That's not De'Aaron Fox. Once he gets traded or whatever, we'll never see him again. He's out there for himself and his made up NFT rug-pulls. He's not a Spurs guy, he's a mercenary who forced himself here because he knew Klutch would get him a max contract. I hope to God he doesn't loaf around and actually tries to win games -- something he wasn't actually good at with the Kings. But personality wise, I just don't see it, man. He's wearing Spurs laundry, but he's not a Spurs guy.

c'mon man...

this is not the old age/old school/traditional sports era...

this is the age where every single professional athlete is aware that they have maybe a dozen years of income to earn to last them the rest of their lives...

loyalties/jersey retirements/old decades long rivalries/warriors laying it all out for their one and only franchise...

those days are gone.

I like fox. I like mostly all players on this spurs team right now. Many of them will be wearing different jerseys over the next few years and good for them.

Your brain/mind has stagnated and its not unheard of... it happens to a lot of folks.

[Dejounte]

Fox just posted on IG “Race for Seis” - a term not commonly known by people who aren’t die hard Spurs fans yet he’s being called out for not having any Spurs-like qualities. What a joke.

but even if it turns out that he’s not a “Spurs guy”, who the fuck cares? It’s weird to be so intolerant of people who don’t fall in line with certain ideals. Being different is ok, and people who are unapologetically themselves is actually cool. I’d rather have that than a brown nosing Spur who just repeats the company motto. Or worse, a two faced one who says all the right things but does terrible things in the background.

[scott]

Fox just posted on IG “Race for Seis” - a term not commonly known by people who aren’t die hard Spurs fans yet he’s being called out for not having any Spurs-like qualities. What a joke.

but even if it turns out that he’s not a “Spurs guy”, who the fuck cares? It’s weird to be so intolerant of people who don’t fall in line with certain ideals. Being different is ok, and people who are unapologetically themselves is actually cool. I’d rather have that than a brown nosing Spur who just repeats the company motto. Or worse, a two faced one who says all the right things but does terrible things in the background.

Non-Spur De'Aaron Fox was at the summer league games, rooting on the new rookies, and was at a lot of games last season in street clothes, when he didn't have to be. By all reports, he was liked by the team and the community in SAC right up until such time he got sick of losing. In fact, Kings fans weren't even that mad at him for wanting to leave, it's only when he tanked his value (and SAC's return on the deal) that Kings fans turned on him.

I guess if you can't find any real reasons to hate Fox, you have to turn to imaginary ones.

[baseline bum]

You know how Manu and Timmy and Pop and others come and work out at the Spurs' facility and continue to be part of the Spurs legacy going forward? That's not De'Aaron Fox. Once he gets traded or whatever, we'll never see him again. He's out there for himself and his made up NFT rug-pulls. He's not a Spurs guy, he's a mercenary who forced himself here because he knew Klutch would get him a max contract. I hope to God he doesn't loaf around and actually tries to win games -- something he wasn't actually good at with the Kings. But personality wise, I just don't see it, man. He's wearing Spurs laundry, but he's not a Spurs guy.

He would have gotten a max contract in Houston, Miami, or wherever else he would have tried to get traded to also. If he just wanted a max contract he could have stayed in Sacramento.

[playbonner15]

Fox just posted on IG “Race for Seis” - a term not commonly known by people who aren’t die hard Spurs fans yet he’s being called out for not having any Spurs-like qualities. What a joke.

but even if it turns out that he’s not a “Spurs guy”, who the fuck cares? It’s weird to be so intolerant of people who don’t fall in line with certain ideals. Being different is ok, and people who are unapologetically themselves is actually cool. I’d rather have that than a brown nosing Spur who just repeats the company motto. Or worse, a two faced one who says all the right things but does terrible things in the background.

I guess it helps that his wife is from San Antonio

[Ice009]

On the Deep 3 podcast last season towards the end of the season, he also brought up that he's keeping a close eye on Atlanta's finish to the season (he didn't want them to do well) as he mentioned to the host of the show that the Spurs have their draft pick. He is really clued in to what is going on with the Spurs. That does not sound to me like someone that isn't a Spurs guy. Other guys on the roster that have been there longer might not have even know that, or follow that kind of off the court stuff that closely. De'Aaron knew all that and probably more. He was probably one of the happiest guys when the Spurs got the number 2 pick. I doubt he was looking at it like this is a guy that can take my spot.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3YuS59bLYo

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im586JaZzrY

[tbdog]

He is probably the best downhill pg in the league. Harper is also a downhill point guard.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud-86hjfgFA

[cutewizard]

Foxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx will rule

[timtonymanu]

Mr. Body loves scrubs like Primo and Branham. I don't take that boomer loser seriously most of the time :lol.

[Sugus]

I guess it helps that his wife is from San Antonio

This is a much bigger factor than people believe, tbh. There's a personal and mental factor to the game behind the on-court stuff.

Recee Fox grew up in San Antonio, played professional basketball in Texas her whole life. Family, friends, social circles all closely tied to San Antonio and naturally to the Spurs, being the only major-league franchise on the city. She's by all accounts a very vocal and present influence in De'Aaron's life -- I loved that video of her arguing with Malik Monk after the Kings game; it showed she cares about shit. She's no NBA trophy wife bimbo.

And then she goes and marries an NBA player, who then happened to have the possibility to be traded.... And they continuously pushed for San Antonio, helping make it a reality. Now they're home -- with everything that comes with it: the expectations, the family and friends at the games watching her husband play, the desire to leave a mark in the history of the city.

I couldn't think of a better person to be around Fox than his wife, really. Where the "cards" seemed to be stacked against us during the Nephew saga, with a close family member who despised small-market SA and wanted the big lights and "opportunities" of LA, now the cards seem to be working entirely in our favor with Fox.

I'm expecting a career season out of him next year.

[NASpurs]

Wait, I remember reading his wife didn't want come back to San Antonio but he put his foot down and vetoed her ass.

[Leetonidas]

Wait, I remember reading his wife didn't want come back to San Antonio but he put his foot down and vetoed her ass.

Coulda swore I heard the same thing, she didn't want to be around her parents constantly:lol

[Ice009]

lol. I was going to post the exact same thing, but I wasn't sure if I was remembering right (where she said she didn't want to come back - can't remember the exact reasons, though), but now that you guys said it too, then that confirms it. Was it De'Aaron or her family that lives in Houston? I think I remember De'Aaron mentioning Houston, but can't remember if he's from there or his wife. I'm guessing she didn't want the distractions of being around family, but I am glad D-Fox didn't listen to her unlike JKidd and his wife. I think this will work out great for De'Aaron and the Spurs IMO. I believe he made the right choice.

[LeBowen]

I'm expecting a career season out of him next year.

For some reason the entire NBA media space is way too low on Fox.
From 2021 to 20224 he averaged 25/4/6 on 48/36/75 with 1.5 steals. High volume 3pts at 5.7 attempts.
264 game sample.

27.4/5.4/7.7 on 42/33/76 with 2.1 steals in his only playoff series against the Warriors.

Clutch player of the year for a reason, he's a very good performer when it matters the most.
Not a first option superstar, very few point guards are, but a lot of the criticism is unfair because he played for a garbage franchise with dysfunctional rosters.

He's arguably the best point guard paint penetrator in the league and his running mate was Sabonis who has no range.
Fox and Wemby are as complementary as it gets if we're talking PG/C duos.

His 3pt is fine, it becomes an issue when the rest of the roster has poor spacing, but if he shot 37-40% on such high volume, he'd be a parennial MVP candidate.

[Ice009]

I think it's because he played for the Kings. I think with the Spurs, and especially with the Spurs rising up, he'll get a lot more praise if he's a big part of it. I just don't think people care about the Kings at all anymore. They've been bad for a long time and the days of C-Webb, Peja, Divac, Bobby Jackson and so on are so long ago, people still remember them as the Kings from before and after that period.

[Sugus]

For some reason the entire NBA media space is way too low on Fox.
From 2021 to 20224 he averaged 25/4/6 on 48/36/75 with 1.5 steals. High volume 3pts at 5.7 attempts.
264 game sample.

27.4/5.4/7.7 on 42/33/76 with 2.1 steals in his only playoff series against the Warriors.

Clutch player of the year for a reason, he's a very good performer when it matters the most.
Not a first option superstar, very few point guards are, but a lot of the criticism is unfair because he played for a garbage franchise with dysfunctional rosters.

He's arguably the best point guard paint penetrator in the league and his running mate was Sabonis who has no range.
Fox and Wemby are as complementary as it gets if we're talking PG/C duos.

His 3pt is fine, it becomes an issue when the rest of the roster has poor spacing, but if he shot 37-40% on such high volume, he'd be a parennial MVP candidate.

Yeah, the discourse has been weird. I get that the new CBA is scary and the contract is big, but IDK what people were expecting an All-Star player to go for... Like this is exactly what you use the cap space for.

I'm incredibly excited about his closing abilities, considering the embarrassing amount of games the Spurs have failed to close out during the last 4-5 seasons. Literally could be up for 3.5 quarters then shit the bed and go cold in the 4th. Having someone who specializes in clutch situations, a PG at that, is a sight for sore eyes.

As for shooting, I'm guessing it'll depend on how the surgery went -- I didn't hear anything about the recovery, but I'm slightly concerned because people sometimes lose tendon mobility or extension range after corrective surgery, which could affect the shooting motion... So I'm cautiously waiting for training camp or some official word on his hand. Hope it's just a passing concern of mine.

[Sugus]

Wait, I remember reading his wife didn't want come back to San Antonio but he put his foot down and vetoed her ass.

Damn, seriously? I hadn't heard that report.

I guess Texas isn't really the best place for a woman to be this days, from the stuff I've been hearing?