The Broken Friendship Locket of De’Aaron “Down in a Hole” Fox

[vy65]

Discuss

[scott]

Glad you got this one in, vy! Was just coming to post this to "locket" in

[benefactor]

Strength and honor

[tonight...you]

I can dig this. A little Alice In Chains is always good in any and everything.

[gilmor]

Is this Layne Stanley's Down in a hole?... If it is, goddamn cool..

[scott]

How did SAC not get its swap back?!? Did Nico Harrison take over as GM this morning?

[slick'81]

Put that locket in my fxkn pocket

[Fizziksman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi04zNtXgAAndce?format=jpg&name=large

[slick'81]

How did SAC not get its swap back?!? Did Nico Harrison take over as GM this morning?


Our mouth breather wright finagled his ass

[vy65]

Glad you got this one in, vy! Was just coming to post this to "locket" in

I lost my 20131 meme, so you bet your sweet ass I had to come back with that fire the streets expect of me

[scott]

Tidbit from ESPN's grades on the trade (Spurs get an A-)


Over the last three seasons, Fox has been among the NBA's most dangerous pick-and-roll scorers. He ranks eighth among the 80 players with at least 500 attempts during that span by shooting an effective 54% in pick-and-roll situations, per Second Spectrum tracking. Opponents won't want to switch Fox-Wembanyama pick-and-rolls, giving both players' advantages over their defenders, and traditional coverages will likely give Fox an avenue to either score or find his big man.

[baseline bum]

Tidbit from ESPN's grades on the trade (Spurs get an A-)


LOL at the minus. Spurs traded a quarter, a dime, a nickel, and five hay pennies for a dollar.

[slick'81]

LOL at the minus. Spurs traded a quarter, a dime, a nickel, and five hay pennies for a dollar.

Espn bitter

[BatManu20]

Welcome home King.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GiupQBFWEAA6epk?format=jpg&name=medium

[tim_duncan_fan]

Guys, the church thread titles are supposed to be places. What are we doing here? Lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

Oooh what number is Swipa wearing?

[objective]

Best title:

The Crypto Scam Rug Pull of FOX TUAH

[Rosewood]

Down in a Hole is what Mavs fans are feeling rn. (AIC is awesome and underrated)

Excited to see if this pairing works. We gave up a third string PG, the worst basketball player alive and all our worst picks for him so even if it doesn’t oh well.

Shows Wemby we’ll try to get him star talent too.

[BatManu20]

Oooh what number is Swipa wearing?

Not that it means anything but most the edits I've seen have him wearing #8. Might roll with that unless Keldon gets traded before the deadline and he can snag that #0.

[tesseractive]

LOL at the minus. Spurs traded a quarter, a dime, a nickel, and five hay pennies for a dollar.

Got downgraded after the Lakers broke the fucking curve.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/FZB70iQGwhQ?si=QRed75Egn_iyRD0o

[Em-City]

Play-in, here we come!

[Raven]

LOVE THIS

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/kn5sDHxS7bM?si=_Myqf3tGAyU3XhBH

[RC_Drunkford]

We are bottom 5 in drives. Fox is one of the best paint scorers, so he will give us points in the paint and he gets to the line a lot. Meaning our main weaknesses offensively (aside from 3-point shooting) should just turn into strengths. Additionally Fox getting into the paint should generate a ton of open shots for players like Devin, Champagnie, Barnes and Keldon. So one should think our 3-point shooting numbers should go up as well. We replaced Tre with Fox who's at least a decent shooter, which basically increases our shooting as well.

[TrainOfThought5]

Best title:

The Crypto Scam Rug Pull of FOX TUAH

make the thread you coward!

[objective]

make the thread you coward!

Wasn't fast enough, I can accept that

[cutewizard]

I wonder what Fox will choose as jersey number

[LeBowen]

Fox has UA signature shoe.

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,w_2048,h_1152,x_0,y_54/c_fill,w_1200,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/images/voltaxMediaLibrary/mmsport/kicks/01jd2ks3b0t4awx6wr58.jpg


Fiesta colorways incoming!

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/gyRRHWL9yNg?si=hbYNmZ1HogXAxFyQ

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/JeiHNLZpSu8?si=KNPISC9KeP5lGIkk

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/uLBUsrHqATo?si=bWhhvNBH23C538X4

[NASpurs]

DFndhvExIYJ

[CorrectCrusader]

Best title:

The Crypto Scam Rug Pull of FOX TUAH

My God that is just amazing

[CorrectCrusader]

Fox has UA signature shoe.

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,w_2048,h_1152,x_0,y_54/c_fill,w_1200,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/images/voltaxMediaLibrary/mmsport/kicks/01jd2ks3b0t4awx6wr58.jpg


Fiesta colorways incoming!

Those are ugly asf wtf

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBdFA6sI6-8

[Dex]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi04zNtXgAAndce?format=jpg&name=large

This is amazing :lmao

[thiste]

How often do you get an All Star, All NBA, consensus top 25 player who makes it clear he wants to join your team specifically, which allows you to low ball his team ; whose skills complement your current star's extremely well ; who comes from your state & whose wife comes from your city?
Sure, Fox isn't perfect by any means. But does anyone think we could have found a better fit for anything close to what we gave up?

I don't think so.

So now it is our collective job to make sure that was the best decision he ever took in his professional life.

[CorrectCrusader]

How often do you get an All Star, All NBA, consensus top 25 player who makes it clear he wants to join your team specifically, which allows you to low ball his team ; whose skills complement your current star's extremely well ; who comes from your state & whose wife comes from your city?
Sure, Fox isn't perfect by any means. But does anyone think we could have found a better fit for anything close to what we gave up?

I don't think so.

So now it is our collective job to make sure that was the best decision he ever took in his professional life.

Apparently 2 times in 2 years, which isn't much but it's weird it happened twice

[scott]

Fox has UA signature shoe.

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,w_2048,h_1152,x_0,y_54/c_fill,w_1200,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/images/voltaxMediaLibrary/mmsport/kicks/01jd2ks3b0t4awx6wr58.jpg


Fiesta colorways incoming!

Have never owned a UA shoe, but I might need to if a Fiesta colorway drops. The DJM NB TwoWays were fire, not the most comfortable shoe, but I always get comments when I rock them

[scott]

Video of Fox talking about Wemby from last season here: https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/1igrk5a/deaaron_foxs_thoughts_on_wemby_from_his_rookie/

Sorry, don't know how to get the video address of Reddit videos.

Fox is very articulate, and all the reports are that he is a great dude. I think he's going to be a perfect Spur.

[RC_Drunkford]

The dope thing about him is that he’s super competitive and clutch. This guy has made so many game winning/tying shots, it’s unreal. You can easily pull up long compilations of clutch plays by Fox. We are used to having clutch players, not chokers. Feels good to get back to our roots.

[scott]

The dope thing about him is that he’s super competitive and clutch. This guy has made so many game winning/tying shots, it’s unreal. You can easily pull up long compilations of clutch plays by Fox. We are used to having clutch players, not chokers. Feels good to get back to our roots.

He literally won Clutch Player of the Year award the first year it was created

[RC_Drunkford]

He literally won Clutch Player of the Year award the first year it was created

I know, but he had some crazy clutch plays before too

[scott]

Some stats I'm watching from here on out.

As of today we are 23rd in the league in steals/game at 7.6. I think that will improve. CP3, and Fox are high end steal generation guys, Vassell has really picked up his game in this area as of late as well. Sochan and Castle should be able to generate steals, and Wemby does as well.

As of today, Fox is shooting .322 from 3. I think that will improve considerably.

Likewise, as of today, Devin is shooting 36.0% from 3. I also expect this to improve.

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7tWJCAWWAY

This is actually hillarious. :lol

[spursparker9]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi04zNtXgAAndce?format=jpg&name=large


Alien should shoot a death beam at Vassell tbh

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/bhToEw8Fxb4?si=_rDv20XKNkZfumIT

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/xmdqKJcHK6U?si=GGadyWAwZCzXk7to

[ffadicted]

https://youtu.be/zldJwRzoEHw?si=epuUdp0H6kZn2O0k

[Trueblood]

I don’t dislike the title to the thread, but I think we missed an opportunity. I would have gone something like “The Unpacked Backpack of Swiper the Fox”

[dbestpro]

But we could have had Dillingham.

[scott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7tWJCAWWAY

This is actually hillarious. :lol

This was awesome. I can already tell Fox is going to be my favorite player

[Leetonidas]

Already ordered my Fox jersey

[scott]

Already ordered my Fox jersey

Which one did you go for? I would get one in a heartbeat if we still had the black fiesta or even one of our past alternates... but our current alternate and city edition are so ass I'll never buy one.

[LeBowen]

Which one did you go for? I would get one in a heartbeat if we still had the black fiesta or even one of our past alternates... but our current alternate and city edition are so ass I'll never buy one.

I don't understand why do we still have identical black and white uniforms, just with inverted colors.
With that SATX Jordan black alternate, makes no sense.
If it was up to me, It should be white/black/silver/fiesta as 4 unis.

I'd keep white the same, bring back 22-23 San Antonio classic black uni, invert SATX colors so it's silver and have teal fiesta as the fourth option.

[scott]

I don't understand why do we still have identical black and white uniforms, just with inverted colors.
With that SATX Jordan black alternate, makes no sense.
If it was up to me, It should be white/black/silver/fiesta as 4 unis.

I'd keep white the same, bring back 22-23 San Antonio classic black uni, invert SATX colors so it's silver and have teal fiesta as the fourth option.

I'd want our Black Fiesta to be a full time alt in place of that stupid fucking SATX that looks like it was literally designed by Peter Holt's 7 year old nephew learning to us MS Paint for the first time. Then for city I'd go with something new and fresh. I liked our old alt that had the giant Spur on the front (but not the one with the sleeves for god's sake), but there are plenty of folks who design mock ups that do a better job than our team. This guy on Twitter does a new mock up after every win and the vast majority of designs that probably take him 15 minutes are better than our stuff

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[LeBowen]

I'd want our Black Fiesta to be a full time alt in place of that stupid fucking SATX that looks like it was literally designed by Peter Holt's 7 year old nephew learning to us MS Paint for the first time. Then for city I'd go with something new and fresh. I liked our old alt that had the giant Spur on the front (but not the one with the sleeves for god's sake), but there are plenty of folks who design mock ups that do a better job than our team. This guy on Twitter does a new mock up after every win and the vast majority of designs that probably take him 15 minutes are better than our stuff

1872925017304142243

https://cdn.nba.com/teams/uploads/sites/1610612759/2022/07/2223_SAS_ClassicEditionLaunch_AppCard_1160x700.jpg

I'd permanently keep these as the only black uniforms, my favorite one since the league switched back to Nike.
Clean and diamond shorts look sick.

[scott]

https://cdn.nba.com/teams/uploads/sites/1610612759/2022/07/2223_SAS_ClassicEditionLaunch_AppCard_1160x700.jpg

I'd permanently keep these as the only black uniforms, my favorite one since the league switched back to Nike.
Clean and diamond shorts look sick.

I'd definitely love if we rocked that as our Road Uniform, but I'd still want the Black Fiesta. Someone did a mock up of a White Fiesta (that was the same design as the Black Fiesta, not the white fiesta we ultimately went with) that I'd be fine with as well

[RC_Drunkford]

Should bring the 2017 black on black jerseys back

https://content.sportslogos.net/news/2015/10/Spurs-jersey-5.png

[Leetonidas]

Which one did you go for? I would get one in a heartbeat if we still had the black fiesta or even one of our past alternates... but our current alternate and city edition are so ass I'll never buy one.

I'm weird and actually like the SATX ones, mostly because of the side graphic, so I got one of those

[Leetonidas]

Should bring the 2017 black on black jerseys back

https://content.sportslogos.net/news/2015/10/Spurs-jersey-5.png

Yep or the grey ones, those were nice.

The black fiesta unis from 2020 were easily the best we've had and it's too bad we'll never use them again

[Leetonidas]

https://cdn.nba.com/teams/uploads/sites/1610612759/2022/07/2223_SAS_ClassicEditionLaunch_AppCard_1160x700.jpg

I'd permanently keep these as the only black uniforms, my favorite one since the league switched back to Nike.
Clean and diamond shorts look sick.

These were also really nice. Best alternates we've had next to the black fiesta unis

[scott]

Did get a Fox intro press conference? A Brian Wright press conference? I imagine Fox (and JMac, no disrespect intended there) is on a plane to ATL by now... maybe the intro press conference will just be tomorrow's pre-game presser and I'd expect a Brian Wright press conference maybe after the deadline is officially passed.

[scott]

He's already part of la cultura. One of us.

https://i.redd.it/47pml81y71he1.jpeg
https://preview.redd.it/iykyk-welcome-to-sa-deaaron-v0-47pml81y71he1.jpeg?auto=webp&1954f6c3

[vy65]

I'd want our Black Fiesta to be a full time alt in place of that stupid fucking SATX that looks like it was literally designed by Peter Holt's 7 year old nephew learning to us MS Paint for the first time. Then for city I'd go with something new and fresh. I liked our old alt that had the giant Spur on the front (but not the one with the sleeves for god's sake), but there are plenty of folks who design mock ups that do a better job than our team. This guy on Twitter does a new mock up after every win and the vast majority of designs that probably take him 15 minutes are better than our stuff

1872925017304142243

That black jersey is clean as hell

[Leetonidas]

He's already part of la cultura. One of us.

https://i.redd.it/47pml81y71he1.jpeg
https://preview.redd.it/iykyk-welcome-to-sa-deaaron-v0-47pml81y71he1.jpeg?auto=webp&1954f6c3

Damn his wife has some nice tiddies :wow

[RC_Drunkford]

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[scott]

Damn his wife has some nice tiddies :wow

C'mon man....

[scott]

First Fox sighting with the new team. Honoring his teammate for the next 48 hours (or longer)

https://i.redd.it/ozgjy01209he1.jpeg

[vy65]

THE. POWER. OF. FRIENDSHIP. OVERCOMES. ALL.

TPOFOA

Which (almost) is an anagram of: PATFO.

COINCIDENCE??????

[spurraider21]

That black jersey is clean as hell
well it hasnt been worn yet

[vy65]

well it hasnt been worn yet

0/10. You’re better than that.

[heyheymymy]

https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/swiper-the-fox.jpg

[Ocotillo]

First Fox sighting with the new team. Honoring his teammate for the next 48 hours (or longer)

https://i.redd.it/ozgjy01209he1.jpeg

Heh, at first glance I thought the t-shirt said "Dump Vassell"

[BatManu20]

1887159449028022591

[RC_Drunkford]

1887175434887995641

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[sananspursfan21]

He won’t fix everything, but I’ll be dipped if they don’t make a play-in run now. I don’t see why he can’t help us rip off a 7-3 for the next 10

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4sm752Fdw

[Seventyniner]

Fox's wife didn't want to come to Texas. Evidently where she wanted to live wasn't a consideration in Fox's decision to ask out.

[benefactor]

Fox's wife didn't want to come to Texas. Evidently where she wanted to live wasn't a consideration in Fox's decision to ask out.
It's understandable. People like to work under the assumption that because she was from here she wanted to be here but the opposite could very well be the case. She could have been happy to get out of the place she grew up.

And basketball wives never want to come to San Antonio. They want to head to big markets where they can be big market basketball players wives.

[NASpurs]

Fox's wife didn't want to come to Texas. Evidently where she wanted to live wasn't a consideration in Fox's decision to ask out.

Based as fuck.

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuu4fZRPleE

[BatManu20]

kfA8_G68t-0?si=kcyz5LqtIFfAzyCg

[Frenchfred]

What is he eligible for at the end of 2026? Can he pretend to the max 5 years/296 millions?

[objective]

His wife is from San Antonio? Time for a new title!

The Curiously Never Busy Fred's Fish Fry of De'Aaron Fox ... (and when you come in to order something the lady gives you a bad look and it takes 20 minutes)

[spurraider21]

What is he eligible for at the end of 2026? Can he pretend to the max 5 years/296 millions?
heres the basic breakdown of max contracts

0–6 years: Players can earn 25% of the salary cap
7–9 years: Players can earn 30% of the salary cap
10 or more years: Players can earn 35% of the salary cap

when you hear "supermax"... that more or less means that players in that second tier can get a bump and go directly to the 35% figure instead of being bound by 30%.

Fox will be an 8 year player at the end of this year. when his contract expires at the end of 2026, he will only be eligible for the 30% figure (he's not supermax eligible). what seems more likely is he will sign a shorter term deal like a 3 year deal with the last year being a player option, with the intention of opting out and then signing a 35% contract (assuming he plays to those standards)

for reference, this offseason, the expected max contract at 30% would be 5/269, while the expected max contract at 35% would be 5/314

[scott]

Legit kind of excited about the idea of Blake being around Fox and trying to model his game after him.

[thiste]

The other thing I haven't seen people talk about a lot is the whole burden of the team is on Wemby's shoulders night in & night out, and this is very taxing he's still very young. He has talked about it as well, saying it's harder mentally than it is physically. The presence of Fox is a lot of that burden lifted off of him that he doesn't have to be the guy every single game now.
Timmy had Tony & Manu who could take over a game on any day of the week. Until today we only had Victor.

[CGD]

Wasnt he supposed to take number 2? Someone smokes that intel

[LeBowen]

Wasnt he supposed to take number 2? Someone smokes that intel

Pop called and told him it's against our values.

[cutewizard]

guys listen

in our sixth title

FOX SHALL BE THE FINALS MVP!

you all heard it from me first

[z0sa]

He's him

[scott]

Just wondering if all the people who said "FoX iSnT eVeN tHaT gOoD" and "We ShOuLd JuSt WaIt UnTiL hE iS a FrEe AgEnT" are going to publicly admit they were wrong, or do we need to pull receipts?

You know who you are.

[slick'81]

Just wondering if all the people who said "FoX iSnT eVeN tHaT gOoD" and "We ShOuLd JuSt WaIt UnTiL hE iS a FrEe AgEnT" are going to publicly admit they were wrong, or do we need to pull receipts?

You know who you are.


idiots :rollin

[cutewizard]

articulate
charming
intelligent

welcome to the Spurs De'Aaron Fox, the Quicksilver!

[vy65]

This dude is fucking awesome. And we got him for peanuts.

[Frenchfred]

heres the basic breakdown of max contracts

0–6 years: Players can earn 25% of the salary cap
7–9 years: Players can earn 30% of the salary cap
10 or more years: Players can earn 35% of the salary cap

when you hear "supermax"... that more or less means that players in that second tier can get a bump and go directly to the 35% figure instead of being bound by 30%.

Fox will be an 8 year player at the end of this year. when his contract expires at the end of 2026, he will only be eligible for the 30% figure (he's not supermax eligible). what seems more likely is he will sign a shorter term deal like a 3 year deal with the last year being a player option, with the intention of opting out and then signing a 35% contract (assuming he plays to those standards)

for reference, this offseason, the expected max contract at 30% would be 5/269, while the expected max contract at 35% would be 5/314

Fox is a good player but man eating up 30% of salary cap, that'll leave little room when Wemby's contract will also eat another 25% and we need to sign Castle the following year.

[100%duncan]

Fox is a good player but man eating up 30% of salary cap, that'll leave little room when Wemby's contract will also eat another 25% and we need to sign Castle the following year.

There's no "but"s. Any player in Fox's caliber/level is going to demand the max.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nirvana > AiC

But AiC are damn good

[gilmor2002]

Nirvana > AiC

But AiC are damn good

Without Kurt and Layne; mediocre rock bands at most.

[vy65]

Nirvana > AiC

But AiC are damn good

That’s just false. I do love Nirvana, but Layne>>Kurt

[vy65]

Without Kurt and Layne; mediocre rock bands at most.

Jerry Cantrell says fuck you

[gilmor2002]

Jerry Cantrell says fuck you

I like Cantrell a lot.. esp his solo riffs.. but Layne owns that mystical voice of AIC

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That’s just false. I do love Nirvana, but Layne>>Kurt

Nah, In Utero and Nevermind clear AIC’s entire catalogue. I’d also take nirvana’s unplugged too, much more memorable although AIC’s was obviously good too.

AiC sound a lot more dated today than Nirvana but I do enjoy AiC a lot

[Blackjack]

Nirvana > AiC

But AiC are damn good

Blasphemy.

[vy65]

Nah, In Utero and Nevermind clear AIC’s entire catalogue. I’d also take nirvana’s unplugged too, much more memorable although AIC’s was obviously good too.

AiC sound a lot more dated today than Nirvana but I do enjoy AiC a lot

Man, I think reasonable minds can differ on the studio albums, but AIC unplugged blows Nirvana out of the water. And I say that while the Where Did You Sleep Last Night cover is in my top 10 favorite songs.

[scott]

Shut the fuck up and put on some BTBAM, losers

[DAF86]

Get with the times motherfuckers. Listen to this:

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[Amuseddaysleeper]

Man, I think reasonable minds can differ on the studio albums, but AIC unplugged blows Nirvana out of the water. And I say that while the Where Did You Sleep Last Night cover is in my top 10 favorite songs.

That is a bit ridiculous to say the least. The nirvana one is the gold standard, just far better songs. Better variety too, AIC unplugged is incredibly Moany. AiC were better at their instruments but nirvana had the much better songs

[RC_Drunkford]

heres the basic breakdown of max contracts

0–6 years: Players can earn 25% of the salary cap
7–9 years: Players can earn 30% of the salary cap
10 or more years: Players can earn 35% of the salary cap

when you hear "supermax"... that more or less means that players in that second tier can get a bump and go directly to the 35% figure instead of being bound by 30%.

Fox will be an 8 year player at the end of this year. when his contract expires at the end of 2026, he will only be eligible for the 30% figure (he's not supermax eligible). what seems more likely is he will sign a shorter term deal like a 3 year deal with the last year being a player option, with the intention of opting out and then signing a 35% contract (assuming he plays to those standards)

for reference, this offseason, the expected max contract at 30% would be 5/269, while the expected max contract at 35% would be 5/314

I think it's more likely they do the Lauri and renegotiate the contract while extending him. They could be able to save a bit of cap space down the line with that move.


According to ESPN's Bobby Marks, Fox is permitted to renegotiate his salary from $37.1 million to $46.4 million six months after the trade. He is also able to sign a four-year, $229 million extension which would kick in ahead of the 2026-27 season.

[cutewizard]

Fox is a demigod

What artistry..,..,..

[Obstructed_View]

Nah, In Utero and Nevermind clear AIC’s entire catalogue. I’d also take nirvana’s unplugged too, much more memorable although AIC’s was obviously good too.

AiC sound a lot more dated today than Nirvana but I do enjoy AiC a lot
Nirvana is overrated bubblegum trash. They are the worst of the Seattle bands.

[Obstructed_View]

So with that out of the way, it looks like the rest of the league may have a problem. If we could get dumbfuck to run the lineups that work, the Spurs may end up going on a run. Everyone tried to give this game away and the superstar talent wouldn't let it happen.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Nirvana > AiC

But AiC are damn good
Hell naw. AIC rules.
Nirvana's like the least talented of the big 4.
I do like their work but no way does that group compare to Pearl Jam, AIC and Soundgarden's best work.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/XILJNn6PNdE?si=fGznUFKMibdVVrmx

[100%duncan]

So with that out of the way, it looks like the rest of the league may have a problem. If we could get dumbfuck to run the lineups that work, the Spurs may end up going on a run. Everyone tried to give this game away and the superstar talent wouldn't let it happen.

Felt fucking good for Wemby to have a so-so first half, then we're up by double digits. Then Fox had a so-so 2nd half, only for Wemby to take it home. Honestly, I took this shit for granted with the Big 3, Big 3-Kawhi and heck, even Kawhi-LMAo era.

[TheBallsbreakers]

That is a bit ridiculous to say the least. The nirvana one is the gold standard, just far better songs. Better variety too, AIC unplugged is incredibly Moany. AiC were better at their instruments but nirvana had the much better songs
AIC (with Layne) is superior to Nirvana.
I get the popular appeal, but they were more like a band that was in the right place at the right fucking time.
I give them credit for opening the floodgates to that era, but there are a ton of artists with more dynamic, complex and profound output than them, from that time and place.

Just a matter of opinion, of course. But Nirvana's at the bottom tier of my favorite groups from that period. Heck, I'd put Mudhoney and Tad over them.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/YE3QTJ3bxBQ?si=te8rif0vsn95MPUn

[cutewizard]

Though Fox has the backcourt skills comparable to Parker

I think his charisma echoes that of Manu......

Ginobilllllllll!

[cutewizard]

Fox can go to any tv network and can slot in to any analyst job, haha

Better than those ESPN faggots

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nirvana is overrated bubblegum trash. They are the worst of the Seattle bands.

Imagine thinking In Utero is bubble gum trash while the other bands sound like hair metal at times
:lmao

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Fox is a good player but man eating up 30% of salary cap, that'll leave little room when Wemby's contract will also eat another 25% and we need to sign Castle the following year.

Wemby will likely qualify for the Rose max so he’ll get 30%, not 25%, on his second contract.

[BatManu20]

1887598845389119537

[Ice009]

Man, even though the Spurs didn't make any more trades, really happy with the trade deadline. I'm really, really glad the Spurs got De'Aaron on the team. Seems like a great guy and great player.

[MannyIsGod]

Nirvana is far better than AiC and anyone who says differently is just a hipster trying to go against the non obvious answer but we're here to talk about our savior Fox.

[Spurminator]

Nirvana is far better than AiC and anyone who says differently is just a hipster trying to go against the non obvious answer but we're here to talk about our savior Fox.

Nirvana is by far the more hipster choice. :lol

Alice in Chains has a wide appeal, I know people who think 80's butt metal was the best era of rock, and hate all 90's music except Alice in Chains.

You could also argue they spawned some of the absolute worst years of rock when bands like Godsmack, Nickelback, and Puddle of Mudd were all over the radio copping their style.

I like both bands and I would rank their albums as follows. Post-Staley AIC albums excluded because I'm really not that familiar with them.

Dirt
Nevermind
In Utero
Jar of Flies
Alice in Chains
Facelift
Bleach
Incesticide
Nirvana: Unplugged (unpopular choice here, but I've just never gotten into this album as much as other people.)
Sap EP

But yeah great first game for Fox.

[spurraider21]

Nirvana is by far the more hipster choice. :lol

Alice in Chains has a wide appeal, I know people who think 80's butt metal was the best era of rock, and hate all 90's music except Alice in Chains.

You could also argue they spawned some of the absolute worst years of rock when bands like Godsmack, Nickelback, and Puddle of Mudd were all over the radio copping their style.

I like both bands and I would rank their albums as follows. Post-Staley AIC albums excluded because I'm really not that familiar with them.

Dirt
Nevermind
In Utero
Jar of Flies
Alice in Chains
Facelift
Bleach
Incesticide
Nirvana: Unplugged (unpopular choice here, but I've just never gotten into this album as much as other people.)
Sap EP

But yeah great first game for Fox.
i definitely would have thought aic is the more "hipster" take as imo nirvana is blasted over the radio more than aic, at least from what i remember back when i used to listen to radio when driving to school/work. and nevermind is one of the best selling albums of all time. everybody recognizes the naked baby.

then again i didnt live thru 80's. im a millenial with a boomer's taste in music. so i cant really speak to how they were perceived in their time

[Ice009]

Never really listed to grunge at all during it's peak, but I am way more open minded these days musically. I'll have to listen to some of those albums you guys have listed and give them a chance to see if I like them or not. I've heard some songs from the above listed albums watching reaction videos the past few years and I did like the few songs of AIC and Nirvana that I have heard.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nirvana is far better than AiC and anyone who says differently is just a hipster trying to go against the non obvious answer but we're here to talk about our savior Fox.

Fucking preach

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Never really listed to grunge at all during it's peak, but I am way more open minded these days musically. I'll have to listen to some of those albums you guys have listed and give them a chance to see if I like them or not. I've heard some songs from the above listed albums watching reaction videos the past few years and I did like the few songs of AIC and Nirvana that I have heard.

Start with Nevermind by Nirvana and Dirt by Alice in Chains. :bobo

[Leetonidas]

Kurt Cobain is the Joel Embiid to Layne Staley's Nikola Jokic

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nirvana is by far the more hipster choice. :lol

Alice in Chains has a wide appeal, I know people who think 80's butt metal was the best era of rock, and hate all 90's music except Alice in Chains.

You could also argue they spawned some of the absolute worst years of rock when bands like Godsmack, Nickelback, and Puddle of Mudd were all over the radio copping their style.

I like both bands and I would rank their albums as follows. Post-Staley AIC albums excluded because I'm really not that familiar with them.

Dirt
Nevermind
In Utero
Jar of Flies
Alice in Chains
Facelift
Bleach
Incesticide
Nirvana: Unplugged (unpopular choice here, but I've just never gotten into this album as much as other people.)
Sap EP

But yeah great first game for Fox.

People who think 80's hair metal was good have shit taste. Your ranking isn't terrible although Nirvana unplugged should be way higher. I'd also take Nevermind and In utero well ahead of Dirt but to each their own!

[all blacks]

With all the lights going out to #4, I don't know if I talk enough about the last play .. not only does it improve his teammates. It also seems that it reaches the coach. The last play was key and it was designed so that Victor could finish them off with a dunk. It just missed. But it was there.

[Spurminator]

i definitely would have thought aic is the more "hipster" take as imo nirvana is blasted over the radio more than aic, at least from what i remember back when i used to listen to radio when driving to school/work. and nevermind is one of the best selling albums of all time. everybody recognizes the naked baby.

then again i didnt live thru 80's. im a millenial with a boomer's taste in music. so i cant really speak to how they were perceived in their time

Depends on definition of hipster. Every Nirvana album is rated between 8.7 and 10 on Pitchfork which is the gold standard of hipster navel gazing music taste makers. AIC is huge with rural America.

[ambchang]

Saying AiC was ever bigger than nirvana is pure revisionist history. From album sales, top 100 lists, Spotify streams, or any other commercial or popularity metric nirvana was clearly way ahead of AiC. You maybe able to argue pearl jam but even that is a stretch.

You can like AiC more and I agree it is fantastic stuff, but to say nirvana is a hipster take is just absolute BS. They were the biggest band of the entire 90s. The only artists who even came close to them were BIG and Tupac. Well, unless you want to count spice girls, nsync or new kids on the block.

[benefactor]

Kurt Cobain is the Joel Embiid to Layne Staley's Nikola Jokic
Tbh. He and Cantrells vocal chemistry is the linchpin. That dreary, haunting sound just pushes right through you. In a nutshell(no pun intended), Nirvana is that pizza you order that's always very good and AIC is a homemade Italian dish.

[Guru of Nothing]

Mark Lanegan fan checking in.

[benefactor]

And don't get me wrong, I love Nirvana. But Nirvana fanboys are the kind of people that heard Nirvana for the first time an automatically decided it was the greatest thing they ever heard and wouldn't hear anything else on the subject.

[scott]

Nirvana, AiC, and grunge in general hit the spot at the time... but honestly I don't think they've aged all that well. Better than Nu-Metal at least.

[benefactor]

Nirvana, AiC, and grunge in general hit the spot at the time... but honestly I don't think they've aged all that well. Better than Nu-Metal at least.
I still enjoy grunge as it was my high school years, but older music stands the test of time better. Think about a band like Queen up against grunge or numetal. The gulf is ridiculously wide.

[vy65]

Kurt Cobain is the Joel Embiid to Layne Staley's Nikola Jokic

[vy65]

Nirvana is great, but at their core, they’re a pop-punk band. They get credit for innovating grunge, but they really weren’t all that innovative. I don’t think that they were all that ground breaking considering what bands like Social Distortion or Bad Religion were doing at the time. If you listen right, some parts of In Utero sound like a cover of the first Melvin’s album.

AIC was definitely more innovative in terms of coming up with a sound that didn’t just build off of predecessors. I’m not entirely sure that you can categorize them as a grunge band per se. They don’t sound like Soundgarden or STP or Nirvana. I think they get grouped in because they’re from Seattle and it was the early 90s.

But at the end of the day, this is a stupid conversation because there’s no right answer: both are great bands and people are just going to gravitate to what their preference is. I don’t think there’s any principled way of saying one is better than the other. And that’s totally fine.

But yeah, Fox had a great game.

[vy65]

Mark Lanegan fan checking in.

HLvUPyW3VtIS7lqM

RIP

[Knoxxx]

Nobody answered me what’s the cost to extend Fox?

[Dverde]

Fox spilling some tea on the Kings soon.

https://x.com/damienbarling/status/1887665935793988030?s=46

[Spurminator]

Saying AiC was ever bigger than nirvana is pure revisionist history.

No one said that. Hipsters prefer Nirvana. That's all.

Also I think Fox tops 30 next game

[ambchang]

No one said that. Hipsters prefer Nirvana. That's all.

Also I think Fox tops 30 next game

I thought hipsters are the ones who are counter mainstream, which by definition are “against the masses”. Non?

[cutewizard]

Fox will be beloved ........

[Spurminator]

I thought hipsters are the ones who are counter mainstream, which by definition are “against the masses”. Non?

Definitions can vary, but popularity is not always a direct correlation. "Snobbery" is a factor as well.

For example, The Cure is undoubtedly more popular than Winger, and The Cure would also probably be the hipster choice out of those two for "Which band do you prefer?" (This is obviously an extreme example for illustrative purposes, I'm not actually comparing AIC with Winger.)


https://youtu.be/d_ymmP2S0ck?si=K2ajHsPVuey01VcS

[spurraider21]

Definitions can vary, but popularity is not always a direct correlation. "Snobbery" is a factor as well.

For example, The Cure is undoubtedly more popular than Winger, and The Cure would also probably be the hipster choice out of those two for "Which band do you prefer?" (This is obviously an extreme example for illustrative purposes, I'm not actually comparing AIC with Winger.)
Yeah but Headed for a Heartbreak is the best song written by either

Let’s see if fox can outduel LaMelo

[scott]

No one said that. Hipsters prefer Nirvana. That's all.

Also I think Fox tops 30 next game

I'm hoping that we see a "subdued" Fox performance today against CHA because we're up by 40 halfway through the 3rd quarter and he and Wemby both get an early night. I want to see the debut of JMac!

[RC_Drunkford]

wow y'all should watch this. So basically since Fox turned down multiple max extensions, the Kings made him look like an asshole to not get any flack for having to trade him down the line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD6oJHo6ghw

[BatManu20]

1887968598963970233

[spurraider21]

yeah kings subreddit was whining about fox texting with castle before the trade to engineer it, etc. all bullshit.

[scott]

I can't blame Kangz fans for how they are feeling right now. This is their "Kawhi" moment, in terms of losing their franchise player for a not-so-great return, and their looking for answers. But whereas Kawhi truly snaked his way out of here, the Kangz share more of the blame in this one.

Fox is a Spur now, and he's going to be great. Intelligent, charismatic young man who backs it up on the floor. I can't wait to see how Wemby and Castle grow next to him.

[spurraider21]

1887968598963970233
this barling guy is the one who put out the fox is a snake in the grass tweet and fox had to call him out on it

[timtonymanu]

1887968598963970233

So all that crap that Fox got Mike Brown fired was all BS. This just contradicts all of that.

[timtonymanu]

I can't blame Kangz fans for how they are feeling right now. This is their "Kawhi" moment, in terms of losing their franchise player for a not-so-great return, and their looking for answers. But whereas Kawhi truly snaked his way out of here, the Kangz share more of the blame in this one.

Fox is a Spur now, and he's going to be great. Intelligent, charismatic young man who backs it up on the floor. I can't wait to see how Wemby and Castle grow next to him.

Maybe I’m being biased, but Nephew did us way worse. An MVP candidate coming off a conference finals appearance and had been set up as our next franchise guy that followed Tim and also had won a championship with us already to then ghost the entire team for a year (a year where Pop’s wife was dying too), that was a lot worse. At least Fox is giving answers now and not being a stupid mute like Kawhi.

[scott]

Maybe I’m being biased, but Nephew did us way worse. An MVP candidate coming off a conference finals appearance and had been set up as our next franchise guy that followed Tim and also had won a championship with us already to then ghost the entire team for a year (a year where Pop’s wife was dying too), that was a lot worse. At least Fox is giving answers now and not being a stupid mute like Kawhi.

Yes, Kawhi was way worse. That's what I was trying to imply by saying "whereas Kawhi truly snaked his way out..."

[LeBowen]

Tbh, Fox checked out after they fired Brown.
20ppg on 38% FG in his last 11 games with the Kings.

[Seventyniner]

Tbh, Fox checked out after they fired Brown.
20ppg on 38% FG in his last 11 games with the Kings.

Indeed. According to that podcast, the way that Kings ownership fired Brown was the final straw, showing Fox that they weren't capable of building a sustained, consistent winner.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not only that, but the Kings made it look like Fox got Brown fired, by not giving a press conference and letting the players do interviews instead.

[MannyIsGod]

Nirvana, AiC, and grunge in general hit the spot at the time... but honestly I don't think they've aged all that well. Better than Nu-Metal at least.

I agree with some of the genre. Honestly these days I think Soundgarden is the go to from that era for me mainly because of Cornell's voice.

[Dverde]

Fox is going to drop 50 on them then retweet this. Old man version of Michelle Beadles rant. I do like when he said they (SAC) needs to grow a pair :lol

https://x.com/grantnapearshow/status/1887759959800295463?s=46

[stephen jackson]

when do we go to sac town?

[stephen jackson]

remember when dj said we was gonna suck for ten years lol

[scott]

I agree with some of the genre. Honestly these days I think Soundgarden is the go to from that era for me mainly because of Cornell's voice.

Good call, amigo

[Ice009]

I agree with some of the genre. Honestly these days I think Soundgarden is the go to from that era for me mainly because of Cornell's voice.

Where do you rank Soundgarden? I need to check out some of their albums as I never really gave them much of a listen as I didn't vibe with them musically, but I'd always heard Chris Cornell is a great, great vocalist. Any other Cornell projects worth checking out?

I'm just watching that Fox video now. I really appreciate him reaching out explaining the situation. I think he cares about the right information being told rather than let speculation float around out there (complete opposite to the way Kawhi handled everything).


remember when dj said we was gonna suck for ten years lol

I vaguely remember Dejounte saying something like this (I don't remember if it was just after he left or later on down the line). Can't remember what he said, though.

[Seventyniner]

Where do you rank Soundgarden? I need to check out some of their albums as I never really gave them much of a listen as I didn't vibe with them musically, but I'd always heard Chris Cornell is a great, great vocalist. Any other Cornell projects worth checking out?

Temple of the Dog and Audioslave.

[ambchang]

Cornell’s solo stuff is good too, except that abomination of an album he did with Timbaland. I particularly love the cover album he did, particularly the copy he did on Sinead o’Connor’s Nothing compares to you.

Back to Fox. A little disappointed the winning streak stopped at one, still learning to play with the spurs. It brighter days ahead hopefully.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VLvjG6Bwq0

[scott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VLvjG6Bwq0

Great video - his impact on the flow is immediately apparent. The gravity is real.

[RC_Drunkford]

Great video - his impact on the flow is immediately apparent. The gravity is real.

if his addition catapults our offense to the top 10 we are cooking with something. Then we need to fix the defense and we're back in business.

[sfernald]

Fuck yku
guys. I thought I was going to read about fox but all I read was stupid arguments about whether AiC or Nirvana was best… wtf how dare you compare these twoz We are just so lucky that their music exists at all.

[scott]

if his addition catapults our offense to the top 10 we are cooking with something. Then we need to fix the defense and we're back in business.

For whatever reason, our guys always help in the paint when Wemby is there, leaving guys wide open for 3. It's so stupid. Wemby does not need help! Cleaning that up alone would have a huge positive impact on our defense.

Do that thing, and rebound, and this is a significantly better team immediately.

[RC_Drunkford]

For whatever reason, our guys always help in the paint when Wemby is there, leaving guys wide open for 3. It's so stupid. Wemby does not need help! Cleaning that up alone would have a huge positive impact on our defense.

Do that thing, and rebound, and this is a significantly better team immediately.

somebody should tell Pop that his defensive schemes from the 2000s don't work in the modern NBA. That's what happens when he doesn't have Udoka to carry him anymore.

[z0sa]

For whatever reason, our guys always help in the paint when Wemby is there, leaving guys wide open for 3. It's so stupid. Wemby does not need help! Cleaning that up alone would have a huge positive impact on our defense.

Do that thing, and rebound, and this is a significantly better team immediately.

It's coaching, or the lack thereof.

[Mr. Body]

This guy may be worse than a 40 year old Chris Paul. And he wants fifty million a year.

[LeBowen]

This guy may be worse than a 40 year old Chris Paul. And he wants fifty million a year.

Why is this site full of deranged middle aged men who just want to push the most retarded narratives possible?
Do you people get off on acting like retards on an anonymous forum or what?

[timtonymanu]

He’s only been here 3 games yet you make all the excuses in the world for Branham and he sucked for a season and a half. STFU already, Mrs. Body.

[RC_Drunkford]

He‘s just mad cause the trade happened when he was posting everywhere how it was all a fluke by Rich Paul to raise Foxes trade value

[scott]

The good news is that this is about as bad as Fox will be in a game, and he still found a way to make some positive contributions. Had 9 assists, collapsed the defense on several occasions to create opportunities for his teammates, and injected a much needed increase in pace to the lineup. Luckily, he won't shoot like this and have 5 turnovers very often.

I'm liking what I'm seeing out of Devin and Castle both in their pairings with Fox, and I think Devin is taking well to needing to be the offensive engine at times with some bench units.

Don't know how much more of Fox we'll see before we just shut it down for surgery though. Portland is about to leapfrog us is the standings.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fox was too decisive against Orlando. He should've taken those floaters and midrange jumpers instead of looking for a pass every damn time. No big deal though, it's just his 3rd game with the team.

[Dejounte]

He‘s just mad cause the trade happened when he was posting everywhere how it was all a fluke by Rich Paul to raise Foxes trade value

What an insufferable bastard.

Instead of admitting he’s wrong, he doubles down. Reminds me of Trumpers.

[z0sa]

This guy may be worse than a 40 year old Chris Paul. And he wants fifty million a year.

Rich coming from the guy who white-knights for end of the bench scrubs and calls us all haters who should kill ourselves.

[cd021]

For whatever reason, our guys always help in the paint when Wemby is there, leaving guys wide open for 3. It's so stupid. Wemby does not need help! Cleaning that up alone would have a huge positive impact on our defense.Do that thing, and rebound, and this is a significantly better team immediately.It's infuriating to watch, tbh. Wemby doesn't need help stopping a guard at the rim. Even if they get a shot up, it's basically a prayer

[ffadicted]

Why is this site full of deranged middle aged men who just want to push the most retarded narratives possible?
Do you people get off on acting like retards on an anonymous forum or what?

Hasn’t changed much in 15 years lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGXIg-BLzM

[exstatic]

The only chance they will get to familiarize Swipa with the system is shootarounds and games. There will be no practices, because every game from here out is a B2B or one day’s rest. We had a weird period in November or Decemberwhere we had five days off, and the Paris schedule was two games in 9 days to allow for jet lag both ways. They weren’t and won’t be able to reschedule the fire game from LA because the schedule is so tight. I guess if it’s relevant,n they’ll play it the day after the season,maybe.

[Splits]

The only chance they will get to familiarize Swipa with the system is shootarounds and games. There will be no practices, because every game from here out is a B2B or one day’s rest. We had a weird period in November or Decemberwhere we had five days off, and the Paris schedule was two games in 9 days to allow for jet lag both ways. They weren’t and won’t be able to reschedule the fire game from LA because the schedule is so tight. I guess if it’s relevant,n they’ll play it the day after the season,maybe.

LA game is already rescheduled for March 17th

[rascal]

Fox will be great.

I really like his quickness to get himself open and his quick release on his shot also his ability to get to the basket with speed.

Spurs generally aren't able to get to the basket but now with Fox and Castle have a couple of guys who can get to the basket. Makes for a more exciting type of play with players athletic enough to run a break and finish at the rim.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U94opi2LvU

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp0CQPGc2lw

[cutewizard]

Quicksilverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Gagnrath]

Fucking preach


Nirvana is a band that due to Cobain's death is unrealized as a whole, They had two great songs and their albums are decent some of the post death released stuff had good potential but was definitely not finished. To compare the two is like comparing Paul Walker to Vin Diesel. I think that I can also make an argument that any group of people who are responsible for inflicting Courtney Love on the public is due serious demerits just on that fact.

[spurraider21]

remember when dj said we was gonna suck for ten years lol
so far he's right

[spurraider21]

This guy may be worse than a 40 year old Chris Paul. And he wants fifty million a year.
unhinged

[Chomag]

Judging how well Fox has been scoring right off the bat for the Spurs makes me very excited at thinking how good he can be for us once he became more acclimated to the Spurs plays and when his teammates became more intuned with having him out there with them.

To me he has been even better then advertised and seems perfect for Wemby’s number 2.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nirvana is a band that due to Cobain's death is unrealized as a whole, They had two great songs and their albums are decent some of the post death released stuff had good potential but was definitely not finished. To compare the two is like comparing Paul Walker to Vin Diesel. I think that I can also make an argument that any group of people who are responsible for inflicting Courtney Love on the public is due serious demerits just on that fact.

Pretty stupid take. In Utero and Nevermind are amongst the best albums of the entire decade and Unplugged is easily the most celebrated unplugged album ever. They quite simply had much better songs and albums than their seattle peers hence why even to this day they were the most played rock band of the last 10 years despite not existing since ‘94. They have translated from one generation to the next far better than anyone else from that era for a reason.

[Russo21]

Free Agent at the end of just next season? Hope the man re'ups.

So so many players these days are being shopped in their final year, if not there are the constant rumours they'll be traded or won't sign an extension.

The fact Fox quite vocally wanted to come here is obviously a good sign, I just hope he extends at the first available opportunity and we don't have a season long fox and mouse will he won't he Type of thing hanging over the teams head

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsFvAnR9oI

[cutewizard]

Rest well Quicksilver

Begin those San Antonio roots

It's winning time next year

[spurraider21]

https://i.redd.it/z6c9ey6plyje1.jpeg

[scott]

Left side of the key shall henceforth be known as the Fox hole. (Ordered my Fox jersey today. NBA.com had a 40% off sale using the code SWISH for those interested if it is still going on. Got the Fox jersey, 4 shirts and a hat for like $200, pretty good deal).

[Rosewood]

.

[Rosewood]

https://i.redd.it/z6c9ey6plyje1.jpeg Look at Derozan man… truly the midrange king :lol

[playbonner15]

https://i.redd.it/z6c9ey6plyje1.jpeg

I find it weird that Fox is more efficient on the right side of the rim. I expected him to make more shots on the left side like Brunson (and assume Manu too is more effiecient on the left side)

[scott]

I find it weird that Fox is more efficient on the right side of the rim. I expected him to make more shots on the left side like Brunson (and assume Manu too is more effiecient on the left side)

That's the left side of the rim. Players face the basket, not away from it (or so we hope)

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyWf8xKKOuw

[Extra Stout]

Time to get that finger surgery

[scott]

Get ready to learn SEASON ENDING FINGER SURGERY buddy

[Ice009]

I am guessing De'Aaron didn't know about Victor being out as he seemed pretty upbeat in this interview. I feel bad for both Victor and De'Aaron since the main reason he wanted to come here was to play with Victor. I wonder if he's still going to want to play so that he mesh with the other guys if a playoff spot is now unreachable, or if he'll opt to just have the surgery now?

They better AT LEAST start Castle now. Hand the keys to the team over to Steph and De'Aaron (if he doesn't opt. for the surgery) for the rest of the season.

[z0sa]

I say shut him down and let's actually tank. Season just ended for all intents and purposes - even an outlier play-in berth wouldn't give the team much more than an extra game or few in exchange for potentially drastically reduced draft position.

[scott]

I say shut him down and let's actually tank. Season just ended for all intents and purposes - even an outlier play-in berth wouldn't give the team much more than an extra game or few in exchange for potentially drastically reduced draft position.

This makes perfect sense. I expect the Spurs to go super try-hard now and do the exact opposite.

[K...]

He might want to play though. if so, i see no reason to stop him. it might be better for him to learn the schemes and wait till offseason.

[RC_Drunkford]

can we talk about him blocking 2 jumpshots?

[spurraider21]

can we talk about him blocking 2 jumpshots?
yeah his length is noticeable. since we traded dejounte, we've had Tre Jones and Chris Paul as our point guards, both of whom are on the small side. fox is a couple of inches taller with a few inches longer wingspan than either of him, while being a more dynamic athlete.

he's no dejounte when it comes to size and length, but for once we dont have a point guard who just looks undersized and incapable of contesting shots

[scott]

Some stats I'm watching from here on out.

As of today we are 23rd in the league in steals/game at 7.6. I think that will improve. CP3, and Fox are high end steal generation guys, Vassell has really picked up his game in this area as of late as well. Sochan and Castle should be able to generate steals, and Wemby does as well.

As of today, Fox is shooting .322 from 3. I think that will improve considerably.

Likewise, as of today, Devin is shooting 36.0% from 3. I also expect this to improve.

The last 6 games since Fox has joined, we're averaging 11.2 steals/game, with every game exceeding our pre-Fox average. OKC leads the league (season long) at 10.9/game.

Continue to keep an eye on this stat. Not having Wemby as the backstop might hurt if our guys stop gambling as much, but their hands were still very active against PHX (13 steals).

[Mugen]

The last 6 games since Fox has joined, we're averaging 11.2 steals/game, with every game exceeding our pre-Fox average. OKC leads the league (season long) at 10.9/game.

Continue to keep an eye on this stat. Not having Wemby as the backstop might hurt if our guys stop gambling as much, but their hands were still very active against PHX (13 steals).

Sounds like we've turned the corner tbh.

[timtonymanu]

:lol Mr Body in this thread

[Gagnrath]

That's the left side of the rim. Players face the basket, not away from it (or so we hope)

Really dominant centers don't.

[scott]

Really dominant centers don't.

They do when they're shooting. I've yet to see a NBA player shoot behind his back on high volume. Post the highlights when you find them.

[Sugus]

Really wishing he gets that finger surgery ASAP.

He's too good to be left playing now that Wemby's out for the season.

[Gagnrath]

They do when they're shooting. I've yet to see a NBA player shoot behind his back on high volume. Post the highlights when you find them.
Alright let's watch a whole bunch of Kareem skyhooks the majority of which don't start facing the basket.

https://youtu.be/OTL8dW6PqPE?si=Tv2sTp-aOjVhgjcG

Yes mostly you do finish facing the rim but the majority of the time you're playing back to the basket.

[scott]

Alright let's watch a whole bunch of Kareem skyhooks the majority of which don't start facing the basket.

https://youtu.be/OTL8dW6PqPE?si=Tv2sTp-aOjVhgjcG

Yes mostly you do finish facing the rim but the majority of the time you're playing back to the basket.

My brother in Christ, the post you are responding to is a literal chart of where players shoot, and someone said they are surprised Fox is listed on the side of the basket, not the left, when in fact it's the left. If you want to content that right is actually left and left is actually right, go right ahead, but stop quoting me because I don't really need to see you demonstrate that you're an idiot.

Players typically LOOK towards the basket when they shoot, not away from it... therefor... we consider the lefthand side of the basket to be the side on the left when you're looking at it.

The fact that I had to explain this to you should force you into some serious reflection of where your life is headed.

[scott]

Fox been straight dogwater the last three games. Let’s get that San Antonio debut out of the way and shut him down.

[couchman]

Yeah, I'm guessing the only reason he hasn't been shut down is the extended road trip.

[mystargtr34]

It’s hard to believe the Spurs haven’t played a real home game since February 2nd and won’t until March 3rd.

[mystargtr34]

And yeah give Fox 1 or 2 games in front of the home fans and then shut it down.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Fox been straight dogwater the last three games. Let’s get that San Antonio debut out of the way and shut him down.

I’m going to be curious if he will get the max regardless.

[scott]

I’m going to be curious if he will get the max regardless.

My guess is that his deal was already worked out before the trade even happened. It wouldn't surprise me if a slight discount is built in, not quite to the level of what Jalen Brunson did for NYK, but maybe something like 27% of the cap instead of 30%? But the most likely scenario is that they agreed to the max before the trade and that's what they'll do.

[cutewizard]

The clutch gene is real

[cutewizard]

I want a 40 point explosion

[baseline bum]

My guess is that his deal was already worked out before the trade even happened. It wouldn't surprise me if a slight discount is built in, not quite to the level of what Jalen Brunson did for NYK, but maybe something like 27% of the cap instead of 30%? But the most likely scenario is that they agreed to the max before the trade and that's what they'll do.

There is no way. He was sticking around Sacramento hoping to become supermax eligible and only forced his way here once it became clear he wasn't going to be making the third team in Sac. He'll be signed for the 30% max, possibly with an opt out after year two or three (I forget which), so he can sign for the 35% max then.

[SpurSpike]

I know its rare but some players care about winning/legacy more than getting paid, they know they are going to be rich regardless. We could see players like Fox or even Wemby take discounts so that we can build a solid roster. They certainly seem the type that would at least consider it.

[scott]

Don't know if it has been posted in any other threads, but Michael Wright has a feature for ESPN today on Fox, on the day he returns to SAC. Lots of good quotes about how he wanted to come here to play with Wemby.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44126913/mike-brown-firing-ended-deaaron-fox-sacramento-kings

[Seventyniner]

Don't know if it has been posted in any other threads, but Michael Wright has a feature for ESPN today on Fox, on the day he returns to SAC. Lots of good quotes about how he wanted to come here to play with Wemby.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44126913/mike-brown-firing-ended-deaaron-fox-sacramento-kings


FOX SAID THAT the only real demand he ever made in Sacramento was for the Kings to acquire dynamic wing players (such as Brooklyn's Cameron Johnson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3138196/cameron-johnson)). Fox believes that most championship teams are anchored by top-tier wings like Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032977/giannis-antetokounmpo) in Milwaukee and Jaylen Brown (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3917376/jaylen-brown) and Jayson Tatum (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4065648/jayson-tatum) in Boston.
"That's all I ever asked for," he said. "I told Keegan Murray (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4594327/keegan-murray), and I don't know how many people would agree with me. But I'm like, 'Yo, the best teams in the league outside of Steph [Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry) and the Golden State Warriors], their best player is usually a wing. Wings win in this league."



Uh De'Aaron, I have some bad news...

[scott]

Uh De'Aaron, I have some bad news...

I thought there was an interesting counter to that idea in the article, being that Wemby is that "wing" for us, he just happens to be 7'5" and play C.

[Kevin]

I thought there was an interesting counter to that idea in the article, being that Wemby is that "wing" for us, he just happens to be 7'5" and play C.

Well Wemby certainly plays like a wing on offense. Its my only complaint of him as a player. He need to play like a C on both sides of the ball. He's at his best getting lobs and dunks at the rim and not settling for 8 three pointers a game. Hopefully Fox along with the a PF who can shoot threes will open up more lanes for lobs and easy dunks for Wemby.

[scott]

Well Wemby certainly plays like a wing on offense. Its my only complaint of him as a player. He need to play like a C on both sides of the ball. He's at his best getting lobs and dunks at the rim and not settling for 8 three pointers a game. Hopefully Fox along with the a PF who can shoot threes will open up more lanes for lobs and easy dunks for Wemby.

If he shoots 38% (or even better as he develops) from 3 like he was in November and December, then I do want him shooting 3s. It's when he's going 1-9 that the 3s are a problem.

[spurraider21]

If he shoots 38% (or even better as he develops) from 3 like he was in November and December, then I do want him shooting 3s. It's when he's going 1-9 that the 3s are a problem.
he should only shoot them when he makes them imo

[scott]

he should only shoot them when he makes them imo

Haha... sorry meant to say "over several games"

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Naming the thread after one of the more overrated Seattle bands makes sense for Fox with his play

[djohn2oo8]

You guys think Fox is worth a Supermax?

[dn0774]

You guys think Fox is worth a Supermax?

Luckily he is not currently eligible so we don't have to find out.

[Ice009]

Well, I didn't want to comment on this as there is so many circumstances going (Victor out, Fox's finger injured, team a bit of a mess talent wise), but he's not looking great. He's not worth supermax IMO. Do you guys think he's even worth the max? He is not playing too well lately :(.

[heyheymymy]

https://i.ibb.co/5h7kzqPw/fox-injury-update-could-be-shut-down-soon-per-orsborn-v0-fqykkcnsxene1-jpeg.webp