Why is the president so weak...

[ElNono]

on China? Only 10% tariffs on our greatest adversary? Did the Tech Bros complain?

Discuss.

[SnakeBoy]

They're not our bitch

Different tactics required

[GAustex]

Trolliolio in fine form

[ElNono]

Miss Old Joe already, tbh... that mofo used to beat the ever living shit out of China with his walker...

[sickdsm]

They're not our bitch

Different tactics required

China going to be so irreverent in the near term anyway.

[Blake]

China going to be so irreverent in the near term anyway.

Irreverent?

[Yonivore]

on China? Only 10% tariffs on our greatest adversary? Did the Tech Bros complain?

Discuss.
President Trump imposed a 25% tariff on China, during his first term. Slow Joe kept it in place. This represents a 10% increase over the existing 25%. So, for those educated in our failing government school system, China now has a 35% tariff imposed on their goods.

[Blake]

President Trump imposed a 25% tariff on China, during his first term. Slow Joe kept it in place. This represents a 10% increase over the existing 25%. So, for those educated in our failing government school system, China now has a 35% tariff imposed on their goods.

What happened to the 60% he was raving about during the campaign?

[ElNono]

President Trump imposed a 25% tariff on China, during his first term. Slow Joe kept it in place. This represents a 10% increase over the existing 25%. So, for those educated in our failing government school system, China now has a 35% tariff imposed on their goods.

No, it's not. The 10% applies to all Chinese imports, while the 25% tariff was limited to particular items:

On April 3, 2018, the U.S. Trade Representative's office published an initial list of 1,300+ Chinese goods to impose levies upon, including products like flat-screen televisions, weapons, satellites, medical devices, aircraft parts and batteries.

You must've been educated by the Department of Eduction, tbh...

BTW, those tariffs (and this applies to Corpse Joe as well) were very costly to the US: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/trump-trade-farm-aid-bailout-00002333

[Yonivore]

No, it's not. The 10% applies to all Chinese imports, while the 25% tariff was limited to particular items:

On April 3, 2018, the U.S. Trade Representative's office published an initial list of 1,300+ Chinese goods to impose levies upon, including products like flat-screen televisions, weapons, satellites, medical devices, aircraft parts and batteries.
So, the tariff on the 1,300+ goods tariffed at 25% are now at 35%, correct? What goods are now enjoying only a 10% tariff?


You must've been educated by the Department of Eduction, tbh...
Burn!


BTW, those tariffs (and this applies to Corpse Joe as well) were very costly to the US: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/trump-trade-farm-aid-bailout-00002333
Don't read them. I may start, however:

Time to Admit It: Trump Is a Great President. He’s Still Trying To Be a Good One. (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/21/harris-column-trump-great-president-00199564)

Shockingly, that wasn't written buy just some editorial flunky at Politico. No, apparently, it is the learned opinion of one John Harris, founding editor and global editor-in-chief of POLITICO.

Has Trump turned another lefty?

[Yonivore]

BTW, those tariffs (and this applies to Corpse Joe as well) were very costly to the US: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/trump-trade-farm-aid-bailout-00002333

Your article starts off on a bad premise...

Republicans eye bigger farm bailout amid Trump trade wars (https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/trump-trade-farm-aid-bailout-00002333)

What trade wars?

[Millennial_Messiah]

No, it's not. The 10% applies to all Chinese imports, while the 25% tariff was limited to particular items:

On April 3, 2018, the U.S. Trade Representative's office published an initial list of 1,300+ Chinese goods to impose levies upon, including products like flat-screen televisions, weapons, satellites, medical devices, aircraft parts and batteries.

You must've been educated by the Department of Eduction, tbh...

BTW, those tariffs (and this applies to Corpse Joe as well) were very costly to the US: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/trump-trade-farm-aid-bailout-00002333

So with you and Newsom and Bill Clinton archetypes you would be in favor of 100% free trade and 0% populism? Just let every white person in Ohio and Michigan and West Virginia and Pennsylvania outside of the Philly collar just starve to death and die? Free trade globalism makes the rich get richer and the middle class and poor get poorer.

[Thread]

Miss Old Joe already, tbh... that mofo used to beat the ever living shit out of China with his walker...


...& had the SS stand down in Pennsylvania...to nary avail.

[ElNono]

So, the tariff on the 1,300+ goods tariffed at 25% are now at 35%, correct? What goods are now enjoying only a 10% tariff?

Any of the other non 1,300 goods. Math is hard. Given our trade deficit with them, probably the vast majority of them:

U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $758.4 billion in 2022. Exports were $195.5 billion; imports were $562.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $367.4 billion in 2022.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china



Don't read them. I may start, however:

Time to Admit It: Trump Is a Great President. He’s Still Trying To Be a Good One. (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/21/harris-column-trump-great-president-00199564)

Shockingly, that wasn't written buy just some editorial flunky at Politico. No, apparently, it is the learned opinion of one John Harris, founding editor and global editor-in-chief of POLITICO.

Has Trump turned another lefty?

I mean, if you think opinion pieces are on equal footing as actual facts (probably part of your eduction)...

[Thread]

President Trump imposed a 25% tariff on China, during his first term. Slow Joe kept it in place. This represents a 10% increase over the existing 25%. So, for those educated in our failing government school system, China now has a 35% tariff imposed on their goods.

Yep, yep.

[ElNono]

Your article starts off on a bad premise...

Republicans eye bigger farm bailout amid Trump trade wars (https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/trump-trade-farm-aid-bailout-00002333)

What trade wars?

The ones you start by unilaterally imposing tariffs. Trump was quick to bend the knee with Mexico and Canada, weak on China tho.

[Thread]

The ones you start by unilaterally imposing tariffs. Trump was quick to bend the knee with Mexico and Canada, weak on China tho.

Muhahahahahaha!!!

[Yonivore]

Any of the other non 1,300 goods. Math is hard. Given our trade deficit with them, probably the vast majority of them:
Actually, it's 1,300+ So, how many categories of goods do we import from China? Math is only hard if you don't provide all the variables.


U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $758.4 billion in 2022. Exports were $195.5 billion; imports were $562.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $367.4 billion in 2022.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china
What percentage of the $562.9 billion is represented by the 1,300+ goods that Trump tariffed at 25% in his first term.


I mean, if you think opinion pieces are on equal footing as actual facts (probably part of your eduction)...
Oh, I didn't read the piece. It's not even related to the discussion on tariffs (unless of course Harris mention the tariffs as something that makes Trump awesome).

No, it just came to my attention when I was reading the Politico article you linked. It surprised me to see their Editor in Chief give him props.

[ElNono]

So with you and Newsom and Bill Clinton archetypes you would be in favor of 100% free trade and 0% populism? Just let every white person in Ohio and Michigan and West Virginia and Pennsylvania outside of the Philly collar just starve to death and die? Free trade globalism makes the rich get richer and the middle class and poor get poorer.

Sorry, that ship has sailed. The rich people that benefit from it are exactly the people that fund the political system. There might be different oligarchies (Musk vs Soros, etc), but essentially they understand economics. We can't have our standard of living, cheap manufacturing and cheap prices, it doesn't add up.

It really isn't what I want or don't want, economics dictate that you have to give something up if you want the other.

The sooner people realize that and adapt, the sooner they'll stop being disappointed and stop kicking incumbents out of office.

[Yonivore]

"...bend the knee..."
I'm not sure this means what you think it means.

By the way, quickest fucking trade wars in history.

I asked Google what was the quickest trade war in history and here's what Google AI spit out in about 2 milliseconds...

quickest trad war in history. (https://www.google.com/search?q=quickest+trad+war+in+history.&oq=quickest+trad+war+in+history.&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAh AhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIJCAQQIRgKGKABMgkIBRAhGAoY oAEyBwgGECEYjwIyBwgHECEYjwLSAQg1NTMzajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)


According to recent reports, the "quickest trade war in history" is widely considered to be the brief conflict between the United States and Mexico/Canada during the Trump administration, where tariffs were threatened but quickly resolved within a few days through negotiations, effectively ending the trade war almost as soon as it began.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol because Mexico and Canada did what they were already doing.

You drama queens really crave the drama.

[ElNono]

Actually, it's 1,300+ So, how many categories of goods do we import from China? Math is only hard if you don't provide all the variables.

U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $758.4 billion in 2022. Exports were $195.5 billion; imports were $562.9 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $367.4 billion in 2022.

What percentage of the $562.9 billion is represented by the 1,300+ goods that Trump tariffed at 25% in his first term.

On June 15, Donald Trump released a list of $34 billion of Chinese goods to face a 25% tariff, starting on July 6. Another list with $16 billion of Chinese goods was released, with an implementation date of August 23

So less than 10%. Weak on China.



Oh, I didn't read the piece. It's not even related to the discussion on tariffs (unless of course Harris mention the tariffs as something that makes Trump awesome).

No, it just came to my attention when I was reading the Politico article you linked. It surprised me to see their Editor in Chief give him props.

So you did read it, but opted to swerve. Your concession is duly noted.

[ChumpDumper]

Yoni, why did Trump, and by extension you, flip-flop on Tik Tok?

[ElNono]

I'm not sure this means what you think it means.

By the way, quickest fucking trade wars in history.

I asked Google what was the quickest trade war in history and here's what Google AI spit out in about 2 milliseconds...

So Google agrees it was a trade war :tu

And yeah, Trump bent the knee really quickly.

[Yonivore]

:lol because Mexico and Canada did what they were already doing.

You drama queens really crave the drama.
No, they weren't. Name one thing Canada or Mexico was already doing when Trump threatened the tariffs.

[Yonivore]

So Google agrees it was a trade war :tu
Well, it's Google. But, since neither side ever imposed the threatened tariffs or retaliatory tariffs, it's not much of a war, is it?


And yeah, Trump bent the knee really quickly.
Please explain to me what you mean by 'bent the knee.'

[ChumpDumper]

No, they weren't. Name one thing Canada or Mexico was already doing when Trump threatened the tariffs.

I already told you. Mexico had already sent 10,000 and 15,000 troops to the border during the Trump and Biden administrations. that sure stopped fentanyl, didn't it? You wrote all about it at the time, right?

Canada had already announced their plan in December. You can't just wave a wand and implement a $1.3 billion program to address the 43 pounds of fentanyl crisis.:lol

[Yonivore]

I already told you. Mexico had already sent 10,000 and 15,000 troops to the border during the Trump and Biden administrations. that sure stopped fentanyl, didn't it? You wrote all about it at the time, right?

Canada had already announced their plan in December. You can't just wave a wand and implement a $1.3 billion program to address the 43 pounds of fentanyl crisis.:lol
And I've already responded to what you wrote.


They told Trump they would do things they were already doing and Trump acts like he forced them.:lol
Really, when did Mexico commit to sending 10,000 National Guard troops to the Southern Border?

When did the Mexicans start taking on the cartels?

Cartel del Noreste leader arrested in Nuevo Laredo, triggering citywide gunfights (https://www.lmtonline.com/local/article/cartel-leader-el-ricky-arrested-nuevo-laredo-20136850.php)

It appears it was yesterday.

Now, for Canada:


I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.

In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.
Let's take at face value his assertion they were already implementing their $1.3 billion border plan. I'd welcome you providing support for this, Chumpy but, for the sake of THIS argument, when did Canada commit to the following:

Appointing a federal Fentanyl Czar.
Listing Cartels as terrorists.
24/7 surveillance of our Northern border.
Launching a Canada-U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl, and money laundering.
Executing a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl - committing $200 million to the effort.

According to his statement, these were in addition to his $1.3 billion border plan you think he was already doing. And, just when did Canada implement their $1.3 billion border plan?

it wasn't even announced until December 17, 2024:

Government of Canada announces its plan to strengthen border security and our immigration system (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2024/12/government-of-canada-announces-its-plan-to-strengthen-border-security-and-our-immigration-system.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com)

We can certainly disagree but, I find the timing suspicious. After all, President Trump had made border security (Mexican and Canadian) a primary objective in his campaign. Could it be they came up with this plan to try and placate President Trump? When was the $1.3 billion border plan implemented? If you read the Canadian Press Release, the word "will" appears in almost every commitment made. Well, it appears that changed from will to "is" yesterday.

[Yonivore]

I already told you. Mexico had already sent 10,000 and 15,000 troops to the border during the Trump and Biden administrations. that sure stopped fentanyl, didn't it? You wrote all about it at the time, right?

Canada had already announced their plan in December. You can't just wave a wand and implement a $1.3 billion program to address the 43 pounds of fentanyl crisis.:lol
You may recall, I wasn't active in the forum during the first Trump or the Biden administrations.

[ElNono]

Well, it's Google. But, since neither side ever imposed the threatened tariffs or retaliatory tariffs, it's not much of a war, is it?

You need to make up your mind before you reply. If Google was a good enough authority for your claim, then it's good enough for mine.

Was Google wrong, is that your claim?


Please explain to me what you mean by 'bent the knee.'

He backed down when Mexico and Canada called his bluff. Just the weak leader he's always been like in his first term, all talk.

[Yonivore]

You need to make up your mind before you reply. If Google was a good enough authority for your claim, then it's good enough for mine.

Was Google wrong, is that your claim?
They weren't wrong the Canada and Mexico folded in record time to the threat of tariffs.


He backed down when Mexico and Canada called his bluff. Just the weak leader he's always been like in his first term, all talk.
Actually, he gave them both 30 days to prove they're serious about addressing the border crisis.

[ChumpDumper]

You may recall, I wasn't active in the forum during the first Trump or the Biden administrations.

You obviously don't recall those deployments of 10,000 and 15,000 troops during the first Trump and Biden adminstrations.

Why is that?

Please explain since this is a very important issue to you and it's not like you just were told what to think this past week.

[Blake]

No, it's not. The 10% applies to all Chinese imports, while the 25% tariff was limited to particular items:

On April 3, 2018, the U.S. Trade Representative's office published an initial list of 1,300+ Chinese goods to impose levies upon, including products like flat-screen televisions, weapons, satellites, medical devices, aircraft parts and batteries.

You must've been educated by the Department of Eduction, tbh...

BTW, those tariffs (and this applies to Corpse Joe as well) were very costly to the US: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/03/trump-trade-farm-aid-bailout-00002333

Yoni must have been home schooled

[ElNono]

They weren't wrong the Canada and Mexico folded in record time to the threat of tariffs.

So they're correct it was a trade war. :tu


Actually, he gave them both 30 days to prove they're serious about addressing the border crisis.

So he backed down. :tu

[ElNono]

BTW, I wouldn't even pin this directly on Trump, tbh.

President Musk owns a car factory with the CCCP in China, that's why I was asking if the Tech Bros had incidence in being weak on China...

[Yonivore]

So they're correct it was a trade war. :tup
Okay, if it makes you feel like you got one over on me...it was a trade war. The shortest in history, during which no actual trade was affected.


So he backed down. :tu
He backed down, they capitulated, that's yet to be seen.

Seriously, if Trump premised the imposition of tariffs on Canada and Mexico demonstrating they're serious about border security and they set about getting serious about border security, as it appears they've promised and have set about doing, why would Trump removing the threat of a tariff hike be seen as backing down? And, why would he stubbornly move forward with punitive tariffs if those he's threatened with them are doing what he'd demanding? I don't understand your logic.

It's as if you want Trump to fail in securing our borders by not causing our neighbors to be more responsive to a critical issue affecting our relationship.

Did Colombia or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Colombia changed their position on accepting their citizens and going so far as offering to send the Presidential plane to pick them up.
Did Venezuela or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Venezuela opted to do the same.
How about Panama, was it Panama or Trump who backed down when Panama stopped charging U. S. Military vessels for passage through the locks and committed to not renewing their contract with the Chinese next year.

If you this Trump has been backing down in all these instances, you have a strange idea of backing down. But, okay, I'll stop trying to convince you. You're now in the minority and your ilk little and diminishing power in how this administration is going to move forward over the next 4 years. If any the past couple of weeks are any indication, you're going to be a very unhappy person by 2028.

If Trump fucks everything up, you can put Kamala Harris in office.
If Trump accomplishes even a fraction of what he's proposed, I can see you voting for J. D. Vance in 2028. I know, my expectations are high.

[ElNono]

Okay, if it makes you feel like you got one over on me...it was a trade war. The shortest in history, during which no actual trade was affected.


He backed down, they capitulated, that's yet to be seen.

Seriously, if Trump premised the imposition of tariffs on Canada and Mexico demonstrating they're serious about border security and they set about getting serious about border security, as it appears they've promised and have set about doing, why would Trump removing the threat of a tariff hike be seen as backing down? And, why would he stubbornly move forward with punitive tariffs if those he's threatened with them are doing what he'd demanding? I don't understand your logic.

It's as if you want Trump to fail in securing our borders by not causing our neighbors to be more responsive to a critical issue affecting our relationship.

Did Colombia or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Colombia changed their position on accepting their citizens and going so far as offering to send the Presidential plane to pick them up.
Did Venezuela or Trump back down when, under the threat of punitive tariffs, Venezuela opted to do the same.
How about Panama, was it Panama or Trump who backed down when Panama stopped charging U. S. Military vessels for passage through the locks and committed to not renewing their contract with the Chinese next year.

If you this Trump has been backing down in all these instances, you have a strange idea of backing down. But, okay, I'll stop trying to convince you. You're now in the minority and your ilk little and diminishing power in how this administration is going to move forward over the next 4 years. If any the past couple of weeks are any indication, you're going to be a very unhappy person by 2028.

If Trump fucks everything up, you can put Kamala Harris in office.
If Trump accomplishes even a fraction of what he's proposed, I can see you voting for J. D. Vance in 2028. I know, my expectations are high.

I did my part to not put Trump in office, and didn't work out. That's all I can do. Now I have zero problems with Trump fucking up. I actually encourage him to.
I mean, he had one term and was an abject failure, so the bar is really low here, tbh, but if there's somebody that can repeat it, it's him.

I'm completely insulated from him and his politics as well. I'm in California, I'm not poor, I'm not gay... basically, he has no bearing on my happiness at all. I'm actually pretty sure I'll be thoroughly happy much sooner than 2028.
The only real concern is if he seeks a third term. That'd be problematic. But trumptards here says that's not a thing. :tu

The only thing yet to be seen is if the tariffs talk on Mexico and Canada is just that, all talk.

[Yonivore]

I did my part to not put Trump in office, and didn't work out. That's all I can do. Now I have zero problems with Trump fucking up. I actually encourage him to.
I mean, he had one term and was an abject failure, so the bar is really low here, tbh, but if there's somebody that can repeat it, it's him.

I'm completely insulated from him and his politics as well. I'm in California, I'm not poor, I'm not gay... basically, he has no bearing on my happiness at all. I'm actually pretty sure I'll be thoroughly happy much sooner than 2028.
The only real concern is if he seeks a third term. That'd be problematic. But trumptards here says that's not a thing. :tu

The only thing yet to be seen is if the tariffs talk on Mexico and Canada is just that, all talk.
So, if his energy policy lowers the price of fuel, that doesn't affect you?

If the lower price of fuel reduces the cost of transportation of goods, that doesn't affect you?

If the lower cost of transportation results in lower prices at the store, that doesn't affect you?

If the lower prices at the store, results in lower inflation, that doesn't affect you?

Just asking.