Pete Hegseth doing just great thread

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:6fpnypfzaavom45wm7syq4g6/bafkreig6ranuiebuu3ejrvakmq6itviyeypnysyxrbdrmvcrj dx3a6dtiy@jpeg


a White House staffer was just tapping away all kinds of shit talk in the secret secure Signal chat (https://bsky.app/profile/kvetch.gay/post/3m2dfpy7lhc2m)in a place where someone could take *numerous* photographs of his phone screen undetected and walk them over to the Minnesota Star-Tribune

[Winehole23]

82nd airborne to take out these guys?

Unhinged, totally insane

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/tracking-arrests-portland-ice-facility/283-0dcb1546-09df-46f6-8274-e5058397bc71

[Winehole23]

Signalgate 2.0



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[Winehole23]

we are currently clean on opsec

[Winehole23]

If newspapers can find out the content of Pete Hegseth's illegal Signal chats this easily, imagine how easy it must be for state intelligence services

[Winehole23]

(Pete Hegseth: apparently no extant defenders on this board at this time)

[Winehole23]

(Pete Hegseth: apparently no extant defenders on this board at this time)

[Winehole23]

the frequency of Hegseth operator cosplay suggests that he doesn't feel very tough

it's also a waste of time -- the chief officer of one of the biggest bureaucratic agencies in the world doesn't need to waste any time doing this


https://www.thedailybeast.com/resizer/v2/FURZZL7VJFHNVHLHKEJ2MW2FII.jpeg?smart=true&auth=eb86d009b2c203188bb7d0795502561dce11a33bcee9b 050d76a3bab89f5a009&width=1289&height=725

[Winehole23]

he's in way over his head

[Blake]

the frequency of Hegseth operator cosplay suggests that he doesn't feel very tough

it's also a waste of time -- the chief officer of one of the biggest bureaucratic agencies in the world doesn't need to waste any time doing this


https://www.thedailybeast.com/resizer/v2/FURZZL7VJFHNVHLHKEJ2MW2FII.jpeg?smart=true&auth=eb86d009b2c203188bb7d0795502561dce11a33bcee9b 050d76a3bab89f5a009&width=1289&height=725

It's all photo ops for his future run for potus. On our dime.

[Winehole23]

It's all photo ops for his future run for potus. On our dime.maybe he could be a US Rep somewhere, higher up than that, I don't see it

[Winehole23]

wrong thread, whoopsie

[Winehole23]

whoopsie

or has Trump secretly declared war on Colombia too?

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:oqexhdqbizq24v6ikjhhig2h/bafkreihssni7mby4l7uj2rxbnzffxt6q5spfjinmfli5ud5qh cocm7m7rq@jpeg

[Blake]

maybe he could be a US Rep somewhere, higher up than that, I don't see it

He may start with being governor

[Winehole23]

He may start with being governorwhere?

[Winehole23]

These annoying MFers are going to end up getting us Junta'd lol...then again maybe that is just preferable.I don't think the US armed forces as presently constituted would do a coup.

If Trump starts arresting mayors and governors, presumably he will be using federalized troops and regular soldiers too.

[Blake]

where?

"...Pete Hegseth is reportedly mulling running for Tennessee governor amid continued strife at the Pentagon.

The US defence secretary has privately discussed running for office in the state with two individuals, sources told NBC News, one of whom said their conversation took place in the last few weeks...."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/07/30/hegseth-mulls-governor-run-amid-pentagon-strife/

Probably not even eligible, probably just some spit balling but there's no doubt in my mind he'll run for a high office sometime soon.

[Winehole23]

Newsmax

https://www.newsweek.com/newsmax-trump-pete-hegseth-pentagon-press-access-10873785

[Winehole23]

OAN volunteers to be state propaganda


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:oqr5mp25r7z3vfr3igeerxbw/bafkreihtjdjxtktb542dkajbmsz44phuy4hqwao6cf3wmdvmy vbztl24v4@jpeg

[Blake]

OAN volunteers to be state propaganda


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:oqr5mp25r7z3vfr3igeerxbw/bafkreihtjdjxtktb542dkajbmsz44phuy4hqwao6cf3wmdvmy vbztl24v4@jpeg

Surprised at Newsmax taking a stand.

[Winehole23]

Hegseth is thin-skinned, incompetent and unprofessional

He's also the biggest pussy ever to run DOD

Also, Trump has a paper asshole

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:jjq37jze7ynm7uzalnrk5au5/bafkreiadtad7wfaedbkp2hetkqthikiakfiuxhadbz3bdzrue ilrddatcu@jpeg


Q: Will you consider removing new restrictions on the press that report at the Pentagon, and have you spoken to Hegseth about it?

Trump: I think he finds the press to be very disruptive in terms of world peace

[Winehole23]

If the USA had any evidence the survivors were terrorist or drug traffickers, it wouldn't repatriate them

Hegseth continues to break the law


The Trump administration has decided to repatriate two survivors of a deadly U.S. strike this week on suspected drug runners in the Caribbean Sea rather than prosecute them or hold them in military detention, people with knowledge of the matter said on Saturday.

The men who survived were being returned to their home countries, Colombia and Ecuador, the people with knowledge of the matter said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss operational and diplomatic matters. It was not clear if the government of either nation would prosecute the men upon their return, or simply release them.

President Trump has previously described people aboard suspected drug-smuggling boats, which the United States has targeted in several deadly airstrikes since early September, as “unlawful combatants.” He has claimed the authority, widely disputed by legal experts, to summarily kill such suspects in military strikes as if they were enemy soldiers in a war.

It was a sharp break from the traditional handling of maritime smuggling, in which the Coast Guard would intercept boats and arrest people if suspicions proved accuratehttps://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/18/us/politics/boat-strike-survivors.html

[Winehole23]

In possible related news, a SOUTHCOM admiral resigned a couple of days ago

"
The Colombian boat was adrift and had its distress signal up due to an engine failure," when it was struck. He added: "We await explanations from the US government."

"Fisherman Alejandro Carranza had no ties to the drug trade and his daily activity was fishing. The Colombian boat was adrift and had its distress signal up due to an engine failurehttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn8xg1jve73o

[Winehole23]

Hegseth accidentally shelled the I-5 yesterday, shrapnel fell on JD Vance's security detail



No officers were hurt in the mishap, which dropped shrapnel onto the vehicles parked on a ramp to a major freeway that had been ordered closed by Gov. Gavin Newsom. The governor had objected to the plan to fire over the freeway, Interstate 5, and ordered a 17-mile stretch closed — against the guidance of military officials, who had said it was safe for it to remain open.
.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/19/us/politics/shell-interstate-5-marines-california.html

[Winehole23]

Pete Hegseth's wife has a hard job: running Pete Hegseth and the DOD at the same time


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:izpllsvcyml7mcwanxfzdgkf/bafkreidzkfde6hck6era2rqohkgopuuv7gmcoqyy3jekpfsbm fpxkncd74@jpeg

[Winehole23]

No recreational boaters or military guys who have a take on Hegseth bombing a boat in distress?

Seems nonnormative, anyone?

[Blake]

Pete Hegseth's wife has a hard job: running Pete Hegseth and the DOD at the same time


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:izpllsvcyml7mcwanxfzdgkf/bafkreidzkfde6hck6era2rqohkgopuuv7gmcoqyy3jekpfsbm fpxkncd74@jpeg

Did she just get out of a church service?

Jesus Christ

[Winehole23]

Washington Times


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/pete-hegseth/) has lost the trust and respect of some top military commanders, with his public “grandstanding” widely seen as unprofessional and the personnel moves made by the former cable TV host leading to an unprecedented and dangerous exodus of talent from the Pentagon (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/pentagon/), said current senior military officers and current and former Defense Department (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-defense/) officials.

Numerous high-ranking officers painted Mr. Hegseth’s (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/pete-hegseth/) Sept. 30 speech to hundreds of generals and admirals gathered at Marine Corps (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/united-states-marine-corps/) Base Quantico in Virginia as a turning point in how his leadership style, attitude and overall competency are viewed in the upper echelons of the U.S. armed forces.

“It was a massive waste of time. … If he ever had us, he lost us,” one current Army general told The Washington Times.

The Quantico speech — described by other sources as “embarrassing” and theatrical to a degree that “is below our institution” — seemed to crystallize beliefs about Mr. Hegseth (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/pete-hegseth/) that had taken root among some senior officers, including the view that the secretary operates with a junior officer’s mentality that has led him to micromanage policies about issues such as military facial hair standards and press access to the Pentagon (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/pentagon/), sometimes at the expense of the much broader portfolio of a typical defense secretary.

“Mainly what I see from him are not serious things,” a current senior officer said. “It’s, ’Why did this service member tweet this?’ Or internal politics and drama. That’s mostly what I see.”https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/oct/20/lost-us-generals-senior-officers-say-trust-hegseth-evaporated/

[Winehole23]

ladies and gentlemen, your revamped Pentagon Press Corps



https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:j5fbnzh57rn7xz65yjc36gxb/bafkreiawmzsdtuffper7sfxcqt5s3dmjzdhfjvexdogsdv5rt rfy5wxftu@jpeg

[Winehole23]

Claiming the right to kill people anywhere on the basis of secret determinations and mere allegations of drug-trafficking and terrorism, is concerning


Prosecutors in Ecuador have decided not to charge a man who survived a U.S. military attack in the Caribbean Sea last week and have already released him, according to an Ecuadorean official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.

The outcome came despite the Trump administration’s stance that people suspected of smuggling drugs from South America are “terrorists” who pose such a severe danger to the United States that it is lawful for the American military to summarily kill them as if they were soldiers in a war. In announcing that he was repatriating the man, Mr. Trump declared (https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115396632441470075) on Saturday that he would face “detention and prosecution.”

The man was one of two survivors of a U.S. military strike on a semi-submersible vessel on Thursday. The strike killed two people, Mr. Trump later said, but the Navy rescued two other men from the sea afterward and detained them aboard a warship (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/17/us/politics/us-military-strike-survivors.html) while deciding what to do with them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/us/politics/ecuador-us-strike-survivor.html

[Winehole23]

Ecuador nopes out, US soft power in a total shambles

[Winehole23]

ladies and gentlemen, your revamped Pentagon Press Corps

objectively hilarious that InfoWars has agreed to publish nothing about DOD without prior government consent

[koriwhat]

Ah, how sad, no articles posted or photos of the "dem" with a real nazi tattoo running for office? Ah, shucks, who would've thought...

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, how sad, no articles posted or photos of the "dem" with a real nazi tattoo running for office? Ah, shucks, who would've thought...

?

No one is stopping you from posting whatever you're talking about in the Pete Hegseth thread for some reason.

Let's see it.

[Winehole23]

Ah, how sad, no articles posted or photos of the "dem" with a real nazi tattoo running for office? Ah, shucks, who would've thought...I mentioned Graham Platner by name in the Young Republicans are super bigoted thread

[Winehole23]

apparently you're the only besides me who cares

[Winehole23]

They gonna hate us if they don't already

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/world/americas/trinidad-bodies-us-strike-venezuela.html?smid=bsky-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Winehole23]

Could be a Calypso song, probably will be in about 15 minutes

The genre often veers to the topical

[Winehole23]

grift and graft


Trump Jr-linked drone company wins Pentagon contract

Unusual Machines secures deal as US military accelerates domestic production of unmanned aircraft

Don Jr has $4mil stake in Unusual Machines which announced US army contract to manufacture 3,500 drone motors and partshttps://www.ft.com/content/4cedc140-4a02-4ab6-9f78-93dd8c51aeef

[Winehole23]

the SOUTHCOM CO resignation (http://ttps://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-carries-out-new-strike-caribbean-there-are-survivors-us-official-says-2025-10-16/) is coming into sharper focus too

wonder who's in charge now


President Donald Trump is considering plans to target cocaine facilities and drug trafficking routes inside Venezuela, though he has not yet made a decision on whether to move forward with them, three US officials told CNN.


The president has also not ruled out taking a diplomatic approach with Venezuela to stem the flow of drugs into the US, two officials said, even after the administration cut off active talks with Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro in recent weeks. Venezuela is not known to be a major source of cocaine, but the Trump administration has been aggressively trying to link Maduro to the drug trade.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/aircraft-carrier-ford-headed-caribbean

[Winehole23]

can SECDEF directly command battles?

not rhetorical

[Winehole23]

attacking Venezuela would tend to create a state of war in Colombia, which considers all attacks on its neighbor a direct national threat

peacemaker Trump :lol

[Winehole23]

The chances of Trump starting a war with Venezuela on fake premises to grab more emergency power is nonzero

Could turn into a quagmire, though

[Winehole23]

comical chest-puffing, but sounds credible


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:hfrtjnhcfzvyrht2atilf3yw/bafkreihil5ymaklzojoa26taz2fxknfg6vjdvcmxplwhxshq3 2lpymztmm@jpeghttps://www.semafor.com/article/10/23/2025/its-important-to-liberate-venezuela-congressional-republicans-cheer-trumps-offensive

[koriwhat]

The chances of Trump starting a war with Venezuela on fake premises to grab more emergency power is nonzero

Could turn into a quagmire, though

It wouldn't be a war tbh, it'd be a demolition of Venezuela without a fight on their end. Their "military" is worthless like Maduro. Same with Columbia. Both countries would be annihilated in a matter of minutes.

[Winehole23]

(kw is pro-war)

[Winehole23]

lol over in minutes

haven't y'all learned anything over the last 22 years?

[Blake]

grift and graft

https://www.ft.com/content/4cedc140-4a02-4ab6-9f78-93dd8c51aeef

What conflict of interest?

[Blake]

(kw is pro-war)

Of course he is. He wishes death on anyone that in the least bit slights him/her.

[koriwhat]

(kw is pro-war)

Just because I'm a realist when it comes to those corrupt and bankrupted countries by no means makes me a pro-war anything. You leftists are too dumb to realize there is a grey area to most everything.

You loving mamdani means you're an incestuous retard muslim lover, see how this works?

[Winehole23]

What conflict of interest?military dependence for pay on specific US officers -- like the president -- or private donors could skew national priorities

in the Roman Republic generals paid armies out of their own purse, it did not end well

especially for the first emperor

[koriwhat]

Of course he is. He wishes death on anyone that in the least bit slights him/her.

Nah, I only wish death on pussies like you, BlaKKKe. :tu

Eat shit and die, bro. Go ahead, cry about it some more, pussy.

[Winehole23]

that's false, you wish death on a lot of other people

[koriwhat]

that's false, you wish death on a lot of other people

All of them are deserving of it too. :tu

I hope your buddy BlaKKKe has a mental breakdown sooner than later and rushes to his little orange bottle of meds for the solution to all his problems. :tu

[Winehole23]

hmm...

[Winehole23]

What conflict of interest?Anonymous friends of the US president bankrolling US armed forces?

I mean, $130 million isn't very much, I wonder if it would even pay for a (discrete military unit)

But in principle, it could get very screwy

[Winehole23]

lol


“The department declined to answer questions about whether the donor is an American citizen or a foreign national.”https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/24/dod-accepts-anonymous-130-million-donation-to-partially-cover-troop-pay-00622219

[Winehole23]

letting foreigners pay for the US military?

what could go wrong?

[BadMotorscooter]

letting foreigners pay for the US military?

what could go wrong?

communist says what?.....youre such an idiot, whine.

[ChumpDumper]

communist says what?.....youre such an idiot, whine.

Define communism and how WH fits that definition.

[Winehole23]

not a word about the politics, right wing clowns in this forum just want to talk about me

[Winehole23]

communist says what?.....youre such an idiot, whine.

I'm not and never have been a member of the Communist Party, even though it would be my right to be one as an American, should I so choose

I don't believe in state ownership of the means of production

I think the dictatorship of the proletariat is bullshit

I don't think the Communist Party is the vanguard of the revolution, nor am I personally a revolutionary or even a Marxist -- in these pages I mostly talk about what it would be like if the US constitution were fully in effect.



So, stipulating all that, in what way do you think I'm a communist?

[velik_m]

I'm not and never have been a member of the Communist Party, even though it would be my right to be one as an American, should I so choose

I don't believe in state ownership of the means of production

I think the dictatorship of the proletariat is bullshit

I don't think the Communist Party is the vanguard of the revolution, nor am I personally a revolutionary or even a Marxist -- in these pages I mostly talk about what it would be like if the US constitution were fully in effect.



So, stipulating all that, in what way do you think I'm a communist?

You say all that, but then you advocate for state controlled army. Sounds pretty communist to me.

The armed forces should be left to the free market! That's the only way to keep them uncorrupted by socialist values.

[Blake]

You say all that, but then you advocate for state controlled army. Sounds pretty communist to me.

The armed forces should be left to the free market! That's the only way to keep them uncorrupted by socialist values.

And stop using my tax dollar to pay for roads. It would be way cheaper to have competing companies fight for my toll road money!!!!

[Winehole23]

Timothy Mellon is the donor

Old money elite


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4usmserhjqkvhldgedfjb3jw/bafkreihg3lpz74ubocwxmmzaiuqksy3ta74lij36wyhwq3c2k rqbsiut5e@jpeghtps://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/25/us/politics/timothy-mellon-donation-troops.html

[BadMotorscooter]

Wanna talk about Soros, Whine Whore?

[ChumpDumper]

Wanna talk about Soros, Whine Whore?

Sure. What about him?

[Spurs Homer]

One way to make sure everyone knows you are one of the pedophiles being protected by the trump pedophile administration...

is to donate millions and millions of dollars DIRECTLY to the pedophile-in-chief himself.

Only question is did the Mellon donor rape girls or boys?

[ChumpDumper]

One way to make sure everyone knows you are one of the pedophiles being protected by the trump pedophile administration...

is to donate millions and millions of dollars DIRECTLY to the pedophile-in-chief himself.

Only question is did the Mellon donor rape girls or boys?

Maybe not him -- but his dad is definitely in the Epstein files.

1982474082307260833

https://x.com/anthon7yandrews/status/1982474082307260833

[ChumpDumper]

Going great.

1982642046247591947

https://x.com/politico/status/1982642046247591947

[Winehole23]

Wanna talk about Soros, Whine Whore?what about him and how does he relate to this thread?

[Blake]

Going great.

1982642046247591947

https://x.com/politico/status/1982642046247591947

This is why military members must be able to do a bunch of push ups and sit ups. So that stuff like losing aircraft doesn't happen.

[Winehole23]

And stop using my tax dollar to pay for roads. It would be way cheaper to have competing companies fight for my toll road money!!!!Education, infrastructure, public health and transportation at a minimum (I would add banking and to some-greater-extent-than- now housing) should be state provided to assure a lower cost of living for everyone, including business

Other than that, capitalism generally seems to work better until something better gets here

[SnakeBoy]

1983164355999883548

Smoked 'em

[Blake]

1983164355999883548

Smoked 'em

Nobel War Prize nominee

[ChumpDumper]

1983164355999883548

Smoked 'em

Smoked who?

For what?

Based on what evidence?

Emotional fragility?

You guys can't even murder people from the correct country.

Why are you so bad at everything?

[Blake]

Smoked who?

For what?

Based on what evidence?

Emotional fragility?

Someone on the boat was seen wearing a No Kings t shirt

[Winehole23]

what a bigoted asshole

picking on Muslim, Sikh and black soldiers


Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth won’t meet with any “beardos” serving in South Korea.


Service members stationed in the Pacific recently received notice that enlistees with shaving waivers will not be allowed to attend Hegseth’s upcoming Camp Humphreys rally, according to military site Task & Purpose.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2025-10-28/hegseth-troops-beards-south-korea-19577108.html

[koriwhat]

what a bigoted asshole

picking on Muslim, Sikh and black soldiers

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2025-10-28/hegseth-troops-beards-south-korea-19577108.html

You're so concerned with beards, making this out to be a race or cultural fight to be had. Everyone that signs up for the military are nothing more than gov't property at the end of the day. If they didn't like rules then they shouldn't had signed up for the job.

Why not cry over actual pressing issues instead of feigning over every damn miniscule thing that isn't pressing in the least?

[ChumpDumper]

You're so concerned with beards, making this out to be a race or cultural fight to be had. Everyone that signs up for the military are nothing more than gov't property at the end of the day. If they didn't like rules then they shouldn't had signed up for the job.

Why not cry over actual pressing issues instead of feigning over every damn miniscule thing that isn't pressing in the least?
The rule when they signed up was they could have beards.

[koriwhat]

Brooke, understand, no matter how much you obsess over getting a reply from me, whether pertaining to the context of your posts or not, your incessant need to harass me is pathetic. You seem to be under the impression that your opinions are worth more than gold and everyone should be forced to read your posts. I don't read any of your replies to me, nada, and even though you might get that dopamine hit even from a snarky reply back, your time would be better spent debating or having conversations with those that are inclined to participate; I am not interested in any such dialog with you, ever.

Find something to fixate over IRL or another user here online. Your continuous harassment is downright pathetic.

[ChumpDumper]

Brooke, understand, no matter how much you obsess over getting a reply from me, whether pertaining to the context of your posts or not, your incessant need to harass me is pathetic. You seem to be under the impression that your opinions are worth more than gold and everyone should be forced to read your posts. I don't read any of your replies to me, nada, and even though you might get that dopamine hit even from a snarky reply back, your time would be better spent debating or having conversations with those that are inclined to participate; I am not interested in any such dialog with you, ever.

Find something to fixate over IRL or another user here online. Your continuous harassment is downright pathetic.

Blah blah blah.

You're a failed doxxer. Quit threatening posters.

[Winehole23]

may not be long before Trump tells Hegseth to start bombing Americans


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Wednesday that the Pentagon (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military) carried out another "lethal kinetic strike" at President Donald Trump's (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump) direction on a vessel in the eastern Pacific Ocean that killed four men.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pete-hegseth-says-us-military-carried-another-strike-alleged-drug-boat-rcna240671

[Winehole23]

totally sketch


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:eqtfqntwixcnk2fn6im5ntwr/bafkreic3t4fdgtxvewyfphpkipra6k6wtretut2zgx6tjibl6 [email protected]/2025/10/30/u... (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/30/us/politics/trump-democrats-boat-strikes.htmlb)

[BadMotorscooter]

may not be long before Trump tells Hegseth to start bombing Americans

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pete-hegseth-says-us-military-carried-another-strike-alleged-drug-boat-rcna240671


and democrats still continue to lose voters.....:lmao

[Winehole23]

Bush pioneered it, Obama normalized it, now we have a totally deranged and off the rails president who will kill whoever he wants



https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:2amnkge5a6hplfwyesmxqkfl/bafkreiags7n2ho3gmqbdxkyolyvw7fyvkxdi3dn344yp6ids4 243n7tlka@jpeg

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:2amnkge5a6hplfwyesmxqkfl/bafkreibrkizgbksiprm7auwy26jj5pup7qrw2okiroa5koqrc ftgpxym5m@jpeghttps://newrepublic.com/article/202537/trump-boat-bombings-venezuela-alarm-bells

[BadMotorscooter]

Whinehole still frightened like a 14 year old school girl......lmao. But he wasnt frightened with the borders open with Biden as President and Americans at risk.....go figure. Hes more concerned about non Americans than Americans....but who didnt know that?

[Winehole23]

Open borders is a myth, immigration enforcement was very robust under Biden

Our broken immigration system wasn't ready for the post COVID surge and wouldn't have been no matter who was in charge -- the vibrant US economy (while everyone else in the world was recovering much more slowly) was mostly to blame

That said, the immigrant surge wasn't more dangerous to Americans than other Americans and almost surely contributed to our robust post-COVID recovery -- immigration makes the US safer and richer, on the whole

In passing, the idea that some people have more moral worth than others based on country of origin is bigotry and is per se immoral

[Winehole23]

Criticism of the US bombing campaign has also come from Republicans, most prominently from Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY). “No one said their name, no one said what evidence, no one said whether they’re armed, and we’ve had no evidence presented,” Paul said this week (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/27/rand-paul-trump-military-airstrikes-venezuela) of the people who have been targeted. “They summarily execute people without presenting evidence to the public … so it’s wrong.”

[Winehole23]

Hegseth is a blockhead, this has nothing to do with readiness, especially for his job



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[Winehole23]

I thought tire flipping was a one-person exercise...

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

(gets a junior officer to help with the heavy lifting)

[Winehole23]

Nigeria trolls Trump's pretextual bullshit


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[Winehole23]

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[Blake]

Hegseth is a blockhead, this has nothing to do with readiness, especially for his job



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Ready for what exactly?

[BadMotorscooter]

Smoked who?

For what?

Based on what evidence?

Emotional fragility?

You guys can't even murder people from the correct country.

Why are you so bad at everything?

Why are guys so bad at winning an election....couldnt even win a swing state in the last Presidential election. Couldnt get control of the Senate or the House and now losing even more voters in droves.....why are you guys so bad at everything?

[ChumpDumper]

Why are guys so bad at winning an election....couldnt even win a swing state in the last Presidential election. Couldnt get control of the Senate or the House and now losing even more voters in droves.....why are you guys so bad at everything?That was the inflation Trump hasn't fixed.

[Winehole23]

on deck: acquisition reform


Todd Harrison, a budget and acquisition expert with American Enterprise Institute, said that the memo showcases a clear sea change from the last wave of defense acquisition reform, where defense officials primarily focused on lowering cost.


“What it does not acknowledge is that there’s always an inherent trade off between cost, schedule and performance,” he said. “He’s [Hegseth is] saying, of those three, I want to prioritize speed. What he’s not saying is, ‘I’m willing to accept higher costs and lower performance.’ But that is the reality, that when you prioritize one, you’re making sacrifices in one or both of the others.”
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/11/dod-draft-memo-acquisition-reform-hegseth-commercial-scorecard-exclusive/

[koriwhat]

I thought tire flipping was a one-person exercise...

I wouldn't make fun of it at all. I used to flip tires behind the gym and hit them with sledge hammers too when I was training. It's not easy and that tire is double the size the one we had. Just stop hating to hate already, bro.

Being ready means being in shape, being sharp, and staying on point. You can't do that with woke bs or fatties.

[koriwhat]

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I see no difference considering Acosta was there at one time and none of yall bitched about his antics. At least she's somewhat right at times though I do think she's a sleeze.

[Winehole23]

I see no difference considering Acosta was there at one time and none of yall bitched about his antics. At least she's somewhat right at times though I do think she's a sleeze.Loomer is a loon

Uttlerly batshit crazypants

[koriwhat]

Loomer is a loon

Uttlerly batshit crazypants

And Acosta?

[Winehole23]

And Acosta?a very typical self-important journalist, tbh

Acosta for sure doesn't know how to suck Donald Trump's d!ck right

[Winehole23]

Republican Senators spilling the tea to the press


Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark, listed several: the pause (https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2025/07/pentagon-confirms-its-holding-weapons-promised-ukraine/406500/) in Ukrainian security assistance, the uncoordinated review of the AUKUS agreement (https://www.defenseone.com/business/2025/06/aukus-review-emerged-after-talks-counterparts-secdef-says/406173/), opposition (https://www.semafor.com/article/06/14/2025/a-split-in-trumps-israel-policy) to deploying more U.S. troops to the Middle East during the Iran-Israel war in June, the cancellation (https://apnews.com/article/japan-us-tariffs-trade-trump-d6fd859e1343663d0a734eb89ee5ac2a) of a meeting among top Japanese and U.S. officials, and the recent cancellation (https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/10/29/congress/top-republicans-slam-trump-administrations-troop-drawdown-in-romania-00627460)of a rotational Army brigade deployment to Romania.


“I understand that media reports can be wrong, believe me, but it just seems like there's this Pigpen (https://www.peanuts.com/about/pigpen)-like mess coming out of the policy shop that you don't see from, say, intel and security and acquisition and sustainment,” Cotton said.
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2025/11/pentagons-policy-shop-pigpen-mess-sen-cotton/409297/

[Winehole23]

It’s not clear whether the senators’ ire for the Pentagon’s policy shop will upend Dahmer’s chances at confirmation. A spokesman for Wicker did not respond to a query from Defense One about whether the senator intended to vote in the affirmative.


“Mr. Dahmer, you're clearly avoiding answers to questions that you should have been acutely aware of in your position,” Reed said. “That does not bode very well for your future role in the Department of Defense, since it's essential that this committee has accurate and specific knowledge, and I think you've essentially indicated to us that you won't cooperate with us.”

[Winehole23]

Daniel Larison with a no bullshit take

These boat bombings are straight up murder



The Trump administration murdered (https://www.reuters.com/world/us-strikes-alleged-drug-carrying-vessels-eastern-pacific-killing-six-2025-11-10/) six more civilians in the Pacific:



The United States struck two alleged drug-carrying vessels in the eastern Pacific Ocean on Sunday, killing six people on board, U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said on Monday, as calls mounted for investigations into the strikes.


The U.S. military has murdered more than 70 people in the Caribbean and the Pacific over the last two months. The president and the Secretary of Defense have given illegal orders to kill civilians on these boats at least 18 times and every time the orders have been carried out. The president wants to use the military as his own assassins, and it appears that no one is willing to refuse that assignment.


The government has a secret list (https://theintercept.com/2025/11/07/trump-dto-list-venezuela-boat-strikes/) of 24 organizations that it considers “designated terrorist organizations.” At least one of the groups, the so-called Cartel de los Soles, doesn’t really exist (https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250828-us-targets-venezuela-over-soles-cartel-does-it-exist). Others have little to do with the drug trade. The rest are drug cartels that have nothing to do with terrorism. One thing they all have in common is that they aren’t engaged in an armed conflict with the United States. The “conflict” is completely made-up because no one is attacking or threatening to attack the U.S. or American forces in the region. The administration’s justification for the murder spree is a lie built on top of a lie built on top of another lie.


The Intercept spoke (https://theintercept.com/2025/11/07/trump-dto-list-venezuela-boat-strikes/) to Brian Finucane about the administration’s secret list, and he said this:



“The administration has established a factual and legal alternate universe for the executive branch,” said Brian Finucane, a former State Department lawyer who is a specialist in counterterrorism issues and the laws of war. “This is the president, purely by fiat, saying that the U.S. is in conflict with these undisclosed groups without any congressional authorization. So this is not just a secret war, but a secret unauthorized war. Or, in reality, a make-believe war, because most of these groups we probably couldn’t even be in a war with.”


The administration’s own briefings have confirmed that they don’t know who the people on the boats are, and they aren’t interested in finding out. Thanks to news reporting, we are slowly getting a better picture of who the president’s murder victims are. The Associated Press investigated (https://apnews.com/article/trump-venezuela-boat-strikes-drugs-cocaine-trafficking-95b54a3a5efec74f12f82396a79617ea) earlier U.S. boat attacks and mostly found poor men trying to make a living:



One was a fisherman struggling to eke out a living on $100 a month. Another was a career criminal. A third was a former military cadet. And a fourth was a down-on-his-luck bus driver.
The men had little in common beyond their Venezuelan seaside hometowns and the fact all four were among the more than 60 people killed since early September when the U.S. military began attacking boats that the Trump administration alleges were smuggling drugs.

Many of these men may have been criminals, but they were at most small-time smugglers looking for ways to make a little more money for their families. They had done nothing that could possibly justify killing them, and they were no threat to the military that blew them up. To call these men “narco-terrorists” is a lie, and to murder them because of that lie is utterly despicable.


The president cannot lawfully do any of the things he has been doing with these strikes. These boats aren’t lawful targets. The men on the boats aren’t combatants. There is no conflict and no threat of armed attack. Even if there were a conflict going on, these strikes would still be war crimes. There is absolutely no legal or moral justification for these attacks. The military’s own lawyers must know this, but they have been cowed into silence by war crimes enthusiast Pete Hegseth.


This is one of the men (https://apnews.com/article/trump-venezuela-boat-strikes-drugs-cocaine-trafficking-95b54a3a5efec74f12f82396a79617ea) that was murdered on the president’s orders:



A native of Güiria, a village on the southeast side of the peninsula, Robert Sánchez dropped out of school as a teenager and like many others in the region became a fisherman like his father, according to friends and relatives. The 42-year-old was considered among the peninsula’s best pilots, they said, having spent the better part of three decades mastering the area’s currents and winds, so much so he could navigate the waters at night without instruments.
As part of hired crews, the father of four spent his days fishing for snapper, kingfish and dogfish. The fisherman wanted to save enough money to buy a 75-horsepower boat engine so he could operate his own boat and not work for others. It was a dream Sánchez knew he was likely to never realize, relatives said: Most of his income — about $100 a month — went to feed his children.

Was Robert Sánchez a threat to the United States or to any other country? To ask the question is to understand how insane and vicious our government’s policy is. Of course he wasn’t a threat. He was a poor man hired to pilot a boat, and for that “offense” our military blew him up. Murdering him will have no effect on the drug trade, but it has stolen this father from his children and left them in an even worse condition than they were before.


Every time the military blows up another boat, it is executing more poor men without trial or even the slightest pretense of due process for a crime that doesn’t carry the death penalty. These men are not enemies of our country, and our government has no right to take their lives. It is crucial that we learn the names of the victims and demand that the murder spree stops. The administration is slaughtering these men in our name, and if we fail to stop them we will be letting them get away with mass murder.
https://daniellarison.substack.com/p/the-presidents-murder-spree-continues-364

[Winehole23]

division in Five Eyes, is that a good thing?



The United Kingdom is no longer sharing intelligence with the US about suspected drug trafficking vessels in the Caribbean because it does not want to be complicit in US military strikes and believes the attacks are illegal, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.


The UK’s decision marks a significant break from its closest ally and intelligence sharing partner and underscores the growing skepticism over the legality of the US military’s campaign around Latin America.


For years, the UK, which controls a number of territories in the Caribbean where it bases intelligence assets, has helped the US locate vessels suspected of carrying drugs so that the US Coast Guard could interdict them, the sources said. That meant the ships would be stopped, boarded, its crew detained, and drugs seized.


The intelligence was typically sent to Joint Interagency Task Force South, a task force stationed in Florida that includes representatives from a number of partner nations and works to reduce the illicit drug trade.


But shortly after the US began launching lethal strikes against the boats in September, however, the UK grew concerned that the US might use intelligence provided by the British to select targets. British officials believe the US military strikes, which have killed 76 people, violate international law, the sources said. The intelligence pause began over a month ago, they said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/11/politics/uk-suspends-caribbean-intelligence-sharing-us

[Winehole23]

wanton murder does not encourage allies to cooperate and share intelligence


Colombian President Gustavo Petro ordered Colombian public security forces to suspend intelligence sharing with U.S. intelligence agencies until Washington stops attacking boats in the Caribbean.


"The fight against drugs must be subordinated to the human rights of the Caribbean people," Petro said in a post on X, referencing the two countries' history of collaboration against drug trafficking.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombia-president-orders-suspension-intelligence-sharing-with-us-2025-11-12/

[Winehole23]

worth it how?


Trump's Pentagon name change could cost up to $2 billion

Officially changing the Department of Defense to the Department of War can only be done by Congress and would require updating thousands of signs, rewriting digital code and creating new letterheads, placards and badges.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trumps-pentagon-name-change-cost-2-billion-rcna242438

[Blake]

worth it how?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trumps-pentagon-name-change-cost-2-billion-rcna242438

Because it's bad ass!

Now let's get back to DOGE cutting real programs and jobs that aren't bad ass.

[Winehole23]

(war drums in the Caribbean)

[Winehole23]

Emil Bove --> The Hague


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[Winehole23]

Bret Stephens, NYT


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[Winehole23]

Hegseth threating Mark Kelly for pissing off Trump is loser shit

[Winehole23]

Also, lol an alcoholic TV host picking a fight with an astronaut/US Congress member

[ChumpDumper]

This one is even more an automatic L than Comey was.

[Winehole23]

This one is even more an automatic L than Comey was.Trumplandia doesn't have a good sense of when it has already lost

[ChumpDumper]

Trumplandia doesn't have a good sense of when it has already lost

Seems fairly clear the Kelly announcement was timed to distract from the massive Comey L.

[Winehole23]

Seems fairly clear the Kelly announcement was timed to distract from the massive Comey L.covering one loss with another

an ostensible losing strategy

[Winehole23]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F2%2F2025%2F01%2Fkellym ark_011425gn01_w.jpg%3Fw%3D900&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=342b9faff54c622e3e4742959b15495b74fd24887a05fb 4f8d2cceaa5771ec4f


My wife, Gabby Giffords, meeting with her constituents, shot in the head. Six people killed around her, a horrific thing. She spent six months in the hospital. We know what political violence is and we know what causes it too, The statements that Donald Trump made incites others.

[Winehole23]

that's pretty hard, tbh -- but Kelly just got threatened by SECDEF

Gabby Giffords got shot in 2011

recalled by heart, I think it was Sarah Palin who put the crosshairs on Giffords

[Winehole23]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169927

[Winehole23]

Hegseth going to war against the Boy Scouts because they don't discriminate against gays

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Congress requires the Pentagon to support the scouting program's Jamboree, a gathering of thousands of young scouts held every three or four years. The U.S. military lends trucks, ambulances and medical teams, and puts on aviation and skydiving demonstrations, all at no cost to the Scouts. For the military, it's both a training exercise and an opportunity to recruit highly motivated, civic-minded kids.


But the law includes an exemption: the Secretary of Defense can withhold support  if he determines providing it would be "detrimental to national security."


Drafts of a report to Congress obtained by NPR show Hegseth invoking that clause — accusing Scouting America of fostering "gender confusion."


His memo to the House and Senate Armed Services committees argues the Scouts have strayed from their mission to "cultivate masculine values." It also claims that with international conflicts and a tight budget, sending troops, doctors and vehicles to a 10-day youth event would harm national security by diverting resources from border operations and protecting U.S. territory.


https://www.npr.org/2025/11/25/nx-s1-5615164/pentagon-scouting-hegseth-cut-ties

[Winehole23]

clown shoes


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[Blake]

clown shoes


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Why does he put "captain" in quotes? He's like a character from a bad sitcom.

[Winehole23]

pure propaganda from Hegseth

his public comments are tainting any future court martial -- improper command influence

[Winehole23]

Why does he put "captain" in quotes? He's like a character from a bad sitcom.


We're going to prosecute you for sedition, but first...we'll do a uniform inspection!

[Winehole23]

Why does he put "captain" in quotes? He's like a character from a bad sitcom.the mirror image community note is bullshit, nevertheless, Hegseth is beclowning himself

[koriwhat]

Lol I can't wait until traitors are hung again. :tu

[Winehole23]

Lol I can't wait until traitors are hung again. :tuyou might have to wait til 2029

[Blake]

Kori wants to hang all the J6ers.

[koriwhat]

Kori wants to hang all the J6ers.

Some. About 250 of them is a good start + the j6 bs committee appointed by the last admin. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Why?

Did Tim Pool tell you so?

[Winehole23]

price of poker just went down


CNN reports the Pentagon is now looking at reducing the military rank and pension pay of Sen. Mark Kelly (D-Ariz) over a video he participated in that urged troops to disregard illegal orders.


“It certainly is a downshift from yesterday when they were saying a court martial was in order,” said CNN Chief National Affairs Correspondent Jeff Zeleny.



“They are losing in the independent judiciary, but inside the administration is a place where administration officials win because they control the rules,” Zeleny explained, adding the martial justice system is a “more favorable venue” for the commander-in-chief.


“It also shows that this White House is going to use institutions and agencies that have historically had independence and turn them into a means to punish political foes of the president,” noted CNN Political analyst Zolan Kanno-Youngs.
https://www.alternet.org/mark-kelly-trump/

[Blake]

price of poker just went down

https://www.alternet.org/mark-kelly-trump/

If they reduce his pension pay over that he'll sue the shit out of them. And win. Easily.

[Spurs Homer]

Court-martial military judge: "So, Captain/Astrofuckinaut/senafuckintor/warfuckinaviator Kelly...did you order the tik-tok
reminding sworn military personnel to never follow illegal orders!?"

Kelly: "yes - your honor...may i please - ...."

Judge: (losing patience) "...interrupting- did you order the tik tok?"

Kelly: "your honor..let me begin..."

Judge: (screaming#$*) " DID YOU ORDER THE TIK TOK?!"

Kelly: "you're goddamn right i did!"


Judge: "case dismissed....(mutters under breath) ..which dipshit brought this case...."

[Winehole23]

Hague-seth

Deliberately killing castaways and injured swimmers is strictly a war crime under international and US law


Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck. The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack ... ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions.https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/11/28/hegseth-kill-them-all-survivors-boat-strike/

[Winehole23]

anyone hors de combat, really

[BadMotorscooter]

drivel after drivel.....:lmao

[Winehole23]

Bad Motorcycle fancier just likes to talk about me

Anything but the politics

[Winehole23]

https://www.executedtoday.com/2009/11/30/1945-heinz-eck-u-boat-commander/

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Hegseth waffles on lethality


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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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https://www.scribd.com/document/269684452/Chapter-18-Enforcement-of-Law-of-War

[Blake]

Hegseth waffles on lethality


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Pussy in charge of the Dept of War

[ChumpDumper]

I’ll take Andrew McCarthy’s legal opinion over yours and Nono’s. No hard feelings.

1994950634869854347

https://x.com/AndrewCMcCarthy/status/1994950634869854347

No hard feelings.

[koriwhat]

Pussy in charge of the Dept of War

I wouldn't call anyone a pussy if I were you. Seriously, bro.

[koriwhat]

I hope we keep KILLING all narcoterrorists! All of them dead should be the end goal.

[ChumpDumper]

^unhinged bloodlust

[Blake]

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What a pussy

[ChumpDumper]

I hope we keep KILLING all narcoterrorists! All of them dead should be the end goal.

The United States specifically charged [Honduran ex-president Juan Orlando] Hernández with accepting millions of dollars in bribes from narcotraffickers since 2004, and in particular the Sinaloa Cartel, led at the time by Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, since 2012. The indictment states that Tony Hernández collected the bribes using men armed with machine guns; in exchange, Juan Orlando Hernández conspired to protect smugglers from investigation and arrest, specifically providing "access to law enforcement and military information, including data from flight radar in Honduras."

Hernández's trial began on 21 February 2024 in New York City and concluded on 8 March, when he was found guilty of drug trafficking. On 26 June, he was sentenced to 45 years in prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Orlando_Hernández#U.S._drug_trafficking_inves tigation,_arrest,_extradition_and_conviction

1994528369879519425

https://x.com/SebastianAFP/status/1994528369879519425

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What a pussy

Still nothing of substance coming from you on any such subject here on ST. You seem to be in a state of endless coping.

[Winehole23]

Andrew McCarthy at NR

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[Winehole23]

(Kegseth needs a pardon, a lot of people will soon)

[Winehole23]

Trump distancing himself from the second strike


"I don’t know that that happened and Pete said he did not want them, even know what people were talking about, so we'll look in –we'll look into it," Trump told reporters. "But no, I wouldn’t have wanted a second strike. The first strike was very lethal, it was fine, and if there were two people around, but Pete said that didn't happen. I have great confidence."https://www.rawstory.com/trump-hegseth-second-strike/

[Winehole23]

no cover from the GOP Senate leader before the oversight hearings start

last week Hegseth was acting like he was going to recall Mark Kelly and court-martial him





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[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ekts44pfepbmryv2h633onqu/bafkreiaryk3bqgsby34yalcqpuijsjdbjk6n7f2fin22rtk27 72c24rgoe@jpeg

[Winehole23]

Hegseth throws Bradley under the bus


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[Winehole23]

sacrifices subordinates to save his own hide, as a war-fighter does

[Winehole23]

"I give you unlawful orders, you will be punished for them"

[Winehole23]

"The buck stops...over there"

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:svawqo4jxobyyuqmixplvcux/bafkreic54srgp5wssl4wr3gkvupabybwscqhbluwjsrdxzdod 467z54ho4@jpeghttps://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/12/01/hegseth-caine-boat-strikes-caribbean/

[Winehole23]

when you piss off a vast bureaucracy by throwing subordinates under the bus for your own criminal decisions, leaks can develop


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:mcxwgi6ytwp72kzqmujcixep/bafkreiapsx5atfmizlyn65z7yyl5iwqkh7mi4somm5dkbxlse f6vg6kkr4@jpeghttps://www.wsj.com/politics/white-house-says-second-strike-on-alleged-drug-boat-was-legal-951a19d6

[velik_m]

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE LAW OF WAR MANUAL

18.3.2.1 Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations. The
requirement to refuse to comply with orders to commit law of war violations applies to orders to
perform conduct that is clearly illegal or orders that the subordinate knows, in fact, are illegal.
For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.[27] Similarly, orders to
kill defenseless persons who have submitted to and are under effective physical control would
also be clearly illegal.28 On the other hand, the duty not to comply with orders that are clearly
illegal would be limited in its application when the subordinate is not competent to evaluate
whether the rule has been violated.29
Subordinates are not required to screen the orders of superiors for questionable points of
legality, and may, absent specific knowledge to the contrary, presume that orders have been
lawfully issued

[27] Judgement in Case of Lieutenants Dithmar and Boldt, Hospital Ship “Llandovery Castle” (Second Criminal
Senate of the Imperial Court of Justice, Germany, Jul. 16, 1921), reprinted in 16 AJIL, 708, 721-22 (1922) (“It is
certainly to be urged in favor of the military subordinates, that they are under no obligation to question the order of
their superior officer, and they can count upon its legality. But no such confidence can be held to exist, if such an
order is universally known to everybody, including also the accused, to be without any doubt whatever against the
law. This happens only in rare and exceptional cases. But this case was precisely one of them, for in the present
instance, it was perfectly clear to the accused that killing defenceless people in the life-boats could be nothing else
but a breach of the law. As naval officers by profession they were well aware, as the naval expert Saalwiachter has
strikingly stated, that one is not legally authorized to kill defenceless people. They well knew that this was the case
here. They quickly found out the facts by questioning the occupants in the boats when these were stopped. They
could only have gathered, from the order given by Patzig, that he wished to make use of his subordinates to carry out
a breach of the law. They should, therefore, have refused to obey.”).


https://ogc.osd.mil/Portals/99/department_of_defense_law_of_war_manual.pdf

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Jesus Christ

1995950680058855646

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1995950680058855646

[TSA]

Hague-seth

Deliberately killing castaways and injured swimmers is strictly a war crime under international and US law

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=InterVariable]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/11/28/hegseth-kill-them-all-survivors-boat-strike/

Do you deliberately come here to spread disinformation or are you just so stupid that you fall for it every, single, time?

And :lol at referring to designated terrorists in a stateless flagless boat running narcotics as "castaways and injured swimmers" :lmao You are fucking shameless

If this board wasn't so dead and there were more than five people here to embarrass you in front of I'd take the time to insert every bluesky screen shot and link you posted into the below to show how you fell for this every single step of the way. Strange how your constant updates stopped once the NYT piece broke.



Long explainer:

Let’s examine the emerging “scapegoat” narrative, because it demonstrates the true objective of the Democrat/Regime Media/Fredocon axis - to hurt Trump politically and to stop the changing of the Pentagon from a leftist-supporting social pathology Petri dish back into a patriotic war-fighting force that can effectively prevent the eventual color revolution they are working toward.

At the threshold, let’s understand that there was nothing illegal here. Even under the facts as alleged, which change as they keep shifting the goalposts, there was no violation of the law of war. There was no violation of any Geneva Convention, not least because no Geneva Convention applies here. So, everything I say here is simply taking their story du jour and testing it to see if it makes internal sense. It does not, because it’s all baloney. They don’t care. It’s the lie that’s important.

So, just last week, we had a bunch of Democrats claiming they were just helpfully explaining to our troops that our troops cannot follow illegal orders. The whole basis is that you were going to be issued an illegal order by some Trump higher-up, and that you should disobey it because it’s illegal. This was part of a narrative to tee-up the current fake scandal.

Then, after a Democrat-imported jihadi scumbag murdered a soldier and wounded another, they had to accelerate their narrative and get that embarrassing fact off the front page. So, last Friday, the Washington Post dropped a story by a reporter who has lied about Russiagate, the Hunter Biden laptop, and other anti-Trump hoaxes. This story allegedly has two anonymous sources offering double hearsay that Pete Hegseth gave an order to kill all the narco terrorists in a strike. The operation commander, a SEAL admiral, then gave the order for a first and a second attack on the ship. That was the meat of the story – Pete was personally responsible for ordering the deaths of allegedly helpless narco terrorists.

The Pentagon immediately denied that the story, as a whole, was true. Remember, the gist of the story is that Pete personally ordered the deaths of these drug mules. The regime media and Democrats either claimed that the Pentagon was not denying the story or simply rejected the denials.

The Twitter experts – the ones who suddenly became epidemiologists when Covid hit and economists when Trump imposed tariffs – suddenly became experts in the law of armed conflict. They pointed out that you’re not allowed to kill a shipwrecked enemy. But they didn’t point out that you are allowed to re-attack a vessel that hasn’t sunk yet. There’s no one-shot rule. Between a combination of ignorance and deliberate deception, they’ve tried to erase that.

Well, then the New York Times published an article saying that Pete Hegseth did not personally order the second attack. That attack order came from the operation commander. The original article alleged that Hegseth ordered them all to be killed regardless of their status. Karoline Leavitt at the White House told the press substantially the same thing as the NYT

Well, that revelation was inconvenient to the narrative. Remember, the narrative isn’t about killing drug dealers. It’s about Pete Hegseth personally ordering the killing of them in a way that’s illegal. Now, the facts indicate that Pete Hegseth didn’t do this. He didn’t give the order to kill them. The admiral gave the order to attack the vessel a second time because it was not completely destroyed.

But that doesn’t help their narrative. It needs to be Pete Hegseth. They don’t want some admiral – that doesn’t meet their objective, and normal people are going to look at it and side with the admiral. So, what to do? Well, accuse Pete Hegseth of throwing the Admiral under the bus. Of course, what that would mean is that he is shifting his responsibility onto the admiral. But wait – the NYT says that Pete didn’t have any responsibility to begin with. Further, the Democrats just got through telling us that we shouldn’t obey illegal orders. If anyone should, an admiral should certainly know what an illegal order is.

But let me emphasize, the admiral did nothing wrong. Again, I’m simply charting the internal inconsistencies of this bogus hit on Pete Hegseth.

Now, they are also going with another argument. That is that the entire mission is illegal. They have decided, without support, that it is unlawful for us to destroy enemies who are not part of a nation-state's army from bringing poison into the United States. Now, if they were bringing mustard gas, instead of fentanyl and cocaine, presumably it would be OK to kill them – or maybe not under their logic.

But there’s no free pass. That’s because it’s not the law. They are unlawful combatants, and we can kill them on the high seas. This is why there are no pirates or slavers in the Atlantic. We killed them pursuant to the law. The law has not changed; apparently, we’re only allowed to avail ourselves of the parts of the law that they misinterpret to limit our capacity to defend ourselves, rather than the parts that enable us to defend ourselves from people who kill nearly 100,000 Americans a year

So, that’s where we are. Under the facts as alleged, Pete Hegseth didn’t do anything wrong. He didn’t give this kill order. As a result, the haters have had to shift their arguments. The problem is that their previous arguments about illegal orders have trapped them. If they argue that the entire operation is unlawful, or even that the second strike is unlawful, it would mean that the admiral and the dozens, maybe hundreds, of military people involved are all committing more crimes by giving or following a legal order.

That’s not what they want. They don’t want the admiral or any of the soldiers. They want Pete Hegseth, and now they can’t have him. So, they’re going to throw the whole illegal orders thing out the window and try to change the subject to accusing Hegseth of shifting the blame that he doesn’t bear to the admiral, who, under their theory, does bear it.

Yes, it’s totally inconsistent. No, it doesn’t make any sense. But that’s not its purpose. It has nothing to do with what the facts or evidence, or law say or require. It’s a political hit job designed to get rid of Pete Hegseth and replacing with somebody pliable – many of us know who they prefer - and hurt Trump. Don’t buy into it.

https://x.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1995848544033317255

:lol EVERY
:lol SINGLE
:lol TIME

[ChumpDumper]

:lol the initial kill order is illegal.

Trump and Pete gave that order.

You're a fucking fool.

[Winehole23]

rando Venezuelan and Trini fishermen, drug-runners and gasoline smugglers, are not in any conventional sense combatants, nor are they at war with the US in any usual sense of the word

the pretext that the US is actually at war with them would be ridiculous if it weren't so deadly

narcoterrorist is a neologism, we already have laws about narcotics smuggling and terrorism. I guess Trump had to make up a new superlegal (https://lawexplores.com/models-of-extra-legality-and-illegality-carl-schmitts-lengthening-shadow/) designation to do more superlegal stuff.

[Blake]

Do you deliberately come here to spread disinformation or are you just so stupid that you fall for it every, single, time?

And :lol at referring to designated terrorists in a stateless flagless boat running narcotics as "castaways and injured swimmers" :lmao You are fucking shameless

If this board wasn't so dead and there were more than five people here to embarrass you in front of I'd take the time to insert every bluesky screen shot and link you posted into the below to show how you fell for this every single step of the way. Strange how your constant updates stopped once the NYT piece broke.



Long explainer:

Let’s examine the emerging “scapegoat” narrative, because it demonstrates the true objective of the Democrat/Regime Media/Fredocon axis - to hurt Trump politically and to stop the changing of the Pentagon from a leftist-supporting social pathology Petri dish back into a patriotic war-fighting force that can effectively prevent the eventual color revolution they are working toward.

At the threshold, let’s understand that there was nothing illegal here. Even under the facts as alleged, which change as they keep shifting the goalposts, there was no violation of the law of war. There was no violation of any Geneva Convention, not least because no Geneva Convention applies here. So, everything I say here is simply taking their story du jour and testing it to see if it makes internal sense. It does not, because it’s all baloney. They don’t care. It’s the lie that’s important.

So, just last week, we had a bunch of Democrats claiming they were just helpfully explaining to our troops that our troops cannot follow illegal orders. The whole basis is that you were going to be issued an illegal order by some Trump higher-up, and that you should disobey it because it’s illegal. This was part of a narrative to tee-up the current fake scandal.

Then, after a Democrat-imported jihadi scumbag murdered a soldier and wounded another, they had to accelerate their narrative and get that embarrassing fact off the front page. So, last Friday, the Washington Post dropped a story by a reporter who has lied about Russiagate, the Hunter Biden laptop, and other anti-Trump hoaxes. This story allegedly has two anonymous sources offering double hearsay that Pete Hegseth gave an order to kill all the narco terrorists in a strike. The operation commander, a SEAL admiral, then gave the order for a first and a second attack on the ship. That was the meat of the story – Pete was personally responsible for ordering the deaths of allegedly helpless narco terrorists.

The Pentagon immediately denied that the story, as a whole, was true. Remember, the gist of the story is that Pete personally ordered the deaths of these drug mules. The regime media and Democrats either claimed that the Pentagon was not denying the story or simply rejected the denials.

The Twitter experts – the ones who suddenly became epidemiologists when Covid hit and economists when Trump imposed tariffs – suddenly became experts in the law of armed conflict. They pointed out that you’re not allowed to kill a shipwrecked enemy. But they didn’t point out that you are allowed to re-attack a vessel that hasn’t sunk yet. There’s no one-shot rule. Between a combination of ignorance and deliberate deception, they’ve tried to erase that.

Well, then the New York Times published an article saying that Pete Hegseth did not personally order the second attack. That attack order came from the operation commander. The original article alleged that Hegseth ordered them all to be killed regardless of their status. Karoline Leavitt at the White House told the press substantially the same thing as the NYT

Well, that revelation was inconvenient to the narrative. Remember, the narrative isn’t about killing drug dealers. It’s about Pete Hegseth personally ordering the killing of them in a way that’s illegal. Now, the facts indicate that Pete Hegseth didn’t do this. He didn’t give the order to kill them. The admiral gave the order to attack the vessel a second time because it was not completely destroyed.

But that doesn’t help their narrative. It needs to be Pete Hegseth. They don’t want some admiral – that doesn’t meet their objective, and normal people are going to look at it and side with the admiral. So, what to do? Well, accuse Pete Hegseth of throwing the Admiral under the bus. Of course, what that would mean is that he is shifting his responsibility onto the admiral. But wait – the NYT says that Pete didn’t have any responsibility to begin with. Further, the Democrats just got through telling us that we shouldn’t obey illegal orders. If anyone should, an admiral should certainly know what an illegal order is.

But let me emphasize, the admiral did nothing wrong. Again, I’m simply charting the internal inconsistencies of this bogus hit on Pete Hegseth.

Now, they are also going with another argument. That is that the entire mission is illegal. They have decided, without support, that it is unlawful for us to destroy enemies who are not part of a nation-state's army from bringing poison into the United States. Now, if they were bringing mustard gas, instead of fentanyl and cocaine, presumably it would be OK to kill them – or maybe not under their logic.

But there’s no free pass. That’s because it’s not the law. They are unlawful combatants, and we can kill them on the high seas. This is why there are no pirates or slavers in the Atlantic. We killed them pursuant to the law. The law has not changed; apparently, we’re only allowed to avail ourselves of the parts of the law that they misinterpret to limit our capacity to defend ourselves, rather than the parts that enable us to defend ourselves from people who kill nearly 100,000 Americans a year

So, that’s where we are. Under the facts as alleged, Pete Hegseth didn’t do anything wrong. He didn’t give this kill order. As a result, the haters have had to shift their arguments. The problem is that their previous arguments about illegal orders have trapped them. If they argue that the entire operation is unlawful, or even that the second strike is unlawful, it would mean that the admiral and the dozens, maybe hundreds, of military people involved are all committing more crimes by giving or following a legal order.

That’s not what they want. They don’t want the admiral or any of the soldiers. They want Pete Hegseth, and now they can’t have him. So, they’re going to throw the whole illegal orders thing out the window and try to change the subject to accusing Hegseth of shifting the blame that he doesn’t bear to the admiral, who, under their theory, does bear it.

Yes, it’s totally inconsistent. No, it doesn’t make any sense. But that’s not its purpose. It has nothing to do with what the facts or evidence, or law say or require. It’s a political hit job designed to get rid of Pete Hegseth and replacing with somebody pliable – many of us know who they prefer - and hurt Trump. Don’t buy into it.

https://x.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1995848544033317255

:lol EVERY
:lol SINGLE
:lol TIME

Lol these mental gymnastics.

Lol you fell for pizza

[Winehole23]

the kernel of superlegality is that there are moral concerns -- e.g., crime, corruption, communism, immigration, race-pollution, liberal decadence, terrorism and so forth -- so urgent and overpowering that the law and public decency must yield to the prerogative of the sovereign to create the state of exception to constitutional order and the law to save the country.

(for Carl Schmitt, the sovereign was the living embodiment of the folk and the law -- Hitler. the test of who's a sovereign for Schmitt is creating the state of the exception)

[Winehole23]

^unhinged bloodlustall he does is gargle blood

[Winehole23]

why shouldn't there be a lot of people who want Hegseth gone?

he's a crap leader and incompetent to boot

should have been gone after the Signal affair, tbh

[Winehole23]

putting a liberal journalist on the NATSEC Signal chat about the attack on Yemen wasn't clean opsec

more like the opposite

[Winehole23]

hell, just having a Signal chat about operations is 25 different kinds of fucked up

[Winehole23]

but maybe Trump wants a bloodthirsty sadist in that position, for some reason

[Winehole23]

Vermeule and Posner 2011 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179650&p=5235437&highlight=carl+schmitt#post5235437)

[Winehole23]

Vermeule, 2025


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[Winehole23]

the kernel of superlegality is that there are moral concerns -- e.g., crime, corruption, communism, immigration, race-pollution, liberal decadence, terrorism and so forth -- which are so overpowering and urgent that the law and public decency must yield to the prerogative of the sovereign to create the state of exception to constitutional order and the law to save the country.

(for Carl Schmitt, the sovereign was the living embodiment of the folk and the law -- Hitler. the test of who's a sovereign for Schmitt is creating the state of the exception)I'm real interested to hear what right wing SpursTalkers think about Nazi legal theory

Any takers?

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

If right wing media/social media rile them up enough, ST Trumptards will accept literally anything.

[Winehole23]

If right wing media/social media rile them up enough, ST Trumptards will accept literally anything.they don't seem very riled up now, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

they don't seem very riled up now, tbhThis is true and one reason I think there will be military strikes on the interior soon. Good old fashioned neoconservatism is going to suddenly be back in vogue. It worked on them back then and there is a real wag the dog impetus for it. They can't get riled up about the Epstein files anymore because Trump castrated them. They can't get riled about about Biden's economy because it's Trump's increasingly shitty economy. Xenophobia and racism seem to be the last safe harbors.

[Winehole23]

the blood garglers who are still here in this subforum seem to be very excited about Trump killing Americans, but I wonder how many regular US troops are willing to shoot other Americans for being woke and so forth

my working hypothesis is the slow burn of DHS ramping up and mission creep. moar sekrit polise stuff done in the name of NATSEC. eventually Trump may be forced by expedience to jail adverse legislators and judges and persecute political dissidents.

midterms looking grim for Trump

[Winehole23]

tbh, I'm doubtful MAGA can match the fury of other outraged Americans if Trump undertakes internal military strikes

[Winehole23]

there's just fewer of them

[Winehole23]

Trump was basically beaten to a legal standstill in Oregon and Illinois

LA grand juries no-billed most of DHS's pretextual charges. Ditto DC.

Bovino seems to be picking up the operational tempo so as not to leave an overlengthy legal record before moving on

[ChumpDumper]

Oh domestically the secret police are going to be used for more and more "operations" and will eventually kill American citizens Kent State style. Trump will use the killings as an excuse to escalate further and then we'll actually see who thinks what is worth fighting for.

[Winehole23]

Oh domestically the secret police are going to be used for more and more "operations" and will eventually kill American citizens Kent State style. Trump will use the killings as an excuse to escalate further and then we'll actually see who thinks what is worth fighting for.I think MAGA has underestimated the opposition, forcing crazy liberals to fight for their lives and their ideas could have unanticipated consequences

[Winehole23]

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[ChumpDumper]

I think MAGA has underestimated the opposition, forcing crazy liberals to fight for their lives and their ideas could have unanticipated consequences

At some point, reasonable people (not the ST edgelord racists) will look around and realize this isn't what they think America should be. They've mostly done it already but have only expressed it in polls and the odd off-year election. Trump & Co. are doing nothing to pull out of their death spiral. His worshipers here would rather kill thsmeselves than admit they were wrong -- just look at yoni when asked about his previous veneration of his Bush.:lol

[Winehole23]

Trump was basically beaten to a legal standstill in Oregon and Illinois

LA grand juries no-billed most of DHS's pretextual charges

Bovino seems to be picking up the operational tempo so as not to leave an overlengthy legal record before moving onArticle III courts have been the bulwark against Trump's lawlessness. Trump is already purging immigration judges, I expect him to move on to the federal bench soon.

[Winehole23]

At some point, reasonable people (not the ST edgelord racists) will look around and realize this isn't what they think America should be. They've mostly done it already but have only expressed it in polls and the odd off-year election. Trump & Co. are doing nothing to pull out of their death spiral. His worshipers here would rather kill thsmeselves than admit they were wrong -- just look at yoni when asked about his previous veneration of his Bush.:lolthis is kind of why I think there won't be direct military action against Americans

those pussies who back Trump don't really want the fight, they can see that Trump is a loser too

[Winehole23]

(they can also see they're outnumbered -- by a lot)

[DarrinS]

You people are delusional

There is is no fake news story that you retards won't gobble up and regurgitate

[Winehole23]

like what?

I have no idea what you're talking about Darrin

because as usual, you're just handwaving about the whole thing

[DarrinS]

like what?

I have no idea what you're talking about Darrin

because as usual, you're just handwaving about the whole thing

NYT refutes your retarded narrative

[Winehole23]

NYT refutes your retarded narrativelol you using NYT as a pony

[Winehole23]

I think I know what you're talking about, NYT did cover for Trump/Hegseth

their own secret ssauces

[DarrinS]

The whole story was dumb. You just needed to think

[Winehole23]

it isn't over yet, btw

[Winehole23]

The whole story was dumb. You just needed to thinkwalk us through it, profe

[DarrinS]

I just visit this place occasionally to see what fake news is circulating. Later

[ChumpDumper]

You people are delusional

There is is no fake news story that you retards won't gobble up and regurgitate

What is fake?

There was no order to kill everyone?

Or there was no order for a second strike?

Or it was given just not by Hegseth?

Pick a lane.

[Winehole23]

I just visit this place occasionally to see what fake news is circulating. Lateroh, you have nothing topical to share

what a surprise

[ChumpDumper]

I just visit this place occasionally to see what fake news is circulating.:lmao have you read your Trump's late night social media meltdown?

All of you sure shut the fuck up about that.

[Winehole23]

*just dropping in to call other posters dummies*

(irl DarrinS apparently doesn't have better things to do)

[Winehole23]

(nor anything to comment on, though that would be just as easy as bitching about posts/posters)

[Winehole23]

42,000 posts

"I just visit"

[ChumpDumper]

I mean their Trump shitposted so long and hard all night he couldn't stay awake at his own fluffing session today.

No comment from his fucking loser brigade here.

[Winehole23]

None of them want to talk about the politics

Conservative idpol is very unpopular and they know it

[Winehole23]

and Trump wasting away physically and mentally before our eyes can only be ignored for so long

[Winehole23]

Trump's on the wrong side of a 75-25 popular split on war in Venezuela


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[Spurs Homer]

lolol

TSA - gotta be a professional russkie troll....no fuckin way he didn't just twist himself into a pretzel again to defend kegs-breath and then the cherry on top was throwing out the "you are stupid- can't believe you fell for it again" gem....

and what about that "kegs-breath warrior ethos!"


hahahahahahahahaha!

[ChumpDumper]

Going great.

1996274078445941141

https://x.com/AaronBlake/status/1996274078445941141

[Winehole23]

Hegseth used an unapproved device

Hegseth failed to keep a record of the conversation

Hegseth refused to cooperate with the Pentagon IG

...and refused to hand over his phone

[Winehole23]

(the growing discomfort of Republican Senators should be concerning for Hegseth)

[TSA]

Do you deliberately come here to spread disinformation or are you just so stupid that you fall for it every, single, time?

And :lol at referring to designated terrorists in a stateless flagless boat running narcotics as "castaways and injured swimmers" :lmao You are fucking shameless

If this board wasn't so dead and there were more than five people here to embarrass you in front of I'd take the time to insert every bluesky screen shot and link you posted into the below to show how you fell for this every single step of the way. Strange how your constant updates stopped once the NYT piece broke.



Long explainer:

Let’s examine the emerging “scapegoat” narrative, because it demonstrates the true objective of the Democrat/Regime Media/Fredocon axis - to hurt Trump politically and to stop the changing of the Pentagon from a leftist-supporting social pathology Petri dish back into a patriotic war-fighting force that can effectively prevent the eventual color revolution they are working toward.

At the threshold, let’s understand that there was nothing illegal here. Even under the facts as alleged, which change as they keep shifting the goalposts, there was no violation of the law of war. There was no violation of any Geneva Convention, not least because no Geneva Convention applies here. So, everything I say here is simply taking their story du jour and testing it to see if it makes internal sense. It does not, because it’s all baloney. They don’t care. It’s the lie that’s important.

So, just last week, we had a bunch of Democrats claiming they were just helpfully explaining to our troops that our troops cannot follow illegal orders. The whole basis is that you were going to be issued an illegal order by some Trump higher-up, and that you should disobey it because it’s illegal. This was part of a narrative to tee-up the current fake scandal.

Then, after a Democrat-imported jihadi scumbag murdered a soldier and wounded another, they had to accelerate their narrative and get that embarrassing fact off the front page. So, last Friday, the Washington Post dropped a story by a reporter who has lied about Russiagate, the Hunter Biden laptop, and other anti-Trump hoaxes. This story allegedly has two anonymous sources offering double hearsay that Pete Hegseth gave an order to kill all the narco terrorists in a strike. The operation commander, a SEAL admiral, then gave the order for a first and a second attack on the ship. That was the meat of the story – Pete was personally responsible for ordering the deaths of allegedly helpless narco terrorists.

The Pentagon immediately denied that the story, as a whole, was true. Remember, the gist of the story is that Pete personally ordered the deaths of these drug mules. The regime media and Democrats either claimed that the Pentagon was not denying the story or simply rejected the denials.

The Twitter experts – the ones who suddenly became epidemiologists when Covid hit and economists when Trump imposed tariffs – suddenly became experts in the law of armed conflict. They pointed out that you’re not allowed to kill a shipwrecked enemy. But they didn’t point out that you are allowed to re-attack a vessel that hasn’t sunk yet. There’s no one-shot rule. Between a combination of ignorance and deliberate deception, they’ve tried to erase that.

Well, then the New York Times published an article saying that Pete Hegseth did not personally order the second attack. That attack order came from the operation commander. The original article alleged that Hegseth ordered them all to be killed regardless of their status. Karoline Leavitt at the White House told the press substantially the same thing as the NYT

Well, that revelation was inconvenient to the narrative. Remember, the narrative isn’t about killing drug dealers. It’s about Pete Hegseth personally ordering the killing of them in a way that’s illegal. Now, the facts indicate that Pete Hegseth didn’t do this. He didn’t give the order to kill them. The admiral gave the order to attack the vessel a second time because it was not completely destroyed.

But that doesn’t help their narrative. It needs to be Pete Hegseth. They don’t want some admiral – that doesn’t meet their objective, and normal people are going to look at it and side with the admiral. So, what to do? Well, accuse Pete Hegseth of throwing the Admiral under the bus. Of course, what that would mean is that he is shifting his responsibility onto the admiral. But wait – the NYT says that Pete didn’t have any responsibility to begin with. Further, the Democrats just got through telling us that we shouldn’t obey illegal orders. If anyone should, an admiral should certainly know what an illegal order is.

But let me emphasize, the admiral did nothing wrong. Again, I’m simply charting the internal inconsistencies of this bogus hit on Pete Hegseth.

Now, they are also going with another argument. That is that the entire mission is illegal. They have decided, without support, that it is unlawful for us to destroy enemies who are not part of a nation-state's army from bringing poison into the United States. Now, if they were bringing mustard gas, instead of fentanyl and cocaine, presumably it would be OK to kill them – or maybe not under their logic.

But there’s no free pass. That’s because it’s not the law. They are unlawful combatants, and we can kill them on the high seas. This is why there are no pirates or slavers in the Atlantic. We killed them pursuant to the law. The law has not changed; apparently, we’re only allowed to avail ourselves of the parts of the law that they misinterpret to limit our capacity to defend ourselves, rather than the parts that enable us to defend ourselves from people who kill nearly 100,000 Americans a year

So, that’s where we are. Under the facts as alleged, Pete Hegseth didn’t do anything wrong. He didn’t give this kill order. As a result, the haters have had to shift their arguments. The problem is that their previous arguments about illegal orders have trapped them. If they argue that the entire operation is unlawful, or even that the second strike is unlawful, it would mean that the admiral and the dozens, maybe hundreds, of military people involved are all committing more crimes by giving or following a legal order.

That’s not what they want. They don’t want the admiral or any of the soldiers. They want Pete Hegseth, and now they can’t have him. So, they’re going to throw the whole illegal orders thing out the window and try to change the subject to accusing Hegseth of shifting the blame that he doesn’t bear to the admiral, who, under their theory, does bear it.

Yes, it’s totally inconsistent. No, it doesn’t make any sense. But that’s not its purpose. It has nothing to do with what the facts or evidence, or law say or require. It’s a political hit job designed to get rid of Pete Hegseth and replacing with somebody pliable – many of us know who they prefer - and hurt Trump. Don’t buy into it.

https://x.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1995848544033317255

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https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/1996369433569161520
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[TSA]

I just visit this place occasionally to see what fake news is circulating. Later

It's amazing how dedicated the 4 remaining active posters here are. I can't wait to come back here one day and see winehole23 all by himself still posting and quoting himself. It's not too far off :lol

[ChumpDumper]

https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/1996369433569161520
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Is this war?

Are we at war with Venezuela?

[Winehole23]

On Sept 2 no "war" had been declared yet, there was no way for the boat to know it was in a war zone

Nor was it waging war on the US under any but the most tortured definition

[Blake]

Going great.

1996274078445941141

https://x.com/AaronBlake/status/1996274078445941141

He deserves to get fired. Instead, he'll get promoted somehow.

[Blake]

https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/1996369433569161520
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Smh "potentially"

[Blake]

It's amazing how dedicated the 4 remaining active posters here are. I can't wait to come back here one day and see winehole23 all by himself still posting and quoting himself. It's not too far off :lol

Yeah it's amazing how most of the Trump lovers have distanced themselves from this place. I wonder why.

[ChumpDumper]

TSA shut the fuck up about the Epstein files and he shut the fuck up about Inspectors General just like he shut the fuck up about pizza and weird art and QAnon.

It happens every single time.

[koriwhat]

he's a crap leader and incompetent to boot

Lloyd Austin says, "Hold my beer!"

[ChumpDumper]

Hegseth then chugs Lloyd's beer.

[koriwhat]

I just visit this place occasionally to see what fake news is circulating. Later

Same.


and Trump wasting away physically and mentally before our eyes can only be ignored for so long

LOL Coming from the left who couldn't recognize the corpse of Biden being paraded around but now that Trump's back in office all of a sudden yall have eagle eyes. It's comical and pathetic.


Yeah it's amazing how most of the Trump lovers have distanced themselves from this place. I wonder why.

LOL Nothing but cope.

[TSA]

Hague-seth

Deliberately killing castaways and injured swimmers is strictly a war crime under international and US law

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=InterVariable]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/11/28/hegseth-kill-them-all-survivors-boat-strike/

Navy Adm. Frank "Mitch" Bradley, the commander who oversaw the Sept. 2 operation, briefed small groups of lawmakers on the strikes on Thursday.

Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, and Republican Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters after the classified briefings that Bradley said he had not been ordered by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to "kill everybody," as was reported last week by the Washington Post.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-hegseth-venezuela-boat-strikes-war-crimes-are-they-legal/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=885148449

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[TSA]

Yeah it's amazing how most of the Trump lovers have distanced themselves from this place. I wonder why.

You are retarded, seriously. There weren't many Trump lovers here to begin with. This place started it's death spiral when Trump won his second term and all the embarrassed Dems who said he'd never win again tucked tail and went home...Fuzzy, Spurminator, Pusher, RandomGuy, pgardn, Efman, djohn, boutons, spurraider etc. Your team is a bunch of pussies.

This sub is dead now. Literally like only 4 active posters.

Thanks for letting me kick you around all these years :bobo

[Winehole23]

Smh "potentially"that boat couldn't make it to the US -- it might not have been carrying any drugs

TSA is giving a lot of weight to evidence-free (drugs! narcoterrorists! war!) determinations

(Coast Guard finds drugs on about a quarter of its boat searches)

[Blake]

You are retarded, seriously. There weren't many Trump lovers here to begin with. This place started it's death spiral when Trump won his second term and all the embarrassed Dems who said he'd never win again tucked tail and went home...Fuzzy, Spurminator, Pusher, RandomGuy, pgardn, Efman, djohn, boutons, spurraider etc. Your team is a bunch of pussies.

This sub is dead now. Literally like only 4 active posters.

Thanks for letting me kick you around all these years :bobo

We'll have to disagree who kicks who around here, pizza. You have plenty of pending questions here regarding how better off your life is now versus a year ago that you'll never answer.


And There were plenty of pro Trumpers here before the election. Or at the least plenty of anti-Kamala posters.

It's pretty telling that winehole posts all these daily fuck ups by Trump and Team Swamp and they rarely get refuted. It's pretty funny the one thing you run in here to defend is pretty indefensible. Hegs is an unqualified insecure loser that you love only because your podcast preachers tell you that you must love him. You're a ridiculous moron.

[Winehole23]

there are plenty of lurkers

the great SpursTalk outage took out a lot of posters, the recent right wing embargo goes back a little further, it more or less coincides with recrudescence of L'Affaire Epstein back in August

it makes sense, right-wing SpursTalkers avoid bad news and there's been a lot of bad news to avoid this year

[Winehole23]

We'll have to disagree who kicks who around here, pizza. You have plenty of pending questions here regarding how better off your life is now versus a year ago that you'll never answer.


And There were plenty of pro Trumpers here before the election. Or at the least plenty of anti-Kamala posters.

It's pretty telling that winehole posts all these daily fuck ups by Trump and Team Swamp and they rarely get refuted. It's pretty funny the one thing you run in here to defend is pretty indefensible. Hegs is an unqualified insecure loser that you love only because your podcast preachers tell you that you must love him. You're a ridiculous moron.The idea that anything can be definitively asserted or refuted on a current events/opinion bulletin board is weird from the get go -- differing news coverage of the public record is just that

it's fine to assume à la TSA that one's post definitively stands against all others without argument, but it is boring and not too persuasive

on the other end you've got someone like Yonivore who uses way too many words as a smokescreen to hide behind and to befog other posters, but he does the same lame move of assuming his own source is definitive and omni-sufficient

[ChumpDumper]

Navy Adm. Frank "Mitch" Bradley, the commander who oversaw the Sept. 2 operation, briefed small groups of lawmakers on the strikes on Thursday.

Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, and Republican Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters after the classified briefings that Bradley said he had not been ordered by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to "kill everybody," as was reported last week by the Washington Post.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-hegseth-venezuela-boat-strikes-war-crimes-are-they-legal/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=885148449

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So Bradley went rogue and killed everybody?

Why would he kill everybody unless he was ordered to kill everybody?

They were potential threats because they called someone for help?

[Winehole23]

So Bradley went rogue and killed everybody?

Why would he kill everybody unless he was ordered to kill everybody?

They were potential threats because they called someone for help?Background:

Hegseth forced the SOCOM admiral out because they didn't see eye to eye for a few months

Now another US officer faces legal peril for following Hegseth's commands


https://www.npr.org/2025/10/17/nx-s1-5577626/us-commander-southern-command-venezuela-retire

[Winehole23]

the other admiral wouldn't murder people on evidence-free government assertions, so they tried to pick one who would

and now they're sh!tting backward on him

[Winehole23]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fclip.cafe%2Fclipimg%2Fyou-go-pietersburg-johnny.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=c7120a93966828cefb9173510b3b775e1320f28521be05 44c73874fc8d09c2c7




Lord Kitchener (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0144058/?ref_=ttqu_qu): You go to Pietersburg, Johnny. You deal with the order to shoot the prisoners.
Col. Ian (Johnny) Hamilton (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050482/?ref_=ttqu_qu): What do I say?
Lord Kitchener (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0144058/?ref_=ttqu_qu): I think you know what to say.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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https://www.poetry.com/poem/16958/butchered-to-make-a-dutchman's-holiday (https://www.poetry.com/poem/16958/butchered-to-make-a-dutchman's-holiday)

[Blake]

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Man, he looks like Larry Bird

[Winehole23]

good call, but Larry Bird is a little bit uglier

[Blake]

good call, but Larry Bird is a little bit uglier

Lol

[Winehole23]

is a 1980 movie reference too far in the past?

[Winehole23]

Hegseth cannot leave it alone

DOD social media sh!tposting


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[Winehole23]

TPUSA's wish is Pete Hegseth's command

[Winehole23]

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-what-looks-like-politics-and-imagines-itself-to-be-political-will-one-day-unmask-itself-soren-kierkegaard-41-30-04.jpg

[Winehole23]

how is making a video reminding US officers of their sworn duty to refuse illegal orders a conspiracy to use force against the government?


The Civil War-era seditious conspiracy law requires prosecutors to prove a defendant conspired to use force to oppose US government authority or to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any US law. The crime carries a maximum prison term of 20 years.

“It’s not something that is casually investigated or charged, especially without evidence that a case involves something more than protected speech,” said Alexis Loeb, who was deputy chief of the Capitol siege section at the Washington US attorney’s office that used the statute to secure convictions of Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio and Oath Keepers head Stewart Rhodes. Both men were among those to receive clemency from Trump on his first day in office this year.
“It can cheapen the charge if it becomes thought of as just another tactic to use against one’s political opponents or to deter criticism,” Loeb added.

The FBI typically won’t run investigations out of headquarters, relying on field offices to do so. The prior head of the Washington office, Steven Jensen, was fired (https://news.bgov.com/bloomberg-government-news/fbi-ousting-two-officials-ensnared-in-jan-6-riot-probe-fallout) in August, which he and two other former FBI officials alleged in a lawsuit (https://www.bloomberglaw.com/public/document/DRISCOLLJRetalvPATELetalDocketNo125cv03109DDCSep10 2025CourtDocket?doc_id=X7BRLDKJB378338NSVDUPUKHEOI ) was in retaliation for their insufficient loyalty to Trump. The outcome of this request from headquarters will serve as a key test in how Jensen’s replacement, Darren Cox, withstands pressure to satisfy Trump’s commands.

During an interview that aired on X Nov. 24 (https://x.com/C__Herridge/status/1993159385187598588?t=381), Patel said any investigation into the Democrats will be up to career agents and analysts.

“Is there a lawful predicate to open up an inquiry and investigation or is there not? And that decision will be made by the career agents and analysts here at the FBI,” Patel said.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/fbi-seeks-seditious-conspiracy-probe-of-democratic-lawmakers