Shams: Wemby OUT for the Remainder of the Season

[Mal]

Its sounds like Wemby will be fine after treatment

[spurraider21]

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[Bruno]

It sucks. I just hope Wemby will be able to have an healthy life. He is truly a great young man.

[Joseph Kony]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/NpRjkDKUIYAAAAAd/man-fake-drinking-bleach-man-kys.gif

:lol :lol

[Raven]

6th seed in the Draft?

yes sir.

[Seventyniner]

Three things usually cause DVTs. Injury, a predisposition for clotting (like something genetic or cancer) and stasis (the blood not circulating-make sure you get up and walk around during those long haul flights, lol).
Guessing his was injury.
Spurs will likely check whether he has a predisposition, but that seems unlikely as it might have appeared by now in a professional athlete playing a contact sport.
He will be put on a blood thinner like eliquis, or Xarelto if he ended up with a pulmonary embolism (PE).
PE would be worst case scenario.
If it's really fresh, Eliquis can make it go away very quickly and can completely resolve it.
Unfortunately, one you do get a DVT, you are predisposed for another one.

Even if the cause is injury and not one of the other two?

[CIAPop]

Even if the cause is injury and not one of the other two?

Sadly, yes. Post phlebitic syndrome. More likely to occur in the same spot.
Hopefully it was from injury and not due to something like thoracic outlet syndrome. Might need surgery for that one.

[Chomag]

I'm really glad they caught it. Get well Wemby

[Das Texan]

Time to pump up those trade value figures for guys like Vassell and Keldon baby!

[Mr. Body]

I don't really care about us or the Spurs. I want him to have a healthy life. And I hope that's playing basketball at a high level, which is what he is meant to do.

[Jordan Jackson]

Didn't know you could get a blood clot from an injury. TIL, crazy stuff

Any type of trauma can cause one. My sibling developed one as a result of the way a picc line was inserted.

Pretty easy to treat since they were young at the time. No issues since.

Victor will be fine. He such a good kid - no way the basketball Gods punish him like that. Sounds like a basketball injury/trauma.

Spurs do need to get a proper bigman and do a better job of protecting Wemby’s body. He really took a beating this season. Some of it was over the top.

[Das Texan]

Also get well real soon Vic.

[rascal]

My concern as well. Could just be a PR move to calm the masses while they figure out what's going on with him.

Exactly

They need to remain positive but more likely Spurs are not sure at this time.

[LeBowen]

Spurs do need to get a proper bigman and do a better job of protecting Wemby’s body. He really took a beating this season. Some of it was over the top.

People were shitting on him but CP3 was our second best rebounder in a lot of games. Wemby always had multiple opponents on him when trying to get contested rebounds.

[Killakobe81]

Welp. Tank for Flagg begins!

How serious is this injury? Will he play basketball ever again?

CIA pop made the call from his convalescence bed …
You will tank!!!
Wemby will sit … even if injury is minor.
David and Timmy
Wemby and Flagg book it!
And when it DOES happen I don’t t wanna hear shit about the NBA being rigged

[Ice009]

Man, not sure if you're trying to cheer us up, but I don't care about getting the number 1 pick or anything like that. I'd rather Victor be OK and back to 100%.

Why couldn't it just be a freaking broken leg or broken arm or something. I would have been much happier with a regular type of injury.

[mikec]

Does discovering this shit earlier makes a difference ? Not like before a stroke, but as with cancer

The main concern with a DVT (deep vein thrombosis) is that it can embolize/break off and travel to the lungs and kill you. It's more of a concern with the legs than the arms. It would be rare for a blood clot from the arms to embolize. It's hard to say if we are catching this early. He may have had this for awhile. A blood clot in the arms/legs usually presents as significant swelling/pain but sometimes it may be just a minor ache you can mistake for a muscle pull. And then later find out as the pain gets worse and you get checked out that it's a blood clot.

[mikec]

Thanks for weighing and good to have you here!

As a hematologist, what are your thoughts on the possibility of Wemby playing while on blood thinners? My experience when I had to be on blood thinners briefly (following a minor stroke) was that doctors were very hesitant to have me doing anything that presented a bleeding risk.

Thanks for being here to lend actual expertise to concerned fans!


I agree with your doctors. If you are on blood thinners and fall and hit your head diving for a loose ball or get smashed by someone's elbow, you are at risk of intracranial bleeding. The good thing about the blood thinners we use now is they work very quickly to thin out your blood. And if you have a bleeding complication, you stop it and it is out of your system quickly and then we give antidotes.

[mikec]

thanks for the info, this is good stuff.

i guess ill ask you what i asked my doctor buddy (not a hemotologist, so you'd be a more authoritative figure to ask)... would DVT in the shoulder, without a clot in the lungs, have any explanatory power for shortness of breath or lack of energy?

We call these upper extremity DVTs. The patient will usually present with sudden or worsening shoulder/arm/neck pain or discomfort. I've not seen shortness of breath/fatigue as a presenting symptom unless there is a concurrent pulmonary embolism. I really hope Victor does not have a pulmonary embolism.

[mikec]

This PT says he thinks Wemby will be alright long-term. 3 months of blood-thinners and then reevaluate.

1892639973725372913

Yes, agreed on minimum 3 months of blood thinners. His doctors will repeat another ultrasound in 3 months to see if the blood clot is still present or not. Sometimes there may still be residual clot remaining but it is scar.
If this is Paget-Schroetter syndrome which I suspect, he will be seeing vascular surgery to determine if surgery is needed. Six months of blood thinners is sometimes recommended.

[mikec]

Funny you should mention cancer.

My friend with the lower leg blood clots was sent to see an oncologist even though it's not cancer.

For some reason oncologists seem to have some connection with/insight into this situation.

We are trained in both oncology and hematology.

[mikec]

OK, that doesn't sound good. I thought that might have been the cause of his fatigue, struggling to breath.

I hope Victor recovers for his sake, not for any of us as fans. The kid loves basketball and works super hard. Great person too. It hurts looking back at how hard he played in the all-star game while having this shit happen to him.

Hopefully it's a good thing the Spurs picked this up sooner.



Thanks for posting. I really appreciate you giving us some general information about it.

I asked/posted about it earlier, as I thought the fatigue and breathing may be because of this. If it is not related, what could be causing those issues? Any idea on that? Those are the issues that had me wondering what is going on with him the past week or two. You could clearly see he was struggling out there.

I would want to know if he also has a pulmonary embolism that can cause fatigue/shortness of breath. Upper extremity DVT generally should not affect breathing.

[spurraider21]

thanks for all the info mikec

this is all good stuff and tracks w/ a lot of the internet doctors are saying. really have to hope whatever conditioning issues vic had really were allergy attacks and not related to this...

[Leetonidas]

I assume it's a combo of the allergies and being fatigued from the blood clot. Wemby already gets gassed easily because of his size. Add allergies and the fatigue from dealing with this issue unbeknownst to him and his looking out of it for awhile makes a lot more sense

[mikec]

How do you know he'll have to stay on them the rest of his life? Staying on blood thinners doesn't sound good at all.

How long you stay on blood thinners depends on what is the initial inciting event. Let's say you were hospitalized after a big surgery like a hip replacement and you are laid out in bed for weeks. Or you were traveling by plane for more than 10 hours without moving much and at your destination were mostly sedentary. Or you are pregnant or just delivered a baby. Those are events that can precipitate a deep vein thrombosis and we call them provoked. For them, we recommend minimum 3 months of blood thinners, sometimes up to 6 months if there are ongoing circumstances (ie still bedbound). The reason why it's 3 months is the risk of getting a 2nd blood clot is very low. Sometimes there is an underlying genetic predisposition. Victor may be getting tested for an underlying genetic condition. The risk would be higher if let's say he has a family history of unexplained blood clots. Sometimes a blood clot is a sign of a cancer. Other times it comes on out of the blue without and we call these unprovoked. I see these patients a lot. One day they are fine, the next day their leg is big and swollen or they can't breathe. These patients we recommend staying on blood thinners indefinitely because the risk of getting a 2nd blood clot is high.

[CGD]

I would want to know if he also has a pulmonary embolism that can cause fatigue/shortness of breath. Upper extremity DVT generally should not affect breathing.

Excuse my ignorance, but how does this compare to what Bosh had? Didn't his condition effectively end his career?

[100%duncan]

This is definitely more depressing than 6 tbh. I woke up to this news fml

[mudyez]

Just hope he will be OK...

Sucks to not get that sure thing DPOY and probable All NBA Team but in the end it doesn't matter. Just get well!

[mikec]

That's super interesting. Sounds like it could be due to him being an athlete repetitive training/movements, trauma etc.

The trauma thing, Blizzardwizard mentioned that GG Jackson fell on his right shoulder a few weeks ago. I wonder if that bit of trauma could have contributed to this?
Does anyone remember if this is also around the time he started having breathing issues, started looking fatigued?

The type of trauma that can incite a blood clot is usually much more significant than a fall. Let's say you were in a big car accident and had broken bones, internal bleeding, in the ICU, needing surgery. That's the type of trauma that will incite a blood clot. Your body has a natural ability to prevent excess clotting due to natural blood thinners. When your blood vasculature is no longer intact (ie from major trauma) you start to form a clot to stop bleeding. Most people don't develop DVT. And then there are those who develop them for various reasons known and unknown (genetic, environmental, sometimes lack natural blood thinners).

[100%duncan]

mikec thanks for the info tbh. I've also talked to my doctor family and friends who are also Spurs fans (some casual, some diehard), the things you guys are saying are more or less the same and that the conditioning/shortness of breath SHOULDN'T be connected to this cause if it is, then it's way fucking worse.

[SayTown]

:lol considering whose part of the ownership group now wouldn't doubt they put that out the for the second reason

They are also trying to get a new arena.

[mikec]

Does anyone think the Spurs haven't done a full body scan to look for clots?

Anyone think they haven't done a deep blood draw and genetic sequencing at this point to determine if it's genetic?

Think a bit here. They believe it's injury related and not career ending. I'd be shocked if they don't have that info in hand.

All I know at this point is next time we play Memphis someone needs to put Jackson head first over the scorer's table.

Agreed. Victor has already seen a hematologist, vascular surgeon and had a CT scan.

[gambit1990]

hopefully he makes a full recovery.

at least it's not in the leg.

[Obstructed_View]

The first person I thought of when I heard blood clot was Jerome Kersey.

Maybe I'm getting old but I'm just glad they caught it. Also, do we think this is a factor in why Vic has been sucking wind the last few weeks?

The Spurs lost too many close games to make it up this season. Good picks in a strong draft and maybe a decent coach and the future will be bright.

Get well soon, Victor.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

This whole sentence is giving me Kawhi flashbacks.
They misdiagnosed Danny green for an injury as well iirc. I don’t trust the spurs medical staff anymore, tbh. I just hope they’ve upgraded

[mikec]

I take a laundry list of blood thinners daily for my heart. Are these the same category of thinners or are there different ones for what Wemby has?

Different. There are two steps to form a blood clot. First is your platelets become activated and stick together. Second step is called the coagulation cascade which is basically a long list of reactions involving various proteins made in your liver that ultimately lead to the final formation of a blood clot. For heart attacks, strokes, these are blood clots of the arterial system (aka oxygenated blood coming from the lungs going to the heart and rest of the body. These clots are driven by platelets. So medicines like aspirin work well to prevent platelets from sticking together. For deep vein thrombosis, which are blood clots of the venous system (aka blood that is no longer oxygenated that is going back to the lungs), the blood thinners used are called anticoagulants. They work on the second step (coagulation cascade). Like eliquis, xarelto, pradaxa. Victor will get one of these.

[gambit1990]

hopefully they detected it early.

spurs are optimistic about his return next season ... but that's also something they would say even if they weren't optimistic about that.

[100%duncan]

They misdiagnosed Danny green for an injury as well iirc. I don’t trust the spurs medical staff anymore, tbh. I just hope they’ve upgraded

Idk the context of the post youre replying to but are you implying by saying "as well" that they misdiagnosed Kawhi's? If anything, they diagnosed it correctly to be a career-long degenerative condition. Am I missing anything

[100%duncan]

hopefully they detected it early.

spurs are optimistic about his return next season ... but that's also something they would say even if they weren't optimistic about that.

What, no they wont? They would have kept mum about it. Ah well, tf do we know. We're just coping at this point.

[TE]

Does discovering this shit earlier makes a difference ? Not like before a stroke, but as with cancer
Malignancies may cause procoagulapathy process which would show in tests... not always though

[GAustex]

Told ya to take the under

[Ninja Roach]

Excuse my ignorance, but how does this compare to what Bosh had? Didn't his condition effectively end his career?

Bosh had a genetic condition that predisposed his platelets to clot. Those clots that form have the opportunity to break free and travel to the thinner blood vessels associated with the heart and lungs, thus cutting off blood supply to those vital organs. That condition is unsafe to play with because he'll have to be on blood thinners for the rest of his life to prevent clot formation, which isn't conducive with the physicality required to play basketball.

Everyone involved will be hoping that this was a one-off due to that shoulder injury or some other freak occurrence that Wemby has encountered and not a genetic predisposition. Diagnosing that will require blood tests in which they'll test the blood, specifically, the platelets and proteins like coagulation factors for anomalies indicative of a clotting disorder. Hopefully, nothing appears on diagnostics and this never happens again.

[Ninja Roach]

Idk the context of the post youre replying to but are you implying by saying "as well" that they misdiagnosed Kawhi's? If anything, they diagnosed it correctly to be a career-long degenerative condition. Am I missing anything


Yeah, Nephew was diagnosed correctly. He just didn't like the diagnosis because it had enormous contract ramifications. He managed to find a career-long sucker in the Clippers, though. Good for him, I guess.

[rascal]

Any word on how long Wemby was playing with this blood clot?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

If the cause was some incidental trauma in a basketball game, as you suggest, might not this be a reason for some long-term optimism?

If it were the result of some chronic condition or the result of some repetitive basketball movements, that might be worse for the long term.

(This opinion is given by someone with no medical expertise, but with a whole lotta concern, and, within the last hour or so, a whole lot more alcohol.)
I’ve no medical expertise as well, but from the vids I’ve been watching from medical Twitter it seems like it’s totally possible that a collision could cause the pinching of a vein and cause a blood clot. I could be interpreting wrong though of course

[TE]

Bosh had a genetic condition that predisposed his platelets to clot. Those clots that form have the opportunity to break free and travel to the thinner blood vessels associated with the heart and lungs, thus cutting off blood supply to those vital organs. That condition is unsafe to play with because he'll have to be on blood thinners for the rest of his life to prevent clot formation, which isn't conducive with the physicality required to play basketball.

Everyone involved will be hoping that this was a one-off due to that shoulder injury or some other freak occurrence that Wemby has encountered and not a genetic predisposition. Diagnosing that will require blood tests in which they'll test the blood, specifically, the platelets and proteins like coagulation factors for anomalies indicative of a clotting disorder. Hopefully, nothing appears on diagnostics and this never happens again.
Wemby's probably been screened for these conditions... or is probably on deck to get these assessments soon.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1892738183227396430

[Ice009]

How long you stay on blood thinners depends on what is the initial inciting event. Let's say you were hospitalized after a big surgery like a hip replacement and you are laid out in bed for weeks. Or you were traveling by plane for more than 10 hours without moving much and at your destination were mostly sedentary. Or you are pregnant or just delivered a baby. Those are events that can precipitate a deep vein thrombosis and we call them provoked. For them, we recommend minimum 3 months of blood thinners, sometimes up to 6 months if there are ongoing circumstances (ie still bedbound). The reason why it's 3 months is the risk of getting a 2nd blood clot is very low. Sometimes there is an underlying genetic predisposition. Victor may be getting tested for an underlying genetic condition. The risk would be higher if let's say he has a family history of unexplained blood clots. Sometimes a blood clot is a sign of a cancer. Other times it comes on out of the blue without and we call these unprovoked. I see these patients a lot. One day they are fine, the next day their leg is big and swollen or they can't breathe. These patients we recommend staying on blood thinners indefinitely because the risk of getting a 2nd blood clot is high.

OK, thanks for the explanation. I really hope for someone Victor's age and physical conditioning that he only needs to stay on for 3 months.

[mikec]

Excuse my ignorance, but how does this compare to what Bosh had? Didn't his condition effectively end his career?

nevermind, already answered above.

[hater]

Time to go to the iglesia and light a velita everyday niglets

[benefactor]

Different. There are two steps to form a blood clot. First is your platelets become activated and stick together. Second step is called the coagulation cascade which is basically a long list of reactions involving various proteins made in your liver that ultimately lead to the final formation of a blood clot. For heart attacks, strokes, these are blood clots of the arterial system (aka oxygenated blood coming from the lungs going to the heart and rest of the body. These clots are driven by platelets. So medicines like aspirin work well to prevent platelets from sticking together. For deep vein thrombosis, which are blood clots of the venous system (aka blood that is no longer oxygenated that is going back to the lungs), the blood thinners used are called anticoagulants. They work on the second step (coagulation cascade). Like eliquis, xarelto, pradaxa. Victor will get one of these.
Thanks for the more detailed explanation for everyone. I have some limited knowledge when it comes to anticoagulant therapy due to my time spent in hospital pharmacy, but this really lays things out better. I knew more about prophylactic therapy and people with long-term problems. Back when I was doing it it was old school. Lovenox and Coumadin lol.

[spursgu]

so yeah a big FU to all the people that were calling him names when he was having a real medical issue. Changing your tunes now but I have mental notes of all you dumbasses.

get well soon, Wemby!

[TekXX]

Calm down people, the season was over anyway. I'm betting this is a one off and he'll be fine next season.

[Ice009]

The type of trauma that can incite a blood clot is usually much more significant than a fall. Let's say you were in a big car accident and had broken bones, internal bleeding, in the ICU, needing surgery. That's the type of trauma that will incite a blood clot. Your body has a natural ability to prevent excess clotting due to natural blood thinners. When your blood vasculature is no longer intact (ie from major trauma) you start to form a clot to stop bleeding. Most people don't develop DVT. And then there are those who develop them for various reasons known and unknown (genetic, environmental, sometimes lack natural blood thinners).

So the posters that mentioned GG Jackson falling on him (I don't remember the fall/hit) wouldn't be enough to cause one of those traumas? When you say "environmental" can you give some examples of that?


mikec thanks for the info tbh. I've also talked to my doctor family and friends who are also Spurs fans (some casual, some diehard), the things you guys are saying are more or less the same and that the conditioning/shortness of breath SHOULDN'T be connected to this cause if it is, then it's way fucking worse.

The shortness of breath thing has me worried and I hope it's nothing related to it now that I know more about it. I hope it's just something completely separate.

[SayTown]

Calm down people, the season was over anyway. I'm betting this is a one off and he'll be fine next season.

Thank you I feel calm and reassured now!

[TekXX]

Thank you I feel calm and reassured now!

Hey, you're welcome bud!

[scott]

Shout out mikec. The real MVP of this thread and the forum today.

[TE]

I know I'm grasping at straws because we don't have this objective information, but I wonder what Wemby's baseline's CBC is. A basic exam like that can show patterns though not conclusive... another exam usually rendered in this case is a d-dimer which can give some pattern recognition.
All in all, if the initial reports from the Spurs insiders are that he'll make a "full return by the end of the season" are any indication, I hope other underlying procoagulopathy processes have been ruled out. As was mentioned before in this thread, this could have been brought upon by a simple hard fall/impact with the hardwood going after a loose ball, or even a URI could have initiated a procoagulopathy process.

[benefactor]

So the posters that mentioned GG Jackson falling on him (I don't remember the fall/hit) wouldn't be enough to cause one of those traumas? When you say "environmental" can you give some examples of that?
If I'm not mistaken environmental alludes to being stagnant. Long periods of inactivity can lead to clots in the legs. Many times people who are in hospitals for an extended amount of time receive what they call DVT prophylaxis. It's a blood thinner that keeps them from getting clots in the legs because they are bound to a hospital bed.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I hope he just gets well and it doesn’t escalate to anything more serious

[TE]

If I'm not mistaken environmental alludes to being stagnant. Long periods of inactivity can lead to clots in the legs. Many times people who are in hospitals for an extended amount of time receive what they call DVT prophylaxis. It's a blood thinner that keeps them from getting clots in the legs because they are bound to a hospital bed.
Basically apply virchow's triad to the situation or circumstance, and extrapolate from there. But other stuff that will no doubt be ruled out are like Protein C and S deficiency among other maladies

[scott]

If I'm not mistaken environmental alludes to being stagnant. Long periods of inactivity can lead to clots in the legs. Many times people who are in hospitals for an extended amount of time receive what they call DVT prophylaxis. It's a blood thinner that keeps them from getting clots in the legs because they are bound to a hospital bed.

When I was in the hospital, they had me wear these sleeves on my legs attached to a pump that continuously inflated and deflated to make sure my circulation kept going. Was actually a pretty nice little massage, tbh, but got pretty old after a few hours.

I have a hematologist I see now every year who has told me I don't need to see her anymore, but she doesn't mind if we do an annual check-in... I keep going because I figure it couldn't hurt to have a specialist on my team looking at my body :lol Next visit she's probably going to get annoyed when I ask her a bunch of questions about DVTs in the shoulder......

Went through a period where I had confusing panel results... thought for awhile I might have Lupus Anticoagulant syndrome (which can lead to DVT and strokes)... but turns out I didn't. Learned a lot about this stuff when I was going through that, most of which I've already forgotten.

[mikec]

Basically apply virchow's triad to the situation or circumstance, and extrapolate from there. But other stuff that will no doubt be ruled out are like Protein C and S deficiency among other maladies

Exactly.

[mikec]

Shout out mikec (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37307). The real MVP of this thread and the forum today.

:toast

[spurraider21]

we will rally around bismack biyombo. and we'll play good basketball

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EghgU2oVkAIPCdM.jpg

[Mugen]

When I was in the hospital, they had me wear these sleeves on my legs attached to a pump that continuously inflated and deflated to make sure my circulation kept going. Was actually a pretty nice little massage, tbh, but got pretty old after a few hours.

I have a hematologist I see now every year who has told me I don't need to see her anymore, but she doesn't mind if we do an annual check-in... I keep going because I figure it couldn't hurt to have a specialist on my team looking at my body :lol Next visit she's probably going to get annoyed when I ask her a bunch of questions about DVTs in the shoulder......

Went through a period where I had confusing panel results... thought for awhile I might have Lupus Anticoagulant syndrome (which can lead to DVT and strokes)... but turns out I didn't. Learned a lot about this stuff when I was going through that, most of which I've already forgotten.

It's never lupus tbh.

[scott]

It's never lupus tbh.

One thing I learned while I was being tested for this Lupus Anticoagulant Syndrome... is that it's not the same thing as Lupus :lol

[Russ]

Yes, agreed on minimum 3 months of blood thinners. His doctors will repeat another ultrasound in 3 months to see if the blood clot is still present or not. Sometimes there may still be residual clot remaining but it is scar.
If this is Paget-Schroetter syndrome which I suspect, he will be seeing vascular surgery to determine if surgery is needed. Six months of blood thinners is sometimes recommended.

Doctor, I'm thinking with this patient, it may be sooner than three months. :toast

[Ice009]

I know I'm grasping at straws because we don't have this objective information, but I wonder what Wemby's baseline's CBC is. A basic exam like that can show patterns though not conclusive... another exam usually rendered in this case is a d-dimer which can give some pattern recognition.
All in all, if the initial reports from the Spurs insiders are that he'll make a "full return by the end of the season" are any indication, I hope other underlying procoagulopathy processes have been ruled out. As was mentioned before in this thread, this could have been brought upon by a simple hard fall/impact with the hardwood going after a loose ball, or even a URI could have initiated a procoagulopathy process.

Sounds like you know what you're talking about. I don't understand most of what you said, though.

One thing I will ask, though, so a fall or someone like GG Jackson falling on top of him should could have caused this? If I understand correctly what MikeC said, the trauma would have to be much more than that?

[baseline bum]

We call these upper extremity DVTs. The patient will usually present with sudden or worsening shoulder/arm/neck pain or discomfort. I've not seen shortness of breath/fatigue as a presenting symptom unless there is a concurrent pulmonary embolism. I really hope Victor does not have a pulmonary embolism.

Crap, at least hearing this news made the complete falloff in his game the last three weeks make some sense for a while until reading this. E.g. getting fatigued quicker, less mobility on defense, shot blocks dropping, and his three point shooting falling to 30%. But sounds like maybe only the last one would have much of a chance of coming from this. He really hadn't looked like himself the entire month.

[mikec]

Doctor, I'm thinking with this patient, it may be sooner than three months. :toast

Good point...probably weekly haha

[Russ]

They misdiagnosed Danny green for an injury as well iirc. I don’t trust the spurs medical staff anymore, tbh. I just hope they’ve upgraded

Danny Green was on ESPN today gushing over the Spurs staff and saying Wemby was in the perfect place to recover and get through this.

[timtonymanu]

Fuck. I just hope he’s okay long term. That shit is scary.

[100%duncan]

Crap, at least hearing this news made the complete falloff in his game the last three weeks make some sense for a while until reading this. E.g. getting fatigued quicker, less mobility on defense, shot blocks dropping, and his three point shooting falling to 30%. But sounds like maybe only the last one would have much of a chance of coming from this. He really hadn't looked like himself the entire month.

This shouldn't explain the fatigue though, if it does then the situation is actually worse.

[Russ]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1892738183227396430

"Victor said his arm wasn't feeling normal."

It's anecdotal, but that doesn't sound like shortness of breath or other pulmonary symptoms.

If so, that could be a good sign that he does not have a pulmonary embolism.

[dn0774]

Crap, at least hearing this news made the complete falloff in his game the last three weeks make some sense for a while until reading this. E.g. getting fatigued quicker, less mobility on defense, shot blocks dropping, and his three point shooting falling to 30%. But sounds like maybe only the last one would have much of a chance of coming from this. He really hadn't looked like himself the entire month.

Vic was still dealing with illness/allergies for a bit (I saw someone mention somewhere those issues can even contribute to a clot instance, though rare). Today's medical release doesn't mean the previously reported issues he was having weren't real.

Just been a tough 6 weeks for the kid, right now I hope he can do his best to not worry about basketball and just focus on getting his health right.

[benefactor]

When I was in the hospital, they had me wear these sleeves on my legs attached to a pump that continuously inflated and deflated to make sure my circulation kept going. Was actually a pretty nice little massage, tbh, but got pretty old after a few hours.

I have a hematologist I see now every year who has told me I don't need to see her anymore, but she doesn't mind if we do an annual check-in... I keep going because I figure it couldn't hurt to have a specialist on my team looking at my body :lol Next visit she's probably going to get annoyed when I ask her a bunch of questions about DVTs in the shoulder......

Went through a period where I had confusing panel results... thought for awhile I might have Lupus Anticoagulant syndrome (which can lead to DVT and strokes)... but turns out I didn't. Learned a lot about this stuff when I was going through that, most of which I've already forgotten.
Yeah I'm psych now so some of my knowledge is outdated too lol. But if you need a therapist to get through this let me know:lol

[TE]

Sounds like you know what you're talking about. I don't understand most of what you said, though.

One thing I will ask, though, so a fall or someone like GG Jackson falling on top of him should could have caused this? If I understand correctly what MikeC said, the trauma would have to be much more than that?

I will have to defer to my Heme colleague here and his expertise...

As has been mentioned in a recent post, when a blood clot is diagnosed, we have to assess where it is initially and act accordingly to guidelines. On the primary care level,we have assessments to determine on a superficial level if someone's blood is running denser than usual. There are other factors like age, underlying comorbidities, family history that are factored in to this risk assessment.

[Russ]

Shout out mikec. The real MVP of this thread and the forum today.

:toast

[Seventyniner]

https://x.com/KSATMaryRom/status/1892738183227396430

"Victor said his arm wasn't feeling normal."

It's anecdotal, but that doesn't sound like shortness of breath or other pulmonary symptoms.

If so, that could be a good sign that he does not have a pulmonary embolism.

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[spurraider21]

yeah we gotta take a step and realize that conditioning issues =/= shortness of breath

[LeBowen]

My biggest question is how limited will his activities be over the next 6 months?
If it's just contact ban, he might have an improved skillset when he returns.

[mikec]

My biggest question is how limited will his activities be over the next 6 months?
If it's just contact ban, he might have an improved skillset when he returns.

Contact ban while he's on blood thinners.

[Russ]

My biggest question is how limited will his activities be over the next 6 months?
If it's just contact ban, he might have an improved skillset when he returns.

This guy, with his antsy ambitious energy, will become a virtual student of the game.

He'll play out each situation in his mind in real time and visualize what he should do, piling laser-focused observation upon laser-focused observation.

If (when?) he comes back, he'll be a basketball savant.

(At least I hope so.)

[drpill]

Yeah if Wemby can work on his game and his body -- can he lift weights etc -- then any amount of time out will only make him a bigger beast when he returns.

Is there any chance the allergies made him more susceptible to having blood clots? Like a month straight of having your immune system under assault, like some folks were describing, while trying to play basketball at a high level, it sounds hard on the body. If anything maybe the Spurs should just let him sit out that part of the season. Let him go work on his game in Paris and chill.

[scott]

Wemby gonna come back from the offseason with prime DRob’s body and Curry’s 3-ball

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Nah we fucked. Dallas moving to Vegas. Spurs moving to Waco to split the difference. It is written

[slick'81]

Get well soon big man

[Pauleta14]

Wemby being short of breath was just him acting as if he's 1 foot shorter imo

We've taken for granted this insanity of moving around a 7'5 body all while being the main option and focus on both ends of the court.

He'll get better and will get more help but will always struggle

[RC_Drunkford]

So the posters that mentioned GG Jackson falling on him (I don't remember the fall/hit) wouldn't be enough to cause one of those traumas? When you say "environmental" can you give some examples of that?



The shortness of breath thing has me worried and I hope it's nothing related to it now that I know more about it. I hope it's just something completely separate.

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[Fireball]

I played Basketball with blood thinners ... got pretty ugly sometimes :downspin:

[exstatic]

I played Basketball with blood thinners ... got pretty ugly sometimes :downspin:

The idea is to use them to clear the clot, and then go off them. Miami refused to let Bosh play on blood thinners, and he would have needed them to prevent a second reoccurrence. His was a much more hazardous lower extremity DVT. If those break loose, they are definitely going to the heart or lungs directly, express route.

[The Truth #6]

Not trying to get all armchair hematologist here, but I'm wondering what a preferable etiology would be here. I'm guessing either some sort of one-time trauma, or an anatomical issue that they can fix, meaning vessel was getting pinched somewhere and they have to carve out a better space for it or something like that. If it is just from overuse then, I'm curious if the team is going to want to ask him to shoot less three-pointers somehow? Or in the off-season is he somehow tried to possibly redefine his game to some extent to learn some low post moves? Lot of different outcomes are possible.

[RC_Drunkford]

btw doesn't JJJ winning DPOY now mean he can get the supermax and we can't sign Aldama in the offseason?

[LeBowen]

btw doesn't JJJ winning DPOY now mean he can get the supermax and we can't sign Aldama in the offseason?

They got rid of Smart to make space for JJJ's extension.
Also traded LaRavia because they knew they can't extend him.

It's going to come down to Aldama's preference, if he wants to stay in Memphis or not.

[Ice009]

btw doesn't JJJ winning DPOY now mean he can get the supermax and we can't sign Aldama in the offseason?

If JJJ gets the Supermax, how does that hinder the Spurs being able to sign Aldama? Wouldn't that mean Memphis would have less money to spend?

[Maddog]

Not trying to get all armchair hematologist here, but I'm wondering what a preferable etiology would be here. I'm guessing either some sort of one-time trauma, or an anatomical issue that they can fix, meaning vessel was getting pinched somewhere and they have to carve out a better space for it or something like that. If it is just from overuse then, I'm curious if the team is going to want to ask him to shoot less three-pointers somehow? Or in the off-season is he somehow tried to possibly redefine his game to some extent to learn some low post moves? Lot of different outcomes are possible.

Trauma
Anatomical- such as thoracic outlet syndrome
If confident this is provoked and the provoking situation has been alleviated can possibly get by with 3 months of anti coagulation.

There have been protocols to allow athletes to play on AC. It's not standard, but modern anticoagulants have a short half life and can be held day of game. I know in fact several NFL players who do this (some with pretty serious clots- well there all serious but with pulmonary embolism)
That said it's clearly non-standard and no data on if this puts them at increased risk

[exstatic]

btw doesn't JJJ winning DPOY now mean he can get the supermax and we can't sign Aldama in the offseason?

He might also make All NBA. I think the Aldama ship has sailed.

[TekXX]

How many more games does Wemby need to qualify for DPOY? Can he suit up and be on the court for a second until he reaches the numbered needed?

[exstatic]

How many more games does Wemby need to qualify for DPOY? Can he suit up and be on the court for a second until he reaches the numbered needed?

I think the voters would frown on that shit happening for 13 games. Just shut it down,and run it back next year.

[Brazil]

what a sad news tbh... this fucking sucks, will all efforts he is puting on conditioning, stretching.. a freaking blood clot is ending his season

[LaMarcus Bryant]

If he gets another one they will shut him down entire season again.

A second one will warrant lifetime anti coagulation.
At that point it's up to the spurs and his family to decide if he will continue playing.

This should have happened to the Lakers GM tbh

[Ice009]

If he gets another one they will shut him down entire season again.

A second one will warrant lifetime anti coagulation.
At that point it's up to the spurs and his family to decide if he will continue playing.

This should have happened to the Lakers GM tbh

Seems like a lot of you guys here know a decent amount about blood clots. I knew next to nothing about them until the past day or so when this all happened.

Does anyone think Victor will release a statement or anything to the fans? Tell people how he's doing?


Trauma
Anatomical- such as thoracic outlet syndrome
If confident this is provoked and the provoking situation has been alleviated can possibly get by with 3 months of anti coagulation.

There have been protocols to allow athletes to play on AC. It's not standard, but modern anticoagulants have a short half life and can be held day of game. I know in fact several NFL players who do this (some with pretty serious clots- well there all serious but with pulmonary embolism)
That said it's clearly non-standard and no data on if this puts them at increased risk

Wow, NFL players are allowed to play that have have/had blood clots? Wouldn't the NFL be one of the worst sports for playing with that condition? What position/s are the players that you're referring to here?

[ffadicted]

I've read through this thread and through other shit as well, somebody talk me off the ledge here. Why/how could the Spurs be confident that he will make a full recovery, and more specifically, shouldn't be worried about long term issues? Or is this just a PR thing and that's all they can really say, and nobody truly knows? So it may be something that always hangs over his head.

I'm obv not in the medical field, but it seems to me unless there is a clear and obvious (and fixable) cause of why it happened this time, how can anyone be sure it won't just happen again?

:depressed

[The Truth #6]

Trauma
Anatomical- such as thoracic outlet syndrome
If confident this is provoked and the provoking situation has been alleviated can possibly get by with 3 months of anti coagulation.

There have been protocols to allow athletes to play on AC. It's not standard, but modern anticoagulants have a short half life and can be held day of game. I know in fact several NFL players who do this (some with pretty serious clots- well there all serious but with pulmonary embolism)
That said it's clearly non-standard and no data on if this puts them at increased risk

Good thoughts on TOS. Not saying this is the cause, but to good to be aware of as we as fans try to connect the dots with what little information we get from the team.

Venous thoracic outlet syndrome (vTOS) is a condition characterized by the compression of the subclavian vein as it exits the thoracic cavity, often at the costoclavicular space. This compression can lead to episodic venous obstruction in the upper extremity, presenting with symptoms such as edema, rubor, and functional impairment. Over time, repetitive compression and injury can result in thrombosis of the vein, a condition known as "effort thrombosis" or Paget-Schroetter syndrome.[1-3]
The diagnosis of vTOS typically involves a combination of clinical examination and imaging studies, such as computed tomography angiography (CTA) or catheter venography, which can reveal narrowing or occlusion of the subclavian vein.[2][4] The American College of Radiology recommends catheter venography for both initial and follow-up imaging in suspected cases of vTOS.[4]
Management of vTOS includes acute treatment of venous thromboembolism with anticoagulation and thrombolytic therapy, followed by surgical decompression. Surgical options often involve first rib resection, anterior scalenectomy, and venolysis to relieve the external compression on the vein.[1][5-6] Early diagnosis and prompt treatment are crucial for optimal outcomes, as delayed intervention can lead to long-term complications such as post-thrombotic syndrome.[3][6]

My search from Open Evidence.

[Mugen]

I've read through this thread and through other shit as well, somebody talk me off the ledge here. Why/how could the Spurs be confident that he will make a full recovery, and more specifically, shouldn't be worried about long term issues? Or is this just a PR thing and that's all they can really say, and nobody truly knows? So it may be something that always hangs over his head.

I'm obv not in the medical field, but it seems to me unless there is a clear and obvious (and fixable) cause of why it happened this time, how can anyone be sure it won't just happen again?

:depressed

https://media.tenor.com/GZ65ilpWFpkAAAAM/good-will-hunting.gif

[rjv]

Seems like a lot of you guys here know a decent amount about how to google "blood clots". I knew next to nothing about them until the past day or so when this all happened.

Does anyone think Victor will release a statement or anything to the fans? Tell people how he's doing?



Wow, NFL players are allowed to play that have have/had blood clots? Wouldn't the NFL be one of the worst sports for playing with that condition? What position/s are the players that you're referring to here?

fixed.

[daslicer]

I've read through this thread and through other shit as well, somebody talk me off the ledge here. Why/how could the Spurs be confident that he will make a full recovery, and more specifically, shouldn't be worried about long term issues? Or is this just a PR thing and that's all they can really say, and nobody truly knows? So it may be something that always hangs over his head.

I'm obv not in the medical field, but it seems to me unless there is a clear and obvious (and fixable) cause of why it happened this time, how can anyone be sure it won't just happen again?

:depressed

The only thing that leads me to believe why the Spurs are optimistic that he won't have this happen again is through running tests they could have found out it was not a genetic related condition. If it has nothing to do with genetics than there is a high chance, he won't have this issue recur again.

[itzsoweezee]

I've read through this thread and through other shit as well, somebody talk me off the ledge here. Why/how could the Spurs be confident that he will make a full recovery, and more specifically, shouldn't be worried about long term issues? Or is this just a PR thing and that's all they can really say, and nobody truly knows? So it may be something that always hangs over his head.

I'm obv not in the medical field, but it seems to me unless there is a clear and obvious (and fixable) cause of why it happened this time, how can anyone be sure it won't just happen again?

:depressed


The Spurs organization is very conservative with the information they release to the public. If they are publicly stating that Vic should have a full recovery and normal career, then it’s probably backed up by a lot of data and determinations by experts. It’s more and more clear to me that these chicken littles on here and elsewhere on the internet should just be ignored.

[Duncan2177]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP2ks3iLfTk

This guy is a idiot. :lol

[scott]

The Spurs organization is very conservative with the information they release to the public. If they are publicly stating that Vic should have a full recovery and normal career, then it’s probably backed up by a lot of data and determinations by experts. It’s more and more clear to me that these chicken littles on here and elsewhere on the internet should just be ignored.

So, I've seen this line of thinking a lot... and I don't even necessarily disagree with it... but let's ask... why do we think the Spurs would only say this if they are confident?

It's not like they face legal liability (or any other kind of liability) if Vic never plays another game. And the fact is, they do have an incentive to tell everyone they're confident he'll be back next year even if they aren't.

I tend to believe the Spurs when they say this simply because I have a lifetime full of trust in them on these matters... but we shouldn't ignore that the do actually have an incentive to be overly optimistic with the public about this.

[rjv]

So, I've seen this line of thinking a lot... and I don't even necessarily disagree with it... but let's ask... why do we think the Spurs would only say this if they are confident?

It's not like they face legal liability (or any other kind of liability) if Vic never plays another game. And the fact is, they do have an incentive to tell everyone they're confident he'll be back next year even if they aren't.

I tend to believe the Spurs when they say this simply because I have a lifetime full of trust in them on these matters... but we shouldn't ignore that the do actually have an incentive to be overly optimistic with the public about this.

it's not a question of motive. people are saying this because the spurs have a history of being straightforward about these matters. they're probably just literally giving us the prognosis of the doctors. but we just live in times where people question any and everything.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP2ks3iLfTk

This guy is a idiot. :lol

:lol does this guy cover sports?

[Keepin' it real]

How many Covid jabs did he needlessly take to appease "The Science"?

[ChumpDumper]

How many Covid jabs did he needlessly take to appease "The Science"?At least 10,000.

[pgardn]

How many Covid jabs did he needlessly take to appease "The Science"?

Here we go with the fkn idiots yet again.

Hope it was sarcasm for your brain clots sake.

[CGD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP2ks3iLfTk

This guy is a idiot. :lol

God, conspiracy theorists are so 2016. Why do y’all keep falling for their shit.

[scott]

There is actually an NIH study that talks about the increased risks of blood clots after having the COVID-19 Virus and the Vaccine. Essentially, it states that each individually results in an increased risk of blood clots, with the virus itself posing more risk than the vaccine, but if you've had both that results in the highest increased risk. With that said, the study also clearly states:


Results show that the indirect benefit of preventing infection-associated thromboembolic events outweighs the direct harm if the VE and infection rate reaches certain levels. Moreover, COVID-19 vaccination may have additional benefits in preventing thromboembolic events associated with COVID-19, as a higher rate of vaccination increases the overall level of immunity in the population, reducing the spread of the virus and conferring collective protection against infection-associated thromboembolic events and other health risks associated with COVID-19.

Here is a link to the study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11399239/

Vaxx still better than no vaxx, tbh

[lefty]

what a sad news tbh... this fucking sucks, will all efforts he is puting on conditioning, stretching.. a freaking blood clot is ending his season



https://youtube.com/shorts/uWUuQ56M1iU?si=AMuCE_g1xnxr5ZJC

[Ice009]

I am close to being out for the season too. Without Victor, and if Steph isn't going to get any court time, waste of my time watching this shit. No disrespect to De'Aaron as I haven't watched him enough yet (he is playing good, though).

[Brazil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/uWUuQ56M1iU?si=AMuCE_g1xnxr5ZJC

:lol

[Rocalcio]

Overly tall players being injury prone and not having long careers gets proven right again. Might as well have drafted Amen Thompson tbh. At least he’ll have a long career.

Such a shame to say something like that, please stop thinking about the team for just 5 minutes and be respectful for the human being…

[polandprzem]

superdupper healthy

[exstatic]

Overly tall players being injury prone and not having long careers gets proven right again. Might as well have drafted Amen Thompson tbh. At least he’ll have a long career.

You realize that Ausar, who is not 7’5”, had the exact same DVT issue last year, right genius?

[Rocalcio]

RIP Wemby

He had a decent 2 year career :cry

Idiot…

[ismael-robert]

fixed.

Exactly. This ice guy asks the weirdest questions like a young Taylor swift fan...'does anyone know if he'll post a message to fans'...lol like seriously who do u think we are...nobody knows anything here and everyone's guess is as good as next guys...look some stuff up instead of asking to be coddled

[Ice009]

Exactly. This ice guy asks the weirdest questions like a young Taylor swift fan...'does anyone know if he'll post a message to fans'...lol like seriously who do u think we are...nobody knows anything here and everyone's guess is as good as next guys...look some stuff up instead of asking to be coddled

I meant release a short statement when everything is under control. It's not unheard of for a player to release a statement on their health/injury once the dust settles a bit. You want to see a Taylor Swift fan, sorry, you're going to see a Slayer fan.

And some people do know shit around here as some posters have connections to the Spurs. It's not unreasonable to think someone may have heard something more. I'm sure there is some connected fans around here that might know someone that knows one of the Spurs doctors or knows someone on the staff. Before it all broke, there was someone that said the news broke on reddit by someone that heard secondhand from someone that was connected to the team.

[pgardn]

There is actually an NIH study that talks about the increased risks of blood clots after having the COVID-19 Virus and the Vaccine. Essentially, it states that each individually results in an increased risk of blood clots, with the virus itself posing more risk than the vaccine, but if you've had both that results in the highest increased risk. With that said, the study also clearly states:



Here is a link to the study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11399239/

Vaxx still better than no vaxx, tbh

There are also studies showing that sports with excessive upper body/ arm exercise are at increased risk for specifically upper body blood clots. Other NBA players have had this disorder BEFORE Covid ran through our population. ESPN has done the medical legwork for us in sports in their article.
Every damn ailment in younger people has been blamed on the Covid vaccine. It’s ridiculous. These are usually the same people who pushed ivermectin as a cure.

[sfernald]

I just want to say I feel so sad. It took me a while to get to the point where I could talk about it. Wemby is by far my fav player to watch. It is so disappointing he is out the rest of the season. He is so amazing - like a once in a lifetime level player. I love watching the best of the best play basketball and he is something else completely, a true alien. I really hope he comes back just as before and this doesn’t affect him long term at all. I just can’t even watch the spurs right now I’m so sad.

[TheBallsbreakers]

I just want to say I feel so sad. It took me a while to get to the point where I could talk about it. Wemby is by far my fav player to watch. It is so disappointing he is out the rest of the season. He is so amazing - like a once in a lifetime level player. I love watching the best of the best play basketball and he is something else completely, a true alien. I really hope he comes back just as before and this doesn’t affect him long term at all. I just can’t even watch the spurs right now I’m so sad.
I hear you, hermano.
I'm at the point of hoping the team just launches the tank brigade full-on by having Fox get surgery and just dedicate the rest of the season to playing Castle as much as possible.
Come back next season with a rejuvenated, fully-healthy Wemby and Fox for a total reboot.

[spursistan]

Just went through this depressing thread and i agree with Mugen that the Spurs don't seem to be like the franchise that would trifle with health issue of this magnitude for corporate/business reasons. In fact they do seem to be more confident than optimistic about Wemby's long term outlook. If there were any doubts, they would have probably come out with a less categorical statement that leaves them room to slow-walk the (bad) news drop later on ("we will monitor the situation.." "Further tests will be done.." "he will be reevaluated in x months etc).

This franchise has suffered over the years a massive decline across the board, but the one department that seemingly remained at an elite level is their medical team. Those are usually the longest tenured staff with much less turnover compared to Developmental/Asst coaches, scouts, FO executives-- a brain drain from which we have clearly begun to hurt. Kudos to them for getting to the bottom of Wemby's case as fast as they did. That may turn out to be a franchise-saving move.

[heyheymymy]

Part of me kinda hopes this is just the Spurs cleverly shutting down Victor for the tank. Really hope he is alright and health is always more important than basketball. I know he is a competitor and wants to play so praying for the best possible outcome.

Wemby has been playing non stop basketball since like July 2023 and a long break could be a benefit provided he fully recovers from the DVT. If he recovers and with his absence we get a top 4 pick out of a season we weren't doing shit with anyway I'd say that's a pretty nice pull out of the nosedive.

[exstatic]

Part of me kinda hopes this is just the Spurs cleverly shutting down Victor for the tank. Really hope he is alright and health is always more important than basketball. I know he is a competitor and wants to play so praying for the best possible outcome.

Wemby has been playing non stop basketball since like July 2023 and a long break could be a benefit provided he fully recovers from the DVT. If he recovers and with his absence we get a top 4 pick out of a season we weren't doing shit with anyway I'd say that's a pretty nice pull out of the nosedive.

Spurs aren’t going to issue a false medical report.

[couchman]

Still no public statement from Wemby right?
I really want to hear from him to help ease my doubts

[Pauleta14]

Still no public statement from Wemby right?
I really want to hear from him to help ease my doubts

Have you ever seen a statement from a pro athlete following an injury?

[couchman]

Have you ever seen a statement from a pro athlete following an injury?

Yes I have.
I'm not expecting a press release but it is very common for injured players to post something on social thanking people for their support or whatever.
So far I don't believe Wemby has made any public post or comment at all? And that's his right. He doesn't have to.
It's just a little unsettling is all.

[scott]

Still no public statement from Wemby right?
I really want to hear from him to help ease my doubts

I was encouraged by the pics of him out and about with the abuelas doing some antique shopping

[Pauleta14]

Yes I have.
I'm not expecting a press release but it is very common for injured players to post something on social thanking people for their support or whatever.
So far I don't believe Wemby has made any public post or comment at all? And that's his right. He doesn't have to.
It's just a little unsettling is all.

I don't expect anything. Wemby isn't the active type on social media

[TXstbobcat]

with Wemby out for the year the San Antonio fan base has absolutely no fucking interest in watching this team live for the rest of the season. Tickets on StubHub for the game vs. the nets are going for $1. Some lower level bargains at $24.

[tbdog]

Gee, this news just took the wind out of the sails. Playin too far away. Bottom 5 to far away. Just on the treadmill for the rest of the way.

[exstatic]

Gee, this news just took the wind out of the sails. Playin too far away. Bottom 5 to far away. Just on the treadmill for the rest of the way.

Lottery jumps into the top 4 from below Since the new odds were Implemented in 2019:

Position 5: 3 times
Position 6: 0 times
Position 7: 4 times
Position 8: 2 times
Position 9: 1 time
Position 10: 1 time
Position 11: 1 time

Positions 7 and 10 have won the lottery.

Position 1 has NEVER won the lottery in it’s current configuration, and in fact, has been booted out of the top 4 twice, knocked back 2 positions twice, and knocked back 1 position twice.

In the six lottery drawings using the current configuration, 12 of the 24 top four spots have come from teams outside jumping in. Twice, THREE teams from outside jumped in, and twice, two teams did. There has not been a lottery under the current configuration that didn’t have at least one team from outside the top 4 jump into the top 4.

[LeBowen]

Lottery jumps into the top 4 from below Since the new odds were Implemented in 2019:

Position 5: 3 times
Position 6: 0 times
Position 7: 4 times
Position 8: 2 times
Position 9: 1 time
Position 10: 1 time
Position 11: 1 time

Positions 7 and 10 have won the lottery.

Position 1 has NEVER won the lottery in it’s current configuration, and in fact, has been booted out of the top 4 twice, knocked back 2 positions twice, and knocked back 1 position twice.

In the six lottery drawings using the current configuration, 12 of the 24 top four spots have come from teams outside jumping in. Twice, THREE teams from outside jumped in, and twice, two teams did. There has not been a lottery under the current configuration that didn’t have at least one team from outside the top 4 jump into the top 4.

Forget about the odds, CIA Pop is on the case.
What are they going to do? Give such a great prospect to Wizards, Hornets or Pelicans?
Those three teams surely won't get the #1 pick. It's going to be Jazz or Raptors.

[baseline bum]

with Wemby out for the year the San Antonio fan base has absolutely no fucking interest in watching this team live for the rest of the season. Tickets on StubHub for the game vs. the nets are going for $1. Some lower level bargains at $24.

Wonder if fans are thinking the team will shut Fox down for the season after letting him play that first home game against OKC.

[Jordan Jackson]

Gee, this news just took the wind out of the sails. Playin too far away. Bottom 5 to far away. Just on the treadmill for the rest of the way.

They just to the Pelicans back-to-back. This is definitely not a treadmill team. They have one of the worst rosters in the league at this time. Wemby was hiding a lot of the bad on this roster.

I’m hard pressed to find 4 wins with their remaining schedule - barring some fluke hot shooting night from them.

[spursistan]

Really curious to know when will Wembanyama be allowed to resume light basketball activities like stationary shooting. Hard cardio and strenuous moves (weight lifting) will have to wait until late summer I guess (August).
Honestly, I keep repeating this, if there is something we should be grateful about as difficult as it may sound is that, if this DVT was ever going to happen, there was never a less damaging timing for it than now: (a) Wemby coming off two hectic seasons and staring down another busy summer (Euro Basket) (b) training camp for next season is a whole 7-months away (c) The team already lost too much ground in the play-in race that makes a detour to draft lottery for one last crack at another 'core piece' the more beneficial outcome in the big picture.

Just hope this whole episode becomes a footnote in the story of the Wembanyama-era Spurs and not a bigger what-if than Zaza-Kawhi.

[Ice009]

Really curious to know when will Wembanyama be allowed to resume light basketball activities like stationary shooting. Hard cardio and strenuous moves (weight lifting) will have to wait until late summer I guess (August).
Honestly, I keep repeating this, if there is something we should be grateful about as difficult as it may sound is that, if this DVT was ever going to happen, there was never a less damaging timing for it than now: (a) Wemby coming off two hectic seasons and staring down another busy summer (Euro Basket) (b) training camp for next season is a whole 7-months away (c) The team already lost too much ground in the play-in race that makes a detour to draft lottery for one last crack at another 'core piece' the more beneficial outcome in the big picture.

Yeah, I'm curious too. I wonder when he'd be allowed to start work again.


Just hope this whole episode becomes a footnote in the story of the Wembanyama-era Spurs and not a bigger what-if than Zaza-Kawhi.

I don't even really want to think about this. It felt like the Basketball gods helped us out after the Kawhi thing. I hope it all works out well (more so for Victor than for the Spurs or any of us fans) as he's a super hard worker and good person too.

[scott]

Don't know how to just grab the video... but here is a clip of Castle talking about how Wemby is still involved with the team despite being out for the year.

Our Superstar. :bking

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/1j31ncq/castle_on_wemby_being_with_the_team_thats_just/

[scott]

And here is a video of Fox with comments about Wemby, similar to the Castle video: https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/1j34ivd/fox_when_asked_about_wemby_hes_just_so_down_to/

Sounds like an amazing teammate to be around and that everyone loves him.

[vy65]

Wemby pls :cry

[ginobilized]

Thanks for those videos, scott

It will be a couple of months before they really know anything would be my guess.
After seeing how involved he is and that flying is a risk for the next few months, I could see this period being a career-defining time for such a student of the game. He may come back with more drive and a deeper understanding of how to take the next step to both help his team and in his legendary trajectory. I would not be surprised to see him close to the top 5 MVP candidates next season.

[spursistan]

And here is a video of Fox with comments about Wemby, similar to the Castle video: https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/1j34ivd/fox_when_asked_about_wemby_hes_just_so_down_to/

Sounds like an amazing teammate to be around and that everyone loves him.
In action :cry Total opposite of He Who Shall Not Be Named in the same shoes

https://x.com/katy__kakes/status/1896354016210432321

[Pauleta14]

I thought the treatment for blood clot meant no contact whatsoever, does that mean he hasn't done it yet?

Is there any news in that regard?

[scott]

I thought the treatment for blood clot meant no contact whatsoever, does that mean he hasn't done it yet?

Is there any news in that regard?

Treatment for now is likely just blood thinners. You don't need to live in a bubble when you're on blood thinners - lots of people live their every day normal lives while taking them. He just needs to avoid the kind of contact that puts him at risk for falls and bleeds, those are what are dangerous for people on blood thinners.

[LeBowen]

Treatment for now is likely just blood thinners. You don't need to live in a bubble when you're on blood thinners - lots of people live their every day normal lives while taking them. He just needs to avoid the kind of contact that puts him at risk for falls and bleeds, those are what are dangerous for people on blood thinners.

Yeah, I expect him to do all of his individual work and come back with a few more weapons in his arsenal.

[scott]

Yeah, I expect him to do all of his individual work and come back with a few more weapons in his arsenal.

Wemby gonna come back built like DRob, with Steph's shooting, Kyrie's handles and Kareem's post game

[BatManu20]

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[Ice009]

Thanks for those videos, scott

It will be a couple of months before they really know anything would be my guess.
After seeing how involved he is and that flying is a risk for the next few months, I could see this period being a career-defining time for such a student of the game. He may come back with more drive and a deeper understanding of how to take the next step to both help his team and in his legendary trajectory. I would not be surprised to see him close to the top 5 MVP candidates next season.


I've actually been thinking about this for the past week or so. Firstly, I am hoping that he comes back 100%, and there will be no issue going forward, and it will be a distant memory.

And then secondly, since he is a student of the game (as you mentioned), I am hoping that while he is unable to physically work on his game, he will gain a fresh perspective on it and hone his skills by observing and learning things that he otherwise wouldn't have had time to invest in.

[ginobilized]

I've actually been thinking about this for the past week or so. Firstly, I am hoping that he comes back 100%, and there will be no issue going forward, and it will be a distant memory.

And then secondly, since he is a student of the game (as you mentioned), I am hoping that while he is unable to physically work on his game, he will gain a fresh perspective on it and hone his skills by observing and learning things that he otherwise wouldn't have had time to invest in.

Let's find a way to gloat next year when this rings true! Glad to know there are like-minded folks here.

[Ice009]

I wasn't sure what his mood would be in the home games. I knew he'd be there supporting his teammates as he couldn't fly to the away games with the team, but I thought he might be a bit down (I probably would be in the same spot). It's was awesome to see his enthusiasm out there for his teammates. It looks like Victor is also a superstar teammate as well as a player.

I'm sure it's given them a huge boost of confidence to play well. Probably not going to help the lottery odds, though :(. Hopefully the basketball gods take that into consideration and maybe give the Spurs some luck with the lottery balls.
The Lakers seem to come up with heists, so hopefully the Spurs can somehow come out with one in the draft to counteract that.

[pookenstein]

Part of me kinda hopes this is just the Spurs cleverly shutting down Victor for the tank. Really hope he is alright and health is always more important than basketball. I know he is a competitor and wants to play so praying for the best possible outcome.

Wemby has been playing non stop basketball since like July 2023 and a long break could be a benefit provided he fully recovers from the DVT. If he recovers and with his absence we get a top 4 pick out of a season we weren't doing shit with anyway I'd say that's a pretty nice pull out of the nosedive.

Even if the Spurs would do something like that, which I don't believe, they surely would have waited for Wemby to have played the 65 games necessary so he would be available to win DPOY and All NBA.

[Bruno]

I wonder if Wemby has had a surgery to remove the blood clot ?

[scott]

I wonder if Wemby has had a surgery to remove the blood clot ?

Not a doctor, but based on what I've seen other folks with Medical training say... surgery would not be the primary treatment for his condition. Start with blood thinners and let the body do it's thing. Surgery would be a more drastic form of treatment if thinners don't work.

[Maddog]

I wonder if Wemby has had a surgery to remove the blood clot ?

not surgery per se, but depending on circumstances catheter directed thrombolytics can be utilized. Basically an IV is placed near the clot, and drugs that break up the clot are utilized. There are pluses and minuses.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not a doctor, but based on what I've seen other folks with Medical training say... surgery would not be the primary treatment for his condition. Start with blood thinners and let the body do it's thing. Surgery would be a more drastic form of treatment if thinners don't work.

if a vein gets clogged by the bone they remove a rib, so it could be

[baseline bum]

if a vein gets clogged by the bone they remove a rib, so it could be

Can we use that rib to clone a second Wemby?

[Seventyniner]

Can we use that rib to clone a second Wemby?

That clone would utterly dominate the WNBA.

[rjv]

Looks like Wemby took the trip to Sac town.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GldmjA6aoAAyjaD?format=jpg&name=small

[Mugen]

Good Guy Wemby tbh. Nice of him to show support for Fox. Hopefully the rest of the team plays hard tonight tbh.

[itzsoweezee]

The comments from Johnson are very reassuring: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44154763/victor-wembanyama-travels-spurs-back-deaaron-fox

[Joseph Kony]

Prior to returning home, Wembanyama had taken a brief trip to Wyoming to unwind, according to a source.

the fuck? :lol

[Seventyniner]

I guess that's good news because it shows that flying isn't dangerous for him this soon after finding out about the clot.

[dn0774]

the fuck? :lol

Wemby loves outdoors and nature and stuff, he doesn't really seem too enthralled by the big city lifestyle. His comments about Las Vegas a couple years ago at summer league kind of shined a light on that side of him. Honestly, bodes well for us if there is a chance he isn't swayed by the glamour of LA or NY when it comes to free agency etc.

[scott]

Wemby loves outdoors and nature and stuff, he doesn't really seem too enthralled by the big city lifestyle. His comments about Las Vegas a couple years ago at summer league kind of shined a light on that side of him. Honestly, bodes well for us if there is a chance he isn't swayed by the glamour of LA or NY when it comes to free agency etc.

Gonna be a weird feeling when he leaves us to join the Utah Jazz :lol

[Dex]

Wemby loves outdoors and nature and stuff, he doesn't really seem too enthralled by the big city lifestyle. His comments about Las Vegas a couple years ago at summer league kind of shined a light on that side of him. Honestly, bodes well for us if there is a chance he isn't swayed by the glamour of LA or NY when it comes to free agency etc.

Wyoming is beautiful, too. Same goes for Oregon...just magical nature out there.

[baseline bum]

Wyoming is beautiful, too. Same goes for Oregon...just magical nature out there.

Had a blast hiking up Disappointment Peak last time I was out there (named as such because it looks like it would be a good path up to Grand Teton until you get up there and find there is no reasonable route up the Grand from there :lol). Really gotta go back and backpack around Paintbrush Divide and all though Gannett Peak would be my dream Wyoming trip. Too bad it requires a lot of glacier traversal and a very long approach being out in the middle of nowhere though.

[baseline bum]

the fuck? :lol

You really gotta see Wyoming if you have never been. Between Grand Teton, Yellowstone, and The Winds it's one of the most stunning places in the nation. Plus you're right across the Montana state line from the Beartooths.

[baseline bum]

Gonna be a weird feeling when he leaves us to join the Utah Jazz :lol

Nah man Sacramento would be way more dangerous to poach Wemby given the proximity to Yosemite and Sequoia / Kings Canyon (prob my two favorite places on Earth).

[dn0774]

Gonna be a weird feeling when he leaves us to join the Utah Jazz :lol

God, anyone but Ainge.

[Ice009]

the fuck? :lol

How far away is Wyoming from SA?


I guess that's good news because it shows that flying isn't dangerous for him this soon after finding out about the clot.

Yes, I thought it'd be a while before he's allowed to fly. I wonder if shorter trips make any difference?


Wemby loves outdoors and nature and stuff, he doesn't really seem too enthralled by the big city lifestyle. His comments about Las Vegas a couple years ago at summer league kind of shined a light on that side of him. Honestly, bodes well for us if there is a chance he isn't swayed by the glamour of LA or NY when it comes to free agency etc.

That's really great to hear. Sounds like he's not too keen on the big cities. What was his comments about Las Vegas?


Gonna be a weird feeling when he leaves us to join the Utah Jazz :lol

Joking aside, what's it like in Utah nature wise? Does it have some really nice places?


Wyoming is beautiful, too. Same goes for Oregon...just magical nature out there.

Both places sound amazing. Oregon is a place I'd love to visit or even consider living if I ever moved to the US. I'd always heard great things about it nature wise, and I like those types of places much, much more over big cities.


You really gotta see Wyoming if you have never been. Between Grand Teton, Yellowstone, and The Winds it's one of the most stunning places in the nation. Plus you're right across the Montana state line from the Beartooths.

I'll look these places up online. Obviously, I've heard of Yellowstone due to the TV series, but there was this documentary I was meaning to watch about it (Yellowstone: Battle for Life), but haven't really looked where I can stream it from.


Nah man Sacramento would be way more dangerous to poach Wemby given the proximity to Yosemite and Sequoia / Kings Canyon (prob my two favorite places on Earth).

Didn't realize Sacramento had some nice areas.

[cutewizard]

Guys

Why was Wemby allowed in the plane

[Dex]

https://i.redd.it/gb6t74mf9fne1.jpeg

[koriwhat]

Sucks so bad to see a generational talent waste away on the bench in LV. I feel for Wemby.

[baseline bum]

Joking aside, what's it like in Utah nature wise? Does it have some really nice places?


The whole state of Utah is scenic as hell. Salt Lake City itself has a spectacular backdrop with the Uinta Mountains just east of town. Though my favorite part of Utah is the Moab area, one of the most beautiful deserts you could ever see. Arches National Park is absolute can't miss.




I'll look these places up online. Obviously, I've heard of Yellowstone due to the TV series, but there was this documentary I was meaning to watch about it (Yellowstone: Battle for Life), but haven't really looked where I can stream it from.


Yellowstone is this huge valley that's basically the caldera of the Yellowstone supervolcano that erupts every few hundred thousand years and has tons of interesting animal life as well as geysers and hot springs of the like you won't see anywhere else in this world (google Grand Prismatic Spring for example). It has great mountain hikes too but IMO the Beartooths just NE of Yellowstone and Grand Teton area a little south of Yellowstone are even better for that.




Didn't realize Sacramento had some nice areas.

Yosemite and Sequoia / Kings Canyon are definitely a drive from Sacramento, but are must sees if you like nature. If you ever plan on going out to California I can recommend some amazing stuff to do in the Yosemite area whether you want a relatively easy walk with a huge payoff (e.g., the Sentinel Dome hike) or a monster backpack off the beaten path to stunning lakes and mountains (say, the Sierra High Route).

[scott]

The whole state of Utah is scenic as hell. Salt Lake City itself has a spectacular backdrop with the Uinta Mountains just east of town. Though my favorite part of Utah is the Moab area, one of the most beautiful deserts you could ever see. Arches National Park is absolute can't miss.

Doing a summer road trip with the wife and kids to all the Utah parks this summer, really looking forward to it. Living in HI, where there is literally nowhere to drive, we’ve found these National Park roadtrips to be a lot of fun for our family vacations. We did all the way from Olympic & Rainer NPs to Santa Cruz last summer. We had planned to go all the way down to San Diego, but the PCH was closed through Big Sur so we just spent more time in NorCal

[mikec]

I guess that's good news because it shows that flying isn't dangerous for him this soon after finding out about the clot.

Long distance travel anything over 8 hours is a no no so soon after having a clot. First 3 months is the highest chance of it getting worse. Shorter distance travel is ok with proper precautions like staying well hydrated, moving up and about the cabin every hour.

[baseline bum]

Doing a summer road trip with the wife and kids to all the Utah parks this summer, really looking forward to it. Living in HI, where there is literally nowhere to drive, we’ve found these National Park roadtrips to be a lot of fun for our family vacations. We did all the way from Olympic & Rainer NPs to Santa Cruz last summer. We had planned to go all the way down to San Diego, but the PCH was closed through Big Sur so we just spent more time in NorCal

Even the interstate coming into Salt Lake was scenic as hell when I took it from Moab lol. Utah is right up there with Cali and Montana for my favorite states in the union.

[Robz4000]

Doing a summer road trip with the wife and kids to all the Utah parks this summer, really looking forward to it. Living in HI, where there is literally nowhere to drive, we’ve found these National Park roadtrips to be a lot of fun for our family vacations. We did all the way from Olympic & Rainer NPs to Santa Cruz last summer. We had planned to go all the way down to San Diego, but the PCH was closed through Big Sur so we just spent more time in NorCal

Just make sure you make reservations ahead of time. They fill up weeks in advance for the Utah parks iirc.

[Robz4000]

baseline bum seconded on Sequoia and Yosemite. Moro rock might be my favorite place on Earth tbh.

[baseline bum]

Just make sure you make reservations ahead of time. They fill up weeks in advance for the Utah parks iirc.

Oh man reservations are going to be fun this year with a bunch of the NPS laid off

[z0sa]

Guys

Why was Wemby allowed in the plane

Points even more to the clot being injury-caused.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Points even more to the clot being injury-caused.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing, for his recovery and chances at going back to 100 percent?

[mudyez]

Is this a good thing or a bad thing, for his recovery and chances at going back to 100 percent?

I'd guess it's a good thing in terms of not having to fear it beeing career ending and that all that counts.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Is this a good thing or a bad thing, for his recovery and chances at going back to 100 percent?

It’s good that apparently they can point to the exact reason that caused the clot, meaning it’s not a genetic one, which would threaten to cause further clots, like in Chris Bosh’s case. That’s why they seem so sure it’s an isolated thing, just like it was for Ingram and Thompson.

This is important for his long term health and career because medically if someone has a second occurrence they’d need to be on blood thinners their whole life, thus no high level sports.

[cutewizard]

What i am elated here is that Wemby is cheering a lot, he is a supportive teammate >>>

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qPYYC4s4GA

[cutewizard]

Good news then for our Wemby

Now if we can just strengthen the roster a little bit more.......

[SpurSpike]

Take this with a grain of salt but I was talking to a person the other day who claims to know someone in the Spurs organization. They told me a few things the Spurs are not sharing about Wemby and his condition.

They said that Wemby was on a vacation in Colorado after the all-star break when he woke up with a swollen shoulder. He went to a doctor in Colorado and was told he needed immediate surgery. He headed down to Denver the next day and had the surgery and has been in recovery since then. Supposedly he is feeling really good now.

This person also doesn't believe the spurs have good leadership right now and that Holt JR is an idiot with no backbone who showed up to a place he was supposed to give a speech in sweats which did not impress the attendees. This person also said that Popovich is not going to be returning to coach the team, even though he may want to.

Who knows how much (if any) of this is true but this might explain why he has been flying if the blood clot has already been taken care of through surgery. Also has me wondering how good Pop is really doing as we have still not seen him publicly since his stroke.

[scott]

Take this with a grain of salt but I was talking to a person the other day who claims to know someone in the Spurs organization. They told me a few things the Spurs are not sharing about Wemby and his condition.

They said that Wemby was on a vacation in Colorado after the all-star break when he woke up with a swollen shoulder. He went to a doctor in Colorado and was told he needed immediate surgery. He headed down to Denver the next day and had the surgery and has been in recovery since then. Supposedly he is feeling really good now.

This person also doesn't believe the spurs have good leadership right now and that Holt JR is an idiot with no backbone who showed up to a place he was supposed to give a speech in sweats which did not impress the attendees. This person also said that Popovich is not going to be returning to coach the team, even though he may want to.

Who knows how much (if any) of this is true but this might explain why he has been flying if the blood clot has already been taken care of through surgery. Also has me wondering how good Pop is really doing as we have still not seen him publicly since his stroke.

I don’t believe the surgery stuff… because there is no reason for the Spurs to lie about it. There is nothing to be gained by telling the story they are telling and nothing to be lost by saying he got surgery already if he had. There is just no motive to lie and thus no reason to believe this.

The Holt Jr and Pop stuff is totally believable though. The fac that Pop is still coach today is a pretty good indication that Spurs leadership doesn’t have a backbone.

[SpurSpike]

Yeah i didn't believe the surgery part at 1st either but if he still has a clot that they are using blood thinners to treat why would he be ok to fly?

[exstatic]

I don’t believe the surgery stuff… because there is no reason for the Spurs to lie about it. There is nothing to be gained by telling the story they are telling and nothing to be lost by saying he got surgery already if he had. There is just no motive to lie and thus no reason to believe this.

The Holt Jr and Pop stuff is totally believable though. The fac that Pop is still coach today is a pretty good indication that Spurs leadership doesn’t have a backbone.

It’s funny that IMMEDIATELY after winning that Dallas game and dropping from 8 to 10, they announced his shutdown. :rollin

[exstatic]

Yeah i didn't believe the surgery part at 1st either but if he still has a clot that they are using blood thinners to treat why would he be ok to fly?

Because the doctors said so?

[RC_Drunkford]

Who knows how much (if any) of this is true but this might explain why he has been flying if the blood clot has already been taken care of through surgery. Also has me wondering how good Pop is really doing as we have still not seen him publicly since his stroke.

Pop has been driving himself around San Antonio for over a month now, as reported by plenty of people from SA

[SpurSpike]

Pop has been driving himself around San Antonio for over a month now, as reported by plenty of people from SA

That's good to hear. If he is driving he must be feeling pretty good! That said having a stroke does not take your license away and some people drive when they really shouldn't...

[Ice009]

Take this with a grain of salt but I was talking to a person the other day who claims to know someone in the Spurs organization. They told me a few things the Spurs are not sharing about Wemby and his condition.

They said that Wemby was on a vacation in Colorado after the all-star break when he woke up with a swollen shoulder. He went to a doctor in Colorado and was told he needed immediate surgery. He headed down to Denver the next day and had the surgery and has been in recovery since then. Supposedly he is feeling really good now.

This person also doesn't believe the spurs have good leadership right now and that Holt JR is an idiot with no backbone who showed up to a place he was supposed to give a speech in sweats which did not impress the attendees. This person also said that Popovich is not going to be returning to coach the team, even though he may want to.

Who knows how much (if any) of this is true but this might explain why he has been flying if the blood clot has already been taken care of through surgery. Also has me wondering how good Pop is really doing as we have still not seen him publicly since his stroke.

Thanks for the info (even if it turns out to not be true, thanks for posting it).

So if he did get surgery (if it is true), why would they not mention it (anyone that knows about this stuff, what are your thoughts on it?)? It sounds like it was an emergency thing and there was no time for the Spurs to even get one of their guys to look at it first. If the blood clot was removed via surgery that sort makes sense why he's able to fly with the team. I thought he was not going to be able to fly anywhere for at least 2-3 months or so if he was just on blood thinners. Does removing the blood clot via surgery make any difference either positive or negative (if that is what happened)?

I do believe the part about Spurs leadership as people here have pretty much been saying the same thing for months. So even if Pop wants to come back, the team isn't going to let him? I really do wonder how Pop is doing, as like you said, hardly anyone has seen him. The players only just recently got to see him (from what I read), and I think it was mentioned they can see visible signs of it.

[dn0774]

Take this with a grain of salt but I was talking to a person the other day who claims to know someone in the Spurs organization. They told me a few things the Spurs are not sharing about Wemby and his condition.

They said that Wemby was on a vacation in Colorado after the all-star break when he woke up with a swollen shoulder. He went to a doctor in Colorado and was told he needed immediate surgery. He headed down to Denver the next day and had the surgery and has been in recovery since then. Supposedly he is feeling really good now.

This person also doesn't believe the spurs have good leadership right now and that Holt JR is an idiot with no backbone who showed up to a place he was supposed to give a speech in sweats which did not impress the attendees. This person also said that Popovich is not going to be returning to coach the team, even though he may want to.

Who knows how much (if any) of this is true but this might explain why he has been flying if the blood clot has already been taken care of through surgery. Also has me wondering how good Pop is really doing as we have still not seen him publicly since his stroke.

Thanks for sharing. I do recall a quick video clip on twitter of Wemby at the first game after the road trip and Champagnie (I think) and Wemby gave each other a little bump/hug. Wemby put his hand on his shoulder and made a wincing face when it happened, almost as if some procedure had been done in that area of his body. Or it could have just been tender due to the DVT.

Like has been mentioned, no reason for the Spurs not to acknowledge if a surgery did take place so that doesn’t add up. I don’t expect to hear much about Wemby and his recovery until training camp next season, though. Hopefully he will be fully available to start camp but the timeline is very tight (assuming 6 months). Ausar Thompson was cleared in November, I’m sure they would’ve liked to have him at training camp but at least he has seemed good to go so far.

[rjv]

^ausar's injury was also in late March, so about a full month after Wemby's, calendar wise.

[SpurSpike]

I don't believe there is any rule that specifically states that a player must publicly announce a surgery. Most players do so as it helps manage expectations but just saying that he has deep vein thrombosis was enough for people to understand he was out for the season.

[baseline bum]

Pop has been driving himself around San Antonio for over a month now, as reported by plenty of people from SA

RC is the one I'm worried about driving himself around San Antonio tbh

[baseline bum]

Take this with a grain of salt but I was talking to a person the other day who claims to know someone in the Spurs organization. They told me a few things the Spurs are not sharing about Wemby and his condition.

They said that Wemby was on a vacation in Colorado after the all-star break when he woke up with a swollen shoulder. He went to a doctor in Colorado and was told he needed immediate surgery. He headed down to Denver the next day and had the surgery and has been in recovery since then. Supposedly he is feeling really good now.

This person also doesn't believe the spurs have good leadership right now and that Holt JR is an idiot with no backbone who showed up to a place he was supposed to give a speech in sweats which did not impress the attendees. This person also said that Popovich is not going to be returning to coach the team, even though he may want to.

Who knows how much (if any) of this is true but this might explain why he has been flying if the blood clot has already been taken care of through surgery. Also has me wondering how good Pop is really doing as we have still not seen him publicly since his stroke.

Would be kind of weird seeing Wemby get surgery on a shoulder and he doesn't even have a sling though. Don't they want to immobilize that arm for a while after surgery?

[SpurSpike]

Would be kind of weird seeing Wemby get surgery on a shoulder and he doesn't even have a sling though. Don't they want to immobilize that arm for a while after surgery?

I'm no doctor so I cant really answer this but I see no reason to immobilize his arm. Quick google search of aftercare for deep vein thrombosis surgery doesn't mention limiting motion only a recommendation for compression stockings which he could have on under his cloths.

[ChumpDumper]

Would be kind of weird seeing Wemby get surgery on a shoulder and he doesn't even have a sling though. Don't they want to immobilize that arm for a while after surgery?

Guess I would leave that to the pros here to explain. My question would be which surgery was it -- just a vascular job to get rid of the clot or rooting around the bones to make room for the vein? I imagine the latter would take more recorvery.

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs' Victor Wembanyama doing 'extensive' conditioning work

"There's an extensive plan for him to be as active and aggressive as he wants to be without doing too much," acting Spurs coach Mitch Johnson said before Friday's game against Charlotte.

Wembanyama has been riding a stationary bike, lifting weights and doing other conditioning work while the Spurs wind down the season without him. The team announced Feb. 20 that the All-Star center's second season in the NBA had come to an end due to deep vein thrombosis in his right shoulder.


https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/wembanyama-extensive-conditioning-work-20222481.php

[dn0774]

Spurs' Victor Wembanyama doing 'extensive' conditioning work

"There's an extensive plan for him to be as active and aggressive as he wants to be without doing too much," acting Spurs coach Mitch Johnson said before Friday's game against Charlotte.

Wembanyama has been riding a stationary bike, lifting weights and doing other conditioning work while the Spurs wind down the season without him. The team announced Feb. 20 that the All-Star center's second season in the NBA had come to an end due to deep vein thrombosis in his right shoulder.


https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/wembanyama-extensive-conditioning-work-20222481.php

Mitch can’t even do a quote right, contradicts himself in the same sentence. Also, is he allowed to shoot basketballs yet?

[Sugus]

Spurs' Victor Wembanyama doing 'extensive' conditioning work

"There's an extensive plan for him to be as active and aggressive as he wants to be without doing too much," acting Spurs coach Mitch Johnson said before Friday's game against Charlotte.

Wembanyama has been riding a stationary bike, lifting weights and doing other conditioning work while the Spurs wind down the season without him. The team announced Feb. 20 that the All-Star center's second season in the NBA had come to an end due to deep vein thrombosis in his right shoulder.


https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/wembanyama-extensive-conditioning-work-20222481.php

Great to hear.

Setbacks are a part of life, and how people respond to them is what separates the greats from the what-ifs. I really think (and hope) this could be the launching pad for an elevation in Wemby's game moving forward.

Nothing worse for a strongly-driven person than being deprived of what they love to do.

[BatManu20]

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[Gandalf]

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What does it say? Half the time I can’t see twitter embeds on this site. Edit: and now it works, interview with Victor.