Shams: Wemby OUT for the Remainder of the Season

[BatManu20]

Holy shit

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[Bill_Brasky]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck

[Dejounte]

Welp. Tank for Flagg begins!

How serious is this injury? Will he play basketball ever again?

[LeBowen]

Welp. Tank for Flagg begins!

How serious is this injury? Will he play basketball ever again?

Can be an isolated issue that's dealt with in a month or two or he might literally die.
Let's hope for the best.

[Dejounte]

Apparently this is the same thing that forced Chris Bosh to retire due to the risk of pulmonary embolism.

[TimDunkem]

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[Dejounte]

The question on everybody’s minds: does he have this because he’s a giant?

[r0drig0lac]

fuck

[Dejounte]

Overly tall players being injury prone and not having long careers gets proven right again. Might as well have drafted Amen Thompson tbh. At least he’ll have a long career.

[Mal]

Cooper Flagg you are a Spur

But seriously, sucks for Wemby

[baseline bum]

Welp, time for De'Aaron to get that surgery as this season is cooked

[Robz4000]

His career is done tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[Floyd Pacquiao]

Could this have happened when he dove for the ball and hurt his shoulder? A player jumped on him while he was on the ground and landed on it

[baseline bum]

The question on everybody’s minds: does he have this because he’s a giant?

With the Spurs calling it an isolated incident I guess the hope is it's like the one Brandon Ingram had in 2019 where he was back better than ever once he was off blood thinners.

[Russ]

Fisrt Pop, now Wemby.

The Spurs training staff needs to start dispensing blood thinners.

[Ice009]

WTF man. Fucking terrible news.

Someone mentioned Chris Bosh? Is this the same thing Bosh had? What year was Bosh diagnosed with what he had. Is this fixable? What's the general cause of it?

I hope we don't get this secretive Spurs shit and be left in the dark. Did the other Spurs players know about this, or are they all just finding out about it now. De'Aaron didn't look down or anything in his interview I watched earlier today.

[scott]

Well fucking fuck.

Is Fox's surgery scheduled yet?

[baseline bum]

His career is done tbh.

Ingram had one in his arm six years ago that he came back fine from. Hopefully that's the case again. Scary shit though, DVT isn't just career threatening but life threatening. God 2025 has been nothing but a shitshow.

[chubbs]

sheesh :depressed

hope he recovers well, that's real unfortunate

[TrainOfThought5]

Tank Season begins now! Let’s get those trade values up fellas!! (Keldon,Vassell, Sochan)

[NickiRasgo]

Apparently this is the same thing that forced Chris Bosh to retire due to the risk of pulmonary embolism.

Brandon Ingram, not Chris Bosh

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/matthew_tynan/status/1892633817170448689?s=46

It’s so over. Fun while it was lasted, boys.

[Leetonidas]

Welp :pctoss

This season is fucked. Hope the kid is alright though. Scary situation

[RC_Drunkford]

Ingram had a similar condition once and that was it. Apparently it gets critical once it's veins leading to the heart and brain. Just gotta hope they are right that it's an isolated issue and he should be able to keep playing.


LOS ANGELES (AP) —Los Angeles Lakers forward Brandon Ingram will miss the rest of the season after being diagnosed with a deep venous thrombosis in his right arm.
The Lakers announced their decision on the former No. 2 overall draft pick Saturday.
Ingram has missed the Lakers’ past two games after he reported shoulder pain following a morning shootaround last Monday. Lakers coach Luke Walton said earlier this week that Ingram had pain whenever he attempted to lift his arm.
A deep venous thrombosis is a condition caused by a blood clot, frequently accompanied by swelling and pain in a limb. The condition usually occurs in legs, but can occur in the upper body.
Blood clots have affected several prominent athletes including Chris Bosh and Serena Williams in recent years. Bosh eventually retired due to blood clotting issues, but many other athletes have continued to play.

[Dejounte]

Brandon Ingram, not Chris Bosh

It’s both of them. Look it up.

[Arcadian]

Overly tall players being injury prone and not having long careers gets proven right again. Might as well have drafted Amen Thompson tbh. At least he’ll have a long career.

Wemby is only a little bit taller than Kareem, and that guy played 20+ years...

[LeBowen]

Overly tall players being injury prone and not having long careers gets proven right again. Might as well have drafted Amen Thompson tbh. At least he’ll have a long career.

The fuck?
Just take a walk or something before writing really dumb shit.

[Ice009]

Tank Season begins now! Let’s get those trade values up fellas!! (Keldon,Vassell, Sochan)

Like seriously, who gives a fuck about the tank at this point. I care more about what is going on with Victor. Couldn't give a shit if the Spurs finish first, second, 8th or last.

[scott]

Don't know how to post Bluesky posts but Mike Finger is saying "Spurs are optimistic Wembanyama will recover in time for next season. Not worried about his long-term health. I’m told this is not as serious as the Chris Bosh blood clot issue."

[RC_Drunkford]

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[Ice009]

Don't know how to post Bluesky posts but Mike Finger is saying "Spurs are optimistic Wembanyama will recover in time for next season. Not worried about his long-term health. I’m told this is not as serious as the Chris Bosh blood clot issue."

Well that sounds a little better, but what causes these issues? Is this something that has to be treated long-term, or can you recover and be alright with no further treatment/s? Anyone know?

[LeBowen]

Don't know how to post Bluesky posts but Mike Finger is saying "Spurs are optimistic Wembanyama will recover in time for next season. Not worried about his long-term health. I’m told this is not as serious as the Chris Bosh blood clot issue."

I'd assume this means no Eurobasket for him this summer.

Btw, Ausar Thompson had blood clots last year, was out from March until November.

[SupremeGuy]

All about the tank! Shut down Fox too tbh.

[Ice009]

At first I thought it was a joke in the game thread, then I thought maybe he had a minor/semi-serious issue and the Spurs were shutting him down to tank. Didn't think it was anything serious or life threatening.

[BatManu20]

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Good news. Best case scenario obv. Hopefully this is a one-off and he never has to deal with this bullshit again. Time will tell I guess but still a kick in the nuts.

[Russ]

This has that ominous feeling like that initial Za Za Pachulia gut punch.

[benefactor]

It's much more concerning in the legs. It is still potentially serious but the scenario with Ingram is much more likely than the scenario with Bosh. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

[Bill_Brasky]

All about the tank! Shut down Fox too tbh.

Yeah! After I go to the game tonight, that is.

[BatManu20]

All about the tank! Shut down Fox too tbh.

Shut down the entire starting 5 tbh. We need to lose every single game here on out. Let Branham and Wesley play major minutes. Should've traded CP3 to a contender when we had the chance tbh.

[scott]

Glad it has been discovered and is being treated now. Vic will come back better than ever.

[Ice009]

I'd assume this means no Eurobasket for him thi summer.

Btw, Ausar Thompson had blood clots last year, was out from March until November.

I didn't know Ausar also had something similar. I guess since he was on Detroit and they were so terrible, I didn't follow them in the slightest. I am glad their are doing well as a team this year, though, as they have a lot of really good players on the team.

I assume Ausar has been OK this season health wise?

[stephen jackson]

Hopefully that YouTube doc does a deep dive into this hopefully he’s ok

[Truckules]

For those panicking about the long term implications, I wouldn't freak out just yet. It's been reported that Vic had some sort of respiratory illness, and flu and COVID are significant risk factors for deep vein thrombosis. There's a fair chance this is a one off issue.

[Robz4000]

Shut down the entire starting 5 tbh. We need to lose every single game here on out. Let Branham and Wesley play major minutes. Should've traded CP3 to a contender when we had the chance tbh.

Hopefully CP0 is waived sooner rather than later tbh.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Ingram had a similar condition once and that was it. Apparently it gets critical once it's veins leading to the heart and brain. Just gotta hope they are right that it's an isolated issue and he should be able to keep playing.

Indeed. Ingram also had the DVT in his right shoulder just as Wemby has been diagnosed with. In Street Clothes had this to say about Ingram's condition - https://instreetclothes.com/2019/03/09/understanding-brandon-ingrams-deep-vein-thrombosis

If Wemby's issue is similar to that of Ingram and there is also the precedent of Christian Koloko recovering and coming back to play, then I think there is the hope that all will be well with him soon.

That said, I am just glad that the Spurs diagnosed this quickly. Here's hoping Wemby recovers quickly and is able to get back to his love of playing basketball. The kid is a gem not just as a basketball player but as a human being. He deserves the best.

[DAF86]

Well, that sucks. I hope everything turns out great for Wemby.

Now, just shut down Fox, buy out CP3 if he wants to. Make Castle the #1 option and let's capture the Flagg :flag:

[Arcadian]

Does this make him ineligible for DPOY?

That would be a massive shame, if so, because he basically had it secured already...

[spurraider21]

i hereby apologize and rescind any sneezy remarks

[skin27]

Fck.. he’s the only reason i subscribed to league pass

[Bill_Brasky]

This has that ominous feeling like that initial Za Za Pachulia gut punch.

Or maybe it'll be like when DRob hurt his back.

[z0sa]

Upper extremity DVT is less serious than lower extremity DVT, but very problematic nonetheless. Highly serious condition that could require lifetime anticoagulant therapy and cut short his career, maybe by a lot. Hopefully not, but there's really no way to tell how such a condition will be managed considering its potentially life-threatening nature and the fact it can recur

I'm going to read up more on this and see if I can find anything of note using some of the examples in this thread and available literature.

[BatManu20]

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[rjv]

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[Trainwreck2100]

It's not a Bosh situation, boshs issue was that he had more than 1 clot

[Leetonidas]

I wonder how long he's been dealing with this. Dude looked like he was having issues breathing for awhile. We all assumed it was allergies or sickness but maybe it was a side effect of this on his lungs. Scary shit

[LeBowen]

Idk about that Spurs believe it's an isolate issue thing.
What are they supposed to say? That he's going to retire?

[RC_Drunkford]

Does this make him ineligible for DPOY?

That would be a massive shame, if so, because he basically had it secured already...

yes he won't win DPOY cause he played less than 65 games

[NickiRasgo]

It’s both of them. Look it up.

Blood clot, yes. I'm aware. Chris Bosh's blood clot is in leg and lungs while Brandon Ingram is shoulder - similar to the reported on Wemby but nevertheless, it's still scary for Wemby's career or life and let's hope for the best.

[Arcadian]

Upper extremity DVT is less serious than lower extremity DVT, but very problematic nonetheless. Highly serious condition that could require lifetime anticoagulant therapy and cut short his career, maybe by a lot. Hopefully not, but there's really no way to tell how such a condition will be managed considering its potentially life-threatening nature and the fact it can recur

I'm going to read up more on this and see if I can find anything of note using some of the examples in this thread and available literature.

And the fact that he's getting diagnosed at 21 years old is concerning. Is this a rare thing to happen in people that young?

[Robz4000]

Idk about that Spurs believe it's an isolate issue thing.
What are they supposed to say? That he's going to retire?

This tbh.

[Arcadian]

yes he won't win DPOY cause he played less than 65 games

Ugh, terrible. And same with All-NBA teams?

[Russ]

It's much more concerning in the legs. It is still potentially serious but the scenario with Ingram is much more likely than the scenario with Bosh. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

But isn't the right shoulder closer to the lungs than the leg?

[z0sa]

Idk about that Spurs believe it's an isolate issue thing.
What are they supposed to say? That he's going to retire?

Yeah, no way they are going to immediately say his career is over or anything like that, especially considering the timeline for safely eliminating the clot as is.

It'll be years before we know if this was a unique occurrence or not.

[BatManu20]

Idk about that Spurs believe it's an isolate issue thing.
What are they supposed to say? That he's going to retire?

My concern as well. Could just be a PR move to calm the masses while they figure out what's going on with him.

[Dex]

:pctoss

Get well soon, our gentle giant.

[Arcadian]

Whoever wins DPOY now will have the biggest fucking asterisk ever... "DPOY" (other than the guy who blocked 4 shots a game)

[hater]

RIP Wemby

He had a decent 2 year career :cry

[LeBowen]

It'll be years before we know if this was a unique occurrence or not.

This is exactly why I always argued against those take the long approach fans.
Shit can always happen and Spurs have to take advantage of Wemby while he's available.

I wonder how will this affects this summer's strategy.

[spurraider21]

text message w/ doctor buddy of mine who does sports medicine

caveat that he's a laker fun

https://i.gyazo.com/3e2c26d89e4cd59f17480c225680abad.png

[hater]

Thank God we have Castle

Otherwise we might as well retire the entire franchise

Smdh. What a terrible situation.

Hopefully Wemby made enough $ to live confortably the rest of his life

[Bill_Brasky]

Idk about that Spurs believe it's an isolate issue thing.
What are they supposed to say? That he's going to retire?

I really hope it means that they have tested him for blood clotting issues and found none but that's just hoping for the best probably. Just hope they are right.

[John B]

Pop coming to the facility for sure had to be there physically to make the decision. Praying for Wemby speedy recovery.

I think Fox should get his thumb surgery now. I just don’t know if CP3 wants to stay.

What happens to Wemby’s bid for DPOY? Will he have enough game to qualify?

Also time to keep sending Castle to get his ROTY.

[Spurminator]

What a shitty NBA season altogether, when does MLB Spring Training start?

[z0sa]

But isn't the right shoulder closer to the lungs than the leg?

Lower extremity veins have a larger diameter, meaning the clot can become larger and/or be freed more easily to travel to the lungs

[spurraider21]

Idk about that Spurs believe it's an isolate issue thing.
What are they supposed to say? That he's going to retire?
i mean you probably say nothing. he's out for the season, being evaluated, we'll provide updates along the way. but you wouldnt state one way or another its isolated or w/e unless you have reason to. or at least one shouldnt

[Rosewood]

Overly tall players being injury prone and not having long careers gets proven right again. Might as well have drafted Amen Thompson tbh. At least he’ll have a long career.
This is really what you went with, huh?

[Russ]

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It's hard to imagine them saying anything else.

The fact that they (i.e., the Spurs) said anything seems pretty significant.

[rjv]

right on schedule. here come all the resident hematologists and vascular surgeons.

[LeBowen]

I'll risk being a retard, but as someone who doesn't know shit about medicine, why the blood thinners and not just blood clot removal?
If organs are being replaced with ease, what's the issue with blood clots if it's just an isolated incident and not a condition that causes more clots to form?

[BackHome]

Damn that is some scary stuff though from reading the posts it sounds like he can come back as good or better next year. I wonder if this was the reason he was always tired and not playing very well the last couple of games?

As far as Spurs are concerned shut down Fox for hand surgery and as someone said let’s go capture the Flagg.

[BatManu20]

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[Robz4000]

What a shitty NBA season altogether, when does MLB Spring Training start?

Doyers killed MLB tbh.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

text message w/ doctor buddy of mine who does sports medicine

caveat that he's a laker fun

https://i.gyazo.com/3e2c26d89e4cd59f17480c225680abad.png
What do you think the spurs are lying that it’s not in his lungs or misdiagnosing him?

[hater]

Yeah this sounds exactly like Chris Bosch situation

Difference is Wemby is only 20

But him being ruled out for the aeason means this is a 10 out of 10 in seriousness

[NASpurs]

What do you think the spurs are lying that it’s not in his lungs or misdiagnosing him?

This whole sentence is giving me Kawhi flashbacks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ugh, terrible. And same with All-NBA teams?

every award there is, including All-NBA. JJJ gon win DPOY now.

[rjv]

this thread will reach over a hundred pages with the usual suspects claiming to know, not only everything there is to know about a thrombosis of the shoulder, but also Wemby's personal health. i guess it's just too hard to wait it out and abide by Occam's razor.

[rjv]

Yeah this sounds exactly like Chris Bosch situation

Difference is Wemby is only 20

But him being ruled out for the aeason means this is a 10 out of 10 in seriousness

hater with his one millionth doomsday post. how to you even get out of bed every morning?

[benefactor]

I'll risk being a retard, but as someone who doesn't know shit about medicine, why the blood thinners and not just blood clot removal?
If organs are being replaced with ease, what's the issue with blood clots if it's just an isolated incident and not a condition that causes more clots to form?
It's just too dangerous and risky to try to do that when using blood thinners is perfectly safe and proven.

[John B]

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It's hard to imagine them saying anything else.

The fact that they (i.e., the Spurs) said anything seems pretty significant.

Knowing the Spurs, they don’t rush to state anything unless they are sure. They could’ve said, “the medical staff are still evaluating, for now he will avoid any physical activities until it is safe for him to come back.”

I’m optimistic

[rjv]

every award there is, including All-NBA. JJJ gon win DPOY now.

i wonder how this impacts his max extension down the road? or if it does at all?

[spurraider21]

What do you think the spurs are lying that it’s not in his lungs or misdiagnosing him?
i mean its possible his conditioning issues were legitimately allergy related and he was having a separate upper respiratory issue

[BatManu20]

So it was the reason for his poor conditioning then..?

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[bevo]

Damn that is some scary stuff though from reading the posts it sounds like he can come back as good or better next year. I wonder if this was the reason he was always tired and not playing very well the last couple of games?

As far as Spurs are concerned shut down Fox for hand surgery and as someone said let’s go capture the Flagg.

He will be given blood thinners and be followed to make sure it doesn't get worse. Can do percutaneous thrombectomy, but generally reserved for pulmonary emboli and not peripheral clots. Risk of him having bleeding issues with contact with medication

[Russ]

Lower extremity veins have a larger diameter, meaning the clot can become larger and/or be freed more easily to travel to the lungs

I have a friend with blood clots in his noticeably swollen left lower leg that literally cannot be gotten rid of.

(He still kicks my ass every time we play golf. And he even surfs which I could never do.)

[hater]

Damn

Wemby telling Jokic "Im young, I can run" in the allstar game hits hard :cry

[spurraider21]

with a shoulder issue i would imagine he's going to have a tough time wiping his own ass

[John B]

Yeah this sounds exactly like Chris Bosch situation

Difference is Wemby is only 20

But him being ruled out for the aeason means this is a 10 out of 10 in seriousness

Blood clotting is serious hence they are shutting him down period. But for PATFO to state that they are optimistic that he will be back by next season should be a good news. The Spurs are known not to rush making statements unless they are certain

[SupremeGuy]

I'll risk being a retard, but as someone who doesn't know shit about medicine, why the blood thinners and not just blood clot removal?
If organs are being replaced with ease, what's the issue with blood clots if it's just an isolated incident and not a condition that causes more clots to form?Safest and least invasive. Surgery is a last a resort.

[Spurminator]

hater with his one millionth doomsday post. how to you even get out of bed every morning?

Doomsday excites him. His kink is chaos.

[scott]

i wonder how this impacts his max extension down the road? or if it does at all?

It could potentially impact it and limit him to a 25% max rookie extension instead of a 30% max rookie extension.

To get a 30% max, by the end of his 4th season he will have needed to:



Win MVP, or
Make an All NBA team in his 4th season or two of the three proceeding seasons.


If he hasn't met that criteria, he can only sign a 25% max extension, HOWEVER it can be written that if in his 5th year he wins MVP or makes All NBA then the extension triggers the higher max amount.

Vet supermax extensions have an extra trigger if you win DPOY, but not Rookie Supermax extensions

[baseline bum]

Doyers killed MLB tbh.

At least one good thing about this last year

[Arcadian]

Also time to keep sending Castle to get his ROTY.

On the bright side, this should help Castle win ROTY since he'll presumably be carrying more of the offensive load now...

[baseline bum]

I'll risk being a retard, but as someone who doesn't know shit about medicine, why the blood thinners and not just blood clot removal?
If organs are being replaced with ease, what's the issue with blood clots if it's just an isolated incident and not a condition that causes more clots to form?

If it becomes a pulmonary embolism it's life threatening.

[hater]

But for PATFO to state that they are optimistic that he will be back by next season should be a good news. The Spurs are known not to rush making statements unless they are certain

Lmao u kidding right?

Nobody knows the longtime prognosis at this point

Its just wishful thinking by Spurs

[Pauleta14]

Does this make him ineligible for DPOY?

That would be a massive shame, if so, because he basically had it secured already...

It's over, he won't reach the 65 games

It makes me think of all the media saying last season "he has time to get the DPOY" to justify not voting for him smh

[Leetonidas]

Bro I'm legit depressed now. This fucking sucks. Watching our developing team is one of my few escapes from this shitty reality we're living in. God dammit this sucks balls

[hater]

Covid

Vaccines


Just leaving theae 2 words out there tbqh...

[benefactor]

He will likely be on blood thinners for the rest of his life but that should not affect his play in any way.

[Russ]

This whole sentence is giving me Kawhi flashbacks.

I sure hope this doesn't end up in recriminations between "camps" that forever taint the relationship.

(Although Wemby doesn't seem like the type.)

[RC_Drunkford]

So it was the reason for his poor conditioning then..?

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How can thrombosis in his shoulder affect his overall energy levels though? That almost seems to be a lung issue.

[Degoat]

Big Gut punch for the season tbh but we can’t rule him out long term, gotta believe it’s an isolated occurrence

[John B]

Wemby is a fighter and we’re talking about a multi-billion player with all the endorsements, money for the game, the city. Wemby will have all the experts all over the world to help him get through this.

[scott]

He will likely be on blood thinners for the rest of his life but that should not affect his play in any way.

Would a doctor clear a player if he's on blood thinners for the rest of his life? With the amount of contact and falling down in basketball seems like that would be a concern. I know they get extremely concerned about normal patients on blood thinners being a fall risk due to the possibility of excessive bleeding

[Arcadian]

It's over, he won't reach the 65 games

It makes me think of all the media saying last season "he has time to get the DPOY" to justify not voting for him smh

And of course, this happens the year after they introduce the 65 game minimum. So if it was 2023, he could have still won awards.

This is balls, man.

[Russ]

Covid

Vaccines


Just leaving theae 2 words out there tbqh...

Fuck you.

(Just leaving these two words out there. :))

[BatManu20]

Okay this made me lol :lol

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[mikec]

I'm a hematologist. I think Victor may have this:

Paget-Schroetter: A Thrombosis Syndrome in the Young and Healthy | ASH Clinical News | American Society of Hematology (https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/6225/Paget-Schroetter-A-Thrombosis-Syndrome-in-the)

He will need to be on blood thinners (anticoagulation) for a period of time. Sometimes thrombolysis (destroy clot with a catheter) or surgery is needed. If he indeed has this, then he will make a full recovery and this should not threaten his career. I suspect Spurs medical staff will have him get a CT scan of the lungs to make sure there is not blood clot in the lungs.

[Mugen]

Well I guess it wasn't allergies :lol

[Raven]

good god.

[Mal]

I'm a hematologist. I think Victor may have this:

Paget-Schroetter: A Thrombosis Syndrome in the Young and Healthy | ASH Clinical News | American Society of Hematology (https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/6225/Paget-Schroetter-A-Thrombosis-Syndrome-in-the)

He will need to be on blood thinners (anticoagulation) for a period of time. Sometimes thrombolysis (destroy clot with a catheter) or surgery is needed. If he indeed has this, then he will make a full recovery and this should not threaten his career. I suspect Spurs medical staff will have him get a CT scan of the lungs to make sure there is not blood clot in the lungs.

Does discovering this shit earlier makes a difference ? Not like before a stroke, but as with cancer

[scott]

I'm a hematologist. I think Victor may have this:

Paget-Schroetter: A Thrombosis Syndrome in the Young and Healthy | ASH Clinical News | American Society of Hematology (https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/6225/Paget-Schroetter-A-Thrombosis-Syndrome-in-the)

He will need to be on blood thinners (anticoagulation) for a period of time. Sometimes thrombolysis (destroy clot with a catheter) or surgery is needed. If he indeed has this, then he will make a full recovery and this should not threaten his career. I suspect Spurs medical staff will have him get a CT scan of the lungs to make sure there is not blood clot in the lungs.

Thanks for weighing and good to have you here!

As a hematologist, what are your thoughts on the possibility of Wemby playing while on blood thinners? My experience when I had to be on blood thinners briefly (following a minor stroke) was that doctors were very hesitant to have me doing anything that presented a bleeding risk.

Thanks for being here to lend actual expertise to concerned fans!

[spurraider21]

I'm a hematologist. I think Victor may have this:

Paget-Schroetter: A Thrombosis Syndrome in the Young and Healthy | ASH Clinical News | American Society of Hematology (https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/6225/Paget-Schroetter-A-Thrombosis-Syndrome-in-the)

He will need to be on blood thinners (anticoagulation) for a period of time. Sometimes thrombolysis (destroy clot with a catheter) or surgery is needed. If he indeed has this, then he will make a full recovery and this should not threaten his career. I suspect Spurs medical staff will have him get a CT scan of the lungs to make sure there is not blood clot in the lungs.
thanks for the info, this is good stuff.

i guess ill ask you what i asked my doctor buddy (not a hemotologist, so you'd be a more authoritative figure to ask)... would DVT in the shoulder, without a clot in the lungs, have any explanatory power for shortness of breath or lack of energy?

[BatManu20]

Well I guess it wasn't allergies :lol

RIP "Sneezy" nickname tbh.

[Chillen]

Something seemed off with him the past couple weeks and they said he had an upper respiratory infection. Even sick he was putting up great numbers. He will likely be on blood thinners the rest of his life but I am glad they caught it before it got any worse. Ingram had the same condition and came back so I hope he recovers and is able to come back and play at a high level and it's not career ending.

[benefactor]

Would a doctor clear a player if he's on blood thinners for the rest of his life? With the amount of contact and falling down in basketball seems like that would be a concern. I know they get extremely concerned about normal patients on blood thinners being a fall risk due to the possibility of excessive bleeding
They can design different types of blood thinner regimen for people who are athletes. They can go on and off of them. He can take them during the off season when there's less contact involved

[ffadicted]

Right, imma go ahead and take the insanely optimistic route of this being a one off case:

* We weren't gonna make the play-ins anyway. Let's tank for better draft positioning.
* Might as well get Fox fixed up at this point too. Even more tanking goodness for draft positioning.
* Unleash the Castle. Get him the ROTY and let him just do whatever he wants to develop.
* Give Vassell and Keldon more minutes, up their trade value as proven tank commanders for the offseason moves.
* Spurs hopefully wake up to the fact a great backup big is super important this offseason to not run wemby into the ground, and make the right moves
* No Euro ball for Wemby this summer. He'll be cleared for a full offseason of prep and conditioning and training
* Missing out on DPOY and All NBA will light a fire in Wemby's soul, he'll come back with a vengeance next season. 30/12/5 with 6 stocks

When god gives you shit smeared lemons, you make lemonade

[BatManu20]

This PT says he thinks Wemby will be alright long-term. 3 months of blood-thinners and then reevaluate.

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[Russ]

Does discovering this shit earlier makes a difference ? Not like before a stroke, but as with cancer

Funny you should mention cancer.

My friend with the lower leg blood clots was sent to see an oncologist even though it's not cancer.

For some reason oncologists seem to have some connection with/insight into this situation.

[Maddog]

How can thrombosis in his shoulder affect his overall energy levels though? That almost seems to be a lung issue.

inflammatory reaction to the DVT
Haven't read the whole thread but anybody say what blood vessel?
Upper extremity DVTs are much less likely to embolize to the ungs.

Sometimes these are due to anatomical abnormalities thoracic outlet syndrome

[Arcadian]

I was assuming this was unrelated to his illness from 2 or 3 weeks ago (after the Paris games), but some of you are thinking it was related?

[Mugen]

RIP "Sneezy" nickname tbh.

"Clots McGee" tbh.

[Ice009]

text message w/ doctor buddy of mine who does sports medicine

caveat that he's a laker fun

https://i.gyazo.com/3e2c26d89e4cd59f17480c225680abad.png

OK, that doesn't sound good. I thought that might have been the cause of his fatigue, struggling to breath.

I hope Victor recovers for his sake, not for any of us as fans. The kid loves basketball and works super hard. Great person too. It hurts looking back at how hard he played in the all-star game while having this shit happen to him.

Hopefully it's a good thing the Spurs picked this up sooner.


I'm a hematologist. I think Victor may have this:

Paget-Schroetter: A Thrombosis Syndrome in the Young and Healthy | ASH Clinical News | American Society of Hematology (https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/6225/Paget-Schroetter-A-Thrombosis-Syndrome-in-the)

He will need to be on blood thinners (anticoagulation) for a period of time. Sometimes thrombolysis (destroy clot with a catheter) or surgery is needed. If he indeed has this, then he will make a full recovery and this should not threaten his career. I suspect Spurs medical staff will have him get a CT scan of the lungs to make sure there is not blood clot in the lungs.

Thanks for posting. I really appreciate you giving us some general information about it.

I asked/posted about it earlier, as I thought the fatigue and breathing may be because of this. If it is not related, what could be causing those issues? Any idea on that? Those are the issues that had me wondering what is going on with him the past week or two. You could clearly see he was struggling out there.

[spurs10]

I'm a hematologist. I think Victor may have this:

Paget-Schroetter: A Thrombosis Syndrome in the Young and Healthy | ASH Clinical News | American Society of Hematology (https://ashpublications.org/ashclinicalnews/news/6225/Paget-Schroetter-A-Thrombosis-Syndrome-in-the)

He will need to be on blood thinners (anticoagulation) for a period of time. Sometimes thrombolysis (destroy clot with a catheter) or surgery is needed. If he indeed has this, then he will make a full recovery and this should not threaten his career. I suspect Spurs medical staff will have him get a CT scan of the lungs to make sure there is not blood clot in the lungs. Seems surgery would be the best way to go. Thanks for weighing in here with your expertise.

[Mugen]

Bright side he won't be playing internationally this summer

[bevo]

Funny you should mention cancer.

My friend with the lower leg blood clots was sent to see an oncologist even though it's not cancer.

For some reason oncologists seem to have some connection with/insight into this situation.

Oncology training includes hematology. So this is in there wheel house of training and mangement.

[Chillen]

I was assuming this was unrelated to his illness from 2 or 3 weeks ago (after the Paris games), but some of you are thinking it was related?

It probably was but glad they caught it when they did because if he kept playing dude might have collapsed on the court. The blood thinners after a few months will get rid of the clot and he will have to stay on them the rest of his life.

[Mal]

text message w/ doctor buddy of mine who does sports medicine

caveat that he's a laker fun

https://i.gyazo.com/3e2c26d89e4cd59f17480c225680abad.png

Ask if some issue causing lack of energy, could cause this blood clot

[benefactor]

If there is anything optimistic to take out of this, it came at the best time it could have come. He's very young and should make a full recovery according to most reports. And you have the fact we are in position to be at the top of the draft more than once. No one wants this to happen but if it's going to this is best case scenario.

[NASpurs]

"Clots McGee" tbh.

Thromby.

I apologize.

[pookenstein]

I don't give a fuck about our season.
I don't give a fuck about Wemby not getting DPOY or All NBA.

I just hope he'll have a full recovery. Get well soon, Wemby!

[Blizzardwizard]

He hadn't looked the same conditioning-wise since coming back from Denver at the start of the year.


I also think back to when GG Jackson landed square on Wemby's right shoulder when they both dove for a loose ball in Memphis a few weeks ago.


Entirely unqualified speculation of course but could that have exacerbated an existing issue?

[Ice009]

It probably was but glad they caught it when they did because if he kept playing dude might have collapsed on the court. The blood thinners after a few months will get rid of the clot and he will have to stay on them the rest of his life.

How do you know he'll have to stay on them the rest of his life? Staying on blood thinners doesn't sound good at all.

[benefactor]

Thromby.

I apologize.
lol...perfect

[The Truth #6]

From Open Evidence, an AI medical website I use.

A blood clot in the shoulder typically refers to a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) in the upper extremity, specifically involving the veins of the shoulder region, such as the subclavian, axillary, or brachial veins. This condition can arise due to various factors, including trauma, surgery, or repetitive strain.
One specific type of upper extremity DVT is Paget-Schroetter syndrome, also known as effort thrombosis, which is often seen in athletes or individuals engaging in repetitive upper limb activities. This syndrome involves thrombosis of the subclavian vein and presents with symptoms such as painful swelling, discoloration, and visible collateral veins in the affected arm.[1-2]

[Arcadian]

I don't give a fuck about our season.
I don't give a fuck about Wemby not getting DPOY or All NBA.

I just hope he'll have a full recovery. Get well soon, Wemby!

Of course his health is the #1 concern, but I'm operating from the assumption that he recovers and goes on to have a long career. If that does happen, it sucks that he's getting deprived of significant career accolades.

[scott]

Funny you should mention cancer.

My friend with the lower leg blood clots was sent to see an oncologist even though it's not cancer.

For some reason oncologists seem to have some connection with/insight into this situation.

Yeah, I see a hematologist as well who offices in an oncology clinic. Scared the shit out of me when I first got referred and I was showing up to an oncology clinic... my first reaction was "is there something they aren't telling me?" (Everything turned out fine)

[Ice009]

I don't give a fuck about our season.
I don't give a fuck about Wemby not getting DPOY or All NBA.

I just hope he'll have a full recovery. Get well soon, Wemby!

Yeah, I agree with you there.


He hadn't looked the same conditioning-wise since coming back from Denver at the start of the year.


I also think back to when GG Jackson landed square on Wemby's right shoulder when they both dove for a loose ball in Memphis a few weeks ago.


Entirely unqualified speculation of course but could that have exacerbated an existing issue?

Very interesting. I wonder if that could have played a part. He was looking amazing in that first Denver game. He really was looking like a top 3 player on the planet and playing amazing. And I wonder if GG landing on him, like you just said, if that could have exacerbated anything?
Good observations.

[cd98]

Umpf...I have always been scared about Victor's health cutting his career short...like I can't be grateful for the incredible luck the Spurs had in getting the number one pick and getting a generational talent. This just feeds on my fears. First and foremost, hope the dude is healthy and gets better as he is young and has much of life yet to live regardless if this ever stopped him from playing basketball again. Second, selfishly hope that he returns next year to lead a loaded squad that is good for years to come. We in SA have been spoiled with great basketball players: Gervin, Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Kawhi (I know, I know), and Manu being the best of the best. Please Basketball Gods just give us Wemby even though we don't deserve him.

[spurraider21]

"Clots McGee" tbh.
he's at risk of a wembolism

[Ice009]

From Open Evidence, an AI medical website I use.

A blood clot in the shoulder typically refers to a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) in the upper extremity, specifically involving the veins of the shoulder region, such as the subclavian, axillary, or brachial veins. This condition can arise due to various factors, including trauma, surgery, or repetitive strain.
One specific type of upper extremity DVT is Paget-Schroetter syndrome, also known as effort thrombosis, which is often seen in athletes or individuals engaging in repetitive upper limb activities. This syndrome involves thrombosis of the subclavian vein and presents with symptoms such as painful swelling, discoloration, and visible collateral veins in the affected arm.[1-2]

That's super interesting. Sounds like it could be due to him being an athlete repetitive training/movements, trauma etc.

The trauma thing, Blizzardwizard mentioned that GG Jackson fell on his right shoulder a few weeks ago. I wonder if that bit of trauma could have contributed to this?
Does anyone remember if this is also around the time he started having breathing issues, started looking fatigued?

[Atl Spur]

Shortness of breath is a sign; that’s what prompted me to go into the ER in 2021. I work out everyday but gradually I started feeling as if I was lacking cardio, nope I had a PE! Them joints will kill you if not treated properly!! Blood thinner at a low dose will not be to big of a deal ( equivalent to baby aspirin ). Praying for the kid!

[spurraider21]

so he needs to stop shooting so many 3's

for his health

[exstatic]

Apparently this is the same thing that forced Chris Bosh to retire due to the risk of pulmonary embolism.

Bosh’s was more widespread, and in the veins of both legs.

[The Truth #6]

Paget-Schroetter syndrome is a form of primary upper extremity deep vein thrombosis (UEDVT) that typically occurs in young, otherwise healthy individuals following strenuous or repetitive activity involving the upper extremities. This condition is also known as "effort thrombosis" and involves the spontaneous thrombosis of the subclavian or axillary vein.[1-3]
The pathophysiology of Paget-Schroetter syndrome involves compression of the subclavian vein at the thoracic outlet, often exacerbated by repetitive arm movements. This compression can lead to endothelial injury and subsequent thrombosis. Clinical presentation usually includes painful swelling, discoloration, and visible collateral veins in the affected arm.[1-2]
Diagnosis is typically confirmed through imaging modalities such as Doppler ultrasound, venography, or magnetic resonance venography (MRV).[4-5] Early diagnosis and treatment are crucial to prevent complications such as post-thrombotic syndrome and pulmonary embolism.[6]
Management of Paget-Schroetter syndrome generally involves a combination of anticoagulation therapy, thrombolysis, and surgical decompression. Initial treatment often includes catheter-directed thrombolysis to dissolve the clot, followed by anticoagulation to prevent recurrence. Surgical intervention, such as first rib resection and anterior scalenectomy, is frequently performed to relieve the venous compression and prevent future thrombosis.[1-2][7

[Mugen]

Keep it comin' tbh

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[Ice009]

Shortness of breath is a sign; that’s what prompted me to go into the ER in 2021. I work out everyday but gradually I started feeling as if I was lacking cardio, nope I had a PE! Them joints will kill you if not treated properly!! Blood thinner at a low dose will not be to big of a deal ( equivalent to baby aspirin ). Praying for the kid!

How are you doing now? Are you OK? If you have a PE, I assume that is super dangerous at that point. Do you have to always take blood thinners even if it's a low dose?

Do they know what caused it in your case?

[exstatic]

Could this have happened when he dove for the ball and hurt his shoulder? A player jumped on him while he was on the ground and landed on it

I think this is probably the case. I remembered that when I read the news.

[Uriel]

Well, I guess this is a win for Biyombo.

[TDomination]

Get well soon Wemby!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

DPOY lives on another year before it has to be named after Wemby.

Seriously, hope he gets well and ready to come back with a vengeance next season.

As for this season, I'm on team tank now. Have Fox do his finger surgery, let Sochan get Wemby's shot diet, play Branham at center. I want no more than 23 wins.

[Thebesteva]

His career is sadly over...I'm an ER doctor doesnt mean I'm right but if you ask me if an athlete has a thrombus in their peripheral what it means? I cant imagine him playing longer than 3 years at best. Shame...hell I routinely diagnose this in sweet old ladies and tell them their days of doing whatever they wanna do are limited now much less a franchise athelete...shame because the kids amazing. Spurs dont deserve this

[RC_Drunkford]

Shams is saying the Spurs have been running tests on Wemby for the last 48 hours (5:20 mark), so they know everything they need to know. If they say it's not that serious, it's safe to believe them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvecE6xz-Vw

[Atl Spur]

How are you doing now? Are you OK? If you have a PE, I assume that is super dangerous at that point. Do you have to always take blood thinners even if it's a low dose?

Do they know what caused it in your case?
I take xyrelto ( however it’s spelled ) everyday because they classified mine as unprovoked. I don’t box anymore but other than that I’m cool :) I have to be mindful of certain things dietary wise but my clotting factors are pretty normal.

[Uriel]

I know it's hard to fathom now, but this could be a blessing in disguise long-term. Imagine if this leads to us getting a top-4 pick and getting one of Flagg, Harper, Bailey, or Edgecombe?

We could be a dynasty for a decade and a half.

[Mugen]

His career is sadly over...I'm an ER doctor doesnt mean I'm right but if you ask me if an athlete has a thrombus in their peripheral what it means? I cant imagine him playing longer than 3 years at best. Shame...hell I routinely diagnose this in sweet old ladies and tell them their days of doing whatever they wanna do are limited now much less a franchise athelete...shame because the kids amazing. Spurs dont deserve this

:lol I'd be surprised if you've made lead bagboy at the local Whole Foods let alone ER doctor tbh

[Atl Spur]

His career is sadly over...I'm n ER doctor doesnt mean I'm right but if you ask me if an athlete has a thrombus in their peripheral what it means? I cant imagine him playing longer than 3 years at best. Shame...hell I routinely diagnose this in sweet old ladies and tell them their days of doing whatever they wanna do are limited now much less a franchise athelete...shame because the kids amazing. Spurs dont deserve this

You’re not being honest…..stop it! You should be ashamed of yourself!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He hadn't looked the same conditioning-wise since coming back from Denver at the start of the year.


I also think back to when GG Jackson landed square on Wemby's right shoulder when they both dove for a loose ball in Memphis a few weeks ago.


Entirely unqualified speculation of course but could that have exacerbated an existing issue?


Thought the same (that Jackson play).

[vy65]

Maybe I'm so broken by the Kawhi drama that I'm delusional, but for those saying "what else are the Spurs going to tell their fans," look at what they said about Pop.

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Nothing about "optimism," nothing about "full recovery." Just that he had a medical issue and would be gone. I'd imagine they'd have said something similar about Wemby - or - if they wanted to slow play it, say he was out tonight, and then the next game, and then slowly let out that he's out for the season. Given Shams' report that they've been running test on him for the past 48 hours (which, presumably, would include a CT scan), I don't think the organization would have said something like "he'll be fine long term," if they weren't in a position to actually mean it.

[Uriel]

PG - Fox
SG - Castle
SF - Vassell
PF - Flagg
C - Wembanyama

Bench: Sochan, Johnson, Atlanta 2025 pick (McNeeley?)

:wow :wow :wow

[Thebesteva]

You’re not being honest…..stop it! You should be ashamed of yourself!

I am...for example for a thrombus you order up a pT/pTT test and an MRA. It's kinda no biggie to be an ER doctor. Again, outside looking in doesnt mean a lot but a thrombus in the shoulder? LMAO you're borderline extra chromosome if you think this isn't career ending. Why would I wish that?

[baseline bum]

good god.

No, bad god after how shit this last year has been all around

[Thebesteva]

:lol I'd be surprised if you've made lead bagboy at the local Whole Foods let alone ER doctor tbh

That's fine..don't cry when I bump the thread when he retires soon.

[Raven]

think 6th seed is as good as we can do

[baseline bum]

His career is sadly over...I'm an ER doctor doesnt mean I'm right but if you ask me if an athlete has a thrombus in their peripheral what it means? I cant imagine him playing longer than 3 years at best. Shame...hell I routinely diagnose this in sweet old ladies and tell them their days of doing whatever they wanna do are limited now much less a franchise athelete...shame because the kids amazing. Spurs dont deserve this

What makes it different from the one Ingram had in 2019?

[Ice009]

I am...for example for a thrombus you order up a pT/pTT test and an MRA. It's kinda no biggie to be an ER doctor. Again, outside looking in doesnt mean a lot but a thrombus in the shoulder? LMAO you're borderline extra chromosome if you think this isn't career ending. Why would I wish that?

Did Brandon Ingram and Ausar Thompson not have this? They seem to have recovered. What is different about Victor's? And what makes you qualified to give these details when you haven't even examined Victor yourself or know his complete test results up to now?

I hope you're not yanking us around being a Laker fan and all.

[Fizziksman]

think 6th seed is as good as we can do

6th seed in the Draft?

[Leetonidas]

I am...for example for a thrombus you order up a pT/pTT test and an MRA. It's kinda no biggie to be an ER doctor. Again, outside looking in doesnt mean a lot but a thrombus in the shoulder? LMAO you're borderline extra chromosome if you think this isn't career ending. Why would I wish that?

Considering Brandon Ingram and Ausar Thompson had the same issue and returned to action without issue I think you claiming it's a career ending injury is a bit premature

[Chillen]

Now we know how Mavs fans felt after the Luka trade. Except we still have our star player so it's bitter sweet.

[baseline bum]

I know it's hard to fathom now, but this could be a blessing in disguise long-term. Imagine if this leads to us getting a top-4 pick and getting one of Flagg, Harper, Bailey, or Edgecombe?

We could be a dynasty for a decade and a half.

None of those players is worth the fear this could come back and then Wemby's career is 100% over.

[Mugen]

Now we know how Mavs fans felt after the Luka trade. Except we still have our star player so it's bitter sweet.

At least Wemby isn't fat tbh

[Thebesteva]

Did Brandon Ingram and Ausar Thompson not have this? They seem to have recovered. What is different about Victor's? And what makes you qualified to give these details when you haven't even examined Victor yourself or know his complete test results up to now?

I hope you're not yanking us around being a Laker fan and all.

All BS aside...a thrombus makes that limb weaker. The first sign someone notices is difficulty lifting the limb or shortness of breath. It can be the same my issue is Wemby's location. The shoulder is where the brachial plexus is aka all the nerves that control the limb. It's going to mess with the limbs function.

I hope not because the guys fun to watch even as a Lakers fan I am not rooting for this despite the responses. I guess my assumption is he's too young to experience such a bad prognosis. I think Ingrams location for the thrombus was better. It's a complete clot of that region. The further away from the limb the better the prognosis. Wemby's is in his shoulder.

[Russ]

Could this have happened when he dove for the ball and hurt his shoulder? A player jumped on him while he was on the ground and landed on itI think this is probably the case. I remembered that when I read the news.

If the cause was some incidental trauma in a basketball game, as you suggest, might not this be a reason for some long-term optimism?

If it were the result of some chronic condition or the result of some repetitive basketball movements, that might be worse for the long term.

(This opinion is given by someone with no medical expertise, but with a whole lotta concern, and, within the last hour or so, a whole lot more alcohol.)

[Thebesteva]

Considering Brandon Ingram and Ausar Thompson had the same issue and returned to action without issue I think you claiming it's a career ending injury is a bit premature

Very fair point tbh...I just think what it would require for this to work out is this is a one off injury. As I said I don't have his medical info but you tell me a dude in his 20's has a thrombi in his shoulder I'm telling you the dudes career is all but over. That's something that 99% of ER doctors would agree with. For context an ER doctor would only make the preliminary diagnosis...like someone comes in for shoulder discomfort or shortness of breath and you make the diagnosis. Then they are transferred to another department. that's a case that goes to surgery/internal medicine/radiology in other words beyond my expertise.

I suppose the accurate criticism would be I'm only an ER doctor and this is beyond my expertise but a thrombi in the shoulder is very bad news. Hope I am wrong as the guy is very fun to watch. Even Lakersground loves Wemby

[tim_duncan_fan]

Damn. Tank in full effect. Let's get De'Aaron his surgery and *really* see what level current-day Steph Castle is at.



None of those players is worth the fear this could come back and then Wemby's career is 100% over.

We're not really in a choosing situation though. Let's hope that such a blessing is in this.

Wemby coming back to another lottery young'n would be potentially awesome for a long time.

[DAF86]

What makes it different from the one Ingram had in 2019?

Do not fall for the troll, tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

Don Harris is saying it's not genetical, but injury related. So maybe it was GG Jackson falling on him.

[Maddog]

We don't have enough information to say much
In general Upper extremity DVTs are less likely to embolize to the lung versus lower extremities

That said upper extremity DVTs are much less common.
If I remember correctly Ingram had thoracic outlet syndrome as a cuse.

[z0sa]

Don Harris is saying it's not genetical, but injury related. So maybe it was GG Jackson falling on him.

If it's injury related, that would be a basketball gods-send. Still sucks for this season, but a one-off that was caught early would be best-case scenario in my humble opinion.

[NASpurs]

Didn't know you could get a blood clot from an injury. TIL, crazy stuff

[Kawhi Duncan]

Sad because with our coaches, he wasn't growing as a player...and now with this setback, it will give the front office the excuses needed to make no changes to the coaching staff

[DAF86]

Sad because with our coaches, he wasn't growing as a player...and now with this setback, it will give the front office the excuses needed to make no changes to the coaching staff

Taking this into account, I think it's pretty obvious why Wemby wasn't developing as much as we thought he could. He clearly was playing with some handicap. Looking back at it, it is pretty evident. He didn't look like himself at all.

[pookenstein]

Of course his health is the #1 concern, but I'm operating from the assumption that he recovers and goes on to have a long career. If that does happen, it sucks that he's getting deprived of significant career accolades.

I wasn't replying to you or anybody else. Just stating my feelings. But of course, basketballwise this is fucked as well. FUBAR.

[itzsoweezee]

Very fair point tbh...I just think what it would require for this to work out is this is a one off injury. As I said I don't have his medical info but you tell me a dude in his 20's has a thrombi in his shoulder I'm telling you the dudes career is all but over. That's something that 99% of ER doctors would agree with. For context an ER doctor would only make the preliminary diagnosis...like someone comes in for shoulder discomfort or shortness of breath and you make the diagnosis. Then they are transferred to another department. that's a case that goes to surgery/internal medicine/radiology in other words beyond my expertise.

I suppose the accurate criticism would be I'm only an ER doctor and this is beyond my expertise but a thrombi in the shoulder is very bad news. Hope I am wrong as the guy is very fun to watch. Even Lakersground loves Wemby

Wasn’t Ingram’s clot also in his shoulder?

[DAF86]

Of course his health is the #1 concern, but I'm operating from the assumption that he recovers and goes on to have a long career. If that does happen, it sucks that he's getting deprived of significant career accolades.

At least he got his first ASG this season, so it's not a completely lost season, tbh.

[Atl Spur]

I am...for example for a thrombus you order up a pT/pTT test and an MRA. It's kinda no biggie to be an ER doctor. Again, outside looking in doesnt mean a lot but a thrombus in the shoulder? LMAO you're borderline extra chromosome if you think this isn't career ending. Why would I wish that?

D dimer / coag studies etc…. I was a lab tech before going Bio Med:) Anything Heme / Micro / Chem / and little Blood Bank I still remember a little bit.

[DAF86]

Wasn’t Ingram’s clot also in his shoulder?

Yeah, he's just trying to stir shit up. Just go look at the thread he started on the NBA forum to see what his intetions are. Don't fall for the passive/agressive bullshit, tbh. :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Does anyone think the Spurs haven't done a full body scan to look for clots?

Anyone think they haven't done a deep blood draw and genetic sequencing at this point to determine if it's genetic?

Think a bit here. They believe it's injury related and not career ending. I'd be shocked if they don't have that info in hand.

All I know at this point is next time we play Memphis someone needs to put Jackson head first over the scorer's table.

[objective]

Still disturbing if the GG Jackson hit was the cause, because hits like that aren't uncommon. Guys are getting hard knees, elbows, forearms, and body blows all career long. Even if you can prevent him from diving on the court, there's still enough reckless or dirty players that he'll have to deal with multiple times a season

You just know Draymond is already planning on how to hit Wemby in the shoulders

[baseline bum]

Still disturbing if the GG Jackson hit was the cause, because hits like that aren't uncommon. Guys are getting hard knees, elbows, forearms, and body blows all career long. Even if you can prevent him from diving on the court, there's still enough reckless or dirty players that he'll have to deal with multiple times a season

You just know Draymond is already planning on how to hit Wemby in the shoulders

Nah Draymond loves Wemby. If this was Gobert with a DVT then he'd be going after it.

[baseline bum]

Wasn’t Ingram’s clot also in his shoulder?

Looks like it was right shoulder for him too

https://www.nba.com/news/brandon-ingram-out-rest-season-blood-clot-arm

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[spurraider21]

RFK gets confirmed and then this happens

[BatManu20]

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[RC_Drunkford]

Didn't know you could get a blood clot from an injury. TIL, crazy stuff

it's basically when your vein gets jammed between 2 bones. That would require surgery though.

[baseline bum]

RFK gets confirmed and then this happens

You know Quasimodo predicted all this

[Strategic]

I take a laundry list of blood thinners daily for my heart. Are these the same category of thinners or are there different ones for what Wemby has?

[daslicer]

Nah Draymond loves Wemby. If this was Gobert with a DVT then he'd be going after it.

:lol I have to laugh at this, but it is true. I remember Draymond was floored when Wemby gave him an autograph last year after a game and has spoken highly of him since then.

[Joseph Kony]

Wow...what a terrible situation for Victor and Spurs fans. 5 years of wallowing in the trash heap and it finally looks like we might be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel and this shit happens. Brutal... :depressed

[itzsoweezee]

Yeah, he's just trying to stir shit up. Just go look at the thread he started on the NBA forum to see what his intetions are. Don't fall for the passive/agressive bullshit, tbh. :lol

Ok, that makes the most sense. Everywhere else I’m looking online seems to suggest a very positive outcome in the long run

[Spurs Homer]

Doomsday excites him. His kink is chaos.

Let me simplify:

He is a russia loving piece of shit.

[Trainwreck2100]

I was assuming this was unrelated to his illness from 2 or 3 weeks ago (after the Paris games), but some of you are thinking it was related?

From the flight back

[thiste]

First thoughts are with Victor and his family & friends, I hope all goes well and he gets through it in the best way possible.

That sucks man...

Now in terms of basketball, it's sucks as well...

Honestly I think it's also time for De'Aaron to have surgery on his fingers now.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Thrombosis is a blood clot. They are saying it's in his shoulder. If that's right, it's almost certainly the subclavian vein. And, yes, that is potentially deadly. More of a problem than in some other places. No, it's not from him "being giant". Thrombosis in the subclavian is less common than most locations, and it could be injury related. But there is a subclavian vein variety that is more common for athletes, and is use-related. Rate the chances it's in his shooting shoulder? Pretty high. (There is another situation where the vein basically gets pinched, and I can't remember if they still call it thrombosis, but I think not.)

They give blood thinners. You don't play contact sports while on heavy blood thinners. The real worry is the clot coming loose and reaching the heart/lungs. There is also a chance of the vein itself being damaged by the blockage. Can he come back? Sure. But this condition, in this location, is one that gets IMMEDIATE attention, once discovered.

[benefactor]

:lol I'd be surprised if you've made lead bagboy at the local Whole Foods let alone ER doctor tbh
He's jumping at the opportunity to troll the noobs who don't know anything about his post history. If he's a doctor I'm a nuclear scientist

[Sugus]

Fuck.

I'm most crushed for Victor, man. What the fuck?

He's 21, and was playing in his first ever All-Star Game last week, sharing a court with the NBA's biggest stars. He was there.

Now this'll hang over his head as a looming threat for the rest of his career, however long it turns out to be. Just unfair.

He's gotta be in the gutters man.... :depressed

[Manu20]

Well that sucks :( at least the news coming down is that is not life threatening or career ending injury. Hopefully we get some lucky bounces come lottery time and get a top 4 pick.

[Trainwreck2100]

Very fair point tbh...I just think what it would require for this to work out is this is a one off injury. As I said I don't have his medical info but you tell me a dude in his 20's has a thrombi in his shoulder I'm telling you the dudes career is all but over. That's something that 99% of ER doctors would agree with. For context an ER doctor would only make the preliminary diagnosis...like someone comes in for shoulder discomfort or shortness of breath and you make the diagnosis. Then they are transferred to another department. that's a case that goes to surgery/internal medicine/radiology in other words beyond my expertise.

I suppose the accurate criticism would be I'm only an ER doctor and this is beyond my expertise but a thrombi in the shoulder is very bad news. Hope I am wrong as the guy is very fun to watch. Even Lakersground loves Wemby

The difference between one blood clot and 2 blood clots is a lifetime of blood thinners

[Spurs Homer]

PG - Fox
SG - Castle
SF - Vassell
PF - Flagg
C - Wembanyama

Bench: Sochan, Johnson, Atlanta 2025 pick (McNeeley?)

:wow :wow :wow

the fact - that this is some kind of dream lineup - and vassell appears on it is depressing as fuck...

[scott]

the fact - that this is some kind of dream lineup - and vassell appears on it is depressing as fuck...

And Keldon still coming off the bench :lol

[twodeep]

WTF man. Fucking terrible news.

Someone mentioned Chris Bosh? Is this the same thing Bosh had? What year was Bosh diagnosed with what he had. Is this fixable? What's the general cause of it?

I hope we don't get this secretive Spurs shit and be left in the dark. Did the other Spurs players know about this, or are they all just finding out about it now. De'Aaron didn't look down or anything in his interview I watched earlier today.

Remember everyone before going on a panic attack Chris Bosh was having blood clouts in his Lungs. Wembey is basically the same issue Brandon Ingram went through

[Pero]

Damn, just saw this in the news, fucking sucks. I hope it's treatable.

[Ice009]

Man, I'd rather be the Mavericks right now (not the trade part) and he have AD's injury instead. I hope Victor's isn't life or career threatening and he makes a full recovery. More so for himself than anyone else.

[poopbox]

Sucks. But players recover from blood clots more often than not and go on to have healthy career's.

[Dejounte]

The fuck?
Just take a walk or something before writing really dumb shit.

It was obviously not a serious post, dummy

[bigfan]

a bummer for sure but could be lots worse I guess.

[Mugen]

Usually Doom n' Gloom is my specialty but happy to play Johnny Optimist here tbh.

First and foremost, don't want to downplay the severity of this. Blood clots are no joke but so I'm happy they found it early enough and the kid should be okay.

But looking at silver linings...
-Timing wise, you really can't ask for much better. Post Fox trade. Post ASG. Enough runway to try and get into the bottom 8 in a pretty loaded draft. Sucks that Wemby won't be eligible for DPOY and All NBA but if we're trusting the intel, then he should have no problem winning plenty of those in the near future
-I very much had legit concerns about Wemby's toughness as evidenced by his play in January that a lot of people were excusing because of allergies. I'm going to go ahead and dismiss those concerns if the kid was actually playing through something as serious as blood clots tbh. Wemby legit looked like the best player in the league in December. So if that's the Wemby we're going to get once he's fully recovered then this franchise should be just fine.

We're talking about arguably the most tight-lipped/cagey organization in the league when it comes to player/personnel health (see Nephew, Old Man). If credible sources like Shams are saying the FO doesn't have long term concerns about Vic's health this soon after the announcement, then I'd believe them tbh.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://x.com/BrianSuttererMD/status/1892668633224036517

[baseline bum]

We're talking about arguably the most tight-lipped/cagey organization in the league when it comes to player/personnel health (see Nephew, Old Man). If credible sources like Shams are saying the FO doesn't have long term concerns about Vic's health this soon after the announcement, then I'd believe them tbh.

This actually got leaked from two different sources on reddit about 45 minutes before Shams posted. One leaker who claims to have gotten it from the medical staff, another who claims to have gotten the news from the security staff.

[Russ]

https://x.com/BrianSuttererMD/status/1892668633224036517

Great post! :toast

[TimDunkem]

https://x.com/BrianSuttererMD/status/1892668633224036517
Feel a little better about this. Just got to hope this isn't a reoccurring thing.

[cutewizard]

Oh cmon

[cutewizard]

This is so shocking

[Mugen]

This actually got leaked from two different sources on reddit about 45 minutes before Shams posted. One leaker who claims to have gotten it from the medical staff, another who claims to have gotten the news from the security staff.

Good call. But I meant that I really don't see this FO making the "no concerns about his long-term health" statement flippantly.

I don't see the value in making that call this soon unless you were 110% sure. Or were super nefarious in deluding season ticket holders and/or prospective investors tbh :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

Damn. Prayers up for the young buck and his family.

We’re thinking of you Victor. Hoping you make a full recovery to be able to play the game you love. Privileged to watch you do it.

[Robz4000]

Good call. But I meant that I really don't see this FO making the "no concerns about his long-term health" statement flippantly.

I don't see the value in making that call this soon unless you were 110% sure. Or were super nefarious in deluding season ticket holders and/or prospective investors tbh :lol

:lol considering whose part of the ownership group now wouldn't doubt they put that out the for the second reason

[baseline bum]

:lol considering whose part of the ownership group now wouldn't doubt they put that out the for the second reason

Ouch, Victory Capital and Dell. Hope Holt Jr isn't the failson that Dumont is.

[Ice009]

https://x.com/BrianSuttererMD/status/1892668633224036517

Thanks for posting this. I've seen this Doctor's video's before and he's pretty good.

I wonder if Victor is going to require the surgery he mentioned about about taking the pressure away in that area.

Also, very interesting he mentioned about overhead athletes and repetition motion injuries. A few posters here had great search skills that bought up that repetitive injury cause. I also think trauma to that area also could have also caused it.

[Wu36]

I hope he’s correct. But why does this dude have time to make videos?

[The Truth #6]

Only fair if the league gives us a top 4 pick now. Isn't that how this works?

[rjv]

just wondering if the spurs can use a "we saved your life" strategy when it comes time to extend him beyond his rookie contract.

[cutewizard]

Is Wemby allowed to be interviewed at least?

We wanna know he is ok

[spurraider21]

I hope he’s correct. But why does this dude have time to make videos?
why do we all have time to post here

[CIAPop]

Three things usually cause DVTs. Injury, a predisposition for clotting (like something genetic or cancer) and stasis (the blood not circulating-make sure you get up and walk around during those long haul flights, lol).
Guessing his was injury.
Spurs will likely check whether he has a predisposition, but that seems unlikely as it might have appeared by now in a professional athlete playing a contact sport.
He will be put on a blood thinner like eliquis, or Xarelto if he ended up with a pulmonary embolism (PE).
PE would be worst case scenario.
If it's really fresh, Eliquis can make it go away very quickly and can completely resolve it.
Unfortunately, one you do get a DVT, you are predisposed for another one.

[Wu36]

I’ll give you that

[Davidicus]

Wemby pulling a DRob for us

In all seriousness, nothing else matters when your health is down. Get well soon Wemby, you will come back stronger.

We will continue to root for our Spurs while you're out!

[lefty]

I did not expect that

I blame Adam Silver

[CIAPop]

They can and do suck them out, but he will still need blood thinners afterwards