Official 2025 NBA Playoffs Thread

[Dex]

The dude got crazy hype last season. He's a bit overrated, imho.

ESPN was legit comparing him to the next Jordan for a while :lmao

[mystargtr34]

I don’t really see the Gui Santos Varejao lookalike thing other than both being curly headed fucks with no skills.

[gilmor2002]

Why do you say that? You don't think the Cavs are better than the Pacers? I think the Cavs should get past the Pacers if they're healthy.

Not easy to beat the Pacers. they got too many weapons; and coached well.

[Raven]

Anthony Edwards is playing like he’s not built for this. Just really passive

defensively, looks like donut is his kryptonite.

[lefty]

The dude got crazy hype last season. He's a bit overrated, imho.

Not even top 10 but the old heads in the media think he should be the face of the league because he has some kind of Jordan like attitude;lol

[Brazil]

Edwards is overrated, the last year hype based on lookalike jordan shit was totally moronic tbh...

[lefty]

The opening weekend of the NBA Playoffs averaged 4.4 million viewers, making it the most-watched in 25 years and marking a 17% increase from last year, per Colincsalao

The most-watched game was Magic vs. Celtics on ABC, which drew 6.69 million viewers 🔥

[R. DeMurre]

Anthony Edwards is the type of guy that casuals and advertisers want on TV because he's brash and says provocative things, which in turn creates views. Jokic, like Duncan, is too mature and understated for that crowd... neither one of those guys was ever going to yell "my dick is bigger than yours" to someone in the crowd, or brag about how much money they had in the bank.

[spurraider21]

ESPN was legit comparing him to the next Jordan for a while :lmao
you mean when a 22 year old switched into another gear in the playoffs, dethroning the champs, and taking his team to the WCF... obviously MJ is a lofty comparison but at the time it was apt tbh

even though he wasnt as good in the WCF against the Mavs, for the postseason, he averaged 27.5/7/6.5 on 48/40/81 while looking physically dominant for most of that run

then this past season they trade away KAT for Randle which kills their spacing. driving lanes werent there for Edwards and he had to take on the floor-spacing role at the expense of his acrobatic game, and he stepped up in a big way, becoming one of the best 3pt shooting 2 guards in the league, shooting 39.5% on over 10 attempts per game

i dno, i think he's pretty phenomenal on a team that downgraded their roster within weeks of the regular season. he's a complete POS off the court though

[itzsoweezee]

you mean when a 22 year old switched into another gear in the playoffs, dethroning the champs, and taking his team to the WCF... obviously MJ is a lofty comparison but at the time it was apt tbh

even though he wasnt as good in the WCF against the Mavs, for the postseason, he averaged 27.5/7/6.5 on 48/40/81 while looking physically dominant for most of that run

then this past season they trade away KAT for Randle which kills their spacing. driving lanes werent there for Edwards and he had to take on the floor-spacing role at the expense of his acrobatic game, and he stepped up in a big way, becoming one of the best 3pt shooting 2 guards in the league, shooting 39.5% on over 10 attempts per game

i dno, i think he's pretty phenomenal on a team that downgraded their roster within weeks of the regular season. he's a complete POS off the court though

He was really good last year, especially against Phoenix and Denver. This playoffs, however, have been very different. The Lakers have zero inside presence. Ant should be feasting. Instead, he’s playing passive. He’s getting one-on-one opportunities and not punishing LA. A prime example—later in the fourth quarter, he beats Luka one-on-one, easily gets in the lane, and dishes it off rather than attacking the rim. He looks scared, tbh.

[daslicer]

Draymond intentionally shoving and tripping Thompson into undercutting Butler and resulting in Butler’s injury was funny in the sense that his dirty play ended up taking out his own teammate.

[djohn2oo8]

Draymond intentionally shoving and tripping Thompson into undercutting Butler and resulting in Butler’s injury was funny in the sense that his dirty play ended up taking out his own teammate.
Something like that was bound to happen

[djohn2oo8]

Game 3, Rox need to come out and smoke em. By 40.

[mystargtr34]

Atta boy djohn, your Rox played tough as tonight.

Hopefully Jimmy is out for the playoffs tbh to make this a 4-1 stomping for the Rox.

[Spurs Homer]

It just breaks my heart that someone on the warriors was injured…

its so heartbreaking to see the replay and see draymonds dirty play was the cause of butler getting injured…

but ill get over it pretty fast…like right the fuck now - im over it…

bwahahahahahahahahaha!
dirty player piece of shit…

[ginobilized]

Instant Karma for Draymond
Pelvic contusion could be very serious

[lefty]

Instant Karma for Draymond
Pelvic contusion could be very serious

MF tried to hurt Amen and injured his teammate instead: :lol

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

Atta boy djohn, your Rox played tough as tonight.

Hopefully Jimmy is out for the playoffs tbh to make this a 4-1 stomping for the Rox.
Hope so. If he comes back he’s gonna be in plenty of pain.

[djohn2oo8]

Instant Karma for Draymond
Pelvic contusion could be very serious
His bullying shit doesn’t work against Ime.

[djohn2oo8]

MF tried to hurt Amen and injured his teammate instead: :lol
Game 3 everybody is going to need to watch their legs because that MF is going
to be out of control even more

[djohn2oo8]

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lmao omg “The guy has kids”

[scottspurs]

Ime Udoka really raised a team full of Bully slayers. Super tough team other than maybe Sengun. He even has his moments though where he shows toughness. They are a point guard and shot blocker away from being better than the Thunder and controlling the West for the next several years. Or at least until they have to pay everyone.

[itzsoweezee]

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lmao omg “The guy has kids”

lol. If anyone’s behavior is a bad example to kids, it’s Draymond’s. I still can’t believe this goon is forced on viewers nonstop with his stupid ads. Who were the marketing geniuses that thought draymond was the guy to best advertise cars?

[CGD]

Ime Udoka really raised a team full of Bully slayers. Super tough team other than maybe Sengun. He even has his moments though where he shows toughness. They are a point guard and shot blocker away from being better than the Thunder and controlling the West for the next several years. Or at least until they have to pay everyone.

I’ve been impressed with Ime’s work raising that team’s floor. Before they reach OKC levels tho, I still think they need their “dude.” Not sure if it’s Aman, Sengun or Green — but this series will be telling. Now, this team with Booker could easily rival OKC.

Spurs got some work to do…

[scottspurs]

I’ve been impressed with Ime’s work raising that team’s floor. Before they reach OKC levels tho, I still think they need their “dude.” Not sure if it’s Aman, Sengun or Green — but this series will be telling. Now, this team with Booker could easily rival OKC.

Spurs got some work to do…

Spurs are 3 years behind the Rockets. 5 years behind the Thunder. Both are good examples of building within and timely adding nice pieces elsewhere. That’s why I’m wanting the Spurs to continue being patient. The only guy I would maybe move on from is Vassell but I would understand giving him another year. Right now he one of the better shooters on the team. Although it is inconsistent maybe with a full healthy offseason he can actually improve

[scott]

If the Spurs are truly 3 years behind HOU and 5 years behind OKC... then everyone in the front office should be immediately fired, considering both HOU and OKC's rebuilds* started the year after ours.

*I'm defining the start of the rebuild as the season following their last playoff appearance. Some will argue that the Spurs didn't start their rebuild until they traded DDR two years after that... but this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the FO's decision making either, tbh.

For the record, I don't think we are 3 and 5 years behind... but we need to get serious with our roster building and especially coaching, asap.

[mo7888]

If the Spurs are truly 3 years behind HOU and 5 years behind OKC... then everyone in the front office should be immediately fired, considering both HOU and OKC's rebuilds* started the year after ours.

*I'm defining the start of the rebuild as the season following their last playoff appearance. Some will argue that the Spurs didn't start their rebuild until they traded DDR two years after that... but this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the FO's decision making either, tbh.

For the record, I don't think we are 3 and 5 years behind... but we need to get serious with our roster building and especially coaching, asap.

I don't think we're that far behind them either. I actually think we could be even with Houston next year with a couple moves this summer to go with a couple draft picks. We'll still be behind OKC, but not 5 years behind.

[R. DeMurre]

5 years is an eternity in the NBA. The only guy still on the roster from 5 years ago is Keldon.

[djohn2oo8]

I don't think we're that far behind them either. I actually think we could be even with Houston next year with a couple moves this summer to go with a couple draft picks. We'll still be behind OKC, but not 5 years behind.
Pop needs to step down immediately. He can’t drag this out further.

[scott]

5 years is an eternity in the NBA. The only guy still on the roster from 5 years ago is Keldon.

Yeah, saying you are 5 years behind is basically saying that your team is fucking clueless and without any hope.

OKC didn't even take 5 years to build this. They were a bottom-of-the-league team for 2 years, then were a .500 team, then #1 seed in the west, then absolute powerhouse (this season).

If the Spurs were about to trade Wemby, Castle and Fox and start a completely new rebuild... then they'd be 5 years behind.

[scottspurs]

Spurs are bottom of the league in key stat categories like rebounding, 2nd chance points and defense. Especially perimeter defense. Rockets and Thunder are both very deep rosters. Rockets and Thunder have just as many draft assets as the Spurs. Whether it’s 5 years or 3 or a year behind doesn’t matter. Spurs are playing catch up. As the warriors, nuggets, lakers, clippers, mavericks and timberwolves age those 2 teams remain young. To catch up the Spurs need rebounding, depth, perimeter defense and probably a coaching staff change. I’m not as worried about shooting because I think that can always be found. Can they make that all happen in one or two off seasons. Sure! Will it happen is another thing entirely.

[scott]

Spurs are bottom of the league in key stat categories like rebounding, 2nd chance points and defense. Especially perimeter defense. Rockets and Thunder are both very deep rosters. Rockets and Thunder have just as many draft assets as the Spurs. Whether it’s 5 years or 3 or a year behind doesn’t matter. Spurs are playing catch up. As the warriors, nuggets, lakers, clippers, mavericks and timberwolves age those 2 teams remain young. To catch up the Spurs need rebounding, depth, perimeter defense and probably a coaching staff change. I’m not as worried about shooting because I think that can always be found. Can they make that all happen in one or two off seasons. Sure! Will it happen is another thing entirely.

This is where my comment about everyone being fired comes into play. A Front Office and Coaching Staff who says they need 3-5 years to fix the Spurs woes shouldn't be employed in the NBA.

[scottspurs]

This is where my comment about everyone being fired comes into play. A Front Office and Coaching Staff who says they need 3-5 years to fix the Spurs woes shouldn't be employed in the NBA.

I will let you know whether I think they should clean house or not after this off-season haha. If they trade for Durant or some other questionable moves that might be needed.

[rjv]

If the Spurs are truly 3 years behind HOU and 5 years behind OKC... then everyone in the front office should be immediately fired, considering both HOU and OKC's rebuilds* started the year after ours.

*I'm defining the start of the rebuild as the season following their last playoff appearance. Some will argue that the Spurs didn't start their rebuild until they traded DDR two years after that... but this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the FO's decision making either, tbh.

For the record, I don't think we are 3 and 5 years behind... but we need to get serious with our roster building and especially coaching, asap.

my personal timeline for the rebuild starts with the Dejounte trade.

[scott]

my personal timeline for the rebuild starts with the Dejounte trade.

That's fine... but taking 3 years of missing the playoffs to realize that you need to rebuild is also good cause to being fired.

[rjv]

That's fine... but taking 3 years of missing the playoffs to realize that you need to rebuild is also good cause to being fired.

we have no idea who was on board with what direction the team should be headed, or what kinds of conversations were being held about how to build the roster during those years. how much of the direction of the team was being steered by pop? or RC? they're not getting fired. ever. and when did the Spurs FO decide to go all in on Wemby? all we know is that Vic was on the Spurs radar in 2019. calling for a GM's job with all the details seems hasty. we also live in times where the teams that seem to to be in the most disarray are the ones that fire their coaches and GMs without hesitation. wright has had his fair share of mishaps but none, imho, that would justify his getting fired. not yet, anyway.

[scott]

we have no idea who was on board with what direction the team should be headed, or what kinds of conversations were being held about how to build the roster during those years. how much of the direction of the team was being steered by pop? or RC? they're not getting fired. ever. and when did the Spurs FO decide to go all in on Wemby? all we know is that Vic was on the Spurs radar in 2019. calling for a GM's job with all the details seems hasty. we also live in times where the teams that seem to to be in the most disarray are the ones that fire their coaches and GMs without hesitation. wright has had his fair share of mishaps but none, imho, that would justify his getting fired. not yet, anyway.

You'll note, I never said anything about the GM. I said "the front office and coaching staff". Seems like it should be someone's job to be able to know who's responsible for being one of the least serious franchises in the league for 6 years.

The fact that the Spurs will never fire the people responsible is part of the reason they're not a serious team.

And LOL at the idea of having Vic on their radar in 2019 and gearing all of their efforts towards winning a lottery 4 years later. How much of a joke would we be if the alternate 86% of outcomes would have come to fruition? Any Front Office who's grand rebuilding strategy is to win the lottery four years in the future... should also never be employed in the NBA.

[RC_Drunkford]

That's fine... but taking 3 years of missing the playoffs to realize that you need to rebuild is also good cause to being fired.

Pop wanted the all time wins record that's why they kept being a play-in team and delayed the rebuild for 3 years.


we have no idea who was on board with what direction the team should be headed, or what kinds of conversations were being held about how to build the roster during those years. how much of the direction of the team was being steered by pop? or RC? they're not getting fired. ever. and when did the Spurs FO decide to go all in on Wemby? all we know is that Vic was on the Spurs radar in 2019. calling for a GM's job with all the details seems hasty. we also live in times where the teams that seem to to be in the most disarray are the ones that fire their coaches and GMs without hesitation. wright has had his fair share of mishaps but none, imho, that would justify his getting fired. not yet, anyway.

the last person the Spurs fired was Bob Hill in 1996. We don't fire people, that's not who we are. That kind of job security is insane, but you can basically fuck up as much as you want on the Spurs. It's defined as "pounding the rock".

[rjv]

You'll note, I never said anything about the GM. I said "the front office and coaching staff". Seems like it should be someone's job to be able to know who's responsible for being one of the least serious franchises in the league for 6 years.

The fact that the Spurs will never fire the people responsible is part of the reason they're not a serious team.

And LOL at the idea of having Vic on their radar in 2019 and gearing all of their efforts towards winning a lottery 4 years later. How much of a joke would we be if the alternate 86% of outcomes would have come to fruition? Any Front Office who's grand rebuilding strategy is to win the lottery four years in the future... should also never be employed in the NBA.

i think you're filling in the gaps with nothing that has ever been substantiated. sure, we know that the Spurs had their sight set on Wemby. nothing wrong with taking a shot at a generational talent. the contingency plan would have probably involved going with Amen. the bigger point is that it was time to tank for a shot at a higher pick. lots of front offices make that decision. i also have no idea whose timelines you're comparing the spurs to? the lakers? the celtics? the knicks? OKC? rockets? none of these teams had a twenty year run. and only one of those is a small market team. NBA players have the spurs ranked as the 7th best organization in the NBA and our fans are calling them "one of the least serious franchises in the league".

[rjv]

Pop wanted the all time wins record that's why they kept being a play-in team and delayed the rebuild for 3 years.



the last person the Spurs fired was Bob Hill in 1996. We don't fire people, that's not who we are. That kind of job security is insane, but you can basically fuck up as much as you want on the Spurs. It's defined as "pounding the rock".

well, they did make the playoffs every year after that. and won five titles along the way, yes, a lot of that has to do with the players, and some luck, but sometimes that's how history works out.

[scott]

i think you're filling in the gaps with nothing that has ever been substantiated. sure, we know that the Spurs had their sight set on Wemby. nothing wrong with taking a shot at a generational talent. the contingency plan would have probably involved going with Amen. the bigger point is that it was time to tank for a shot at a higher pick. lots of front offices make that decision. i also have no idea whose timelines you're comparing the spurs to? the lakers? the celtics? the knicks? OKC? rockets? none of these teams had a twenty year run. and only one of those is a small market team. NBA players have the spurs ranked as the 7th best organization in the NBA and our fans are calling them "one of the least serious franchises in the league".

I'm not filling the gaps in with anything, I'm responding directly to what you suggested. You're the one filling in gaps with hypothetical rationalizations for why the Spurs have been a doormat for over half a decade.

Who's timeline am I comparing them against? How about the entire rest of the league's? Only the Hornets have a longer playoff drought than we do. We're #2 in that at least, I guess.

Do we get to hang a banner for "7th Best Organization"?

[scott]

So what's the rationalization for the second longest playoff drought in the league?

We're a small market team so we just needed a break?

We were tired of all that winning so we wanted to give some other teams a chance?

We identified a potentially generational 14 year old, so we decided to fuck around for a few years before really rebuilding?

Life is bigger than basketball? We needed to make sure young men were properly educated on penguins?

The city and its fans needed a lesson in humility?

We can twist ourselves into pretzels with these wild hypotheses... or maybe the real answer is the most obvious one: our Front Office did a poor job (still were the highest paid though).

[chubbs]

:lmao thinking the spurs are 3 years behind the rockets. that team is the definition of fools gold :rollin :rollin they should be as good or better by next year even without significant roster upgrades.

[rjv]

I'm not filling the gaps in with anything, I'm responding directly to what you suggested. You're the one filling in gaps with hypothetical rationalizations for why the Spurs have been a doormat for over half a decade.

Who's timeline am I comparing them against? How about the entire rest of the league's? Only the Hornets have a longer playoff drought than we do. We're #2 in that at least, I guess.

Do we get to hang a banner for "7th Best Organization"?

it's all hypothetical. none of us know anything concrete about who made what choices and how such choices may have been impacted by external factors. unless you have some information other than how much the spurs sucks is based on recent drafts and FA signings is all we're going on. i'm not spending hours every day telling everyone that the spurs FO is the greatest FO in the world. i'm happy that we have five titles and i hope we can get more in the Wemby era. i know it will take luck and patience and, as a lifetime fan, i've seen worse. the lakers have had dormant periods. so have the celtics. so have the rockets. so has OKC. it happens. if you want to blame all that on the FO and the ball boys great. i don't care to. not yet, anyway. if you want to be the resident DOGE, by all means, post another hundred times per week that the spurs suck and everyone needs to go. i just don't agree at this moment.

[scott]

it's all hypothetical. none of us know anything concrete about who made what choices and how such choices may have been impacted by external factors. unless you have some information other than how much the spurs sucks is based on recent drafts and FA signings is all we're going on.

I don't need any other information other than our record and our playoff drought. What other information do you need? We have the 4th worst winning percentage in the entire league since the last time we were in the playoffs. That the Spurs have sucked is just an objective fact.


i'm not spending hours every day telling everyone that the spurs FO is the greatest FO in the world. i'm happy that we have five titles and i hope we can get more in the Wemby era. i know it will take luck and patience and, as a lifetime fan, i've seen worse. the lakers have had dormant periods. so have the celtics. so have the rockets. so has OKC. it happens. if you want to blame all that on the FO and the ball boys great. i don't care to. not yet, anyway. if you want to be the resident DOGE, by all means, post another hundred times per week that the spurs suck and everyone needs to go. i just don't agree at this moment.

This entire discussion started with the idea that the Spurs are 3 years behind Houston and 5 years behind OKC (a notion which I disagreed with). That is the context of discussing people being fired. You interjected to dispute when we should consider the start of the rebuild, though it doesn't change the fact that people would still deserve to be fired if the premise (we are 3 to 5 years behind HOU/OKC) were true. You may not spend hours every day telling everyone that the Spurs FO is the greatest in the world... but you sure did spend more time than necessary providing off-topic hypothetical explanations for the Spurs subpar performance the last 6 years. It's your prerogative though. Enjoy!

[rjv]

I don't need any other information other than our record and our playoff drought. What other information do you need? We have the 4th worst winning percentage in the entire league since the last time we were in the playoffs. That the Spurs have sucked is just an objective fact.



This entire discussion started with the idea that the Spurs are 3 years behind Houston and 5 years behind OKC (a notion which I disagreed with). That is the context of discussing people being fired. You interjected to dispute when we should consider the start of the rebuild, though it doesn't change the fact that people would still deserve to be fired if the premise (we are 3 to 5 years behind HOU/OKC) were true. You may not spend hours every day telling everyone that the Spurs FO is the greatest in the world... but you sure did spend more time than necessary providing off-topic hypothetical explanations for the Spurs subpar performance the last 6 years. It's your prerogative though. Enjoy!

spending more time than necessary would be me posting the same thing every day, several times a day, not a couple of hours trying to clarify a point that continues to be misunderstood and mislabeled, and then trying to defend any topics such as these as if they were indisputable facts and logical arguments. they're just opinions. and they're boring and redundant. you're best when you share data that is empirical and revelatory. maybe if you drafted some sort of team-by-team analysis of NBA organizations and juxtaposed them to the Spurs FO performance over the last few years (not sure what variable would be used to rate teams), i'd be more interested.

[buttsR4rebounding]

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lmao omg “The guy has kids”

Good thing Pop wasn’t on the sidelines…

[Seventyniner]

So what's the rationalization for the second longest playoff drought in the league?

The first three of those seasons the Spurs tried to make the playoffs and just failed, finishing 10th twice. Then they tore things down and were bad for two seasons, and this season losing Wemby with 30 games to go ruined any realistic chance at a play-in run.

Saying that the front office sucks just because they have the longest playoff drought in the league is far too simplistic. I can fault them for taking too long to get off the treadmill, but the teardown and rebuild is something many teams, even ones with competent FOs, often do.

[scott]

spending more time than necessary would be me posting the same thing every day, several times a day, not a couple of hours trying to clarify a point that continues to be misunderstood and mislabeled, and then trying to defend any topics such as these as if they were indisputable facts and logical arguments. they're just opinions. and they're boring and redundant. you're best when you share data that is empirical and revelatory. maybe if you drafted some sort of team-by-team analysis of NBA organizations and juxtaposed them to the Spurs FO performance over the last few years (not sure what variable would be used to rate teams), i'd be more interested.

You're right. There is nothing revelatory about the idea that the Spurs should fire people if it takes them 3 to 5 more years to be relevant again. And you're also right... arguing about it is boring and redundant, because hopefully everyone is in agreement that we should make big time changes to management (which includes the FO and coaching staff) if it takes us 3-5 more years to return to relevance. It's only interesting when someone disagrees... the same way that it's interesting to watch public figures have complete meltdowns.

Thankfully for me, I don't really care how interested you are in my posts. You do not need my permission to not read them.

[scott]

The first three of those seasons the Spurs tried to make the playoffs and just failed, finishing 10th twice. Then they tore things down and were bad for two seasons, and this season losing Wemby with 30 games to go ruined any realistic chance at a play-in run.

Saying that the front office sucks just because they have the longest playoff drought in the league is far too simplistic. I can fault them for taking too long to get off the treadmill, but the teardown and rebuild is something many teams, even ones with competent FOs, often do.

We actually don't disagree here. Though I would say that trying to make the playoffs for 3 straight years and failing is often times enough to justifiably spur (no pun intended) change for some organizations. Earnestly trying to make the playoffs for 3 straight years and failing is actually a pretty clear signal that you aren't doing a very good job (since over 50% of the teams make the playoffs... doing so is actually a fairly low bar). The Spurs management benefitted from an extremely long leash earned (and I want to stress that they earned this long leash, because they did) over 2+ decades of excellence. And I think they've actually done a fine job with the rebuild (now that it has actually started), and I'm not actually calling for the Front Office to be fired...

But if it takes us another 3-5 years to reach Houston's level (first playoff appearance after a drought), then they will deserve to have been fired. Because then it will have either been:

a) 9 to 11 years of rebuilding, or
b) 3 years of failing to make the playoffs followed by 6 to 8 years of rebuilding

Both of those scenarios are equally atrocious. Like Sacramento Kings/Charlotte Hornets level bad.

Thankfully, I think next year we'll be in the playoffs.

[scott]

KAT's a punk.

[scott]

Too bad Mitchell Robinson is another one of those guys who's bodies just have betrayed him. I like him as an old school C.

KAT and Cam Payne alone make NYK one of the most unlikeable teams imaginable.

[rjv]

You're right. There is nothing revelatory about the idea that the Spurs should fire people if it takes them 3 to 5 more years to be relevant again. And you're also right... arguing about it is boring and redundant, because hopefully everyone is in agreement that we should make big time changes to management (which includes the FO and coaching staff) if it takes us 3-5 more years to return to relevance. It's only interesting when someone disagrees... the same way that it's interesting to watch public figures have complete meltdowns.

Thankfully for me, I don't really care how interested you are in my posts. You do not need my permission to not read them.

i wasn't just referring to your posts. sure, you have your fair share of them but you also have more than your fair share of interesting points. i just know that other fans who avoid this site because they tell me it's just a bunch of know-it-alls who just bitch about everything all the time. i counter that there are a lot of weeds in the lawn but every once in a while you'll find some very solid takes and really great information. that's why i stay true to the site. it has nothing to do with the poster so, yeah, it's not personal.

and i'm sure there is some version of ST in Detroit in which there were tons of posts to fire everyone because they were too far away from being relevant, especially when they were in the middle of their horrendous losing streak. and now, they're posting about tonight's game against the knicks. we're just fans.

[scott]

and i'm sure there is some version of ST in Detroit in which there were tons of posts to fire everyone because they were too far away from being relevant, especially when they were in the middle of their horrendous losing streak. and now, they're posting about tonight's game against the knicks. we're just fans.

Wait until you find out what DET did before this season...

[rjv]

Wait until you find out what DET did before this season...

already know. what i don't know is what the spurs will do before next season. hopefully, one of your reverse jinxes will pay off.

[scott]

already know. what i don't know is what the spurs will do before next season. hopefully, one of your reverse jinxes will pay off.

Ha! Fair enough. Though I'm not actively trying to reverse jinx anything currently... I truly believe this will be our offseason:

-Pop will retire, we'll get a new coach. Maybe Mitch but I think probably less than a 40% chance of that
-CP3 will move on
-We'll add two rookies
-We'll add a useful vet with the MLE
-No big move like Naz/KD/Giannis/etc

And again for the record... I'm not actually saying our FO needs to be fired. This was all in the response to the idea that we are 3-5 years behind HOU/OKC (which I don't agree with).

Hopefully I'm definitely NOT reverse jinx'ing that last thought!

[BackHome]

There is going to be a lot of growing pains next year with probably a new coach bringing in a new staff it is going to take some time to jell. Even if we bring in someone from past Spurs organization it is still going to take time to building new relationships to new offense and hopefully new defensive schemes. There are so many bad habits that need to be fixed it is going to take a lot of time to fix everything but I agree IF everyone can stay healthy we probably make Play In.

One thing from watching current Playoff’s is that teams are playing very Physical we are going to need to get some dogs on this team if we want to go far. And we are definitely going to need to get Wemby some help as I don’t think his body will hold up very long in Playoff environment

[Dejounte]

Last year’s HOU team was 3-5 years behind this year’s HOU team, tbqh

[mo7888]

Last year’s HOU team was 3-5 years behind this year’s HOU team, tbqh

Facts

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NBA refs are so bad. This game is going to end up with a fight.

Edit: Payne and Schroeder double tech. Schroeder had to beg for that.

[scott]

Is Jalen Duren always this much of a bonehead? What was that jump ball?

[mo7888]

Is Jalen Duren always this much of a bonehead? What was that jump ball?

Bbiq has never been his strength..

[Robz4000]

Anyone else think the Grizz blow this lead?

[CGD]

If the Spurs are truly 3 years behind HOU and 5 years behind OKC... then everyone in the front office should be immediately fired, considering both HOU and OKC's rebuilds* started the year after ours.

*I'm defining the start of the rebuild as the season following their last playoff appearance. Some will argue that the Spurs didn't start their rebuild until they traded DDR two years after that... but this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the FO's decision making either, tbh.

For the record, I don't think we are 3 and 5 years behind... but we need to get serious with our roster building and especially coaching, asap.

I personally think the rebuild started once they ended the DJ-LMA-DDR era in its entirety (so DJ trade). But I will accept it being the DDR trade too (year earlier).

The Primo miss also set them back.

[CGD]

Anyone else think the Grizz blow this lead?

Yea, especially with Morant out

[Robz4000]

Yea, especially with Morant out

:lol been watching the NFL draft so I missed that

[CGD]

:lol been watching the NFL draft so I missed that

Cowboys get anyone good?

[R. DeMurre]

Caruso guarding JJJ is pretty crazy.

[timtonymanu]

OKC vs the Clippers is gonna be a great series.

[Robz4000]

Cowboys get anyone good?

Drafted safe imo

[scott]

I bet Sam Presti is just sick to his stomach that he traded Giddey for Caruso

[scott]

Anyone else think the Grizz blow this lead?

Robztradamus, tbh

[timtonymanu]

The Grizzlies getting what they deserve, tbh.

[spursistan]

It is looking increasingly the case that both the Nuggets & Bucks may have wasted the prime of two All-timers in Giannis and Jokic. Giannis hasn’t won a playoff series since 2022. Imagine such drought spanning the typical peak age of an NBA star (27-31). Meanwhile Jokic keeps racking up MVPs as the undisputed best player in the world for the past 4 years only for it to result in a 1 title/Conference Finals in the same run beating a bunch of sub 50-win teams. The Nuggets never even had a truly dominant regular season with Jokic like every All Time Great.


As much as it still bugs me to this day that the Spurs never repeated, we at least still won three championships at the height of the Duncan Era (2003-2007), and that only a couple of bounces and bad breaks (0.4 and Manu foul on Dirk) prevented a potential threepeat during the meat of Timmy’s prime

[Arcadian]

:lol A reporter just asked the Memphis coach: "With all the hurt from the end - or close to the end - of your season, how does that sit with you?"

Can you imagine if Pop was asked that question?

Pop: <stares awkwardly at reporter for 10 seconds> ....... "Badly."

Or if he was feeling feisty, he would repeat the question mockingly before giving a nothing response. "How does that sit with me? Well...I think it will sit with me in an undesirable fashion, probably."

God dammit, I'm starting to miss that old fuck already.

[spursistan]

It is looking increasingly the case that both the Nuggets & Bucks may have wasted the prime of two All-timers in Giannis and Jokic. Giannis hasn’t won a playoff series since 2022. Imagine such drought spanning the typical peak age of an NBA star (27-31). Meanwhile Jokic keeps racking up MVPs as the undisputed best player in the world for the past 4 years only for it to result in a 1 title/Conference Finals in the same run beating a bunch of sub 50-win teams. The Nuggets never even had a truly dominant regular season with Jokic like every All Time Great.


As much as it still bugs me to this day that the Spurs never repeated, we at least still won three championships at the height of the Duncan Era (2003-2007), and that only a couple of bounces and bad breaks (0.4 and Manu foul on Dirk) prevented a potential threepeat during the meat of Timmy’s prime
^^ Expecting a massive Jokic game on Saturday. Win or lose, that's what ATGs do when the season is on the line..Don't think it will be enough even he goes berserk for the rest of the series. The Clippers are just deeper and better.

[Robz4000]

^^ Expecting a massive Jokic game on Saturday. Win or lose, that's what ATGs do when the season is on the line..Don't think it will be enough even he goes berserk for the rest of the series. The Clippers are just deeper and better.

While I picked the Clippers in 6 and still think it ends up that way, wouldn't shock me if the Nuggets win the next three tbh. Jokic is the best player in this series by a mile and playoff Harden/post-2019 Nephew are as undependable as they come.

[baseline bum]

While I picked the Clippers in 6 and still think it ends up that way, wouldn't shock me if the Nuggets win the next three tbh. Jokic is the best player in this series by a mile and playoff Harden/post-2019 Nephew are as undependable as they come.

It's really hard to bet on Harden in Game 5 and later in a series

[chubbs]

calling it now lakers and clippers in the wcf

[Jordan Jackson]

The Bucks and Nuggets situation should be a cautionary tale for this iteration of the Spurs. Both those teams waited too long to move off of their players. Overpaid a few of them too.

Like MPJ should be gone - break that money up and use it to bolster bench. Owners hanging on to this dude because of “vibes”.

Just bad stuff from both front offices.

[Dex]

The Bucks and Nuggets situation should be a cautionary tale for this iteration of the Spurs. Both those teams waited too long to move off of their players. Overpaid a few of them too.

Like MPJ should be gone - break that money up and use it to bolster bench. Owners hanging on to this dude because of “vibes”.

Just bad stuff from both front offices.

Same could be said for Jamal Murray. Dude had one great playoff run which yes, got them a ring.

But then they gave him the bag and he hasn't been nearly as effective. Was awful in the last playoffs minus two big shots, and has been just okay this playoffs. Also was so bad for team Canada in the Olympics he got benched.

[mo7888]

Same could be said for Jamal Murray. Dude had one great playoff run which yes, got them a ring.

But then they gave him the bag and he hasn't been nearly as effective. Was awful in the last playoffs minus two big shots, and has been just okay this playoffs. Also was so bad for team Canada in the Olympics he got benched.

Toronto is a natural trading partner for Murray if Denver wants to move him.

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Is Jalen Duren always this much of a bonehead? What was that jump ball?
He just stood there and watched one of his guards give up a crucial layup. He could have blocked it. He was close enough. He got pulled.

[scott]

It is looking increasingly the case that both the Nuggets & Bucks may have wasted the prime of two All-timers in Giannis and Jokic. Giannis hasn’t won a playoff series since 2022. Imagine such drought spanning the typical peak age of an NBA star (27-31). Meanwhile Jokic keeps racking up MVPs as the undisputed best player in the world for the past 4 years only for it to result in a 1 title/Conference Finals in the same run beating a bunch of sub 50-win teams. The Nuggets never even had a truly dominant regular season with Jokic like every All Time Great.


As much as it still bugs me to this day that the Spurs never repeated, we at least still won three championships at the height of the Duncan Era (2003-2007), and that only a couple of bounces and bad breaks (0.4 and Manu foul on Dirk) prevented a potential threepeat during the meat of Timmy’s prime

I don't have a strong opinion either way because I haven't thought about it enough... but maybe Giannis and Jokic aren't quite the dominant impact players that they're made out to be?

[scott]

:lol A reporter just asked the Memphis coach: "With all the hurt from the end - or close to the end - of your season, how does that sit with you?"

Can you imagine if Pop was asked that question?

Pop: <stares awkwardly at reporter for 10 seconds> ....... "Badly."

Or if he was feeling feisty, he would repeat the question mockingly before giving a nothing response. "How does that sit with me? Well...I think it will sit with me in an undesirable fashion, probably."

God dammit, I'm starting to miss that old fuck already.

Have you listened to Joe Mazzulla interviews? He sounds like he studied Pop the way players studied and emulated their game after Jordan. He's pretty hilarious in that same vein.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't have a strong opinion either way because I haven't thought about it enough... but maybe Giannis and Jokic aren't quite the dominant impact players that they're made out to be?


I don't think that's the case. Looking at Jokic's team, there are only 3 guys with positive BPMs besides Nikola: Gordon at +1.2, Murray at +0.8, and Braun at +0.3. The rest of the team is entirely in the negative. Compare that with SGA's situation in OKC, where like Jokic he leads the team, but has 11 teammates in the positive range, with numbers like +4.3, 4.0, 4.0, 3.4, 2.4, 1.3, 1.3, etc... SGA has 7 teammates with better BPMs than Jokic's best teammate.

[rjv]

nuggets are cooked. i have no idea what westbrook's injury is or what his status will be for the next game but gordon is clearly not at 100% and murray seems out of sorts. clippers are clicking on all cylinders.

[LeBowen]

I don't think that's the case. Looking at Jokic's team, there are only 3 guys with positive BPMs besides Nikola: Gordon at +1.2, Murray at +0.8, and Braun at +0.3. The rest of the team is entirely in the negative. Compare that with SGA's situation in OKC, where like Jokic he leads the team, but has 11 teammates in the positive range, with numbers like +4.3, 4.0, 4.0, 3.4, 2.4, 1.3, 1.3, etc... SGA has 7 teammates with better BPMs than Jokic's best teammate.

Regardless of which era someone prefers, role players are more important than ever. There's nothing a single player can do if his supporting cast is garbage.
Giannis is at 35/15/4 on 65% FG in these two games, basically prime Shaq numbers while also playing great defense.
G1 his teammates shot 4-26 from 3PT through three quarters, what's Giannis even supposed to do?
Nuggets supporting cast shot 5-23 in G3.

You can say just listing shooting splits is a shallow way to look at things, but in today's game chances of winning playoff games against serious opposition are low if you can't shoot the ball as a team.
Unless maybe it's an elite defensive roster, which Bucks and Nuggets obviously aren't.

With that being said, OKC still doesn't convince me. I predicted Clippers to beat them and I'll stick to that until I see Williams and Chet deliver against serious opposition.


nuggets are cooked. i have no idea what westbrook's injury is or what his status will be for the next game but gordon is clearly not at 100% and murray seems out of sorts. clippers are clicking on all cylinders.

MPJ is apparently playing with a shoulder injury that would usually require a month long recovery.

[scott]

I don't think that's the case. Looking at Jokic's team, there are only 3 guys with positive BPMs besides Nikola: Gordon at +1.2, Murray at +0.8, and Braun at +0.3. The rest of the team is entirely in the negative. Compare that with SGA's situation in OKC, where like Jokic he leads the team, but has 11 teammates in the positive range, with numbers like +4.3, 4.0, 4.0, 3.4, 2.4, 1.3, 1.3, etc... SGA has 7 teammates with better BPMs than Jokic's best teammate.

There is an interesting, unproveable dynamic at play though... does SGA make his teammates better, to the point where they have positive BPMs, but Jokic does not? Or Does SGA just have better teammates who make him look better?

I tend to think that both these guys are great and Jokic has a crappy team around him while SGA has a well constructed team around him... just throwing discussion points out because it's interesting to think about here in the dull days with no Spurs basketball.

[KobesAchilles]

Nah Denver really messed up with the owners being cheap when they shouldn’t have been and then being expensive when they shouldn’t have been. A max contract for an oft injured PG who has never made the all star team is stupid. Paying MPJ $30 million a year is also stupid. Getting rid of KPC was stupid. And so was firing Malone. Just tanked a year of prime Jokic for no reason

The bucks is due to injury and bad contracts as well. Not much Giannis can do when Lillard is trash. Glad the Spurs didn’t listen to me on that one. And Middleton was equal trash making $40 million a year. Spurs need to find the right role players and draft specialists going forward for specific roles as well

[LeBowen]

Clippers finished the regular season on a 19-3 run.
Losses were against OKC (2 points), Cavs (5 points, no nephew) and Pelicans (7 points, lmao).

Their loss in Denver was a 2 points, OT loss.


They're arguably the most in form team in the league.

[spurraider21]

Clippers finished the regular season on a 19-3 run.
Losses were against OKC (2 points), Cavs (5 points, no nephew) and Pelicans (7 points, lmao).

Their loss in Denver was a 2 points, OT loss.


They're arguably the most in form team in the league.
with backstabbing POS nephew playing as well as he ever has (at least offensively, while still being a great, yet not peak-level defender)... there isnt a team they cant beat. Zubac has been incredible for them all year. Powell has been great for them all year. and Harden outplayed all expectations throughout the year.

and like you said, they're basically firing on all cylinders right now

[LeBowen]

with backstabbing POS nephew playing as well as he ever has (at least offensively, while still being a great, yet not peak-level defender)... there isnt a team they cant beat. Zubac has been incredible for them all year. Powell has been great for them all year. and Harden outplayed all expectations throughout the year.

and like you said, they're basically firing on all cylinders right now

Yeah, Zubac is looking like an unexpected hero for them.
Dunn has been amazing defensively, same goes for Jones Jr and Batum despite his age.

As for all cylinders, Powell has dropped off a bit and Bogdanovic has been a non-factor.
He averaged 11ppg on 43% from 3pt over 30 games since he joined, but has scored just 2 points in 3 playoff games, 37 minutes played.
If those two get in rythm, Clippers might just be able to match OKC's depth.

There's Ben Simmons, too. :lol

[TD 21]

The Nuggets weren't winning this series even if they were healthy.

Their one card left to play is probably Porter Jr. for depth. I wonder if the Spurs are/will be interested.

Thunder vs Clippers will probably (puncher's chance for the Celtics) be for the championship.

[SpursBills]

Assuming they make it past Denver, I want to see how Kawhi does against that Thunder defense. So far the only theoretical Achilles' heel for OKC is that they can get bullied because they're playing smaller guys. Kawhi's one of the only wings I've ever seen who could absolutely just body Lu Dort. Chet's a gamer but he's still skinny. I'm not sure you can crack the OKC defense with 5 out offense, they might be too fast and smart for that with all the small guys they play, but maybe you can still bludgeon them into submission if you have drivers that are big/strong enough.

[CGD]

Assuming they make it past Denver, I want to see how Kawhi does against that Thunder defense. So far the only theoretical Achilles' heel for OKC is that they can get bullied because they're playing smaller guys. Kawhi's one of the only wings I've ever seen who could absolutely just body Lu Dort. Chet's a gamer but he's still skinny. I'm not sure you can crack the OKC defense with 5 out offense, they might be too fast and smart for that with all the small guys they play, but maybe you can still bludgeon them into submission if you have drivers that are big/strong enough.

It’s gonna be a hell of a series, and likely the challenger to Boston in the Finals.

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The Bucks are the worst coached team I have ever seen that didn't have Pop at the helm. Jesus.

[R. DeMurre]

Clippers finished the regular season on a 19-3 run.
Losses were against OKC (2 points), Cavs (5 points, no nephew) and Pelicans (7 points, lmao).

Their loss in Denver was a 2 points, OT loss.


They're arguably the most in form team in the league.

The other thing that’s pretty incredible is that the diagnosis from Spurs doctors over 6 years ago that Kawhi has a degenerative disorder is most likely 100% correct, and the fact that he, with load management and time off from injuries, can still be an elite player is kind of amazing. I know this isn’t the best arena to talk about Kawhi’s resilience and perseverance, but hurt feelings of San Antonio fans aside, it’s a remarkable story. He easily could’ve retired a multimillionaire, but instead continues to fight against set back after set back.

[baseline bum]

Clippers finished the regular season on a 19-3 run.
Losses were against OKC (2 points), Cavs (5 points, no nephew) and Pelicans (7 points, lmao).

Their loss in Denver was a 2 points, OT loss.


They're arguably the most in form team in the league.

Still think they should be huge underdogs vs OKC. But wouldn't surprise me if the Clippers are the toughest challenge OKC faces this playoffs even with the way Harden shits the bed the final 3 games every series he is in (other than the 2012 WCF :pctoss).

[baseline bum]

The Bucks are the worst coached team I have ever seen that didn't have Pop at the helm. Jesus.

LOL Coc. He's like a CEO that tanks his company, gets a golden parachute out, and is then gets another job immediately for millions thanks to connections so he can tank that company too.

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LOL Coc. He's like a CEO that tanks his company, gets a golden parachute out, and is then gets another job immediately for millions thanks to connections so he can tank that company too.

Really true. The pro sports have been recycling terrible coaches for decades. Doc has always seemed to have a lot of talent and makes them underachieve. He's the un-PhilJackson.

[mystargtr34]

As a Spurs fan feels like i should be rooting for the Bucks to get swept to increase the chances Giannis demands out.

Not saying the Spurs should go hard after him but feel like having that option can only be a good thing.

[itzsoweezee]

I guess Milwaukee simply doesn’t run an offense? Almost looks like they’re playing a pick up game out there

[baseline bum]

As a Spurs fan feels like i should be rooting for the Bucks to get swept to increase the chances Giannis demands out.

Not saying the Spurs should go hard after him but feel like having that option can only be a good thing.

Guessing a Giannis trade would look like

* Castle
* Vassell
* Sochan
* 2025 Spurs first
* 2026 Spurs first (with unprotected Atlanta swap)
* 2030 Spurs first (with unprotected Dallas swap plus top 1 protected Minnesota swap)

-for-

*Giannis

Or maybe you switch the 2026 first to the 2027 ATL first. It's a lot to give up and I'm not sure I'd bring in anyone to be option #1 over Wemby but this is probably what it would cost.

[Obstructed_View]

As a Spurs fan feels like i should be rooting for the Bucks to get swept to increase the chances Giannis demands out.

Not saying the Spurs should go hard after him but feel like having that option can only be a good thing.
How do the Spurs pay that many max contracts?

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Glad to see the Bucks start hitting shots, but their defense is so predictable. They bite on literally every jab and every pump fake, and then have to chase down the dribbler.

[KobesAchilles]

How do the Spurs pay that many max contracts?
We have zero max contracts right now…

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We have zero max contracts right now…
This is the basketball equivalent of "But I ate breakfast this morning."

Well done. :lmao

[KobesAchilles]

This is the basketball equivalent of "But I ate breakfast this morning."

Well done. :lmao
I mean you asked how we pay that many max contracts. Whelp we don’t have any max contracts. Plus we can go over the cap with Wembys contract so that’s not an issue. I suppose Fox would have to take slightly less if we did get Giannis but it wouldn’t be much less. And even w/o Giannis it isn’t guaranteed we are going to max Fox. Plus I’m pretty sure Vic’s max wouldn’t kick in until Giannis last year on the deal and we could trade Fox really at any time if we are in that much of a need for it.

[Obstructed_View]

I guess Milwaukee simply doesn’t run an offense? Almost looks like they’re playing a pick up game out there
Yeah they just started hitting the same shots they had been missing before. It's hard to game plan for hot shooting.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I’ve been very impressed by Randle these playoffs. He has a bad reputation but he’s playing his heart out and is their offensive hub, while Edwards is hiding.

[Dex]

Refs doing everything they can to keep the Lakers in this game. Good to know that some things never change

[Ice009]

It is looking increasingly the case that both the Nuggets & Bucks may have wasted the prime of two All-timers in Giannis and Jokic. Giannis hasn’t won a playoff series since 2022. Imagine such drought spanning the typical peak age of an NBA star (27-31). Meanwhile Jokic keeps racking up MVPs as the undisputed best player in the world for the past 4 years only for it to result in a 1 title/Conference Finals in the same run beating a bunch of sub 50-win teams. The Nuggets never even had a truly dominant regular season with Jokic like every All Time Great.


As much as it still bugs me to this day that the Spurs never repeated, we at least still won three championships at the height of the Duncan Era (2003-2007), and that only a couple of bounces and bad breaks (0.4 and Manu foul on Dirk) prevented a potential threepeat during the meat of Timmy’s prime

Who cares about the Nuggets and Bucks. The Spurs wasted David Robinson's prime, so I don't really care that much about those two guys unless they were on the Spurs. Spurs fans have seen David Robinson (I was still very young so I don't remember it that well. Plus, since I'm not in the US, NBA coverage was hard to come by) get screwed over worse until winning the amazing Tim Duncan draft lottery.

I do feel a little bad about Jokic, though, as you are right, the Nuggets haven't even had more than one great regular season (did you say they've only made it to the conference finals once, outside of the championship year [making it twice if you include their championship year]), which to me tells me he's had some pretty bad teams around him. Amazing that D-Rob was able to drag some of the rosters he had to more wins than Jokic has been able to get the Nuggets with his all-time stats and play.

I agree with you about the repeat thing as I wanted to repeat badly, but the Spurs were basically two plays away from 5 in a row between 2003-2007 (Lakers game 5 in 2004 and Dirk foul in 2006). Not many other teams have come that close with a real chance at 5 in a row (I know it wasn't certain we would have won those two years, but I do think it was a greater than 50% chance if it wasn't for those two plays), so that's what I keep thinking back to and feel somewhat OK about it. The Spurs were that good that they had a real chance at 5 in a row. Yeah, the 2004 series against Detroit might have been really tough if the 0.4 shot didn't count and the Spurs win that Lakers series, but I think a three peat at the very least was likely if that Dirk foul didn't happen as TD was by far the best player in the playoffs in 2006 (he was playing phenomenal after battling plantar fasciitis throughout the season, completely dominating).

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well done Ant for coming up big in crunch time. Go Wolves.

[RC_Drunkford]

Timberwolves look like geniuses trading KAT for Randle. KAT is way better in the regular season, but with how he stinks it up in the playoffs everytime, his numbers are basically the same as Randle's and they save 20 million

[Robz4000]

Timberwolves look like geniuses trading KAT for Randle. KAT is way better in the regular season, but with how he stinks it up in the playoffs everytime, his numbers are basically the same as Randle's and they save 20 million

Think Randle is taking this series personally tbh; doubt he plays this well next round if the T'Pups get there. That being said, getting off KAT's contract was the right move to try to keep the rest of the team together.

[ambchang]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44855127/rockets-dillon-brooks-calls-draymond-green-dirty-player

ESPN going Baghdad bob for fhe warriors here. The article isn’t about talking about how greens clearly shoved amen in the back causing him to crash into jimmy. It’s flipping the script and saying amen is dirty by undercutting jimmy.

Then it calls out brooks for being dirty for his past play while making zero mention of greens very long history of injuring, choke holding and stomping on other players.

To add the cherry on top, it talked about greens flagrant, which didn’t even connect and was a green flop, as evidence of Houston being dirty.

This is the type of biased reporting that is making the nba a joke league.

[R. DeMurre]

There is an interesting, unproveable dynamic at play though... does SGA make his teammates better, to the point where they have positive BPMs, but Jokic does not? Or Does SGA just have better teammates who make him look better?

I tend to think that both these guys are great and Jokic has a crappy team around him while SGA has a well constructed team around him... just throwing discussion points out because it's interesting to think about here in the dull days with no Spurs basketball.


Yeah, I think it's always important to look for as much context as possible when trying to evaluate impact stats, but in this case I'd look at someone like Aaron Gordon, who for the first 8 seasons of his career never had a BPM above +1.0, but in the last 3 seasons playing with Jokic has been above 1.0 three times, and above +2 twice. I think in Jokic's case, he's elevating a handful of players to net neutral status who would likely be net negatives on most other teams.

[lefty]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44855127/rockets-dillon-brooks-calls-draymond-green-dirty-player

ESPN going Baghdad bob for fhe warriors here. The article isn’t about talking about how greens clearly shoved amen in the back causing him to crash into jimmy. It’s flipping the script and saying amen is dirty by undercutting jimmy.

Then it calls out brooks for being dirty for his past play while making zero mention of greens very long history of injuring, choke holding and stomping on other players.

To add the cherry on top, it talked about greens flagrant, which didn’t even connect and was a green flop, as evidence of Houston being dirty.

This is the type of biased reporting that is making the nba a joke league.

Some Youtubers do a much better job at covering the NBA because they use context.
Espn is a joke

[itzsoweezee]

I’ve been very impressed by Randle these playoffs. He has a bad reputation but he’s playing his heart out and is their offensive hub, while Edwards is hiding.

Definitely agree. He’s been great, even playing pretty good defense.

[LeBowen]

Yeah, I think it's always important to look for as much context as possible when trying to evaluate impact stats, but in this case I'd look at someone like Aaron Gordon, who for the first 8 seasons of his career never had a BPM above +1.0, but in the last 3 seasons playing with Jokic has been above 1.0 three times, and above +2 twice. I think in Jokic's case, he's elevating a handful of players to net neutral status who would likely be net negatives on most other teams.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2022.html

Won 48 games with that roster.
Murray missed the season, MPJ played 9 games.
Gordon as his only legit teammate

Barton, Morris, Jeff Green, Hyland, Cousins, Rivers, Dozier, Campazzo, Forbes :lmao was the rest of his supporting cast.
What do they have in common? All were out of the league by the start of 2023-24 season, not even two years later.

Jokic obviously has issues on defense, but I'll dare to say I've never seen anyone elevate every single one of his teamamtes so much. (I'm too young to remember Magic.)
MJ was an executioner, Lebron elevated just role players, his star teammates had to take a step back. Luka and Harden were also all about elevating role players.
Elite floor generals like Stockton, Nash or CP3 created enough for everyone, but they didn't hav enough firepower to carry games by themselves on regular basis.
Jokic does everything.


Meanwhile, Cavs are taking care of business in Miami.

[LeBowen]

Idk what are the Nuggets thinking there, Gordon going at Harden for no reason.

[timtonymanu]

Good things happen when Westbrick isn’t playing lol

[Robz4000]

:lmao Nuggets
:lmao Murray

[timtonymanu]

The nuggets don’t deserve Jokic tbh

[GAustex]

The offense foul on Jokic is bs

[LeBowen]

My biggest takeaway from this game is that Patty still has the best towel waving skills in the league.

[LeBowen]

Damn, how do you even call that.

[Robz4000]

Good by the closest of margins tbh.

[timtonymanu]

Don’t know if that tip in was on time

[Robz4000]

Absolutely insane

[timtonymanu]

Wow tough loss for the clippers. But I think they win game 5.

[lefty]

:lmao Nuggets
:lmao Murray

Too soon :lol

[Dejounte]

Sengun manhandled by Green
Sengun lost this game for the Rockets

[ginobilized]

Curry with another legendary night, no shot is a bad shot from him, even at 37 vs hyper-athletic, lengthy youth.

Sengun and Jalen Green were MIA. Still, a fun series to watch if you're an old guy like me. 80's style games.

[timtonymanu]

Rockettes are done. :lol They needed that win while butler was out.

[Robz4000]

Too soon :lol

The jinx worked :smokin

[Robz4000]

Rockettes are done. :lol They needed that win while butler was out.

Not sure they win another game even if Butler stays out tbh.

[daslicer]

Sengun manhandled by Green
Sengun lost this game for the Rockets

Agreed it was very frustrating to see but Draymond punked Sengun and the Rockets. Sengun is done mentally for this series. He's another foreign bigman just like Sabonis and Adams that has fallen prey to Draymond's dirty play.

[timtonymanu]

Not sure they win another game even if Butler stays out tbh.

Dillon brooks is about to be the victim of two #2 seeds losing to a 7th seed lol

[Mr. Body]

Rockets would be a no contest if Butler wasn't hurt.

Not unusual for a team to not do well their first time in the playoffs. GSW has unbelievable experience. For the Rox, FVV and Jalen Green aren't cutting it. Udoka has them playing great defense and they have some nice pieces, but too many of their high draft picks like Jabari and Green haven't panned out. Supposed depth like Reed and Whitmore is illusory. Be interesting to see what they do moving forward to fix some of the holes.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This year’s playoffs have been amazing so far. So much physicality, toughness, bad blood. Genuinely great competitiveness and basketball to watch. It’s always been a bit of a meme that playoff basketball is a different sport compared to regular season but it’s absolutely true this year.

Hate that the Spurs aren’t in it, hopefully next year. But we can watch and clearly see what works and what is fools gold.

[Mr. Body]

This year’s playoffs have been amazing so far. So much physicality, toughness, bad blood. Genuinely great competitiveness and basketball to watch. It’s always been a bit of a meme that playoff basketball is a different sport compared to regular season but it’s absolutely true this year.

Hate that the Spurs aren’t in it, hopefully next year. But we can watch and clearly see what works and what is fools gold.

It seems to be getting more interesting. A problem with modern NBA is that there are so many blow-outs. If a team is on a heater from deep, the game is all but over from the start. And once again the Thunder get a seriously injured first round opponent, which sucks.

But now we're getting bad blood in some matchups, even the EC is getting a bit interesting. Denver-LAC is not a matchup that should happen in the first round, it's psycho. And Houston-Warriors hate each other for no reason...

[LeBowen]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/drives?PerMode=Totals&dir=D&sort=DRIVES

Ant has 50 drives in 3 games, 30 FGA from those drives and 2 FTA.
I hate the Lakers so much, it's just ridiculous how favored they are by the league.

[RC_Drunkford]

Rockets and Lakers losing in the first round was expected. The Rockets don't have any shooting, the Lakers roster outside of Luka, LeFlop and Reeves is straight garbage. They were the #2 and #3 seeds, but only by 4 and 3 wins ahead of the 7th seed.

The Nuggets are now being coached by Jokic and the Grizzlies fell off a cliff after firing Jenkins. Both teams should've let them coach til the end of the postseason.


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r3wyyKta-y0

[Ice009]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/drives?PerMode=Totals&dir=D&sort=DRIVES

Ant has 50 drives in 3 games, 30 FGA from those drives and 2 FTA.
I hate the Lakers so much, it's just ridiculous how favored they are by the league.

Wow, that's crazy.

[baseline bum]

Wow tough loss for the clippers. But I think they win game 5.

IDK this is historically right where Harden starts falling off a cliff

[Mr. Body]

IDK this is historically right where Harden starts falling off a cliff

Yeah, Harden is such a shit playoff performer. But if Kawhi is healthy he and Powell can carry him.

[Ice009]

Kawhi really turned up the intensity in the 4th and almost willed them to a win. He went for a couple of haymakers 3s at the end of the fourth, but unfortunately for the Clippers, they didn't go in. Big win by Denver, and Jokic got screwed on a couple of those fouls calls at the end. He certainly didn't hook Zubac's arm.

Also, what is the rule on a dunk to win the game? Can you hands still be on the ball if it's through the top of the rim and the red light/times runs out?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Loving the physicality of the Pistons and Knicks game. Not great quality but a fantastic game to watch nonetheless. Refs getting the right balance of not blowing the whistle easily either way only helps the helter skelter flow.

[Robz4000]

Should've layed it up there, could be the difference in this game tbh.

[lefty20]

Do my eyes deceive me or is KAT really going supernova in the playoffs :wow

[Robz4000]

:wow KAT being clutch? In the playoffs?!

[Robz4000]

Should've layed it up there, could be the difference in this game tbh.

Welp

[Robz4000]

:lol refs

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That was a clear foul on the last shot :lol Awesome game.

[Robz4000]

Pistons had their chances but pissed it away tbh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Pistons had their chances but pissed it away tbh.

Cade hero-balling on their last 3 possessions resulting in 0-2 and a turnover did them. Don’t know if it was him or the coach but they should have at least tried to run something.

[pad300]

...

The Nuggets are now being coached by Jokic and the Grizzlies fell off a cliff after firing Jenkins. Both teams should've let them coach til the end of the postseason.

...

Considering how damn high Jokic's BBall IQ is, that doesn't sound like a terrible idea to me...

[RC_Drunkford]

LakerRefs in full effect...

[timtonymanu]

Lakerref ruining any good this game is doing already

[exstatic]

Kawhi really turned up the intensity in the 4th and almost willed them to a win. He went for a couple of haymakers 3s at the end of the fourth, but unfortunately for the Clippers, they didn't go in. Big win by Denver, and Jokic got screwed on a couple of those fouls calls at the end. He certainly didn't hook Zubac's arm.

Also, what is the rule on a dunk to win the game? Can you hands still be on the ball if it's through the top of the rim and the red light/times runs out?

They had an angle where it was pretty clear that he had released the dunk and the light was not yet on. Risky gamble, though. I’ve seen it go the other way, and if the ruling on the court had been no shot, I’m not sure what happens. I’ve see clearer video evidence whiffed.

[Robz4000]

Damn, thought Ant was fucked there for a second.

[LeBowen]

That's a dirty fucking play, if Brooks or Draymond did it we'd be listening about a scumbag move for weeks.

You don't dive at someone's knees.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How Edwards was able to walk off after this is amazing. Horrible play by LeBron diving at his legs.

[LeBowen]

Dubious Handle is no more!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That's a dirty fucking play, if Brooks or Draymond did it we'd be listening about a scumbag move for weeks.

You don't dive at someone's knees.

Cole Anthony is a master at it. Dirty as fuck.

[LeBowen]

Gobert needs to be sat down, he's beyond useless.

How can you be by far the tallest player on the floor and have 1-6 FG in 22 minutes on the floor?

[lefty20]

Old man James :wow

[LeBowen]

Tbh, OKC and LAC are the only Western teams that play good basketball and don't just get the ball to their stars and hope for the best.
Even though it's top level entertainment, the quality is lacking when it comes to top level contenders.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Coaches shouldn’t blindly trust the players for challenges like this.

[baseline bum]

God I'd kill to get Jaden McDaniels on the Spurs. Also WTF challenging that call that was obviously off Ant.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Lucky Minnesota haha

[LeBowen]

God I'd kill to get Jaden McDaniels on the Spurs. Also WTF challenging that call that was obviously off Ant.

He's exactly what we're hoping Sochan can be.
Identical contract to Devin's, just not front loaded. And we still have that pick of theirs, just saying...


Lakers fanbase about to have a collective meltdown after not being obviously favored by the refs once.

[CGD]

Wow, this first round has been the best in recent memory. Really great games for the most part.

[RC_Drunkford]

Fuck the Lakers!!!

Loving these playoffs so far. Games are physical and going down to the wire. There shouldn't be any worries about ratings.

[timtonymanu]

Pretty good comeback by Minny. I thought they would lose this one.

[exstatic]

He's exactly what we're hoping Sochan can be.
Identical contract to Devin's, just not front loaded. And we still have that pick of theirs, just saying...


Lakers fanbase about to have a collective meltdown after not being obviously favored by the refs once.

No we don’t. That went to Sacto in the Fox trade.

[LeBowen]

No we don’t. That went to Sacto in the Fox trade.

We have the unprotected swap, same thing.

[LeBowen]

Podcaster is already complaining about the refs, we all know what's coming in G5.

[Gibbz]

Redick crying about the play that very easily could've been a travel for Luka sliding three fucking feet on the floor. Bron is gonna fire you anyway, dude--you don't have to go out like this.

[Spurs Homer]

What i got about the playoffs this weekend was this;

the thompson twins are probably two of the lowest IQ players on the planet….

I pray the spurs are never ever ever fucking tempted to ever sign one of these dumbfucks.

[daslicer]

What i got about the playoffs this weekend was this;

the thompson twins are probably two of the lowest IQ players on the planet….

I pray the spurs are never ever ever fucking tempted to ever sign one of these dumbfucks.

Agreed but I would say Amen has the physical tools to be a star, but it comes down to him fixing his jump shot which will be a tall task.

[Mr. Body]

Same sportsutainment media insisting Shadeur Sanders was a top pick in the NFL draft insisted the Lakers were going to win this series.

[Splits]

Kawhi really turned up the intensity in the 4th and almost willed them to a win. He went for a couple of haymakers 3s at the end of the fourth, but unfortunately for the Clippers, they didn't go in. Big win by Denver, and Jokic got screwed on a couple of those fouls calls at the end. He certainly didn't hook Zubac's arm.

Also, what is the rule on a dunk to win the game? Can you hands still be on the ball if it's through the top of the rim and the red light/times runs out?


The crew chief from the referees who officiated Game 4 has now spoken out about the controversy. In the official pool report, head ref Zach Zarba explained why they deemed Gordon's basket to be good.

“We make a ruling on the floor," Zarba said, via Clippers beat reporter Tomer Azarly of ClutchPoints. "The ruling on the floor from the game officials was a good basket. It then automatically goes to the Replay Center official. The Replay Center official, after taking a good look at it, found clear and conclusive evidence that the ball was out of Gordon’s hands when the red light came on to end the game. That’s why it was ruled a good basket.


“It has to be out of his hand when that red light is on," Zarba said. "That’s what we’re looking for. It’s not the cylinder of the rim -- it’s whether it’s in contact with his hand or not when that red light comes on.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nba-official-issues-statement-clippers-034927002.html

[LeBowen]

Same sportsutainment media insisting Shadeur Sanders was a top pick in the NFL draft insisted the Lakers were going to win this series.

https://i.imgur.com/gnM347E.png

:lmao
Not even a token hot take prediction for the Wolves.

Half of us regulars in here would do a better job than these clowns.
How can you fucking follow the game for a living, for decades, and still be this clueless?

[Mr. Body]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nba-official-issues-statement-clippers-034927002.html

Did the rule change? Is it different from college or something? I've always heard that once the ball is halfway through the cylinder, it's a basket. It doesn't matter if the hand is on it or not. The ball is out of play at that point because it's a score. Not sure if something changed.

[lefty]

Lakers in 5 has a whole new meaning now

[Gibbz]

:lmao
Not even a token hot take prediction for the Wolves.

Half of us regulars in here would do a better job than these clowns.
How can you fucking follow the game for a living, for decades, and still be this clueless?

That is stunning. I know it's easy to say now, but I expected Minnesota to win this series. The Lakers are massively flawed. Their roster construction is so bad they had one lineup to play the entire 2H today.

[Gibbz]

Redick, Luka, Bron all talking about the refs postgame. Bunch of fucking babies.

[Mr. Body]

Redick, Luka, Bron all talking about the refs postgame. Bunch of fucking babies.

To be fair, the refs didn't come through for them this time.

[Splits]

Lebron had 18 FTA, the most in his playoff career as a Laker, 8th most ever, and most in 8 years but :cry muh refs :cry

[lefty]

:lmao holy shit

https://youtube.com/shorts/3AiBFRx-5ho?si=g382Ozd5Kbefkc7U

[exstatic]

We have the unprotected swap, same thing.

It’s not unprotected, it’s #1 overall protected. Also, a pick isn’t near the same thing as a swap.

[Gibbz]

Orlando extremely low IQ tonight. Lumps of a young team, I suppose.

[Gibbz]

Dame likely just tore his achilles. Giannis and Dame 1 playoff game together--brutal.

[lefty20]

Would it be insensitive for Brian Wright to pick up the phone to call the Bucks for the sake of laying a foundation for Giannis trade right the fuck now?

[Seventyniner]

Lakers in 5 has a whole new meaning now

I'm old enough to remember the "Lakers in 8!" taunts in 1999.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Very sad about Dame. Perhaps there’s no correlation but him ramping up so quickly to come back from the DVT sure seemed like malpractice.

Bucks are screwed cap-wise and don’t control their picks until 2031. Brutal.

[RC_Drunkford]

6 Wolves over 3 Lakers 4-2

[Ice009]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nba-official-issues-statement-clippers-034927002.html

Thanks. I didn't think the ball had to fully leave his hands when it's in the cylinder?


Did the rule change? Is it different from college or something? I've always heard that once the ball is halfway through the cylinder, it's a basket. It doesn't matter if the hand is on it or not. The ball is out of play at that point because it's a score. Not sure if something changed.

This is exactly what I have always thought, but I don't ever remember a game winning situation to challenge that. I always thought that once the ball is in, it's a score as there was no chance of it coming out. Also, if someone shoots a shot and it's in the cylinder and someone pokes it out from underneath, it's a score as it was already in the cylinder, so why wouldn't it be a score if it's dunked in also?

[LeBowen]

It’s not unprotected, it’s #1 overall protected. Also, a pick isn’t near the same thing as a swap.

Of course it is since we were talking about hypothetical scenario of trading it back to the Wolves.



Dame's career is probably over if we're talking being a serious contributor. Shame, but this was his last chance either way, he had to take the risk.

[tbdog]

Very sad about Dame. Perhaps there’s no correlation but him ramping up so quickly to come back from the DVT sure seemed like malpractice.

Bucks are screwed cap-wise and don’t control their picks until 2031. Brutal.

Yeah, they done. They will trade the Greek Freak. It has to happen. They will take a pick package.

[quentin_compson]

Cory Joseph starting in the Playoffs in the year 2025 is quite surreal.

[ambchang]

Lakers not doing well is expected. I was totally wrong on the warriors. Didn’t count on them being too good and I thought the rockets defence would be able to stifle a past his peak curry. Bucks is a disappointment, Indiana isn’t even a decent team and will be destroyed by the cavs in the next round though.

Was rooting hard for the pistons but then they got screwed over in the last game and lost a tight on the previous game.

Orlando isn’t a good team to begin with and I don’t trust paolo at all, that said the Celtics isn’t dominating as much as I thought they would.

OKC is just killing everyone. Memphis isn’t a good test but it would be hard to see any team in the west. Like cookie Kwan said “#1 on the west side”.

Nuggets are so poorly constructed but Jokic is just insane. To think that they gave his mvp to embiid a couple of years ago is just comical. NO question Jokic is the goat offensive player at this point. And also ring count is about as overrated as it gets when it comes to evaluating players, and that’s with Duncan winning five.

[lefty]

I'm old enough to remember the "Lakers in 8!" taunts in 1999.

:lol
And it ended with us closing down the coke and aids forum forever

[lefty]

Cory Joseph starting in the Playoffs in the year 2025 is quite surreal.

I was shocked when I heard the commentator saying his name, told myself it had to be another Curtis Joseph

[lefty]

Ok thanks :

https://x.com/thehoopcentral/status/1916593043983262070

[montgod]

Ok thanks :

https://x.com/thehoopcentral/status/1916593043983262070

These reports are so pointless. Even Hart said the same thing that he'll wait for the 2min report knowing it don't matter regardless cause the game is over.

[LeBowen]

These reports are so pointless. Even Hart said the same thing that he'll wait for the 2min report knowing it don't matter regardless cause the game is over.

The reports would be good if there was any accountability.
I don't understand how are the refs allowed to preside over themselves.
They have the best job security in the world. Refs who make game changing mistakes, especially in the playoffs, shouldn't be allowed to ref more playoff games that season.
Instead, nothing happens. Business as usual.

[lefty]

The reports would be good if there was any accountability.
I don't understand how are the refs allowed to preside over themselves.
They have the best job security in the world. Refs who make game changing mistakes, especially in the playoffs, shouldn't be allowed to ref more playoff games that season.
Instead, nothing happens. Business as usual.

Or maybe it’s just the NBA trying to get the biggest market team to the 2nd round instead of fucking Motown

[Mr. Body]

Lakers not doing well is expected. I was totally wrong on the warriors. Didn’t count on them being too good and I thought the rockets defence would be able to stifle a past his peak curry. Bucks is a disappointment, Indiana isn’t even a decent team and will be destroyed by the cavs in the next round though.

Was rooting hard for the pistons but then they got screwed over in the last game and lost a tight on the previous game.

Orlando isn’t a good team to begin with and I don’t trust paolo at all, that said the Celtics isn’t dominating as much as I thought they would.

OKC is just killing everyone. Memphis isn’t a good test but it would be hard to see any team in the west. Like cookie Kwan said “#1 on the west side”.

Nuggets are so poorly constructed but Jokic is just insane. To think that they gave his mvp to embiid a couple of years ago is just comical. NO question Jokic is the goat offensive player at this point. And also ring count is about as overrated as it gets when it comes to evaluating players, and that’s with Duncan winning five.

I really think Ja was right, that Memphis was doing well against OKC until Dort dirty-played him and took him out. They would have won game 3 and then game 4 was fairly close without him.

Two years in a row -- OKC got a very injured NOP team last year in the first round.

[Leetonidas]

Dame tearing his Achilles after coming back so fast from DVT is brutal, I feel bad for the bucks fans. This is probably the end of Giannis in Milwaukee imo, bet he'll demand a trade in the offseason

[montgod]

The reports would be good if there was any accountability.
I don't understand how are the refs allowed to preside over themselves.
They have the best job security in the world. Refs who make game changing mistakes, especially in the playoffs, shouldn't be allowed to ref more playoff games that season.
Instead, nothing happens. Business as usual.

Fully agree. And I remember games close like this in the past where it was clear as day that the lost would have occurred if a foul had been called or not called.

I feel like a rule should be in place where those calls can be reversed and game result changed. Now I know it wouldn't apply to this one since Hardaway still has to make his free throws but it would be a clear line drawn. Issue is the true deciding factor these days is gambling so this would never actually happen. If anything, these reports are just to judge refs accuracy and take away big games/playoffs if they suck or reward them playoffs if they have the fewest errors caught.

[exstatic]

Fully agree. And I remember games close like this in the past where it was clear as day that the lost would have occurred if a foul had been called or not called.

I feel like a rule should be in place where those calls can be reversed and game result changed. Now I know it wouldn't apply to this one since Hardaway still has to make his free throws but it would be a clear line drawn. Issue is the true deciding factor these days is gambling so this would never actually happen. If anything, these reports are just to judge refs accuracy and take away big games/playoffs if they suck or reward them playoffs if they have the fewest errors caught.

It was a no call. You can’t even review that.

To me, if it’s a close game, and a close call, make the foul call, and let replay/review sort it out.

[montgod]

It was a no call. You can’t even review that.

To me, if it’s a close game, and a close call, make the foul call, and let replay/review sort it out.

Good point, and that is what should happen, but refs lean towards not making any calls in those last seconds more likely than not which sucks.

However if a call had been made and wrong, I was referring to making a rule to strengthen the 2min after game report by allowing a change, even if it means a team loses, if it's blatant. As I said before, probably will never come about though.

[Mugen]

Have only watched a handful of playoff games thus far, but man it's clear how far the Spurs are from competing at that level tbh. I really hope they can bring in a competent coach that can turn this program around quick.

The franchise has been one of the worst 3 this decade, it isn't even debatable tbh.

[scott]

Have only watched a handful of playoff games thus far, but man it's clear how far the Spurs are from competing at that level tbh. I really hope they can bring in a competent coach that can turn this program around quick.

The franchise has been one of the worst 3 this decade, it isn't even debatable tbh.

Dat job security tho

[Spurs Homer]

Agreed but I would say Amen has the physical tools to be a star, but it comes down to him fixing his jump shot which will be a tall task.

Id say a jump shot is fixable...but you can never fix stupid...

[Spurs Homer]

Fully agree. And I remember games close like this in the past where it was clear as day that the lost would have occurred if a foul had been called or not called.

I feel like a rule should be in place where those calls can be reversed and game result changed. Now I know it wouldn't apply to this one since Hardaway still has to make his free throws but it would be a clear line drawn. Issue is the true deciding factor these days is gambling so this would never actually happen. If anything, these reports are just to judge refs accuracy and take away big games/playoffs if they suck or reward them playoffs if they have the fewest errors caught.

another stupid thing...

early in the game - the idiot piston coach LISTENED to his player calling for a review and the score might have been like 4-2 or 4-0 - barely the start of the game...

moron coach fell for it - lost the challenge - and instead of being able to challenge a call in the closing moments - he believed his stupid ass player begging for a review on an inconsequential out of bounds call

just mind-numbing stupid

i think even POP would have saved that call - for later in the game..

(lolol - but then at the end Pop would have REFUSED to use any challenge at all!)

[Mr. Body]

Franchise drafted the ROY, acquired a good veteran guard for nothing, squeezed draft picks and swaps out of nothing, is in good financial shape.

SpursTalk: I hate this franchise, they're the worst ever.

:lol

[Leetonidas]

Except no one said that :lol

[heyheymymy]

Like cookie Kwan said “#1 on the west side”.

damn that's a pretty rare Simpsons reference nice work

[heyheymymy]

yeah why are we even watching these games if shit is going to be so predetermined

feels like a dumbass watching DET like naive children oh maybe we can win but if you ever actually push ahead they take you out back old yeller style

[heyheymymy]

If NYK must advance for media money addictions then don't even let the game get to that point

just keep calling FTs for Knicks and control the racket. but to slip and let it get interesting just to yank the leash it's like what are we even doing here

[lefty20]

Good on Miami for coming out bent over, cheeks spread and pre-lubed.

[exstatic]

Good on Miami for coming out bent over, cheeks spread and pre-lubed.
Miami has served their purpose by escaping the lottery so that their pick conveys this year to OKC at 15, instead of being unprotected next year.

[lefty20]

Miami has served their purpose by escaping the lottery so that their pick conveys this year to OKC at 15, instead of being unprotected next year.

Oh damn. I wasn't aware of that particular implication. I was just happy to seem them beat the Hawks for our sake.

[exstatic]

Oh damn. I wasn't aware of that particular implication. I was just happy to seem them beat the Hawks for our sake.

It was a win/win.

[NASpurs]

Getting blasted by 60 in the playoffs is wild.

[baseline bum]

This Rockets-Warriors matchup is so much fun, really hope it goes seven.

[baseline bum]

JFC the refs love Draymond

[Dejounte]

Old school basketball is back

[baseline bum]

Old school basketball is back

I love Brooks starting shit trying to grab that loose ball from Curry

[Mr. Body]

I love Brooks starting shit trying to grab that loose ball from Curry

small dick energy

[baseline bum]

small dick energy

Meh Curry was talking shit. ROFL if Draymond gets tossed here for kicking Eason and grabbing his jersey.

[baseline bum]

Refs really twisting themselves into pretzels to not eject Draymond there

[baseline bum]

Don't know what Udoka is thinking pissing away a challenge on that call

[baseline bum]

Oh shit didn't see Curry committed the foul, my bad :lol

[Mr. Body]

Meh Curry was talking shit. ROFL if Draymond gets tossed here for kicking Eason and grabbing his jersey.

Draymond is an unbelievable asshole and should start every game with a technical. He just kicked Eason in the head and should be out of the game.

I'm just saying that Brooks ain't won shit in his entire career so it just comes off as pathetic. I hate them both.

[baseline bum]

Oh man love the hard foul from Butler.

[baseline bum]

Damn Houston got State's offense all kinds of fucked up

[heyheymymy]

wow that MIA game was like 25-70 at one point around the half

yikes

[Bill_Brasky]

Houston misses too many FTs

[The Truth #6]

Brooks makes Draymond seem likeable.

[heyheymymy]

B-Pods putting on a show

[Robz4000]

Rockets falling apart tbh.

[Robz4000]

Series over tbh.

[itzsoweezee]

GSW getting really lucky. Timberwolves are going to wax these dudes