Our Spurs should trade the farm for Giannis!

[bigzak25]

Milwaukee states he's not going anywhere, but rumors swirl about his trade availability, with the Nets being potential suitors.

If the Spurs can get him, THEY GOTTA PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS!

Only Wemby, Castle.and Fox are untouchables.

[Obstructed_View]

Only Wemby, Castle.and Fox are untouchables.

Hey, let's trade for Luka. Just don't give up any good players or trade assets. And the team says they won't trade him, but go get him anyway. Who cares about little things like reality?

Your GM skills rival your proofreading ability.

[bigzak25]

Hey bro, no offense, but what do you know? Your view is obstructed.

Longshot, yes of course. But impossible? Nope. It could happen and be a win for all teams, but especially the Spurs as it would catapult us to next level instantaneously of course.

Just Google Giannis trade rumors. Stranger things have happened.

[exstatic]

Have you found that laptop yet,big snack?

[mystargtr34]

I’d offer Keldon and pick 14 in this years draft (lottery protected)

[ambchang]

Rockets nets and OKC can give up better assets for Giannis. Unless Giannis forces his way specifically to the spurs ala fox, I don’t see it.

[cd98]

No way Castle is not part of a Giannis trade. They would want every asset for him. He would be awesome, but he is crossing the 30 year old threshold.

[Ice009]

The Spurs don't have enough to give up for him. Like Ambchang said, unless he demands to come to SA, and SA only, no chance of getting him without giving up Castle and a horde of draft picks which I don't think I'd want to deplete all the draft assets. Not sure about what other people here think about giving up tons of draft picks for him.

[BatManu20]

Not happening. Spurs have repeatedly stated they're going to rebuild this team the right way through the draft. And we don't have a farm to sell for Giannis anyways. Even a package centered around Castle + Vassell + a plethora of draft capital wouldn't be enough. So the point is moot.

[bigzak25]

Have you found that laptop yet,big snack?

Lmao Ex...you have a great memory Sir! That laptop was stolen from me during a manic episode I had in Ireland. They used it as an excuse to let me go, but it's all good, I survived. Got naked in the streets of Ireland, sure, but I survived. Ha.

[Ice009]

Lmao Ex...you have a great memory Sir! That laptop was stolen from me during a manic episode I had in Ireland. They used it as an excuse to let me go, but it's all good, I survived. Got naked in the streets of Ireland, sure, but I survived. Ha.

WTF? Sounds like a crazy story. Care to tell us about it?

[bigzak25]

I’d offer Keldon and pick 14 in this years draft (lottery protected)

I'm sure it would take more than that.

But this is Giannis. With Wemby, Castle, and Fox.

That's a Championship core.

The Spurs could build around that core in a couple of seasons and we're ready to rock.

[bigzak25]

WTF? Sounds like a crazy story. Care to tell us about it?

Man, I have lots of crazy stories that are all too real. Bipolar I is no joke. And the power of God and Jesus is Amazing. But not in this forum. Maybe in the Club.

[bigzak25]

Rockets nets and OKC can give up better assets for Giannis. Unless Giannis forces his way specifically to the spurs ala fox, I don’t see it.

Giannis is loyal. That's why he'd make a great Spur.

We'd have to make it worth Milwaukee's while. Thus, the trade the farm title. Whatever it takes. Multiple number 1s. Soshan. Vassell. We go all in.

[bigzak25]

No way Castle is not part of a Giannis trade. They would want every asset for him. He would be awesome, but he is crossing the 30 year old threshold.

Castle is off the table. We don't do the trade if they want Castle.

[bigzak25]

Not happening. Spurs have repeatedly stated they're going to rebuild this team the right way through the draft. And we don't have a farm to sell for Giannis anyways. Even a package centered around Castle + Vassell + a plethora of draft capital wouldn't be enough. So the point is moot.

But if there is any possible way, we gotta do it.

Talking multiple Championships here. That's worth all our draft capital for the next 5 years even. But I'd want to keep some of our picks sure.

[mo7888]

Castle is off the table. We don't do the trade if they want Castle.

Then there's no point discussing it because there's no world where they would trade him here with Castle being part of the deal.

[bigzak25]

Then there's no point discussing it because there's no world where they would trade him here with Castle being part of the deal.

So you come to a Spurs discussion forum and you don't want to discuss anything? Okay...suit yourself.

[mo7888]

So you come to a Spurs discussion forum and you don't want to discuss anything? Okay...suit yourself.

I did discuss it. I discussed it by saying your proposition was a non starter that wasn't worthy of any more consideration... I'm sorry you didn't like hearing that.

[bigzak25]

I did discuss it. I discussed it by saying your proposition was a non starter that wasn't worthy of any more consideration... I'm sorry you didn't like hearing that.



You don't have to be sorry. I'm fine with hearing your opinion.

[ginobilized]

I don't see Giannis as a Spur, nor, as a guy who will lead another team to a title in his 30's. I say, go fish.

[Obstructed_View]

Hey bro, no offense, but what do you know? Your view is obstructed.

Longshot, yes of course. But impossible? Nope. It could happen and be a win for all teams, but especially the Spurs as it would catapult us to next level instantaneously of course.

Just Google Giannis trade rumors. Stranger things have happened.
Hey, bro, no offense, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

In a year where Luka was traded, I can honestly say that stranger things have NOT happened.

Not a long shot. Impossible. Milwaukee will not trade Giannis with no talent coming back.

Kudos for your improved attention to grammar and punctuation. :clap

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Hey, let's trade for Luka. Just don't give up any good players or trade assets. And the team says they won't trade him, but go get him anyway. Who cares about little things like reality?

Your GM skills rival your proofreading ability.
If I was going to sarcastically suggest that you can't make a farcical lowball offer for a superstar and expect to get away with holding trade assets back, I would quite simply not use Luka Doncic as my example.

[ismael-robert]

I think you might be manic again

[Obstructed_View]

If I was going to sarcastically suggest that you can't make a farcical lowball offer for a superstar and expect to get away with holding trade assets back, I would quite simply not use Luka Doncic as my example.
It was intentional. Ridiculous as that trade was, they got Anthony Davis in return. He's injury prone but he's a legitimate asset.

[bigzak25]

Hey, bro, no offense, but in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

In a year where Luka was traded, I can honestly say that stranger things have NOT happened.

Not a long shot. Impossible. Milwaukee will not trade Giannis with no talent coming back.

Kudos for your improved attention to grammar and punctuation. :clap
Thanks for the kudos Sir. I guess I'll just have to dream. I'm hungry for a Championship.

Who is the best realistic big man in FA or draft that Our Spurs can target so Wemby doesn't have to shoulder the load alone any more?

[bigzak25]

I think you might be manic again

Lol. I'm on my meds! Ha...

[venitian navigator]

If Milwaukee sell Giannis Is because they decide tò rebuilding...wich means you dont need a superstar but young players and draft picks. Next moves would be selling Lillard and Lopez. Giannis Is already over 30yo so and intelligent FO could see this as the fight moment tò rebuild. A package of Vassell, Johnson and Sochan plus 14 and 38 could work. No more than that considering Giannis window Is a 2 years One (After that he has a player option and his salary request, aka max deal, could already exceed by far his actua
l value...)

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

A package of Vassell, Johnson and Sochan plus 14 and 38 could work.

It could work but for Lillard, not Giannis.

If Giannis is traded it'll be for the full package - 4 firsts, 3 swaps, young players.

[bigzak25]

If Milwaukee sell Giannis Is because they decide tò rebuilding...wich means you dont need a superstar but young players and draft picks. Next moves would be selling Lillard and Lopez. Giannis Is already over 30yo so and intelligent FO could see this as the fight moment tò rebuild. A package of Vassell, Johnson and Sochan plus 14 and 38 could work. No more than that considering Giannis window Is a 2 years One (After that he has a player option and his salary request, aka max deal, could already exceed by far his actua
l value...)

Awesome man!

[bigzak25]

It could work but for Lillard, not Giannis.

If Giannis is traded it'll be for the full package - 4 firsts, 3 swaps, young players.

As long as we keep Wemby, Fox, and Castle.

[Poolboy5623]

Now the Spurs are getting Giannis w/o giving up Castle?? Alrighty then!

[bigzak25]

Now the Spurs are getting Giannis w/o giving up Castle?? Alrighty then!

Can you imagine the squad though.

Fox, Castle, Wemby, Giannis.

Would need a SF. Man, if we could keep Sochan too we're set.

Best Team in the League after the Spurs rebuild the bench.

[spurraider21]

Can you imagine the squad though.

Fox, Castle, Wemby, Giannis.

Would need a SF. Man, if we could keep Sochan too we're set.

Best Team in the League after the Spurs rebuild the bench.
at that point you definitely need to trade Castle tbh

[Leetonidas]

There is no universe where the Bucks trade Giannis to SA without giving Castle in exchange


...unless in that universe Nico Harrison is their GM

[Obstructed_View]

Thanks for the kudos Sir. I guess I'll just have to dream. I'm hungry for a Championship.

Who is the best realistic big man in FA or draft that Our Spurs can target so Wemby doesn't have to shoulder the load alone any more?
Now on that we are in agreement. I think the Spurs should play Victor at the four, or even the three at times to keep him from getting beat up unnecessarily. I loved when he started shooting threes. The Spurs need a mad scientist coach to design an offense around Victor, because there has never been a player like him.

Steven Adams was always who I thought would be perfect alongside Vic, but obviously his contract was a deal killer.

[Dex]

As long as we're dreaming, we might as well put Tim Duncan and Michael Jordan in a time-machine and bring them in too...on vet min contracts, for salary cap purposes of course

[Knoxxx]

Can’t Giannis demand a trade to SA and force MIL to take a discount, similar to what Fox did?

[mo7888]

Can’t Giannis demand a trade to SA and force MIL to take a discount, similar to what Fox did?

I doubt it would be a steep discount, but he could apply significant leverage to get here if he wanted.

[Knoxxx]

I doubt it would be a steep discount, but he could apply significant leverage to get here if he wanted.

It just naturally came to mind when I saw a silly offer like our more popular roster dumps and number 14 pick vs a mortgage the future idea like 4 FRPs and 3 swaps. Something more in the middle seems more plausible. It does seem like if there ever was a prime time to acquire a disgruntled Giannis it would be after getting bounced out of the playoffs in the first round by a middling playoff team like IND.

[mo7888]

It just naturally came to mind when I saw a silly offer like our more popular roster dumps and number 14 pick vs a mortgage the future idea like 4 FRPs and 3 swaps. Something more in the middle seems more plausible. It does seem like if there ever was a prime time to acquire a disgruntled Giannis it would be after getting bounced out of the playoffs in the first round by a middling playoff team like IND.

I think that makes sense..

[RC_Drunkford]

Can you imagine the squad though.

Fox, Castle, Wemby, Giannis.

Would need a SF. Man, if we could keep Sochan too we're set.

Best Team in the League after the Spurs rebuild the bench.

yeah man, we should just try to trade for Jason Tatum. Branham and 2 second rounders are gonna get it done. Then trade Popovich's corpse to Miami for Spoelstra and we gonna threepeat :lobt2:

Then in 2027 when Jokic's contract runs out, sign him in FA as back up center. Imagine that.

[bigzak25]

yeah man, we should just try to trade for Jason Tatum. Branham and 2 second rounders are gonna get it done. Then trade Popovich's corpse to Miami for Spoelstra and we gonna threepeat :lobt2:

Then in 2027 when Jokic's contract runs out, sign him in FA as back up center. Imagine that.

You put the drunk in drunkford.

[Extra Stout]

We should trade the farm, but not Wemby, Fox, or Castle. So basically the land, livestock, buildings, and equipment are off the table. When we say trade the farm, we mean the farmer’s straw hat and a spare pair of overalls.

[bigzak25]

We should trade the farm, but not Wemby, Fox, or Castle. So basically the land, livestock, buildings, and equipment are off the table. When we say trade the farm, we mean the farmer’s straw hat and a spare pair of overalls.

Cmon stout you know what I mean. Any player and draft capital needed to get the job done. Short of the aforementioned.

Maybe I'll reach out to Giannis and Wemby on Twitter to get them talking so Giannis can see the light and force his way to the Spurs.

But you guys are gonna owe me for this...lol

[bigzak25]

Well this just happened. Not sure if it helps us or not, but teams are indicating that Giannis would seek to jump ship.

Milwaukee Bucks give general manager Jon Horst a contract extension. The Milwaukee Bucks have extended the contract of general manager Jon Horst, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has learned, a transaction consummated April 24. Horst had one year left on an extension signed in October 2021.

[RC_Drunkford]

You put the drunk in drunkford.

that was about as realistic as your Giannis to the Spurs trade proposal tbh

[Atl Spur]

No one thought we would get fox without adding castle so chill…. Let this man live! Probable? No Possible? Sure; bringing in a third or fourth team may be necessary.

[bigzak25]

See the Coach thread. Hire Coach Bud. Giannis is loyal to his championship Coach. Giannis forces trade to Spurs. It's a done deal. Spurs just gotta hire him now.

[mo7888]

See the Coach thread. Hire Coach Bud. Giannis is loyal to his championship Coach. Giannis forces trade to Spurs. It's a done deal. Spurs just gotta hire him now.

I'd be good with Bud, but didn't he any Giannis split because Giannis wanted him gone?

[mo7888]

No one thought we would get fox without adding castle so chill…. Let this man live! Probable? No Possible? Sure; bringing in a third or fourth team may be necessary.

Most of us thought Castle wouldn't be part of the Fox deal.

[bigzak25]

I'd be good with Bud, but didn't he any Giannis split because Giannis wanted him gone?

Hmmm...you may know more than I on that...I don't know.

[Frenchfred]

I like Giannis but he is going to be 31, he cannot shoot a three, will renegotiate a max contract in two years at the same time we'll sign Wemby to a max contract plus Fox's max contract leaving no room for Castle the following year and by giving all our draft picks we won't be able to sign cheap contracts. The Spurs have their 3 star players: Wemby, Fox and Castle; they need to surround them with role players who can rebound and shoot the 3

[Raven]

Can you imagine the squad though.

Fox, Castle, Wemby, Giannis.

Would need a SF. Man, if we could keep Sochan too we're set.

Best Team in the League after the Spurs rebuild the bench.

i feel like it would flop quite hard tbh. would be iso empire

[ismael-robert]

Right, this would leave us with no bench so like everyone said dumb thread is dumb

[Atl Spur]

Most of us thought Castle wouldn't be part of the Fox deal.

Oh ok…… cool! Hopefully you get the gist.

[bigzak25]

Right, this would leave us with no bench so like everyone said dumb thread is dumb

Please link to your thread with a better idea.

[ismael-robert]

Like others have said, every idea doesn't need a new thread. We have a trade thread where 100s of possibilities have been discussed, we have threads about Pop where numerous coaching ideas have been discussed...heck theres old kawhi threads too

[bigzak25]

Like others have said, every idea doesn't need a new thread. We have a trade thread where 100s of possibilities have been discussed, we have threads about Pop where numerous coaching ideas have been discussed...heck theres old kawhi threads too

It's a free country. I'm free to make threads. Your free to scroll past them or not click on them at all.

Besides, this is a message board to generate discussion and I feel I've learned alot reading my fellow Spurs fans takes, so I don't see the issue.

[bigzak25]

Okay, I've dropped the idea on Twitter to the Spurs, Giannis, Wemby, Manu, and even tagged the coyote. Lol.
The seed has been planted.

But to be safe, I'm working a Kevin Durant angle to see if he'd come to SA to get us over the top.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I'm Sac Rocha. Nice to meet you. bigzak25 on Twitter if your interested.

If not, all good.

So...any thoughts on KD coming to town?

[exstatic]

Okay, I've dropped the idea on Twitter to the Spurs, Giannis, Wemby, Manu, and even tagged the coyote. Lol.
The seed has been planted.

But to be safe, I'm working a Kevin Durant angle to see if he'd come to SA to get us over the top.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I'm Sac Rocha. Nice to meet you. bigzak25 on Twitter if your interested.

If not, all good.

So...any thoughts on KD coming to town?

You can’t have KD and Bud.

[bigzak25]

You can’t have KD and Bud.

Did they have a falling out? I'm sorry, I'm not in the know...

[exstatic]

Did they have a falling out? I'm sorry, I'm not in the know...

Yup.

[mo7888]

Did they have a falling out? I'm sorry, I'm not in the know...

I haven't seen any real evidence of that. They had one small argument of the sidelines that lasted for only a few seconds and Durant addressed it by essentially saying "they both care about doing things the right way and that there was no rift between them". There's no way to know if there's anything beyond that from what I've seen. Maybe others have seen something else. Ex seems to think there's more to it, but I haven't seen evidence of that.

[bigzak25]

I haven't seen any real evidence of that. They had one small argument of the sidelines that lasted for only a few seconds and Durant addressed it by essentially saying "they both care about doing things the right way and that there was no rift between them". There's no way to know if there's anything beyond that from what I've seen. Maybe others have seen something else. Ex seems to think there's more to it, but I haven't seen evidence of that.

So you're saying there's a chance...haha...KD to SA!

[ambchang]

Not overly hot on the idea of having another star on the team. Wemby fox and castle is good on paper. I don’t mind having a Jokic on the team by getting fox or castle out but that will never happen. Other than that can’t think of any other superstar the spurs would be better off of.

What the spurs need are good role players, 3D and rim runners. Connecting guys who know how to play. It’s tough to have a team with 3 near max guys, let alone 4. The way to do it is 1 super max, 1 max, 2 $22-$25M guys and a bunch of $10 to $15m guys.

Of course. Also need a system to run that play.

Wemby is that super max guy. Fox is our max guy. Castle should be one of those $22-$25 guys. Which is why Vassell should be out. He’s not in that range. I’d be happy if he’s on a $15m per contract being instant offence off the bench (or eventually be that), but not at $27M. KJ at $18M is a stretch. Sochan if we can get him for $12 to $15m could be workable. Mamu, Wesley can be one of those $5m guys. Barnes is another $15m per level player. At $18m it’s not ridiculous. M
Hopefully we can find that fourth $22-$25m guy in the draft.

Ironically I’m looking at the nuggets rather than the thunder as the blueprint. Problem is that they overpaid their $22-$25m guys (Gordon and MPJ) and their other max guy is not really a max guy, inconsistent and injury prone (Murray), which means they don’t have room to get those $10-$15m guys.

[ismael-robert]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304871&goto=newpost
Multiple pages on Durant, do you even read the forum
The thing is all your ideas have been discussed. Nothing new has been presented

[bigzak25]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304871&goto=newpost
Multiple pages on Durant, do you even read the forum
The thing is all your ideas have been discussed. Nothing new has been presented

So why are you here in this thread? Just to piss and moan?

Bump your thread. I'll take a look.

[Obstructed_View]

At some point, you don't need a roster full of max superstars. There is only one basketball. Title teams are built with great role players more than with superstars, and Spurs title teams were made up of stars willing to be role players.

Scorers are shiny objects for idiot teams. That's why you trade Vassell and Keldon now. Find or develop guys with good basketball IQ who want to win and surround Vic and Fox with them.

[bigzak25]

At some point, you don't need a roster full of max superstars. There is only one basketball. Title teams are built with great role players more than with superstars, and Spurs title teams were made up of stars willing to be role players.

Scorers are shiny objects for idiot teams. That's why you trade Vassell and Keldon now. Find or develop guys with good basketball IQ who want to win and surround Vic and Fox with them.


Good points Sir. Can't have a roster of max Superstars. But maybe they'll come together as a team and be willing to accept less than max to keep the Championship parties going. I'd take less money for multiple Championships.

[Obstructed_View]

Good points Sir. Can't have a roster of max Superstars. But maybe they'll come together as a team and be willing to accept less than max to keep the Championship parties going. I'd take less money for multiple Championships.

You and I would. We lived in an era where Timmy, Manu and TP did. Wouldn't count on it.

[Gibbz]

Sign me up!

[ginobilized]

My hope is that the draft and/or trades will loosen the grip on some decent PF and C types and we might grab someone that way vs going hard after KD, Giannis, etc.
If Utah gets Flagg, Markannen or Collins might be more expendable, for instance. If KD or Giannis go elsewhere there might be some decent players available.

[Gibbz]

Giannis is probably actually being traded this offseason. Dame just tore his Achilles.

[CGD]

Giannis is probably actually being traded this offseason. Dame just tore his Achilles.

Houston’s got the goods to make it happen. That would be a scary team if they manage to keep Thompson, JSJ and Eason, while bringing in a solid PG vet.

[Chillen]

Giannis and Wemby that feels like Robinson and Duncan all over again in a way. I would rather Spurs go hard after Giannis than KD.

[eric365]

Giannis is great and would offer high chances of championships but i’d rather build slowly for a very long run

[montgod]

Giannis is great and would offer high chances of championships but i’d rather build slowly for a very long run

Yeah I'm on the fence. Giannis would be a phenomenal addition and put Spurs in clear ring territory next year. However, the haul to get him as well as match that 55m salary (following years, 58m, 62m) would be a lot. Make you wonder who'd be left on the team outside of Wemby and Fox :greedy. No way they wouldn't try to get Castle.

[lefty]

Wemby+picks for Giannis



Dewit, Nico Wright

[RC_Drunkford]

There‘s like 10 NBA teams that can offer better packages for Giannis than the Spurs and that includes OKC and Houston

[exstatic]

Freak makes our spacing issues worse than they already are.

[itzsoweezee]

I predicted this shit exactly

[rjv]

i agree with anyone who posted that giannis would be way too expensive and/or not a good fit with Wemby.

[Mugen]

OKC has the assets tbh. If Giannis asks out, I'd be shocked if he didn't end up there.

[Ice009]

I know the fit wouldn't be great, but why would it be terrible? Giannis can play more on the inside and Victor can play more on the perimeter. You can then try and add as many 3&D players as you can around them.

[scott]

Giannis isn’t coming here, but he is likely coming to the West and making it it even more competitive while we spend another year of “seeing what we have” with the Power of Friendship.

[Mal]

OKC has the assets tbh. If Giannis asks out, I'd be shocked if he didn't end up there.

If I would be OKC, I would do everything to somehow keep J-Dub, SGA and Chet on slight discount, rather then sell everything and more for Giannis.They are the best team, young. They dont need Giannis

[Extra Stout]

Houston has three teams’ worth of draft picks, young developing prospects, and needs a real star player.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Freak makes our spacing issues worse than they already are.

This!

There is no way Spurs will trade for this guy!

Plus, he is past his prime. Will slow down and have injuries pretty soon.

No Durant either.

Spurs will choose the safe way.

We're a young and rapidly rising team. No need to take risks.

[Spurminator]

The Mavs offered Luka for Giannis and Milwaukee declined. Probably because they had their sights set on Keldon and Vassell.

[Raven]

Castle+Barnes+Keldon + 4 first round picks, sounds good to me.

[Dverde]

I could see Memphis going after Giannis trying to build Ja, Greek, and JJJ as a big three. I don’t see the Spurs winning the sweepstakes, I only hope he stays in the east.

[bigzak25]

Freak makes our spacing issues worse than they already are.

You are the Debbie downer of the forum Ex... ha

[bigzak25]

This!

There is no way Spurs will trade for this guy!

Plus, he is past his prime. Will slow down and have injuries pretty soon.

No Durant either.

Spurs will choose the safe way.

We're a young and rapidly rising team. No need to take risks.

Way past his prime at 30? Lol.

Tim is in his late 40s and I bet he could still tear up the league with some conditioning...

[bigzak25]

I could see Memphis going after Giannis trying to build Ja, Greek, and JJJ as a big three. I don’t see the Spurs winning the sweepstakes, I only hope he stays in the east.

Not a sweepstakes. If Giannis wants to come here to play with Wemby and the crew, he will.

[bigzak25]

Castle+Barnes+Keldon + 4 first round picks, sounds good to me.

Castle is a Spur for life.

[exstatic]

You are the Debbie downer of the forum Ex... ha

I’ve been accused of the opposite, but never this.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I’ve been accused of the opposite, but never this.

Yep. 95% of ST are Debbie Downers and worse.

Ex ain't one.

[R. DeMurre]

Boston went from Isaiah Thomas to Kyrie Irving to Kemba Walker to Marcus Smart and Dennis Schroder before finally landing on the back court of Derrick White and Jrue Holiday that won them a championship. I think people are jumping the gun here a little assuming Fox is without question the PG who will win a title beside Wemby. He's a better-than-average player, no question, but he's also an attractive trade asset in the event of a more generally impactful player (or players) becoming available. I do not view him as untradeable at all. And in this era, impact players like White and Jrue-- who don't demand Max contracts-- might be more valuable than guys like Fox who do.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Castle is a Spur for life.

This!

[Atl Spur]

Some of you need to familiarize yourselves with contracts & outstanding money. Dev+keldon+ Sochan this years two lottery picks + 2 future 1st is a nice enough package I’m thinking.

[ChumpDumper]

Well the speculation has started anyway:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/giannis-antetokounmpo-to-the-spurs-a-bucks-blockbuster-that-would-shake-up-the-nba-164809665.html

I agree the spacing would suck if the Spurs didn't pick up any more shooters -- but they're easier to find than a Giannis. If you're going to have one shitty shooter out there, that's the guy.

And I don't even like him.

Or think the Spurs could win a bidding war.

But there's no reason to sour grape this already. Due diligence would be...due...if he wants out and the Spurs don't win the lottery.

[thOOdee]

Man, not sure how you would get a giannis/wemby machine smoothly running, but definitely malpractice if the spurs don't take the chance if it's there (assuming wemby is on board). Who plays the 4? Does giannis play center? would wemby play more 3 position? Would also need a smart coach who thinks well outside the box.

1 cp3
2 fox
3. castle
4. wemby
5. giannis

Man, that lineup could go either horribly bad, or scary good.

[BacktoBasics]

Some of you need to familiarize yourselves with contracts & outstanding money. Dev+keldon+ Sochan this years two lottery picks + 2 future 1st is a nice enough package I’m thinking.

That's more than enough. I can't say I would be super thrilled but I guess its a move that would make a ton of sense. 4 pics and 3 assets is a lot. Especially considering what we gave up for Fox. Seems would could really round a roster out with that much trade equity vs. 1 star player. However it is Giannis so...

[spurraider21]

as was the case with durant, houston is best positioned here as well. they have a number of young, talented players, and good draft capital to work with. nets dont have good young players to add. Cam Johnson is not the type of guy a rebuilding bucks team would care for.

i only think nets have a chance if they get a top 2 pick in the lotto. even think i think you'd rather have flagg than giannis right now if you are brooklyn. if they get #2 and have harper's rights, then it gets interesting.

[scott]

I don’t know how it would work, and I’m not going to spend the time to strategize on how to make it happen… but I say DEN should try to remedy the fact they and MIL only managed to each get 1 title out of their respective Top 3 players by combining them together.

[thOOdee]

as was the case with durant, houston is best positioned here as well. they have a number of young, talented players, and good draft capital to work with. nets dont have good young players to add. Cam Johnson is not the type of guy a rebuilding bucks team would care for.

i only think nets have a chance if they get a top 2 pick in the lotto. even think i think you'd rather have flagg than giannis right now if you are brooklyn. if they get #2 and have harper's rights, then it gets interesting.

This also makes the Durant situation a little more interesting.

[LeBowen]

I don’t know how it would work, and I’m not going to spend the time to strategize on how to make it happen… but I say DEN should try to remedy the fact they and MIL only managed to each get 1 title out of their respective Top 3 players by combining them together.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBkT5oLtFy4

[spursistan]

I don’t know how it would work, and I’m not going to spend the time to strategize on how to make it happen… but I say DEN should try to remedy the fact they and MIL only managed to each get 1 title out of their respective Top 3 players by combining them together.
Not only that; they have only each made the Finals once (the time they won) and have only one extra trip to the Conference Finals (Bucks in 2019; Nuggets in 2020). Just staggering level of underachievement for the two franchises that have had 5 of last 6 MVP winners on their respective rosters

[BatManu20]

Spurs have repeatedly said they're going to be patient and build this team the right way. Don't see them selling the farm for Giannis, which would undoubtedly include Castle. Rockets are the most likely, or OKC if they don't ring.

[exstatic]

If you want to see Castle completely stagnate and fail to develop, put him 4th in line behind Wemby, Giannis, and Fox for touches and shots.

[spursistan]

Spurs have repeatedly said they're going to be patient and build this team the right way. Don't see them selling the farm for Giannis, which would undoubtedly include Castle. Rockets are the most likely, or OKC if they don't ring.
Yeah, Rockets have the right combo of young player(s)+ draft capital. Nets lack the former. That and the opportunity to send him out West along with him and Hakeem sharing the Nigerian heritage..It's all nicely is lining up for Houston to go hard after him this offseason once this Warriors series exposes their total lack of a franchise, go-to guy..

[scott]

If you want to see Castle completely stagnate and fail to develop, put him 4th in line behind Wemby, Giannis, and Fox for touches and shots.

Yeah this is why I wouldn’t worry too much about losing Castle in these fantasy Giannis/Durant scenarios. If we acquire one of those guys, Castle is going to stagnate anyway… might as well trade him at that point. (Also, for the record, I’m not a proponent of further star hunting. Let’s build around Wemby/Fox/Castle with some real role players)

[Ice009]

Houston has a got a real shot (I'm sure they'd much rather use those assets on Giannis instead of Durant if Antetokunmpo is available and go for Giannis instead).

I also think the Nets could jump in there if they get the number 2 pick. Not sure if they'd want to give up the number 1 pick, though?

[LeBowen]

I'd never give up Castle for a one or two year help like KD, but I don't see how we trade for Giannis without Castle going the other way.
The same applies for any other team if Giannis actually gets traded.
Amen, one of Williams/Chet would definitely be gone.

[KobesAchilles]

Imagine having the possibility of getting Giannis and then having fans complain about losing Castle :lol

[Mal]

Amen

Jalen Green, one of Sheppard/Jabari Smith + 3x SRP (swaps) should do it, if Giannis demands trade

[LeBowen]

Jalen Green, one of Sheppard/Jabari Smith + 3x SRP (swaps) should do it, if Giannis demands trade

That's Rockets fanfiction.
Green is a tank commanxer and Sheppard isn't good.
Giannis the second best player in the league in his prime.
A young player with all-star potential has to be included.

[Mal]

That's Rockets fanfiction.
Green is a tank commanxer and Sheppard isn't good.
Giannis the second best player in the league in his prime.
A young player with all-star potential has to be included.

I am looking at Bucks situation. There are fucked, Giannis is good enough to take Kuzma, Portis and 50 yrs old Brook Lopez into playins next two years - one without Lillard and 2nd with Lillards corpses. And then he has player option, which he will decline to sign his last big deal at age 33.
Bucks cant tank, because NOP has their swap.

Rockets offer will be the best one out there, even without Amen. Jalen Green has to be included for cap reasons. Jalen Green + Amen would be deal breaker for Rockets. Houston has tons of picks/swaps in the next years - Bucks will be getting a haul.

[LeBowen]

I am looking at Bucks situation. There are fucked, Giannis is good enough to take Kuzma, Portis and 50 yrs old Brook Lopez into playins next two years - one without Lillard and 2nd with Lillards corpses. And then he has player option, which he will decline to sign his last big deal at age 33.
Bucks cant tank, because NOP has their swap.

Rockets offer will be the best one out there, even without Amen. Jalen Green has to be included for cap reasons. Jalen Green + Amen would be deal breaker for Rockets. Houston has tons of picks/swaps in the next years - Bucks will be getting a haul.

Bucks aren't fucked until Giannis asks out, if he even does.
Picks are a gamble, not enough guaranteed value for a player of Giannis level.

[024]

Crazy to think OKC are the favorites to win the West, will have the league's MVP, and still have enough assets to add a top 5 player.

[Mal]

Bucks aren't fucked until Giannis asks out, if he even does.
Picks are a gamble, not enough guaranteed value for a player of Giannis level.

But still two years on mediocrity and then pay him 300mil/5 a age 33 for another years of mediocrity. Whats the alternative? Dilute Lillard`s player option for more years at lower salary at age 38 after achilles tear and blood clots ? They have no cap space, no talent, not enough picks to go after any potential superstar trade

[poopbox]

Crazy to think OKC are the favorites to win the West, will have the league's MVP, and still have enough assets to add a top 5 player.

They don't have the money. They'd have to move off from one of SGA, Williams, or Chet to get Giannis.

Part of why the second apron was created was to keep trades like this from happening.

[LeBowen]

But still two years on mediocrity and then pay him 300mil/5 a age 33 for another years of mediocrity. Whats the alternative? Dilute Lillard`s player option for more years at lower salary at age 38 after achilles tear and blood clots ? They have no cap space, no talent, not enough picks to go after any potential superstar trade

They have enough talent to make the playoffs as a mostly irrelevant franchise. That's goo enough for them.
We just have to wait and see if it's enough for Giannis.

[Dex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBkT5oLtFy4

I miss GoZ so much...they need to run it back. Imagine all of the material they would have

[TD 21]

Yeah, Rockets have the right combo of young player(s)+ draft capital. Nets lack the former. That and the opportunity to send him out West along with him and Hakeem sharing the Nigerian heritage..It's all nicely is lining up for Houston to go hard after him this offseason once this Warriors series exposes their total lack of a franchise, go-to guy..

Exactly.

Maybe I'm off my rocker, but I don't think the Spurs should or will pursue him to the fullest extent or that he'd want to come here.

He's 30 and plays a style where his decline, which has begun (still a top 3-4 player), should be more precipitous and steeper than the average MVP caliber player and since he can't space the floor and is too great to settle for being a rim running vertical spacer, he has to remain the offensive centerpiece.

Wembanyama is obviously too great a talent to reduce to merely being a souped up version of Lopez and though they're both skilled enough to work either end of the p-n-r some, neither is a primary ball handler.

I see him wanting a situation where he can maintain being the clear cut best player, not contribute to furthering the "legacy" of a fellow big with the potential to usurp him in the GOAT ranking.

[Sugus]

Hard pass on Giannis this summer.

The Spurs' current overall roster is nowhere near the kind of depth and roundness that would justify such a costly move; and they don't have the luxury of existing in LA or Miami to benefit from the "oh we'll just flesh out the roster with FAs and ring-chasing roleplayers" pull like the big markets.

Milwaukee will and should be asking for a king's ransom to move Giannis, and we would be fools to pay that toll. Leave that to some other desperate, short-sighted team.

Besides, the spacing with a Fox-Castle-?-Giannis-Wemby is unplayable anyways. It ain't 1999 anymore.

[Guru of Nothing]

Castle is my favorite Spur, but yeah, he's 100% gone if we get Giannis. If I'm Milwaukee there is no deal without Castle involved, none. This is going to suck for Buck fans, but there is a sliver of a silver lining getting back the rookie of the year, AND they can point to SGA from the Clippers deal and place some cope there too.

And no way does Houston not blow our offer away.

[rankingtear]

Should just build a team around Wemby this super team thing is for big markets.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Giannis is Top 3 and trading him to Houston for a bunch of picks plus probably Green, Whitmore and Sheppard is going to close that window super quick. Hopefully they do it. In my opinion the player I like is Jaren Jackson Jr.

[rankingtear]

If he goes BKN this would kill the possibility of Naz or Cam on our team.

[Atl Spur]

Depending on how our lotto picks fall; it will determine our buying power & leverage. We don’t need anymore young inexperienced players, get Giannis ( top 5 player / nba champ ) for the next three years at a decent price when you subtract our outgoing contracts in my proposal. We will only have him and Wemby on expensive contracts in year three. Gobert, Hartenstein, and Allen are non three point shooters that start for some of the leagues best teams; none are near as good as freak! So a fox, castle, Barnes , freak, alien would be sick!

[Atl Spur]

….and fox��

[Obstructed_View]

Guess I owe OP a bit of an apology. I didn't figure this was possible.

That said, it isn't realistic, IMHO. I don't think the Spurs can trade for him without giving up an asset we don't want to part with.

[Atl Spur]

Damn Rudy……

[bigzak25]

I’ve been accused of the opposite, but never this.

Maybe I just don't know the true Ex. I bet you're a pretty stand up dude.

[bigzak25]

Some of you need to familiarize yourselves with contracts & outstanding money. Dev+keldon+ Sochan this years two lottery picks + 2 future 1st is a nice enough package I’m thinking.
Is steep, but worth it imo. Would like to keep Sochan though...

[bigzak25]

Guess I owe OP a bit of an apology. I didn't figure this was possible.

That said, it isn't realistic, IMHO. I don't think the Spurs can trade for him without giving up an asset we don't want to part with.

All good bro. Yeah man, it's a discussion board so people are gonna have different opinions. That's what makes this fun and interesting. My posts are not gospel. Just what I'm thinking. And I like to think big. In it to win Championships after all. :toast

[rankingtear]

Can't imagine any package working for MIL unless it involves their picks back.

[exstatic]

Can't imagine any package working for MIL unless it involves their picks back.

Houston’s package of the Suns picks will be pretty good. Milwaukee’s picks seem kind of scattered to the winds, traded elsewhere or swaps tangled with three or more teams.

[cutewizard]

Let's admit it

Wemby and Giannis is tantalizing

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/6J-ecclZSyc?si=bwBDNhn0ZU54LuPF

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/UAEn0lNBgeQ?si=QGPEM5_QsvEgBVdr

[scott]

My top secret inside sources tell me that Giannis is all but a done deal. Giannis has had a strong interest in coming to San Antonio but has beef with Popovich because Pop once said Greek Wine is shit (which it probably is, I can’t confirm).

Giannis is willing to publicly state he will only go to San Antonio to put pressure on MIL, but Pop stepping down at HC was a pre-requisite because of their long standing feud.

My inside source tells me it’s a package centered around Sochan, Branham and some SRPs for Giannis.

[Mal]

My top secret inside sources tell me that Giannis is all but a done deal. Giannis has had a strong interest in coming to San Antonio but has beef with Popovich because Pop once said Greek Wine is shit (which it probably is, I can’t confirm).

Giannis is willing to publicly state he will only go to San Antonio to put pressure on MIL, but Pop stepping down at HC was a pre-requisite because of their long standing feud.

My inside source tells me it’s a package centered around Sochan, Branham and some SRPs for Giannis.

Also Spurs did not hire coach Bud :wow

[scott]

Also Spurs did not hire coach Bud :wow


My source says the deal is off with the hiring to Mitch. Giannis saw that and said “fuck it, I’d rather be stuck with Doc”

[Mal]

My source says the deal is off with the hiring to Mitch. Giannis saw that and said “fuck it, I’d rather be stuck with Doc”

Well shit, I thought they talked to Giannis about Bud, and that's why Bud wasnt hired.

[r0drig0lac]

Imagine having the possibility of getting Giannis and then having fans complain about losing Castle :lol

unbelievable :lol

[T Park]

The Spurs don't have enough to give up for him. Like Ambchang said, unless he demands to come to SA, and SA only, no chance of getting him without giving up Castle and a horde of draft picks which I don't think I'd want to deplete all the draft assets. Not sure about what other people here think about giving up tons of draft picks for him.


Giving up lottery tickets for a top 3 player in the league?


Uh yes, this is why you build up the assets, to acquire someone like him.


It’s a no brainer. You do whatever you can. Only untouchables are Wemby castle

[Thomas82]

Then there's no point discussing it because there's no world where they would trade him here with Castle being part of the deal.

We would probably have to get a 3rd team involved for the type of package they would want.

[CGD]

My top secret inside sources tell me that Giannis is all but a done deal. Giannis has had a strong interest in coming to San Antonio but has beef with Popovich because Pop once said Greek Wine is shit (which it probably is, I can’t confirm).

Giannis is willing to publicly state he will only go to San Antonio to put pressure on MIL, but Pop stepping down at HC was a pre-requisite because of their long standing feud.

My inside source tells me it’s a package centered around Sochan, Branham and some SRPs for Giannis.

How many SRP, though? Sounds steep

[CGD]

https://youtu.be/UAEn0lNBgeQ?si=QGPEM5_QsvEgBVdr

That’s an interesting 3 way with NOLA and MIL featuring Zion to MIL. Plus I think the Spurs had basically sent Keldon to New Orleans before DJ got hurt, so there is some working relationship there. Hmm… 🤔

[CGD]

That’s an interesting 3 way with NOLA and MIL featuring Zion to MIL. Plus I think the Spurs had basically sent Keldon to New Orleans before DJ got hurt, so there is some working relationship there. Hmm… 🤔

And there is a very similar three way framework but with ATL (Trae) instead of NOLA (Zion). Atlanta maybe motivated to get their 2027 pick back, etc.

[spursistan]

Exactly.

Maybe I'm off my rocker, but I don't think the Spurs should or will pursue him to the fullest extent or that he'd want to come here.

He's 30 and plays a style where his decline, which has begun (still a top 3-4 player), should be more precipitous and steeper than the average MVP caliber player and since he can't space the floor and is too great to settle for being a rim running vertical spacer, he has to remain the offensive centerpiece.

Wembanyama is obviously too great a talent to reduce to merely being a souped up version of Lopez and though they're both skilled enough to work either end of the p-n-r some, neither is a primary ball handler.

I see him wanting a situation where he can maintain being the clear cut best player, not contribute to furthering the "legacy" of a fellow big with the potential to usurp him in the GOAT ranking.
Agreed on that. And not to mention these in-prime superstar player movement rarely, if ever, go the small market-to-small market route. Those players are not uprooting their families/camps from Milwaukee to Oklahoma or San Antonio. It would be more palatable for the 28 year-old fashionista wife do it if she is relocating to NY/Miami. I think Giannis will dictate where he goes even if it results in less than optimal package for the Bucks. As someone said above, this has certainly reached the Wolves/Garnett stage where it is best for both sides to move on. I would be surprised if he doesn't ask out this summer.

[mo7888]

Agreed on that. And not to mention these in-prime superstar player movement rarely, if ever, go the small market-to-small market route. Those players are not uprooting their families/camps from Milwaukee to Oklahoma or San Antonio. It would be more palatable for the 28 year-old fashionista wife do it if she is relocating to NY/Miami. I think Giannis will dictate where he goes even if it results in less than optimal package for the Bucks. As someone said above, this has certainly reached the Wolves/Garnett stage where it is best for both sides to move on. I would be surprised if he doesn't ask out this summer.

Jake Fischer has recently said we have interest in KD and Giannis. What would the packages look like for either guy? Giannis is obviously the better player right now, but KD should cost less and he's a good fit with his shooting.

[Ice009]

Jake Fischer has recently said we have interest in KD and Durant. What would the packages look like for either guy? Giannis is obviously the better player right now, but KD should cost less and he's a good fit with his shooting.

KD and who? You had a typo there. Who is the other player that Fischer said the Spurs are interested in?

I'm kind of interested in AD if it wasn't for his injury history and lack of availability, he's someone I've been interested in trying to get for a while. However, he's getting up there in age and I don't think I'd want to pay what the Mavericks would be looking for to get him. Probably better to go for Lively or someone else instead.

[Chillen]

I think Giannis is going to cost the Spurs to much and Durant might be a better option next to Wemby and Fox. Of course if Giannis asks out you explore it he is a great player but so is KD. Suns are basically going to want a good young player and a boatload of picks for Durant. Giannis would likely cost us Castle and a ton of depth and picks.

[Ice009]

I think Giannis is going to cost the Spurs to much and Durant might be a better option next to Wemby and Fox. Of course if Giannis asks out you explore it he is a great player but so is KD. Suns are basically going to want a good young player and a boatload of picks for Durant. Giannis would likely cost us Castle and a ton of depth and picks.

I'm ignoring the fit on offense a little when looking at Giannis (if he becomes available), but more looking at defense. What do you guys think the defensive potential would be like with both Victor and Giannis? You think that could offset the offense probably not being smooth with the two of them (unless they can get some good 3 & D guys)?

[mo7888]

KD and who? You had a typo there. Who is the other player that Fischer said the Spurs are interested in?

I'm kind of interested in AD if it wasn't for his injury history and lack of availability, he's someone I've been interested in trying to get for a while. However, he's getting up there in age and I don't think I'd want to pay what the Mavericks would be looking for to get him. Probably better to go for Lively or someone else instead.

Thank you. I'll go correct that... KD and Giannis

[mo7888]

I think Giannis is going to cost the Spurs to much and Durant might be a better option next to Wemby and Fox. Of course if Giannis asks out you explore it he is a great player but so is KD. Suns are basically going to want a good young player and a boatload of picks for Durant. Giannis would likely cost us Castle and a ton of depth and picks.

I really don't think anyone is going to give Phoenix a 'boatload' of picks for KD anymore and they're already committed to moving him.

[RC_Drunkford]

We‘re not getting any of them. Our major signing will be Mason Plumlee

[mo7888]

We‘re not getting any of them. Our major signing will be Mason Plumlee

That could be, but if I remember correctly, Jake has a pretty good track record re: Spurs moves.

[CGD]

Jake Fischer has recently said we have interest in KD and Giannis. What would the packages look like for either guy? Giannis is obviously the better player right now, but KD should cost less and he's a good fit with his shooting.

The gossip girls speculate that MIL would demand their picks back from NOP, so some are speculating on a three way deal featuring Zion to MIL. Setting aside the thorny picks convo, this framework for a draft day deal works on the numbers:

SAS: Giannis; Kuzma’s contract
MIL: Zion; Devin
NOP: Keldon; Barnes’ contract

In this scenario I would assume, at a minimum, that we’d send our best 25FRP to NOP, our other to 25FRP to MIL, and NOP would send MIL at least one of their FRPs back.

[Ice009]

The gossip girls speculate that MIL would demand their picks back from NOP, so some are speculating on a three way deal featuring Zion to MIL. Setting aside the thorny picks convo, this framework for a draft day deal works on the numbers:

SAS: Giannis; Kuzma’s contract
MIL: Zion; Devin
NOP: Keldon; Barnes’ contract

In this scenario I would assume, at a minimum, that we’d send our best 25FRP to NOP, our other to 25FRP to MIL, and NOP would send MIL at least one of their FRPs back.

Would you trade the 2025 first rounds picks without first seeing where they land in the lottery? Like, I assume they hold more value before knowing where the pick ends up (unless the Spurs 2025 pick ends up number 1, then I guess that value goes way, way up, but then would you trade it?).
If a trade were to be done beforehand, I'd hold onto the 2025 pick and include a different/future first round pick. I'm still wanting to take the chance that we could get lucky in the lottery, but it's probably best to trade it before seeing the result (probably holds more value overall that way).

[Russ]

Giannis would probably eat Mitch Johnson for breakfast (just ask Bud).

Doubtful that acquisition would happen.

[mo7888]

The gossip girls speculate that MIL would demand their picks back from NOP, so some are speculating on a three way deal featuring Zion to MIL. Setting aside the thorny picks convo, this framework for a draft day deal works on the numbers:

SAS: Giannis; Kuzma’s contract
MIL: Zion; Devin
NOP: Keldon; Barnes’ contract

In this scenario I would assume, at a minimum, that we’d send our best 25FRP to NOP, our other to 25FRP to MIL, and NOP would send MIL at least one of their FRPs back.

I'd do that. I'd try to include Sochan instead of one of our picks, but I'd do it regardless.

[CGD]

I'd do that. I'd try to include Sochan instead of one of our picks, but I'd do it regardless.

Im speculating on the picks, but the money works. MIL should see some value in dumping Kiz too. A couple other observations:

- HOU has a huge gap at PG and I wonder how Gannis would see that in personal evaluation of dearinations

- Wonder if MIL would even want Sengun as the centerpiece. Bc he’s a terrible fit with Giannis (and JSJ a great one), I can see HOU wanting to move him. But he’s also tricky to build around.

- we still have several NOP SRPs which could be sent back to them too

[CGD]

Giannis would probably eat Mitch Johnson for breakfast (just ask Bud).

Doubtful that acquisition would happen.

I think the spurs offer a reasonable (but not crazy) package but ultimately are outbid.

Im less concerned about the Mitch thing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Some of these Giannis trade ideas, especially in the linked video, are outrageously hilarious. He's not going to go for such low value unless he purposely tanks his value by saying he'll re-sign with only one team.

And when people include a third team in deals it gets even weirder because then they barely think about why the third team would do it in the first place.

[Chillen]

Hard to believe the Cavs, Suns, Mavs, Blazers, Magic, Thunder, Jazz, Pelicans, T-Wolves, 76ers, Wizards, Hornets, Pistons, Kings all passed on Giannis in the 2013 NBA draft.

The Suns would have won a ring if they drafted him because they still would have gotten Booker likely.

[LeBowen]

Hard to believe the Cavs, Suns, Mavs, Blazers, Magic, Thunder, Jazz, Pelicans, T-Wolves, 76ers, Wizards, Hornets, Pistons, Kings all passed on Giannis in the 2013 NBA draft.

The Suns would have won a ring if they drafted him because they still would have gotten Booker likely.

Most European players who aren't in guaranteed to be high lottery picks have agreements with teams before the draft.
Especially high risk projects like Giannis or even Jokic. It's a well-known fact Jokic had an agreement with the Nuggets, that's why noone else considered him in the second round.

And I wouldn't hold it against many teams for not taking Giannis.
He was literally malnourished with questionable basketball skills.
For example nephew's development was also ridiculous, but he had an NBA body, Spurs just worked on his skills. Giannis was a way bigger project.

There's a reason why 90% of similar low floor projects fail.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Hard to believe the Cavs, Suns, Mavs, Blazers, Magic, Thunder, Jazz, Pelicans, T-Wolves, 76ers, Wizards, Hornets, Pistons, Kings all passed on Giannis in the 2013 NBA draft.

The Suns would have won a ring if they drafted him because they still would have gotten Booker likely.

So much hindsight here.

No it's not hard to believe it. He was considered a reach where he was picked. Sengun was the MVP of a top 3 european league and he fell to a similar position, whereas Giannis had only played second division basketball in Greece as a prospect, was malnourished and was like 3 inches shorter.

[CGD]

Some of these Giannis trade ideas, especially in the linked video, are outrageously hilarious. He's not going to go for such low value unless he purposely tanks his value by saying he'll re-sign with only one team.

And when people include a third team in deals it gets even weirder because then they barely think about why the third team would do it in the first place.

It'll depend on what MIL wants: a pick heavy deal or a good player(s) with fewer picks. If the former, then they might as well send him to the Nets, if the latter it gets more interesting. I dont think its reasonable to expect that they'd land Zion/Young + a good player (Dev) AND 8 FRPs for example.

[bigzak25]

Crazy to think OKC are the favorites to win the West, will have the league's MVP, and still have enough assets to add a top 5 player.

I was wrong about Golden State winning the title this year.

Cleveland will win it. Final Answer.

[bigzak25]

Giving up lottery tickets for a top 3 player in the league?


Uh yes, this is why you build up the assets, to acquire someone like him.


It’s a no brainer. You do whatever you can. Only untouchables are Wemby castle

And Fox.

[bigzak25]

We would probably have to get a 3rd team involved for the type of package they would want.

Get phoenix involved and get Durant to the Bucks.

[bigzak25]

I really don't think anyone is going to give Phoenix a 'boatload' of picks for KD anymore and they're already committed to moving him.

I think Spurs should do what it takes to bring in BOTH KD AND GIANNIS. Giannis 1st. KD would follow. Plus KD is a Commanders fan, so I know he's a good fit.

Fox
Castle
Durant
Wemby
Giannis

Anyone beating that team? Lol.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Anyone beating that team? Lol.

Yes - the CBA.

[bigzak25]

Yes - the CBA.

Everyone will take the same salary to stay in the long run. Wemby will get Max of course though.

[mo7888]

I think Spurs should do what it takes to bring in BOTH KD AND GIANNIS. Giannis 1st. KD would follow. Plus KD is a Commanders fan, so I know he's a good fit.

Fox
Castle
Durant
Wemby
Giannis

Anyone beating that team? Lol.

I don't think there's a scenario where that's possible

[SupremeGuy]

If the Spurs get Giannis without giving up Castle, Fox, or Wemby; we might as well wake up, cause that'd be a dream. lol

[Ice009]

If the Spurs get Giannis without giving up Castle, Fox, or Wemby; we might as well wake up, cause that'd be a dream. lol

lol. If we're talking dream scenarios, mine would be to get Giannis in a three way deal (doing the trade before the lottery and not including Castle, insist on including picks instead) where one of the other main pieces Zion ends up in Milwaukee, and on the Spurs end, giving up a bunch of picks except this year's 2025 SA 1st round pick (insist on keeping this one and giving up future picks instead) and then also including Vassell, Keldon etc., then get lucky and win the number one pick. Victor, Giannis, Cooper, Steph, De'Aaron. Would much rather that than Durant as also getting Durant wouldn't work under the cap. That would be my dream scenario ;).

[mo7888]

lol. If we're talking dream scenarios, mine would be to get Giannis in a three way deal (doing the trade before the lottery and not including Castle, insist on including picks instead) where one of the other main pieces Zion ends up in Milwaukee, and on the Spurs end, giving up a bunch of picks except this year's 2025 SA 1st round pick (insist on keeping this one and giving up future picks instead) and then also including Vassell, Keldon etc., then get lucky and win the number one pick. Victor, Giannis, Cooper, Steph, De'Aaron. Would much rather that than Durant as also getting Durant wouldn't work under the cap. That would be my dream scenario ;).

Fox, Wemby, Giannis, plus Castle doesn't offer enough spacing.

[Ice009]

Fox, Wemby, Giannis, plus Castle doesn't offer enough spacing.

I'd have Steph off the bench in the Manu role and try and get the roster filled with 3 & D guys. Victor can also play more on the perimeter and I think Fox (regardless of any dream scenario trades) will be a much better shooter here with the space and open looks he's going to get. I truly do believe De'Aaron is going to get better looks and become a better shooter with the Spurs. Maybe Durant can be that shooter if he sees that roster and wants to jump on the wagon and take a pay cut ;).

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Spurs should do what it takes to bring in BOTH KD AND GIANNIS. Giannis 1st. KD would follow. Plus KD is a Commanders fan, so I know he's a good fit.

Fox
Castle
Durant
Wemby
Giannis

Anyone beating that team? Lol.

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[HankChinaski]

The way the CBA works now the last couple years contract should be the last we see of them. No front office wants to be near or at the 2nd apron. Only 3 to 5 players deserve receive a super max contract and that is it and even with that I don't see how you construct a roster around one if you don't draft assets and players on friendly contracts

[CGD]

Fox, Wemby, Giannis, plus Castle doesn't offer enough spacing.

Right. In a world they are able to retain Steph in a Giannis trade, i think he’d have to come off the bench.

[SpursBills]

I think Spurs should do what it takes to bring in BOTH KD AND GIANNIS. Giannis 1st. KD would follow. Plus KD is a Commanders fan, so I know he's a good fit.

Fox
Castle
Durant
Wemby
Giannis

Anyone beating that team? Lol.

Nah I don't want Durant he's too old. I'd rather get SGA Ant and Tatum with Giannis. Trade Branham and Wesley if you have to, even Sochan. Just get it done.

SGA Ant Tatum Giannis Wemby.

Nobody is beating that team! Lol.

[SupremeGuy]

Aight. Whoever the fuck is dreaming about Greek Freak and KD coming to the Spurs? My nigga, you've have too much but I'll take two of whatever you're on.

[SupremeGuy]

Fox, Wemby, Giannis, plus Castle doesn't offer enough spacing.You shut your whore mouth. No one puts Castle in the corner. Even in a dream scenario lol

[bigzak25]

If the Spurs get Giannis without giving up Castle, Fox, or Wemby; we might as well wake up, cause that'd be a dream. lol


It's cool to dream though bro. And dreams do come true sometimes...ha. Just have to be young at heart and dream big! :flag::wakeup

[bigzak25]

Nah I don't want Durant he's too old. I'd rather get SGA Ant and Tatum with Giannis. Trade Branham and Wesley if you have to, even Sochan. Just get it done.

SGA Ant Tatum Giannis Wemby.

Nobody is beating that team! Lol.

He just has to be a role player, not carry.the team. Would want him to focus on his defense.

[bigzak25]

Aight. Whoever the fuck is dreaming about Greek Freak and KD coming to the Spurs? My nigga, you've have too much but I'll take two of whatever you're on.

It's Jesus juice bro...the Lord is within me through the Holy Spirit. Amen!

[bigzak25]

You shut your whore mouth. No one puts Castle in the corner. Even in a dream scenario lol

Lmao

[exstatic]

He just has to be a role player, not carry.the team. Would want him to focus on his defense.

Durant hasn’t played defense since he was injured in GS. Might be a physical thing. Might be he DGAF.

[Robz4000]

Put me in the camp where the Spurs shouldn't trade for Giannis tbh (unless it's for a Fox-like package).

[bigzak25]

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Lol...I thought I blocked you...it's all good man. Your a crackup.

I actually stopped doing drugs....threw my bag of Marijuana out my truck window for God's glory. That's why I'm posting what I post. I feel I have divine intuition Sir.

[LakerHater]

Didnt He sign a Big ass contract??
Don think the Spurs wanna take that on!

[bigzak25]

Durant hasn’t played defense since he was injured in GS. Might be a physical thing. Might be he DGAF.

He'll care here. He needs to be our Scottie Pippen on D.

[bigzak25]

Didnt He sign a Big ass contract??
Don think the Spurs wanna take that on!

Pop is president now. He has free reign.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Any getting Giannis will involve Castle going out.

I don't want to win just to win. I want to be attached to the players.

Yankee/Laker/LeBron-style teams are lame. These modern superstars need to grow into building winners where they are at. Tim and Dirk didn't go to a new team every year.


If you can get Giannis, you functionally must give up anything except Wembanyama to get him, but man...that''s not what I really want.

I loved Dirk, but I never wanted him to come play on the same team as Tim. That shit is whack, man.

[RC_Drunkford]

Lol...I thought I blocked you...it's all good man. Your a crackup.

I actually stopped doing drugs....threw my bag of Marijuana out my truck window for God's glory. That's why I'm posting what I post. I feel I have divine intuition Sir.

so you posting dumb shit while sober? You must've fallen on your head a lot as a kid

[SupremeGuy]

This isn't going to happen but even if it did, I don't see the team jelling...

Castle and Giannis are unquestionably top dogs. I think Wemby would feel 3rd wheel tbh

Damn I'm saying all of this with hopes that Wemby shuts me the fuck up.

[exstatic]

He'll care here. He needs to be our Scottie Pippen on D.

On his best defensive day, he might have been 50% Pippin, and he won’t care because Pop is no longer coaching.

[stephen jackson]

Fake news , just using us to put pressure on Milwaukee like always

[mo7888]

Fake news , just using us to put pressure on Milwaukee like always

Pressure on them to do what?

[mo7888]

Fake news , just using us to put pressure on Milwaukee like always

Pressure on them to do what?

[Ni-G]

I don't want him but I am scared of OKC or Huston getting him.

[mo7888]

I don't want him but I am scared of OKC or Huston getting him.

Don't be afraid.. OKC isn't going to break-up what they have to add Giannis. Houston may go hard though, but should a Houston team of Giannis and Amen really scare anyone? Defensively they'd be a beast, but two non shooters with what they'd have left minus the draft compensation going out doesn't really worry me.

[Brazil]

If Spurs bring Giannis, Victor will have to shoot 15 threes per game :lol

[HankChinaski]

Don't be afraid.. OKC isn't going to break-up what they have to add Giannis. Houston may go hard though, but should a Houston team of Giannis and Amen really scare anyone? Defensively they'd be a beast, but two non shooters with what they'd have left minus the draft compensation going out doesn't really worry me.

You fill the roster with ace shooters that are at least able to on defensive, funnel to Giannis inside the paint

[mo7888]

You fill the roster with ace shooters that are at least able to on defensive, funnel to Giannis inside the paint

Great plan...never thought of that.. that would actually work without Giannis too... so my question is, where are these Ace shooters who are able on the defensive end?

[said7]

The best offseason pickup would be Steven Adams. Think he'd be perfect. Imagine some pick n roll game w FOX and Wemby off ball.

[CGD]

Don't be afraid.. OKC isn't going to break-up what they have to add Giannis. Houston may go hard though, but should a Houston team of Giannis and Amen really scare anyone? Defensively they'd be a beast, but two non shooters with what they'd have left minus the draft compensation going out doesn't really worry me.

Houston also has a huge gap at the PG/table setter that needs addressing. I'd be looking at that if I were Giannis.

[Ice009]

The best offseason pickup would be Steven Adams. Think he'd be perfect. Imagine some pick n roll game w FOX and Wemby off ball.

Is he a free agent? I wonder how much it would cost to get him?

Do you guys think Brook Lopez would be worth bringing in? I only ask because I think his contract is up and his a former teammate of Mitch's.

[scott]

Had to double check the URL, thought I was on reddit for a second with some of these outrageously bad scenarios

[HankChinaski]

Great plan...never thought of that.. that would actually work without Giannis too... so my question is, where are these Ace shooters who are able on the defensive end?

Look towards the draft, our chest of picks and players currently having some value and look at the rest of the league who could fill those shoes thst might be attainable.

Finding guys that can shoot at a reasonable clip isn't difficult. Finding guys the the bbiq to work within a team defense different story but still possible.

I can't think of all the possibilities at the moment but there are options with players under contracts that could be had.

Honestly though I would take chances with the draft and trading out for future assets.

Front offices are not going to be handing out large sum contracts all crazy like before.

The new CBA has really put a clamp on that and you are seeing the after effects with moves and decisions teams are making to get out of 1st and 2nd aprons.

Boston has big decisions to make after the post season.

[mo7888]

Look towards the draft, our chest of picks and players currently having some value and look at the rest of the league who could fill those shoes thst might be attainable.

Finding guys that can shoot at a reasonable clip isn't difficult. Finding guys the the bbiq to work within a team defense different story but still possible.

I can't think of all the possibilities at the moment but there are options with players under contracts that could be had.

Honestly though I would take chances with the draft and trading out for future assets.

Front offices are not going to be handing out large sum contracts all crazy like before.

The new CBA has really put a clamp on that and you are seeing the after effects with moves and decisions teams are making to get out of 1st and 2nd aprons.

Boston has big decisions to make after the post season.

That sounds great...except you didn't name a single player...you just spoke in platitudes...

[HankChinaski]

That sounds great...except you didn't name a single player...you just spoke in platitudes...

I read this as you coming off like a dick.

All I was indicating is people should chill there are plenty of ways to improve and make this team a nba playoff team. And the direction of the season will be telling after free agency and the draft.

Draft: I like Derik Queen, Kon, Fleming, Sorber

Trades: John Collins maybe Cam Johnson (I just don't think he is worth the assets to acquire)

Free Agency: Naz Reid, Beasley, Q. Grimes, Gary Trent Jr.

Not all these guys collectively but individually 1 2 from the list would fill holes currently with the roster.

Don't want to see Paul back.

Would love to see Malaki, Keldon gone

Mildly hopeful they could package Devin for something. At this point I think keldon has better value and a team can easily envision a role on their team with. Vassell is kinda of a question mark and more of a risk for trading an acquiring. Most teams see the value but it is a higher risk because it still uncertain he hits his projected value

[mo7888]

I read this as you coming off like a dick.

All I was indicating is people should chill there are plenty of ways to improve and make this team a nba playoff team. And the direction of the season will be telling after free agency and the draft.

Draft: I like Derik Queen, Kon, Fleming, Sorber

Trades: John Collins maybe Cam Johnson (I just don't think he is worth the assets to acquire)

Free Agency: Naz Reid, Beasley, Q. Grimes, Gary Trent Jr.

Not all these guys collectively but individually 1 2 from the list would fill holes currently with the roster.

Don't want to see Paul back.

Would love to see Malaki, Keldon gone

Mildly hopeful they could package Devin for something. At this point I think keldon has better value and a team can easily envision a role on their team with. Vassell is kinda of a question mark and more of a risk for trading an acquiring. Most teams see the value but it is a higher risk because it still uncertain he hits his projected value

I somewhat agree with that player list. My draft board is on record for my list of players here in the draft thread. As for free agents/ trades, I do like Collins (and though it's blasphemy here, I like him more than Naz). I also like Grimes as a cheap option. I'm also interest in Royce O'Neal and Tyus Jones with our exceptions if we don't address more things in trades.

[baseline bum]

Had to double check the URL, thought I was on reddit for a second with some of these outrageously bad scenarios

Don't want to break up the Friendship Crew, especially now that we got our Friendship Coach locked up. Best part of Spurs reddit is how they all think Kelon is the heart and soul of the team.

[BatManu20]

It's Amico so take it with a grain of salt.

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[HankChinaski]

I somewhat agree with that player list. My draft board is on record for my list of players here in the draft thread. As for free agents/ trades, I do like Collins (and though it's blasphemy here, I like him more than Naz). I also like Grimes as a cheap option. I'm also interest in Royce O'Neal and Tyus Jones with our exceptions if we don't address more things in trades.

I haven't watched much of royce o neal. Tyus would be a nice pick up so long as the front court is resolved first with something more reliable than Sochan Bassey rotation.

Grimes I watched a couple mavs and 76ers games and a one or two games last season with pistons he shoots at a decent clip and offers some defensive versatility. Mavericks should have kept him and not send him to the 76ers

I like Naz too but I agree with you. I think John Collins has more value and fits a starting lineup need and rotational fit that we are severely lacking.

We draft one of Fleming or Kon. Then one of Queen or Sorber I think the spurs roster shows some promise especially with some guys like Grimes, tyus and collins

I haven't looked at the salary and nor what reasonable trade offer would suffice but losing Devin+future pick(s) nothing crazy and replacing that with Grimes I think saves the spurs a ton of money and if it nets you Collins you made this team a stronger defensive unit and improved the shooting on the floor and a player like sochan coming off the bench to sub out either one of Wemby or Collins and it isn't too big of a drop and offers some defensive switches and versatility

[VBM]

I read this as you coming off like a dick.

All I was indicating is people should chill there are plenty of ways to improve and make this team a nba playoff team. And the direction of the season will be telling after free agency and the draft.

Draft: I like Derik Queen, Kon, Fleming, Sorber

Trades: John Collins maybe Cam Johnson (I just don't think he is worth the assets to acquire)

Free Agency: Naz Reid, Beasley, Q. Grimes, Gary Trent Jr.

Not all these guys collectively but individually 1 2 from the list would fill holes currently with the roster.

Don't want to see Paul back.

Would love to see Malaki, Keldon gone

Mildly hopeful they could package Devin for something. At this point I think keldon has better value and a team can easily envision a role on their team with. Vassell is kinda of a question mark and more of a risk for trading an acquiring. Most teams see the value but it is a higher risk because it still uncertain he hits his projected value

No love for Myles Turner, huh?

[Ice009]

It's Amico so take it with a grain of salt.

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How's he going to go to the Lakers or Miami? I'm sure the Lakers don't have any assets to give up. I'm guessing Miami doesn't either.

New York could be a possibility, though, as they have players they can trade, but do they have any draft picks left?

I was also interested in Gary Trent Jr., but no-one here seemed interested a year ago. I thought if they could have gotten him cheap, he would have been a guy that could play SG/SF. Really could have helped when Devin was out to start the season IMO.

[HankChinaski]

No love for Myles Turner, huh?

Forgot about Miles in the list players but

One is slightly younger than the other and the incentive there is one will be younger in the middle of there contract than the other. Signing Miles to a 4 contract starting at what 30 million+ into there 30s.i dunno.

Something to consider

Collins is slightly younger and could be had possibly under 30 mill a year and would be off the books possible right around there physical decline

Where my thoughts are projecting at

[BatManu20]

How's he going to go to the Lakers or Miami? I'm sure the Lakers don't have any assets to give up. I'm guessing Miami doesn't either.

New York could be a possibility, though, as they have players they can trade, but do they have any draft picks left?

I was also interested in Gary Trent Jr., but no-one here seemed interested a year ago. I thought if they could have gotten him cheap, he would have been a guy that could play SG/SF. Really could have helped when Devin was out to start the season IMO.

Miami is the only team of these 3 that can offer anywhere near a realistic trade package, but it would have to include one or both of Bam and Hero, and then Giannis would just be surrounded by shit which I can't imagine being appealing to him. Wouldn't make any sense.

IF* this report is true (questionable), Milwaukee will likely just hold onto him. No point in trading your franchise player for a bag of chips. Wait another year or at least til the trade deadline to see if Giannis becomes more reasonable with his preferable locations. Or, Milwaukee can just do him like the Blazers did Lillard, and ignore his preferred destinations and just trade him to whoever offers the best return.

[scott]

Don't want to break up the Friendship Crew, especially now that we got our Friendship Coach locked up. Best part of Spurs reddit is how they all think Kelon is the heart and soul of the team.

Reddit has nothing on SpursTwitter, which had a minor uproar that Keldon didn't receive any 6MOY votes :lol

I will say that Keldon is the emotional engine of the team, for better or worse.

[scott]

A reporter is always safe typing "Player would like to go to New York, LA or Miami", considering those are the three most desirable locations in the league when you're a young, athletic millionaire :lol

Easy way to get some clicks without doing any actually journalism

[LeBowen]

Giannis would just be surrounded by shit which I can't imagine being appealing to him. Wouldn't make any sense.

This is the biggest issue people overlook. Very few teams have the assets to get Giannis and still remain competitive.
I'd say that Thunder, Rockets, Spurs and maybe Nets would be the only realistic destinations that make sense basketball wise.

No way Spurs do it, I also think Giannis stays with the Bucks.

[Blizzardwizard]

A reporter is always safe typing "Player would like to go to New York, LA or Miami", considering those are the three most desirable locations in the league when you're a young, athletic millionaire :lol

Easy way to get some clicks without doing any actually journalism


if it's not from shams/amick/haynes/stein/fischer it's not even worth discussing tbh


sam amico is about as well-connected as the average ST user :lol

[Chillen]

I think the Spurs should go hard after Durant. Giannis would cost us way to much and it looks like he wants to play in a big market.

[Ice009]

I can see that. I guess Giannis has done the small market thing and now wants to go to a big market. If it is true, I guess he isn't content being in a small market after all.

[Chillen]

This video makes great points on why Durant is a better fit now for the Spurs and we can keep Wemby, Fox, Vassell, Castle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih2ilk33Jrc

Spurs should be all in on Durant not Giannis.

[Ice009]

Again, I don't want to be giving up much for him and I think the Suns are going to ask for a lot as they're basically screwed. Does he even want to come to the Spurs? I wouldn't want to waste a ton of assets on him at his age. Would be nice to have him to teach some things to Victor, but depends on what the cost is.

[objective]

Probably just going to echo a lot of other people but ...

Not in favor of a Giannis trade. 3 reasons:

1. $$$. Ownership too poor to pay the necessary tax bills after Wemby starts his new contract in 2 seasons and still play any role players. The draft assets needed to get cheap players would mostly or wholly be sent away in the trade.
2. Incomplete roster. Unlike Houston or OKC, Spurs don't have a ton of players ready to step in and fulfill roles. Spurs still have no shooting, still have other holes and only exceptions to fill them in. Too much like the Phoenix situation.
3. Introducing a Giannis level talent is a complication too far for a rookie head coach trying to establish himself and his system. That is way too much pressure for Mitch who still has to get Wemby and Fox to coalesce in the new system first.

[Chillen]

Again, I don't want to be giving up much for him and I think the Suns are going to ask for a lot as they're basically screwed. Does he even want to come to the Spurs? I wouldn't want to waste a ton of assets on him at his age. Would be nice to have him to teach some things to Victor, but depends on what the cost is.

We have plenty of picks. Suns I think based on what I have read will want a good young player and some players and plenty of draft picks. They will mainly be after draft capital in a Durant trade I think. So it would be up to the Spurs front office to decide if he's worth it or not. They gave up a ton of draft capital trading for KD and would want it back.

That youtuber was right Spurs should be in win now mode with Victor. We don't know what his ceiling really is as it happens with most big men. Did not see that blood clot coming and who knows what else may happen down the road. Spurs need to be in win now mode.

[exstatic]

We have plenty of picks. Suns I think based on what I have read will want a good young player and some players and plenty of draft picks. They will mainly be after draft capital in a Durant trade I think. So it would be up to the Spurs front office to decide if he's worth it or not. They gave up a ton of draft capital trading for KD and would want it back.

That youtuber was right Spurs should be in win now mode with Victor. We don't know what his ceiling really is as it happens with most big men. Did not see that blood clot coming and who knows what else may happen down the road. Spurs need to be in win now mode.

Shooting our pick wad on a 37 YO seems non optimal. We just did a huge win now move literally weeks ago.

[CGD]

It's Amico so take it with a grain of salt.

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I kinda believe this. Hes made comments in the past about wanting all the big Euro names in big markets. Wouldn't blame him for wanting to try something new after years in MIL.

[said7]

Is he a free agent? I wonder how much it would cost to get him?

Do you guys think Brook Lopez would be worth bringing in? I only ask because I think his contract is up and his a former teammate of Mitch's.

yes. unrestricted

[exstatic]

Is he a free agent? I wonder how much it would cost to get him?

Do you guys think Brook Lopez would be worth bringing in? I only ask because I think his contract is up and his a former teammate of Mitch's.

5 rebounds in 32 minutes. :vomit:

[Davidicus]

As a basketball fan it would be amazing to see him as a Knick. Just stay East and I’m ok with it.

[Jordan Jackson]

Sam Amico made that up. Howard Beck did not say that.

Sham’s will let everyone know where Giannis wants to go - if he decides to leave.

[SupremeGuy]

I'd rather us move forward in the draft and see this team next year, but if all it'd take was Keldon, Vassell, and Sochan to keep the Lakers from getting Giannis, then pull the trigger.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I'd rather us move forward in the draft and see this team next year, but if all it'd take was Keldon, Vassell, and Sochan to keep the Lakers from getting Giannis, then pull the trigger.

I just don't see how the Lakers could provide a package that would entice the Bucks. They are $17 million below the projected 2nd apron with 11 players, $14 million below if they pick up Godwin's option. That is before the usual LBJ opt out and renegotiation. He took a discount this year (pretty much the amount of Bronny's contract), but normally he insists on somewhere near the max which would be a $20 million dollar increase. Who are the Lakers going to send out to match GA's $57 million plus salary for next year? It would basically take everyone on the Lakers not named LeBron or Luka to match the salary--none of which are world beaters. Reaves and Knecht are probably the 2 best young players. Not exactly who you'd think would get traded for the Freak. Then you get to their available draft picks and I believe it is only 2 available to trade at that point. Since neither the Lakers or the Bucks have draft picks to entice a third team to play it seems like the Lakers are off the board.

[SupremeGuy]

I just don't see how the Lakers could provide a package that would entice the Bucks. They are $17 million below the projected 2nd apron with 11 players, $14 million below if they pick up Godwin's option. That is before the usual LBJ opt out and renegotiation. He took a discount this year (pretty much the amount of Bronny's contract), but normally he insists on somewhere near the max which would be a $20 million dollar increase. Who are the Lakers going to send out to match GA's $57 million plus salary for next year? It would basically take everyone on the Lakers not named LeBron or Luka to match the salary--none of which are world beaters. Reaves and Knecht are probably the 2 best young players. Not exactly who you'd think would get traded for the Freak. Then you get to their available draft picks and I believe it is only 2 available to trade at that point. Since neither the Lakers or the Bucks have draft picks to entice a third team to play it seems like the Lakers are off the board.BROOOOOOOOOOOOO don't jinx this shit

3 months ago it was inconceivable that the lakers could get luka for davis

[Ice009]

BROOOOOOOOOOOOO don't jinx this shit

3 months ago it was inconceivable that the lakers could get luka for davis

Yeah, come on man, how are they going to get him? There's just no way unless they trade Luka for him. The don't have the draft assets to get it done either.


5 rebounds in 32 minutes. :vomit:

Well it doesn't seem like the Spurs don't care about that as they tried to get him a couple of seasons ago. That's the other reason I brought it up.

[BatManu20]

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[KobesAchilles]

I don’t even know what trade with the Bucks would even look like to get Giannis bc of salary. Can we be a horrible franchise and trade him for Fox and picks? :lol

But I would trade Castle and picks and whoever for him in a heartbeat. I know Giannis is the dreaded 30 years old and all time great players just can’t possibly continue to be good once they hit the age 30 (blue font).

Buuuuut think about it from a Wemby perspective. Tim came into the league and he had a pro like Robinson to show him how to handle everything and how to be the face of the league and how much work it takes. Giannis can be that for Wemby. Wemby I’m sure works hard, but once he sees Giannis, he’s going to see what actual hard work is. He’s going to see it in practice and in games, there are no plays off. There’s no jogging back. There’s no being winded after playing 30 minutes. There’s no I’m going to stand in the corner and do nothing for this 5 minute stint. Giannis will hold guys accountable and be such a positive influence on Wemby that I believe even if we don’t ring with Giannis, that will elevate Wemby quicker and show him what the next level actually is.

[Seventyniner]

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Interesting. He said "San Antonio and Houston" several times in a row, it doesn't get much more emphatic than that.

A three-team deal with the Pelicans to get the Bucks their own picks back would be very difficult. The team acquiring Giannis would have to give the Pelicans enough assets to pry those picks loose, and those picks alone might not be enough of a return for the Bucks which means the acquiring team has to give up even more. Perhaps that's why Windhorst keeps talking about the Spurs and Rockets because they're the two teams with enough assets to get this done if they want and are looking to upgrade their rosters.

Houston has much more of an incentive to deal with Phoenix, though.