NBA Summer League - Las Vegas // Game 2 - Spurs Vs Mavs 3:00 PM ESPN ESPN+

[ace3g]

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NBA Summer League - Las Vegas

**Marquee matchup // David Jones - Garcia vs Cooper Flagg

[SpursFan86]

Harper on a minutes restriction :lol

[ace3g]

Matt Guzman mattgzman
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My good friend Tom Orsborn got it first, but #Spurs rookie Dylan Harper (groin) is AVAILABLE for this afternoon’s matchup against Cooper Flagg and the #Mavericks.

He’ll be on a minutes restriction.

[Ice009]

F-ing great. 3am here and I was looking forward to watching him. Oh well. Don't want to risk injury, but still, dampens the game quite a bit.

[LeBowen]

Can't wait for the overreactions, my favorite thing about SL.

[couchman]

HARPER IS A BUST!

Amidoingitright?

[Mr. Body]

HARPER IS A BUST!

Amidoingitright?

He hasn't even made a single shot yet. smh

[couchman]

He hasn't even made a single shot yet. smh

Three games into SL and zero points!! Disaster Draft

[CGD]

Can't wait for the overreactions, my favorite thing about SL.

Seriously. Flagg is a bust after his first game apparently

[ace3g]

https://x.com/mattgzman/status/1944118463972487226

[ace3g]

https://x.com/NBA/status/1944119887741562949

[Raven]

https://x.com/mattgzman/status/1944118463972487226

he missed the shot, can't even nail the highlights, clear bust

[ace3g]

https://x.com/mikecwright/status/1944120441100021943

[skin27]

Harper on a minutes restriction :lol
Wtf

[ace3g]

https://x.com/TheHoopFather/status/1944123136045351223

[BatManu20]

Harper on a minutes restriction :lol

Already injury-prone. Knew we should've drafted Yang Hansen 2nd Overall instead tbh.

[ace3g]

Matt Guzman mattgzman
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San Antonio #Spurs starters for today's game against the Dallas #Mavericks:

⭐️Carter Bryant
⭐️Ibrahima Diallo
⭐️Dylan Harper
⭐️Riley Minix
⭐️Harrison Ingram

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvrqFbVXgAE-s7N?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[ace3g]

Nice drive by Harper.

[LeBowen]

I always forget how awful summer league is, tbh.

[ace3g]

Harper hits the top of the key 3 but waived off due to foul before the shot.

[SpursFan86]

Man Harper already looks so in control and poised.

I’m sorry but I don’t see the appeal of Ingram at all :lol

[Dex]

Harper 1st three in-and-out, 2nd three went in but called off due to a foul

[ace3g]

CB forces TO on Flagg with pressure on perimeter.

[BatManu20]

CB locking Flagg's ass up!

[ace3g]

DJG enters the game.

Minix corner 3.

[Mal]

Yes, defense

[Dex]

Bryant sticking hard to Flagg, causing him to lose it out of bounds

[ace3g]

CB stops a lob attempt!!!

[td4mvp2k]

bryant getting better and better nice.

[Mr. Body]

Bryant is legit an insane chase-down blocker.

[BatManu20]

Bryant is a defensive demon. Fucking love it tbh.

[SpursFan86]

Bryant :worthy::worthy: If this kid can just hit open 3s he will have an NBA career.

[scottspurs]

Ok I see you Mr. Bryant

[Darkwaters]

Holy crap. Carter Bryant is going to be fun.

[ace3g]

DJG 3!!!

[BatManu20]

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[ace3g]

Dexter Dennis 3

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[baseline bum]

Jesus that lob Carter broke up

[ace3g]

DJG nice drop off pass

[Darkwaters]

Cooper Flagg feasting on a Spurs summer league NPC defender

[LeBowen]

Alright, I've seen enough, Keldon has to go and make way for Bryant.
He's already lightyears ahead of Keldon defensively and he surely can't be a worse shooter than Keldon.

[BatManu20]

CB checks out and Flagg immediately gets into the lane on b2b possessions.

[chubbs]

:lmao spurs and spurfans acting like this is the NBA finals :rollin :rollin :rollin

[Fireball]

Don't care about his offense .. love Carter Bryant !

[BatManu20]

Meanwhile Ingram is a retarded defender who doesn't know how to contest shots without fouling people. That's 2 now that were completely avoidable.

[ace3g]

Tough midrange by DJG!!!

[BatManu20]

:lmao spurs and spurfans acting like this is the NBA finals :rollin :rollin :rollin

Literally no one is acting like that you faggot. We're allowed to enjoy watching our Rookies play basketball. Same reason you're here.

[KDKSpurs24]

Just caught up. You can tell immediately that Harper is special. He’s so under control and he seems very advanced already as a rookie by the way he operates. And I’ve been very impressed with his willingness to play defense. I don’t think he’s gonna be a weak link on D at all. Carter Bryant locking up and getting more and more comfortable with understanding what he’s able to do in the NBA style game. He just needs to get more confidence on offense because it’s almost nonexistent.

[LeBowen]

Meanwhile Ingram is a retarded defends who doesn't know how to contest shots without fouling people.

Reminds me of Keldon, tbh.

We might be onto something with this DJG kid.

[Mr. Body]

Actually kind of intense game for a SL.

[Rosewood]

Carter is so active on defense. Wonder how it will translate against real nba teams

[BatManu20]

DJG is simply automatic offense. Dude scores in different ways at all 3 levels.

[chubbs]

Literally no one is acting like that you faggot. We're allowed to enjoy watching our Rookies play basketball. Same reason you're here.

spurs players celebrating and screaming their lungs out after every single shot, you getting so angry and defensive, and spurfans in here with 2 million exclamation points says otherwise :lmao :lmao :lmao spurfan

[Mr. Body]

Carter is so active on defense. Wonder how it will translate against real nba teams

He'll need seasoning, IMO. He's jumpy and handsy and good players will draw fouls on him and take advantage of where he is. No matter, he'll learn all that stuff.

[SpursFan86]

DJG :cry

[skin27]

Man jones garcia should replace vassel’s spot

[scottspurs]

TBH cut Vassell and sign Jones-Garcia lol

[Rosewood]

:lmao spurs and spurfans acting like this is the NBA finals :rollin :rollin :rollin
Imagine spending your saturday trolling a summer league thread :lol

[Tyrone Jenkins]

DJG at 3rd PG is starting to wear on me...

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

We need to stop messing around and sign Jones-Garcia to a small deal similar to Julian Champagnie. He has shown enough to be a end of bench NBA player

[vy65]

That Disney/murderer hoodie Steph has is fucking dope

[ace3g]

Harper back in.

[Splits]

DJG is fuckin smooth

[chubbs]

Imagine spending your saturday trolling a summer league thread :lol

imagine spending your saturday circle jerking in a summer league thread :lol

[ace3g]

Harper's size checks out on the court.

[LeBowen]

Bryant's FT form looks perfect, there's no way he won't develop into a solid c&s guy.

[ace3g]

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[td4mvp2k]

jesus bryant its just summer league bro

[Davidicus]

Cooper Flagg lookin like the appliance repairman with that facial hair

[Spursfanfromafar]

Oh man. I am waiting for the day when a more seasoned Carter Bryant shares the court with Wemby. It's going to be thrilling to watch the Spurs on defense.

[LeBowen]

Harper's off the dribble shooting issues were over-exaggerated, tbh. Looks solid.

[Davidicus]

I always forget how awful summer league is, tbh.

[td4mvp2k]

flagg like why couldnt i have been a spur

[vy65]

The thing I love more than CB’s actual defense is the attitude he brings to that side of the floor. You can already tell he wants to set a defensive identity and I haven’t seen something like that on our perimeter since Neph/LDN.

[vy65]

The thing I love more than CB’s actual defense is the attitude he brings to that side of the floor. You can already tell he wants to set a defensive identity and I haven’t seen something like that on our perimeter since Neph/LDN.

[scottspurs]

Lmao Carter Bryant saw me saying he should spend the year in GLeague and decided to go Wild on D! He wants to guard all 5 players lol

[ace3g]

Nice cut by Harper

[Mr. Body]

Dylan's dad sitting next to Keldon.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Loving our defensive energy!! They bailing Flagg out with these weak fouls.

[scottspurs]

Dylan Harper winning at free throws vs Cooper Flagg at free throws

[LeBowen]

We're Sochan and Bryant jumpshot away from being the greatest defensive team in basketball history, tbh.

[scottspurs]

wtf nobody has time for challenges in summer league

[Biggems]

After summer league, I want Bryant locked in a gym shooting 1000 jumpers a day until training camp. By then, he should be able to make his shots consistently.

[LeBowen]

It's kind of painful how much of a better fit would've Harper and Flagg been if they switched teams.
I'd say Flagg has it even worse because creation on that Mavs team will be non-existant while we can make things with Harper work.

[Strategic]

Already sick of seeing Flaggs face.

[Biggems]

Flagged getting the Dirk treatment from the refs.

[chubbs]

It's kind of painful how much of a better fit would've Harper and Flagg been if they switched teams.
I'd say Flagg has it even worse because creation on that Mavs team will be non-existant while we can make things with Harper work.

:lmao they haven't even played a minute of NBA basketball :rollin typical spurfan :rollin :rollin

[ace3g]

Feel like DJG has been asked to do something different tonight; he is taking extra dribbles now into the paint and hesitating instead of shooting.

[td4mvp2k]

i dont see how ingram stays after this SL

[Strategic]

Spurs about shutout this quarter

[Truckules]

Ingram looks like he doesn't belong in the G-League, much less in the NBA

[skin27]

Flagg already getting superstar calls

[ace3g]

DJG finally didn't hesitate and went straight to the basket and finishes!!!

[skin27]

Jones garcia is better than harper lmao

[BatManu20]

Mark Jones is insufferable with his corny bullshit commentary

[chubbs]

:lmao after all the proclaiming by spurfans of bryant >>>>>>>>>>> flagg, now hes getting cooked left and right by cooper :rollin :rollin :rollin

[ace3g]

Minix 3

[BatManu20]

Jones garcia is better than harper lmao

Well yea he's almost 5 years older lol

[Strategic]

We need somebody to park a taco truck in front of Flaggs front door right away. Get that boy into Luka shape.

[ace3g]

Nice block by Harper!!!

[BatManu20]

Fucking nasty block by Harper there

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[Mal]

That Spurs defense will be nasty going forward

[jesterbobman]

Harper defending at the rim!

[td4mvp2k]

HOLY**** dylan

[ace3g]

And 1 for Harper!!!

[LkrFan]

Dylan Harper looks legit. Who you farmers trading Fox for?

[ace3g]

Halftime





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[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gvr4IqAWcAAZkEw?format=jpg&name=medium

[ace3g]

https://x.com/NBA/status/1944139097737469987

[cd98]

Harper looks good. Bryant shooting needs work but fun to watch on defense. Flagg is going to be good. Damn all Texas teams will be tough.

[skin27]

Well yea he's almost 5 years older lol

oh okay

[SPURt]

Dylan Harper looks more like his father than any player I’ve seen in terms of body and movement. They both move there shoulders in the direction of there momentum and a really unique way. Pretty wild to see! He’s a clone!

[Mr. Body]

Flagg's getting to the line at ease and the Spurs can't figure out their offense with Harper inserted into the lineup and Dallas playing hard defense.

[Darkwaters]

Harrison Ingram has some skills, but he doesn’t appear to be an NBA player

[ace3g]

Nice euro step drive by Harper!!!

[td4mvp2k]

yup harper already got a pro game

[BatManu20]

Harper looks good. Bryant shooting needs work but fun to watch on defense. Flagg is going to be good. Damn all Texas teams will be tough.

The Texas Triangle will be back, at least for a while. Hopefully AD and Kyrie start to regress sooner rather than later though so that the Mavs don't stay relevant for too long tbh.

[ace3g]

7:13 - 3rd





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[ace3g]

Spurs FT attempts 5; Flagg 11...

[RC_Drunkford]

Riley Minnix ain't helping his stock with those turnovers

[jesterbobman]

Offense has looked occasionally ugly with Harper, but I think that's mostly a diligent effort to get him comfortable, rather than running the best offense to score. Settled down, and he's been willing to be off ball. Good debut so far.

[onechance87]

bryant gotta hit those open shots

[Biggems]

The refs are riding Flagg's pole out there

[chubbs]

:rollin spurfans thinking flagg is getting some superstar whistle when hes clearly getting raked across the arms and pushed on every single drive

[Biggems]

Thankfully Flagg shoots FTs like LeBitch

[ace3g]

DJG done tanking his stock.

[Biggems]

I am pleased that these two teams are playing hard on both ends. I love some hardnosed defense.

[skin27]

Jones garcia is better than castle offensively

[Biggems]

:rollin spurfans thinking flagg is getting some superstar whistle when hes clearly getting raked across the arms and pushed on every single drive

A couple of those calls were iffy. Still, it would be nice if the refs would give the Spurs the same courtesy while theyare getting fouled.

[Guru of Nothing]

:rollin spurfans thinking flagg is getting some superstar whistle when hes clearly getting raked across the arms and pushed on every single drive

I'll bet you play a mean pinball.

[ace3g]

Spurs back in the flow state.

[ace3g]

1:22 - 3rd





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[Strategic]

Devin looks like he knows these kids are after his minutes.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1944146596448678399

[chubbs]

A couple of those calls were iffy. Still, it would be nice if the refs would give the Spurs the same courtesy while theyare getting fouled.

and there were several drives where flagg was clearly getting fouled with no call, including the clear 3-4 fouls bryant got away with on flaggs first turnover in the game where everyone said he "got locked up" :lmao :lmao

[Biggems]

I love seeing Wemby, Sochan, Castle, KJ, Vassell, and Champ in Vegas supporting the SL team.

[LeBowen]

Minix has a solid offensive game, but his defense is tragic. I don't think he'll ever get an NBA contract.

[BatManu20]

Spurs puled their only rim-protecting big and it became a layup line for Flagg

[RC_Drunkford]

and there were several drives where flagg was clearly getting fouled with no call, including the clear 3-4 fouls bryant got away with on flaggs first turnover in the game where everyone said he "got locked up" :lmao :lmao

:lol Mavs fan in a Spurs Summer League game thread. Where's your guy Luka playing again? :lmao

[Biggems]

I'll bet you play a mean pinball.

Haha lol

[ace3g]

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[chubbs]

:lol Mavs fan in a Spurs Summer League game thread. Where's your guy Luka playing again? :lmao

:lmao spurs stuck in lottery year after year bc wemby is a shameless stat padder that doesnt make the team better :rollin

[ace3g]

Glad Harper is ok after that hard foul in the air.

[Strategic]

Damn nice free throw stroke

[Mr. Body]

Bro this is Summer League. Don't hurt our lottery pick.

[td4mvp2k]

harper feastin :hungry:

[BatManu20]

Bryant just rolled his ankle. Looks like he's alright though.

[Russ]

Minix is automatic.

[ace3g]

Harper to Minix for corner 3.

But Carter pulled up gimpy...

[baseline bum]

Damn looks like Bryant turned an ankle

[RC_Drunkford]

:lmao spurs stuck in lottery year after year bc wemby is a shameless stat padder that doesnt make the team better :rollin

Spurs are better than the Mavs and have all their draft picks + additional ones and a Mavs swap. Meanwhile Mavs have a roster full of injury proned 35-year olds and no draft picks. Flagg will bail next and you'll go park on a train track :lol

[Strategic]

Bryant hobbled

[SpursFan86]

Harper has been super impressive. Great debut.

Hopefully just a little ankle tweak for Bryant at the end there.

[ace3g]

CB back out there.

[Biggems]

Carter needs to start shooting the Del Negro. All his 3s are just a bit short. The Del Negros would be nothing but net.

[tonight...you]

I like a try-hard.
They're pathetic in their own way and feel the opposite.

[lefty20]

:lmao spurs stuck in lottery year after year bc wemby is a shameless stat padder that doesnt make the team better :rollin

Mighty rich coming from a team that ended up in the lotto despite having twice as many #1 picks on the roster.

[ace3g]

Harper with nice pass to Osifo for the transition dunk.

[tonight...you]

Harper is the truth. His poise alone shows out that he'll transition.

[chubbs]

Spurs are better than the Mavs and have all their draft picks + additional ones and a Mavs swap. Meanwhile Mavs have a roster full of injury proned 35-year olds and no draft picks. Flagg will bail next and you'll go park on a train track :lol


Mighty rich coming from a team that ended up in the lotto despite having twice as many #1 picks on the roster.

loooooooooooooooooooooool the butthurt is strong in here :lmao

[CGD]

CB locking Flagg's ass up!

Havent watch the game so this may not age well, but feels like Spurs may have drafted Carter as their future Flagg “stopper.”

[ace3g]

3:49 - 4th





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[Biggems]

Carter needs to start shooting the Del Negro. All his 3s are just a bit short. The Del Negros would be nothing but net.

[Mal]

Flagg kid may be good

[td4mvp2k]

i seen enuff of ingram

[RC_Drunkford]

loooooooooooooooooooooool the butthurt is strong in here :lmao

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:lmao

[ace3g]

DJG clutch 3!!!

[LeBowen]

It's summer league, but DJG is effortless, he'll definitely get a contract somewhere.

[Biggems]

2 straight possessions Nemhard shot it and aflaggnever touched it....both misses

[ace3g]

2-0!!!!

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[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvsGngEWMAAcff1?format=jpg&name=medium

[daslicer]

Harper looked legit in this game. He already has elite ball handling skills and the way he controls the pace of the game is very Hardenesque. He is also a great playmaker and slasher. His biggest weakness is his 3 point shot.

[RC_Drunkford]

Ron already chilling with the squad

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[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvsGngEWMAAcff1?format=jpg&name=medium

[Dex]

:elephant Spurs win! :elephant

[LeBowen]

Harper looked legit in this game. He already has elite ball handling skills and the way he controls the pace of the game is very Hardenesque. He is also a great playmaker and slasher. His biggest weakness is his 3 point shot.

Three of his 3pt misses were really close and the one he made was waved off, he'll get there.

No scouting report said much about his defense, but he put some serious effort in, he can surely be a positive defender.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvsGngEWMAAcff1?format=jpg&name=medium

[ginobilized]

Love Harper's poise, control, handles and his D might not be bad. There's a lot to look forward to in his game.
CB needs to get his shot under control, might need some G-League action this year.
I hope the defense we are seeing in Summer League carries over to the real season. That is intense D.

[ginobilized]

Love Harper's poise, control, handles and his D might not be bad. There's a lot to look forward to in his game.
CB needs to get his shot under control, might need some G-League action this year.
I hope the defense we are seeing in Summer League carries over to the real season. That is intense D.

[BatManu20]

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[CorrectCrusader]

Dylan Harper will be better than Cooper Flagg. He's the truth man.

[Mugen]

I can't believe the Spurs lucked into f'n Dylan Harper

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Needs to lock himself in the gym and work on his 3-point shot like most young players but his defense is elite at times and overall very good. His future is bright imo.

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[ace3g]

Dylan Harper broke the forum there for about 10 minutes.

[OldMan88]

Love Harper's poise, control, handles and his D might not be bad. There's a lot to look forward to in his game.
CB needs to get his shot under control, might need some G-League action this year.
I hope the defense we are seeing in Summer League carries over to the real season. That is intense D.

I think the Spurs vets are looking at the SL team defense and thinking “I better get my defensive shit together or one of the new guys will take my minutes”.

[OldMan88]

Duplicate

[ace3g]

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[lefty20]

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Edit: Source questionable, tbh.

[blizz]

Sign and trade Fox anyone?

[sfernald]

DJG is simply automatic offense. Dude scores in different ways at all 3 levels.

DJG = SGA

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJt2EUAIpQ8

[sfernald]

Cooper Flagg lookin like the appliance repairman with that facial hair

honestly this guy just installed my new tankless water heater the other day.

[Mr. Body]

If I had a daughter, Cooper's goatee would be an automatic door-closer for me.

[RC_Drunkford]

gotta give credit to the coach. These guys are all playing hard. I know he was on the Grizzlies staff under J.B. Bickerstaff before, so he knows a thing or two about grit and grind.

[sfernald]

loooooooooooooooooooooool the butthurt is strong in here :lmao

lol Flagg trying too hard. He’s played more minutes than Harper and CB combined practically.

[GAustex]

No denying the Spurs summer league team looks good

[TD 21]

The Mavericks don't have much choice with Irving injured and their retro roster construction, but Flagg masquerading as an offensive "engine" while Davis simultaneously does likewise primarily as a four next to two vertical spacing fives, is a recipe for a bottom feeding half court offense.

Despite the hype, I don't see Flagg ever becoming that. He looks like an elite complementary star in the making, a souped up Siakam.

Even if he's more so Tatum, a popular comp, that's nowhere near a "generational prospect".

Meanwhile, Harper looks as advertised, which is a classic offensive "engine" in the making.

[sfernald]

Harper is a true natural. Flagg play is really forced at this point. Harper just lets the game come to him. Looks so smooth out there in his limited minutes.

[Mr. Body]

The Mavericks don't have much choice with Irving injured and their retro roster construction, but Flagg masquerading as an offensive "engine" while Davis simultaneously does likewise primarily as a four next to two vertical spacing fives, is a recipe for a bottom feeding half court offense.

Despite the hype, I don't see Flagg ever becoming that. He looks like an elite complementary star in the making, a souped up Siakam.

Even if he's more so Tatum, a popular comp, that's nowhere near a "generational prospect".

Meanwhile, Harper looks as advertised, which is a classic offensive "engine" in the making.

I don't get them saying he can play point. He can't. He's not a great ball handler or playmaker, isn't great at creating offense for himself. He's going to be really good and those things may develop, but right now to me he's as you suggest, a superior complementary player whose defense and other skills are going to be a high level. Just watching him in college you couldn't see a playmaker yet.

[scott]

Just now tuning into the replay (am at the 8 min mark in Q2) and here are my early observations, looking forward to catching up on the thread later.

1. Ron Harper sitting next to Keldon and the rest of the Spurs players... are our respective bodies and minds ready for Ron Harper, Super Spurs Fan?

2. Absolutely LOVING Carter Bryant's defensive intensity and hustle. We've only seen this from a perimeter player since Kawhi left with Sochan and maybe Castle's first month. If he just does this and can be in the right spot up spots for 3s, he'll earn minutes as a rookie.

3. Dylan looks smooth... Smooth like Butter since we had Mark Jones announcing.

4. Is Jones-Garcia signed yet?!?

5. Cooper looks rough so far. This forum would be on suicide watch if we had lucked into #1 and he was putting these performances up for us (but we'd still be okay)

[Russ]

Sign and trade Fox anyone?

It would be considered double-dog dirty by every NBA player from now to eternity. But . . .

[TD 21]

I don't get them saying he can play point. He can't. He's not a great ball handler or playmaker, isn't great at creating offense for himself. He's going to be really good and those things may develop, but right now to me he's as you suggest, a superior complementary player whose defense and other skills are going to be a high level. Just watching him in college you couldn't see a playmaker yet.

That's the league now. Damn near every non C hyped prospect, especially of his magnitude, is shoehorned into being an offensive "engine".

That's the product of four decades (started with Jordan) of hyping, marketing and mythologizing this archetype. Most of these kids think it's the only way to be recognized as a great player and in part to appease them, teams force it and end up with them being overstretched and developing bad habits as opposed to developing secondary skills first.

[sfernald]

Ingram is living proof the spurs front office knows what they’re doing every time they give away a second round draft pick.

[sfernald]

It would be considered double-dog dirty by every NBA player from now to eternity. But . . .

https://youtu.be/1MwgZXY17Ac?si=Kwe321epicuC9Lf0

[Russ]

5. Cooper looks rough so far. This forum would be on suicide watch if we had lucked into #1 and he was putting these performances up for us (but we'd still be okay)

I've attended both of his games thus far.

Cooper Flagg is the best player in this tournament hands down. Period.

[Russ]

Ingram is living proof the spurs front office knows what they’re doing every time they give away a second round draft pick.

Ouch.

[Mnky]

Ingram is living proof the spurs front office knows what they’re doing every time they give away a second round draft pick.

:lol
That made me chuckle. It's hard to make 1st rounders to work out let alone second rounders. Ya got a point.

[Mnky]

Ingram is living proof the spurs front office knows what they’re doing every time they give away a second round draft pick.

:lol
That made me chuckle. It's hard to make 1st rounders work out let alone second rounders. Ya got a point.

[Ice009]

Sign and trade Fox anyone?

Any time someone mentions trading Fox after he forced a trade to the Spurs (again a sticky need to be put up) needs some time with that guy in your avatar.
He hasn't even played a full season yet with the Spurs. The only way he's getting traded is if he asks for it.

[sfernald]

I've attended both of his games thus far.

Cooper Flagg is the best player in this tournament hands down. Period.

He’s fine but he’s practically played every minute of the games too. I doubt there’s anyone else playing close
to his minutes. Basically coaches told the team cooper is going to play every minute of the game and either shoot the ball or pass the ball for the shot. If you aren’t up for this game plan get the fuck out.

[Dejounte]

Just now tuning into the replay (am at the 8 min mark in Q2) and here are my early observations, looking forward to catching up on the thread later.

1. Ron Harper sitting next to Keldon and the rest of the Spurs players... are our respective bodies and minds ready for Ron Harper, Super Spurs Fan?

2. Absolutely LOVING Carter Bryant's defensive intensity and hustle. We've only seen this from a perimeter player since Kawhi left with Sochan and maybe Castle's first month. If he just does this and can be in the right spot up spots for 3s, he'll earn minutes as a rookie.

3. Dylan looks smooth... Smooth like Butter since we had Mark Jones announcing.

4. Is Jones-Garcia signed yet?!?

5. Cooper looks rough so far. This forum would be on suicide watch if we had lucked into #1 and he was putting these performances up for us (but we'd still be okay)

How was today’s game a rough performance for Cooper? Yeah, he had some bad possessions, but he was clearly the star of the game. Head and shoulders above the rest (with exception to Harper on minutes restriction)

[Mnky]

Still don't understand the infatuation with trading Fox. Noone on the team besides Wemby comes close to the gravity and impact as Fox does. Everyone on the team, including Wemby, play a much easier game with Fox in. Whether they're all compatible etc comes down to people accepting roles with two stars in the lineup but man Castle is good but still not near Fox. Harper isn't near him either. They'll both get their minutes. Vassell and Johnson are the ones who are taking their development time and opportunities if anyone is. Fox makes them better.

[sfernald]

How was today’s game a rough performance for Cooper? Yeah, he had some bad possessions, but he was clearly the star of the game. Head and shoulders above the rest (with exception to Harper on minutes restriction)

I think he had just watched the first part of the game where CB had pretty well shut down cooper to start.

[sfernald]

I will say I really like this spurs team. Dare we say we might have a summer league championship team in the making? Lol

[heyheymymy]

Feel like DJG has been asked to do something different tonight; he is taking extra dribbles now into the paint and hesitating instead of shooting.

Thought the same thing like they told him they wanted to see how he distributes more this game than his offense. It was affecting his decision making

[Dejounte]

Didn’t realize Spanish was SJG’s first language. He has a cool accent.

[Russ]

I will say I really like this spurs team. Dare we say we might have a summer league championship team in the making? Lol

The way the team has substituted in these two games makes me think they want to win (vs just evaluating).

[scott]

How was today’s game a rough performance for Cooper? Yeah, he had some bad possessions, but he was clearly the star of the game. Head and shoulders above the rest (with exception to Harper on minutes restriction)

As I posted in the post you quoted, I wrote that with 8 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter. He looked a lot better after that

[Dejounte]

As I posted in the post you quoted, I wrote that with 8 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter. He looked a lot better after that

Man, reading is for p***** /s

[CGD]

Ingram is living proof the spurs front office knows what they’re doing every time they give away a second round draft pick.

But but but Brian sucks as GM because he doesn’t turn SRPs into hall of famers like Manu!

Thanks for the sobering perspective.

[Russ]

He’s fine but he’s practically played every minute of the games too. I doubt there’s anyone else playing close
to his minutes. Basically coaches told the team cooper is going to play every minute of the game and either shoot the ball or pass the ball for the shot. If you aren’t up for this game plan get the fuck out.

It's really not the amount of minutes Flagg plays.

It's the eyeball test.

[scott]

Devin Vassell dresses like he smokes a LOT of weed

[intlspurshk]

Like CB defence but he will be fouled out in 5 mins. He needs to learn how to play suffocating defence and stay in the game.

[Dejounte]

The players people should worry about being paired are Bryant and Sochan, not Castle and Sochan. It’s only a matter of time before people’s faith in his offense ever existing goes away. Soon he’ll enter the same discussions we have around Sochan about a lack of efficient 3 pt shot.

[scott]

The players people should worry about being paired are Bryant and Sochan, not Castle and Sochan. It’s only a matter of time before people’s faith in his offense ever existing goes away. Soon he’ll enter the same discussions we have around Sochan about a lack of efficient 3 pt shooting skills.

Yep... if Bryant's offense looks like Sochan's after 3 years, it will certainly be concerning.

Seeing what we've seen of Bryant so far, he's honestly kind of a Sochan-like prospect. Defensive intensity and potential, offensive question marks. Sochan realized his defensive upside early. Bryant is starting off from a better place as far as shooting is concerned (though only 69.5% FT in college, not the best signal).

Wouldn't surprise me if Bryant is exactly where Sochan is after 3 years... and that would mean we're still not able to develop rookies outside of Top 4 picks.

[scott]

I like this Osipo (sp?) guy's rum running mobility... don't know if he has shown enough for a 2-way slot, but seems like he'd be in contention for one of them (especially since I don't see Ingram as worthy of one at this point)

[Ice009]

Devin Vassell dresses like he smokes a LOT of weed

For whatever reason, Devin's dress sense gives me a similar reaction to what some of you guys say about Cooper's facial hair.
Tim Duncan could give him some tips on fashion IMO.

[Dejounte]

Yep... if Bryant's offense looks like Sochan's after 3 years, it will certainly be concerning.

Seeing what we've seen of Bryant so far, he's honestly kind of a Sochan-like prospect. Defensive intensity and potential, offensive question marks. Sochan realized his defensive upside early. Bryant is starting off from a better place as far as shooting is concerned (though only 69.5% FT in college, not the best signal).

Wouldn't surprise me if Bryant is exactly where Sochan is after 3 years... and that would mean we're still not able to develop rookies outside of Top 4 picks.

On a positive note, I will say that his intensity on defense has been a pleasant surprise and his play on that end is everything I was hoping to get from Drake Powell or any player from the 14th pick that had the ability to be aggressive on that end (if they didn’t go big). Sure he might not have the best foot speed, but he compensates for it with better size than the other options. I’m just glad he understood the assignment and it didn’t take long for him to realize that he wasn’t drafted to be Paul George or Kawhi Leonard. Don’t be conservative with your energy on defense to save it for your nonexistent offense. I hope he continues to give it his all like that - he may land on the All Defense First Team someday.

[sfernald]

It's really not the amount of minutes Flagg plays.

It's the eyeball test.

Agreed but I think Harper looked better in his much fewer minutes where it’s much harder to get a flow in the game.

[scott]

For whatever reason, Devin's dress sense gives me a similar reaction to what some of you guys say about Cooper's facial hair.
Tim Duncan could give him some tips on fashion IMO.

tbh, Tim also dresses like he smokes A LOT of weed

[John B]

I’m not worried about Bryant. His form is fine. Better teammates will find him open shots.

I love Dylan’s swagger and competitiveness. I can see he wasn’t happy about Cooper getting 31 pts. There was a shot of him shaking his head as Cooper shot a 3 and made it. But he played the “right way,” he said. “I played great.. I played the right way… ultimately win and that’s what we did.” I could be reading it too much, or he could be dismissing Cooper’s game high and a losing effort. I know Dylan believes he’s the better player.

I don’t know how long the Spurs would have Dylan coming off the bench, supposing that’s the Coaches’ decision. Because the kid is an alpha. He’s going to be the main PG of this team eventually and it’s just going to be a matter of time. And where Fox fits, I don’t know. Damn, Spurs have another superstar in the making. And nope, it’s not an “overreaction” after the 1st SL game :lol

[timtonymanu]

tbh, Tim also dresses like he smokes A LOT of weed

Ngl. Part of me wishes Timmy rocked his current look when he was in the NBA.

[CGD]

I’m not worried about Bryant. His form is fine. Better teammates will find him open shots.

I love Dylan’s swagger and competitiveness. I can see he wasn’t happy about Cooper getting 31 pts. There was a shot of him shaking his head as Cooper shot a 3 and made it. But he played the “right way,” he said. “I played great.. I played the right way… ultimately win and that’s what we did.” I could be reading it too much, or he could be dismissing Cooper’s game high and a losing effort. I know Dylan believes he’s the better player.

I don’t know how long the Spurs would have Dylan coming off the bench, supposing that’s the Coaches’ decision. Because the kid is an alpha. He’s going to be the main PG of this team eventually and it’s just going to be a matter of time. And where Fox fits, I don’t know. Damn, Spurs have another superstar in the making. And nope, it’s not a “overreaction” after the 1st SL game :lol

We’ll never know, but I also wonder if he’s a little salty about Cooper reclassing to be in this draft. Maybe he felt he would have been the #1 over all pick but for that.

[John B]

We’ll never know, but I also wonder if he’s a little salty about Cooper reclassing to be in this draft. Maybe he felt he would have been the #1 over all pick but for that.

And that’s fine. Hopefully that will be the fire to his greatness.

[ace3g]

DMBhx99IArM

[Russ]

Agreed but I think Harper looked better in his much fewer minutes where it’s much harder to get a flow in the game.

I want Harper to succeed way more than Flagg.

But minute -for -minute Flagg looked a bit more transformational.

[4lifecowboy]

Im pretty sure it's because of the hype Cooper gets. He feels he is the better player, i believe it was the McDonald's all American high school game, where Harper found a camera to scream "im the best one here!"

[mystargtr34]

One thing about Bryant is in 3 games he hasn’t even been able to get one easy dunk or layup. That’s criminal for a guy with his size and athleticism.

I’m not sure if it’s a lack of feel and being able to get in to those scoring positions on fast breaks or half court, or if it’s a lack of playmaking from teammates, or instructions from coaches to stay out on the perimeter and space the floor then get back in transition.

[4lifecowboy]

I want Harper to succeed way more than Flagg.

But minute -for -minute Flagg looked a bit more transformational.

The Mavericks featured Flagg.

[Dejounte]

Im pretty sure it's because of the hype Cooper gets. He feels he is the better player, i believe it was the McDonald's all American high school game, where Harper found a camera to scream "im the best one here!"

Kinda funny how fans respond to that when it’s a player they like or don’t like. Buzelis did the same and there was mixed reaction here. Scoot was trashed for it. Harper does it and it’s called confidence.

[sfernald]

I’m not worried about Bryant. His form is fine. Better teammates will find him open shots.

I love Dylan’s swagger and competitiveness. I can see he wasn’t happy about Cooper getting 31 pts. There was a shot of him shaking his head as Cooper shot a 3 and made it. But he played the “right way,” he said. “I played great.. I played the right way… ultimately win and that’s what we did.” I could be reading it too much, or he could be dismissing Cooper’s game high and a losing effort. I know Dylan believes he’s the better player.

I don’t know how long the Spurs would have Dylan coming off the bench, supposing that’s the Coaches’ decision. Because the kid is an alpha. He’s going to be the main PG of this team eventually and it’s just going to be a matter of time. And where Fox fits, I don’t know. Damn, Spurs have another superstar in the making. And nope, it’s not an “overreaction” after the 1st SL game :lol

it’s like it’s preordained: Wemby and Harper two future hall of famers, the perfect partners together, who are going to own the league for the next decade or so.

[John B]

Flagg and Dylan will always be tied together, ever since that 2024 Jordan Brand Classic, drafted 1
and 2, 1st SL against each other. Every matchup will be built up, like Magic vs Larry. I’m sure both would be great trying to top each other. I know Flagg is a better fit for the Spurs, but only because the Spurs already have Fox. But having Wemby/Castle/Harper is sure damn better than what Mavs Flagg/?? in the future.

[sfernald]

The Mavericks featured Flagg.

Exactly he got the LeBron special. Every bit of their gameplan was designed around him.

[Darkwaters]

I want Harper to succeed way more than Flagg.

But minute -for -minute Flagg looked a bit more transformational.

That's why never much of an argument over who the true #1 draft pick should be. It was always Flagg.

That said, there was never (much) argument over whether anybody other than Flagg should be above Harper. While he's below Flagg, he was always in a tier above the rest.

[Mr. Body]

One thing about Bryant is in 3 games he hasn’t even been able to get one easy dunk or layup. That’s criminal for a guy with his size and athleticism.

I’m not sure if it’s a lack of feel and being able to get in to those scoring positions on fast breaks or half court, or if it’s a lack of playmaking from teammates, or instructions from coaches to stay out on the perimeter and space the floor then get back in transition.

Probably a mix. He is getting stuck on the wings. But honestly his self-creation and ball-handling are kind of dogshit at this point. He couldn't get to the rim to save his life right now.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Ko6qHa_yg

[Mr. Body]

Kinda funny how fans respond to that when it’s a player they like or don’t like. Buzelis did the same and there was mixed reaction here. Scoot was trashed for it. Harper does it and it’s called confidence.

I don't like Harper being competitive with individual players, as that can get away from team goals, but don't think it's a big deal so far. Scoot was trying to prove things against Wemby as far as I remember, and that seems okay. The ish with Buzelis was calling out a different player in his draft, someone he'd never even met, and calling him a coward or whatever for not responding. That was weird.

[John B]

I don't like Harper being competitive with individual players, as that can get away from team goals, but don't think it's a big deal so far. Scoot was trying to prove things against Wemby as far as I remember, and that seems okay. The ish with Buzelis was calling out a different player in his draft, someone he'd never even met, and calling him a coward or whatever for not responding. That was weird.

I think Dylan is smart to know winning is better than individual stats. I feel he was dismissing Copper’s game high with himself playing the “right way” and winning the game. He’s a competitive alpha. What concerns me is how long can they hide him behind Fox, assuming that’s the decision. On paper, Dylan is great as the 6th man Manu. But even Manu had to reconcile with himself before truly embracing coming off the bench. I really hope Spurs win and go deep, which generally would be worth sacrificing individual accolades.