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ace3g
07-23-2025, 07:58 AM
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Free agent guard Lindy Waters III has agreed to a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, agents Shy Saee and Winston Nelson of Klutch Sports tell ESPN. Waters has shot 37% from 3 in his first four NBA seasons in Oklahoma City, Golden State and Detroit.

Spursfanfromafar
07-23-2025, 08:10 AM
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Free agent guard Lindy Waters III has agreed to a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, agents Shy Saee and Winston Nelson of Klutch Sports tell ESPN. Waters has shot 37% from 3 in his first four NBA seasons in Oklahoma City, Golden State and Detroit.

Not a fan of this signing. Mediocre defender, mediocre 3P shooter, poor scorer in terms of efficiency. He was okay with the Warriors but a disaster with the Pistons (albeit in limited minutes). Only thing going for him is low turnover rate and to some extent, an above-average steal rate. I guess there were slim pickings and thats why he was signed. But he has got a lot to prove if he has to stick to the team.

SpursFan86
07-23-2025, 08:13 AM
Meh. End of the bench spot so not really a big deal but probably would’ve just rather let DJG get a shot.

Have to imagine the last main spot goes to a big.

Darkwaters
07-23-2025, 08:19 AM
At least he won't demand any minutes. He's unlikely to get many other than in blowouts or veteran rest nights

Hey, it looks like he brings "Championship Experience" as he won the 2024 G-League championship :lol

John B
07-23-2025, 08:21 AM
Like the Spurs need another guard??

Chinook
07-23-2025, 08:24 AM
I think the Spurs are at 17 of 21 camp spots

Fox, Harper, McLaughlin
Vassell, Champangie, Waters, Jones-Garcia
Castle, Johnson, Bryant
Barnes, Sochan, Minix, Ingram
Wembanyama, Kornet, Olynyk

Two or three of those spots are probably going to be used to get assignees to the Toros. I'm a big fan of having guys compete in camp, but they don't really have the salary space to eat guaranteed money. The closest we might get is if Minix and Ingram get X-10 deals and compete for the final regular rotation spot. If that gets the Spurs a final two-way spot, I'd still like it to go to a center. Maybe they could sign a couple of summer-league bigs to X-10 deals and let the winner get the two-way and the loser go to the Toros.

Chinook
07-23-2025, 08:27 AM
Like the Spurs need another guard??

They only had five on the regular rotation, so they actually did have room.

Have the Spurs been bad for so long that folks don't remember what a deep bench is? Folks have been talking about the last few signings like they don't.

99 Problems
07-23-2025, 08:33 AM
:bobo

Leetonidas
07-23-2025, 08:36 AM
Meh

ginobilized
07-23-2025, 09:15 AM
Very Spurs-like move. 6'6" 3&D prototype, 6'10" wingspan, Native-American and a rights activist, former DoorDash driver who once dropped 34 for the Dubs.
He should help make training camp, and the season, more competitive for Castle, Champagne, Harper and Vassell. Fells like a Pop kind of move.Gotta be a dog to get where he has gotten.

I don't hate it.

montgod
07-23-2025, 09:17 AM
Very Spurs-like move. 6'6" 3&D prototype, 6'10" wingspan, Native-American and a rights activist, former DoorDash driver who once dropped 34 for the Dubs.
He should help make training camp, and the season, more competitive for Castle, Champagne, Harper and Vassell. Fells like a Pop kind of move.Gotta be a dog to get where he has gotten.

I don't hate it.

Yeah, I agree - was thinking they would go taller and a better 3p% like Coffey. End of bench guy, he'll work.

Here is another write-up on Waters that goes with what you stated -

Lindy Waters is known for his competitive and disruptive defense, particularly as a wing player, with a reported 6-foot-10 wingspan. While not an "all-world" defender, he competes well and doesn't hurt his team on that end of the floor. He's been described as a solid defensive player with the agility of a guard and the length of a wing, getting into passing lanes and disrupting plays according to Golden State Of Mind. His defensive rating has varied slightly year-to-year, but he's known for his hustle and ability to make an impact on that end of the court

buttsR4rebounding
07-23-2025, 09:27 AM
Do we know for sure that this isn't a training camp deal?

sfernald
07-23-2025, 09:28 AM
Yeah, I agree - was thinking they would go taller and a better 3p% like Coffey. End of bench guy, he'll work.

Here is another write-up on Waters that goes with what you stated -

Lindy Waters is known for his competitive and disruptive defense, particularly as a wing player, with a reported 6-foot-10 wingspan. While not an "all-world" defender, he competes well and doesn't hurt his team on that end of the floor. He's been described as a solid defensive player with the agility of a guard and the length of a wing, getting into passing lanes and disrupting plays according to Golden State Of Mind. His defensive rating has varied slightly year-to-year, but he's known for his hustle and ability to make an impact on that end of the court

Watched him a lot in Okc. He is one of the great Okc developmental stories like Dort who came from
nothing. You will like him. Has a great attitude, can shoot and will be a fan favorite. A real hustle guy. Maybe this signing helps make up for the whole Alamo thing haha.

Probsbly doesn’t really move the needle tho.

TimDunkem
07-23-2025, 09:32 AM
Like the Spurs need another guard??

Another retarded John B post.

Do you understand that the guard spots have room for 6? That players get in foul trouble, or get injured? Does your brain factory reset every summer? Act like you have watched NBA basketball before. :lol

dn0774
07-23-2025, 09:43 AM
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Free agent guard Lindy Waters III has agreed to a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, agents Shy Saee and Winston Nelson of Klutch Sports tell ESPN. Waters has shot 37% from 3 in his first four NBA seasons in Oklahoma City, Golden State and Detroit.

Yea, that's why.

Mnky
07-23-2025, 09:48 AM
Good end of bench insurance. Seems like all the most recent moves are giving them tons of flexibility to make a move should it open up. Spurs are usually in trade rumors for bait but there will likely be a lot of legs on the rumors this year.

They really are making great moves to that end.

Darkwaters
07-23-2025, 09:57 AM
I wonder if this is like the Malachi Flynn signing last season. He's a vet that may or may not make an NBA roster next season. Send him to camp and see if he shows out.

Worst case he's an assignee to Austin and adds more talent to that organization. Best case he actually shows enough talent to fill a need on the big roster.

itzsoweezee
07-23-2025, 10:02 AM
Another Klutch guy? That can’t be a coincidence. How many is that now, including staff?

exstatic
07-23-2025, 10:10 AM
I wonder if this is like the Malachi Flynn signing last season. He's a vet that may or may not make an NBA roster next season. Send him to camp and see if he shows out.

Worst case he's an assignee to Austin and adds more talent to that organization. Best case he actually shows enough talent to fill a need on the big roster.having three NBA season under his belt, I doubt he ever goes to Austin.

exstatic
07-23-2025, 10:12 AM
Another Klutch guy? That can’t be a coincidence. How many is that now, including staff?

They got us Fox for 25 cents on the dollar. We can throw them a few minimum contracts for end of benchers.

Mugen
07-23-2025, 10:13 AM
Another Klutch guy? That can’t be a coincidence. How many is that now, including staff?

They're a major, major player in the NBA now and have been for a while. I'd rather work with them than against them tbh.

rjv
07-23-2025, 10:20 AM
as long as he knows how to wave a towel, i'm fine with it.

jjspur
07-23-2025, 10:35 AM
I would have preferred someone like Jordan Miller from the clippers organization, but he'll be an end of bench guy, so meh. Hope he can play defense even as as 14th - 15th guy.

Knoxxx
07-23-2025, 10:37 AM
Doesn’t 37% make him our second best 3 PT shooter?

Obstructed_View
07-23-2025, 10:58 AM
Spurs will likely keep one no-name who can hit threes. Camp and preseason should be fun for the gunners.

RC_Drunkford
07-23-2025, 11:04 AM
Don't mind the signing as the 14th man on the roster tbh. Seems like he's better than Branham.


Another Klutch guy? That can’t be a coincidence. How many is that now, including staff?

Klutch is helping the Spurs. That's a good thing. With LeBron being out of the league soon, it's smart on their part to get close to Wemby. I don't mind them routing players and assistants to our team.

Darkwaters
07-23-2025, 11:06 AM
having three NBA season under his belt, I doubt he ever goes to Austin.

Malachi Flynn had four NBA seasons under his belt yet spent last season in Austin.

TD 21
07-23-2025, 11:19 AM
with the final two spots going to another C and a guard/wing shooter.

Thought it would be more of a true "laser" than him, who is closer to a 3 and D guard/wing.

He's fine for a deep bench player though and typical Spurs, who even when they finally sign a shooter, don't exactly prioritize shooting, if that makes sense.

ChumpDumper
07-23-2025, 11:22 AM
Malachi Flynn had four NBA seasons under his belt yet spent last season in Austin.
Flynn was never on the regular season roster as a full or a two-way player.

I'd be a little surprised if this is more than a training camp contract.

BatManu20
07-23-2025, 11:34 AM
Very Spurs-like move. 6'6" 3&D prototype, 6'10" wingspan, Native-American and a rights activist, former DoorDash driver who once dropped 34 for the Dubs.
He should help make training camp, and the season, more competitive for Castle, Champagne, Harper and Vassell. Fells like a Pop kind of move.Gotta be a dog to get where he has gotten.

I don't hate it.

Explains why Pop wanted him tbh.

Dverde
07-23-2025, 11:43 AM
This feels like the Spurs doing a favor for Kerr like when Bud signed Forbes when he was with the Bucks.

BatManu20
07-23-2025, 11:43 AM
Tbt.

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FireMicoHalili
07-23-2025, 11:46 AM
Don't mind the signing as the 14th man on the roster tbh. Seems like he's better than Branham.



Klutch is helping the Spurs. That's a good thing. With LeBron being out of the league soon, it's smart on their part to get close to Wemby. I don't mind them routing players and assistants to our team.
Help? May I ask for clarification how Lindy signing with the Spurs is help? I’m not sure what they’re doing with the Lakers classifies as such and is good precedent. All the agency cares about is their longevity and optimal contracts for their players. Would really love for them to stay AWAY from Wemby as much as possible.

Ice009
07-23-2025, 12:07 PM
Tbt.

1760000748744491198

lol. That's f#cked up. He said he wouldn't take a guilt free hall pass and that he wants only one wife (her), and then she was immediately ready to take multiple hall passes. I feel bad for that dude. Barry Sanders, I didn't even think she'd know who he was.

Leetonidas
07-23-2025, 12:15 PM
Tbt.

1760000748744491198

:lol what the fuck. That poor guy

Mugen
07-23-2025, 12:24 PM
:lol pour one out for my guy tbh

Degoat
07-23-2025, 12:26 PM
Would have rather brought Lonnie Walker back tbh

callo1
07-23-2025, 12:34 PM
Great point on Lonnie.

Cabrito
07-23-2025, 12:39 PM
The Spurs signed Jaren Jackson back in 96 and he was the true definition of a journeyman. He stuck around for four years and ended up being important during our championship run. Lindy likely won’t amount to anything in SA but these guys that scratch and claw to stay in the league are appreciated with winning cultures.

Dverde
07-23-2025, 12:41 PM
Would have rather brought Lonnie Walker back tbh
So he can whine about his playing time again?

John B
07-23-2025, 12:46 PM
I guess I would trust the FO to bring another Danny Green or Bruce Bowen who spent time with other teams before finding a home with the Spurs.

Personally I thought they are thin in the SF position, with Vassell really more of a SG. Keldon defensive suspect, and Bryant still wet behind the ears. But Lindy 6’10 reach people say he defends more like a SF than guards.

scott
07-23-2025, 01:30 PM
Would have rather signed Malachi Flynn, but I'm not gonna stress too much over the guy taking over Branham's towel waiver spot

ChumpDumper
07-23-2025, 01:43 PM
Flynn already signed with a Turkish club.

Brandon Boston Jr. is a free agent who actually played pretty decently last season.

Russ
07-23-2025, 02:35 PM
I'd rather have Maxime Raynaud.

Bruno
07-23-2025, 02:43 PM
Do we know if his contract is guaranteed ?

It seems Spurs won't add a shooting microwave scorer at the end of the bench. I thought it would help them but maybe Spurs don't want to reduce even more Keldon's role with the team.

With McLaughlin and Waters at the end of their bench, Spurs will have a couple of pure role players who should do their job, but, who won't certainly put pressure on the rest of the rotation to take playing time and offensive touches from them.

Ice009
07-23-2025, 02:48 PM
Flynn already signed with a Turkish club.

Brandon Boston Jr. is a free agent who actually played pretty decently last season.

I kept an eye on Brandon Boston Jr. part way through last season. He was playing well from what I saw (I thought the Spurs may have made a mistake letting him go?). How did he finish the season? Surprised if he's still a free agent. Thought he might have gotten a contract with NO.

heyheymymy
07-23-2025, 04:24 PM
Keeping expectations realistic but this guy is a shooter. Was also hoping for Coffey caliber players like others here but I think it's a matter of anyone better or more established might not want to accept such a limited role. Waters III will likely rarely even dress out.

Uriel
07-23-2025, 07:21 PM
Feels like a quid pro quo with Klutch, signing one of their clients in exchange for all the services they’ve provided over the years.

cutewizard
07-23-2025, 07:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7tyJPT-HsE

tonight...you
07-23-2025, 07:27 PM
Tbt.

1760000748744491198
Dude just got cucked by future wife on camera without sex... yet.
I don't look forward to his future with her.

"That's crazy"

spurraider21
07-23-2025, 07:44 PM
i dont know much about him, but from his highlights its at least apparent that he is quite comfortable shooting on the move

scott
07-23-2025, 07:58 PM
He scored 11 pts against us when he was with GSW last season, and I remember commenting in the game thread "we're getting beat by whatever a Lindy Waters is"

We ended up coming back and winning that game though, outscoring GSW by 20 in the 4th quarter to win by 10. I believe that was the game early in the season where Castle shut Curry down and got us all hyped over Castle's D... and then Castle's D got worse and worse from that point on as he picked up more offensive responsibility.

SPURt
07-23-2025, 11:14 PM
I like this signing, next year is gonna be crazy defensively

cutewizard
07-24-2025, 05:02 AM
The shooting drills will be fun

ginobilized
07-24-2025, 10:56 AM
I'm definitely looking at the bright side and like Waters more than Branham already, without playing one second for us yet.He seems much more useful to us and makes me wonder if the Spurs are going to try some 4 & 5-out lineups. That would be a radical change from the Pop mentality.

The talent and IQ has improved so much. That's very good news to me.

ace3g
07-24-2025, 11:34 AM
https://x.com/spurs/status/1948420667822522712

RC_Drunkford
07-24-2025, 11:39 AM
Help? May I ask for clarification how Lindy signing with the Spurs is help? I’m not sure what they’re doing with the Lakers classifies as such and is good precedent. All the agency cares about is their longevity and optimal contracts for their players. Would really love for them to stay AWAY from Wemby as much as possible.

I‘m not talking about the Waters signing, I‘m talking in general. Sweeney is managed by Klutch as are Mitch Johnson and Brian Wright.

ace3g
07-24-2025, 11:39 AM
Linton Johnson III will be proud of the jersey number.

Arguendo
07-24-2025, 01:47 PM
Not a fan of this signing. Mediocre defender, mediocre 3P shooter, poor scorer in terms of efficiency. He was okay with the Warriors but a disaster with the Pistons (albeit in limited minutes). Only thing going for him is low turnover rate and to some extent, an above-average steal rate. I guess there were slim pickings and thats why he was signed. But he has got a lot to prove if he has to stick to the team.
Never seen him play, never heard of him, no draft profile I can find online, no true measurements I can find online, looks like he wasn't a combine invite.
But we are talking about a 15th man. Mediocre on a minimum deal is what your going to get.

As to mediocre 3P%...not based on his stats.
In the NBA he's above average of 3%, .366 across 156 games in 4 seasons @ 13.2mpg, taking 82.0% of all shots from 3. Crazy high volume 3pt shooter.
Over his first 3 seasons he shot 37.7%, taking almost 85% of his shots from 3, and for Detroit he shot 39.5% on over 86% of shots from 3. He had 2 bad games where he went 0-11 for GSW in late December that dragged his 3% away down. He shot 36.6% last yr outside of those 2 games, but he's still above average 3% shooter in the NBA as a deep bench guy over all 4 yrs.

In college, he shot 39.0% over 4 seasons taking over 50% of shots from 3, and well above 40% over his first 3 yrs there.
In the G-league, 43.3% from 3 over 39 games taking almost 65% of his shots from 3.

Of course he's a mediocre NBA player, that's every 15th man (at best), but he's worked to get into the NBA, to have a 4+ season career, and he is a crazy volume 3pt% with above avg 3% in the NBA, good to very good 3pt% in college, and flat out great 3pt% in the G-league.

Undrafted dudes that aren't invited to the combine don't just get 4 year careers plus another contract. He worked his ass off to get where he's at. I'd much rather have that than a dude that's only still in the league because he was a 1st rounder.
We have 6 guys 24 or younger that need development time (plus Vassell and Keldon plus Ingram & DJG & maybe Minix), we didn't need another 22 y/o project, there's no minutes on the NBA roster. Use the two-ways for that kind of guy (or the last roster spot).
He's a guy that will be happy to get 12mpg in 35-40 games, and it shouldn't surprise anyone if he comes in and knocks down 38+% of his 3s taking 3s almost exclusively, like he did his last yr in OKC and last yr in Det. Sure likely limited upside, but I bet he'll be great in the locker room and he can currently fill that very deep bench slot better than others with more potential and he won't sulk about PT. Not blown away by this but certainly not as disappointed as you seem to be.

Limguogolo
07-24-2025, 04:03 PM
- Our roster is almost full. You'll have no guarantee of playing.
- That's fine with me.
- Depending on events during the season, there's a good chance you'll be used in a trade.
- That's fine with me.
- Until then, we need you to demonstrate the best possible attitude during the team setup so that the new players integrate as smoothly as possible into the team, but also into the environment. You'll have to serve as an example for them during their first steps as a professional. You've been in the league, we know you well. We expect the same from you.
- I was aware of that, and I agree.
- You'll have access to all our facilities, you'll be able to work individually. Situation is clear, but players in the same situation as you have also found playing time depending on the circumstances.
- That's why I'm here, and I thank you for the trust and the opportunity.
- We'll also expect you to get involved in community life. It's very important in San Antonio, especially in these times. Don't say anything: we know you. Do you play chess?
- Like the rest of the NBA, I've taken it up in recent months.
- What's your Elo?
- My... hello?... Hmm. "Hi."
- High? Good.
- No, sorry, what is it?
- You're honest. I like it.
- I try to be.
- To the point of refusing to give us certain informations about OKC?
- I can also give you some about... Detroit.
- Ah, ah! I like that humor.
- ...
- ... Yeah, actually, even Detroit interests me.
- You won't be disappointed.
- You've got the job.

scott
07-24-2025, 04:39 PM
For these 14th and 15th roster spots, there are really only 3 directions you can go:

1. Young potential - This can take a few different forms. Late FRP. SRP. A free agent who shows flashes, etc. Blake and Bran have been these guys for us of late.
2. Experienced role player - Pretty self explanatory. The Lonnie Walker, Mamus of the world kind of fill this category. I'd put Lindy Waters here as well.
3. Grizzled vet - This is where your Kevin Love and Bismack Biyombo's fall

Waters is Group 2. I think we'll probably go group 3 with the last roster spot unless a real rotation player should come available. I don't think we are interested in Group 1 because we have 4 guys on rookie contracts who are starters or major parts of our rotation (Sochan, Wemby, Castle, Harper) and another who is a group 1 guy who is just outside of that core rotation group (Bryant).

mudyez
07-24-2025, 04:41 PM
What where the chances we would sign a LW# thats not Lonny Walker IV?

cutewizard
07-24-2025, 06:48 PM
For these 14th and 15th roster spots, there are really only 3 directions you can go:

1. Young potential - This can take a few different forms. Late FRP. SRP. A free agent who shows flashes, etc. Blake and Bran have been these guys for us of late.
2. Experienced role player - Pretty self explanatory. The Lonnie Walker, Mamus of the world kind of fill this category. I'd put Lindy Waters here as well.
3. Grizzled vet - This is where your Kevin Love and Bismack Biyombo's fall

Waters is Group 2. I think we'll probably go group 3 with the last roster spot unless a real rotation player should come available. I don't think we are interested in Group 1 because we have 4 guys on rookie contracts who are starters or major parts of our rotation (Sochan, Wemby, Castle, Harper) and another who is a group 1 guy who is just outside of that core rotation group (Bryant).

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Sir, would Kevin Love fit us at this time?

ace3g
07-25-2025, 07:40 PM
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Update: The San Antonio Spurs signed Lindy Waters to a one-year, partially guaranteed deal worth $500K, sources told Hoopshype
. Waters is a career 37% 3-point shooter over his four NBA seasons combined with the Oklahoma City Thunder, Golden State Warriors, and Detroit Pistons.

Spurs Brazil
07-26-2025, 12:23 PM
https://x.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1949143626698621182

Bruno
07-26-2025, 03:50 PM
Waters contract being $500K guaranteed is really interesting.

$500K is 34 days of salary for Waters. Spurs will have the preseason and a "free" month" to evaluate him and Jones-Garcia before making a choice about keeping Waters and/or upgrading Jones-Garcia to a full contract.

Biggems
07-26-2025, 07:30 PM
Waters contract being $500K guaranteed is really interesting.

$500K is 34 days of salary for Waters. Spurs will have the preseason and a "free" month" to evaluate him and Jones-Garcia before making a choice about keeping Waters and/or upgrading Jones-Garcia to a full contract.

The way contracts are in today's NBA, 500K
is basically free.

RC_Drunkford
07-27-2025, 05:17 AM
that's a great contract. Not that it really matters, but still saves them some bread

Ice009
07-27-2025, 08:49 AM
Waters contract being $500K guaranteed is really interesting.

$500K is 34 days of salary for Waters. Spurs will have the preseason and a "free" month" to evaluate him and Jones-Garcia before making a choice about keeping Waters and/or upgrading Jones-Garcia to a full contract.

So he gets 500K if he's waived/released before January 10th? Isn't that more than 34 days, or do you mean days as in 34 game days?

Bruno
07-27-2025, 03:38 PM
So he gets 500K if he's waived/released before January 10th? Isn't that more than 34 days, or do you mean days as in 34 game days?

A player, without a guaranteed salary, cost 1/174th of his yearly salary for each day he is with the team. That's because the season is 174 days long.

Waters III salary for the season is about $2.5M with $500K guaranteed and become fully guaranteed, as all other contracts, on January 10th.

There will have basically 3 periods regarding his possible waiving:
- From now to late November (34 days after the start of the season): He will receive $500K. Spurs have no financial incentives to waive him before late November since his salary is already paid by the guaranteed part of his contract.
- From late November to January 10th: He will received the prorated amount of his contract. It will raise by about $14K each day to go from $500K to about $1.2M.
- After January 10th: He will received his full salary of $2.5M.

FireMicoHalili
07-27-2025, 06:36 PM
I‘m not talking about the Waters signing, I‘m talking in general. Sweeney is managed by Klutch as are Mitch Johnson and Brian Wright.
Point still stands regardless. Feels like the agency wants to link up with Wemby. They have considerable leverage with the Lakers.

exstatic
07-27-2025, 06:51 PM
Point still stands regardless. Feels like the agency wants to link up with Wemby. They have considerable leverage with the Lakers.

I would say that is a thing of the past. LA seems perfectly willing to punt this season, and maybe next in order to hit the 2026/2027 FA classes, and that has royally pissed of LeBron, who doesn’t have much time left in the league. He wants them to improve the team now, and they’re not listening.

I would absolutely love a LeBron revenge tour where he and Klutch divert top FAs away from the Lakers for a decade or so.

TimmyBuckets
07-27-2025, 08:34 PM
I would say that is a thing of the past. LA seems perfectly willing to punt this season, and maybe next in order to hit the 2026/2027 FA classes, and that has royally pissed of LeBron, who doesn’t have much time left in the league. He wants them to improve the team now, and they’re not listening.

I would absolutely love a LeBron revenge tour where he and Klutch divert top FAs away from the Lakers for a decade or so.

AS can make a deal to put Luka in LA but can't force him to stay. Unlikely LA can afford to punt anything anymore. They need to be in constant win now mode with Luka there.

FireMicoHalili
07-28-2025, 05:43 AM
I would say that is a thing of the past. LA seems perfectly willing to punt this season, and maybe next in order to hit the 2026/2027 FA classes, and that has royally pissed of LeBron, who doesn’t have much time left in the league. He wants them to improve the team now, and they’re not listening.

I would absolutely love a LeBron revenge tour where he and Klutch divert top FAs away from the Lakers for a decade or so.
They pull stunts like this, which was my entire point. Just trying to point out they've been digging their claws into the organization. Fox, Waters, Sweeney, Johnson, and apparently Wright too.

exstatic
07-28-2025, 06:31 AM
They pull stunts like this, which was my entire point. Just trying to point out they've been digging their claws into the organization. Fox, Waters, Sweeney, Johnson, and apparently Wright too.

We work with them without letting them run the whole show like the Lakers did. I think it started with the Marcus Morris debacle. They dropped him as a client after that.

We have a player they really want to put their guys with in Wemby. That’s a powerful amount of leverage, enough to get us Fox for 25 cents on the dollar.

exstatic
07-28-2025, 06:35 AM
AS can make a deal to put Luka in LA but can't force him to stay. Unlikely LA can afford to punt anything anymore. They need to be in constant win now mode with Luka there.

They had private meetings with Luka to which LeBron wasn’t invited. Luka knows exactly what is going on. He’s also not 40, and at the end of the line. He can wait for them to build.

FireMicoHalili
07-28-2025, 07:23 AM
We work with them without letting them run the whole show like the Lakers did. I think it started with the Marcus Morris debacle. They dropped him as a client after that.

We have a player they really want to put their guys with in Wemby. That’s a powerful amount of leverage, enough to get us Fox for 25 cents on the dollar.
Just hoping it doesn't go sideways at this point, generational talent in tow and all. Not saying Klutch is acting with malice, just not a fan of how they do business.

RC_Drunkford
07-28-2025, 08:43 AM
Point still stands regardless. Feels like the agency wants to link up with Wemby. They have considerable leverage with the Lakers.

how when the Lakers don’t give 2 fucks about LeBron and he wants to leave? The only leverage Klutch got is LeBron leverage and he‘s 40.

Klutch made the Fox deal happen, not Brian Wright. That was like 80% Rich Paul.

exstatic
07-28-2025, 08:48 AM
Just hoping it doesn't go sideways at this point, generational talent in tow and all. Not saying Klutch is acting with malice, just not a fan of how they do business.

One of LAs problems was that the owner of Klutch was in their locker room.

FireMicoHalili
07-28-2025, 06:18 PM
One of LAs problems was that the owner of Klutch was in their locker room.
But the coaches and the general manager being affiliated with Klutch isn’t? Are they not in close proximity with the players too?

FireMicoHalili
07-28-2025, 06:22 PM
how when the Lakers don’t give 2 fucks about LeBron and he wants to leave? The only leverage Klutch got is LeBron leverage and he‘s 40.

Klutch made the Fox deal happen, not Brian Wright. That was like 80% Rich Paul.
Yeah it’s those antics (LeBron pulling off that drama) I want the team to avoid. I mean at some point organizations will have to deal with agencies like Klutch, I’m just hoping there are checks in place to avoid handing them considerable sway within the organization. Apparently the general manager is already affiliated with Klutch.

ace3g
07-28-2025, 06:31 PM
He does share a birthday with Manu.

exstatic
07-28-2025, 08:44 PM
But the coaches and the general manager being affiliated with Klutch isn’t? Are they not in close proximity with the players too?

They don’t own or run Klutch. You’re trying to compare the CEO of USAA, and policy holders.