The Nonchalant attitude of our team today sucks

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Everyone has played down this game because "Manu's out."

That's bullshit. The Spurs should have gone in there today and destroyed Detroit without Manu - that would have been one helluva statement.

Instead we're treated to a team that looks like it doesn't give a damn about being there today.

Total disappointment.

Thanks to Nazr for showing up today in the second half when he got time, at least it looked like *someone* wanted to play today.

[E20]

Ahem.

It's Decemeber it don't mean anything. No one should hang over it too much :lol

[SequSpur]

STFU...........

The Spurs are flying home today wearing their championship rings........

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Nazr really showed up. Thanks for the rebounding. It really helped.

Oh wait...

[tp9manu20]

same thing...blah blah attitude this sucks!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

STFU...........

The Spurs are flying home today wearing their championship rings........

:lmao

Yeah, but being the champions in June of 2006 is what's important now.

I'm glad Pop said he'd be able to get the team's attention if they lost today's game.

Oh...and Free The Kiwi!

[E20]

Nazr really showed up. Thanks for the rebounding. It really helped.

Oh wait...

8 points
5 rebounds
16 minutes

Next to Timmy's 11 it looks good.

[Kori Ellis]

My only positive note from today is that Bowen still owns Rip.

Pathetic effort on the glass by the Spurs all around though. That's what did them in.

Congrats to the Pistons.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Ahem.

It's Decemeber it don't mean anything. :lol

That is a horrible way to look at it. It would have made it easier to catch the Pistons for Home Court Advantage at somepoint this season. Lets not forget how big Home Court Advantage was in last years finals.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Nazr really showed up. Thanks for the rebounding. It really helped.

Oh wait...

You mean Rasho??

[Kori Ellis]

Oh .. and Finley/Barry sucked ass today.

[E20]

That is a horrible way to look at it. It would have made it easier to catch the Pistons for Home Court Advantage at somepoint this season. Lets not forget how big Home Court Advantage was in last years finals.

Everybody has been giving the December talk and it's just a game BS. Next thing to do is suck it up, Spurs beat the Pistons at home and then try to get a better record than the Pistons and HCA is locked up. Easier said than done though/

[T Park]

Oh...and Free The Kiwi!

No thanks.

Waive the 13th man.



Instead we're treated to a team that looks like it doesn't give a damn about being there today

I wouldnt either.

Playing a meaningless game in Detroit on Christmas day is a pretty crappy way to spend it.

[2centsworth]

MANHANDLED. They slapped the spurs around on the boards.

[T Park]

Barry sucked ass today.

What else is new.

He did his usual hot potato with the ball bs.


It would have made it easier to catch the Pistons for Home Court Advantage at somepoint this season.

there is 54 games to go.

Thats not enough to catch up in 4 in the loss column?? lol.

alrighty.

[SequSpur]

The Spurs record is Fool's fucking gold. They are being Owned by the Eastern Conference.

They suck ass. Tim Duncan is a fool and I am calling him out right now.

He is playing like a pussy. I don't give a shit how many rings he has, he is getting owned.

Pop is a tool. No one on this team knows what their role is. Parker can't shoot, Bowen isn't stopping anyone, Rasho is pitiful, Beno is still on the team :lol, Manu is now become every other month manu......

WTF? Represent a fucking champion already............

Spurs suck.

[T Park]

^^ LOL

typical stupidity from the village idiot.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

What else is new.

He did his usual hot potato with the ball bs.



there is 54 games to go.

Thats not enough to catch up in 4 in the loss column?? lol.

alrighty.

for a team that has lost 3 out of 25 games. I'd imagine its going to be pretty tough.

[Budkin]

We need Nazr to start again. He was a rebounding machine last season.

[ALVAREZ6]

The Spurs just played a 7 game series with Detroit last finals, and they still don't know how to fuckin box out. I don't know if they've noticed yet, but the Pistons grab every single loose ball throughout the entire game. They had like 90 offensive rebounds.
It took Pop a whole half to put Nazr in. . . fuckin idiot.

The Spurs looked like a bunch of slackers. They didn't rebound, they didn't contest shots that they should have...I remember Horry just standing there as McDyess shoots over him...Antonio pulled up and Horry was like fuck it and turned around.



Disappointing....

[2centsworth]

for a team that has lost 3 out of 25 games. I'd imagine its going to be pretty tough.

Pistons have a great shot a 70wins.

[ALVAREZ6]

You didn't stand a chance...

If any spurs fans even thought they had a chance was either on drugs or dreaming...

Wow a 15 point spanking!!
On any normal day, even without Ginobili, the Spurs would have won. Today they just jerked off all game.

[SequSpur]

Alvarez,

Nazr, Horry, Rasho and the new Duncan all got fucking owned in the paint.

[2centsworth]

Alvarez,

Nazr, Horry, Rasho and the new Duncan all got fucking owned in the paint.
bitch slapped.

[Budkin]

For a team that has had a number of signifigant injuries and different rotations our record is not too bad. I just wish we could come out and play with energy. We seem to have nothing to play for. I still fully expect us to start rolling in the second half of the season as we always do.

[ALVAREZ6]

Alvarez,

Nazr, Horry, Rasho and the new Duncan all got fucking owned in the paint.
No shit.



They do every single game vs. Detroit.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Alvarez,

Nazr, Horry, Rasho and the new Duncan all got fucking owned in the paint.

I agree, Tim is playing like garbage. I don't know how much is due to injury, but he's supposed to be one of the top 2 dominant players in the league and he's getting blocked and stripped by Rasheed Wallace multiple times in the 4th quarter???

[T Park]

It took Pop a whole half to put Nazr in. . . fuckin idiot.



Yeah, oughtta bring a new guy in.

This current coach aint getting it done.

[boutons]

"I'd imagine its going to be pretty tough."

And the Spurs haven't lost their 5 annual games due to Tim getting hurt after 1 Jan like he has the past 3 years.

Making up 4 Ls on the Pistons is going to be very hard, unless the Pistons get bit real bad by the injury bug. I don't think the Pistons are going to get bit by Spurs-dont-give-a-shit bug.

The Pistons season RPG is actually negitive, but today it's +27.

[2centsworth]

balh blah blah...

Manu or no manu...

You don't stand a chance no matter what!
Spurs=Defending Champs on the court, Detroit=Champs in their own minds.

Take pleasure in the moral victory because your team couldn't do it when it counted.

[texbumTHElife]

Its not the end of the world but once again its another team making a statement against us. I know this team usually sleep walks through the first half of the season but this may be the year it really gets them. The Mavericks look stronger than they ever did under Harris and the Pistons show no signs of missing Larry Brown.

The worst part is that it all seems to be a lack of effort. I would be fine if we just hadnt found our shooting touch yet but they just dont look like they care at all. They are lazy at getting in position on offense and defense. They arent committed to rebounding or playing defense.

Tim Duncan looks more like Dirk right now. His offense is dictating his defense. When his shot is going he gives effort on D. When its not he is lazy and distracted and gives poor effort.

All of this could very well be corrected when it really matters but IMO the division (Dallas) is too close now for us to be just giving games away.

[E20]

I agree, Tim is playing like garbage. I don't know how much is due to injury, but he's supposed to be one of the top 2 dominant players in the league and he's getting blocked and stripped by Rasheed Wallace multiple times in the 4th quarter???

I don't beleive Tim is injured, if his injury is affecting his game, then please don't play the next 4 games and stop dunking the ball.

[T Park]

I agree, Tim is playing like garbage. I don't know how much is due to injury, but he's supposed to be one of the top 2 dominant players in the league and he's getting blocked and stripped by Rasheed Wallace multiple times in the 4th quarter???

Someone prob didnt tell you.

That Rasheed is pretty good defensively.

Watch the film of last year's Finals.

[ALVAREZ6]

I agree, Tim is playing like garbage. I don't know how much is due to injury, but he's supposed to be one of the top 2 dominant players in the league and he's getting blocked and stripped by Rasheed Wallace multiple times in the 4th quarter???
I've noticed that Tim gets blocked/stripped by Wallace every single time hes in the post and he goes back to his right side...which means he's turning to Rasheed's right hand, and the ball will be closer to Rasheed because Tim is right handed.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

I still see Miami beating Detroit in the playoffs.

[T Park]

I don't beleive Tim is injured, if his injury is affecting his game, then please don't play the next too games and stop dunking the ball

ahh

well your the team doctor, you WOULD KNOW if Duncan is injured or not.

lol

what a stupid comment.

[ALVAREZ6]

Well anyways, how many of you guys laughed at that MAurice Evans 4 to 1 break and bricks a dunk???? :lmao :lmao :lmao


He wasn't even close, he got owned by the backboard.

[ALVAREZ6]

I still see Miami beating Detroit in the playoffs.
That's what I'm hoping for.

[dougp]

Man, Kori ... why don't you rename the boards already? The SpursHatersAndFanFakersTalk.com boards ... you fuckers are pathetic ... WE LOST. Do you like working on Christmas? Enjoy being away from your family? Having a friend sitting out injured?

BOO FUCKIN HOO we lost a game, we'll make up for it.

Today I saw Duncan DUNK more than I have in awhile, off of his injured foot ... that's a good thing. Parker WTFOWNED them in the paint. Finley & Barry, played like crap - oh well, are they not allowed to have off days? You guys seem to want 150% out of them all the time. I know, when I work holidays, I hate it ... can't imagine doing it somewhere else that I'm not comfortable in.

P.S. Bowen == DPOY

[E20]

ahh

well your the team doctor, you WOULD KNOW if Duncan is injured or not.

lol

what a stupid comment.
If you're injured it's not very smart to play on an injury. And with Duncan jumping using his injured foot it will get worse. Stupid part on the 'doctor' for letting him play. It is December right now so why not give Duncan another month to heal, he needs 4 months of rest from what was orginally ankle problems to foot problems.

Duncan's injury is BS.

[2centsworth]

I still see Miami beating Detroit in the playoffs.
i don't see it.

[texbumTHElife]

I have never heard fans of any other team use "injuries" as an excuse as much as Spurs fans seem to. Every time Manu has a bad game or Duncan goes into a funk its some mysterious injury.

[SequSpur]

I am going to give credit to the argument that the Spurs are the Fucking Champs and if they have to play on Christmas, it shoulda been in their house.

[ALVAREZ6]

I am going to give credit to the argument that the Spurs are the Fucking Champs and if they have to play on Christmas, it shoulda been in their house.
Yeah, WTF was that. Why was this game in Whore-Town?

[texbumTHElife]

I am going to give credit to the argument that the Spurs are the Fucking Champs and if they have to play on Christmas, it shoulda been in their house.


No f'n doubt. While watching this game I kept thinking to myself, "Didnt we win the ring last year and not the Pistons?"

[T Park]

I am going to give credit to the argument that the Spurs are the Fucking Champs and if they have to play on Christmas, it shoulda been in their house

THANK YOU.

I agree 100% this game shouldve been played here today.

We won the goddamn ring, make Detroit play HERE.



If you're injured it's not very smart to play on an injury. And with Duncan jumping using his injured foot it will get worse. Stupid part on the 'doctor' for letting him play. It is December right now so why not give Duncan another month to heal, he needs 4 months of rest from what was orginally ankle problems to foot problems

Ill say again, read stuff before you talk out of your ass.

The doctors have said, he wont get a whole lot better sitting.

He wont get a whole lot worse playing.

So might as well play.

On to Indiana.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

i don't see it.

I believe if Wade and Shaq are healthy, they have a great chance. I think that Wade and Manu are the 2 guys who mean so much in terms of beating the Pistons.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't want to hear Tparks or anyone elses excuses. Right now the team that was supposed to win 72 is going to be lucky to get to 62 unless they get their act together.

[SequSpur]

The Spurs lost 3 games this week and I put them all on Tim Duncan.

He needs to step up.

[T Park]

I have never heard fans of any other team use "injuries" as an excuse as much as Spurs fans seem to. Every time Manu has a bad game or Duncan goes into a funk its some mysterious injury.

So Ginobili not playing today didnt mean anything??

Mysterious injury??

Uhhh well

Duncan has Plantar Fascitis, is that too "mysterious" for you??

[E20]

THANK YOU.

I agree 100% this game shouldve been played here today.

We won the goddamn ring, make Detroit play HERE.




Ill say again, read stuff before you talk out of your ass.

The doctors have said, he wont get a whole lot better sitting.

He wont get a whole lot worse playing.

So might as well play.

On to Indiana.


Link?

Why play if you can't go 100% and something is obviously bothering you?

[T Park]

don't want to hear Tparks or anyone elses excuses

Sorry that not having your second best player is an excuse.

your problem not mine.


Right now the team that was supposed to win 72

Anyone with a brain knew a Spurs team is NOT winning 70 games.

That would mean putting heavy emphasis on the first part of the season.


This is not the Bulls playing againt a horrible NBA.

That simple.

[T Park]

Link?

Why play if you can't go 100% and something is obviously bothering you?

Hes not getting better this season.

So your advocating sitting him the rest of the year?

[SequSpur]

FYI..... the lakers showed up today for their game........... :lmao

[T Park]

The Spurs lost 3 games this week and I put them all on Tim Duncan.

He needs to step up.

Thats what we call

height envy.

[texbumTHElife]

So Ginobili not playing today didnt mean anything??

Mysterious injury??

Uhhh well

Duncan has Plantar Fascitis, is that too "mysterious" for you??

Yeah being an EMT that is something im going to have to look up. Yes Ginobili is hurt. That is pretty obvious since he isnt even in the game or dressing. However I think 95% of the time when fans, yes I said fans just like I said in my original statement, say "oh he is injured" its an excuse.

The Spurs have more "phantom injuries" than any team in the NBA. Its not Pop being CIA. He doesnt tell people whats ailing players because nothing is.

[Carrera_4S]

The thing that trips me out, 2-3 days ago all the spurts fans were talking as much smack, if not more than the Pistons' fans. Now that we've handed your asses to you on a platter, the game "doesn't matter anymore...it's only December".

[E20]

Hes not getting better this season.

So your advocating sitting him the rest of the year?
Where did you get a year from?

For a month Timmy's foot injuries should be gone.

[Kori Ellis]

The thing that trips me out, 2-3 days ago all the spurts fans were talking as much smack, if not more than the Pistons' fans. Now that we've handed your asses to you on a platter, the game "doesn't matter anymore...it's only December".

You can't come here new and tell us how to behave on our own forum.

Take some advice from the other Pistons fans here and win with some grace. When the Spurs beat the Pistons in the Finals last year, Spurs fans did the same on this board.

[texbumTHElife]

The thing that trips me out, 2-3 days ago all the spurts fans were talking as much smack, if not more than the Pistons' fans. Now that we've handed your asses to you on a platter, the game "doesn't matter anymore...it's only December".


The game mattered and anyone who says otherwise is stroking their own ego and psyche. Yeah, captain sarcasm included.

[T Park]

He doesnt tell people whats ailing players because nothing is.

So Duncan isn't hurt??

You want to go on record with that?


The thing that trips me out, 2-3 days ago all the spurts fans were talking as much smack

I wish there was a troll ignore option here......

[T Park]

For a month Timmy's foot injuries should be gone.

Plantar Fascitis doesnt go away in a month.

Step away from the computer, your looking bad.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah being an EMT that is something im going to have to look up. Yes Ginobili is hurt. That is pretty obvious since he isnt even in the game or dressing. However I think 95% of the time when fans, yes I said fans just like I said in my original statement, say "oh he is injured" its an excuse.

The Spurs have more "phantom injuries" than any team in the NBA. Its not Pop being CIA. He doesnt tell people whats ailing players because nothing is.

I don't know what you are talking about exactly. But there are no "phantom" injuries right now. Manu hasn't played in eight games because umm.. he's injured. And Tim has plantar fasciitis. He's been getting shots in his heels and feet and treatment for it since preseason.

[T Park]

The game mattered and anyone who says otherwise is stroking their own ego and psyche

yawn.

[Kori Ellis]

Plantar Fascitis doesnt go away in a month.

Step away from the computer, your looking bad.

It can. It can go away anytime. It can go away in a week or two, or in a few months. He's had it since preseason though, so I don't think it's going to get better overnight.

[T Park]

And Tim has plantar fasciitis. He's been getting shots in his heels and feet and treatment for it since preseason.

ouch.

Im sure thats mysterious and not an "excuse"

[T Park]

It can. It can go away anytime. It can go away in a week or two, or in a few months. He's had it since preseason though, so I don't think it's going to get better overnight

yes your right.

I shouldve clarified the plantar fascitis that Duncan has.

Excuse me.

[E20]

Plantar Fascitis doesnt go away in a month.

Step away from the computer, your looking bad.
Then why is he playing??? :lmao

Wy don't you read up on Plantar Fasciitis and see what the best treatment is?

Rest your moron!!!


http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/fact/thr_report.cfm?Thread_ID=144&topcategory=Foot

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic429.htm

[texbumTHElife]

So Duncan isn't hurt??

You want to go on record with that?



I wish there was a troll ignore option here......

T Park are these concepts to big for you to grasp or something? Did I specifically refer to Duncans "injury" at some point?

Yes I am going on record saying 90% of the time I see Spurs fans say "Oh he's injured" they are looking for an excuse for the fact Duncan is simply playing like ass at that point in time.

Injury or not Duncan has had some good games this year but his whole body of work leaves MUCH to be desired. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

[sanman53]

First, congrads to the Pistons! They were GREAT on the boards! Best wishes for the remainder of the season (stay healthly)!

Second, I still think Timmy is the best in the game, when he wants to be. That spin move on Rasheed, if he would not have gotten fouled, would have been an AMAZING play! Amazing footwork!

Fourthly, I agree with a lot of you all on here. We showed NO effort today. But it's December 25th. April is a long way off!

D. I still love this team, even after a loss in Dec! GO SPURS GO!

[E20]

First, congrads to the Pistons! They were GREAT on the boards! Best wishes for the remainder of the season (stay healthly)!

Second, I still think Timmy is the best in the game, when he wants to be. That spin move on Rasheed, if he would not have gotten fouled, would have been an AMAZING play! Amazing footwork!

Fourthly, I agree with a lot of you all on here. We showed NO effort today. But it's December 25th. April is a long way off!

D. I still love this team, even after a loss in Dec! GO SPURS GO!

Yeah, congrats to the Pistson they hauled ass today.

[itzsoweezee]

by the way, rasho is still garbage. get this pathetic excuse for a center off the court

[texbumTHElife]

Yeah, congrats to the Pistson they hauled ass today.


I gotta give it to the Pistons I personally have never seen them take a game off. No matter what time of year it is. I cant think of another professional sports franchise that seems to always bring it week in and week out.

A 100% Spurs team with 100% effort is unbeatable IMO but that team has proven to be very elusive this season. If Pop or the players are saving it for the playoffs, with our age, I can understand. Damn does it ever make the first half of the season frustrating to watch though when you know the potential of this team.

[T Park]

Wy don't you read up on Plantar Fasciitis and see what the best treatment is?

Rest your moron!!!



read Kori's post

moron.

[texbumTHElife]

by the way, rasho is still garbage. get this pathetic excuse for a center off the court


I have, up until today, actually been pleasantly suprised by Rasho much of this season. He has really picked up his hustle on D and his offense with Duncan not being 100%.

I know its way to early to call out Horry but among our big men he has been the biggest let down so far. Then again, this is Robert Horry and he is here for one thing and one thing only so I can let it slide. After last years finals he has a pass for the reg season as long as he is with the Spurs.

BTW, think we could get some extra padded chairs for the bench in a trade for Barry or is that asking too much? If Manu wasnt hurt I think Barry would be gone already.

[SequSpur]

Duncan is just a puss.

[T Park]

BTW, think we could get some extra padded chairs for the bench in a trade for Barry or is that asking too much? If Manu wasnt hurt I think Barry would be gone already

lol

Well

hes still "adjusting" is what Ive heard.

[texbumTHElife]

lol

Well

hes still "adjusting" is what Ive heard.

Yeah I here that whole walking and talking at the same time thing is still tough for him too.

[T Park]

dribbling and going to the whole evidently is still too.


I wish that rumor of Barry Oberto for Stephen Jackson thing was true.

Id do that so quick......

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The thing that trips me out, 2-3 days ago all the spurts fans were talking as much smack, if not more than the Pistons' fans. Now that we've handed your asses to you on a platter, the game "doesn't matter anymore...it's only December".

Piss off yankee.

Tfart - what does Duncan's sore feet have to do with our team not showing up today? Jack and squat.

I concur we should have been playing at home, just one more reason our showing today was so pathetic. We should have kicked their asses and said "hey David, next time we get play at home."


I know its way to early to call out Horry but among our big men he has been the biggest let down so far.

Bum, Horry hasn't shown up to play before April in a good six years, not sure why that's such a surprise.

[texbumTHElife]

dribbling and going to the whole evidently is still too.


I wish that rumor of Barry Oberto for Stephen Jackson thing was true.

Id do that so quick......

I really wish we could put something together for Luol Deng. Stephen Jackson is definately an offensive injection but he plays 0 defense. I am forever greatful for what he did for us in '03 but Indy can keep him.

[T Park]

what does Duncan's sore feet have to do with our team not showing up today?

Not duncan.


Id say Ginobili's sore foot did though.

[texbumTHElife]

Piss off yankee.

Tfart - what does Duncan's sore feet have to do with our team not showing up today? Jack and squat.

I concur we should have been playing at home, just one more reason our showing today was so pathetic. We should have kicked their asses and said "hey David, next time we get play at home."



Bum, Horry hasn't shown up to play before April in a good six years, not sure why that's such a surprise.

Its not a suprise. Thats why I admitted its way to early. I was just commenting on big men.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Look folks, if the shots weren't falling today and the effort was there, I could deal with it.

I know our team can't be up for every game. But on a national stage, in a game where the commish has slapped you in the face already twice by making your game the undercard AND making you play on the road, how the fuck can you not bring the intensity?

That's weak. And that's on the players AND the staff. Everyone treated this as a giveaway game because Manu wasn't playing, instead of seizing on the opportunity to make a statement with him out.

[T Park]

but he plays 0 defense.

thats not correct what so ever.

in a system like the Spurs he plays good D.

Rewatch the 4th quarter VS Dallas in 03 in game 6.

His defense and Offense were as big as Kerr's 3s.

[T Park]

I know our team can't be up for every game. But on a national stage, in a game where the commish has slapped you in the face already twice by making your game the undercard AND making you play on the road, how the fuck can you not bring the intensity?



because the team doesn't worry about trivial stuff like that?

[Spurologist]

I really wish we could put something together for Luol Deng. Stephen Jackson is definately an offensive injection but he plays 0 defense. I am forever greatful for what he did for us in '03 but Indy can keep him.

I guess barry does, huh?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Not duncan.

Id say Ginobili's sore foot did though.

That's typical Tpark logic. One guy is hurt so it's okay for the rest of the team to play like ass and not give a damn.

Every other team in the league a star gets hurt and the team steps up - we've seen it enough against the Spurs to know it's true.

Why won't anyone on this team step up, instead of all this "whoa is us Manu is hurt" shit?

[texbumTHElife]

Tfart - what does Duncan's sore feet have to do with our team not showing up today? Jack and squat.



Well when 90% of your offense goes through a certain player you are going to have serious offensive let downs when he cant move like he is needed to.

Also when he cant hold his ground on the defensive boards and gets pushed around leading to a -27 rebound margin. You got issues.

He isnt the sole reason for the loss, neither is missing Manu. But Tim Duncan needs to nut up and get aggressive and will this team to some damn victories on his own.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

because the team doesn't worry about trivial stuff like that?

Okay, then how about the fact you're playing against the biggest threat to your throne for the next 4 years?

You make more excuses than the last 4 presidential press secretaries put together.

[T Park]

Fine bitch and complain and worry your goddamn headoff.

Shit man, I try to be cool with you but you continue to be a fuckin asshole.

Get fucked.

[texbumTHElife]

I guess barry does, huh?

Right, I would think the point would be to get a player who better fits your system. Not a player of the same mold. Right?

TPark: I was referring to SJax now. Watch an Indy game. Carlisle preaches defense first just like Pop and he is getting NONE from SJax. IMO we dont need a loud flamboyant personality coming in and throwing chemistry into an even bigger whirlwind of inconsistency. A quiet strong player that knows their role and relishes in it is what we need.

More so we need a healthy Manu.

[E20]

Damn, BLUD, I can feel it. Indianas gonna go mainy on us. We're probably gonna lose to them too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well when 90% of your offense goes through a certain player you are going to have serious offensive let downs when he cant move like he is needed to.


If this team can't run a play without Duncan getting the rock we've got bigger problems than losing today.



Also when he cant hold his ground on the defensive boards and gets pushed around leading to a -27 rebound margin. You got issues.

Um, it wasn't just Duncan - it was Horry, Rasho, Bowen, Nazr to a lesser extent, even Finley and Parker got worked.

Damn, the team sucked as a whole today. To pawn it all off on Duncan is short-sighted. Yeah, he needs to nut up but this entire team from Pop right down the bench to Marks at the end, needs to do a little soul searching.

Not showing up for a December game against NO/K is one thing, not showing up for a Christmas Day national telecast tilt against your biggest threat to a repeat is another.

[leemajors]

i don't see how you could watch the spurs play recently and not admit they are missing manu. detroit fans should know how much the spurs miss manu being in the lineup, he wa the reason we won game 7 last year. the knowledgeable pistons fans on this board were hoping manu would be playing, because the spurs are not the same without him. i am glad they are making sure he is healthy before he comes back. he is not afraid to take it to the hole, and his defense is also sorely missed.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Gimme a break Tpark.


Shit man, I try to be cool with you but you continue to be a fuckin asshole.

Get fucked.

I'm not being an asshole to you. Just pointing out your incredibly flawed logic of Tim's poor aching foot being an excuse for the entire Spurs team laying a fucking egg today.

[leemajors]

just to clarify, manu being hurt is no reason for the spurs to play like this. but, he brings a lot of energy to the floor.

[T Park]

I'm not being an asshole to you


That's typical Tpark logic.


You make more excuses than the last 4 presidential press secretaries put together

ooh how silly am i.

I shouldve taken these and other assorted things as compliments.

Damn, what an asshole IVE been!!

DAMN!!

[Kori Ellis]

Um, it wasn't just Duncan - it was Horry, Rasho, Bowen, Nazr to a lesser extent, even Finley and Parker got worked.

Umm.. how are you going to call out Bowen?

And then give Finley an afterthought?

Bowen was awesome today and Finley sucked ass all the way around.

[texbumTHElife]

If this team can't run a play without Duncan getting the rock we've got bigger problems than losing today.



Um, it wasn't just Duncan - it was Horry, Rasho, Bowen, Nazr to a lesser extent, even Finley and Parker got worked.

Damn, the team sucked as a whole today. To pawn it all off on Duncan is short-sighted. Yeah, he needs to nut up but this entire team from Pop right down the bench to Marks at the end, needs to do a little soul searching.

Not showing up for a December game against NO/K is one thing, not showing up for a Christmas Day national telecast tilt against your biggest threat to a repeat is another.

Alright jack ass you just took stuff out of context and then argued something that you left out. Quote the whole damn post next time. I said in that very post it definately was not all on Duncan. Talk about mirroring a press secretary.....

When you are the best player on your team and one of the best in the NBA you are going to take more heat when your team loses. Period. Thats the way things are. Duncan is the front line for this team before, during and after the game.

[Tek_XX]

Is it just me or is Van Exel totally useless if he's not scoring, might as well stick Beno out there.

I can't tell if Duncans injury is bothering him or if he's just playing like a pussy but his timely 4th quarter missed shots are not helping.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kori -

Sorry, bad grammar, I meant Nazr to a lesser extent. Finley sucked.

Bowen played awesome defense, I guess the two offensive rebounds he let Maurice Evans grab just kinda irked me a little and stood out in my mind.

Bum - I agree Duncan is playing like a puss. I'm just saying that shouldn't give the rest of the team carte blanche to do the same. Someone nut up already...

[FreshPrince22]

I still see Miami beating Detroit in the playoffs.

Yea, you can hope and dream all you want. But that fact is that the Heat got worse and the Pistons got much much better.
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[texbumTHElife]

Bowen was awesome today and Finley sucked ass all the way around.

I only saw the second half but I was looking at the TV saying to myself,"Is rip hurt or something?"

Then I saw he played 32 minutes and I just couldnt see him because Bowein was on him like an invisible cloak on Harry potter.

[texbumTHElife]

Bum - I agree Duncan is playing like a puss. I'm just saying that shouldn't give the rest of the team carte blanche to do the same. Someone nut up already...

Oh trust me Ag, I am not giving anyone a free pass. Its just the corrolation between this teams lack luster performances and Tim Duncans mediocre play cant be played down. This team goes where Duncan takes it. Tony is having a great year. We have a solid bench. Rasho is even stepping up to a certain extent. None of that matters though if we cant put this team on Duncans shoulders and will out a win.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Yea, you can hope and dream all you want. But that fact is that the Heat got worse and the Pistons got much much better.

We'll see

[Kori Ellis]

Sorry, bad grammar, I meant Nazr to a lesser extent. Finley sucked.

Bowen played awesome defense, I guess the two offensive rebounds he let Maurice Evans grab just kinda irked me a little and stood out in my mind.

Yeah I re-read the "to a less extent" and got it.

Bowen did all he could do today. Rip only scored one basket against him (his other three weren't on Bowen). That one rebound maybe he should have gotten. Not that other one. Evans is going to outleap him. Bowen was so solid on both ends of the floor today that it made Finley/Barry combo look even worse.

This was just a bad team effort all around though on the glass. Ben/McDyess freakin' owned the boards. With Duncan not jumping much and seemingly half asleep at times, and the other bigs so lackadaisical it was just a bad day.

I like it when the Spurs get their ass kicked sometimes though. They have skated through a lot of their wins this season and sometimes it takes a national TV beatdown to get a team to take notice. Hopefully this was it. (And hopefully Manu/Tim get healthy).

[FreshPrince22]

I only saw the second half but I was looking at the TV saying to myself,"Is rip hurt or something?"

Then I saw he played 32 minutes and I just couldnt see him because Bowein was on him like an invisible cloak on Harry potter.

He does have a back injury (was listed as "questionable" against Golden state), but I can't blame it on that. He lets Bowen get in his head, then he starts missing wide open jumpers and turning the ball over with no one near him. Lucky for us, he couldn't have played a worse game if he tried and we still won.
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[Kori Ellis]

He lets Bowen get in his head, then he starts missing wide open jumpers and turning the ball over with no one near him.

Bowen does the same thing to Ray Allen. It's a cool phenomenon.

One of the Ray's teammates said (off the record) that Ray gets so freaked out sometimes by Bowen that he gets weird tunnel vision ... doesn't see his teammates or the rim.

[Tek_XX]

bottom line: Spurs have a shit load of work to do, and several trades to complete.

[Kori Ellis]

several trades to complete.

Doubt it.

Going into the season everyone thought the Spurs had the best roster in the league.

They need Tim and Manu healthy. And if they can ship out Rasho or Nazr and get something of value, they might. But I can't imagine "several" trades.

[Tek_XX]

Bowen does the same thing to Ray Allen. It's a cool phenomenon.

One of the Ray's teammates said (off the record) that Ray gets so freaked out sometimes by Bowen that he gets weird tunnel vision ... doesn't see his teammates or the rim.

sweet

[Tek_XX]

Doubt it.

Going into the season everyone thought the Spurs had the best roster in the league.

They need Tim and Manu healthy. And if they can ship out Rasho or Nazr and get something of value, they might. But I can't imagine "several" trades.

Yeah trying to be funny but yeah probably one at the most.

[Billy Cobham]

Detroit beat the Spurs badly today. No other way to put it. These are easily the two best teams in the league, but if the Spurs don't get healthy they will have no chance against the Pistons in the Finals...assuming Detroit stays healthy. Ginobili is a tough cover for Detroit and S.A. really missed him today.

[TwoHandJam]

First of all props to the Pistons, they certainly wanted this game more. This game went pretty much the way I thought it might. Now some thoughts on the game:

1) Finley and Barry going a combined 2-11 is pretty pathetic. These guys aren't athletic enough to stay out of foul trouble from Detroit's starters and it showed. If they're not hitting their shots when the defense is broken down then they're fairly useless. Manu was definitely missed since he can both create his own shot, create for others like these two and is athletic enough to defend Detroit's starters. Finley has been known to disappear in the postseason and this game had a playoff atmosphere. Not encouraging.

2) I was slammed by the Rasho lovers on this site when I mentioned Rasho's propensity to shrivel in physical, playoff-type games. I think his play today speaks for itself, nothing new here. As I said, even though Mohammed has numerous holes in his game, he thrives when things get physical. Maybe some here will see this now but I doubt it.

3) We lost this game primarily because we were horribly outrebounded and got nothing from our wings (Finley/Barry). Rebounding has been a sore spot for our team ever since Dave retired. Outside of Tim, we can't count on anyone in our frontcourt to average anywhere near 10 boards/game. When Tim sits, we get little to no rebounding at all and it's a huge problem.

The Pistons shot about the same percentage as we did but they got 7 more shot attempts than we did and had 18 offensive rebounds - 3 times the amount we had. When you're outrebounded by 27 boards, it's pretty impossible to win a game.

I don't know what Pop will do to remedy our frontcourt but that is where our most glaring weakness lies. Tim has virtually no help whatsoever up front and he cannot overcome Wallace&Wallace plus McDdyess plus Davis all by himself. Manu's return will more than shore up our backcourt but our frontcourt has no easy answers.

I feel Pop needs to work a trade and jettison Rasho plus a combination of bench wing players to get Tim at least a frontcourt mate who can rebound and defend reliably. The Pistons took us to a game 7 last year and their frontcourt has gotten better while ours has declined. Playoff games are won in the paint so something needs to be done.

[FreshPrince22]

Bowen does the same thing to Ray Allen. It's a cool phenomenon.

One of the Ray's teammates said (off the record) that Ray gets so freaked out sometimes by Bowen that he gets weird tunnel vision ... doesn't see his teammates or the rim.

Yea, hopefully Flip tells Rip what Larry Brown wouldn't (apparantely it's not "playing the right way"). That he needs to pick his spots. I know Rip's used to getting his shot off over anyone at anytime, but you can't do that against Bowen. If Rip starts distributing more than trying to force things I like our chances much better when it really counts than if he just trys to "Shoot his way through it".
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[Cant_Be_Faded]

PUT THE FOURS UP I SAID!!!!! PUT 'EM UP!!!!








hyeah

the only thing i have to say is the pistons looked like twathouses by whining after every call they did not (and did) receive

[Amuseddaysleeper]

First of all props to the Pistons, they certainly wanted this game more. This game went pretty much the way I thought it might. Now some thoughts on the game:

1) Finley and Barry going a combined 2-11 is pretty pathetic. These guys aren't athletic enough to stay out of foul trouble from Detroit's starters and it showed. If they're not hitting their shots when the defense is broken down then they're fairly useless. Manu was definitely missed since he can both create his own shot, create for others like these two and is athletic enough to defend Detroit's starters. Finley has been known to disappear in the postseason and this game had a playoff atmosphere. Not encouraging.

2) I was slammed by the Rasho lovers on this site when I mentioned Rasho's propensity to shrivel in physical, playoff-type games. I think his play today speaks for itself, nothing new here. As I said, even though Mohammed has numerous holes in his game, he thrives when things get physical. Maybe some here will see this now but I doubt it.

3) We lost this game primarily because we were horribly outrebounded and got nothing from our wings (Finley/Barry). Rebounding has been a sore spot for our team ever since Dave retired. Outside of Tim, we can't count on anyone in our frontcourt to average anywhere near 10 boards/game. When Tim sits, we get little to no rebounding at all and it's a huge problem.

This Pistons shot about the same percentage as we did but they got 7 more shot attempts than we did and had 18 offensive rebounds - 3 times the amount we had. When you're outrebounded by 27 boards, it's pretty impossible to win a game.

I don't know what Pop will do to remedy our frontcourt but that is where our most glaring weakness lies. Tim has virtually no help whatsoever up front and he cannot overcome Wallace&Wallace plus McDdyess plus Davis all by himself. Manu's return will more than shore up our backcourt but our frontcourt has no easy answers.

I feel Pop needs to work a trade and jettison Rasho plus a combination of bench wing players to get Tim at least a frontcourt mate who can rebound and defend reliably. The Pistons took us to a game 7 last year and their frontcourt has gotten better while ours has declined. Playoff games are won in the paint so something needs to be done.

excellent post

i just hope we can trade rasho sooner than later

[1Parker1]

I wonder why pop didn't decide to put Bowen on Billups around the third/fourth quarter when he was raining three's...

Not that it wouldhave made much of a difference I guess.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I just want everyone to PUT THEM FOURS UP!!!!!!!!! PUT THEM UP I SAID!!!!!!

[beirmeistr]

Very disappointing effort by the Spurs. Even though some people want to downplay the significance of this game, I think it was an opportunity to make a statement. The way the game started, I thought the Spurs were going to make a statement. But the only statement I got from this game was that when the going gets tough, the Spurs appear to lack the necessary motivation to keep up with the Pistons.
As it is, the Pistons are already a cocky bunch who feel that game 7 could have gone either way. This effort by the Spurs did nothing to diminish their attitude. This was a national game---where was their will to win?
I 'll be glad and relieved when Manu comes back and I hope that Pop does not insult him by bringing him off the bench. They need his confidence and his effort from the tipoff.

[boutons]

Pistons had 6 players with 9 or more pts. Chauncey wasn't the Spurs main problem, but he did show up late, as always. Tony should targetting to get to Chaucey's level when Tony is Chauncey's age.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I just want everyone to PUT THEM FOURS UP!!!!!!!!! PUT THEM UP I SAID!!!!!!

:rolleyes :rolleyes

[boutons]

"the Pistons are already a cocky bunch who feel that game 7 could have gone either way."

We ALL know the last 12 minutes could have gone either way.
The fact that they were played @SBC was critical, very probably decisive.
Pistons are playing for HCA NOW, not in March.

[SouthernFried]

I was worried right from the start. When Parker scored ALL of our first points, I saw the rest of the team just standing around and watching. And that's what happened the rest of the game.

Spurs win on Team play...if we ain't hitting all cylinders, we don't win. Duncan, Parker, etc...can't make the Spurs win by themeselves. The whole team needs to be involved from the get-go.

There was no off-the-ball movement on offense...little picking, screening, etc. You never say Finley recieve the ball coming off a pick...didn't happen once. And that's his game, he's no 1 on 1 creator. On defense, the blocking-out was non-existent. Our interior, without Timmy...is absolutlely horrible.

But, really...this is nothing new. Been happening all year. Laying this loss on any one player, is silly.

I think Pop has some serious work to do. I see some potential in Nazr as being more a force in the middle...dunno why he's not getting more playing time. Pop must see something I don't, cuz what I've seen from him...has been pretty good. Even his hands seem to be getting a little better.

Anyway, game showed that this "team" has a long way to go yet. And that's Pop's job now.

[leemajors]

it wouldn't be insulting to have manu come off the bench, our 2nd unit lacks any sort of intensity or energy. they continually either give up leads or make them bigger. and let's face it, no team will want to help us out by sending us a big who can rebound and defend. those players are a scarce commodity in the first place. bide time, keep winning when you can until manu gets healthy. hopefully in the meantime someone will step up and inspire the team. you can't get it done consistently with just 2 stars anymore, it takes that 3rd player elevating to beat good teams on a consistent basis.

[T Park]

our 2nd unit lacks any sort of intensity or energy

Who was the intensity energy guy off the bench last year?

Brent Barry?

Beno Udrih?

[SouthernFried]

Games like today...I really miss Manu.

I don't think anyone's ever said..."Manu's playing with no energy."

He could get the team going all by his lonesome.

[leemajors]

Who was the intensity energy guy off the bench last year?

Brent Barry?

Beno Udrih?

pop moved manu to the bench in the denver series because the bench lacked energy. it was sometimes a problem last year as well. your point?

[1Parker1]

^I think his point was that we still managed to win the Championship. Manu only came off the bench for that Denver series. Our bench lacked energy, yet our starting 5 (and Horry) managed to get the job done.

[leemajors]

i know what his point was supposed to be, i just don't see why he tried to make it. he picked one line from my post and tried to invalidate what i was saying with it, which is infantile. even though the championship was won, our team was not perfect. especially with manu injured, and the dings and knicks the team is accumulating, the bench is that much more important. you don't want to have to rely on 6 to get it done.

[JamStone]

On any normal day, even without Ginobili, the Spurs would have won. Today they just jerked off all game.


Just curious ... if the Pistons and Spurs meet in the finals this season, and they play on all ABNORMAL days, does that scare you?

I'm going to petition that the NBA sets all of the NBAL finals games on abnormal days. No normal days please.

[T Park]

which is infantile

Its infantile to prove someone wrong??

wahhhhh

whos the infant.

[T Park]

and they play on all ABNORMAL days, does that scare you?

I'm going to petition that the NBA sets all of the NBAL finals games on abnormal days. No normal days please.

I think he means Christmas mr sensitive.

[ca®lo]

never thought id say this..

not being a bandwagoner but..

i had more fun watching the heat vs lakers game

i love the spurs but it just seemed like they didnt want to play at all.

except for bowen and nazr.

[leemajors]

Its infantile to prove someone wrong??

wahhhhh

whos the infant.

you didn't prove anyone wrong about anything, thus your statement was infantile. you don't have to post every time you think someone is whining. i wasn't. give it up.

[Hook Dem]

Lets see now.....Suns are slumping because Stoudamire is out? NOPE!!!! There is little doubt that this team misses Manu but if they are using that as a crutch and decide to play passively till he returns, we are doomed! I love the Spurs but there is no excuse for the way they played today. The only ones who showed up was Bowen, Parker, & Nazr. Ain't gonna get it done!!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Great post as usual TwoHand...


I don't know what Pop will do to remedy our frontcourt but that is where our most glaring weakness lies. Tim has virtually no help whatsoever up front and he cannot overcome Wallace&Wallace plus McDdyess plus Davis all by himself. Manu's return will more than shore up our backcourt but our frontcourt has no easy answers.

I feel Pop needs to work a trade and jettison Rasho plus a combination of bench wing players to get Tim at least a frontcourt mate who can rebound and defend reliably. The Pistons took us to a game 7 last year and their frontcourt has gotten better while ours has declined. Playoff games are won in the paint so something needs to be done.

I'd argue we already have one piece of the front court puzzle in Nazr - when things get physical is when he thrives. Rasho had been coming on lately but damn he was so soft today, it's time to give Nazr another look at starting.

[T Park]

If you could find a person thats available Via trade, that would do the job, Im sure Pop would do it....

[kris]

never thought id say this..

not being a bandwagoner but..

i had more fun watching the heat vs lakers game

i love the spurs but it just seemed like they didnt want to play at all.

except for bowen and nazr.

I agree. I thought the Lakers and Heat were more interesting than the Pistons and Spurs. Maybe it was because I knew the Spurs going to win the whole game. Maybe it was because the Spurs weren't really trying. Maybe the Spurs and Pistons do really play boring basketball. I don't know, but the JV game fulfilled it's role.

[SequSpur]

If the Spurs need a big, who is available that can actually help a Tim Duncan?

From what I saw was Duncan and (insert teammate here) were getting owned in the paint...

over and over and over and over again.......

Isn't Duncan supposed to be one of the best rebounders in the league? What about Marks or Oberto?

we don't need offense from that position, we just need someone to block people out, be aggressive and grab the damn ball.........

WTF?

[ahb]

Pop should trade Rasho for my main man Danny Fortson. :smokin :drunk

Or, if you really need some defensive presence next to your nancy-boy finesse power forward, perhaps you should look into the services of Erick Dampier. :lmao

(Just kidding. Although I still don't get why you start Rasho instead of Nazr.)

[Carrera_4S]

Spurs win on Team play...if we ain't hitting all cylinders, we don't win.

Uh, you need some Pistons in order to do that...

[GOODfellas]

Spurs win on Team play...if we ain't hitting all cylinders, we don't win.

Uh, you need some Pistons in order to do that...

Got some "pistons" last year. Game 7!

SPURS will be there at the end and all of you will totally forget this day!
:hat

[ducks]

Who was the intensity energy guy off the bench last year?

Brent Barry?

Beno Udrih?


that is why manu is going to be coming off the bench
(atleast righ tawy a when he comes back)

[JamStone]

I think he means Christmas mr sensitive.


Mr. Sensitive?? LMAO ...

I make a joke in response to SOMEONE ELSE'S post, and you feel the need to clarify ... ON A JOKE ... it was a joke. What is an "abnormal" day? It's a joke, T Park. It wasn't even YOUR comment. It was a JOKE to Alvarez. Just a JOKE.

Who exactly is sensitive?

[George Gervin's Afro]

This game proceeded just as the first 27 games. Little energy and , as popovich mentions frequently, an entitlement attitude style of play. The Pistons exposed the Spurs level of play at this point in the season. Detroit and Dallas , for whom I consider the 2 of the 3 best teams in the league, showed that good teams are going to kick our a$$ with the level of energy played at this point in the season. Now I believe that we will get better as the season progresses but against detroit we needed to show up and play with some intensity but we chose no to. It was a shame that we looked like we barely cared.

I am surprised to see some of detroit's finest talking trash about a december basketball game. I did notice most spurs fans here ignored them because we understand that the championship is our's and we will not lose it december.

I hope Pop and can get these guys motivated..

[td4mvp21]

I was so disappointed in how they acted. They just didn't care. And thats what disappoints me. This WAS a statement game. And the Pistons made a good statement. Duncan looked lackadasical, was not very agressive, didn't jump on rebounds, and didn't want to be there. Bowen played excellent on both ends, Barry sucked, Finley sucked, Parker was decent, however no one brought their A game. But don't get me wrong, the Pistons have good defense, but we missed a TON of easy shots. Part of being a good team is bringing your A game for a rival game. Spurs failed this one horribly. I really hope they get things together, which I honestly think they will. But until then I see Detroit being the best team in the league with us being second. You know its bad when your superstar doesn't care.

[spurschick]

To be a fly on the wall at film session today. :lol