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spurschick

01-01-2006, 06:16 PM

What's with all the Eva bashing? Some people are just so fucking ignorant, it makes me sick. I agree with the one guy that it was ridiculous that the cop story made it above the fold, but it's not like she enjoyed it being there and it ended up being a complete non-story. And there are a lot of games she goes to where she doesn't get camera time at all. People need to lighten the fuck up.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/letters/stories/MYSA010106.4H.evafocus.1bbdc302.html
Letters to The Editor — Focus: Eva Longoria

Web Posted: 01/01/2006 12:00 AM CST
San Antonio Express-News

Want adoration? Go see Lakers

I am wondering why we, the public, have to keep being subjected to pictures of Eva Longoria while watching a Spurs game. I am sure I speak for the majority when I say that we watch the Spurs to watch the Spurs, not to see who is in the crowd.

Why does she seem to be so starved for attention, following the Spurs around like a shadow to training camp and everywhere else they go? You don't see the other wives and girlfriends trying to catch a ride on the team jet so they can be seen and feel like they are somebody.

Enough of the Eva coverage!

If she wants to be adored, then she should go to a Lakers game. We come to watch basketball.

— Chris Mitchell

Skewed sense of priorities

Upon receiving my newspaper Monday morning, I learned the most earth-shattering news, reported above the fold, as the top headline described an altercation between a professional basketball player and his celebrity girlfriend and a policeman on the streets of San Antonio ("A 'Desperate' situation downtown").

With war in Iraq, famine in Africa and the political shenanigans in Washington, it is nice to know the Express-News has its sense of priority when it comes to reporting the news.

I would equate the editorial decision to make that story the top headline to those of the tabloids. Is this what our city newspaper is coming to?

— Steven G. Powell

Her clock is ticking

Can anyone please tell me why Eva Longoria was on the front page Monday?

I mean, was there really nothing else to report? Whether or not she actually said what she's accused of saying, did it warrant a front-page story? I don't think so.

Seems to me that she is exceeding her 15 minutes of fame.

— L.C. Hanson

MannyIsGod

01-01-2006, 06:18 PM

Meh, whatever sells papers. Whats with all the Eva obsession one way or another?

Samr

01-01-2006, 06:26 PM

Whats with all the Eva obsession one way or another?

She's hot.

Solid D

01-01-2006, 06:31 PM

She has every right to be at games or events to support her team or her boyfriend.

Get a better gripe....and get a better grip, while you're at it people.

spurschick

01-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Whats with all the Eva obsession one way or another?

Exactly! Some of the local media outlets have a more live-and-let-live approach (WOAI) and I applaud them for that. If the Express-News is so hard up to sell papers that they need to constantly strike out against her to make a buck, they should get better columnists and increase their circulation the right way. And KSAT is just a fucking joke.

Tres_Till_it_MHz

01-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Not her again, someone please give ole girl a tortilla.

Kori Ellis

01-01-2006, 06:38 PM

spurschick

01-01-2006, 06:41 PM

Recently at a Spurs game, some of the Baseline Bums were yelling at Eva when she was going from the tunnel to her seat, "Get the fuck out of here, whore. Leave Tony alone."

I went crazy. I went to the president of the Baseline Bums and explained that they are the philanthropy/fan group affiliated with the Spurs/Spurs Foundation and that Eva needs to get the same respect from them as any other Spurs wife/girlfriend. Would any of them yell at another player's significant other like that!?!

I was appalled by the whole incident.

I was telling Rashofan the other night that the Baseline Bums didn't get their minute of fame for a couple of games recently. It didn't come til the very end of the game against the Hornets, when a lot of people had already left. I wonder if they're in the doghouse.

Kori Ellis

01-01-2006, 06:42 PM

I was telling Rashofan the other night that the Baseline Bums didn't get their minute of fame for a couple of games recently. It didn't come til the very end of the game against the Hornets, when a lot of people had already left. I wonder if they're in the doghouse.

Probably not. They probably just forgot about them. :)

Phonzie20

01-01-2006, 06:43 PM

I invited (emailed) Eva to the board to get her side of the story. Hopefully she responds.

Spurminator

01-01-2006, 06:43 PM

What baffles me is how two of the readers above seem to be blaming Eva for the fact that the media is covering her.

Phonzie20

01-01-2006, 06:43 PM

Who are these baseline bums and why do I not like them already?

Phonzie20

01-01-2006, 06:44 PM

What baffles me is how two of the readers above seem to be blaming Eva for the fact that the media is covering her.

ABC will have it no other way.

hicksi

01-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Hey TREY...

Why does it look like your pic has hairy-boobs?

spurschick

01-01-2006, 06:47 PM

If she weren't going out with Tony, she would still be getting media coverage at games and I don't think that anyone would give a shit. She doesn't always get media coverage at games either. I don't see shitty commentary about Tommy Lee Jones when he sits courtside and gets face time.

Samr

01-01-2006, 06:51 PM

Who the hell cares?

Really, she's been nothing but completely supportive of the Spurs and the organization and if Parker and her have a genuine relationship based on more than just publicity, I don't see why we should be anything but respectful of that. And if they don't, it's none of our damn business.

And also, she's hot.

Phonzie20

01-01-2006, 06:52 PM

Phonzie20

01-01-2006, 06:53 PM

Spurminator

01-01-2006, 06:53 PM

Phonzie20

01-01-2006, 06:57 PM

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ALVAREZ6

01-01-2006, 07:07 PM

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spurschick

01-01-2006, 07:11 PM

Eva - Tommy Lee Jones
Big difference there.

What difference is there? It's okay for Jones to get face time at games and not Eva?

I've already written my rebuttal to the editor... let's see if they give quality column inches to those of us that are tired of the Eva bashing.

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-01-2006, 07:29 PM

With regards to Eva bashing, I think the blame needs to go to the individuals and not the medium in this case.

What would you (generally speaking) say if the EN failed to report the story or run what their readers are saying?

They gave their readers their respective voices. Now, I do agree with the second letter writer in asking why this deserved above-the-fold coverage, but this story obviously would have generated interest in the community (and you can base that on the forum's response as well).

I totally agree with Kori in that Eva should have the same respect given to her as any of the other players' wives/GFs.

spurschick

01-01-2006, 08:06 PM

What would you (generally speaking) say if the EN failed to report the story or run what their readers are saying?

Certain media outlets chose not to run the story. If the EN would've run the story under the police blotter, I would've been fine with that, but it didn't deserve to be above the fold. And if enough people are writing in that they are tired of Eva, I can understand the EN running the opinions in their editorial, but I hope that people, other than myself, are writing in their opinions opposing the bashing and are given the same space in that section.

xrayzebra

01-01-2006, 08:10 PM

Certain media outlets chose not to run the story. If the EN would've run the story under the police blotter, I would've been fine with that, but it didn't deserve to be above the fold. And if enough people are writing in that they are tired of Eva, I can understand the EN running the opinions in their editorial, but I hope that people, other than myself, are writing in their opinions opposing the bashing and are given the same space in that section.

Poor baby. Eva and Tony should have just taken the dumb ticket, paid
it and forgot it. Why did they kick up a ruckus? Hell, Tony is not above
the law, he is suppose to have a Texas DL in possession, not his stupid
French license.

spurschick

01-01-2006, 08:12 PM

Poor baby. Eva and Tony should have just taken the dumb ticket, paid
it and forgot it. Why did they kick up a ruckus? Hell, Tony is not above
the law, he is suppose to have a Texas DL in possession, not his stupid
French license.

According to witnesses, they didn't kick up a ruckus at all. And he can't possibly be the only person to ever not have his DL on them.

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-01-2006, 08:37 PM

Certain media outlets chose not to run the story.

Then, frankly, I think I would question their assignment editors and producers for not running the story as (at least in my opinion) the story met at least two of the major qualities necessary when judging newsworthiness.

1. Prominence
2. Proximity

And as far as major locals go, WOAI, KENS (Express-News), KSAT and KABB all ran the story and the story was picked up by the Associated Press.

spurschick

01-01-2006, 08:47 PM

Then, frankly, I think I would question their assignment editors and producers for not running the story as (at least in my opinion) the story met at least two of the major qualities necessary when judging newsworthiness.

1. Prominence
2. Proximity

And as far as major locals go, WOAI, KENS (Express-News), KSAT and KABB all ran the story and the story was picked up by the Associated Press.

Do you really believe that it deserved the high profile coverage that it got? I have to keep reminding myself that the media was not so much covering the traffic ticket, but the alleged racial slurs, which would've been the real story had it been true. So, I suppose that, at the time, the rumors were enough to make it a story. Of course, it disappeared very quickly.

And I completely agree with you that it's the individuals who are doing the bashing and not the media. I don't see anything wrong with her camera time during games. It's part of the show. I just don't understand why people get so worked up about it that they feel it necessary to bash her personally and claim that she's looking for attention by going on road trips.

I guess what hacked me off is that I'm used to seeing two sides/opinions in the editorial section. If the focus was on Bush, we would've seen those in favor and opposed. This focus was completely anti-Eva without any opinion in her favor and I don't like that kind of one-sidedness in an editorial/view section. As I have mentioned, I hope that others send their rebuttals so that the other point of view can be read.

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-01-2006, 08:58 PM

Do you really believe that it deserved the high profile coverage that it got? I have to keep reminding myself that the media was not so much covering the traffic ticket, but the alleged racial slurs, which would've been the real story had it been true. So, I suppose that, at the time, the rumors were enough to make it a story. Of course, it disappeared very quickly.

I guess what hacked me off is that I'm used to seeing two sides/opinions in the editorial section. If the focus was on Bush, we would've seen those in favor and opposed. This focus was completely anti-Eva without any opinion in her favor and I don't like that kind of one-sidedness in an editorial/view section. As I have mentioned, I hope that others send their rebuttals so that the other point of view can be read.

As far as the coverage the story recieved (from the print), I thought the amount was fine, but the placement was poor.

I don't believe it should have been above-the-fold, and not because the story didn't matter, but that certainly couldn't have been the most dominant story of the day, but I don't remember what else was there that day.

As far as broadcast goes, KSAT almost always puts the Spurs above everything else, going so far as to running game highlights from the previous day at 6 p.m. and running it as recaps instead of previews.

I would bet money that both Instant Replay and Sports Sunday will have something on it tonight.

For the second part, generally speaking, people talk more about what they like rather than what they dislike. I bet far fewer people wrote in to the EN to tell them that they thought their coverage of the story was great (hell, I'd bet nearly none).

As ME at The Star, I get an exponential amount more of negative letters than I do positive. That's the nature of the beast. Also, there are guidelines that I'm sure the EN has with regards to running letters. I'm not going to claim that they withheld positive letters, but I can give them the benefit of the doubt that they probably wouldn't have held letters praising them.

I sometimes wonder if I should run those letters that compliment us in The Star as you begin to wonder if readers really care that people thought you did great.

Also, how many people would write a letter to the editor to say that Eva didn't do anything prior to today's issue?

spurschick

01-01-2006, 09:37 PM

Also, how many people would write a letter to the editor to say that Eva didn't do anything prior to today's issue?

The one letter commented on the poor placement of the story. I am only guessing that there may have been other letters complaining about the placement of the story along with the possibility that it was run to give negative exposure to Eva. I recall the negative stories last season on how she was a distraction to Tony and how she was somehow a negative influence on the team. Even Buck Harvey's column today took a few supposedly funny jabs at her. As I said, I am only guessing that there have been a few positive letters, but we'll never know because the EN doesn't run them. Or at least they haven't so far. I usually see rebuttal letters to editorials, so I'll be looking to see if they print some here.

T Park

01-01-2006, 09:54 PM

spurschick

01-01-2006, 10:05 PM

Then she needs to pick up sewing, spinning, yoga, or whatever the fuck.

Excuse me all to hell. I thought this was an open forum.

Samr

01-01-2006, 10:08 PM

TPark, I really wish you would learn to make sense. Sounding intelligent and complaining are not mutually exclusive, you know.

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-01-2006, 10:40 PM

Id like to ask the people that complain about the placement.

What has happened in IRAQ any differently, THAT YOU HAVENT HEARD A MILLION TIMES ALREADY ON THE RADIO THAT DAY PREVIOUS??!?!?!

If thats all this person has to do, is beef about freakin placement of a story.

Then she needs to pick up sewing, spinning, yoga, or whatever the fuck.

Park,

Two points I'd like to address in your statement.

1. This isn't about Iraq, but the argument could be made that any events in Iraq meet more of the qualities of newsworthiness than the Parker story (but the Parker story met two and maybe three). Also, nobody is saying (much less M) that it should have been Iraq, only that it's an example of what they believe is more newsworthy than the Parker story.

2. Media outlets don't operate on what people MIGHT have heard on their competitors. Also, why solely trust radio, print, broadcast or online? Isn't it always best to hear multiple summaries of what goes on rather than just one.

I don't take into account that my audience might have read something in the San Marcos Daily Record. I ask my people to provide better coverage than they do and let my readers decide.

ADDITION: People who get their news from the radio get news differently than those in print.

People who get news from broadcast outlets benefit from immediate coverage as well as vivid visuals with regards to news while people who get news from print tend to have more in-depth stories that go deeper than what can be said in thirty seconds.

ONE MORE THING: Looking at the front page from that day, there really wasn't anything that deserved dominance that didn't get it. The story over the fold with the dominant image is a tease to a story about the tsunami remembrance.

The story to the right (HIV drug efforts) of "Desperate" has a bolder headline, but it's wire whereas Longoria is local (bylined by their reporter). The other local pieces are about the Saints visuals being removed from the Dome and an update on a local civil trial.

It's looking more and more than the Longoria piece didn't stand above the rest to make the above-the-fold placement, but was the most interesting of the front page's content and fell into that placement.

N.Y. Johnny

01-01-2006, 10:44 PM

Exactly! Some of the local media outlets have a more live-and-let-live approach (WOAI) and I applaud them for that. If the Express-News is so hard up to sell papers that they need to constantly strike out against her to make a buck, they should get better columnists and increase their circulation the right way. And KSAT is just a fucking joke.

The EN is a hack fishwrap. I only get it because my Puggle likes to take shits on it.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles.lawrie/mainpic.jpg

Silver21_Black20

01-01-2006, 10:47 PM

The EN is a hack fishwrap. I only get it because my Puggle likes to take shits on it.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles.lawrie/mainpic.jpg

You have a Puggle...how cute.

spurschick

01-01-2006, 10:50 PM

The EN is a hack fishwrap. I only get it because my Puggle likes to take shits on it.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~charles.lawrie/mainpic.jpg

:lmao He's sooooo cute!

And damn you Johnny_Blaze_47 for your journalism logic. :smokin

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-01-2006, 10:51 PM

:lmao He's sooooo cute!

And damn you Johnny_Blaze_47 for your journalism logic. :smokin

Hey, it's what I do. :lol

spurschick

01-01-2006, 10:56 PM

Hey, it's what I do. :lol

I will keep in mind that I should never try to have an irrational argument with you. You'd be one of those guys who would be all logical and shit and really piss me off. :spin

N.Y. Johnny

01-01-2006, 10:57 PM

Yes I have a puggle and his name is "Ozzy" named after Ozzy Osbourne..seriously, I will be lucky if he doesn't get rabies from stunned bats he might bite heads off or piss all over my carpet.

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-01-2006, 10:58 PM

I will keep in mind that I should never try to have an irrational argument with you. You'd be one of those guys who would be all logical and shit and really piss me off. :spin

Just with journalism...:lol

We'll talk some journalism ethics either at the next GTG or during a time-out at a future game.

spurschick

01-01-2006, 11:00 PM

We'll talk some journalism ethics either at the next GTG or during a time-out at a future game.

Wow... you sure know how to turn a girl on. You must really get all the chicks with that line. :lol Can I have a few cocktails before we discuss the history of Edward R. Murrow?

Old School Chic

01-01-2006, 11:12 PM

The more people talk about Eva and Tony the better for them. $$$

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-01-2006, 11:27 PM

Wow... you sure know how to turn a girl on. You must really get all the chicks with that line. :lol Can I have a few cocktails before we discuss the history of Edward R. Murrow?

Nice one. :lol I tells ya, nothing makes the panties drop more than a discussion about the problems caused by the decline of two-newspaper cities.

I only talk J-ethics if asked (or provoked), actually.

Trainwreck2100

01-01-2006, 11:29 PM

Do you really believe that it deserved the high profile coverage that it got?

Does she deserve to get center stage at every game when others have been to Spurs game longer, and actually bought the tickets instead of boning the Starting PG, it's the price of stardom.

And I completely agree with you that it's the individuals who are doing the bashing and not the media.
Which reminds me

http://www.mikebentley.com/bike/sparta/pics/tunn4.jpg

Samr

01-02-2006, 01:51 AM

Which reminds me

...not to turn my jokes into unoriginal commedic trainwrecks as well.

Trainwreck2100

01-02-2006, 01:54 AM

...not to turn my jokes into unoriginal commedic trainwrecks as well.

unoriginal?

Samr

01-02-2006, 01:57 AM

Can I have a few cocktails before we discuss the history of Edward R. Murrow?

I believe seeing "Goodnight and Good Luck," or at least knowing the history of the story (no pun intended), should be a pre-requisite for anyone who wants to start talking shit about media ethics.

Judith Miller would still have a job with the Times if it weren't for the little pricks who want journalism to be defined by certain, set boundaries.

While I believe what they said about Eva was wrong, and the way they printed it sent the wrong message, it is the right of the press to do that. In fact, I almost prefer it that way. Journalism is supposed to be biased. It is supposed to have a slant, whether you agree with it or not. If it wasn't biased, we'd call it "history" and our newspapers would come with hard binding.

Horray for individual opinions and freedom of the press. Horray for the ability to agree and disagree. You may not like it all the time, but it's better than reading from a text book.

The Cougar

01-02-2006, 02:26 AM

I agree with what some of the original letters said, while it is bordeline newsworthy, it should not have been front page material. It didn't affect our city country or world, that Eva supposidely may have offended somebody

SequSpur

01-02-2006, 09:50 AM

the baseline bums suck anyway.

travis2

01-02-2006, 11:12 AM

I believe seeing "Goodnight and Good Luck," or at least knowing the history of the story (no pun intended), should be a pre-requisite for anyone who wants to start talking shit about media ethics.

Judith Miller would still have a job with the Times if it weren't for the little pricks who want journalism to be defined by certain, set boundaries.

While I believe what they said about Eva was wrong, and the way they printed it sent the wrong message, it is the right of the press to do that. In fact, I almost prefer it that way. Journalism is supposed to be biased. It is supposed to have a slant, whether you agree with it or not. If it wasn't biased, we'd call it "history" and our newspapers would come with hard binding.

Horray for individual opinions and freedom of the press. Horray for the ability to agree and disagree. You may not like it all the time, but it's better than reading from a text book.

Excuse me, but journalism is MOST DEFINITELY NOT supposed to have a slant.

You want a slant? Go to the opinion pages. That's what they are for.

News stories are supposed to be neutral.

angel_luv

01-02-2006, 11:51 AM

Certain media outlets chose not to run the story. If the EN would've run the story under the police blotter, I would've been fine with that, but it didn't deserve to be above the fold. And if enough people are writing in that they are tired of Eva, I can understand the EN running the opinions in their editorial, but I hope that people, other than myself, are writing in their opinions opposing the bashing and are given the same space in that section.

Are you talking about that section in the Metro? That is where I thought the story belonged.

spurschick

01-02-2006, 12:11 PM

Are you talking about that section in the Metro? That is where I thought the story belonged.

Precisely.

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-02-2006, 12:19 PM

Ladies, that's exactly what would have happened had the story involved you or me (hell, it wouldn't even have made it in there), but since it involved two of the cities most recognizable celebrities (and allegations of verbal abuse with a hint of racism), it meets more of the qualities of news (prominence).

The prominence of those involved meant it was much easier to have a reporter on the story, whereas you or I would have been in agate (very small type) on Metro page 637.

Phonzie20

01-02-2006, 01:00 PM

Man.. you people REALLY need another professional sports team STAT!

That was in 'jest' BTW.

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-02-2006, 01:24 PM

if it weren't for the little pricks who want journalism to be defined by certain, set boundaries.

Before I take that as an slam, what certain, set boundaries are you talking about?

And also, as travis2 said, news and opinions are two different sections and shouldn't be blurred between.

If people didn't want journalism to be "historical," newspapers wouldn't be deemed the "papers of record" for their respective communities.

spurschick

01-02-2006, 02:29 PM

Ladies, that's exactly what would have happened had the story involved you or me (hell, it wouldn't even have made it in there), but since it involved two of the cities most recognizable celebrities (and allegations of verbal abuse with a hint of racism), it meets more of the qualities of news (prominence).

So here's a question... if it was such a big deal and got picked up by every news wire, why did it completely disappear so quickly? Why haven't I heard or seen one mention of the aftermath anywhere?

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-02-2006, 02:47 PM

So here's a question... if it was such a big deal and got picked up by every news wire, why did it completely disappear so quickly? Why haven't I heard or seen one mention of the aftermath anywhere?

Really, what else was there to the story. The stories had the SAPD, the Longoria response, witness accounts, etc. (although I will give you that these recent witnesses haven't been heard from really).

But other than that, what real aftermath has there been.

Tony's gonna pay the ticket, the SAPD can't really do anything to Longoria if she did use racial slurs (and if she didn't, same thing) and it doesn't look like Longoria is suffering any blowback from her fans and foes.

People that hated her before still hate her and people that liked her before still do.

angel_luv

01-02-2006, 03:00 PM

spurs=bling

01-02-2006, 03:05 PM

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a172/Incognegress2/WhyDidIComeToThisThread.gif

xrayzebra

01-02-2006, 03:11 PM

They love the good stuff, hate the bad. They want the good stuff, they have
to put up with the bad. That simple. He plays good basketball, sometimes. She
is goodlooking and well.........

spurschick

01-02-2006, 03:55 PM

Really, what else was there to the story. The stories had the SAPD, the Longoria response, witness accounts, etc. (although I will give you that these recent witnesses haven't been heard from really).

THEN WHY IN THE HELL WAS IT ON THE FREAKIN' FRONT PAGE TO BEGIN WITH????!!!!! AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, I was just quietly reading my Sunday paper and the commentaries pissed me off. We've beaten this dead horse to a pulp, but I thank you for the intelligent conversation. :smokin

Johnny_Blaze_47

01-02-2006, 04:12 PM

THEN WHY IN THE HELL WAS IT ON THE FREAKIN' FRONT PAGE TO BEGIN WITH????!!!!! AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

Sorry, I was just quietly reading my Sunday paper and the commentaries pissed me off. We've beaten this dead horse to a pulp, but I thank you for the intelligent conversation. :smokin

It was a story when it happened, hence the first coverage.

You were asking previously why there wasn't follow-ups, and that's what my answer was to.