Should Finley keep starting?

[Kori Ellis]

:princess

[Brutalis]

Nope.

He still isn't consistant and a starting job didn't help him so bench his ass and hope for a spark when he comes into the game is my take.

[Budkin]

Manu should always start if he is healthy.

[boutons_]

No. Starting is special honor that Manu has earned by helping win 2 rings and generally be a credit to the Spurs organization.

Even if Michael were shooting 45% instead 40%, Manu should start.

[SequSpur]

Finley is a better player than Manu, he is also less prone to injury... Manu getting a few minutes off the bench is sufficient.

[spurjur]

I say no. Only because Manu plays better with Tony and Tim on the floor. Finley is obviously in a slump, but its not because of coming off the bench or because of starting. He's just in a slump.

[dougp]

Manu should start - he's earned it.

If Finley played like Manu does - he'd be hurting worse due to age, so let go of the nutsack Sequ.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Finley is a better player than Manu?!

At what? Chess? Connect Four? Surely you're talking about basketball.

[blackbucket]

Finley is a better player than Manu, he is also less prone to injury... Manu getting a few minutes off the bench is sufficient.

:lol this routine is getting tired

[SequSpur]

Finley's Resume

A two-time NBA All-Star (2000 and 2001)
Spurs are his third NBA team
Named to the 1996 All-Rookie First Team (finished third in Rookie of the Year voting)
Has earned NBA Player of the Week honors three times (2/6/00, 4/14/02, 1/18/04)
Scored his 10,000th career point vs. Memphis on 3/23/02
Has led the NBA in minutes three times (1996-97, 1999-2000 and 2000-01)
Competed in the Slam Dunk Contest in 1996 and 1997 (in 1996 he was the runner-up behind Brent Barry in the Alamodome)
The Mavericks all-time leader in three-pointers made (with 870)
Among Mavericks all-time leaders in games (fourth), minutes (third), points (fourth), rebounds (fourth), assists (fifth), steals (second), FG made (fourth) and FT made (fifth)
Started each of the last 605 games he played with the Mavericks
In his 10-year NBA career has appeared in 735 regular season games averaging 19.0 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 1.16 steals in 39.3 minutes per contest
Has appeared in 56 playoff games, averaging 17.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.27 steals in 41.4 minutes in the postseason
A member of the USA team that competed in the 2002 World Championships
Played for the Team USA squad in the 1994 World University Games
Was named USA Basketball's Male Athlete of the Year.

Ginobili's Resume

Career Highlights
In Spurs playoff history ranks seventh in points (835), third in 3PT-FG made (80), seventh in rebounds (278), seventh in assists (198), third in steals (86), seventh in 3PT-FG percentage (.392) and is tied for eighth - with George Gervin - in games (57)
Led Argentina to the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics averaging 19.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.38 steals in 29.9 minutes in eight games
Named Fox Sports en Espanol’s 2003 Latin American Basketball Player of the Year
Finished fourth in voting for the 2002-03 got milk NBA Rookie of the Year Award
Voted to the 2002-03 got milk? NBA All-Rookie Second Team
Named the Western Conference got milk? Rookie of the Month for games played in March, 2003
Named 2001 Euroleague Finals MVP
Named the Italian League MVP in both 2000-01 and 2001-02
Named to the All-Tournament Team at the 2002 World Championships leading Argentina to a silver medal
Led Argentina to a second place finish in the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Olympic Qualifying Tournament , earning All-Tournament honors after averaging 14.1 points and 4.4 assists in the team’s 10 games


Finley > Ginobili

Got Milk? :lol

[spurjur]

Finley's Resume

A two-time NBA All-Star (2000 and 2001)
Spurs are his third NBA team
Named to the 1996 All-Rookie First Team (finished third in Rookie of the Year voting)
Has earned NBA Player of the Week honors three times (2/6/00, 4/14/02, 1/18/04)
Scored his 10,000th career point vs. Memphis on 3/23/02
Has led the NBA in minutes three times (1996-97, 1999-2000 and 2000-01)
Competed in the Slam Dunk Contest in 1996 and 1997 (in 1996 he was the runner-up behind Brent Barry in the Alamodome)
The Mavericks all-time leader in three-pointers made (with 870)
Among Mavericks all-time leaders in games (fourth), minutes (third), points (fourth), rebounds (fourth), assists (fifth), steals (second), FG made (fourth) and FT made (fifth)
Started each of the last 605 games he played with the Mavericks
In his 10-year NBA career has appeared in 735 regular season games averaging 19.0 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 1.16 steals in 39.3 minutes per contest
Has appeared in 56 playoff games, averaging 17.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.27 steals in 41.4 minutes in the postseason
A member of the USA team that competed in the 2002 World Championships
Played for the Team USA squad in the 1994 World University Games
Was named USA Basketball's Male Athlete of the Year.

Ginobili's Resume

Career Highlights
In Spurs playoff history ranks seventh in points (835), third in 3PT-FG made (80), seventh in rebounds (278), seventh in assists (198), third in steals (86), seventh in 3PT-FG percentage (.392) and is tied for eighth - with George Gervin - in games (57)
Led Argentina to the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics averaging 19.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.38 steals in 29.9 minutes in eight games
Named Fox Sports en Espanol’s 2003 Latin American Basketball Player of the Year
Finished fourth in voting for the 2002-03 got milk NBA Rookie of the Year Award
Voted to the 2002-03 got milk? NBA All-Rookie Second Team
Named the Western Conference got milk? Rookie of the Month for games played in March, 2003
Named 2001 Euroleague Finals MVP
Named the Italian League MVP in both 2000-01 and 2001-02
Named to the All-Tournament Team at the 2002 World Championships leading Argentina to a silver medal
Led Argentina to a second place finish in the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Olympic Qualifying Tournament , earning All-Tournament honors after averaging 14.1 points and 4.4 assists in the team’s 10 games


Finley > Ginobili



Got Milk? :lol

Manu = 2 Rings
Finley = 0 rings

Manu > Finley

Got Rings? :owned

[doldrums]

Finley is a better player than Manu, he is also less prone to injury... Manu getting a few minutes off the bench is sufficient.

WTF, finley missed like 5 games already due to injury and is a one dimensional player, who when his shot is not on, is worthless. Manu delivers in many categories. Even the Nets announcers were puzzled last night when Manu wasn't starting. Marv Albert said he brings a lot to the table. You have an undeniable pattern on every issue that puts down players of a certain race.

[SequSpur]

Marv Albert? :lol

Finley is a stud. The number one free agent of the summer. Member?

Hey, but Manu gots milk... :)

[sa_butta]

I say for now keep starting Finley, it is still early in the season. And keeping Manu healthy is more important now.

[spurjur]

Marv Albert? :lol

Finley is a stud. The number one free agent of the summer. Member?

Hey, but Manu gots milk... :)

If he was a stud, why would Dallas release him? Oh yeah money. Riiight.

[spurjur]

I'm sure if Manu and Finley were both free agents this past Summer that teams would be lining up to sign Manu and have Finley as their backup plan.

[sa_butta]

I'm sure if Manu and Finley were both free agents this past Summer that teams would be lining up to sign Manu and have Finley as their backup plan.Right off the bat Manu is younger.
Do you think the same would be true if they were the same age?

[Horry For 3!]

No. Put him back on the bench and put Manu back into the starting lineup.

[BigVee]

No, time to go back to championship starting five, including Nazr.

[Spurminator]

No.

Manu creates havoc at the beginning of the game that often sets the tone for the rest of the game. While I like his spark off the bench, his tenacity on the defensive end drives offenses nuts and creates sloppiness from the get-go. I like having him on the floor for the first two minutes for this reason.

[SequSpur]

Look at last nights game......

The Nets were killing the Spurs in the first quarter... In comes Manu and the Spurs take control of the game..

Now... what if Manu would've started and they started off slow... who is going to come in and be the spark? Barry? Beno? :lol

Manu has to have limited minutes or he might pull a ear muscle or something.... He is better bench player.... hey...... he may even get a 6th man award... he can put it in the Argentina Manu Shrine back home. Woohoo!

[abelle23]

start manu!!!!!! finley doesnt play as good as manu whether he start or come off the bench...

[SequSpur]

OK.... what is the problem with Manu coming off the bench? Because he doesn't get his named called with the laser lights? Should we just say Manu instead of yall ready for this?

WTF is the difference?

[sa_butta]

OK.... what is the problem with Manu coming off the bench? Because he doesn't get his named called with the laser lights? Should we just say Manu instead of yall ready for this?

WTF is the difference?Thank you, really who gives a shit if he starts, just go with what is working. Right now it is working. Good point about spark of the bench. Finley is not a "spark". Coming off the bench in this game does not always mean you are the least qualified for the job. I agree Manu is a better player, but that is not the argument here.

[SouthernFried]

I think we can use Finley better than we have. Use him like Detroit uses RIP...coming off a screen for an open jumper. Finley is the best, if not the only Spur, that has that ability. Use it.

If Pop can do that, than I'd say keep Finley in the starting lineup. If Pop can work those plays into our game, and it would be easier to do with the starting lineup...than you'd be getting the most out of Finley. Manu doesn't need that type of setup that a Rip or a Finley does...so, coming off the bench wouldn't matter as much.

Finley is an all star player, and is still capable of all-star performances...it's up to Pop to see it, and use it. If he can't...start Manu.

Of course that would require some actual offensive sets and coordination...and a point guard who is running an offense and setting up for assists rather than points.

hmmmm.....

[spurjur]

When Manu comes into the game and Tim and Tony aren't on the floor, Manu becomes the primary scorer. Teams know this and will focus on Manu making it more difficult for Manu to score.

When he is on the floor with both Tim and Tony, Manu is not the main focus for the oponent's defense, Tim is, making it easier for Manu to score.

[Obstructed_View]

Finley isn't mentally strong enough to deal with coming off the bench. Who finishes the game is more important anyway.

[spurschick]

According to what Pop has said recently, Manu is coming off the bench because there is nobody else on the bench who will provide that 6th man spark. I thought we were supposed to have this killer bench this season - what happened to that?! First it was Hedo, then Barry... now Manu has to sacrifice his earned starting spot again because nobody else on the bench has stepped up? I know that Manu is going to do what is best for the team, but I know that I would be a little miffed if I were in his shoes.

Now, Pop has also said that he wants 2 of his main 3 on the floor at all times, which I can't argue with. That can't happen if Manu starts, so I see the logic there. Our record is good, but I wish that we could rely on some of our other bench players.

[2centsworth]

According to what Pop has said recently, Manu is coming off the bench because there is nobody else on the bench who will provide that 6th man spark. I thought we were supposed to have this killer bench this season - what happened to that?! First it was Hedo, then Barry... now Manu has to sacrifice his earned starting spot again because nobody else on the bench has stepped up? I know that Manu is going to do what is best for the team, but I know that I would be a little miffed if I were in his shoes.

Now, Pop has also said that he wants 2 of his main 3 on the floor at all times, which I can't argue with. That can't happen if Manu starts, so I see the logic there. Our record is good, but I wish that we could rely on some of our other bench players.
well said.

[DieMrBond]

In my opinion, yes - but only for now. Manus still getting into game shape, isnt he? When hes back to 100%, then make the switch.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I like Manu coming off the bench, but that's the weapon Pop usually saves for the playoffs. The team always looks stronger with Manu coming in to energize the second unit and then being Mr. Clutch in the 4th quarter.

[smeagol]

Manu should start just to piss off the little fellow.

[ChumpDumper]

I think we can use Finley better than we have. Use him like Detroit uses RIP...coming off a screen for an open jumper. Finley is the best, if not the only Spur, that has that ability. Use it.Very good point. Catch and shoot off the curl can be deadly and much higher percentage than a three pointer.

As for Manu, I like having him off the bench so either he or Tony is always in the game to attack the basket. Otherwise we look alot like 2001 out there.

[Spurminator]

As for Manu, I like having him off the bench so either he or Tony is always in the game to attack the basket. Otherwise we look alot like 2001 out there.

If the beginning of the season is any indication, Manu would sit after six minutes, Tony would play the whole first quarter, and it would be Manu/NVE to start the second quarter. So I think you still have that option.

It could really work either way. One of the things I miss, though, is Manu's ability to take the opening tipoff in for an easy layup in 5 seconds. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

One of the things I miss, though, is Manu's ability to take the opening tipoff in for an easy layup in 5 seconds. :lol
I was thinking the same thing. Manu is the only reason the jump ball doesn't suck.

[ALVAREZ6]

The little fellow is such a fucking bitch. I think he truly loves Manu, so he trash talks on his ass constantly so no one suspects it.








:spin

[beirmeistr]

Finley should definitely NOT keep on starting. He was hired to come off the bench, and if he is the professional everyone says he is, then he should deliver off the bench.
Manu should not have to defer to Hedo, Brent, and now Mike for the same reason---they are not comfortable coming off the bench and Manu is so good at instant offense. If that was the panacea for success, then Phil Jackson should be using Kobe off the bench for his instant offense.
If Manu were an American player, he would have already stood up for his rights as a starter. He has earned that position.

[himat]

Finley's Resume

A two-time NBA All-Star (2000 and 2001)
Spurs are his third NBA team
Named to the 1996 All-Rookie First Team (finished third in Rookie of the Year voting)
Has earned NBA Player of the Week honors three times (2/6/00, 4/14/02, 1/18/04)
Scored his 10,000th career point vs. Memphis on 3/23/02
Has led the NBA in minutes three times (1996-97, 1999-2000 and 2000-01)
Competed in the Slam Dunk Contest in 1996 and 1997 (in 1996 he was the runner-up behind Brent Barry in the Alamodome)
The Mavericks all-time leader in three-pointers made (with 870)
Among Mavericks all-time leaders in games (fourth), minutes (third), points (fourth), rebounds (fourth), assists (fifth), steals (second), FG made (fourth) and FT made (fifth)
Started each of the last 605 games he played with the Mavericks
In his 10-year NBA career has appeared in 735 regular season games averaging 19.0 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 1.16 steals in 39.3 minutes per contest
Has appeared in 56 playoff games, averaging 17.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.27 steals in 41.4 minutes in the postseason
A member of the USA team that competed in the 2002 World Championships
Played for the Team USA squad in the 1994 World University Games
Was named USA Basketball's Male Athlete of the Year.

Ginobili's Resume

Career Highlights
In Spurs playoff history ranks seventh in points (835), third in 3PT-FG made (80), seventh in rebounds (278), seventh in assists (198), third in steals (86), seventh in 3PT-FG percentage (.392) and is tied for eighth - with George Gervin - in games (57)
Led Argentina to the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics averaging 19.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.38 steals in 29.9 minutes in eight games
Named Fox Sports en Espanol’s 2003 Latin American Basketball Player of the Year
Finished fourth in voting for the 2002-03 got milk NBA Rookie of the Year Award
Voted to the 2002-03 got milk? NBA All-Rookie Second Team
Named the Western Conference got milk? Rookie of the Month for games played in March, 2003
Named 2001 Euroleague Finals MVP
Named the Italian League MVP in both 2000-01 and 2001-02
Named to the All-Tournament Team at the 2002 World Championships leading Argentina to a silver medal
Led Argentina to a second place finish in the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Olympic Qualifying Tournament , earning All-Tournament honors after averaging 14.1 points and 4.4 assists in the team’s 10 games


Finley > Ginobili

Got Milk? :lol


partially agree, manu has more potential, but finley is more consistant besides last year's playoffs ginobili hasn't been that amazing.

[ALVAREZ6]

Finley's Resume

A two-time NBA All-Star (2000 and 2001)
Spurs are his third NBA team
Named to the 1996 All-Rookie First Team (finished third in Rookie of the Year voting)
Has earned NBA Player of the Week honors three times (2/6/00, 4/14/02, 1/18/04)
Scored his 10,000th career point vs. Memphis on 3/23/02
Has led the NBA in minutes three times (1996-97, 1999-2000 and 2000-01)
Competed in the Slam Dunk Contest in 1996 and 1997 (in 1996 he was the runner-up behind Brent Barry in the Alamodome)
The Mavericks all-time leader in three-pointers made (with 870)
Among Mavericks all-time leaders in games (fourth), minutes (third), points (fourth), rebounds (fourth), assists (fifth), steals (second), FG made (fourth) and FT made (fifth)
Started each of the last 605 games he played with the Mavericks
In his 10-year NBA career has appeared in 735 regular season games averaging 19.0 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 1.16 steals in 39.3 minutes per contest
Has appeared in 56 playoff games, averaging 17.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.27 steals in 41.4 minutes in the postseason
A member of the USA team that competed in the 2002 World Championships
Played for the Team USA squad in the 1994 World University Games
Was named USA Basketball's Male Athlete of the Year.

Ginobili's Resume

Career Highlights
In Spurs playoff history ranks seventh in points (835), third in 3PT-FG made (80), seventh in rebounds (278), seventh in assists (198), third in steals (86), seventh in 3PT-FG percentage (.392) and is tied for eighth - with George Gervin - in games (57)
Led Argentina to the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics averaging 19.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.38 steals in 29.9 minutes in eight games
Named Fox Sports en Espanol’s 2003 Latin American Basketball Player of the Year
Finished fourth in voting for the 2002-03 got milk NBA Rookie of the Year Award
Voted to the 2002-03 got milk? NBA All-Rookie Second Team
Named the Western Conference got milk? Rookie of the Month for games played in March, 2003
Named 2001 Euroleague Finals MVP
Named the Italian League MVP in both 2000-01 and 2001-02
Named to the All-Tournament Team at the 2002 World Championships leading Argentina to a silver medal
Led Argentina to a second place finish in the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Olympic Qualifying Tournament , earning All-Tournament honors after averaging 14.1 points and 4.4 assists in the team’s 10 games


Finley > Ginobili

Got Milk? :lol

Since when does a runer-up dunk compitition mean anything in terms of being a better player?? Manu has played in more NBA play-off games than Finley, but he hasn't been in the NBA for nearly as long. Some of those things on the resume mean absolutely nothing.


Maybe Finley has accomplished more things and awards in the NBA, but right now, Manu is a better player. Maybe Finley was better in his prime, but he is not in his prime, and Manu should start.

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

partially agree, manu has more potential, but finley is more consistant besides last year's playoffs ginobili hasn't been that amazing.

Maybe that has to do with Ginobili's role always getting twisted this way and that way. It still surprises me he can produce the way he does being jerked around so much for these mentally soft players that aren't effective unless they start.

I agree with BigVee, go back to the original starting 5 (with Nazr in place of Rasho) and try to establish some consistency instead of these jekyll and hyde lineups Popovich keeps throwing out there.

[ALVAREZ6]

It still surprises me he can produce the way he does being jerked around so much for these mentally soft players that aren't effective unless they start.

Sequ, since you posted Finley's resume, and how it shows how great he is and all of his accomplishments...shouldn't Finley be able to produce no matter what his role is??? I mean, he has played 735 regular season games.



Mentally soft is the exact term for Finley right now.

[Manu20]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/madhu1126/Spurs%20Scrimmage/Spurs089.jpg

Manu's number one fan! (Sequ) :lol

[exstatic]

Finley only plays well when Manu is inactive. Even though he's still starting, his play has been for shit since Manu is back. 37% FG% when playing off Duncan is a disgrace.

Finley would be this year's Barry if Brent weren't doing an encore in his second year.

[Rummpd]

SequSpur the only things that count are championships here and internatonal and Manu>Finley. Plus you cannot measure clutch and Manu is clutch.



I could even make an arguement that Barry > Finley in a starting role while working Ginoblili (and lately in limiited minutes has been more aggressive).but whatever = Manu is a stud and needs to start period.

[grjr]

Very good point. Catch and shoot off the curl can be deadly and much higher percentage than a three pointer.


Actually Manu is quite good at this shot also (probably as reliable as Finley)and it is hardly ever run for him. I've always wondered why that is.

[exstatic]

Finley blows.

[Chris]

Yes, Manu is better off the bench and needs downtime in order to prepare for the playoffs where he will see at least 25 minutes a game.

[T Park]

Yeah Finley sure blew when he was winning games singlehandedly there for a while.


Hes in a shooting slump, christ people.

[Que Gee]

Finley only plays well when Manu is inactive. Even though he's still starting, his play has been for shit since Manu is back. 37% FG% when playing off Duncan is a disgrace.

Finley would be this year's Barry if Brent weren't doing an encore in his second year.

You know its funny...its about time someone finally called out the Finley issue....He hasn't been playing well at all...The title of this thread shouldn't be whether he should start or not...it should be whether he should be playing right now. When Barry played like this last year...Pop benched his ass for about 10 games....Why isn't he doing that with Finley? Barry has barely been playing in the last month or so...I see no reason why he shouldnt get a shot at getting his 25 to 28 minutes a night back since Finley hasn't exactly been consistent. Especially since Barry adds ball movement to the equation which Finley doesn't. And don't give me any of that "well Finley is better of defense" crap, because thats BS. Barry has more dimensions than Finley and the Spurs lack of ball movement is an issue.

[T Park]

Why isn't he doing that with Finley?

cause Finley is actually rebounding and giving effort on defense.

Unlike Brent Barry.


Barry has barely been playing in the last month or so...I see no reason why he shouldnt get a shot

I see no reason why Barry should get a shot either.


And don't give me any of that "well Finley is better of defense" crap, because thats BS.

your tryin to tell me that Barry is better defensively??

Interesting.....


Barry has more dimensions than Finley

like what.

Passing??

True, that gutless wonder passes up alot of open shots.

[Obstructed_View]

Finley is doing a better job of earning his money than Barry is.

[T Park]

Brent Barry, ranks up there, as the worst offseason moves this franchise has ever made.

Yes yes Rasho is included in that list.

[Obstructed_View]

Brent Barry, ranks up there, as the worst offseason moves this franchise has ever made.

Yes yes Rasho is included in that list.
You haven't been a fan of the Spurs for very long if you actually believe that. Who really thought Barry would go into a two year shooting slump? Where's your post saying that you knew that was going to happen? No? Well at least he made some baskets in the playoffs when it mattered. That's more than a lot of guys for this team have done in the past. Is he a dissapointment? No question, but he's light years ahead of some of the guys this team has signed, traded for or drafted. That doesn't mean he shouldn't trade in his vagina and start showing up and earning his money, considering he practically begged to be here.

[Que Gee]

Brent Barry, ranks up there, as the worst offseason moves this franchise has ever made.

Yes yes Rasho is included in that list.

Classic...Basically your just riding Finley because of what you remember Finley being. Yep...Brent is a better passer and ball handler. Right now the ball movement on the Spurs is terrible...The offense always flows better when Barry is in. Now if you want to say Barry passes up to many shots...I'm not going to disagree with you there.

Is Barry a better defensive player than Finley? I never said that, so don't state it like I did. But Barry certainly is not any worse. All you are doing is going on "reputation" instead of actually what is going on out on the court now.

My point is, Finley isn't doing DICK...His stats aren't any better than Barry's and he's getting 30 minutes a game. Barry played this way last year, and its the "worst off season pick up in history?" Come Pistons series, he was a factor as Tony had his melt down in 6 and 7.

[T Park]

Well at least he made some baskets in the playoffs when it mattered

1 game

Game 1 vs Phoenix


what other games, did he make shots in that made a difference?



That doesn't mean he shouldn't trade in his vagina and start showing up and earning his money, considering he practically begged to be here

actually I think he was close to signing with Portland, and changed his mind.


How I wish he went the other way.....

[exstatic]

I gave Finley his props. He plays well when Manu is inactive. Unfortunately, when Manu is in uniform, he sucks donkey balls.

[T Park]

Basically your just riding Finley because of what you remember Finley being

Yeah my memory goes back a whole couple weeks.



Brent is a better passer and ball handler. Right now the ball movement on the Spurs is terrible...The offense always flows better when Barry is in. Now if you want to say Barry passes up to many shots...I'm not going to disagree with you there.

Is Barry a better defensive player than Finley? I never said that, so don't state it like I did. But Barry certainly is not any worse. All you are doing is going on "reputation" instead of actually what is going on out on the court now.

My point is, Finley isn't doing DICK...His stats aren't any better than Barry's and he's getting 30 minutes a game. Barry played this way last year, and its the "worst off season pick up in history?" Come Pistons series, he was a factor as Tony had his melt down in 6 and 7.

Parker melted down in 6 and 7?


Another moron who cant spell D E F E N S E.


its all about offense with you stat geeks.

Once again,

what was Parker's shooting percentage on the road in the finals?

[T Park]

Unfortunately, when Manu is in uniform, he sucks donkey balls

Who was the leading scorer against Portland?

[Que Gee]

Why is everybody so chickenshit to point out Finley's lack of presence and "making" shots? His shooting skills have been woefully inadequate but everyone just ignores it and still wants to bag on Barry? Bizarre. Barry is getting less than 20 minutes a game...and AGAIN just like last year, check out his stats when he gets over 20 a game...JUST LIKE LAST YEAR his numbers are ALOT better.

[T Park]

Because maybe Finley's ability to make shots won this team some games back in December??

Or did you forget that already.

[angel_luv]

I don't know. At this point I am trusting Pop's greater vision.

[Que Gee]

Yeah my memory goes back a whole couple weeks.




Parker melted down in 6 and 7?


Another moron who cant spell D E F E N S E.


its all about offense with you stat geeks.

Once again,

what was Parker's shooting percentage on the road in the finals?

Your an idiot...I don't even know if I should respond to your garbage. All about offense? What the fuck are you talking about? I was just making a point talking about stats. My point is that all being equal, Barry adds more to the offense of the Spurs than Finley does. Finley keeps getting the minutes and why? He hasn't been producing? Barry went through this last year and again, like I stated earlier...he stopped playing. Why hasn't Finley been sat down? Thats my point in all of this. T Park, have you ever picked up a basketball? I mean besides the Nerf one that may be laying around your living room.

[exstatic]

Who was the leading scorer against Portland?

Is this a trick question? Tony and Tim with 18 apiece. WTF does this have to do with Mike Worthless?

[Que Gee]

1 game

Game 1 vs Phoenix


what other games, did he make shots in that made a difference?




actually I think he was close to signing with Portland, and changed his mind.


How I wish he went the other way.....

Barry played the point well for the Spurs in game 6 and 7 when Parker was struggling...how quickly we forget. Are you saying Barry begged to be in San Antonio? Because if you are, now you are just talking dumb.

[Obstructed_View]

Are you saying Barry begged to be in San Antonio? Because if you are, now you are just talking dumb.

I said that. Do a search for the phrase "Get me out of here"

[T Park]

Is this a trick question? Tony and Tim with 18 apiece. WTF does this have to do with Mike Worthless

I believe Finley was the leading scorer.

Ginobili played in that game.

You said EVERY game.

Just pointing it out..



Your an idiot...I don't even know if I should respond to your garbage. All about offense? What the fuck are you talking about? I was just making a point talking about stats. My point is that all being equal, Barry adds more to the offense of the Spurs than Finley does. Finley keeps getting the minutes and why? He hasn't been producing? Barry went through this last year and again, like I stated earlier...he stopped playing. Why hasn't Finley been sat down? Thats my point in all of this. T Park, have you ever picked up a basketball? I mean besides the Nerf one that may be laying around your living room.

If he adds more to the offense, wouldn't he play more??

Oh yeah, he adds less, because he refuses to shoot like a more scared Hedo Turkoglu, and his swiss cheese defense is unacceptable.

Finley gets more minutes why? Cause he is new to the system and he actually plays SOME defense, and rebounds the ball.

Have I ever picked up a basketball?? yes, but I have nothing to do with Finley or Brent Barry, stick to the discussion.


Barry played the point well for the Spurs in game 6 and 7 when Parker was struggling

WRong, when Udrih was struggling.

If Pop couldve played Parker 48 minutes without him getting tired, he wouldve.

Parker leaving the games was the reasons they were losing leads.

I never said Barry begged to be here, but he didnt exactly throw a fit signing here..

I was at the forefrunt and one of the big Barry fans last year, and I was fighting Ex all last year against him, but the freakin game against Seattle in game 5

20 minutes 00000000000000000000000000000000000

sent me over the edge..

If you prefer a player, that can play 20 minutes, and not seemingly get a rebound, assist, foul, ANYTHING,

over a guy thats playing defense, rebounding, and making freethrows and going to the basket, and actually SHOOTING the ball.

Then you my friend, should be questioned if you have ever picked up a basketball.

[kolko]

I believe Finley was the leading scorer.

Ginobili played in that game.

You said EVERY game.

Just pointing it out..

Finley scored 11 pts in that game while Manu scored 15 pts.

[T Park]

against Portland??

Then Sean Elliott spoke wrong.

[kolko]

against Portland??

Then Sean Elliott spoke wrong.

Yes. I think you are talking about the game vs Hornets where Finley was the leading scorer with 18 and Manu scored 14.

[T Park]

hmmm

maybe it was.......

[T Park]

and to answer the question.

No, Finley shouldn't.

Its time to to start getting a semblence of of a rotation, and the rotation is

Rasho
Duncan
Bowen
Ginobili
Parker

then off the bench

Horry
Finley

then Ginobili back in for Bowen, Duncan out Rasho or Nazr back in.



Time to start getting the rotation back under control.

[orhe]

well i really think the spurs are better w/ manu coming off the bench :D
but the spurs really need to run more plays for him.

[SequSpur]

I gave Finley his props. He plays well when Manu is inactive. Unfortunately, when Manu is in uniform, he sucks donkey balls.

your takes suck donkey balls.

[spurschick]

Come what may, I would really like to see Manu start tonight. I know we need his energy off the bench, but I think we need his energy more from the start tonight. IMO, the first few minutes of tonight's game are crucial.

[TMTTRIO]

Come what may, I would really like to see Manu start tonight. I know we need his energy off the bench, but I think we need his energy more from the start tonight. IMO, the first few minutes of tonight's game are crucial.

I was thinking the same thing. We really can't start slow tonight like the last time we played the Pistons and tonight's a night were we really need Manu from the start.

[Uncle Donnie]

No. If it were any other player this whole discussion would be ridiculous. But because Pop has done this with Manu before it somehow legitimizes it. Manu didn't to anything to warrant losing the spot (quite the opposite). He is playing much better than the player starting ahead of him. Starting has done little if anything to help Finley's game, so what is the debate?

The "spark off the bench" argument is weak. What about the spark starting the game? What about NVE/Finley/Barry/Horry providing a spark off the bench? Why don't we bench Parker and start NVE so Parker can provide a spark off the bench?

I like Finley a lot. I think he'll come around and provide a major contribution this season. But IMO the starting thing hurts him more than it helps. He knows he didn't earn the spot. He knows it's not guaranteed. Let him come off the bench and adjust to that role with some consistency.

[1Parker1]

Manu needs to start. Finley and Barry need to get their offense going. Period. Yes, Manu provides a spark of the bench, but that's why we have two past All Stars and Robert Horry.

[wildbill2u]

:princess

If we assume Manu is completely healed, he should start. He has that indefinable 'something' --some call it the will to win--that makes his play critical to the effectiveness of the team.

Secondly, and I don't think anyone has brought this up, Finley on the bench means he comes in and plays mostly against the bench players of the other team.

While he may not be quite as effective against the first team players of other teams because of his age, in most cases, he should still be able to perform better than the opposing bench players.

It's all about matchups and this would give an advantage in matchups for both Manu and Finley.

[austinfan]

Come what may, I would really like to see Manu start tonight. I know we need his energy off the bench, but I think we need his energy more from the start tonight. IMO, the first few minutes of tonight's game are crucial.

ITA with this. We cannot get into a pattern tonight of being behind and playing catch up, or the Pistons will completely take advantage of that. And I know they shut him down in Games 3 and 4 of the Finals last year, but in the first two games, Manu got inside their head and drove them nuts. There's something about Manu--his crazy, unpredictable moves and especially his hell-bent-for-leather defense--that knocks the Pistons off their game, and we need every weapon in our arsenal to beat them tonight.

As for Finley, he's improving, but he should be coming off the bench until he has proved that he has a strong enough offensive/defensive package to play against the opposing team's first string. The one I think we really need to worry about is Van Exel.

[101A]

and to answer the question.

No, Finley shouldn't.

Its time to to start getting a semblence of of a rotation, and the rotation is

Rasho
Duncan
Bowen
Ginobili
Parker

then off the bench

Horry
Finley

then Ginobili back in for Bowen, Duncan out Rasho or Nazr back in.



Time to start getting the rotation back under control.

Why? It's January, Spurs have a 2 game lead in the conference - and will most likely own the tie-breaker having already beaten Dallas at home, and having a signifigant lead in conference records (5 games, I think).

Pop can tinker, mix, match and learn; makes the finished product that much better.

[beirmeistr]

No. If it were any other player this whole discussion would be ridiculous. But because Pop has done this with Manu before it somehow legitimizes it. Manu didn't to anything to warrant losing the spot (quite the opposite). He is playing much better than the player starting ahead of him. Starting has done little if anything to help Finley's game, so what is the debate?

The "spark off the bench" argument is weak. What about the spark starting the game? What about NVE/Finley/Barry/Horry providing a spark off the bench? Why don't we bench Parker and start NVE so Parker can provide a spark off the bench?

I like Finley a lot. I think he'll come around and provide a major contribution this season. But IMO the starting thing hurts him more than it helps. He knows he didn't earn the spot. He knows it's not guaranteed. Let him come off the bench and adjust to that role with some consistency.
Well said, Uncle Donnie.

[ginobme]

No dice Donnie......the spark off the bench isnt a weak argument. This is marathon not a sprint, yeah a spark right off the bat is nice but sustaining that spark is the key. We normally get a pretty good spark between Timmy, Tony and Michael at the beginning of games and Manu checks in to sustain it or build on it. I would rather have a guy whos been in the system for a couple years coming off the bench to ignite this team when we're down, instead of a first year free agent still adjusting to his role.

[abelle23]

No dice Donnie......the spark off the bench isnt a weak argument. This is marathon not a sprint, yeah a spark right off the bat is nice but sustaining that spark is the key. We normally get a pretty good spark between Timmy, Tony and Michael at the beginning of games and Manu checks in to sustain it or build on it. I would rather have a guy whos been in the system for a couple years coming off the bench to ignite this team when we're down, instead of a first year free agent still adjusting to his role.

how can he adjust and get used to it when he is not doing his role w/c is supposed to be a backup for manu?...thats what he is there for and thats what he signed up for ... manu should not be the one to sacrifice and give up a starting spot that he so well deserved because the bench could not perform..you dont bench one of the top players in your team...

[ChumpDumper]

how can he adjust and get used to it when he is not doing his role w/c is supposed to be a backup for manu?...thats what he is there for and thats what he signed up for ... manu should not be the one to sacrifice and give up a starting spot that he so well deserved because the bench could not perform..you dont bench one of the top players in your team...Ok, so the team's championship chances should be sacrificed for the sake of Manu's fans.

Same difference.

If Finley doesn't play any better as a starter, it doesn't matter.

[vanvannen]

Why is people acting like Finley as a starter is worth benching Manu? He has played like CRAP as a starter. Take a look at his numbers. He's done terrible, and we need our best guys to be on the court, as simple as that.
If we used the same argument, why don't we bench Timmy so Rasho could get his confidence back? Or we could bench Tony, who is having an All Star season to do the same to NVE, what do you say folks?

[ChumpDumper]

He has played like CRAP as a starter. Take a look at his numbers.I did. They're better as a starter.

[ALVAREZ6]

I did. They're better as a starter.
But they still suck, and when he came off the bench, they were his first games with his new team. It's not like Finley only wasn't doing too well because he wasn't starting, the fact that he is new to the team has to do with it to.

I bet if you benched finley right now he would play better.

[ChumpDumper]

I bet if you benched finley right now he would play better.I'm not sure it really matters at this point for him. A slump is a slump.

[ALVAREZ6]

I'm not sure it really matters at this point for him. A slump is a slump.
Pretty big slump if you ask me...

:spin

[ChumpDumper]

And benching will only help, right?

[T Park]

lol

the argentinian people's arrogance is somethin else....

[ChumpDumper]

Well it certainly is vexing that we can't get any consistency off the bench behind Manu after three or four tries. I understand their frustration, but they have to understand 1) it's not the San Antonio Manus and 2) it's a long ass season. If anyone else shows any hint of being consistently good off the bench, Manu will probably start.

[boutons_]

'benching will only help"

Playing him isn't fucking helping.

45% for his career,
40% as Spur,
way under 40% in past 4 games,
and 304th in Leage in FG%.

He's as much of a scoring bust now as Brent was this time last year.
He just seems more comfortable, and for some reason less attacked, as a bust than Brent was. :)

He's nothing but a scorer and he ain't scoring.

Let Manu go for 35 minutes tonight, if that's what it takes to win.

I want Mike to succeed as much as I want/ed Brent to succeed.

But Manu deserves to play fucking ball and the Spurs need some wins.

[ChumpDumper]

Let Manu go for 35 minutes tonight, if that's what it takes to win.I'd be all for that if I thought Manu would last the season.

[NyKco]

Simply Manu...

Manu is a Star of the league

[smeagol]

lol

the argentinian people's arrogance is somethin else....
Lets generalize, huh TPark?

Moron.

[boutons_]

35 minutes tonight, NOT every night.

Mike/Brent, both shooting 40%, can spell Manu, but we aren't gonna win with those two.
This fucking "bench depth" thing ain't working out just right now.
Not getting very damn much from the bench at all.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, when do you back off the 35 minutes? just break it out for special occasions?
This fucking "bench depth" thing ain't working out just right now. Well, I suppose injuring Manu during the regular season for pride is the only option then.

[boutons_]

"just break it out for special occasions?"

yeah, sure, if the game is out of reach, for us or the opponent, plenty of time to let Manu rest and let the others brick it.

"I suppose injuring Manu during the regular season for pride is the only option then"

You suck as supposer. Keep trying, you heading for suppository status. :)

[ALVAREZ6]

He's as much of a scoring bust now as Brent was this time last year.
He just seems more comfortable, and for some reason less attacked, as a bust than Brent was. :)

Because he's black..... :spin

[ALVAREZ6]

lol

the argentinian people's arrogance is somethin else....
Your huge fucking ass is somethin else....

[2centsworth]

Manu from the bench has only worked in isolated instances. the experiment has never worked to bring home the gold except in his rookie year.

[ALVAREZ6]

In the last 4 games, here's how Finley has beasted:



Jan 4 vs. Blazers: 38.5%
Jan 6 vs. Wolves: 14.3%
Jan 7 @ Suns: 33.3%
Jan 10 vs. Nets: 25%

[ChumpDumper]

And benching him will bring those numbers up how much?

[ALVAREZ6]

And benching him will bring those numbers up how much?
My point is that even though he is starting, he is sucking ass.

[ALVAREZ6]

And if you benched him, hopefully he would shoot less :)

[ChumpDumper]

My point is that even though he is starting, he is sucking ass.Hey, you're the one who said he would be better off the bench right now. I just asked how much.

You do have a point though -- those shooting numbers look as bad as Manu's first week this season.

[ALVAREZ6]

You do have a point though -- those shooting numbers look as bad as Manu's first week this season.
Maybe, but not anymore.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe, but not anymore.Gee, so players can get better?

Go figure.

[2centsworth]

And benching him will bring those numbers up how much?
when has bringing manu off the bench delivered a championship?

[ChumpDumper]

when has bringing manu off the bench delivered a championship?Are you serious? You answered that when you first brought it up.

[2centsworth]

Are you serious? You answered that when you first brought it up.
rookie year doesn't count does it? He's a way more dynamic player now, and when they tried keeping him on the bench his second year they lost 4 str8 to LA. Then last year it worked for a couple of games but Pop had to quickly change put him back in the starting lineup or else we would have lost last year too. Probably to Seattle if it wasn't for Manu's 39pt game 5 performance.

You're suggesting we treat him like he's still a rookie?

[ChumpDumper]

C'mon folks, it's January. I recommend unclenching until March when the real lineup decisions are made.

[ChumpDumper]

rookie year doesn't count does it?If you want to put an asterisk on that championship, that's your choice.
You're suggesting we treat him like he's still a rookie?Unfortunately, this isn't about Manu. If it were, the answer would be simple.

[boutons_]

"real lineup decisions are made."

Spurs will be same as 05 Playoffs, cept probably Rasho instead of Nazr.

7 man rotation:

Brent and Michael duke it out as b/c sub. With them both sucking, too close to call.
Robert will be f/c sub.

[2centsworth]

C'mon folks, it's January. I recommend unclenching until March when the real lineup decisions are made.
i'm just telling you Manu off the bench doesn't work or at least it hasn't worked the past two years except for a game of two.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs will be same as 05 Playoffs, cept probably Rasho instead of Nazr.

7 man rotation:

Brent and Michael duke it out as b/c sub. With them both sucking, too close to call.
Robert will be f/c sub.So what's the big deal?

[2centsworth]

If you want to put an asterisk on that championship, that's your choice.Unfortunately, this isn't about Manu. If it were, the answer would be simple.it's simple. it doesn't work. because if it did it would have worked in '04 and '05. why try something that worked in '03 especially since Manu was only a rookie then. You can understand that can't you?

[ChumpDumper]

it's simple. it doesn't work.Except when it did. I guarantee you it won't work with Manu in street clothes.

[2centsworth]

Except when it did. I guarantee you it won't work with Manu in street clothes.in '03 how bout we stick to recent history.

[ChumpDumper]

in '03 how bout we stick to recent history.You mean when Manu was in street clothes?

[2centsworth]

You mean when Manu was in street clothes?
maybe Duncan should come off the bench too. what's your point. Minutes are Minutes but in '04 Manu off the bench was a colossal failure, and it almost was last year too until Pop came to his senses.

[Kori Ellis]

There's a wide-spread belief in this thread that Manu is coming off the bench to help out Finley. I was under the impression that Manu is coming off the bench, primarily, because he hasn't been able to stay healthy this year and they are trying to manage his minutes.

Finley sucked off the bench -- played really well his first eight or so games as a starter -- and now sucks as a starter again.

I'm guessing as soon as Manu is back in shape, he'd be starting again. But I don't really care as long as he's physically capable of playing 35+ mpg in the postseason. He's a playoff stud.

[ChumpDumper]

what's your point. Minutes are MinutesMinutes are my point.

I'll just go by last year's "recent history" when we kept Manu under 30mpg during the season. That's all I really care about. You can start him forever if you can do that -- but that necesitates some kind of decent play from Finley or Barry. I don't care which.

[2centsworth]

There's a wide-spread belief in this thread that Manu is coming off the bench to help out Finley. I was under the impression that Manu is coming off the bench, primarily, because he hasn't been able to stay healthy this year and they are trying to manage his minutes.

Finley sucked off the bench -- played really well his first eight or so games as a starter -- and now sucks as a starter again.

I'm guessing as soon as Manu is back in shape, he'd be starting again. But I don't really care as long as he's physically capable of playing 35+ mpg in the postseason. He's a playoff stud.
From Pops interviews he gives the impression it's to help out finley. He didn't say on his last show Manu is on the bench because of minutes. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Nevertheless, watching players like Hedo, Barry, and Finley stink in up while Manu is on the bench is painful to watch. I've never liked the idea.

[2centsworth]

Minutes are my point.

I'll just go by last year's "recent history" when we kept Manu under 30mpg during the season. That's all I really care about. You can start him forever if you can do that -- but that necesitates some kind of decent play from Finley or Barry. I don't care which.
We're gonna need Finely and Barry, but theres a reason why 99% of successful teams start their best players. Otherwise, we can start making arguments that Duncan should come of the bench.

I just want them to win so the beer taste sweeter.

[ChumpDumper]

but theres a reason why 99% of successful teams start their best players.If that's actually true, what is it? What is the actual difference between Manu on the floor at the tip and coming in at the six minute mark if the total minutes are the same? Be specific.

Didn't Scola come off the bench for Argentina?

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

If that's actually true, what is it? What is the actual difference between Manu on the floor at the tip and coming in at the six minute mark if the total minutes are the same? Be specific.


All I want is a consistent lineup...something that'll allow the players to get in a rhythm. Finley needs to be on the bench because that's where he'll be coming from in playoff time. He needs to learn to play from there. Ginobili can start and still play limited minutes. At least the team will be in some kind of routine and Finley will be adjusting to coming off the bench. I don't sense anyone on this team besides Parker or Duncan has any kind of rhythm. You have Nazr playing 5 minutes this game, 15 minutes another game. What kind of shit is that? Give the guy some decent playing time. I know Rasho has some fans on this board but the guy is a stiff. No way in hell should he be getting 20 more minutes than Nazr.

[2centsworth]

All I want is a consistent lineup...something that'll allow the players to get in a rhythm. Finley needs to be on the bench because that's where he'll be coming from in playoff time. He needs to learn to play from there. Ginobili can start and still play limited minutes. At least the team will be in some kind of routine and Finley will be adjusting to coming off the bench. I don't sense anyone on this team besides Parker or Duncan has any kind of rhythm. You have Nazr playing 5 minutes this game, 15 minutes another game. What kind of shit is that? Give the guy some decent playing time. I know Rasho has some fans on this board but the guy is a stiff. No way in hell should he be getting 20 more minutes than Nazr.
Very good post!

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

Very good post!

Unfortunately Popovich is once again proving my point. His rotation pattern makes no sense whatsoever. No consistency or rhythm at all.

[Man In Black]

I think that since Fin starts and gives you nothing, then why handicap your team. If the other team brings more intensity, there is just that much more to make up when Manu comes in.

Fin ain't the All-Star anymore and his recent play is indicative of guys who were used-to-be's elsewhere and have a hard time coming off the bench. He's a well-paid pro and should work his ass off to bring some consistent play of the bench. One shouldn't handicap themselves like this. I mean the numbers pretty much suck with Fin as a starter. While the team has managed to overcome that against lesser team, against a bonafide equal...it's an uphill battle.

[Don Quixote]

Finley is a better player than Manu?!

At what? Chess? Connect Four? Surely you're talking about basketball.


HO-LY CRAP. I can't believe someone seriously thinks, in the year 2006, that Finley can even carry Manu's shoes. Let alone start ahead of Manu.

In 1998, maybe! But not anymore.

We brought in Finley to make jumpers and score. He hasn't done that. While he's generally played pretty well, we needed him to provide athleticism and scoring.

What we essentially got was, I think, a washed-up former All-Star. Two, if you count Van Exel.

[timvp]

Good thing the Spurs let go of Devin Brown. Maybe if Finley misses a couple more shots he can get his AARP card.

[dn0]

finley has no balls, start the real man on important games at least.

[SouthernFried]

Pop has no idea how to use Finley. Just giving him the ball on the wing and saying "do something"...aint gonna do it. You run some plays for him, like Detroit runs for Rip...and you will get production from Finley. Otherwise, might as well sit him.

[loveforthegame]

Pop has no idea how to use Finley. Just giving him the ball on the wing and saying "do something"...aint gonna do it. You run some plays for him, like Detroit runs for Rip...and you will get production from Finley. Otherwise, might as well sit him.

Exactly. And it would help to return him to the bench and let him adjust to that role.

[50 cent]

Kori,

I couldn't find the "FUCK NO" button, so I just used the "no" button.

:lmao

[timvp]

Kori,

I couldn't find the "FUCK NO" button, so I just used the "no" button.

:lmao

:lol :lol

When is the last time Finley hit an outside shot?

I think he's 0-for in 2006.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

[Athenea]

"just break it out for special occasions?"

yeah, sure, if the game is out of reach, for us or the opponent, plenty of time to let Manu rest and let the others brick it.

"I suppose injuring Manu during the regular season for pride is the only option then"

You suck as supposer. Keep trying, you heading for suppository status. :)
:lol :lol :lol

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Ummmm I am going to half to say no here Bob.

[SenorSpur]

I was on the fence before tonight. After that debacle the answer is a flat NO!

[spurs=bling]

NO

el no debe estar empezando manu debe

[Sweetmelody]

No.

Plain and simple I just enjoy Manu's spark from the start.

[CharlieMac]

No.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i say trade him :D

[mavsfan1000]

Dallas really misses Finley this year.

[Das Texan]

Finley has gotten worse as this season has gone on.


Just go back to the fucking starting 5 that won us a god damn championship last year and I'll be happy.

Big Dog is still available, at least he could hit a mid range jumper.

[MmP]

Of course not. Manu always should have started.

Im no Manu homer but it's always been the same. Dont you guys realize that Manu always end up in the starting line up?. Sometimes I think that some of the people here dont really realize how valueable Manu is until they dont see how the Spurs play without him.
He's underrated, I mean Manu is a great player that brings some many things to the ball game in EVERY aspect of the game. He might be one of the most useful players in the league. A trully one of a kind.

The Spurs are lucky that Manu has no ego and knows that the team goes first. There you got an exelent player, plus a humble person.
Couldn't ask for more.

[vanvannen]

Of course not. Manu always should have started.

Im no Manu homer but it's always been the same. Dont you guys realize that Manu always end up in the starting line up?. Sometimes I think that some of the people here dont really realize how valueable Manu is until they dont see how the Spurs play without him.
He's underrated, I mean Manu is a great player that brings some many things to the ball game in EVERY aspect of the game. He might be one of the most useful players in the league. A trully one of a kind.

The Spurs are lucky that Manu has no ego and knows that the team goes first. There you got an exelent player, plus a humble person.
Couldn't ask for more.

:cry You had me at "Of course"

[abelle23]

Of course not. Manu always should have started.

Im no Manu homer but it's always been the same. Dont you guys realize that Manu always end up in the starting line up?. Sometimes I think that some of the people here dont really realize how valueable Manu is until they dont see how the Spurs play without him.
He's underrated, I mean Manu is a great player that brings some many things to the ball game in EVERY aspect of the game. He might be one of the most useful players in the league. A trully one of a kind.

The Spurs are lucky that Manu has no ego and knows that the team goes first. There you got an exelent player, plus a humble person.
Couldn't ask for more.

sums it all up...

[Que Gee]

And benching him will bring those numbers up how much?

He's played his way out of the line up...Just like Barry did last year.

[vanvannen]

And benching him will bring those numbers up how much?

No, but it will put your best man on the court, which is what any sane coach would do. Besides, it probably will help you stay away from your oponents first quarter 13pt lead...

[ALVAREZ6]

And benching him will bring those numbers up how much?
I don't know, you tell me.






:spin