Spurs vs. Grizzlies Jan. 14th -- Game Blog

[1Parker1]

Kori said Tony was sick, but to say they still had to play D is the reason.....:lmao

:lol Yea, I was thinking the same thing. That was a weird excuse T_Park...

[bonesinaz]

:lol Yea, I was thinking the same thing. That was a weird excuse T_Park...

He just meant that the game was not over yet, no celebrating until Spurs win.

[ducks]

I think Tony may have been pissed that he was watching instead of playing.
He really wasn't very on tonight, anyway. No energy.
Grizz shut down the driving pretty well.


if he had the flu he should not have plaayed and you would not have energy to play a nba game either

[bout it!]

Good game guys! Both teams played their hearts out! San Antonio is my 2nd fav. team, but I still have to say we are gonna get you guys on monday :p

Go Grizzlies Go!!!

[Kori Ellis]

Tony was very frustrated obviously. I'm just guessing that he was sick because Tony and Tim are both guys that you can see it in their face when they are ill. When Bowen is sick, I don't really notice. But those two, you can see it.

By the way, did you guys see the Bowen pre-game interview with Chuck? I thought it was pretty impressive that since Bowen had a baby this summer, he adjusted his schedule and started getting up a couple hours earlier (5:30am) and going to the practice facility to get in 3 hours a day practice in the offseason (and also be able to spend time throughout the day with his new son).

Bowen is a good man. It will be devastating when he retires. Hopefully he stays on in a coaching capacity to instill that sense of dedication to future Spurs players.

[Warlord23]

I was more pleased OVERALL with what Nazr brought tonight, than Rasho.

Nesterovic has gone straight ass downhill month by month.

That doesn't mean much. The point still remains that there are about 25-odd centers out there in this 30-team league that are better than both of our possible starting centers. And this season it has really shown in the Spurs getting badly outrebounded vs teams with good frontcourts.

[T Park]

He just meant that the game was not over yet, no celebrating until Spurs win.

LOL

Thank you, someone I see understands...

[1Parker1]

I was more pleased OVERALL with what Nazr brought tonight, than Rasho.

Nesterovic has gone straight ass downhill month by month.

T_Park, go look at Page 3 of this thread...where you were arguing with AmuseddaySleeper for a page and a half when he was saying Rasho sucked, and you defended him and basically told him to stop his bitching.


Cause at least Rasho does something.

[doldrums]

Quite frankly, your team might be better off trying to make the NCAA Tournament. They will surely be a wash in the NBA Playoffs, quite frankly.

This guy's a clown, probably ugly too.

[T Park]

The point still remains that there are about 25-odd centers out there in this 30-team league that are better than both of our possible starting centers

Post the names of those centers.

[SequSpur]

Elliott said the only cup that Bowen's grill should be on is a pooper scooper :lol

Hey, If I was Parker, I would kick Pop's ass for putting me on the bench when I have been the best player for the entire year.

I thought that was bullshit.

[T Park]

_Park, go look at Page 3 of this thread...where you were arguing with AmuseddaySleeper for a page and a half when he was saying Rasho sucked, and you defended him and basically told him to stop his bitching.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Park




Cause at least Rasho does something.




first the Rasho does something, was in response to Brent Barry, who BTW, got a DNPCD along with Oberto and Udrih

I think Im along the lines of, hes not great, but hes not as horrible as everyone likes to say he is.


Nazr tonight had a good game.

But Im not gonna degrade Rasho, cause I thought he played well defensively.

[E20]

That doesn't mean much. The point still remains that there are about 25-odd centers out there in this 30-team league that are better than both of our possible starting centers. And this season it has really shown in the Spurs getting badly outrebounded vs teams with good frontcourts.
Every decent Center is signed with a team. There isn't anybody else.

And TPark you are saying something kind of stupid:

Players won't cheer on a possible game clinching shot.

OKKKKK.................

[T Park]

Hey, If I was Parker, I would kick Pop's ass for putting me on the bench when I have been the best player for the entire year.

I thought that was bullshit.




What about Pop drawing up the winning play.

Yet no reaction from you.

Typical from a stupid pop hating asswhipe like you.

[T Park]

Players won't cheer on a possible game clinching shot.

OKKKKK

not a Spurs player who knows there is more work to do and you have to play D.

.4 taught them that lesson.

[SequSpur]

What about Pop drawing up the winning play.

Yet no reaction from you.

Typical from a stupid pop hating asswhipe like you.

It was a niceplay, about fucking time.

But Parker still could've been an option fuckhead.

[T Park]

It was a niceplay, about fucking time.

But Parker still could've been an option fuckhead.

look fuckhead,

when drawing up an iso play, you want the lane to be clear.

Afraid to tell you, but Van Exel is more of a 3 point threat than Parker.

Van Exel was posted outside for a decoy, along with Finley and Horry.

Learn the goddamn game moron.


t was a niceplay, about fucking time

Yeah, too bad this team can't win a ring with this coach, oh wait....

[Warlord23]

Post the names of those centers.

Off the top off my head, here goes:

Shaq
Ben Wallace
Marcus Camby
Yao Ming
Brad Miller
Z Ilgauskas
Chris Kaman
Eddy Curry
Alonzo Mourning
Jamaal Magloire
Samuel Dalembert
Joel Pryzbilla
PJ Brown
Erick Dampier
Tyson Chandler
Melvin Ely
Jeff Foster
Etan Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Mike Sweetney
Brendan Haywood
Nene
Nenad Kristic
Zaza Pachulia
Ike Diogu
Chris Mihm
Tony Battie
Mark Blount
Nick Collison
Michael Olowokandi
Adonal Foyle
Jarron Collins
Primoz Brezec
Theo Ratliff

That's around 33 or 34. A few of them may be argued as equal to Rasho or Nazr, but most of them are better.

[boutons_]

"still coming together "

Come on, we're the fucking Champs with EVERYBODY back.

Come together? Why did they "come apart"?
Michael and Nick arriving didn't cause the team to disintegrate.

Pistons didn't need to come together, they took up exactly where they left off in June.
Spurs dropped back to the middle of the pack and forget how to play basketball.

What-the-fuck-ever, nothing to do about except keep trying to climb out of deep hole.
And hope that Tim's PF at least gets no worse.

[Leetonidas]

It was a niceplay, about fucking time.

But Parker still could've been an option fuckhead.

But I prefered the Bogut-esque layup by Tim.

[hussker]

You guys all know that this year is an anomaly. We never peak until Feb/Mar/April, usually when we Start the RODEO trip. That is the BEST time to peak. I just hope the Pissed-ons hit a trough...GO SPURS GO!!!

[SequSpur]

2 Days ago, the Spurs were a fucking joke.

This win did nothing for me.

They still almost lost the game, Duncan was used, Manu was out of control, Rasho is still worthless, Nazr is just plain weird, Bowen plays tons of minutes with no statistics.....

Whatever.

[Leetonidas]

Off the top off my head, here goes:

Shaq
Ben Wallace
Marcus Camby
Yao Ming
Brad Miller
Z Ilgauskas
Chris Kaman
Eddy Curry
Alonzo Mourning
Jamaal Magloire
Samuel Dalembert
Joel Pryzbilla
PJ Brown
Erick Dampier
Tyson Chandler
Melvin Ely
Jeff Foster
Etan Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Mike Sweetney
Brendan Haywood
Nene
Nenad Kristic
Zaza Pachulia
Ike Diogu
Chris Mihm
Tony Battie
Mark Blount
Nick Collison
Michael Olowokandi
Adonal Foyle
Jarron Collins
Primoz Brezec
Theo Ratliff

That's around 33 or 34. A few of them may be argued as equal to Rasho or Nazr, but most of them are better.

Erick Dampier? I think I'd rather have Rasho over that douche bag.

[Kori Ellis]

"still coming together "

Did the Pistons come together from the start of 2004-05 season after winnning the title in 2004?

No matter what, it takes time to come together as a team. Michael and Nick didn't cause them to disintegrate, but it changes the player rotations. Also there's been injuries to Barry, Finley, Manu (three times) and Tim (ongoing).

I don't know why you don't understand a simple concept of "coming together" but they haven't done that yet.

[T Park]

Erick Dampier



Michael Olowokandi


Theo Ratliff




lol

if you think these guys are better than what we have, you havent got clue 1 about basketball.


Come on, we're the fucking Champs with EVERYBODY back.

Come together? Why did they "come apart"?
Michael and Nick arriving didn't cause the team to disintegrate.

Pistons didn't need to come together, they took up exactly where they left off in June.
Spurs dropped back to the middle of the pack and forget how to play basketball.

What-the-fuck-ever, nothing to do about except keep trying to climb out of deep hole.
And hope that Tim's PF at least gets no worse


Afraid to tell you,

but integrating two players, a pg and sg who are used to alot of shots, and lack of D, into this system, takes a while.

But don't let those facts get in your way.

[T Park]

Bowen plays tons of minutes with no statistics.....


your gonna rag on Bowen shorty??


Where is Pseudo to whack you with a fuckin frying pan.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

2 Days ago, the Spurs were a fucking joke.

This win did nothing for me.

They still almost lost the game, Duncan was used, Manu was out of control, Rasho is still worthless, Nazr is just plain weird, Bowen plays tons of minutes with no statistics.....

Whatever.

dude as bad as the spurs are this year tony parker is NOT worthy of a last second shot. i'd love to see the stats of his scoring between the 1st and 2nd half. the dude is still a one trick pony with which you can simply close the lane and he's extremely useless. he still has zilch of an outside shot and still dissapears mightily in the 2nd half. granted he's having a much better year than previous ones, i think he still has a ways to go before gets to manu and slowing down tim's level. parker usually goes off the first 8 min of the game and then teams figure out to pack the lane more and parker becomes nullified.

[Kori Ellis]

The funniest line in Boutons_ ridiculous rant was this:


Spurs dropped back to the middle of the pack and forget how to play basketball.

:lmao

They lead the Western Conference dumbass.

They aren't playing great basketball but your psychotic analysis needs work.

[Horry For 3!]

Off the top off my head, here goes:

Shaq
Ben Wallace
Marcus Camby
Yao Ming
Brad Miller
Z Ilgauskas
Chris Kaman
Eddy Curry
Alonzo Mourning
Jamaal Magloire
Samuel Dalembert
Joel Pryzbilla
PJ Brown
Erick Dampier
Tyson Chandler
Melvin Ely
Jeff Foster
Etan Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Mike Sweetney
Brendan Haywood
Nene
Nenad Kristic
Zaza Pachulia
Ike Diogu
Chris Mihm
Tony Battie
Mark Blount
Nick Collison
Michael Olowokandi
Adonal Foyle
Jarron Collins
Primoz Brezec
Theo Ratliff

That's around 33 or 34. A few of them may be argued as equal to Rasho or Nazr, but most of them are better.
Those are not better than Rasho/Nazr.

[hussker]

Did the Pistons come together from the start of 2004-05 season after winnning the title in 2004?

No matter what, it takes time to come together as a team. Michael and Nick didn't cause them to disintegrate, but it changes the player rotations. Also there's been injuries to Barry, Finley, Manu (three times) and Tim (ongoing).

I don't know why you don't understand a simple concept of "coming together" but they haven't done that yet.
I agree Kori. too many people forget that TEAM is all about CHEMISTRY. We added and took away from this team over the past 6 months. We still have to let Pop work the proper rotations. As much as we disagree with them, Pop sees the big picture. He knows we will win the SW and the WC, but what is beyond that rotation wise? Huge question. We just should sit back and enjoy the ride. no matter how rocky it is.

[SequSpur]

Afraid to tell you,

but integrating two players, a pg and sg who are used to alot of shots, and lack of D, into this system, takes a while.

But don't let those facts get in your way.

Van Exel and Finley could be in the next country and this team still can't run a fucking play.

It's the same ol bullshit... The Spurs don't give a shit until their backs are against the wall....

Just like David Chancellor said yesterday, we're sick and tired of the bullshit answers from Pop, the blah blah blah, media sucks answers to simple questions from the players..

The Spurs were booed off the court on Thursday. People paid good money for the tickets, the game was a sellout and the Spurs soldout.

[T Park]

wasnt he the same one to also say last year when the Spurs lead the Rockets by 5 games, that the

"Rockets lead the division"

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The funniest line in Boutons_ ridiculous rant was this:



:lmao

They lead the Western Conference dumbass.

They aren't playing great basketball but your psychotic analysis needs work.

no no Kori come on. i think we all know that their record is a great exaggeration of how they are playing. they're struggling to beat the top tier teams. they may not be middle of the pack but they're def. not "up there" at all

[Kori Ellis]

Bottomline, Spurs fans are spoiled.

What did you guys do in the losing seasons?

Suicide attempts?

[Peter]

It's fucking January. There is certainly plenty of room for improvement, but it's January.

[SequSpur]

your gonna rag on Bowen shorty??


Where is Pseudo to whack you with a fuckin frying pan.


Bowen played tons of minutes against Detroit with no fucking statistics as well.

At least get some steals, rebounds or make a fucking basket.

Sometimes a little O could help especially when Detroit is kicking your ass.

Last time I checked, he who score the most usually wins.

[T Park]

Just like David Chancellor said yesterday, we're sick and tired of the bullshit answers from Pop, the blah blah blah, media sucks answers to simple questions from the players..


So you and Chancellor want Pop out of here??


I know you do, youve gone on record as wanting "John Lucas" back here of course.

[Peter]

David Chancellor jacks off to a nude Barbie doll. Fuck that pussy.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Bottomline, Spurs fans are spoiled.

What did you guys do in the losing seasons?

Suicide attempts?


i still have nightmares about .4 :oops

[Kori Ellis]

no no Kori come on. i think we all know that their record is a great exaggeration of how they are playing. they're struggling to beat the top tier teams. they may not be middle of the pack but they're def. not "up there" at all

How many teams are better than them? (not record-wise, just better)

Detroit .. um... maybe Dallas?

That doesn't constitute "middle of the pack".

[SequSpur]

Bottomline, Spurs fans are spoiled.

What did you guys do in the losing seasons?

Suicide attempts?

I could care less about losses, but the Spurs 2 games against Detroit were pitiful and I am not writing that shit off.

[boutons_]

The Pistons fucked up in November, 12-12, the Artest Rumble, Larry was bitching to the press about "I never thought I'd have to coach effort, not to these guys". Classic let down after, fondling their belts, after winning the Championship, first ring for all of them.

I understand the fucking concept.

[T Park]

Bowen played tons of minutes against Detroit with no fucking statistics as well.

At least get some steals, rebounds or make a fucking basket.

Sometimes a little O could help especially when Detroit is kicking your ass.

Last time I checked, he who score the most usually wins.


you havent got clue 1 up in that bald head of yours do you.


God I dont know how that beautifull wife of yours puts up with your kindergarden brain.

[DieMrBond]

What the hell, are we spoilt or something? Our records what, 29-9 or 28-9 (i forget)? AND YOUR COMPLAINING?? Its still only january, its not even the all-star break yet, we havent gone on the rodeo trip, tim is hurting, manu just came back from an injury, geez.

Did you also notice memphis has the (now) fourth (was tied for third with pheonix) best record in the west? They are not a bad team.

We arent doing too shabby id say... sure, theres a lot of stuff that can be improved obviously, but what team (apart from probably detroit) cant say that? We will get there. Have faith.

Btw, looking at the box score - how does mike fratello get a tech foul 3 seconds into the game? or is that 3 minutes?

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

Pistons didn't need to come together, they took up exactly where they left off in June.
Spurs dropped back to the middle of the pack and forget how to play basketball.


It's not hard to figure out.

Pistons have had a consistent lineup and rotation all year. Their players know what to expect night in and night out and their chemistry is unmatched.

Spurs have had a jekyll and hyde lineup all year with a rotation pattern that makes no sense whatsoever. The Spurs players never know what to expect with their uneven minutes and the lineups Popovich likes to throw out on the fly have no real chemistry. That results in uneven play.

Consistency is the key.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

How many teams are better than them? (not record-wise, just better)

Detroit .. um... maybe Dallas?

That doesn't constitute "middle of the pack".

detroit, dallas, and yes phoenix. i'm curious to see how we'll fare against miami as they played detroit much better than we ever did. but i'll give you that maybe we aren't "middle of the pack" but we still have a lot left to be desired

[T Park]

I understand the fucking concept


Uh, apparently you don't.....

[Obstructed_View]

Post the names of those centers.
I agree. Let's see a list.

EDIT: Found it. Damn you guys post fast.

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs have had a jekyll and hyde lineup all year with a rotation pattern that makes no sense whatsoever. The Spurs players never know what to expect with their uneven minutes and the lineups Popovich likes to throw out on the fly have no real chemistry. That results in uneven play.

Injuries have caused most of the weirdness in the rotation patterns.

[Kori Ellis]

detroit, dallas, and yes phoenix. i'm curious to see how we'll fare against miami as they played detroit much better than we ever did. but i'll give you that maybe we aren't "middle of the pack" but we still have a lot left to be desired

So you think they are top 4 in the league right now and Duncan/Manu are injured or coming off injuries, right?

It's not that bad of a position to be in.

[T Park]

The Spurs players never know what to expect with their uneven minutes and the lineups Popovich likes to throw out on the fly

Think injuries wouldn't have had a hand in that maybe???

You all act like this team has been 100% and Pop has been fuckin off.

[SequSpur]

An offense with Bowen, Rasho, Nazr and now Duncan is a nightmare.

[T Park]

Phoenix is ahead of the Spurs??

Spurs are 1-1 against them and have a better record.

How does that make them better???

Good god......

[Obstructed_View]

So you think they are top 4 in the league right now and Duncan/Manu are injured or coming off injuries, right?

It's not that bad of a position to be in.
Exactly. The Spurs are absolutely not the best team in the league right now, but they are playing terribly and are still ahead of all but one team. That team, by the way, has been running with a playoff rotation the entire season. We'll see if they pay for that.

[bonesinaz]

How many teams are better than them? (not record-wise, just better)

Detroit .. um... maybe Dallas?

That doesn't constitute "middle of the pack".

Amen Sista-
I remember when I was happy if the Spurs only dropped 9 or 10 in Dec.

[hussker]

no no Kori come on. i think we all know that their record is a great exaggeration of how they are playing. they're struggling to beat the top tier teams. they may not be middle of the pack but they're def. not "up there" at all

I disagree...it is not like they are aTm with an inflated record. They are playing NBA teams every night. I do not think you can have an inflated record in the NBA, period. So, STFU

[Peter]

Start Mohammed and put Rasho back on the boat.

[T Park]

An offense with Bowen, Rasho, Nazr and now Duncan is a nightmare

a message board with you posting is a nightmare.

Bowen is a nightmare offensively??

49% three pointers,

45% overall

Yup, makes sense... :rolleyes

[Kori Ellis]

Anyway, like I said, if March comes and the Spurs have a lackadaisical attitude on the floor or just plain suck, then I'll worry.

Right now, I like it that Manu got healthy and back in the starting lineup. I hope Timmy finds some inserts that relieve some of the pain.

And if there's a decent deal available that will bring a quality player back for any of Barry, Rasho, Beno, Oberto, or Nazr, I don't mind if it happens.

[SequSpur]

Phoenix, Dallas, Miami, and Detroit are all better than the Spurs with Home Court Advantage....

Oh... and Atlanta too, but thankfully they will be in the lottery.

[SequSpur]

a message board with you posting is a nightmare.
Bowen is a nightmare offensively??
49% three pointers,
45% overall
Yup, makes sense... :rolleyes

Bowen is an offensive nightmare.

[T Park]

Phoenix, Dallas, Miami, and Detroit are all better than the Spurs with Home Court Advantage....

Oh... and Atlanta too

Miami is better than the Spurs??

Spurs 1 Miami 0 wanna explain that logic dumbass?

Atlanta?


Go to bed....

[Amuseddaysleeper]

So you think they are top 4 in the league right now and Duncan/Manu are injured or coming off injuries, right?

It's not that bad of a position to be in.


i know we all behave like the spurs are lottery bound with our freak outs but here's my problem with where SA is at. I posted this in a previous thread and yes its still january, its gonna be april before we know it........



my biggest problem with this loss is that its one thing to be reckless and drop games to atlanta, washington, chicago or whatever the case may be. at the end of the day, the chances of us facing any of those teams come playoff time is unlikely. if we have any shot at making the finals, there's a 137% chance we'll be playing Detroit. of all the teams in the league, Detroit is #1 on our list of teams to compete with. this is the team we should be preparing our entire season for. so when detroit not only waxes us on their turf but on OUR HOME turf as well, i think we've got a "slight" problem. coupled with the fact that so far in the season, detroit looks like they're gonna run away with HC advantage, i give the spurs 10 to 1 odd in beating detroit in a series like that. you guys can say "oh its only january, oh its the regular season" but when our nemesis KICKS OUR ASSES soundly the way they did, I KNOW its gonna fuck with the spurs heads a lot and make the pistons more confident than ever that the only team that has a shot of beating them is light years behind them. Pop needs to wake up and find a solid rotation and put nazr back in the lineup and HAND THE TEAM OVER TO MANU AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY. if any of the other spurs had a millionth of the heart manu had, we'd be 81-1 (losing to the raptors or something) every season. Because lets face it, as "nice" as it is to make it to the finals, with the talent this roster has ANYTHING less than a championship trophy is a total bust.


......so we may be 4th or whatever in the league but with time running out and detroit being light years ahead of us its look extremely dim at the end of the tunnel

[Obstructed_View]

And if there's a decent deal available that will bring a quality player back for any of Barry, Rasho, Beno, Oberto, or Nazr, I don't mind if it happens.

Trouble is, Pop will have to play one of those guys decent minutes to generate any interest, except Rasho, whose trade value drops every minute he's on the floor. Perhaps starting Nazr and putting Rasho in the second unit will free up his offense a bit. It's been known to happen in the past.

[T Park]

SequSpur is a messageboard disaster.

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

Injuries have caused most of the weirdness in the rotation patterns.

It's not all about injuries. Even when the Spurs are healthy he does the same thing. Look at the game against the Pistons. Everyone on the team is healthy but how many different lineups did Popovich throw out there? He does that all the time whether the team is healthy or not.

[Peter]

And if there's a decent deal available that will bring a quality player back for any of Barry, Rasho, Beno, Oberto, or Nazr, I don't mind if it happens.

What they need are bigs who will board. Ideally Mohammed starts and then you have a 4th big behind Horry who will give you some quality minutes and board work. I haven't seen that from Oberto.

[Warlord23]

Those are not better than Rasho/Nazr.

That still leaves 25 on the list...

But the point I'm making is, despite shooting a good FG%, the Spurs are not blowing out teams because they lose the rebounding battle against good frontcourts. And when the FG% tanks, then they really have no chance, e.g. against Detroit the other day.

I'm not too concerned about teams with soft frontcourts like the Lakers or Phoenix. But in the playoffs, we may have to face frontcourts such as Utah, Dallas, Clips, Miami, Detroit all of which are better rebounding teams than the Spurs.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I disagree...it is not like they are aTm with an inflated record. They are playing NBA teams every night. I do not think you can have an inflated record in the NBA, period. So, STFU

sorry but pop as well as several team members have said THEMSELVES that their record is absolutely NO indicator of how "well" they are playing. pop even said if the playoffs started next week, he'd be VERY worried, and i dont think he was talkin just about detroit either. so YOU CAN STFU!

[SequSpur]

SequSpur is a messageboard disaster.

You're just a plain dipshit.

[Peter]

It's time for Rasho to go.

[T Park]

The light is dim? Day sleeper, go to fuckin bed, good god.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The light is dim? Day sleeper, go to fuckin bed, good god.


lol

[T Park]

we heard you the first time peter, christ.....

[SequSpur]

Rasho is not very good and if you're trying to make an argument that there is a slight chance that there is some skill level.

You're stupid.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Rasho is not very good and if you're trying to make an argument that there is a slight chance that there is some skill level.

You're stupid.

agreed

[T Park]

Im a dipshit sequ??

Im not the one bagging on Bruce Bowen.

Your the only one here bagging on him and Popovich like a fuckin retard.

[Obstructed_View]

i know we all behave like the spurs are lottery bound with our freak outs but here's my problem with where SA is at. I posted this in a previous thread and yes its still january, its gonna be april before we know it........



my biggest problem with this loss is that its one thing to be reckless and drop games to atlanta, washington, chicago or whatever the case may be. at the end of the day, the chances of us facing any of those teams come playoff time is unlikely. if we have any shot at making the finals, there's a 137% chance we'll be playing Detroit. of all the teams in the league, Detroit is #1 on our list of teams to compete with. this is the team we should be preparing our entire season for. so when detroit not only waxes us on their turf but on OUR HOME turf as well, i think we've got a "slight" problem. coupled with the fact that so far in the season, detroit looks like they're gonna run away with HC advantage, i give the spurs 10 to 1 odd in beating detroit in a series like that. you guys can say "oh its only january, oh its the regular season" but when our nemesis KICKS OUR ASSES soundly the way they did, I KNOW its gonna fuck with the spurs heads a lot and make the pistons more confident than ever that the only team that has a shot of beating them is light years behind them. Pop needs to wake up and find a solid rotation and put nazr back in the lineup and HAND THE TEAM OVER TO MANU AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY. if any of the other spurs had a millionth of the heart manu had, we'd be 81-1 (losing to the raptors or something) every season. Because lets face it, as "nice" as it is to make it to the finals, with the talent this roster has ANYTHING less than a championship trophy is a total bust.


......so we may be 4th or whatever in the league but with time running out and detroit being light years ahead of us its look extremely dim at the end of the tunnel
I think you are panicking. The Spurs haven't gone on a run yet. Don't they always go on a run? It's not even the all-star break. It's not even the rodeo road tip yet. Until they don't go on a run when they usually do, why chew your nails about it? Are you really suggesting the Spurs go to a playoff rotation now? How about they just play the starters for 48 minutes? Wouldn't that guarantee that they win regular season games, because that's obviously what's important.

[Kori Ellis]

It's not all about injuries. Even when the Spurs are healthy he does the same thing. Look at the game against the Pistons. Everyone on the team is healthy but how many different lineups did Popovich throw out there? He does that all the time whether the team is healthy or not.

In the Detroit game, he was still trying to micro-manage Manu's minutes.

But Pop messed up in the Detroit game, he left Bowen on the bench for too long in a stretch and some other particular stuff.

Tonight, he almost did it again with Bowen at the beginning of the 4th.

But really, a lot of messed up rotations is about injuries and also because he's trying to find some production out of some particular players.

[T Park]

If you think you or amusedaysleeper have a clue about basketball, you both are stupid.


Obstructed,

your wasting your breath on that clown.

[team-work]

Return of a healthy Manu is the most important part for getting this team better. Next thing : Duncan should be made healthier by limiting his PT.

[Vashner]

Ban Eva!

[T Park]

Its not about injuries??

Well another argentine thinking hes smarter than Popovich, great.....:rolleyes

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think you are panicking. The Spurs haven't gone on a run yet. Don't they always go on a run? It's not even the all-star break. It's not even the rodeo road tip yet. Until they don't go on a run when they usually do, why chew your nails about it? Are you really suggesting the Spurs go to a playoff rotation now? How about they just play the starters for 48 minutes? Wouldn't that guarantee that they win regular season games, because that's obviously what's important.


no but regular season wins can lead up to HCA and believe me without HCA its gonna be a very short playoff time for SA this year. i dont buy into this "regular season doesn't matter, its only january" detroit is playing to get HCA b/c they know that was the biggest difference in game 7. they are taking care of business and not dicking around. at this rate SA may not even get HC in the wcf if they dont watch it

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If you think you or amusedaysleeper have a clue about basketball, you both are stupid.


Obstructed,

your wasting your breath on that clown.


i'm a clown?

[Peter]

we heard you the first time peter, christ.....


We heard you the first 18,000 times.

[Obstructed_View]

Rasho is not very good and if you're trying to make an argument that there is a slight chance that there is some skill level.

You're stupid.
Nothing stupid about it. Rasho is a good center, but he's not very consistent, and he plays better when Duncan's not on the floor, because he's less reluctant to shoot. He's got some skill and he's a very good defender. The bottom line is that he has the one thing you can't teach. If you want to trade him, then he needs to be put in a position where he looks valuable.

[T Park]

Only problem is my opinion matters more than yours peter, so go back to your hiding place.



Im a clown?

Anyone that panics in January, is a Bozo yes.

[SequSpur]

In the Detroit game, he was still trying to micro-manage Manu's minutes.

But Pop fucked up in the Detroit game, he left Bowen on the bench for too long in a stretch and some other particular stuff.

Tonight, he almost did it again with Bowen at the beginning of the 4th.

But really, a lot of messed up rotations is about injuries and also because he's trying to find some production out of some particular players.

Kori,

No offense, but if Bowen would've played anymore against Detroit, the Spurs would've barely broke 50 points.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori,

No offense, but if Bowen would've played anymore against Detroit, the Spurs would've barely broke 50 points.

I'm talking about during the stretch in the fourth quarter when Rip was schooling Parker. Just that stretch.

[T Park]

Sequ,

no offense,

but you have zero clue about basketball, if you want less Bowen.....

[Peter]

Only problem is my opinion matters more than yours peter, so go back to your hiding place.

:spin

[Kori Ellis]

Anyway, Bowen isn't the problem. He's one of the positives.

Spurs need to get healthy and someone else needs to emerge as a second rebounder.

Now that Manu is (hopefully) healthy, Finley should adapt to getting a certain amount of playing time and getting in the game at certain times off the bench. I'm not really worried about the wingspots.

[Obstructed_View]

no but regular season wins can lead up to HCA and believe me without HCA its gonna be a very short playoff time for SA this year. i dont buy into this "regular season doesn't matter, its only january" detroit is playing to get HCA b/c they know that was the biggest difference in game 7. they are taking care of business and not dicking around. at this rate SA may not even get HC in the wcf if they dont watch it
That would be a nice argument if the Spurs had actually had HCA last year. They didn't against a team that everybody said was the best team in the league. If the Spurs show up and play well it really doesn't matter. The Pistons are under the mistaken assumption that they would have won if they'd had HCA. The Spurs would have done the same thing they did to the Suns, because the Spurs were ready for the series and dominated the first two games. The regular season matters, but it is only January, and you act like you've never seen the Spurs play in previous years.

You have seen the Spurs play in previous years, right?

[SequSpur]

When you're small forward has 2 pts, 1 reb., 1 steal, and a few turnovers in 30+ minutes, I would hope that someone else could be on the TC Cup.

[T Park]

When you're small forward has 2 pts, 1 reb., 1 steal, and a few turnovers in 30+ minutes, I would hope that someone else could be on the TC Cup

Your arguements make Gig seem intelligent.

[SequSpur]

Your arguements make Gig seem intelligent.

Quit being a Bowen ball sniffer.

Didn't you quit on the Spurs?

You're stupid.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

That would be a nice argument if the Spurs had actually had HCA last year. They didn't against a team that everybody said was the best team in the league. If the Spurs show up and play well it really doesn't matter. The Pistons are under the mistaken assumption that they would have won if they'd had HCA. The Spurs would have done the same thing they did to the Suns, because the Spurs were ready for the series and dominated the first two games. The regular season matters, but it is only January, and you act like you've never seen the Spurs play in previous years.

You have seen the Spurs play in previous years, right?


haha i have seen the spurs play in previous years but as impressive as kicking the Suns' ass in every game on their floor during the playoffs i think life would be MUCH easier ESPECIALLY against detroit with HCA. we are something like......let me grab my Spurs stat book..........ahh yes...........1173-4 in the last 3 years on our home floor. so HCA could be the make/break of our championship run

[Kori Ellis]

When you're small forward has 2 pts, 1 reb., 1 steal, and a few turnovers in 30+ minutes, I would hope that someone else could be on the TC Cup.

You are so stupid.

Bowen averages 8 points a game and leads the league in 3 point shooting, while avergaging 0.6 turnovers a game and anchoring the D.

The scoring isn't supposed to come from Bowen. Five scorers doesn't win Championships. Ask the Suns.

[Vashner]

We need a world class center to do what David used to do. Nazr not quite there...

[hussker]

sorry but pop as well as several team members have said THEMSELVES that their record is absolutely NO indicator of how "well" they are playing. pop even said if the playoffs started next week, he'd be VERY worried, and i dont think he was talkin just about detroit either. so YOU CAN STFU!

No, you can look at where we are now and STFU...I agree that the SPURS are not playing up to their optimal quality, but it is still early. If this crap is still going on in March, I worry. We are fortunate to have the record we have now. I think that superfluous fans have the idea that we should go 82-0, that is never going to happen. We learn from losses more than from wins and we adjust. Losses by ONE are just as crucial to the learning and growth process of a team as wins by 20, maybe even moreso.

We are not peaking yet, and I will bet if you do a retrospective this summer, Pop would tell you that he was glad we peaked when we did (still to come). I just think that Spurs fans have enjoyed this early success and do not know really how to handle it. We can go 30-4 in the beginning of a season and if we end up 62-20, I worry. Why? We are not PEAKING. Pop and the boys and us fans may know we are NOT playing well, but it is what it is. As long as we PROGRESS and not REGRESS, we will be ok.

Thoughts?

[Obstructed_View]

Anyway, Bowen isn't the problem. He's one of the positives.

Spurs need to get healthy and someone else needs to emerge as a second rebounder.

Now that Manu is (hopefully) healthy, Finley should adapt to getting a certain amount of playing time and getting in the game at certain times off the bench. I'm not really worried about the wingspots.
Rebounds are about effort, just like defense. I predict that both will start to come up as the rotation stabilizes.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

No, you can look at where we are now and STFU...I agree that the SPURS are not playin g up to their optimal quality, but it is still early. If this crap is still going on in March, I worry. We are fortunate to have the record we have now. I think that superfluous fans have the idea that we should go 82-0, that is never going to happen. We learn from losses more than from woins and we adjust. Losses by ONE are just as crucial to the learning and growth process of a team as wins by 20, maybe even moreso.

We are not peaking yet, and I will bet if you do a retrospective this summer, Pop would tell you that he was glad we peaked when we did (still to come). I just think that Spuirs fans have enjoyed this early success and do not know really how to handle it. We can go 30-4 in the beginning of a season and if we end up 62-20, I worry. Why? We are not PEAKING. Pop and the boys and us fans may know we are NOT playing well, but it is what it is. As long as we PROGRESS and not REGRESS, we will be ok.

Thoughts?


alright but my point was their record IS fools gold. they are much worse than 30-9 or whatever they are

[Amuseddaysleeper]

yeah Sequ, you're goin a bit far. bowen is the only guy who can afford to have a measly looking stat sheet b/c what he brings defensively cannot be matched. granted he was a no show at the DET game I still think he needs to be valued.

[T Park]

Didn't you quit on the Spurs?

you quit on them after game 1 of the playoffs last year, wtf are YOU talking about Vince Carter ball sniffer.


You are so stupid.

Bowen averages 8 points a game and leads the league in 3 point shooting, while avergaging 0.6 turnovers a game and anchoring the D.

The scoring isn't supposed to come from Bowen. Five scorers doesn't win Championships. Ask the Suns.


Sequ continually gets owned on Bowen...



Rebounds are about effort, just like defense. I predict that both will start to come up as the rotation stabilizes.

Exactly, but that would take patience, wich no one here has!

[Kori Ellis]

granted he was a no show at the DET game

:lol

Go watch the tape. Only four baskets were scored against him all game.

[T Park]

but my point was their record IS fools gold

So fucking what...

Would you rather they be 23-14 than 28-9???

Good god.....

[hussker]

alright but my point was their record IS fools gold. they are much worse than 30-9 or whatever they are


It is only fools' gold if we are 73-9 and still not playing well when the playoffs come around. There are many many weeks and games left before that time. If we are not clicking, we will lose in a playoff series. It is that simple.

[Obstructed_View]

haha i have seen the spurs play in previous years but as impressive as kicking the Suns' ass in every game on their floor during the playoffs i think life would be MUCH easier ESPECIALLY against detroit with HCA. we are something like......let me grab my Spurs stat book..........ahh yes...........1173-4 in the last 3 years on our home floor. so HCA could be the make/break of our championship run
I agree that HCA would be nice, but I'm not going to say that it's the make or break. While you have your stat book out, look up two things for me:

1. The runs the Spurs historically make once they start to come together. They are usually 3-5 games behind someone at this point in the year. They usually have a chance to catch them by the end of the season. Historically, the Pistons are unlikely to hold this pace, and even if they do the Spurs will have a chance to catch them.

2. How many games the game against Detroit was. Last I checked it was worth 1. At best, you can make a case that it's a tiebreaker game, so it didn't destroy the season.

If the Spurs had played the way they did against the Pistons and actually won I would be worried that they had very little chance of learning a lesson. Getting embarassed was a good thing. At some point they will get pissed off and start taking it out on people.

[Kori Ellis]

Okay changing the subject, after Manu missed the dunk, Tim and Bruce were taunting him from the bench and Manu was fuming :lol

He's so competitive, it's awesome.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol

Go watch the tape. Only four baskets were scored against him all game.

Hmmmmmm it "felt" like Rip was on fire the entire game but I'll def. take your word on it Kori that Bowen probably did do better than I'm giving him credit for during that game.

[Kori Ellis]

Hmmmmmm it "felt" like Rip was on fire the entire game but I'll def. take your word on it Kori that Bowen probably did do better than I'm giving him credit for during that game.

Rip scored 10 baskets .. 3 were on Fin/Manu on switches early and 3 of them were on Tony in the 4th Q.

[Obstructed_View]

If we are not clicking, we will lose in a playoff series. It is that simple.
Well put. Playing well in the playoffs is the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. The Spurs won't beat anybody in a seven game series if they aren't clicking.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I agree that HCA would be nice, but I'm not going to say that it's the make or break. While you have your stat book out, look up two things for me:

1. The runs the Spurs historically make once they start to come together. They are usually 3-5 games behind someone at this point in the year. They usually have a chance to catch them by the end of the season. Historically, the Pistons are unlikely to hold this pace, and even if they do the Spurs will have a chance to catch them.

2. How many games the game against Detroit was. Last I checked it was worth 1. At best, you can make a case that it's a tiebreaker game, so it didn't destroy the season.

If the Spurs had played the way they did against the Pistons and actually won I would be worried that they had very little chance of learning a lesson. Getting embarassed was a good thing. At some point they will get pissed off and start taking it out on people.

good post but the part where you said "at some point they will get pissed off..." HOW LONG till we get to that point?? havent they been embarassed enough? they all talk about this week being a measuring stick etc.. and I barely have seen any realy signs of them "waking up". out of the last 5 years never have i seen the spurs respond so badly to a loss as constantly as this season.

[Obstructed_View]

Rip scored 10 baskets .. 3 were on Fin/Manu on switches early and 3 of them were on Tony in the 4th Q.
You know Rip was dying to score on Tony, too.

[spurschick]

Okay changing the subject, after Manu missed the dunk, Tim and Bruce were taunting him from the bench and Manu was fuming :lol

He's so competitive, it's awesome.

That was funny! Manu had that "give me the fucking ball" look after that.

[Kori Ellis]

That was funny! Manu had that "give me the fucking ball" look after that.

True. And then he had a bad turnover. :lol

[spurschick]

One thing is for sure, Manu wasn't fuming half as much as most of the people that got stuck in the bullshit traffic and didn't make it to the game til the 2nd quarter. I barely made it for tip-off.

[hussker]

Okay changing the subject, after Manu missed the dunk, Tim and Bruce were taunting him from the bench and Manu was fuming :lol

He's so competitive, it's awesome.
Most competitive guy I have seen in ANY sport. He probably shows TD and TP his BMs and compare them for size...hell, I would!

[Kori Ellis]

One thing is for sure, Manu wasn't fuming half as much as most of the people that got stuck in the bullshit traffic and didn't make it to the game til the 2nd quarter. I barely made it for tip-off.

Yeah they were commenting on that during the first quarter. Was it because of the circus??

[Obstructed_View]

good post but the part where you said "at some point they will get pissed off..." HOW LONG till we get to that point?? havent they been embarassed enough? they all talk about this week being a measuring stick etc.. and I barely have seen any realy signs of them "waking up". out of the last 5 years never have i seen the spurs respond so badly to a loss as constantly as this season.
I understand what you are saying, but does their record really bear that out? How many times have they lost twice in a row this year? How many more times is that than previous years? You could practically pick out the games they were going to lose. This game against the Pistons is the only game that you would have figured the Spurs would have found a way to win based upon their tendencies this year, and they were playing a pretty decent team, who is playing very well and has a severe chip on their shoulders. Pop is just now starting to get after the team, and he's going to start lighting people up for lackadaisical effort more and more. He will also start using PT as a carrot/stick for the players.

How long until we see them start to turn it around? We'll see brief flashes here and there, but I believe that it won't happen until they lose to either Charlotte or New Orleans in a couple of weeks. If they are still struggling by the middle of February, I won't challenge anyone on their worrying posts.

[hussker]

Oh by the way...if you did not see the competitive FUCK THIS BULLSHIT look from Manu in the play when he slammed the scorer's table in the Pistons game, then you missed on a chance to see a look at a TRUE competitive soul...You that saw it kjnow what I mean!

[spurschick]

Yeah they were commenting on that during the first quarter. Was it because of the circus??

That and there was an accident at I-35 and SBC Center Parkway. From what I understand, they had let people from the afternoon circus show park over in arena parking and they hadn't all left when people were coming in for the game. It was a total clusterfuck. They apologized to everyone over the PA and I just got this in my email.

The Spurs organization would like to apologize for the inconvenience that many of you may have experienced in getting into the facility tonight.

We appreciate your patience and we will take measures to prevent this from happening again.

Once again, we apologize and thank you for being the greatest fans and season ticket holders in the NBA.

Go Spurs Go!

[spurschick]

Oh by the way...if you did not see the competitive FUCK THIS BULLSHIT look from Manu in the play when he slammed the scorer's table in the Pistons game, then you missed on a chance to see a look at a TRUE competitive soul...You that saw it kjnow what I mean!

He talked about that with Bill Schoening during pre-game. He said that he was running all over the place and couldn't make anything happen, so he was very frustrated.

[Obstructed_View]

Most competitive guy I have seen in ANY sport.
There was this guy who played for the Bulls a few years ago...

[SequSpur]

You are so stupid.

Bowen averages 8 points a game and leads the league in 3 point shooting, while avergaging 0.6 turnovers a game and anchoring the D.

The scoring isn't supposed to come from Bowen. Five scorers doesn't win Championships. Ask the Suns.


I am quite sure that Duncan, Manu, Finley and Parker would've appreciated a little help on the offensive end from Bowen since his man is always the double team guy.

Reminds me of Avery.

This dude is supposed to be a defensive specialist? Can't he average more than 1 steal a game?

Do you get your jersey retired by just getting in the way of the defender?

Dude has terrible stats for all the praise he gets.

[spurschick]

There was this guy who played for the Bulls a few years ago...


:lol

[hussker]

There was this guy who played for the Bulls a few years ago...

Yeah, I saw him and I will tell you...Manu has him beat all to hell in intensity...I watched MJ from the time he was at UNC and the time he drained the NCAA Championship winner. MJ was a tough guy and intense. Manu has him beat on that. I am not being a homer, just a realist. Manu is just as intense when up by 20 as he is down by 20. That is the measure.

[spurschick]

Yeah, I saw him and I will tell you...Manu has him beat all to hell in intensity.

Wow. That's a pretty bold statement. Personally, I think you're comparing apples and oranges, but you're entitled to your opinion.

[hussker]

Wow. That's a pretty bold statement. Personally, I think you're comparing apples and oranges, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Don't know how that is apples and oranges...they play the same game. MJ is not the untouchable GOD everyone wants to make him out to be. I enjoyed watching him play...I was pissed when i lost the STRAW drawing with my fellow Season Ticket holders and had to sit by the water cannons to watch him play in San Antonio. BUT...I think Manu has more intensity. I have seen it and I have been in the building to mexperience it. I do not know HOW you can call it Apples and Oranges...same game...

[Obstructed_View]

Don't know how that is apples and oranges...they play the same game. MJ is not the untouchable GOD everyone wants to make him out to be. I enjoyed watching him play...I was pissed when i lost the STRAW drawing with my fellow Season Ticket holders and had to sit by the water cannons to watch him play in San Antonio. BUT...I think Manu has more intensity. I have seen it and I have been in the building to mexperience it. I do not know HOW you can call it Apples and Oranges...same game...
This discussion is becoming way too involved. Bottom line - Saying that Manu is somehow quantifialby more intense or competetive than Jordan or Magic or Bird or Isiah or anybody who consistently showed up in big games makes you a homer.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Manu's the shit.

[hussker]

This discussion is becoming way too involved. Bottom line - Saying that Manu is somehow quantifialby more intense or competetive than Jordan or Magic or Bird or Isiah or anybody who consistently showed up in big games makes you a homer.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Manu's the shit.

So your point is? I am making a very subjective analysis of what I have seen over the past 30 yrs I have watched Basketball. Manu has passion beyond what I see from the others. I LOVED watching Jordan. That guy played under the most trying circumstances. BUT, Manu plays the same whether 20 up or 20 down. Not many do/did that, including MJ.

[Solid D]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/images/cover/0115duncanhp190.jpg

The last bucket.

[polandprzem]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/images/cover/0115duncanhp190.jpg

The last bucket.

:cry



Ps. I hope the spurs score again this season :(

[Trainwreck2100]

:cry



Ps. I hope the spurs score again this season :(

:huh :huh

[polandprzem]

:huh :huh

The last bucket :depressed

[Solid D]

Very funny. I guess I should have said Manu's 7th assist.

Spurs 80 Grizzlies 79

[leemajors]

We need a world class center to do what David used to do. Nazr not quite there...

we don't need a world class scorer at c, we need one to defend and rebound. we have that in razr, but unfortunately attempts to meld them into one player have failed. any points they score are gravy.

[spurschick]

I do not know HOW you can call it Apples and Oranges...same game...

Same game, two different people with different styles.

[ShoogarBear]

MJ was a tough guy and intense. Manu has him beat on that.
That might be the most ridiculous thing ever posted here.


I am not being a homer, just a realist.
Trying posting that anywhere besides a Spurs board.

[1Parker1]

Yeah, I saw him and I will tell you...Manu has him beat all to hell in intensity...I watched MJ from the time he was at UNC and the time he drained the NCAA Championship winner. MJ was a tough guy and intense. Manu has him beat on that. I am not being a homer, just a realist. Manu is just as intense when up by 20 as he is down by 20. That is the measure.

:wow :wow :lmao You are absolutely right, you're entitled to your own opinion. However, I am sure that 99.5% of the world may disagree with you on this. Which isn't discounting Manu in any way whatsoever. But, like someone else said, it may be a little like comparing apples and oranges.

[Ginobili_20_gold_medalist]

Its not about injuries??

Well another argentine thinking hes smarter than Popovich, great

I'm an argentine now? :lol

I don't think I'm smarter than Popovich. I just don't agree with his inconsistent rotation pattern.

[Obstructed_View]

I just don't agree with his inconsistent rotation pattern.
Nobody ever does at this point in the season. He's always done this, and more often than not he figures out who plays well together and when by the time it counts.