Sprewell? Thomas? Are you people Spurs fans?

[aaronstampler]

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Man, sorry, I might be in the minority here, but I am just disgusted by what I'm reading on these boards. I can't believe everyone here is clamoring for Sprewell and Thomas. It's like all the championships have made y'all spoiled and you forgot what it means to be a Spurs fan, and how WE'RE DIFFERENT than all the other organizations in sports.
Maybe I have a polyanna attitude toward the Spurs, maybe I'm naive, but I'd like to think that this organization places as much (if not more) importance to a player's character and his off the court behavior as his play on the court. I thought this organziation learned from its mistakes of the past, like Rodman.
I have to say that as a Spurs fan, I'm almost more proud of what our team represents than our on the court success. Our players don't act like clowns or jackasses after every made or missed basket, they don't rack up technicals, they don't get featured in controversial stories on ESPN, and for the most part, they take less money than market value to play here. Hell, we're even leading the charge to make the NBA a global league, which I love. My favorite sports article of all time was the one Ric Bucher wrote about our team prior to last season's playoffs,

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthr...light=work+play

because I think it summed up what it's like to be a Spur and what a priviledge it is to root for them. We have the best thing going in all of sports, even more so than the Patriots, because after we win championships, our players don't spend the next three months telling the media how humble and disrespected they are, and our coach doesn't criticize other teams' players on The Tonight Show.
Getting either Sprewell or Thomas would go against everything this organization stands for. First off, getting Sprewell would be a complete slap in the face to PJ. Sure, his public comments might say he's okay with it, but it's public posturing. And also, Spree is D-U-N done. He sucked last year. Second, Thomas is making 14 mil this year, but refused to play hard because he was unhappy with his situation. Just gross. And I've never been impressed with his play, either. I can't believe anyone, least of all us, would want these guys. If winning titles is more important to Spurs fans than anything else, I guess I'm not a real Spurs fan. To borrow a phrase from Larry Brown, I'd rather "win the right way."

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, you're definetly in the minority. Bring on Thomas.

[Kori Ellis]

If it's all about character, how did you tolerate Glenn Robinson? Or even Nick Van Exel or Ron Mercer?

[timvp]

Interesting that you mention LB because he's pretty much the Anti-Spur of coaches.

[timvp]

But yeah, I'd rather have Sprewell and a championship than no Sprewell and no championship. In history books, you get no bonus points for being the nice guy.

[spurs=bling]

If it's all about character, how did you tolerate Glenn Robinson? Or even Nick Van Exel or Ron Mercer?

whos Ron Mercer? :)

[Slinkyman]

Aaron, what about Tony Parker? Has he not been in the news everyday? Maybe you haven't heard but he's dating eva longoria! what about the incident downtown where Eva was shouting at a cop? or tony's rap album? or tony going on Opera? Or Tony going to the SAG awards? Do you really think Parker is a saint?

[Peter]

Yes, I'm a Spurs fan. I remember when half the team was doing coke back in the 80s. The Spurs have never been full of saints on their team. Hell, DRob was down with the Spurs going after Sprewell in '98 when the scratch marks were still fresh on PJ's neck. Now PJ's an assistant and Pop's still after Spree.

NVE body checked a ref into the scorer's table once upon a time. Did he suddenly become a saint? Shit, Nesterovic was probably a gangster back in Slovakia or wherever he came from. Just win, baby.

[Kori Ellis]

Aaron, what about Tony Parker? Has he not been in the news everyday? Maybe you haven't heard but he's dating eva longoria! what about the incident downtown where Eva was shouting at a cop? or tony's rap album? or tony going on Opera? Or Tony going to the SAG awards? Do you really think Parker is a saint?


:lmao @ Tony going out and having a celebrity girl being compared to criminal activity. :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Whatever helps the Spurs win. Only a sissy Spurs fan whines about who we get. If Spree is going to come in and play, then let him.

[JamStone]

From a Pistons fan perspective, I'd love for the Spurs to sign either Tim Thomas or Latrell Sprewell, or even better BOTH!

Seriously though, neither of those guys help the Spurs. Both are talented. Both have skills to help the Spurs. But, neither would. Latrell obviously has some serious issues in evaluating his own worth and his ego will not allow to settle for a 10th man type of role, even for an championship caliber team. Tim Thomas might not appear so bad, and he has the size, shooting, and versatility to be an asset on a lot of teams. But, his mental issues run deeper. He has the all-around talent of a Lamar Odom or Grant Hill. He has the length, the guard skills, the shooting, the size. But, he's a malcontent and a self-depricating sulk. Now, despite all of Sprewell's personality problems, you could never argue that he lacks confidence. Tim Thomas is the type of depressive character that continues to search for meaning in life. He would bring the Spurs down. He would be a horrible addition. He would be a cancer in a much more subtle way that would be worst than an overt and obvious cancer.

[Slinkyman]

:lmao @ Tony going out and having a celebrity girl being compared to criminal activity. :lmao

:lol when did Thomas or Spree become a criminal? My point is that Tony loves the limelight much unlike David or Tim and is not entirely focused on basketball as he has time to Rap and attend award shows during the season. Tony is the Anti-spur

[Horry For 3!]

But yeah, I'd rather have Sprewell and a championship than no Sprewell and no championship. In history books, you get no bonus points for being the nice guy.
True. I was telling Obi earlier that I hate Sprewell but if he comes and we win a Championship then I wouldn't care.

[Peter]

From a Pistons fan perspective, I'd love for the Spurs to sign either Tim Thomas or Latrell Sprewell, or even better BOTH!

Seriously though, neither of those guys help the Spurs. Both are talented. Both have skills to help the Spurs. But, neither would. Latrell obviously has some serious issues in evaluating his own worth and his ego will not allow to settle for a 10th man type of role, even for an championship caliber team. Tim Thomas might not appear so bad, and he has the size, shooting, and versatility to be an asset on a lot of teams. But, his mental issues run deeper. He has the all-around talent of a Lamar Odom or Grant Hill. He has the length, the guard skills, the shooting, the size. But, he's a malcontent and a self-depricating sulk. Now, despite all of Sprewell's personality problems, you could never argue that he lacks confidence. Tim Thomas is the type of depressive character that continues to search for meaning in life. He would bring the Spurs down. He would be a horrible addition. He would be a cancer in a much more subtle way that would be worst than an overt and obvious cancer.

The thing is, either would be a bit player this season. You might reconsider Thomas long term though, he'd provide size, athleticism and range at that 3 spot.

[Peter]

The thing I find interesting is that Spurs fans want to hold players to the DRob standard, but it's not like he did himself.

[Brodels]

I don't really think that Thomas or Spree help the team much. Thomas might be interesting.

But their past histories will have nothing to do with the decision whether or not to bring them in.

How many more times is the topic starter going to use the same post in several different threads? We got it the first time.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol when did Thomas or Spree become a criminal? My point is that Tony loves the limelight much unlike David or Tim and is not entirely focused on basketball as he has time to Rap and attend award shows during the season. Tony is the Anti-spur

Tim and David aren't/weren't focused on basketball in their off time either. Tim is focused on video games and David was focused on church, etc. Tony just has different interests, but his free time is his free time.

Anyway, Spree has a criminal history - choking (though he wasn't arrested), not paying child support, driving with a suspended license, fighting, racing, and other minor activities.

You can't compare that to Tony cutting his album and going to parties.

But I understand your point :lol

[midgetonadonkey]

Fuck character. I'll take rings with criminals over no rings with great character guys anyday.

[Peter]

I remember 1992. Ownership then didn't want to pull the trigger on a Willie A plus TC for Barkley trade because Barkley was deemed to be a vile character. Barkley went on to a MVP season and hitting the shot that eliminated the Spurs from the '93 playoffs. DRob + Sir Charles in their prime, with Strickland, Ellis and Elliott on the perimeter. Man, we wouldn't have had to wait until 1999.

[jcrod]

From a Pistons fan perspective, I'd love for the Spurs to sign either Tim Thomas or Latrell Sprewell, or even better BOTH!

Seriously though, neither of those guys help the Spurs. Both are talented. Both have skills to help the Spurs. But, neither would. Latrell obviously has some serious issues in evaluating his own worth and his ego will not allow to settle for a 10th man type of role, even for an championship caliber team. Tim Thomas might not appear so bad, and he has the size, shooting, and versatility to be an asset on a lot of teams. But, his mental issues run deeper. He has the all-around talent of a Lamar Odom or Grant Hill. He has the length, the guard skills, the shooting, the size. But, he's a malcontent and a self-depricating sulk. Now, despite all of Sprewell's personality problems, you could never argue that he lacks confidence. Tim Thomas is the type of depressive character that continues to search for meaning in life. He would bring the Spurs down. He would be a horrible addition. He would be a cancer in a much more subtle way that would be worst than an overt and obvious cancer.

I see your logic, but their character issues wouldn't affect the Spurs since he wouldn't be a major player, just a spot player. and if he does become a problem they just realse him, no big deal. But on the other hand if they come in (I'd rather have Thomas over Spree) and contribute and don't cause any fuse ala Glen Robinson, then its a win win situation.

Remember Sheed didn't have the best known attitudes (still doesn't, leads the league in T's) in Portland and he's worked out for you guys great.

[Spurologist]

It's all about winning games. In recent history, no spur has exactly done anything out of the ordinary. If we get Spree/Thomas, they know they joined San Antonio because they want to win a championship. They wouldn't want to hamper that oppurtunity. Vanx, G Rob or S Jax weren't saints when they joined but stay(ed) under the radar. Even if they do get techs here and there, I wouldn't give a shit. Show passion and fight for the rings, baby.

[SequSpur]

I agree Thomas and Sprewell wouldn't do shit for this team.

Pop needs to play the players he's got and learn an offensive scheme.

I just wonder if his "Tony Parker goes in for a layup" play is going to hold for more than 5 minutes in a playoff game before he gets tommahawked into the basketball goal.

What is he going to do then? Go to 15 and 10, Tim Duncan? or 7 turnover Manu?

[Peter]

If people are looking for saints to root for, go to church. I'm serious. Nowhere in pro sports today are you going to be able to find a group of pure players. Ditto for college.

[Peter]

I agree Thomas and Sprewell wouldn't do shit for this team.

Pop needs to play the players he's got and learn an offensive scheme.

Uh, the Spurs have a new offensive scheme. They've had it for a couple of seasons, actually.




I just wonder if his "Tony Parker goes in for a layup" play is going to hold for more than 5 minutes in a playoff game before he gets tommahawked into the basketball goal.

What is he going to do then? Go to 15 and 10, Tim Duncan? or 7 turnover Manu?

Well, if the team is that bad how'd they manage to win last season?

[SequSpur]

Uh, the Spurs have a new offensive scheme. They've had it for a couple of seasons, actually.
Well, if the team is that bad how'd they manage to win last season?

Last season Tony Parker wasn't the in the paint option.

Bruce Bowen gets more shots than the shooting guards do, yeah, thats a nice fuggin scheme there Peter.

[Peter]

Yeah and he's shooting 55% from the field when he's not getting the motion O started. At this point a new offense would be 4 Down.

Pay attention.

[aaronstampler]

I'm glad people brought up Tony. I'm starting to really worry about him. He purposefully seems to be hogging the ball and keeping it away from Manu, and not getting it into Tim in his sweet spots.

He doesn't seem to realize or care that when the Wallace Brothers double Tim, and Billups beats the hell out of him inside the paint, it's pretty much gonna have to be Manu to the rescue for the team to have any shot of beating those guys again. Ginobili is our only matchup advantage there, plus Rob and Bruce are gonna have to hit a bunch of 3s again.

[SequSpur]

Yeah and he's shooting 55% from the field when he's not getting the motion O started. At this point a new offense would be 4 Down.

Pay attention.

Tony has about 25 games to develop a jump shot, because I guarantee you those layups will be granted only with a hard foul.

Tony won't last 2 games in the playoffs.

[SequSpur]

I'm glad people brought up Tony. I'm starting to really worry about him. He purposefully seems to be hogging the ball and keeping it away from Manu, and not getting it into Tim in his sweet spots.


Um. right now.. tony parker is the best player on the team, why the fuck would he want to give it to Manu the turnover king or the guy who can't score in the paint anymore??

[aaronstampler]

Tim is hurt, and Manu's had a couple bad games in a row. Still, they'll have to be our best players if we're gonna have any chance to win. Tony will be neutralized. Even in the all-star game, Billups was hellbent on having Tony for lunch. If Pop knows what's good for him, he'll have TP guard Rip.

[Peter]

Tony has about 25 games to develop a jump shot, because I guarantee you those layups will be granted only with a hard foul.

Tony won't last 2 games in the playoffs.

His J is pretty solid from 20 feet on in. Only one team has ever been able to stop TP's penetration in the postseason and it's highly unlikely that the Spurs will ever face such a physical frontcourt again.

Find something else to create an imaginary worry about.

[SequSpur]

Tim is hurt, and Manu's had a couple bad games in a row.

:cry :cry

[Peter]

Um. right now.. tony parker is the best player on the team, why the fuck would he want to give it to Manu the turnover king or the guy who can't score in the paint anymore??


Whoa. I thought TP sucked, as well as Manu, TD and Bowen. Who's left?

[SequSpur]

His J is pretty solid from 20 feet on in. Only one team has ever been able to stop TP's penetration in the postseason and it's highly unlikely that the Spurs will ever face such a physical frontcourt again.

Find something else to create an imaginary worry about.

I know Tony can shoot, but is his mental game developed yet?

or is

NVE in the game?

Huh?

[SequSpur]

His J is pretty solid from 20 feet on in. Only one team has ever been able to stop TP's penetration in the postseason and it's highly unlikely that the Spurs will ever face such a physical frontcourt again.

Find something else to create an imaginary worry about.


I never said he suck Penis. I said the layups aren't going to be there in the postseason.

Well they might be, but they will come with a price.

[Peter]

I know Tony can shoot, but is his mental game developed yet?

or is

NVE in the game?

Huh?


So the Spurs can only go with NVE?

[Spurologist]

Tony has about 25 games to develop a jump shot, because I guarantee you those layups will be granted only with a hard foul.

Tony won't last 2 games in the playoffs.

If I remember correctly, TP was arguably the best player in the Denver and Suns series. I think that was more than 2 games.

[SequSpur]

So the Spurs can only go with NVE?

Ask Pop.

Is Manu off the bench? Is Rasho the starter? Ask Pop...

I don't think he knows.

[Peter]

I never said he suck Penis. I said the layups aren't going to be there in the postseason.

Well they might be, but they will come with a price.


Well dumbfuck, they were last postseason. If a team is worried about his penetration then that opens it up for his teammates.

Go worry about corn or whatever.

[Peter]

Ask Pop.

Is Manu off the bench? Is Rasho the starter? Ask Pop...

I don't think he knows.


Well, according to you he doesn't have any options.

[SequSpur]

Well dumbfuck, they were last postseason. If a team is worried about his penetration then that opens it up for his teammates.

Go worry about corn or whatever.

Really? Which 30% shooter would you like to take the shot?

[Peter]

Really? Which 30% shooter would you like to take the shot?


Who are the "30% shooter"s?

[SequSpur]

Well, according to you he doesn't have any options.

The Spurs are winning because he makes himself the option. It's possible that someone else might have to help him out the first time he goes to the hole against Denver....

I guess you don't remember the hard fouls in last years playoffs huh?

[Peter]

The Spurs are winning because he makes himself the option.

You say that like it's a bad thing.




It's possible that someone else might have to help him out the first time he goes to the hole against Denver....


...whom they beat 4-1 last postseason.




I guess you don't remember the hard fouls in last years playoffs huh?

Sure. I remember them winning it all too.

[midgetonadonkey]

Um. right now.. tony parker is the best player on the team, why the fuck would he want to give it to Manu the turnover king or the guy who can't score in the paint anymore??

It's amazing to see how some fans can speak so poorly of thier team.

[pache100]

:lol when did Thomas or Spree become a criminal? My point is that Tony loves the limelight much unlike David or Tim and is not entirely focused on basketball as he has time to Rap and attend award shows during the season. Tony is the Anti-spur

You are out of your green leafy tree. Non of the things Tony is doing is detracting from his game or distracting him from the game of basketball. He is having the best year of his career. Are you paying attention? And none of these things, rap, Eva, award shows, Oprah, whatever...makes him the "Anti-Spur". Those remarks sure make me wonder about you, though.


Fuck character. I'll take rings with criminals over no rings with great character guys anyday.

Hmm. As I recall, it was the "great character guys" that won the championships...not so much with the "criminals".

[Joepa]

It's amazing to see how some fans can speak so poorly of thier team.

Especially a team that is 41-12.

[MoSpur]

Sequ has issues. Most teams if not all the teams in the league right now no that in order to beat the Spurs they have to stop Tony, yet only one to my knowledge has been able to do it and that was the 76ers. Most of the teams are still going to double Tim down low because they know that one on one Tim will win most of those match ups. There are only a few teams (if that) in this league that have a power forward who doesn't need help guarding Tim.

This team is playing very good right despite all the injuries they've had to different players. Yet you're worried about them not having an offensive scheme. That's lame.

[doldrums]

Basically Sequ doesn't want anything because he's against tony driving in the paint, Manu handling the ball, Tim taking it down low and Bruce taking jumpers. All of this from a team that won it all last year and is 41-12 this year. I wonder what he says about a team with a losing record. Boy , he is hard to please.

[MoSpur]

Pretty much wait for the playoffs to come. If the Spurs fail to win it all you can whine all you want, blame all you want, criticize all you want, and complain all you want. Until then, shut the hell up.

[cheguevara]

Please :rolleyes. Sprewell won't be a reason we win a championship :lol

[Slinkyman]

You are out of your green leafy tree. Non of the things Tony is doing is detracting from his game or distracting him from the game of basketball. He is having the best year of his career. Are you paying attention? And none of these things, rap, Eva, award shows, Oprah, whatever...makes him the "Anti-Spur". Those remarks sure make me wonder about you, though.


I love the fact that Tony wants to be a star, it's about time someone on this team wanted that. The OP comes off as someone who doesn't want anybody on this team to have any personality, like they should all be robots who only care about basketball and winning games. He was "disgusted" that we would want Tim Thomas, DISGUSTED? As if Tim Thomas would ruin our image? :lol

Me mentioning Tony was just to point out that you can be in the news, be a "distraction", that basketball doesn't have to be priority number 1 all the time and still be a great player and at the same time still be a "spur".

[GoSpurs21]

typical internet fan reaction, to treat the team like fantasy league...its called chemistry and neither Thomas or Spree fit into the Spurs chemistry. It's been hard enough getting Fin, Berry and NVE to fit into the system now you want washed up has beens. Grow up....

[MrChug]

Shit, Nesterovic was probably a gangster back in Slovakia or wherever he came from. Just win, baby.

Yah, exactly...if they're gang sign was sticking out his tounge while airballing a freethrow.