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Warlord23

03-06-2006, 09:00 AM

OM_fever, thanks for the update on Ian. If you've been watching him play, can you (or any other Ian watcher) answer a few questions?

Is he getting his points more by creating his own shot in isolation in the post, or is he feeding off of assists from his teammates?

How do his post moves look? Is he a back-to-the basket power player, or does he face up to the defender and try to take him off the dribble?

How are his hands? Is he able to catch quick passes or does he drop them often? How well does he pass the ball?

How is his rebounding? Does he manage to box out well using his strength, or is he getting boards by outjumping the opponents?

Thanks

Bruno

03-06-2006, 09:21 AM

I haven't seen him play (TV cover is very weak for french league in france).

One thing is sure, he needs to go in another team next year if he really want to continue to improve his play. His team won't be qualified for an european competition next year and french championship is full of undersized bigmen and big stiffs.
He is likely not nba ready but maybe he is when I see what Petro did with Seattle.
The best thing to do fior him is to spend next year in a top french team (like Pau-Orthez, l'ASVEL, Nancy, Strasbourg or Le Mans) and play the french championship and an european compition (ULEB or euroleague). I don't think going in a spanish or italian team is a good choice too : too difficult for a young foreigner, not enough playtime and he will likely have a buyout if he signs with them.
Just my $0.02

picnroll

03-06-2006, 09:39 AM

Has he gotten any taller or put on any muscle?

One consideration is if he's somewhat ready to play some minutes and Spurs think he might someday be a core player, bringing him over next year means his rookie contract will be up at the end of the 2009/2010 season just when Spurs will free up the cap room of Duncan and Ginobili's contracts.

If he's at a level of Petro bring him over.

Bruno

03-06-2006, 09:49 AM

If he's at a level of Petro bring him over.

Mahinmi is 10 month younger than Petro.
Last year in french league : Petro : 5.4pts, 3rbds in 12min ; Mahinmi : 6.2pts, 3.9rbds in 16min (Petro was in a better team).
This year in french league for Mahinmi : 10.2 pts, 5.3 rbds in 20min.
On the last 5 games for Mahinmi (and it was mainly against good teams) : 14.6pts, 6rbds in 25 min.

Bruno

03-11-2006, 05:21 PM

A quick update :

Mahinmi was on Parker radio show monday :
Spurs like to sign him this summer but he is in no hurry and will likely spend one more year in europe in a better team.
He has received a big book from Spurs on the pick&roll and is working on it.
He will play this summer with the under 20 french team (not with the senior team). I don't think he will play a summer league with Spurs, the U20 competition is between the 14st and the 23rd July 2006.

http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/stb.com/stbtv/STBTV29.rm
A little video (it's legal, it's from Le Havre official website) :
- the first 30sec aren't related with Mahinmi.
- from 30sec to 3 min : it's the summary of a game, Mahinmi is in white with the number 5 (tallest player on his team).
- from 3 min to 4 min : Mahinmi's highlights (number 5 red)

You need realplayer or realalternative to watch the video.

Kori Ellis

03-11-2006, 05:45 PM

Thanks for all the updates!

Rynospursfan

03-11-2006, 06:02 PM

Thanks for the video. His footwork looked good in that last set of clips. Of course a highlight reel makes almost anyone look good.

whottt

03-11-2006, 06:06 PM

Any update on his current height?

boutons_

03-11-2006, 06:14 PM

Good athleticism.

+ 30 or 40 pounds in upper body/arms would be welcome over the next 2,3 years.

Bruno

03-11-2006, 06:21 PM

Any update on his current height?

4 month ago, he was 6'10" without shoes, 6'11" with shoes.
I don't know if he has grown since that.

picnroll

03-11-2006, 06:23 PM

Most quickness, speed and agility I've seen in a Spurs (future Spur) big man since DRob of a few years back. Don't know how tall Mahinmiis but he's got some pretty damn long arms.

NCaliSpurs

03-11-2006, 06:39 PM

A quick update :

Mahinmi was on Parker radio show monday :
Spurs like to sign him this summer but he is in no hurry and will likely spend one more year in europe in a better team.
He has received a big book from Spurs on the pick&roll and is working on it.

Looks like the Spurs are already planning the French connection. They figure if everything goes right, then Tony will have a jumper, and this guy will the body to either set a nice pick or perform some alley-oop dunks.

wildbill2u

03-11-2006, 06:50 PM

just to give you a quick update on his progress.

For the first time this season, he posts 20 pts (8/12) with 13 boards. :elephant

His last five games were all above 10 pts and he increases his minutes on the floor, which could be the more crutial point in his development.

Do you think next year will still be too early to bring him in the NBA? He makes tremendous progress, would it be wiser to let him develop his game & body one more year (he is born in 86, so still really young for an nba center)?

He surely needs more work but someone on another website, one of the contract gurus, said his contract with his current team is up this year. That means he will have to sign with someone. My fear is that some Euro team will sew him up for a long contract (a la Scola) and we won't get him for a while.

If that's the option, then I say let's bring him over if he's as physically talented as everyone seems to think. Maybe we could stash him into one of the minor league teams here?

picnroll

03-11-2006, 06:57 PM

set a nice pick or perform some alley-oop dunks.
In the video he was already doing a nice job clearing a path for penetrating players

ro_50

03-11-2006, 07:23 PM

Whats scary about his potential was he was committed to play at Gonzaga this season.

He would have been a great sidekick for Adam Morrison and JP Batista.

Kori Ellis

03-11-2006, 07:36 PM

Thanks for posting the video. He is much improved from the video that I saw last year. He has much better footwork and agility.

leemajors

03-11-2006, 07:53 PM

well hopefully we bring javtokas over this summer and then ian the next.

ChumpDumper

03-11-2006, 08:09 PM

He surely needs more work but someone on another website, one of the contract gurus, said his contract with his current team is up this year. That means he will have to sign with someone. My fear is that some Euro team will sew him up for a long contract (a la Scola) and we won't get him for a while.He's a first round pick, I would think if he's anywhere close to being NBA-ready he would want to start the clock on his rookie deal as soon as possible.
If that's the option, then I say let's bring him over if he's as physically talented as everyone seems to think. Maybe we could stash him into one of the minor league teams here?From a purely developmental standpoint, he might be better off in Spain or some such place. I'm sure Ian's agent could avoid a Scola-like deal since he's already been drafted. This team could certainly use an injection of youth, though -- they could always send him to Austin for more PT in his first two seasons.

whottt

03-11-2006, 09:08 PM

Anyone know of a good site for French Basketball Statistics? Aren't Sanikidze, Karualov, and Mahnimi all playing in the French League now?

Euroleague wants 30 bucks a month for them(WTF?)...

I used to know a backdoor for getting the Euroleague info but I can't remember it anymore.

Buddy Holly

03-11-2006, 09:20 PM

Can someone edit that video so that it only has Ian's highlights?

picnroll

03-11-2006, 09:22 PM

Le Havre stats (http://www.basketinfo.com/club.php?no_club=109)

Looks like the kid has good hands too.

intlspurshk

03-12-2006, 01:32 AM

A writer compares him to young Chris Bosh in hoopsworld. Do they have similar games? Or is he just another Steven Hunter?

FreshPrince22

03-12-2006, 01:51 AM

A writer compares him to young Chris Bosh in hoopsworld. Do they have similar games? Or is he just another Steven Hunter?

Bosh seperates himself because of his great jumpshot, handles, and first step. I don't know a whole lot about Ian, but does he have those skills?

Also, I was wondering what level the competition is in the league he's in?

Kori Ellis

03-12-2006, 03:34 AM

ChumpDumper

03-12-2006, 04:31 AM

Karaulov is playing for Khimki Moscow, currently the #2 team in the Russian A league. I don't think he's played for the A team this season. Looks like he's been IRed for the A team and sent down to the B team for a few games. Doubt he'll get much time behind Ruben Wolkowyski and Ademola Okulaja, and I won't ever expect to see him in a Spurs uniform.

You can usually find current stats for foreign teams at eurobasket.com. They have detailed career stats and info for individual players that they now charge for - but sometimes you can backdoor them through google.

Bruno

03-12-2006, 06:06 AM

For Mahinmi stats, you can have complete stats on the french league website :http://www.lnb.fr/index.php?pid=9&type=1&id=A28929&from=2005&stat=m
I've post few times ago a translation to understand these stats : http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=549823&postcount=16

I don't think he will sign a Scola like contract because :
- He is still drafted.
- He is a first rounder : Spurs can't help him to pay a huge buyout by increasing his salary. The max they can give is $500k.
- He wants to play in nba. He was in SA this summer and was with Spurs at the Madison square garden in december.
- When I heard him on the radio, I was very impressed by his maturity. He doesn't want to come in nba if he can't help the team.
My guess is that he will sign a one year contract with a top team in France to play the eurolegue or the ULEB cup.

For the level of the french league, it's average, I heard people saying that the level was the same than NCAA (even if it's not the same kind of league).

Remember that this guy is very young (november 1986) and has started BB quite late, he is one year younger than players like Aldridge. In college, he would be a freshman.

NCaliSpurs

03-12-2006, 10:20 AM

Sanikidze is in San Antonio. He's been here a few months. I don't know where Karaulov is.

What is he doing in San Antonio? Is he working at Malik's CheeseSteak shop?

wildbill2u

03-12-2006, 01:40 PM

Le Havre stats (http://www.basketinfo.com/club.php?no_club=109)

Looks like the kid has good hands too.

I noticed that too and was coming back to post on that subject when I saw yours. Of course, they aren't gonna put a shot of him fumbling a pass on the highlight film, but he did seem comfortable catching the ball.

At least he didn't look like someone tossed him a bomb like some of our current centers have been known to do. :rolleyes

picnroll

03-12-2006, 01:42 PM

Here's (http://www.europeanprospects.com/) a report of an interview which somewhat contradicts his interest in playing for the Spurs next year.

Ian Mahinmi Interview
by xtf_no4 @ 2006-03-11 - 12:48:29
In a recent Interview with the french site www.basketzone.com, spurs drafted center Ian Mahinmi gave some explications about his actual progress. He had last weekend a good game with 20 points and 13 rebounds.
He is happy about his progress, but thinks that a lot of people don't realize the work he does under the basket, just looking at his stats. He is practicing his offensive moves for th emoment, as that is biggest lack in his game for the moment. Talking about the Spurs, he said that he is in contact with them at least once a week either with Sam Presti or coaches. They tell him to stay focused on his season and to work hard. They also give him a call after a good game to tell him to continue like that. Mahinmi says that he would like to join the Spurs next season, which would be great, but if he has to work out another season, that would be fine with him.
He does not think to be in Japan with French NT this summer because he estimates that he is not ready yet. Normally we should see him with the under-20 this summer in Izmir (Turkey).

clubalien

03-12-2006, 01:51 PM

tim is getting "old" and injuried ian will be our next big hope
daivd --> Tim --> Ian
god must be a spurs fan :)

RobinsontoDuncan

03-12-2006, 03:34 PM

When he was first drafted i heard he was athletic like Amare Stoudamire, which is why we drafted him, not only to possibly guard amare, but also to be that kind of offensive monster for us.

I would be quite happy if he developed along the lines of an Amare, but the question is when will he get to San Antonio. The brain trust seems to be very high on this kid, Presti has his name written all over this one.

As far as Sandizikid goes, any chance he plays for the spurs within the next few seasons? What is his potential/ upside?

whottt

03-12-2006, 04:40 PM

He might have looked a lot like Amare when we first drafted him but it sounds to me like he is going to be much bigger than Amare and more of a true Center. I think he has the potential to be a much better interior defender than Amare as well.

It won't surprise me if the Spurs bring this guy over sooner than anyone expects...from what I can tell he already has the tools to be a contributor as a rebounder and energy guy and his shotblocking may already be there as well...and he is supposed to be very coachable, put out a lot of effort, and is a hard worker...to me that sounds like a candidate for being a Spur at a young age. Given our rapidly aging team I can see the Spurs making room for this guy...and offense is going to be the last thing Pop is worried about.

RE a thread at Spurs domion...if he advances too quickly he might start getting offers much more lucrative than whan the Spurs can offer him as the 28th pick...

I don't expect him to be playing over in Europe much longer...1 more year at the most IMO.

And if a Euroleague team throws a multi million dollar deal at him, don't expect his agent to be looking out for the Spurs best interests. He's gonna tell him to take the money while he can get it...because career ending injuries happen, and no one ever plans on having one of them.

ChumpDumper

03-12-2006, 05:10 PM

if he advances too quickly he might start getting offers much more lucrative than whan the Spurs can offer him as the 28th pick...Something I didn't know about the new CBA is that it allows for a huge increase (compared to the last CBA) in salary for low first round draft picks in his fourth year--over 80% in Ian's case. If the Spurs opted to pay Ian the most they could according to the rookie scale his deal would look like this:
1) 874,080
2) 939,600
3) 1,005,120
4) 1,814,241.60

Total: $4,633,041.60Then even if he only takes the qualifying offer of $2,721,362.40 the following summer he's looking at $7,354,404 over five years, about $1.47 million a year.

After looking at that, I'm not worried about Ian's indenturing himself to a European team with a long term contract. It's in his (and his agent's) best interest to start the clock on his rookie deal ASAP, so he can get that big payday after the initial $4-4.6 million.

picnroll

03-12-2006, 05:48 PM

Ian wants to be a Spur and will be. Question is not if but when.

He showed a lot in those videsos but he needs to get stronger. Even some of those skinny French league players could push him a step or two off the block when he was trying to hold position down low. That was a weakness last year that he doesn't look to have completely overcome this year and it'll be tougher with the bigger stronger players of the NBA.

yourtehclay

03-13-2006, 01:18 AM

can someone upload that video into a format that allows windows media player to use it?

Mr. Body

03-13-2006, 02:30 AM

It serves to remember Mahinmi's frontcourt mate of last year was drafted by the Sonics - Johan Petro. Petro was considered the more advanced of the two (it surprised no one he went in the first round), is slightly taller and I think slightly older (he's 20). He hasn't exactly been burning it up for Seattle, though he's a rookie:

48.4 fg%, 59.3 ft%, 4.1 rpg, 0.7 bpg, 4.4 ppg in 17.1 mpg

I doubt you could expect Ian to do much better his first year.

velik_m

03-13-2006, 02:59 AM

i think Ian's arrival depends on Nazr. If Nazr resigns then it's no hurry to bring Ian to SA, cause he won't be getting playing time to develope anyway. If Nazr doesn't resign Ian or Javtokas are the spurs best options (and cheapest).

mathbzh

03-13-2006, 03:30 AM

Just something to add about Petro:
Since the allstar break his stats are:
7.4 points/6.9 rbd/1 block in 23 minutes.
(15 pts 14 rbd 2 blocks per 48minutes)

This is not bad for a 20 years old rookie center.
If Mahinmi do the same when he comes to the spurs it is fine to me.

OM_fever

03-13-2006, 07:00 AM

there is a huge difference between both player. Petro had only few times to develop in Pau, only playing few minutes. On the opposite, by playing with a lower performance team, Ian really has the chance to develop his game during match and not only in training cession. This could be a huge factor, he didn't get european experience, but he gets time & shots to develop his offensive & defensive game.

Furthermore, I doubt he could really reach his potential in SA due to the lack of playing time he will get. SA doesn't allow development, due to championship expectations. They couldn't afford to let him 20 mpg on the court while playing for 1st spot in West. I would prefer for him to still play in le Havre, even without european tournament, that would allow him to get offensive & defensive experiences which could bring him to another level.

Don't get wrong, NCAA & french championship are far different, without comparing potential, people don't have the same age & experience. NCAA is a real championship but on the same time it's a showcase for the draft. The regular championship brings another experience... just look at Parker start with the Spurs, this is highly due to his maturity gained in a professional team.

However, hoped to see him soon in Spurs uniform. And I agree, his arrival will be linked to Nazr status. Time will tell but don't rush.

leemajors

03-13-2006, 09:25 AM

if ian came over, hustled and played solid d he would get his minutes.

OM_fever

03-13-2006, 10:08 AM

but no sure he would be allowed to develop his offensive game. And with a less dominant Duncan, we would need to get offensive weapon inside the paint, if not we would have to rely more on our outside trheats, which is not a primary strenght.

However he would develop maybe faster his body & defensive talents. When I see the playing time of Oberto, I doubt Ian can get 20/30 mpg, which is the case in Le Havre when he doesn't struggle due to faults.

Peter

03-13-2006, 10:15 AM

Basically it's up to the Spurs and Mahinmi when he joins the league. After he joins, he's going to be a Spur for the 1st 4 seasons. I have a feeling that if the Spurs want him to join the team next season, he will.

Good signs all around about this prospect.

Phenomanul

03-13-2006, 10:27 AM

OM_fever

03-13-2006, 10:27 AM

I agree, and think if Ian has the chance to come, he will jump on it. however, I'm just worried to see those young guys having so few playing time when it's really the corner stone to develop your game (training is important but not enough)

But agree, he was flying under the randar but not spurs one, which should be stolen from CIA! ;-)

Bruno

03-13-2006, 10:33 AM

I have a feeling that if the Spurs want him to join the team next season, he will.

That's not what he has said.
He has said that Spurs are interested to sign him this summer but he isn't in a hurry. He rather like to stay in Europe because he needs playtime to develop his game.
If Spurs lose depth with trades/FA this summer, if they insist a lot to sign him and if Mahinmi play great in France until the end of the season, I can see him with Spurs next year. My guess is that he will sign during the 2007 summer.

Bruno

03-13-2006, 10:37 AM

Was it a Weiss / Hill effect???

I think it's a Sonics have no frontcourt effect.

leemajors

03-13-2006, 10:38 AM

it would probably be best to let him stay over there another year, let him work out and keep growing, physically and as a player. we should definitely bring javtokas over this summer though!

OM_fever

03-13-2006, 10:39 AM

same, and see how players can struggle when they don't have playing time to develop.

Without playing my frenchman (or just a little! ) but Pietrus doesn't play anymore in GSW, don't you think he could be really spurs material? He is a great defensor, just injuries had slowed him during this season...

leemajors

03-13-2006, 10:43 AM

i think pietrus would be a great successor to bowen, he seems to be rounding out his offensive game a little better as well. i don't have any idea how we could afford him or trade for him but it's a nice pipe dream.

TDMVPDPOY

03-13-2006, 10:45 AM

i say we trade barry+rasho to bobcats for brezec+gwallace

OM_fever

03-13-2006, 10:50 AM

he doesn't play anymore in GSW, I'm sure they would be glad to get something, maybe a past draft pick or Barry?! :-) (he has 2 years left at around 2M$ + 1 qualifying offer at 3, this is something affordable I think...)

A package with Rasho for Pietrus and ? (they need big)

Mr. Body

03-13-2006, 12:24 PM

Saying Pietrus hasn't been playing in GSW is false. Before spraining his ankle March 8, he had been playing 25-30 minutes a game. It would take a lot to peel him away from the Warriors.

Javtokas is likely in front of Mahinmi on the 'depth chart', so he comes over first. As young as Ian is, he can stand one or two more years of development.

RobinsontoDuncan

03-13-2006, 12:53 PM

How is Javakotas doing? I hear a lot of talk on him but i dont know what hes doing right now.

Buddy Holly

03-13-2006, 01:37 PM

I doubt he could really reach his potential in SA due to the lack of playing time he will get. SA doesn't allow development, due to championship expectations.

Signed

- Tony Parker.

OM_fever

03-13-2006, 02:52 PM

Zmaj

03-13-2006, 09:41 PM

How is Javakotas doing? I hear a lot of talk on him but i dont know what hes doing right now.

He's playing in the Euroleage at the moment, his team made the top 16.

His stats in the Euroleague:
http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BVE

T Park

03-13-2006, 09:55 PM

LOL

Yeah, good luck with that.

Buddy Holly

03-13-2006, 10:36 PM

Did you develop Parker? No, he arrives and contributes offensively quite quickly. I don't expect Ian to turn into an offensive weapon before long for Tim. (as said Bruno, he only played BB for now 4 years...)

What?

I'm talking about your comment about the Spurs not playing new comers because they're always trying to win the title.

Tony was a no body when he came to the Spurs. He was starting by the fourth game.

Mr. Body

03-13-2006, 10:37 PM

Did you develop Parker?

All Signs Point To: YES.

Bruno

03-19-2006, 08:35 AM

Ian played yesterday against Paris, his stats are 14pts/13rbds/7to/3blk in 31 minutes but that's not the point of this post.

A journalist from a San Antonio local TV channel was at the game, has filmed it and has made an interview of Mahinmi. You will have a report on Mahinmi in few days when the journalist will be back to SA. ;)

A scout from New Jersey was at the game too but don't conlcude that it was to evaluate Mahinmi for a trade this summer. There are some good prospects in Le Havre and Paris : Aldo Curti for Le Havre; TJ Parker (tony's brother), Robert Rothbart, Oleksiy Pecherov for Paris. anothe solution is that he was there to scout an older player for an invitation to a summer league.

The source is a summary of the game made by Le Havre's website : link (http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/stb.com/saison2006/j24.html)

TDMVPDPOY

03-19-2006, 09:30 AM

the only player that i probaly want from the nets is krystic, the other scrub players like RJ/VC/JK are off limits due to there overpriced tags.

How many fouls did ian get for his last played game?? wasnt he usually a foul magnet?

5ToolMan

03-19-2006, 09:38 AM

He's a first round pick, I would think if he's anywhere close to being NBA-ready he would want to start the clock on his rookie deal as soon as possible.From a purely developmental standpoint, he might be better off in Spain or some such place. I'm sure Ian's agent could avoid a Scola-like deal since he's already been drafted. This team could certainly use an injection of youth, though -- they could always send him to Austin for more PT in his first two seasons.

If a player gets drafted but chooses not come to the NBA for several years while, I don't believe he is bound by a rookie contract. I could be wrong. If anyone knows for sure, please let me know.

I am basing my thinking on Scola, who if I remember and have my facts straight, was asking for much more than a rookie contract.

exstatic

03-19-2006, 10:32 AM

If a player gets drafted but chooses not come to the NBA for several years while, I don't believe he is bound by a rookie contract. I could be wrong. If anyone knows for sure, please let me know.

I am basing my thinking on Scola, who if I remember and have my facts straight, was asking for much more than a rookie contract.
There is no rookie scale for second rounders. Ian was a first rounder, so he is bound by the scale, BUT his contract is also guaranteed money.

Kori Ellis

03-19-2006, 10:36 AM

A journalist from a San Antonio local TV channel was at the game, has filmed it and has made an interview of Mahinmi. You will have a report on Mahinmi in few days when the journalist will be back to SA. ;)

That's cool. I'm looking forward to the report.

picnroll

03-19-2006, 11:10 AM

A scout from New Jersey was at the game too but don't conlcude that it was to evaluate Mahinmi for a trade this summer. There are some good prospects in Le Havre and Paris : Aldo Curti for Le Havre; TJ Parker (tony's brother), Robert Rothbart, Oleksiy Pecherov for Paris. anothe solution is that he was there to scout an older player for an invitation to a summer league

Possibiliteis include:
1. Nets are scouting someone else other than Mahinmi.
2. Spurs are interested in a Nets player and are dangling Mahinmi. Pop has pined for Krstic since Thorn stole him in the draft.
3. Nets are scouting Mahinmi to see if they want to offer one of their players for him (Krstic who they know Pop lusts for) in a trade.
4. Thorn assigns someone to follow anybody leaving the SA airport and going oveseas to try to figure out who the Spurs are interested in.

Seems like the Nets are always buzzing like flys around Spurs' scouts and players the Spurs are interested in drafting.

T Park

03-19-2006, 11:17 AM

Id trade Mahinmi for Kristic and uhhhhhh

Eh, what the hell, throw in,

screw it, I think Ian could be a better fit...

exstatic

03-19-2006, 12:25 PM

picnroll

03-19-2006, 12:34 PM

I prefer that athleticism and potential of Mahinimi too. But Pop is a win now worry later type of coach. He might figure he has two or three years of top flight ball left in Duncan and Ginobili and getting Krstic is maximizing those years while waiting for Mahinmi won't help in the TD and Manu window.

Anyway it's just wildassed speculation based on a Net scout showing up in a game Ian was playing in.

T Park

03-19-2006, 12:38 PM

You can never teach Nenad how to jump higher or run faster, but you can teach Ian to block out, rotate on defense and rebound. Mahinmi is a freak athlete in the KG, DRob, Amare class. He's 19 fucking years old. Don't just toss that for another Serbian plodder.

Exactly.

You cant teach jumping or athleticism.

picnroll

03-19-2006, 12:40 PM

Exactly.

You cant teach jumping or athleticism.
You mean like Stromile Swift?

Bruno

03-19-2006, 12:41 PM

Anyway it's just wildassed speculation based on a Net scout showing up in a game Ian was playing in.

Yes, it's higly unlikely that he was at this game for Mahinmi.
Don't be traumatize by Rob Thorn.
Maybe it was for a futur trade : Parker + Mahinmi + Salary filler for Jason Kidd :smokin

Samr

03-19-2006, 12:51 PM

The video isn't playing for me. What did y'all use to view it?

Bruno

03-19-2006, 12:53 PM

How many fouls did ian get for his last played game?? wasnt he usually a foul magnet?

3, he seems to have less troubles with fouls.

I read game reports from Le Havre website and they said that Mahinmi dominate in the paint very often. I first think that they were quite biaised but it seems that it's right.
Since the Christmas brake, Le Havre calls plays for Mahinmi. The result is that he is likely the player who draws the more fouls on him (5.6 fouls in 23 minutes) in French league. The only way to stop him is to make a fault.

Bruno

03-19-2006, 12:56 PM

The video isn't playing for me. What did y'all use to view it?

Realplayer or Real Alternative.

RobinsontoDuncan

03-19-2006, 01:01 PM

Samr

03-19-2006, 01:06 PM

Realplayer

It's still not opening for me. I assume this is because I am, electronically-speaking, an idiot, but if anyone has the patience to help me with this it would be greatly appreciated.

Kori Ellis

03-19-2006, 01:07 PM

I like what this Kid is doing. If I remember correctly, Tony never played for Paris basket racing, and he was developed by San Antonio, that's why it was such a shock to the league that he became sooo good, everyone was asking in 2003 how a kid who never played back home, and failed to really impress in Chicago was so good, and how the spurs found him.

At 15, Parker went to INSEP, France’s sports development institute where he quickly became dominant in a tough Division 3 league (22.1 ppg in 1998-99). He considered going to Georgia Tech but finally preferred, at 17, signing with Paris Basket Racing. Parker had limited playing time for his first season with Sydney’s silver medal winner, Laurent Sciarra, receiving the lion’s share of the minutes at the point guard position. After winning the U18 European title with France in the summer of 2000 (14.4 ppg but over 22 in the quarterfinals and after!), Tony had a solid season with Paris Basket Racing (14.7 pts, 6.9 as).

Kori Ellis

03-19-2006, 01:11 PM

It's still not opening for me. I assume this is because I am, electronically-speaking, an idiot, but if anyone has the patience to help me with this it would be greatly appreciated.

It works fine on my computer just by clicking it and then it downloads and starts playing. But for some reason, it doesn't work on LJ's computer (which is virtually the same as mine). So it might not be your fault, but I don't know what to tell you to help you.

exstatic

03-19-2006, 01:15 PM

You mean like Stromile Swift?
Stromile is known as Slo-mile for his absolute basketball stupidity. Athleticism isn't everything, but you really can't teach it, you have to have it, and if you do and are coachable and intelligent, you have a chance to be something special.

Nenad Kristic is what he is, and will not ever be anything else. He's already got all the fundamentals he's ever going to have. He's static.

picnroll

03-19-2006, 01:23 PM

It still PO's me that Thorn stole Krstic. I know some say Thorn got the tip from a Euro scout but I don't buy it. Particularly when the next year it just happened to be Planicic the Nets picked who the Spurs had circulated strong rumors they were interested in.

Krstic is not all that athletic. But then neither were Bird, Mullins or Duncan for that matter. Not saying he will come close to the caliber of Bird or Duncan but he's a damn talented player and I wish he were wearing silver and black. He has and will continue to improve his game. He'd be deadly with Parker on the P&R. That said I'd rather role the dice with Ian than lose him for Krstic.

Bruno

03-19-2006, 01:40 PM

It's still not opening for me. I assume this is because I am, electronically-speaking, an idiot, but if anyone has the patience to help me with this it would be greatly appreciated.

Maybe you should try to open Realplayer by clicking on the icon in the start menu and then open the files through realplayer menus instead of double-clicking on the file. Sometimes it works (Realplayer is a strange software).

Another solution is to download media player classic (nothing to install)
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/guliverkli/mpc2kxp6489.zip?download
unzip the file, launch mplayerc.exe then File -> Open File -> browse (in the open line) -> select the file and launch it.

RobinsontoDuncan

03-19-2006, 02:22 PM

We are stacked with prospects in other leagues, my question is when will they ever get here?

wildbill2u

03-19-2006, 05:07 PM

Kristic is solid, but he is NOT a great rebounder (5.8 in 30 mins per game) and is not a shotblocker at ALL. I'd rather let Ian percolate for a few years and see what we have. You can never teach Nenad how to jump higher or run faster, but you can teach Ian to block out, rotate on defense and rebound. Mahinmi is a freak athlete in the KG, DRob, Amare class. He's 19 fucking years old. Don't just toss that for another Serbian plodder.

I saw Kristic in the Nets/Mavs game today and he looked very solid. Nice shooting touch, handles the ball well, mobile and a hustler although he's a little light to be muscling guys like Shaq--but who isn't? His stats for the game may be uncharacteristic:

37 8-14 0-0 2-2 5 13 4 1 1 1 5 18

But they confirm my overall impression that the Nets finally have someone at center that is better than average. I don't see why they'd trade him.

ChumpDumper

03-19-2006, 05:10 PM

The Nets have a priapism for athletic big men, so I would imagine they could have some interest in Ian. I don't see the Spurs cooperating though.

T Park

03-19-2006, 05:11 PM

We are stacked with prospects in other leagues, my question is when will they ever get here?

Id say there is a great chance, if he wants to, that Javtokas comes over this summer.

He was gonna come last summer.

Too bad, hed be fantastic right now.

T Park

03-19-2006, 05:16 PM

IMO, the Nets have nothing outside of Richard Jefferson, and Nenad, that the Spurs would want.

Call me crazy, but he reminds me of a tall thin David Robinson.

Athleticism out the wazoo, not alot of time playing the game, can jump out of the building.

Its almost uncanny.

He might not be as intelligent book wise, who knows we haven't given him a wunderlick, but, he reminds me, also as fast as he is learning the game, of David Robinson.

Yeah yeah its nuts, but its the only one I can think of that he compares to.

Hopefully hes more Robinson than Swift.

RobinsontoDuncan

03-19-2006, 05:41 PM

Wouldn't it be nice if it went that way

Robinson -> Duncan -> Mahinimi

The Dynasty just keeps comming!

T Park

03-19-2006, 06:08 PM

lol

Yeah, I pray that hes 75% what DRob was.

That would be beyond luck though, it would almost seem like fate :lol

mathbzh

03-20-2006, 03:52 AM

There is another interesting player in Le Havre :
Aldo Curti (1987). He is a young 5'11 athletic PG. He is in his first professional season.
He may worth to be scouted.

OM_fever

03-20-2006, 07:09 AM

last update:
31 min - 14 pts (5/8 + 4/6 FT) - 13 rbs (2/11) - 3 blocs - 1 assist and 7 TO!
He really good line if we except the TO. However, he is really young and still need to gain some experiences but he contributes offensively & defensively. His number are rising since some months and this is really excitting for the next season.
:elephant

Bruno

03-20-2006, 07:57 AM

For people really curious on him :
Highlights of the saturday game against Paris:
http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/stb.com/stbtv/STBTV30.rm
Ian is in red (big guy with the number 5, he has a white armband on the left arm)
There are less actions with Ian but some good ones :
- a nice little assist
- a block on the board followed by the rebound
- a post move
- another nice block
- a missed dunk followed by a made one 5 second later

RobinsontoDuncan

03-20-2006, 12:51 PM

Id say there is a great chance, if he wants to, that Javtokas comes over this summer.

He was gonna come last summer.

Too bad, hed be fantastic right now.

Yeah, I dont know how much use Javokotas would be here, he shoots FTs in the shaq range (sounds like our kinda guy) but he is a 10ppg and 10rpg guy in the Euro leagues, how much PT would he really get here? I see him as another oberto

leemajors

03-20-2006, 01:01 PM

he can rebound, he is big, and he can move well laterally. there is no need for him to score, he just needs to rebound, defend, and set good picks/screens. any points are gravy. javtokas is much more of a center height and weight-wise than oberto.

Rummpd

03-20-2006, 02:10 PM

I am more concerned with him as a defender, Spurs got enough who can score but have to start developing a SF type defender rapidly IMO for the Dirks, TMac, Brands to help out Duncan as Bowen ages.

He is a shot blocker by reputation and a pretty good rebounder but how is his overall defense???

leemajors

03-20-2006, 02:12 PM

i think i heard someone say he is a euroleague DPOY candidate, but i don't know how that translates to NBA defense. we just have to bring him over and see... i'm sure he would be at least as good a defender as nazr by default.

picnroll

03-20-2006, 08:49 PM

Some really nice help D shot blocking. Haven't seen anyone that big and that quick wearing a Spurs uniform in a while.

101A

03-21-2006, 08:59 AM

... But Pop is a win now worry later type of coach.

Pop is a win now, AND always look to the future type of coach...and R.C. is certainly on board with this philosophy.

It think that is what differentiates the Spurs from the other teams in the league...while they are Cubaning around plugging and filling to win A ring, the Spurs are setting their roster for 2012 - only leaving off the bench for aging veteran holes to fill.

picnroll

03-21-2006, 10:02 AM

Pop is a win now, AND always look to the future type of coach...and R.C. is certainly on board with this philosophy.

It think that is what differentiates the Spurs from the other teams in the league...while they are Cubaning around plugging and filling to win A ring, the Spurs are setting their roster for 2012 - only leaving off the bench for aging veteran holes to fill.
I don't think that's accurate at all and it's getting a little concerning. Spurs are the oldest team in the league. They haven't added a draft pick to the roster in five years that's contributing significantly to the team. They've traded away picks for short term fixes in Claxton, shedding Roses contract (two first rounders) and have only a possibly serviceable backup PG and some overseas players of uncertain NBA potential to show for the last five drafts and years. They passed on a guy Pop wanted, Josh Howard, for Speedy. They've developed but not retained younger talent in Jackson and Brown. They currently have no development players on the team unless you consider Udrih on the roster. Meanwhile a number of teams have brought in young Jackson-type players with potential over the past three years.

It's time the Spurs shift their focus and start replinishiing youth. The attempted trade of JR Smith for Barry was possibly a recognition of that need (or an attempt to dump Barry for a shorter term contract).

whottt

03-21-2006, 10:51 AM

I don't think that's accurate at all and it's getting a little concerning. Spurs are the oldest team in the league. They haven't added a draft pick to the roster in five years that's contributing significantly to the team. They've traded away picks for short term fixes in Claxton, shedding Roses contract (two first rounders) and have only a possibly serviceable backup PG and some overseas players of uncertain NBA potential to show for the last five drafts and years. They passed on a guy Pop wanted, Josh Howard, for Speedy. They've developed but not retained younger talent in Jackson and Brown. They currently have no development players on the team unless you consider Udrih on the roster. Meanwhile a number of teams have brought in young Jackson-type players with potential over the past three years.

It's time the Spurs shift their focus and start replinishiing youth. The attempted trade of JR Smith for Barry was possibly a recognition of that need (or an attempt to dump Barry for a shorter term contract).

This is all well and good...but they have 5 draft picks playing and developing over in Europe...add in Beno and the Spurs have drafted several keepers at the F, C and PG spots all in the last 5 years.

We are old and we do need to hit on some young 2 guard and SF talent...but it's not like the Spurs have just tossed aside their future trying to win now...they've used some picks that will help us in the future and used some of them to aquire veteran players that can help us win now.

The Spurs generally do a good job with managing their picks and there is little or no room to criticize them...better than any team in the league if you ask me.

TDMVPDPOY

03-21-2006, 10:58 AM

pretty hard to draft a top prospect when most of our picks are at the end of the draft, thats why we oughta draft unknowns that has been scouted heavily by us, so other teams dont know.

picnroll

03-21-2006, 11:16 AM

Spurs have done a good job in the past but they have gotten out of balance with their mixed of savy vets and youth with potential. One of their strengths has been identiying young talent, be it in the oate rounds, waiver wire, summer league, and developing that talent. They haven't capitalized on that.

Maybe Sanikidze will rehab (I'm guessing he's surreptitiously working out with the Spurs in some form as well) and pan out. Scoal or Javtokas might finally land and be significant contributors, Mahinmi as well, he's the one I feel most confident about. But those and Beno are all the Spurs have cooking right now. Dallas, Phoenix and Detroit are all trying to foster more young talent on their squads.

RobinsontoDuncan

03-21-2006, 11:34 AM

Well Beno is playing out of his mind right now, so I think he is comming along nicley, and you can always consdier Tony a prospect if you want after all he is the same age as Beno and would be 1 year removed from being a college senior right now, so i suppose he is still developing.

Sandizkid is a SF and the Spurs seem to be very high on him. It would awesome to see him come in and contribute next season, the scoutign report on him reads he is a long guy with some ability to penetrate and a really nice shot (although apparently his release is ackward) defensivly im sure he would be a liability in his first season or two, but hopefully Pop can turn him into a servicable defensive player as well.

I think this team is ready for a youth movemnt, and luckily we have the pieces in place do that.

picnroll

03-21-2006, 11:43 AM

Sandizkid is a SF and the Spurs seem to be very high on him.
I haven't read or heard boo about any Spurs' comments of their feelings abouit Sanikidze potential for ages.

genghisrex

03-21-2006, 07:43 PM

They passed on a guy Pop wanted, Josh Howard, for Speedy.
Actually, they got Speedy for Salmons. They passed on Howard (and Speedy too for that matter with his 4th year option) for Jason Kidd.

picnroll

03-21-2006, 08:14 PM

Shame on me for fogetting the Kidd abomination. At least they didn't sign Kidd.

Speedy was the prize for Krstic being picked off by NJ. Another bad Spurs move by telegaraphing that he was their target.

TDMVPDPOY

03-21-2006, 09:52 PM

exstatic

03-21-2006, 09:57 PM

This is what i think about sani and ian, we should bring them over and get them training against nba guyz, not euro scrubs. Even if they dont get pt at least they be trainin with the team, and who knows we mite have another milicic who explodes once given the pt.

Mahinmi, maybe, because they have 4-5 years worth of options on a first rounder. Sanikidze is a 2nd round pick, and they need to be sure he's ready. Second rounders normally get 2-3 year deals, and they don't want to have that time ticking with him on the bench or inactive.

picnroll

04-01-2006, 11:52 AM

Mahinmi didn't play in Le Havre's game yesterday against Reims. Anyone know why?

Also a little news on Mahinmi from anothr board.

In a recent interview with the French magazine Basketnews, Jean-Luc Monschau (Le Havre coach) gave some information about the youngsters of his team, Ian Mahinmi and Aldo Curti.
He said that he is very satisfied with the evolution of Mahinmi since the beginning of the season. He is doing a lot of physical work this season, something he couldn't do last season because of some injuries. He need now to become an offensive player, in the beginning of last season, ha had no offensive move at all. After being drafted, he felt a lot of pressure, because he was a player with 6pts and 4rebs per game. He is now starting to face some double teams, something completely new for Mahinmi. He starts to play now withthe back to the basket and tries some moves. On every play, he receives the ball now to create. He starts even playing at the power forward spot. He has still some foul trouble, but it is because of his age, estimates the coach. His contract gives him no buyout for this season, so he can change to the team he wants to. But the Spurs are supervising everything on his contractual situation.
Aldo Curti is progressing, but you still don't see it in the games. He has a lot of confidence at practice but he still cannot transform it on the court in games.

TDMVPDPOY

04-01-2006, 12:21 PM

thats good to hear, at leasts spurs should be organizing and takin charge of his contract negotiations in europe, We dont want another scola situation in our hands.

JUUOT

04-01-2006, 01:36 PM

Mahinmi didn't play in Le Havre's game yesterday against Reims. Anyone know why?
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He has a sprained ankle, did not train this week but should be back next week end. It happened at training and is not bad.

picnroll

04-16-2006, 10:48 AM

Bruno

04-16-2006, 01:45 PM

Mahinmi had a game yesterday where he scored 13 points and had 5 rebounds in 20 minutes. Looks like he had a little foul problem again. Thing that strikes me from the stats is that in 20 minutes he drew 11 fouls. Seems like he's getting to be a handful. Any updates Bruno?

Nothing special.
It was his third game since his ankle injury. He is playing better each game, i think he will be back soon in the starting lineup.
His team is playing better too since the return of his best player (Tony Stanley).
For his game yesterday : You're right 11 fouls drawn in 20 minutes is amazing. Even if I haven't watch the game, it shows that he was dominant in the paint on the offensive end (a la Shaq : a foul is the only way to stop him).

exstatic

04-16-2006, 02:27 PM

I hope Ian's ready next year.

Kori Ellis

04-16-2006, 03:37 PM

Any chance he'll be in Spurs summer league? or does he have international commitments in July?

Bruno

04-16-2006, 03:59 PM

Any chance he'll be in Spurs summer league? or does he have international commitments in July?

He will play the U20 euro championship with the french team. (14-23 July in Turkei)

picnroll

04-16-2006, 03:59 PM

I think Mahinmi expects to be playing for the French Under 20 team this summer.

ChumpDumper

04-16-2006, 04:06 PM

Right at the same time of the RMR....

Hopefully, the Spurs join a second summer league so we can get a look at him.

picnroll

04-16-2006, 04:10 PM

Would the Spurs even bring him for a summer league unless they intended to sign him for '06-'07?

ChumpDumper

04-16-2006, 04:12 PM

They brought in Karaulov last summer.

timvp

04-16-2006, 04:13 PM

I don't think that it'll be necessary for Mahinmi to go to summer league before the Spurs decide to sign him. It's tough to get a good look at bigmen in that setting, plus they're scouting him enough to know what he needs to work on.

I don't think he comes over next year, but if the centers continue to suck the Spurs may be forced to speed up his development.

Kori Ellis

04-16-2006, 04:14 PM

He will play the U20 euro championship with the french team. (14-23 July in Turkei)

Thanks.
Yeah ChumpDumper is right, RMR is the same time.
Las Vegas Summer League starts on July 6th (?) but I doubt the Spurs will have a team there.

picnroll

04-16-2006, 04:15 PM

Karalaulov I'd guess they were sizing up against a defined level of talent, seeing what, if anythig he had. I have a feeling they have a better feel for what and where Mahinmi is.

timvp

04-16-2006, 04:15 PM

In summer league this year, it'll be nice to see what Sanikidze can do. He had AK47 hype around the draft, so hopefully he can at least be the long three the Spurs need.

spurschick

04-16-2006, 04:16 PM

Is anyone else here in SA planning on checking this out?

http://www.usabasketball.com/men/2006/06_mu18_san_antonio.html

Kori Ellis

04-16-2006, 04:17 PM

Is anyone else here in SA planning on checking this out?

http://www.usabasketball.com/men/2006/06_mu18_san_antonio.html

I didn't realize that was here. Yeah, we might be interested in going.

spurschick

04-16-2006, 04:24 PM

I didn't realize that was here. Yeah, we might be interested in going.

I'm sure we can work the schedule around the river parade. :spin

Bruno

04-16-2006, 04:34 PM

Thanks.
Yeah ChumpDumper is right, RMR is the same time.
Las Vegas Summer League starts on July 6th (?) but I doubt the Spurs will have a team there.

I think too that there are some friendly games before the U20 tournament.

RobinsontoDuncan

04-16-2006, 04:45 PM

Mahinimi and Sadizikide are the future of the Spurs, I hope they can be franchise players (I realize this will be Tony's team, but the Spurs will always need a 20 10 bigman for Pop's system). If Sandizikid can develop into a good offensive force as a 3 it would be great, our big three of the future would be Mahinimi, Sandizikide, and Parker.

If Manu is capable of building on his 04-05 season this is a dynasty

xcoriate

04-16-2006, 08:29 PM

Thats pretty optimistic. You can't expect every pick to turn into an all-star its unreasonable. Hell I hope your right but the chances are next to nothing.

Kori Ellis

04-24-2006, 08:45 AM

FIBA: FRA - Pau keen on Mahinmi

PAU (Pro A) - Pau-Orthez president Pierre Seillant has confirmed his interest in Le Havre's rising star Ian Mahinmi.

The 19-year-old center was selected by the San Antonio Spurs in last year's NBA draft but the US superpowers advised the youngster to remain in Europe for another one or two seasons to gain more experience.

And it now seems Mahinmi could bolster Pau-Orthez's rank next season.

"His agent contacted us and suggested him to us," said Seillant in daily newspaper Sud Ouest.

"The Spurs want him to complete a full season in Europe, in a high-calibre team which plays in the Euroleague.

"We are ready to welcome him for one season. He would be one of our two centers.

"Playing two matches per week would allow him to progress and compete with high-flying players."

Seillant has, however, admitted they are not the only ones interested.

"We want him the same way Le Mans or ASVEL do," he added.

"The world is in the palm of his hands."

Mahinmi averaged 10.1 points and 5.2 rebounds per game this campaign for Le Havre, who are lying in 11th spot.

Pau-Orthez, who last won the French Pro A title in 2004, are leading the table but bowed out of the Euroleague in the early stages this season.

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/News/Photos/2006/04/24/_original/060424_fra_s.jpg

http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/news/latest_news_article.asp?cookietest=done&r_act_news=12223&r_cat=8&page=1

Kori Ellis

04-24-2006, 08:47 AM

The 19-year-old center was selected by the San Antonio Spurs in last year's NBA draft but the US superpowers advised the youngster to remain in Europe for another one or two seasons to gain more experience.

So it looks like the Spurs will leave him in Europe another couple years and he'll sign another contract over there for now.

Bruno

04-24-2006, 09:02 AM

Thanks Kori for the news.

Playing for a french team who play the euroleague is the good choice for him. Playing one year in another european country when you are 19 year old is a bad thing : at least in France the team will give him some playtime and take care of him.

Pau-Orthez is a very good choice, it's a great place to improve your level : they have had Petro, Diaw and Pietrus.

Le Mans and l'ASVEL are good teams too. but only two french teams will play the euroleague. Pau-Orthez will likely be the first one and the second is unknown for the moment.

picnroll

04-24-2006, 09:06 AM

Guess I'm going to have to change to Mahinmi in '07. :(

Unless the Spurs resign Nazr they'll be needing another big who can play some.

timvp

04-24-2006, 03:09 PM

Pretty much expected news. Hopefully Mahinmi can start to up his numbers a little bit next year.

RobinsontoDuncan

04-26-2006, 11:52 AM

Thats pretty optimistic. You can't expect every pick to turn into an all-star its unreasonable. Hell I hope your right but the chances are next to nothing.

That's not optimistic, they are the future of the spurs, any other young players out there the Spurs have rights to?

Well there is Beno-- but he is always going to be a backup as long as he is here.

FreshPrince22

04-26-2006, 04:58 PM

That's not optimistic, they are the future of the spurs, any other young players out there the Spurs have rights to?

Well there is Beno-- but he is always going to be a backup as long as he is here.

Thinking Mahinmi will be a "20 and 10 franchise player" as you said guy is not only optimistic. It's unrealistic. There are very few 20 and 10 guys in the league today. And all of them are top players. It's next to impossible to have a big man like that fall through the cracks to a point where it was a shock he was even drafted, much less in the first round. Guards are a different story. Guys like Arenas, Redd, Manu, Tony, etc. That's not uncommon, but 20 and 10 bigs? How many franchise big men fall to the late 20's early 30s?

Mahinmi looks to me like an athletic rebounder, shotblocker, garbage bucket type of guy. Good young prospect but "20 and 10 franchise player"? Come on. Have you even seen him play outside of maybe a highlight clip or two?

leemajors

04-26-2006, 05:10 PM

Thinking Mahinmi will be a "20 and 10" as you said guy is not only optimistic. It's unrealistic. There are very few 20 and 10 guys in the league today. And all of them are top players. It's next to impossible to have a big man like that fall through the cracks to a point where it was a shock he was even drafted, much less in the first round. Guards are a different story. Guys like Arenas, Redd, Manu, Tony, etc. That's not uncommon, but 20 and 10 bigs? How many franchise big men fall to the late 20's early 30s?

Mahinmi looks to me like an athletic rebounder, shotblocker, garbage bucket type of guy. Good young prospect but "20 and 10" guy? Come on. Have you even seen him play outside of maybe a highlight clip or two?

i'll take 8 and 8.

Bruno

05-11-2006, 03:23 PM

http://www.basketfrance.com/actu/actu.php?id=2312

Ian is selected to play with the french national second team. :tu
There are 16 players selected and after two training course, 12 will be kept.
If a player plays really well with the second team, he can be selected with the first team (the team with Parker, Diaw, Pietrus...).
It's a good news for Mahinmi : playing with the senior is an upgrade over the under 20 team. I doubt he will play in Japan with the first team but it's not impossible : Petro will likely stay in Seattle and Franch national team badly need size.

Roster :
Frédéric ADJIWANOU, 2,04 m, 25 ans, Intérieur, Reims CB
Stephen BRUN, 2,02 m, 25 ans, Intérieur, Adecco ASVEL
Xane D’ALMEIDA 1,80 m, 23 ans, Meneur, EB Pau-Orthez
Gauthier DARRIGAND, 1,80 m, 24 ans, Meneur, Clermont-Ferrand
Yakhouba DIAWARA, 2,01 m, 23 ans, Intérieur, Fortitudo Bologne (Italie)
Thomas DUBIEZ, 1,95 m, 26 ans, Arrière, BCM Gravelines
Cédric FERCHAUD, 1,94 m, 25 ans, Arrière, Cholet Basket
Olivier GOUEZ, 2,18 m, 21 ans, Intérieur, Golbey-Epinal (Pro B)
Alain KOFFI, 2,06 m, 22 ans, Intérieur, Le Mans SB
Thomas LARROUQUIS, 1,97 m, 21 ans, Arrière, Clermont-Ferrand
Ian MAHINMI, 2,08 m, 19 ans, Intérieur, STB Le Havre
Michel MORANDAIS, 1,95 m, 27 ans, Arrière, Carpisa Naples (Italie)
Victor SAMNICK, 2,03 m, 26 ans, Intérieur, Paris Basket Racing
Yohann SANGARE, 1,92 m, 23 ans, Meneur, Adecco ASVEL
William SOLIMAN, 2,01 m, 26 ans, Intérieur, SPO Rouen
Ronny TURIAF, 2,06 m, 23 ans, Intérieur, Los Angeles Lakers (NBA)

Schedule :
06/12 - 06/15 : training course
06/18 - 06/23 : training course
06/25 - 06/27 : Tournament in Italia against Italia, Venezuela, China
06/30 - 07/02: Tournament in italia against Italia, Japan, China

Kori Ellis

05-11-2006, 03:25 PM

Petro will likely stay in Seattle

He's not playing on the Sonics summer league team, so he might go to Japan.

picnroll

05-11-2006, 03:26 PM

So they list him at 208 rather than the previous 206 cm. That's 6'10". By NBA standards that's at least 6'11. He's probably about the same height as Duncan. Hopefully he has long as ass arms as Duncan. :)

FromWayDowntown

05-11-2006, 03:28 PM

One huge advantage associated with Mahinmi's situation is that the Spurs will, I'm sure, aid in any contractual negotiations to ensure that the Scola buy-out problems.

Sounds like the kid is progressing. I agree with the sentiment that it's a pipe dream to think that he'll become an all-star type 20/10 player. He's more likely to be an Anderson Varejao than a Tim Duncan.

Bruno

05-11-2006, 03:30 PM

He's not playing on the Sonics summer league team, so he might go to Japan.

Seattle is against to let him play with the second team but you're right, he still can play with the first team in japan.

timvp

05-11-2006, 03:37 PM

When Mahinmi is as good as Petro was this year, bring him over. Petro is already a better center than Mohammed.

Bruno

05-11-2006, 03:50 PM

When Mahinmi is as good as Petro was this year, bring him over. Petro is already a better center than Mohammed.

I disagree, Mahinmi is better this year than Petro last year in the french championship but he is too skinny for the nba and getting playtime with Spurs is way harder than getting playtime with Sonics.
Mahinmi works very hard to build-up : one more year in europe will give him an nba ready body.

The center we need to sign this summer is Javtokas : he is nba ready and can be our best center next year.

picnroll

05-11-2006, 03:59 PM

Has Mahinmi put on any more muscle this year? The videos show him having superior ability to establish low post position, he just has a feel for it. Last year he couldn't hold position in those game videos but ths year the glimpses I've seen he's doing a better job of it. I suspect that's a large part of why he's drawing all those fouls.

timvp

05-11-2006, 04:06 PM

I disagree, Mahinmi is better this year than Petro last year in the french championship but he is too skinny for the nba and getting playtime with Spurs is way harder than getting playtime with Sonics.

If he's too skinny, that's one thing. But Robert Swift and Johan Petro >>> Nazr and Rasho.

Mahinmi works very hard to build-up : one more year in europe will give him an nba ready body.

Yeah and I'm sure Peter Holt wouldn't mind him developing on someone else's dime and then having more of his viable years be under his rookie contract.

:smokin

The center we need to sign this summer is Javtokas : he is nba ready and can be our best center next year.

Hopefully. I wonder if there is any chance he plays in summer league.

SilverPlayer

05-11-2006, 04:13 PM

Thinking Mahinmi will be a "20 and 10 franchise player" as you said guy is not only optimistic. It's unrealistic. There are very few 20 and 10 guys in the league today. And all of them are top players. It's next to impossible to have a big man like that fall through the cracks to a point where it was a shock he was even drafted, much less in the first round. Guards are a different story. Guys like Arenas, Redd, Manu, Tony, etc. That's not uncommon, but 20 and 10 bigs? How many franchise big men fall to the late 20's early 30s?

Mahinmi looks to me like an athletic rebounder, shotblocker, garbage bucket type of guy. Good young prospect but "20 and 10 franchise player"? Come on. Have you even seen him play outside of maybe a highlight clip or two?

I disagree...I think the guy has so much upside its scary. The guy's body is freakishly athletic, and he moves extremely well. His body alone is very much in the Amare- KG - Robinson mold than anyone else. This kid is going to be good, with a potential to be a superstar. He is saying all of the right things about developing that potential too. 20-10 may be unrealistic but I am willing to bet he will be a 16-8 guy once he finally gets a year or two under his belt.

Bruno

05-11-2006, 04:26 PM

Yeah and I'm sure Peter Holt wouldn't mind him developing on someone else's dime and then having more of his viable years be under his rookie contract.

:smokin

Yep, that's the concept.
Ian has a great work ethic. I'm sure his build-up programm is designed by Spurs staff. He works too on Spurs plays scheme (they send him books :lol ) and spend time in San Antonio when he doesn't play in France.
CIA at his best.

Hopefully. I wonder if there is any chance he plays in summer league.

I don't need to see Javtokas in summer league to say that we need to sign him : great defender, 6'11", 260lbs, though, athletic as hell and great rebounder. It's enough to say that he will be our best center even if he sucks on the ofensive end (Nazr and Rasho aren't too great offensive players).

FreshPrince22

05-11-2006, 05:47 PM

I disagree...I think the guy has so much upside its scary. The guy's body is freakishly athletic, and he moves extremely well. His body alone is very much in the Amare- KG - Robinson mold than anyone else. This kid is going to be good, with a potential to be a superstar. He is saying all of the right things about developing that potential too. 20-10 may be unrealistic but I am willing to bet he will be a 16-8 guy once he finally gets a year or two under his belt.

I would take that bet. What makes you think a guy whose bio reads "doesn't score much outside of dunks and FTs" makes you think he'll be able to score 16 points per game against NBA level players as a 21-23 year old (assuming he waits one more year)?

For reference: Johan Petro is easily the better prospect of the two with his size, athleticism, wingspan, and overall skills yet he put up 5ppg and 4rpg this year.

Big men that can score do not grow on trees. Thinking everyone the Spurs grab late in the first or 2nd round is going to be the next Robinson/Duncan (or even remotely close) is getting your expectations up way too high. I can assure you that Spurs management doesn't look like at it like that.

SilverPlayer

05-12-2006, 12:38 AM

I'd say they are really hyped about him...You need to read this. I don't think Sam Presti was this excited about an 18 year old for nothing. This kid is going to be our biggest draft steal, not Manu, not Parker. (I say that because he is a big man and getting one this good this late in the draft is what will make him a bigger steal.)

When the 28th pick was announced last night, clearly no one had any idea who Ian Mahinmi was. The name was pronounced deliberately, as if consulting a pronounciation guide. The commentary was vague and didn't venture beyond what could be gleaned from a draft primer--along the lines of "tall young athlete who might contribute down the road." There was no video on hand for us to review.

But no one had the balls to say it was a bad pick, simply because of who was picking--the maestro of San Antonio, R.C. Buford.

Buford got Beno Udrih with a late pick last year, and of course Manu Ginobili (speaking of, have you seen the comment explosion here?) with the 58th pick before that.

So, what were they thinking in San Antonio? Mike Monroe of the San Antonio Express-News has done his homework. The selection of Ian Mahinmi comes down to Director of Player Personnel Sam Presti, who fell in love with the 6-10, mobile 18-year-old power forward last summer at a tournament in Spain:

"Last year Sam Presti came back from the European junior tournament in Zaragosa and said, 'I've got our next guy that I really want us to focus on,'" Buford said. "Sam doesn't come that strong very often, so it made an impact. Between myself and Danny (Ferry, the director of basketball operations) and Sam we spent enough time over there this year we felt very comfortable evaluating the growth curve."Link (http://www.truehoop.com/269-print.html)

/also in reference to a couple of years under his belt, I am saying his second or third NBA year. Not the first year he gets here. 10 and 6 are more reasonable until after his sophomore funk.

whottt

05-12-2006, 03:40 AM

I would take that bet. What makes you think a guy whose bio reads "doesn't score much outside of dunks and FTs" makes you think he'll be able to score 16 points per game against NBA level players as a 21-23 year old (assuming he waits one more year)?

For reference: Johan Petro is easily the better prospect of the two with his size, athleticism, wingspan, and overall skills yet he put up 5ppg and 4rpg this year.

Big men that can score do not grow on trees. .

Have you seen the guy play?

#1.He's 6'10 and still growing.
#2.He can jump out of the gym. Higher than Petro.
#3.He's fast. Faster than Petro.
#4.He's a hell of a longer than Petro.
#5.He hustles like a career CBA journeyman getting his last chance to play in the NBA. It's funny because you can tell he's pretty much the top prospect they are developing...but he plays like a guy trying to hold on to the last spot in the rotation.

IOW...he bears a whole lot of resemblance to a guy named David Robinson...Not as fast, not as athletic...but works just as hard and may actually end up being longer and taller than the Admiral.

Petro plays with the effort of Shaq playing D in a preseason game, after a big lunch...even in the French Leagues Games I have seen him in.

The Admiral wasn't exactly drafted for his J or his arsenal of post up moves... But when you get a guy that's 7'1, who can jump out of the gym, and hustles...good things happen.

He's big, fast, athletic and plays hard...He'll be in the NBA. He probably won't be the next Drob, an absolute freak of nature with a genius level IQ...but he'll be something if he keeps working and playing that hard.

Thinking everyone the Spurs grab late in the first or 2nd round is going to be the next Robinson/Duncan (or even remotely close) is getting your expectations up way too high. I can assure you that Spurs management doesn't look like at it like that

Dunno...but the Spurs grabbed Luis Scola late in the second round and he would have graded out as a high lottery pick in last years draft. He's probably not a 20 10 guy, ok he's definitely not...but he's still a high lottery pick that the Spurs got late.

Nowitzki didn't have a lot of hype...either that or the Bucks are really stupid.

You are right that you don't find 20 10 guys deep in the draft very often, because scouting in the states is so thorough.....but since no one knows what 20 10 Euro looks like(since there has only been on IIRC)...if you are going to get lucky on one...it will be on a European player and it will be before he starts to show that kind of potential.

BTW, David Robinson wouldn't have even been drafted at 18, and if he had been by some miracle it would have been as a guard.

And neither would have...*ahem* Dennis Rodman...a 7 and 18 guy that was taken in the second round.

whottt

05-12-2006, 03:58 AM

Mahinmi looks to me like an athletic rebounder, shotblocker, garbage bucket type of guy. Good young prospect but "20 and 10 franchise player"? Come on. Have you even seen him play outside of maybe a highlight clip or two?

Last year we had some links to complete games of him in action...One of them was playing alongside Petro...

Mahnimi blew Petro off the court in terms of effort in the game I saw...and he was the guy jumping the ball up....and it was no contest every time. Without a doubt he was longer, could jump higher, and was already a better defender and harder worker than Petro. Petro was definitely the more polished of the two...but Mahnimi looked to have way more upside to me...just based on hustle.

Bruno

05-21-2006, 05:25 AM

A little update :
Mahinmi has played Saturday his last game of his season with Le Havre. It was too his last game with Le Havre and reports says he was very affected.

I have seen no news concerning his new team and I think he would wait to know which team will play the euroleague next season before making a choice.

His stats for the season :
9.6 pts (54% FG%, 60% FT%)
5.2 rebounds (2.2 offensive rebounds)
3.4 fouls (4.5 fouls drawn)
0.9 blocks
0.6 steals
1.7 turnover
0.5 assists
in 19.3 minutes (37 games played)

He has made a good season with a lot of progress on the offensive end but he is still inconsistent and often in foul trouble. He has also been slow down by an ankle injury for the last part of the season.

venitian navigator

05-21-2006, 05:42 AM

One more year in Europe in a very good team at the best possible level... At this point is the best thing to do! The only thing I'm worried about is that in a not so good tem he pleyed only 19 minutes a game...and probably not 'cause of foul trouble! The best reason for let him in Europe is to give him time to develop...and that' possible only if you play as much as possible!

Bruno

05-21-2006, 06:02 AM

The only thing I'm worried about is that in a not so good tem he pleyed only 19 minutes a game...and probably not 'cause of foul trouble!

You're wrong.
He played 19min per game because of foul trouble. When he was at 100% (that is to say when he wasn't injured), his coach put him on the floor as long as he can.

In euro basket, foul trouble is more frequent that in nba. Mahinmi plays too against 30 years old men (it's not like the ncaa) : these guys aren't very talented, big or athletic but they have a lot of experience and that's why Mahinmi is often in foul trouble.

venitian navigator

05-21-2006, 07:31 AM

SequSpur

05-21-2006, 07:47 AM

Mahinmi < Beer Seller

Bruno

05-21-2006, 07:53 AM

Thanks...and this is, I suppose, another good reason why he needs one more year before coming here! It's necessary for him to develop the ability to adjust at every kind of situation...and that's the first step (the next will be in his first one/two years of nba)!

Yep, he needs time, he is very young and raw.
He is at least 2 years away from contibuting in nba (next year in europe + rookie season in nba).

exstatic

05-21-2006, 08:07 AM

Mahinmi < Beer Seller
From the one who brought you: Manu = Manure.

Ian is a lock on the Sequmeter. :smokin

clubalien

05-21-2006, 10:35 AM

Thinking Mahinmi will be a "20 and 10 franchise player" as you said guy is not only optimistic. It's unrealistic. There are very few 20 and 10 guys in the league today. And all of them are top players. It's next to impossible to have a big man like that fall through the cracks to a point where it was a shock he was even drafted, much less in the first round. Guards are a different story. Guys like Arenas, Redd, Manu, Tony, etc. That's not uncommon, but 20 and 10 bigs? How many franchise big men fall to the late 20's early 30s?

Mahinmi looks to me like an athletic rebounder, shotblocker, garbage bucket type of guy. Good young prospect but "20 and 10 franchise player"? Come on. Have you even seen him play outside of maybe a highlight clip or two?

You have to remember 3 things
1:)the spurs are gods team personaly blessed by him
2:)The spurs since david robinson always end up gettign the best big man david then tim and now ian we just happen to get them with first pick just the people we needed to save our franchise. obviously we won't be losing any time soon so there is only soem ways we can get a top pick, we trade rasho for a pick and that team ends up losing badly and we end up with top pick .. god forbid we have another injury ;[ or we soem how recruit soem tall dude from iran or something no one has every heard of (please no sucky tall people like yao)
3:)ian has been compared to a yougn david robinson or a keven garnett. if it isn;t ian there are only say 5 years or less untill we need a new bigman. Sure tony is great but we God has gifted us with great bigman and the tradition will live on

Bruno

06-01-2006, 05:21 PM

Just a quick update to say that Mahinmi is at San Antonio since few days. He follows a training program. One thing is sure, this guy is a hard worker. He will split his summer between training at San Antonio, French second national team and summer league.

It was Spurs Front Ofiice who asked him to come in SA, maybe they want to sign him as soon as this summer.

http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/stb.com/actus/250506.html

T Park

06-01-2006, 05:38 PM

EXCELLENT!!! great to hear ;smokin

strangeweather

06-01-2006, 05:40 PM

It was Spurs Front Ofiice who asked him to come in SA, maybe they want to sign him as soon as this summer.
:elephant :elephant

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 05:42 PM

:hat

picnroll

06-01-2006, 05:43 PM

picnroll

06-01-2006, 05:45 PM

Here's the babblefish version

Hardly its season with the finished STB, Ian Mahinmi was contacted by the leaders of San Antonio Spurs who asked him to come to involve itself as of now! Ian thus took the first plane available, direction San Antonio where an intensive program awaits it. Can be that the defeat of Spurs in half finale of conference vis-a-vis in Dallas Mavericks is for something in this decision. The leaders of Spurs do not hide that they would like to renovate their growing old manpower... with the re-entry of Ian Mahinmi as of the next year?!

Bruno

06-01-2006, 05:46 PM

Bruno

06-01-2006, 05:52 PM

His season with the STB just finished, Ian Mahinmi was contacted by San Antonio Spurs Front Office who asked him to come at San Antonio for traning as soon as now! Ian thus took the first flight available, direction San Antonio for an intensive training program. Maybe the defeat in WCSF against Dallas Mavericks is linked with this decision. Spurs Front Office don't hide that they would like to go younger... with the signing of Ian Mahinmi as soon as this summer ?

ducks

06-01-2006, 05:54 PM

are spurs trying to move rasho to?

boutons_

06-01-2006, 05:55 PM

Should be an interesting summer to help pass the time until pre-season games.

picnroll

06-01-2006, 05:56 PM

Sounds to me like just speculation on the part of the reporter. I wouldn't be unhappy to see him. No matter how raw he is if he can move his feet, jump and he's long he can give Dirk a few minutes of difficulty.

ducks

06-01-2006, 05:58 PM

like ahf says send him to austin when spurs are not in town
and make him go against duncan at practice

picnroll

06-01-2006, 05:59 PM

like ahf says send him to austin when spurs are not in town
and make him go against duncan at practice
Screw that. If he comes give him ten minutes a night and let him get used to the league by playoff time.

wildbill2u

06-01-2006, 06:01 PM

Yep, he needs time, he is very young and raw.
He is at least 2 years away from contibuting in nba (next year in europe + rookie season in nba).

But how would he compare with some of the high school kids who've made the jump in past years directly to the NBA. Not all of them were good enough to make an instant contribution either.

We can all name some who didn't pan out for one reason or another or who took several years to develop fully.

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:01 PM

Well, I imagine this would be the time to work with Ian regardless of their intentions eo sign him. Now if he gets a US agent....

Bruno

06-01-2006, 06:02 PM

I'm sure he was coming as soon as his team in France was finished playing so he could work with the Spurs trainer no matter what. Unless the article says something about him signing I doubt that's changed.

It's not like Ian has 3 months of vacation.
Ian will play with the french second team in two weeks (June 12th).
My guess is that they want to evaluate him before the start of the offseason.

Before : Mahinmi will stay at least one year in europe for sure.
Now : We will see if he is good enough to play with us in 06-07.

ducks

06-01-2006, 06:05 PM

that is intersting 2 weeks is not a long time

wonder if they thinking of him or scola

scola would get you more if you trade him

strangeweather

06-01-2006, 06:05 PM

But how would he compare with some of the high school kids who've made the jump in past years directly to the NBA. Not all of them were good enough to make an instant contribution either.
But why sign someone to sit on the bench? If he isn't ready for minutes, he should be in France or in Austin, not wasting away on the bench.

On the other hand, if they think he's ready to play some minutes, that's great!

Phenomanul

06-01-2006, 06:05 PM

Should be an interesting summer to help pass the time until pre-season games.

Anything to help my mind forget the Dallas fiasco...

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:06 PM

We could realistically bring in all three of Scola, Javtokas and Ian. Just carry a full roster.

Bruno

06-01-2006, 06:06 PM

Now if he gets a US agent....

I think he still has an US agent : Bouna NDiaye who is based at Dallas.

ducks

06-01-2006, 06:06 PM

if he deseves 10 minutes a night on the court fine
I do not want him to watch 48 minutes a night for 82 games
he needs to play somewhere next year

picnroll

06-01-2006, 06:07 PM

Spurs don't need a polished player. They need a big, athletic, energetic guy that can gaurd some tough matchups and get a few rebounds. A couple of putbacks would be gravy. Varejao would have been perfect. Can Mahinmi come close to that?

strangeweather

06-01-2006, 06:08 PM

We could realistically bring in all three of Scola, Javtokas and Ian. Just carry a full roster.
three new bigs along with Duncan, Rasho, Oberto, and Horry seems excessive.

Or are you figuring we unload someone?

ducks

06-01-2006, 06:10 PM

horry is not needed tell after allstar break
that would be 5 bigs

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:14 PM

three new bigs along with Duncan, Rasho, Oberto, and Horry seems excessive.

Or are you figuring we unload someone?We can work on moving Rasho, but Ian will be in Austin most of the time.

ducks

06-01-2006, 06:17 PM

the 3 new bigs would not combine not cost as much as rasho
it is not like the spurs have that much tied up into them

it just means getting a long three or backup point would be harder unless they can trade barry for that long three

picnroll

06-01-2006, 06:19 PM

Spurs will not go into the season counting on three bigs who have never played in the NBA and Horry and Oberto. Guaransheed.

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:20 PM

Ok then, Rasho stays. No problem.

Gino2882

06-01-2006, 06:27 PM

I know you cant simulate gameplay in practice, but as has been mentioned earlier why not have Mahinmi in practice againstg Duncan and learning from him? If they Ian can be the future well down the road let Duncan groom him now.

Plus couldnt he play in the NBDL?

timvp

06-01-2006, 06:31 PM

The Spurs would ask Mahinmi to come workout with them even if they didn't have intentions of bringing him over until 2010.

Although it's nice to see that he has good work ethic. Hopefully he can just continue to get better and better.

picnroll

06-01-2006, 06:33 PM

Why would the Spurs play Mahinmi in the D league? It's wasting one cheap year of rookie contract. Maybe if they were going to bring him up mid- year, but otherwise it seems he either plays with the Spurs, them preferring to bring him later, more polished but realizing that he's their best answer to having an athletic big in small ball, or they send him back to France to grow and still have that added year of rookie contract.

Buddy Holly

06-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Either sign him for this season and let him grow into his role behind Duncan or keep him in France for however long.

I'd rather have him in the pro leagues overseas than over here not playing for the Spurs.

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:36 PM

ducks

06-01-2006, 06:36 PM

seems to me he has better work ethic then beno!

ducks

06-01-2006, 06:37 PM

would cheap ass holt though pay him to come over for just 2 weeks?

Bruno

06-01-2006, 06:39 PM

The Spurs would ask Mahinmi to come workout with them even if they didn't have intentions of bringing him over until 2010.

Disagree. It makes no sense to bring Mahinmi for two weeks from europe (7 hours time lag) while he will play with Spurs summer league in July if they have no intention to bring him next year.
I see that more like a workout than a training.

timvp

06-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Disagree. It makes no sense to bring Mahinmi for two weeks from europe (7 hours time lag) while he will play with Spurs summer league in July if they have no intention to bring him next year.
I see that more like a workout than a training.

They probably just want a progress report to make sure he hasn't turned into David Robinson or something.

MannyIsGod

06-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Disagree. It makes no sense to bring Mahinmi for two weeks from europe (7 hours time lag) while he will play with Spurs summer league in July if they have no intention to bring him next year.
I see that more like a workout than a training.Whats so non sensical about wanting to train your prospects as much as possible? I think people are reading way to much into this. It also makes no sense to sign Ian until he's ready. As Pic said above, there's no need to start the clock on him if he's going to play Dleauge ball. He can get that kind of experience in Europe.

I don't know enough on his skills at the moment to know whether or not theres a chance that they'll sign him this summer, but I definetly don't see this move as some kind precursor to that.

Buddy Holly

06-01-2006, 06:46 PM

You answered your own question. If they think he is hot shit after this two weeks, go ahead and start the clock on his rookie deal -- then rotate him between here and Austin as needed or wanted. If not, leave him in France.

If he's hot as shit you don't rotate him anywhere.

The D-League is for the ass of ass to go and be called up when the ass of the team is injured.

picnroll

06-01-2006, 06:48 PM

Given a year in the league can Mahinmi do a somewhat credible job guarding Dirk? Anybody? Anybody?

Kori Ellis

06-01-2006, 06:50 PM

Disagree. It makes no sense to bring Mahinmi for two weeks from europe (7 hours time lag) while he will play with Spurs summer league in July if they have no intention to bring him next year.
I see that more like a workout than a training.

Well you know that he's come over several other times this year, right?

Maybe this was just another one of the times he was scheduled to come over for a progress check. (Or maybe not :))

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:50 PM

It makes all kinds of sense if you want to want to decide whether to sign him to his rookie deal in July.

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:52 PM

If he's hot as shit you don't rotate him anywhere.

The D-League is for the ass of ass to go and be called up when the ass of the team is injured.He will likely be the big man ass of the team if he comes up next season.

MannyIsGod

06-01-2006, 06:53 PM

Sure, you could infer that but given that there's nothing else out there signaling that this guy is ready for the NBA just yet why would that be anything but a remote possibility? I can't see Ian contributing next year unless he's progressed much faster than has been reported.

Buddy Holly

06-01-2006, 06:54 PM

He will likely be the big man ass of the team if he comes up next season.

He's already >> Nazr and Rasho.

MannyIsGod

06-01-2006, 06:54 PM

He will likely be the big man ass of the team if he comes up next season.And thats what doesn't make sense. If everyone is as high on this guy as it had been made out, then why waste a year of his rookie contract for him to ride the pine when whe can get tons of valuable experience playing in europe?

Playing in Europe is far better than riding NBA pine when dealing with a young player you're trying to develop.

MannyIsGod

06-01-2006, 06:54 PM

He's already >> Nazr and Rasho.I don't know about that.

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:55 PM

He's already >> Nazr and Rasho.That's bullshit.

Buddy Holly

06-01-2006, 06:55 PM

I don't know about that.

My three week old toe nail > Nazr and Rasho.

Buddy Holly

06-01-2006, 06:56 PM

And thats what doesn't make sense. If everyone is as high on this guy as it had been made out, then why waste a year of his rookie contract for him to ride the pine when whe can get tons of valuable experience playing in europe?

Playing in Europe is far better than riding NBA pine when dealing with a young player you're trying to develop.

I don't think the Spurs sign him unless they are so sure that he will be able to play.

They don't sign him its because he's not ready. They do, its because he is.

ChumpDumper

06-01-2006, 06:57 PM

And thats what doesn't make sense. If everyone is as high on this guy as it had been made out, then why waste a year of his rookie contract for him to ride the pine when whe can get tons of valuable experience playing in europe?

Playing in Europe is far better than riding NBA pine when dealing with a young player you're trying to develop.I'm of two minds about the rookie deal. Sure you have the cheap years of the rookie deal, but if he blows up big time during that time, re-signing him will be much more expensive.

Again, the staff will decide whether he is hot shit enough to start the clock.

Bruno

06-01-2006, 06:59 PM

Well you know that he's come over several other times this year, right?

Maybe this was just another one of the times he was scheduled to come over for a progress check. (Or maybe not :))

Mahinmi Schedule for this summer:
05/20 : last game of the season with Le Havre
05/25 - 06/10 : training in SA
06/12 - 06/15 : training course with french NT
06/18 - 06/23 : training course with french NT
06/25 - 06/27 : Tournament in Italia against Italia, Venezuela, China
06/30 - 07/02 : Tournament in italia against Italia, Japan, China
07/14 - 07/21 : Rookie Mountain Revue + some training with Spurs
08/20 : start of the season in France

It wasn't scheduled (cf article).
I don't say they will sign him but I say that this training in San Antonio make no sense if Spurs are sure that they won't sign him this summer.
Mahinmi will play a lot this summer and this training looks more at a workout before the offseason to know if they will sign Mahinmi this summer.

ducks

06-01-2006, 07:08 PM

he was not planning on coming to sa the front office wants him to

it could be nothing but they knew he would be here for summer league why could they ot check on him then?

ploto

06-01-2006, 07:30 PM

boutons_

06-01-2006, 07:36 PM

"Rookie Mountain Revue"

:lol :lol

A humorous error, which carries about the same sense!

Rocky Mountain Revue

La Revue des Rocheuses :)

Bruno

06-01-2006, 07:55 PM

Spurs brought Robertas in to SA on several occassions in the past without people really realizing it. They even sent him to the Big Man Camp a couple of summer's ago after his accident. What is so unbelievable to people that the Spurs would want to bring him in, work him out, give him some things to work on, etc...

Even the Spurs own players (and yes that has included Beno) sometimes fly back to SA for a couple of weeks in the summer to work out at the facility and with the team's people between the end of the play-offs and the start of their time with their national teams.

Why they want to work him out during his only 3 weeks of rest of the Summer ?
Why they want to work him out while they will see him in one month ?
Does practising alone in SA during two weeks with time lag fatigue will do something for his development ?

The more logical reason for this training is that they want to evaluate him before the offseason. Mahinmi in 06 was a no before and now it's a maybe.

As for Ian, wasn't there a mention that he still has some chance of moving up onto his national team and missing the Summer League??

Yes. If he plays well with the french national second team, he can be called to play with the first team.

Plus, let us realize. The Spurs hoped they were still playing this week in the WCF. If they had beat Dallas, Ian would not be here working out. The coaches, etc... are avaiable now and have this extra opportunity to work with him.

Our bigmen were a faillure against Dallas. I think that they are evaluating all solutions for next year.

Kori Ellis

06-01-2006, 07:58 PM

Our bigmen were a faillure against Dallas. I think that they are evaluating all solutions for next year.

Exactly.

T Park

06-01-2006, 08:35 PM

but,

the bigmen failure was pop's fault i thought.

ducks

06-02-2006, 04:00 PM

everything is tp's fault or pop's t park

SPARKY

06-02-2006, 04:21 PM

Sanikidze is also slated to play in the summerleagues and he's been in SA at some point recently. It's not surprising that the Spurs would start dipping into their int'l farm team at some point.

djohn14

06-02-2006, 04:59 PM

Hi im djohn this is my first post ever and i just wanted to say hi to everyone.Although this is my first spurs post ive been a lifelong spurs fan and have looked here for news for the past season.I just wanted to tell you i found a sight that said Robertus WAS EXPECTED TO SIGN WITH US THIS SUMMER.Also it said Ian Mahimni is excpected to have a lot of workouts with us ove the next month or so in hopes of getting a contract.

PEACE OUT.

JUUOT

06-06-2006, 03:56 PM

austinfan

06-06-2006, 04:02 PM

Let me bring my side of the complot theory:

What we know:
->Ian was not scheduled to come
->Spurs wants to check Ian improvements
->French national team coaching staff has a good relationship with spurs and common interest in Ian

My theory: The french coach plans on adding Ian to the roster of the french NT for the world tournament this summer. He told spurs about it in the interest of the player> Spurs knowing about it decided to bring him over cause he will not be in summer league...

Good deduction skills, Juuot! I can see that being the reason. That would be how many Spurs playing in the WCs?
Manu
Oberto
(possibly Scola)
Tony
Mahinmi
Beno
Rasho
Javtokas

Man, Pop's going to have a heart attack this September worrying about potential injuries in Japan. *knocks wood and lights candle*

Kori Ellis

06-06-2006, 04:07 PM

^^ And maybe Bowen.

austinfan

06-06-2006, 04:08 PM

How could I forget Bowen? My bad.

MannyIsGod

06-06-2006, 04:21 PM

hmm, watching Mahmi play the in WC might be better than a summer leauge.

picnroll

06-06-2006, 04:25 PM

If Mahinmi is on the French team I'd say his greatest injury risk likely will be splinters.

timvp

06-06-2006, 06:05 PM

If Mahinmi is on the French team I'd say his greatest injury risk likely will be splinters.

:lol

Yeah, I doubt Mahinmi makes the team. And if he does, he probably would be the 11th or 12th man.

Kori Ellis

06-06-2006, 06:07 PM

Petro hasn't even made the French team, right?

picnroll

06-06-2006, 07:50 PM

2006 ROSTER (http://www.eurobasket.com/fra/nt.asp)

Claude Bergeaud has announced today the pre-selection for Japan 2006. Some surprises, some players missing, but 4 or 5 names could appear from the A' team list.

Mamoutou Diarra (198-F-80) of ES Chalon-Sur-Saone
Boris Diaw (203-F/C-82) of Phoenix Suns (USA)
Laurent Foirest (197-F-73) of Elan Bearnais Pau-Orthez
Mickael Gelabale (201-F-83) of Real Madrid (ESP)
Joseph Gomis (180-G-78) of Forum Filatelico Valladolid (ESP)
Aymeric Jeanneau (185-G-78) of Strasbourg IG
Cyril Julian (206-F/C-75) of Sluc Nancy Basket Pro
Vincent Masingue (204-F-76) of Adecco ASVEL Lyon-Villeurbanne
Tony Parker (183-G-80) of San Antonio Spurs (USA)
Florent Pietrus (202-F-81) of Unicaja Malaga (ESP)
Mickael Pietrus (198-F-82) of Golden State Warriors (USA)
Frederic Weis (217-C-77) of Lagun Aro Bilbao (ESP)

Head Coach: Claude Bergeaud

TDMVPDPOY

06-06-2006, 08:48 PM

why is weis even still on the team, hasnt he learnt his lesson from international ball not to stand in vc way

JUUOT

06-06-2006, 10:29 PM

bergeaud already something surprising last year for the euro. he left a veteran taht everybody loved out of the team to take a young guy for the bench. His reasonning was to build the team for years to come and have player coming in with the right expectations. If Ian improved as much as we keep hearing (best junior player of the french championship) we could see him in the A team as a learning experience.

Bruno

06-07-2006, 01:24 AM

why is weis even still on the team, hasnt he learnt his lesson from international ball not to stand in vc way

You're clueless.
Weis is a very good center in europe and deserves his place.

Bruno

06-07-2006, 01:29 AM

Claude Bergeaud has announced today the pre-selection for Japan 2006. Some surprises, some players missing, but 4 or 5 names could appear from the A' team list.

Yep, but the 4 or 5 players added can also be players who don't play with the A'. Petro can still play with the french team.

Bigmen players will be Diaw/Weis/Flo. Pietrus/Mazingue or Julian/Turiaf or Petro or Mahinmi.

MannyIsGod

06-07-2006, 03:11 AM

Can Mahinmi do what Petro is diong now in the NBA?

ducks

06-07-2006, 06:15 PM

Anyone Know?

Bruno

06-07-2006, 06:22 PM

Anyone Know?

What ?

ducks

06-07-2006, 06:25 PM

Can Mahinmi do what Petro is diong now in the NBA?
?

Bruno

06-07-2006, 06:37 PM

If somebody was able to predict that, he would be by far the best GM in the nba.

Some keys to answer at that question :
- Mahinmi is one year younger than Petro.
- Mahinmi has made a better season this year in Fance than Petro last year.
- Mahinmi's body isn't ready like Petro's one was.
- Don't be wrong, Petro is a bellow average center for the moment : Rasho and Nazr are better than him.

All in all, if Mahinmi get some muscle this summer he could be as good as (or even better than) Petro but it won't likely be enough to get playtime with Spurs.
I rather see Mahinmi one more year in europe than playing garbage time in nba or playing in nbdl. The only case where I would like to see Mahinmi with a Spurs jersey next year is if he is able to be our 4th best bigmen.

Bruno

06-07-2006, 07:09 PM

And for people (picnroll) interested in Mahinmi future team for next year :
Le Mans is qualified for the french league final : if they win it, l'ASVEL won't play an european competiton next year. L'ASVEL coaching staff will change too this summer. Mahinmi with l'ASVEL next year is far from done.

picnroll

06-07-2006, 08:06 PM

I wonder if the Spurs can't find a suitable French team if they bring Mahinmi over. Pau is out. l'ASVEL, even if they qualify for European competition,without a known and acceptable coachig staff in place I can't see the Spurs placing him there.

Problem is if Mahinmi doesn't get some playing time with the Spurs, there being so little practice time in NBA seasons, I'm not sure the value of him just riding around in airplanes and sitting around in hotels all year. Guess there is the NBDL but don't know how the level of competition there is compared to European competiton.