Artest to be suspended for Game #2

[BigVee]

I'm not even disputing that it was intentional or not. I think he should be fined, but suspension is excessive.

Manu even said in the postgame that it wasn't a hard hit and it was just normal in game contact.

It is the INTENT more than the result. Just because he missed with the elbow and hit with the forearm means nothing. A couple inches another way and we have an elbow to the eye socket. He watched him come around and threw his arm out, then looked the other way deliberately. It could have been very serious. The fact that it wasn't changes nothing. One of the first times I have disagreed with the boss, but I think you are totally off on this one.

[HAHA-That'sYourTeam??]

:lol I have a test for everyone: go to your local Gold's Gym and find that guy who weighs about 260 and is all muscle (they all have one). Have him stand with his forearm out while you look to your right (as if looking for the ball) and run full speed into his forearm with the left side of your face. Try to flop it when you don't see it coming. And you even know it's coming. Then once you pick yourself up off the ground and check for loose teeth let me know.

[nkdlunch]

He probably did. Everyone in the building knew Artest was going to come out aggressive in the third quarter. The Spurs were up by 60 and the Kings were being soft. Manu knew Artest was going to get a little dirty to try to send a message to the Spurs.

Manu was hit and made it look much worse than it was.

If you don't think that's the case, you must not follow the Spurs much.


yeah, Manu probly even called Stu Jackson and lobbied on the suspension :lol

Manu can also fly and has the strenght of 10 men!!!


you guys are definitely giving too much credit to Manu. Yeah the NBA is stupid to suspend Artest, but to say that Manu's flopping has anything to do with the suspension :lmao that is funny

[HAHA-That'sYourTeam??]

:lol I have a test for everyone: go to your local Gold's Gym and find that guy who weighs about 260 and is all muscle (they all have one). Have him stand with his forearm out while you look to your right (as if looking for the ball) and run full speed into his forearm with the left side of your face. Try to flop it when you don't see it coming. And you even know it's coming. Then once you pick yourself up off the ground and check for loose teeth let me know.

Believe me, i've picked myself up and checked for loose teeth dozens of times. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

It is the INTENT more than the result. Just because he missed with the elbow and hit with the forearm means nothing. A couple inches another way and we have an elbow to the eye socket. He watched him come around and threw his arm out, then looked the other way deliberately. It could have been very serious. The fact that it wasn't changes nothing. One of the first times I have disagreed with the boss, but I think you are totally off on this one.

I agree it's about intent. I agree that it was likely intentional. I just don't think he should have been suspended. If they caught it in the game, maybe they should have ejected him. He definitely should have been fined. But I don't think he should have been suspended.

[ChumpDumper]

Manu stole Ray Allen's cell phone!

[Sec24Row7]

Kori, you need to ask pop how many games he thinks Artest would have gotten suspended for if Manu still had long hair.

:nutkick:

[bonesinaz]

Oh, just stop. Manu is a saint. All Spurs are perfect and saintly and without blemish. Any hard contact by a Spur is inadvertant; in fact, any time it happens, it's because an opponent intentionally and aggressively got his face or other body part in the way. For example, in the first quarter, Artest hit Manu's elbow with his lip. That savage act alone should have gotten Artest thrown out of the league. But nooooooo, the rigged anti-Spurs NBA calls a foul on Manu!

Artest's forearm is just as bad as a punch. No, it's just as bad as attempted murder. It's the most outrageous act I've ever seen. And you know as well as I do that Spurs fans never exaggerate. It's worse than Kermit Washington. Manu could have been decapitated!

And how dare you say Manu flops? Manu is intrinsically incapable of deceit. The Spurs uniform washes away all sin and makes players holy. I've seen cases where players were able to manipulate air pressure to cause Manu to flail wildly without actually touching him. Clearly that shows the NBA has a problem with players dabbling in the occult. It does NOT mean Manu flops. It means that the Spurs are on the side of Jesus, and the opponents worship Satan.

It's a sign of the anti-Spurs conspiracy that Artest was only suspended one game. If the NBA were fair, they would just call off the NBA playoffs and crown the Spurs NBA champions. Even that's not enough. In addition, the Kings should have to subsidize it so Southside fans can go to Spurs games for $5 and get free beer. Anything less is proof of the conspiracy.
:lol :lol :lol :lol

[cheguevara]

you guys are definitely giving too much credit to Manu. Yeah the NBA is stupid to suspend Artest, but to say that Manu's flopping has anything to do with the suspension :lmao that is funny


BINGO


why is the flopping even being mentioned? yeah we know Manu flops so what? this has nothing to do w/it. I'm sure the NBA just said: Artest again? fuck him lets suspend him before he really hurts someone.

[timvp]

Spurs fans can be such homers. There was a thread up for twelve (12) hours before the announcement was made about Artest possibly being punished for the elbow/forearm/wrist attack on Manu, and a GRAND TOTAL of one (1) Spurs fan went in there and said Artest should be suspended.

Now, all of a sudden, there are dozens of Spurs fans saying Artest should have been suspended. Where have you been? It took the league to do something before you could rush in and homer out and say it was the right call?

Classic.

[cheguevara]

I don't think anyone agreed w/the suspension. not me. the NBA is just trying to be strict that's all

and it's obvious Stern hates Artest's guts.

[HAHA-That'sYourTeam??]

BINGO


why is the flopping even being mentioned? yeah we know Manu flops so what? this has nothing to do w/it. I'm sure the NBA just said: Artest again? fuck him lets suspend him before he really hurts someone.

I dont know. Someone brought it up. I agree it doesnt have anything to do with the suspension. I'm just saying that Manu wishes he could have flopped that one. Because if you flop you aren't taking a full on hit, and it seemed like he took a nice hit. I know he said it wasnt that hard, but that is TV talk. It was a good shot, and Manu is one tough SOB.

[batman2883]

Spurs fans can be such homers. There was a thread up for twelve (12) hours before the announcement was made about Artest possibly being punished for the elbow/forearm/wrist attack on Manu, and a GRAND TOTAL of one (1) Spurs fan went in there and said Artest should be suspended.

Now, all of a sudden, there are dozens of Spurs fans saying Artest should have been suspended. Where have you been? It took the league to do something before you could rush in and homer out and say it was the right call?

Classic.
ARTEST SHOULD BE SUSPENDED!!

[polandprzem]

Spurs fans can be such homers. There was a thread up for twelve (12) hours before the announcement was made about Artest possibly being punished for the elbow/forearm/wrist attack on Manu, and a GRAND TOTAL of one (1) Spurs fan went in there and said Artest should be suspended.

Now, all of a sudden, there are dozens of Spurs fans saying Artest should have been suspended. Where have you been? It took the league to do something before you could rush in and homer out and say it was the right call?

Classic.

What?

Count them

[SA210]

The suspension was warranted. He was obviously out there trying to hurt players. It's not like he tried to set a pick or even a little push on Manu.

Ron saw Manu coming and threw his arm out there to hurt him. Manu flopping doesn't take away from the fact that Ron was trying to hurt him above the shoulders, yes in the "Head" area, intentionally. This is after his year long suspension for violence. If you get suspended for an entire season for violence, it's a big deal, and he came and disregarded that whole suspension and warning to all, by taking a cheap shot at Manu that could have been devestating. It could have been his nose, his eye socket, throat, temple, take a pick.

And Manu is always humble and respectful, of course he's not going to say something derogatory about him. It's not in his character to do so.

Suspension justified.

[vanvannen]

I wish Manu wasn't such a flopper. :depressed
That way, we wouldn't be discussing whether he flopped, he exaggerated or he really was hit hard, but we would be talking only about the cheap INTENTIONAL shot Artest gave him. The bottom line is that Artest is a thug, and he deserves the special treatment by the league.

[infinite styles]

Fines are pointless to millionaires. All they're good for are the charities that recieve them after the NBA collects them. Why do you players still get T'd up if they know that they will be fined. Anyways do I want the Spurs to play team that doesn't have their best player...NO! I don't want any excuses, but I also don't want to see a player on my favorite team to go down cause some nutcase has a problem with losing. There are few things in the league that are gauranteed...Manu flopping, Artest doing/saying something retarted, Pistons begging for respect and Stern playing God. Will he come out on Friday and try something else probably but it would most likely be the last time he ever does in an NBA uniform.

[cheguevara]

I dont know. Someone brought it up. I agree it doesnt have anything to do with the suspension. I'm just saying that Manu wishes he could have flopped that one. Because if you flop you aren't taking a full on hit, and it seemed like he took a nice hit. I know he said it wasnt that hard, but that is TV talk. It was a good shot, and Manu is one tough SOB.

exaclty. Manu doesn't act like a bitch like Ray Allen and call to complain or even complain to the media. He didn't even want to comment on the hit. So I don't understand why Spur fans are even mentioning Manu's flopping like it had ANYTHING to do with the suspension.

[ducks]

BOUTONS called for it immedialtly

[cheguevara]

What?

Count them

timvp exagerates a little

[Pero]

Hey Batman, who are all the chicks in your sig? Except for Alba and Shakira (I think).

[timvp]

BOUTONS called for it immedialtly

Yep. That was it.

Where were all these other Spurs fans?

[Sec24Row7]

I honestly didn't think much of the play until i watched the tape a few times.

There you can distinctly tell that the elbow was premeditated.

That's just the fine for an intentional elbow to the head.

As crazy as the BS is that Stu Jackson hands down, I'm certainly not going to Cry for Artest.

I would have thought he was a crazy loose cannon had he not tried to decapitate anyone THIS game.

But honestly here, what do DESERVE and PUNISHMENT by Stu Jackson really have in common?

Artest gets suspended a game for an intentional elbow to the head.

Timmy gets suspended a game for Jack Nies being a dipshit.

Yeah, I'm not really that upset about the Artest suspension.

[spurster]

The league should have fined Artest, and then don't let him get away with anything the rest of the series. From the video, you can see what you want to see. Maybe the League was as tired as I was about all pregame hype on Artest and how he improved the Kings to an elite team, blah, blah.

[batman2883]

some girl from girls gone wild showing her buttocks and some girl from univision but the alba and shakira ones are the best of course....the swimming ones are jessica alba, as well in case you didnt know

[ducks]

qhote timvp
Spurs fans can be such homers. There was a thread up for twelve (12) hours before the announcement was made about Artest possibly being punished for the elbow/forearm/wrist attack on Manu, and a GRAND TOTAL of one (1) Spurs fan went in there and said Artest should be suspended.



I was asleep I had to go to work this morning sorry

[PM5K]

Yep. That was it.

Where were all these other Spurs fans?

I didn't bother to read the thread, but I saw it and replayed it a few times when I saw it because I knew it was intentional, and I knew he'd be suspended if they reviewed it.

They never reviewed that Alston/Duncan one so I wasn't sure but I knew if they did he'd be suspended...

[timvp]

I didn't bother to read the thread, but I saw it and replayed it a few times when I saw it because I knew it was intentional, and I knew he'd be suspended if they reviewed it.

Link?

[ChumpDumper]

I pretty much assumed he's be fined when I saw it was being reviewed - but after reading the rules I can see why the suspension happened. Dude has to miss game time, the NBA can't go back to game 1 and can't make him miss only part of a game.

[infinite styles]

Spurs fans can be such homers. There was a thread up for twelve (12) hours before the announcement was made about Artest possibly being punished for the elbow/forearm/wrist attack on Manu, and a GRAND TOTAL of one (1) Spurs fan went in there and said Artest should be suspended.

Now, all of a sudden, there are dozens of Spurs fans saying Artest should have been suspended. Where have you been? It took the league to do something before you could rush in and homer out and say it was the right call?

Classic.

I was at Medina Lake yelling at the TV to hurry up and take him out of the game before one of those bad boys really connects. :madrun :drunk

[BigVee]

Yep. That was it.

Where were all these other Spurs fans?

I said I was surprised by the suspension, but didn't necessarily disagree. I would not have suspended him, but clearly understand why the league did. And I am certainly not going to feel sorry for a guy who took SEVERAL other cheap shots during the game, nor apologize to his fans.

[Pero]

some girl from girls gone wild showing her buttocks and some girl from univision but the alba and shakira ones are the best of course....the swimming ones are jessica alba, as well in case you didnt know

Really??? :smokin

[Scobe]

Spurs fans can be such homers. There was a thread up for twelve (12) hours before the announcement was made about Artest possibly being punished for the elbow/forearm/wrist attack on Manu, and a GRAND TOTAL of one (1) Spurs fan went in there and said Artest should be suspended.

Now, all of a sudden, there are dozens of Spurs fans saying Artest should have been suspended. Where have you been? It took the league to do something before you could rush in and homer out and say it was the right call?

Classic.

I wish we worked in the same place. Then I'd jack you in the jaw and ask you if you think I should be suspended.

[ducks]

if you read the rules
since the refs missed in the game then it is a no brainer he got suspened

[Spurzilla]

This is so ridiculous...I know the Spurs need help if they are going to repeat as champions but it was Ginobili who threw an elbow at Artest & caused Artest to get stitches! You have to wonder if the NBA office even sees these games! Poor Kings! :depressed


:rolleyes :violin :flypig :cry :baby :sleep :violin :rolleyes

Artest was trying to steal the ball from Manu when he got hit in the mouth. Incidental contact happens when you try to steal the ball and you are lunging forward with your hand, arm, shoulder and FACE.

When Artest hit Manu.... where was the ball? Who had it???? Anyone???

Get it?

[Kori Ellis]

if you read the rules
since the refs missed in the game then it is a no brainer he got suspened

The rules doesn't say anything about him being suspended in this circumstance.

[SA210]

I didn't know you had to be a homer to use eyes to see Artest take a deliberate cheap shot to someone above the shoulders to intentionally hurt him, especially after a 1 year suspension for violence. Thanks for the tip.

[wildbill2u]

Just heard on Jim Rome that the league has suspended Ron Artest (without pay) for his flagrant foul on Manu Ginobili. Don't yet have a link on the official word.

Rome stated he just received an email from the NBA office confirming the suspension.

Damn, Sacramento ought to appeal and then have the league rule him ineligible for game THREE in Sacramento. We'd have a home court advantage for game two in any case and should win it. But with their best player out in game 3, they'd be so far down that the series would be all but over.

Never give a sucker an even break. :madrun

This will only make them stronger for the remaining games.

[2centsworth]

I agree it's about intent. I agree that it was likely intentional. I just don't think he should have been suspended. If they caught it in the game, maybe they should have ejected him. He definitely should have been fined. But I don't think he should have been suspended.
I agree if we're talking about any other player, but Artest is different. I would have been fine with a fine, but the more I think about it I would probably suspend Artest if he looked at someone wrong. The guy put himself in a position where he needs to be a saint, at least for more than a few weeks.

[CharlieMac]

Don't Worry! It's just a small bump in the road for us!

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7867/ronartest5uy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

God damn that was great.

Anyway, it's a weak suspension, but I get that Stu is trying to send a message that elbows and throwing shit at refs wont be tolerated.

[pache100]

Pretty weak by the NBA.

They should have just fined him.

Get prepared to be told how wrong you are and that you think Artest is a saint and that you shouldn't have an opinion because you are a woman. And probably that you are not watching the games, too.

:blah :)

[timvp]

After watching the replay again, you can see a series of flops by Manu. He runs into Brad Miller and then flops. He tries to get around him, flops again. Then Manu hooks Brad Miller (a foul). And then Manu gets hit and flops again.

Props to Manu :tu

[cheguevara]

yup Manu's flops were the reason Artest got suspended :rolleyes

[SA210]

Only thing is, they didn't try and throw their arm out to intentionally hurt him above the shoulders.

[efrem1]

With Artest out, this should be a banker win tomorrow. Don't blow it guys!!!

[timvp]

How was Brad Miller not suspended?

I am up in arms.

:rollin

[ducks]

manu flopped a little on the play
but the elbow got him you can tell
he got what he deserved






does anyone know if the spurs sent in the tape or if the nba did this all on it own

[Kori Ellis]

manu flopped a little on the play
but the elbow got him you can tell
he got what he deserved






does anyone know if the spurs sent in the tape or if the nba did this all on it own

You mean forearm, not elbow, right?

[SA210]

Homer = Artest should be suspended for trying to take out player after a year long suspension for violence.

[CharlieMac]

Ron is really gonna throw an elbow in game 4 if the spurs are up 3-0.

[Pero]

After watching the replay again, you can see a series of flops by Manu. He runs into Brad Miller and then flops. He tries to get around him, flops again. Then Manu hooks Brad Miller (a foul). And then Manu gets hit and flops again.

Props to Manu

I doubt that Manu flopped when Artest hit him. Everyone would do the same thing if they got hit by Artests forearm while running.

[wildbill2u]

You Spursies are such Homers...You see everything through Silver & Black lenses...Even Coach Pop knows that this suspension is ridiculous, Artest gets stitches & “HE” gets a suspension? HOW FAIR IS THAT? :depressed

BTW- Ailene Voisin is one of the finest sports writers in America...She is objective & yes she is HOT! :smokin
http://www.sacbee.com/static/images/columnists/voisin_new.jpg

Only in Sacramento would that woman(?) be called HOT.

In San Antonio we'd tell her to bite the edge of the beer can and open it with that pointed nose.

[Kori Ellis]

Ron is really gonna throw an elbow in game 4 if the spurs are up 3-0.

Agreed. If that's the circumstance (3-0) that game will be called very tight.

[Kori Ellis]

Only in Sacramento would that woman(?) be called HOT.

In San Antonio we'd tell her to bite the edge of the beer can and open it with that pointed nose.

She reminds me of Howard Stern.

[SA210]

I doubt that Manu flopped when Artest hit him. Everyone would do the same thing if they got hit by Artests forearm while running.
Yea, I agree. I guess Manu should have stood still. Damn it Manu, stay still when you really get hit.

[Scobe]

Get prepared to be told how wrong you are and that you think Artest is a saint and that you shouldn't have an opinion because you are a woman. And probably that you are not watching the games, too.

:blah :)

What are you all talking about? Artest is a saint. Sure he has clobbered a few people along the way, but who hasn't? I mean the guy already got robbed of a season last year because he went and beat a man who totally deserved it. That guy may not have thrown the beer at Artest, but he was sitting next to the guy who did! That deserves a world class beat down in my book. Ronny is just a poor, misunderstood inner city youth who tries too hard to be perfect, so he makes mistakes. But who among us hasn't gone to work and assaulted a customer before? Or one of our co-workers? We know we all have done it and were promoted for our efforts, and Ron should be too. He should be named MVP and given the title of "head of basketball operations" for the Kings. He saw that Ginobili had a mosquito on his face and was just trying to get it off. Those little red bumps can be nasty afterall, especially on the face. So to Ron I say... Congratulations. You are an upstanding youth and a role model for other inner city kids. And now you are a basketball martyr. :lol :lol :lol

[ducks]

You mean forearm, not elbow, right?
yes forearm not that it matters much artest should not even be in the nba

[SpursWoman]

What are you all talking about? Artest is a saint. Sure he has clobbered a few people along the way, but who hasn't? I mean the guy already got robbed of a season last year because he went and beat a man who totally deserved it. That guy may not have thrown the beer at Artest, but he was sitting next to the guy who did! That deserves a world class beat down in my book. Ronny is just a poor, misunderstood inner city youth who tries too hard to be perfect, so he makes mistakes. But who among us hasn't gone to work and assaulted a customer before? Or one of our co-workers? We know we all have done it and were promoted for our efforts, and Ron should be too. He should be named MVP and given the title of "head of basketball operations" for the Kings. He saw that Ginobili had a mosquito on his face and was just trying to get it off. Those little red bumps can be nasty afterall, especially on the face. So to Ron I say... Congratulations. You are an upstanding youth and a role model for other inner city kids. And now you are a basketball martyr. :lol :lol :lol


Homer. :fro

[RON ARTEST]

Only in Sacramento would that woman(?) be called HOT.

In San Antonio we'd tell her to bite the edge of the beer can and open it with that pointed nose.
i hope he was just kidding. i have always hated that bitch for her non stop negative writing about C-webb and adelman. she always found a way to make the article about them. if the kings dont get a new arena she will probably find a way to blame them. :rolleyes

[cheguevara]

Yea, I agree. I guess Manu should have stood still. Damn it Manu, stay still when you really get hit.

:lol


really. who the fuck knows what we do when you got a 240pound's forearm coming to you. Flopping might be the thing that saves your life

[SA210]

What are you all talking about? Artest is a saint. Sure he has clobbered a few people along the way, but who hasn't? I mean the guy already got robbed of a season last year because he went and beat a man who totally deserved it. That guy may not have thrown the beer at Artest, but he was sitting next to the guy who did! That deserves a world class beat down in my book. Ronny is just a poor, misunderstood inner city youth who tries too hard to be perfect, so he makes mistakes. But who among us hasn't gone to work and assaulted a customer before? Or one of our co-workers? We know we all have done it and were promoted for our efforts, and Ron should be too. He should be named MVP and given the title of "head of basketball operations" for the Kings. He saw that Ginobili had a mosquito on his face and was just trying to get it off. Those little red bumps can be nasty afterall, especially on the face. So to Ron I say... Congratulations. You are an upstanding youth and a role model for other inner city kids. And now you are a basketball martyr. :lol :lol :lol
:lmao Post of the day.

[timvp]

http://spurstalk.com/bradmillerheart.jpg

How was Brad Miller not suspended? He is obviously trying to rip Manu's heart out of his chest cavity! At the same time, he's punching Manu right in the spine. OMG he's also using his upper leg to hold back Manu's other arm.

All Manu was trying to do was play some basketball and Brad Miller had to go Temple of Doom on him :depressed

[Scobe]

Homer. :fro

Simpson.

[cheguevara]

What are you all talking about? Artest is a saint. Sure he has clobbered a few people along the way, but who hasn't? I mean the guy already got robbed of a season last year because he went and beat a man who totally deserved it. That guy may not have thrown the beer at Artest, but he was sitting next to the guy who did! That deserves a world class beat down in my book. Ronny is just a poor, misunderstood inner city youth who tries too hard to be perfect, so he makes mistakes. But who among us hasn't gone to work and assaulted a customer before? Or one of our co-workers? We know we all have done it and were promoted for our efforts, and Ron should be too. He should be named MVP and given the title of "head of basketball operations" for the Kings. He saw that Ginobili had a mosquito on his face and was just trying to get it off. Those little red bumps can be nasty afterall, especially on the face. So to Ron I say... Congratulations. You are an upstanding youth and a role model for other inner city kids. And now you are a basketball martyr.

CLASSIC!!!! :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone in this thread is full of shit bagging on this writer looking like Howard Stern.

Shame on you.














It's obviously Robin Gibb.

http://www.ez.atfreeweb.com/beegees/biograf/rgibb.jpg

[Pero]

How was Brad Miller not suspended? He is obviously trying to rip Manu's heart out of his chest cavity! At the same time, he's punching Manu right in the spine. OMG he's also using his upper leg to hold back Manu's other arm.

All Manu was trying to do was play some basketball and Brad Miller had to go Temple of Doom on him

Hilarious :lol

[RON ARTEST]

i have to say manu is the best flopper of all time. :lol i thought vlade and fisher were good but damn he is fantastic in the way he does it. he flopped twice in the same fucking play!

[SA210]

http://spurstalk.com/bradmillerheart.jpg



How was Brad Miller not suspended? He is obviously trying to rip Manu's heart out of his chest cavity! At the same time, he's punching Manu right in the spine. OMG he's also using his upper leg to hold back Manu's other arm.

All Manu was trying to do was play some basketball and Brad Miller had to go Temple of Doom on him :depressed
I think Duncan's violent altercation with the ref when he got suspended was way worse.

[cheguevara]

yup and Artest fell right on his trap!!!

[Pero]

yup and Artest fell right on his trap!!!

Yeah right. If that wasn`t an intentional strike, I don`t know what is.

[SpursWoman]

Everyone in this thread is full of shit bagging on this writer looking like Howard Stern.

Shame on you.














It's obviously Robin Gibb.

http://www.ez.atfreeweb.com/beegees/biograf/rgibb.jpg


:lmao

[SA210]

i have to say manu is the best flopper of all time. :lol i thought vlade and fisher were good but damn he is fantastic in the way he does it. he flopped twice in the same fucking play!
Would you have preferred for Manu to stay still as he got hit in the face?

I would have to say Artest is a great flop creator if that's the case. When he went after that fan in Detroit, that fan was flopping all crazy.

Shame on that fan. Flopper.

[Scobe]

http://spurstalk.com/bradmillerheart.jpg

How was Brad Miller not suspended? He is obviously trying to rip Manu's heart out of his chest cavity! At the same time, he's punching Manu right in the spine. OMG he's also using his upper leg to hold back Manu's other arm.

All Manu was trying to do was play some basketball and Brad Miller had to go Temple of Doom on him :depressed

This is clearly NOT a Manu flop. This is a case of Manu helping his fellow man out. Manu noticed that Brad was uncomfortable and obviously had an itch on his ass. So being the upstanding Argentinian he is (and a gold medal one at that) he was clearly trying to scratch Brad's itch. Just another case of nation helping nation.

[Pero]

I would have to say Artest is a great flop creator if that's the case. When he went after that fan in Detroit, that fan was foppin all crazy.

Shame on that fan. Flopper.

:lol Oh come on, that fan wasn`t flopping, he was probably just drunk and it just looked like Artest has something to do with it. :)

[nkdlunch]

Oh Manu king of flops we salute you!!!

We wish all Spurs players were as good as you then the NBA would have suspended all Kings starters and due to lack of players the Malouf brothers would have had to suit their fat asses up for game 2.

[ducks]

it is too bad it happened period
I would have been ok with a fine I do not think it was to excessive
I think if it was 2 games instead of one it would have been

[RON ARTEST]

Would you have preferred for Manu to stay still as he got hit in the face?

I would have to say Artest is a great flop creator if that's the case. When he went after that fan in Detroit, that fan was foppin all crazy.

Shame on that fan. Flopper.
like thats the only play manu flopped on. :lol no i dont expect him to stay still but the way he threw his arms in the air and flew back you would think he just got shot in a driveby in compton for god sake. and then once the ref blew his whistle all of a sudden he was fine. can you explain that shit? i doubt it very seriously.

[Kori Ellis]

Well, hopefully the Spurs keep their focus and don't "relax" because Artest is out tomorrow.

[SA210]

like thats the only play manu flopped on. :lol no i dont expect him to stay still but the way he threw his arms in the air and flew back you would think he just got shot in a driveby in compton for god sake. and then once the ref blew his whistle all of a sudden he was fine. can you explain that shit? i doubt it very seriously.
Oh, so Ron didn't take a cheap shot to take him out?

My bad, and that brawl in Detriot never happened either. I say the entire brawl was actually a crowd all flopping at the same time.

Who knew?

[RON ARTEST]

This is clearly NOT a Manu flop. This is a case of Manu helping his fellow man out. Manu noticed that Brad was uncomfortable and obviously had an itch on his ass. So being the upstanding Argentinian he is (and a gold medal one at that) he was clearly trying to scratch Brad's itch. Just another case of nation helping nation.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol thats exactly what the fuck im talking about! he flops for no fucking reason sometimes my god what is his fucking problem? :lol

[NASpurs]

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8704/screen13xk.jpg

Guess Tony's head doesn't matter much

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/3451/screen29lj.jpg

Tim's neither http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

[RON ARTEST]

Well, hopefully the Spurs keep their focus and don't "relax" because Artest is out tomorrow.
i think they might just a little. dont unerestimate bonzis craziness either. he can throw elbows from time to time also. but anyway i think that nazr three, artest suspension that wasnt fair, and the fact that they got thier asses handed to them will make them play the hardest they have played in a long time and im looking forward to it.

[nkdlunch]

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8704/screen13xk.jpg

Guess Tony's head doesn't matter much



I can see tony flopping a little!!!! Manu is rubbing off on him!!!

[Kori Ellis]

We know all about Bonzi too. Remember the Bonzi-Ferry spitting incident.

[RON ARTEST]

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8704/screen13xk.jpg

Guess Tony's head doesn't matter much

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/3451/screen29lj.jpg

Tim's neither http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif
the one on duncan for sure wasnt on prpose dont get carried away dumbass. they were battling for a rebound. that one isnt even up for a debate. you wasted your fucking time with your little pictures.

[SA210]

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8704/screen13xk.jpg

Guess Tony's head doesn't matter much

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/3451/screen29lj.jpg

Tim's neither http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif
:lmao

HOMER!

Don't you see this doesn't count, because Manu was probably somewhere on the court flopping at that same time?

[RON ARTEST]

We know all about Bonzi too. Remember the Bonzi-Ferry spitting incident.
yeah i do. but bonzi and artest havent really done anything at all this season since they been here. it must be in the water.

[NASpurs]

the one on duncan for sure wasnt on prpose dont get carried away dumbass. they were battling for a rebound. that one isnt even up for a debate. you wasted your fucking time with your little pictures.hahaha what a fucking homer

Who the hell comes down with their elbows towards another player's face? Oh yeah Karl Malone and we all know how much of a saint he was. GTFO idiot

[RON ARTEST]

:lmao

HOMER!

Don't you see this doesn't count, because Manu was probably somewhere on the court flopping at that same time?
artest was in the fucking air! what the fuck is he supposed to do. he didnt do that on purpose so calm your panties.

[sa_butta]

Could you imagine Rodman and Artest in the same game that would be fun?

[Spurologist]

This is complete BS. Since Artest is suspended, Haslem should be given one as well. I don't think Artest's act was any worse than Haslem's. In fact, Haslem's might be worse. You can't throw shit at an official. Artest would probably be suspended if he did what Artest did.

[nkdlunch]

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/3451/screen29lj.jpg

:lol god damn Artest is a fucking nutcase.

[Scobe]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol thats exactly what the fuck im talking about! he flops for no fucking reason sometimes my god what is his fucking problem? :lol

Thank you Ron for clarifying. In case you haven't read it I have included a nice piece on you earlier in this forum that is due for the 4/25 issue of the New York Times. To answer your question Mr. Artest - Manu's problem is that he is just too kind. He isn't trying to flop, just trying to help people out and the referees are blowing the whistles. I know many times he sees a player in the open court about to fall and he selflessly throws himself in front of the player to cushion his fall. It's not his fault the referee takes the player's ball away and gives it to the Spurs. I have spoken to Manu and personally know he feels bad about it. Sometimes he also notices a puddle of accumulated sweat on the floor and in his "all out" Argentinian way he throws himself on the ground to soak up the sweat with his jersey. What a Guy!!! It's not his fault that the opposing players get called for these fouls. After all Ron, you don't want to be stepping on sweat puddles and doing the splits. That could hurt your fellas and no one would be happy about that. So Mr. Artest, in conclusion I believe you should thank Manu for all his hard work in helping his fellow man. :spin

[nkdlunch]

Could you imagine Rodman and Artest in the same game that would be fun?

nah, Artest and Oakley

Oakley would eat him alive

[ChumpDumper]

This is complete BS. Since Artest is suspended, Haslem should be given one as well. I don't think Artest's act was any worse than Haslem's. In fact, Haslem's might be worse. You can't throw shit at an official. Artest would probably be suspended if he did what Artest did.Haslem was suspended one game too.

[Kori Ellis]

This is complete BS. Since Artest is suspended, Haslem should be given one as well. I don't think Artest's act was any worse than Haslem's. In fact, Haslem's might be worse. You can't throw shit at an official. Artest would probably be suspended if he did what Artest did.

Haslem was suspended too.

[sa_butta]

This is complete BS. Since Artest is suspended, Haslem should be given one as well. I don't think Artest's act was any worse than Haslem's. In fact, Haslem's might be worse. You can't throw shit at an official. Artest would probably be suspended if he did what Artest did.Where have you been?

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/14417478.htm

he is suspended.

[SA210]

Haslem was suspended one game too.
Wow, Manu's flopping had a great impact.

[Spurologist]

Where have you been?

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/14417478.htm

he is suspended.

:lol Since the spurs game, I have been studying non stop for my brutal final.

[sa_butta]

Wow, Manu's flopping had a great impact.Vlade Divac was the master at this art

[sa_butta]

:lol Since the spurs game, I have been studying non stop for my brutal final.I see, well good luck man.

[nkdlunch]

:lol Since the spurs game, I have been studying non stop for my brutal final.

damn, a final in spurology??

make sure you study chapter 7, Flopping by professor Manu

[SA210]

damn, a final in spurology??

make sure you study chapter 7, Flopping by professor Manu
No, He might get suspended.

[ducks]

man stern is trying to help the spurs
a small market team wow this should do well for the people that beleive in consiracies

[nkdlunch]

^ :lmao ducks u are a trip!

[RON ARTEST]

Wow, Manu's flopping had a great impact.it usually does.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

I'm a total Manu homer, however, I'm going to say that the suspension was wrong.

Did Artest try to elbow Manu intentionally? Did Manu flop?

Who cares?

What happened in the court should remain in the court. If the refs missed the incident, then Stu Jackson or whoever decides this fines and suspensions shouldn't have a say in this.

Who is Stu Jackson to say who deserves a suspension, who deserves a ban and who doesn't? How is he more qualified than the NBA refs? The NBA refs might not be fans favourites, but generally they do a good job, and if they missed the foul, that's it, they just missed it. Move on to the next game.

If the league keeps suspending players with video replays, then crybabies like Ray Allen would have spoiled this sport. Even Pop and Manu said that it wasn't that much when they talked to the press.

[nkdlunch]

^ nope, the NBA has a right to review plays and if a suspension is necessary they have the right to give it. I'm not agreeing with this call, but they have the right to do whatever they want and noone can question them.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

^ nope, the NBA has a right to review plays and if a suspension is necessary they have the right to give it. I'm not agreeing with this call, but they have the right to do whatever they want and noone can question them.

I don't agree with that. How does an asshole, dressed in a suit, watching a tape in an office, has the power to decide players suspensions and fines? How can only one person make those decissions? Shouldn't there be a comitee composed of ex-refs or ex-players to make those kind of decissions?

[ChumpDumper]

Who is Stu Jackson to say who deserves a suspension, who deserves a ban and who doesn't?The Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations.

[Vashner]

Hey that thing about Pop Benching Nazr is a fake right? LOL.

[Mixability]

The Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations.

Yeah and what? :lmao

[Scobe]

Hey that thing about Pop Benching Nazr is a fake right? LOL.
NO!!! Not Nazr!!! He was such a good boy...

[redman]

The problem is, we will NEVER really know what the true outcome of this series would have been if the league had stayed out of it. Now, they've decided who the winners are. Sac can forever claim that they could have won. Artest has already served his "time" and they should not be using him as an example. I rewatched the tape several times, and Ginobili clearly set the tone within the first few seconds by splitting open Artest's lip. It looks just as intentional as Ron's foul. The refs. didn't catch it, move on to game 2! But now, the Spurs will never win this cleanly. The league stepped in to help them. I wish they would just let them play the ^%# game! I saw much, much more physical shots in other games this weekend. the exchange between Battier and Stackhouse was ridiculous. Tim D. had an elbow in Artest from behind. It happens all the time, and IF you play every play slow-motion, the league could or should suspend them ALL!!!

[ALVAREZ6]

http://cctvimedia.clearchannel.com/woai/artestelbowmanu160.jpg

Don't tell me that shit is natural.



FUCK YOU ARTEST, GO DIE ALREADY.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The problem is, we will NEVER really know what the true outcome of this series would have been if the league had stayed out of it. Now, they've decided who the winners are. Sac can forever claim that they could have won. Artest has already served his "time" and they should not be using him as an example. I rewatched the tape several times, and Ginobili clearly set the tone within the first few seconds by splitting open Artest's lip. It looks just as intentional as Ron's foul. The refs. didn't catch it, move on to game 2! But now, the Spurs will never win this cleanly. The league stepped in to help them. I wish they would just let them play the ^%# game! I saw much, much more physical shots in other games this weekend. the exchange between Battier and Stackhouse was ridiculous. Tim D. had an elbow in Artest from behind. It happens all the time, and IF you play every play slow-motion, the league could or should suspend them ALL!!!

Totally man. The Spurs aren't good, just lucky...

[ducks]

The problem is, we will NEVER really know what the true outcome of this series would have been if the league had stayed out of it. Now, they've decided who the winners are. Sac can forever claim that they could have won. Artest has already served his "time" and they should not be using him as an example. I rewatched the tape several times, and Ginobili clearly set the tone within the first few seconds by splitting open Artest's lip. It looks just as intentional as Ron's foul. The refs. didn't catch it, move on to game 2! But now, the Spurs will never win this cleanly. The league stepped in to help them. I wish they would just let them play the ^%# game! I saw much, much more physical shots in other games this weekend. the exchange between Battier and Stackhouse was ridiculous. Tim D. had an elbow in Artest from behind. It happens all the time, and IF you play every play slow-motion, the league could or should suspend them ALL!!!


are you blind?

[atxrocker]

this is complete fucking bullshit. stern and the rest of the nba should burn in hell for this. what a crop of shit. manu is a piece of shit. his dirty move was never under review was it? goddamn, im so sick of the league playing favorites. fuck MANUre.

[ducks]

this is complete fucking bullshit. stern and the rest of the nba should burn in hell for this. what a crop of shit. manu is a piece of shit. his dirty move was never under review was it? goddamn, im so sick of the league playing favorites. fuck MANUre.
nice language :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[ALVAREZ6]

The problem is, we will NEVER really know what the true outcome of this series would have been if the league had stayed out of it. Now, they've decided who the winners are. Sac can forever claim that they could have won. Artest has already served his "time" and they should not be using him as an example. I rewatched the tape several times, and Ginobili clearly set the tone within the first few seconds by splitting open Artest's lip. It looks just as intentional as Ron's foul. The refs. didn't catch it, move on to game 2! But now, the Spurs will never win this cleanly. The league stepped in to help them. I wish they would just let them play the ^%# game! I saw much, much more physical shots in other games this weekend. the exchange between Battier and Stackhouse was ridiculous. Tim D. had an elbow in Artest from behind. It happens all the time, and IF you play every play slow-motion, the league could or should suspend them ALL!!!
.....



best post ever.

[Scobe]

this is complete fucking bullshit. stern and the rest of the nba should burn in hell for this. what a crop of shit. manu is a piece of shit. his dirty move was never under review was it? goddamn, im so sick of the league playing favorites. fuck MANUre.

HOMER!!! HOMER!!! HOMER!!!

Are your glasses purple? Do you wake up with nightmares of Robert Horry? Do you bitch incessantly about games that you never had a chance of winning? If so, you might be a KING'S HOMER!!!!

This is a pre-recorded message. Will the King's homers please step outside for their regularly scheduled beatings. Thank you.

[Vashner]

Let's just hope Artest keeps his trap shut so we can prove him wrong again on the Kings home court. All it would take is one TV meltdown to get him suspended for the whole playoffs.

[Pero]

The problem is, we will NEVER really know what the true outcome of this series would have been if the league had stayed out of it. Now, they've decided who the winners are. Sac can forever claim that they could have won. Artest has already served his "time" and they should not be using him as an example. I rewatched the tape several times, and Ginobili clearly set the tone within the first few seconds by splitting open Artest's lip. It looks just as intentional as Ron's foul. The refs. didn't catch it, move on to game 2! But now, the Spurs will never win this cleanly. The league stepped in to help them. I wish they would just let them play the ^%# game! I saw much, much more physical shots in other games this weekend. the exchange between Battier and Stackhouse was ridiculous. Tim D. had an elbow in Artest from behind. It happens all the time, and IF you play every play slow-motion, the league could or should suspend them ALL!!!

this is complete fucking bullshit. stern and the rest of the nba should burn in hell for this. what a crop of shit. manu is a piece of shit. his dirty move was never under review was it? goddamn, im so sick of the league playing favorites. fuck MANUre.

This is completely fucking hilarious. And I don`t think anyone will claim anything after getting blown out by 34 with Artest playing.

[Spurologist]

damn, a final in spurology??

make sure you study chapter 7, Flopping by professor Manu

I was done with that chapter long ago. I got professional lessons from this man. Some of it was done against the spurs.

http://www.oldmencrying.com/images/Vladecrying.jpeg

The reaction is always key, even if it means crying like a bitch. Flopping 101

[SA210]

Why can't Artest and all his different personalities just get along?

[ALVAREZ6]

this is complete fucking bullshit. stern and the rest of the nba should burn in hell for this. what a crop of shit. manu is a piece of shit. his dirty move was never under review was it? goddamn, im so sick of the league playing favorites. fuck MANUre.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

Sucks to be a Kings fan, there is absolutely NO HOPE, don't even bother watching.

That is Ron Artest's fault for being a fucking ass, he created all of this throughout his career. Even before the Detroit brawl, he was a fucking punk all along.

I don't remember anyone other than Ron fucking Artest tackling someone to the ground as if they were holding a football rather than dribbling a basketball, and yes, it looked just like it. Not an arm tackle or a shove to the ground, he tackled Eric Snow while he was dribbling...before he even reached half court!!!

What a fucking idiot.


Ron Artest deserves this, he needs to be banned, he will never change. I don't mind contact or violence, but it has to be used in the right place. Artest obviously went into the wrong sport, he could have been a football player, boxer, wrestler...whatever.


During game 4, I expect Artest to try and kill another player. That's just how retarded and crazy this guy is.

[SA210]

Not an arm tackle or a shove to the ground, he tackled Eric Snow while he was dribbling...before he even reached half court!!!
I'm sure Eric Snow probably flopped on that one.

[Vashner]

LOL he can't even spell Warrior

http://www.truwarier.com/ra.html

[Scobe]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Sucks to be a Kings fan, there is absolutely NO HOPE, don't even bother watching.

That is Ron Artest's fault for being a fucking ass, he created all of this throughout his career. Even before the Detroit brawl, he was a fucking punk all along.

I don't remember anyone other than Ron fucking Artest tackling someone to the ground as if they were holding a football rather than dribbling a basketball, and yes, it looked just like it. Not an arm tackle or a shove to the ground, he tackled Eric Snow while he was dribbling...before he even reached half court!!!

What a fucking idiot.


Ron Artest deserves this, he needs to be banned, he will never change. I don't mind contact or violence, but it has to be used in the right place. Artest obviously went into the wrong sport, he could have been a football player, boxer, wrestler...whatever.


During game 4, I expect Artest to try and kill another player. That's just how retarded and crazy this guy is.

Now that's the shit i'm talking about. STOP BLAMING THE LEAGUE. BLAME YOUR PUNK ASS ARTEST AND MAKE HIM RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS! You are the people who blame everyone else for your problems and end up on welfare. Here's to you..... :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff

One for every game in this SWEEP!

[trevcourt]

Will the King's homers please step outside for their regularly scheduled beatings.

I wish the NBA wouldn't schedule these things so far apart - Tuesday to Friday is too long between beatings. And 8:30 PM Central Time is really too late to get a beating started on a Tuesday.

[atxrocker]

Now that's the shit i'm talking about. STOP BLAMING THE LEAGUE. BLAME YOUR PUNK ASS ARTEST AND MAKE HIM RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS! You are the people who blame everyone else for your problems and end up on welfare. Here's to you..... :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff

One for every game in this SWEEP!

haha, i call bullshit. what the fuck would this goddamn forum be saying if it was that piece of shit manu who was suspended (which he should have been) then we would see who the fucking homers are. this is a fucking outrage. fucking crazy and orchestrated by the league as a gift to their darling spurs.

[ALVAREZ6]

I'm sure Eric Snow probably flopped on that one.
No, he didn't, I remember it.



It was when he was a Sixer.

[PM5K]

Can you imagine a game where one team had:

Valde, Laimbeer, Rodman

And the other had:

Manu, Okaley, Artest

OMG?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

haha, i call bullshit. what the fuck would this goddamn forum be saying if it was that piece of shit manu who was suspended (which he should have been) then we would see who the fucking homers are. this is a fucking outrage. fucking crazy and orchestrated by the league as a gift to their darling spurs. i hope stern gets a knife in his fucking throat.


Well, this guy I know unexpectedly has the night off and....

[polandprzem]

Now Manu's target should be Bibby.

Flop him out Manu!

[ALVAREZ6]

haha, i call bullshit. what the fuck would this goddamn forum be saying if it was that piece of shit manu who was suspended (which he should have been) then we would see who the fucking homers are. this is a fucking outrage. fucking crazy and orchestrated by the league as a gift to their darling spurs. i hope stern gets a knife in his fucking throat.
Their darling spurs??????


WTF, more like their darling Lebron and Kobe.



What the fuck do you mean "he should have been"?

You are just being a homer, and I know I am a Manu homer, but I would admit it if Manu intentionally elbowed Artest in the face.

Go watch it in slow motion, he was making his drive. I have seen Manu play so many times, and that movement that he made is what he always does, it's just the way his body works I guess. People normally move their arms as they run, they don't run and keep their arms straight down their sides.


Besides, Manu never was the asshole kind of guy who would ever do that cheap shit.

[leemajors]

The problem is, we will NEVER really know what the true outcome of this series would have been if the league had stayed out of it. Now, they've decided who the winners are. Sac can forever claim that they could have won. Artest has already served his "time" and they should not be using him as an example. I rewatched the tape several times, and Ginobili clearly set the tone within the first few seconds by splitting open Artest's lip. It looks just as intentional as Ron's foul. The refs. didn't catch it, move on to game 2! But now, the Spurs will never win this cleanly. The league stepped in to help them. I wish they would just let them play the ^%# game! I saw much, much more physical shots in other games this weekend. the exchange between Battier and Stackhouse was ridiculous. Tim D. had an elbow in Artest from behind. It happens all the time, and IF you play every play slow-motion, the league could or should suspend them ALL!!!

come on dude, artest has brought this all down on himself. if the spurs win the series, we have a very clear idea of the true outcome. seeing all the trouble artest has caused the NBA he will never be done serving his "time" and he deserves all the scrutiny that comes as a consequence of his actions. stu jackson's job is to study questionable fouls on game tape.

[Obstructed_View]

Time: Saturday, April 22
Location: Undisclosed location, David Stern's cell phone


RRRRING!

Stern: Hello?

Jackson: David? Stu. I just got word that the Spurs are up 34 on the Kings at halftime.

Stern: Oh, hell, here we go. Wait, really? Who was watching that game??

Jackson: My sister's little girl is a Kings fan. She called me.

Stern: The little girl?

Jackson: *sigh* No, sir. My sister.

Stern: Ah. Okay, call one of the interns and tell them to switch over to the second half, and if Artest lets loose so much as a fart near the Spurs' bench, I want a full report at 9AM on Monday. Do you understand?

Jackson: Yes, sir.

Stern: Impress upon them the importance of this, and the sensitivity of the issue. I don't care if the ratings are in the toilet, Cuban is NOT backing into the fucking finals on my watch, got it?

Jackson: Will do, sir.

Click.

[ducks]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[atxrocker]

come on dude, artest has brought this all down on himself. if the spurs win the series, we have a very clear idea of the true outcome. seeing all the trouble artest has caused the NBA he will never be done serving his "time" and he deserves all the scrutiny that comes as a consequence of his actions. stu jackson's job is to study questionable fouls on game tape.

who forgot to rewind the tape to the intentional ginobli foul? perhaps he needs to do 'his job' better or more consistent to review plays from players not named artest.

[phyzik]

...

woops, just read Pero's post a few down! :oops

[SpursWoman]

haha, i call bullshit. what the fuck would this goddamn forum be saying if it was that piece of shit manu who was suspended (which he should have been) then we would see who the fucking homers are. this is a fucking outrage. fucking crazy and orchestrated by the league as a gift to their darling spurs.


Over react much?

It's funny you shit-talk about Manu like he was doing a Ray Allen or something. It wasn't Manu, Pop or the Spurs that pushed the play to be reviewed...if you want to be pissed, at least pick the right person. And that shit was intentional ... you should have something to say about that nutjob you're worshipping as well.

I don't think he should have been suspended, but you are totally directing your righteous indignation at the wrong person for the fact that he has been. :lol

[Pero]

well, I see you removed all video links Kori, how about a gif image though? if you dont want it just take it off =)


This is issue has been addressed here 100's of times, but I'll recap it for you again.

You can't post any NBA video here unless you have permission from the NBA to post it. That's the rules of the NBA -- not me. You can't post clips of the video, links to the video, pieces of the video. You can't ask other posters to give you copies of a video, etc.

I don't read every post here and have signatures turned off a lot, so if you have NBA video in your signature -- please take it out.

:lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Artest has always been known to make stupid decisions, statements, etc. and he did again in game one.

He says his Kings are gonna win it all this year, when in reality, they won't make it out of the first round.


He's luck that this guy didn't knock him out before he got hit with the cup:

http://207.44.246.82/~michroni/news/images/stories/2005.05.12/Ben%20Wallace%20_Front.jpg

After that whole Detroit brawl crap, Ron Artest even said that he wanted to fight Ben Wallace or some shit like he could take him...


the guy isn't the brightest bulb out there.

[Obstructed_View]

If not following the forearm to Duncan and coming before the body slam of Parker Artest would NOT have been suspended.

[Pero]

Alvarez, you don`t think Artest can take Ben Wallace?

[ALVAREZ6]

who forgot to rewind the tape to the intentional ginobli foul? perhaps he needs to do 'his job' better or more consistent to review plays from players not named artest.
Then be pissed at him, not Manu.

[Hook Dem]

Bruce Bowen says it best....IT IS WHAT IT IS! :lol

[E20]

Like Ron would have made a difference.

[atxrocker]

Bruce Bowen says it best....IT IS WHAT IT IS! :lol

talk about someone who needs a permanant suspension.

[atxrocker]

Then be pissed at him, not Manu.

if not for manu popping artest severely enough for him to get stitches and flopping that would even make Vlade cringe then i wouldnt mention manu at all, but he deserved at least the same punishment as ron did imo.

[SA210]

No, he didn't, I remember it.



It was when he was a Sixer.
:lol I was being sarcastic

[Spurologist]

talk about someone who needs a permanant suspension.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Land/4801/Mr_Mackey.jpg

Drugs are BAD. Mkay.
















Mkay.

[samikeyp]

Atx.....You berate Manu for flopping.....but you ignore Artest's flopping on that play with Manu. Manu flailed his elbow and made contact and got called for an offensive foul which, IMO, was the right call....but Artest jumped like he stepped on a hot coal with his bare feet.

[alamo50]

Just goes to show the class of the Spurs yet again.
Good things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people.

It could have been a great series now it's over.
Oh well, without Artest the Queens wouldn't have been playing around this time anywayz. They must be thinking it was too good to be true.

[Obstructed_View]

if not for manu popping artest severely enough for him to get stitches and flopping that would even make Vlade cringe then i wouldnt mention manu at all, but he deserved at least the same punishment as ron did imo.
If there's a rule about flopping, the example is what Artest did in the first ten seconds of the game. Artest claims to be a boxer. Jerry Cooney didn't go down that easy! Manu got a whistle three seconds later for hitting Artest.

By the way, who else did Manu elbow in the game? Prior to the elbow to Manu, Artest hit Duncan. Defend that one.

[samikeyp]

Per Marc Stein from ESPN.com...


In Artest's case, though, this is about more than message-sending. The rules clearly state that intentional contact above the shoulders will result in a one-game suspension.

[atxrocker]

Just goes to show the class of the Spurs yet again.
Good things happen to good people, bad things happen to bad people.
It could have been a great series now it's over.
Oh well, without Artest the Queens wouldn't have been playing around this time anywayz. They must be thinking it was too good to be true.

um, ok.. if this logic is correct when the hell is bruce bowen getting mauled or his head decapitated?

[samikeyp]

Because Bruce Bowen is not a bad person.

[atxrocker]

Because Bruce Bowen is not a bad person.

he certainly is dirtier than artest.. and if the post i replied to insinuated that playing dirty makes you a bad person then that would make bruce a very, very bad person.

[ALVAREZ6]

he certainly is dirtier than artest.. and if the post i replied to insinuated that playing dirty makes you a bad person then that would make bruce a very, very bad person.
enough of that bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, Bruce has been running into the stands and beating up fans since his Fullerton days.

He killed three people in France but skipped the country before they could catch him.

[NASpurs]

he certainly is dirtier than artest.. and if the post i replied to insinuated that playing dirty makes you a bad person then that would make bruce a very, very bad person.haha don't even try and compare Bruce to Artest. Bruce wasn't the one who got suspended for 70+ games.

How many games has Bruce been suspeneded?

[Hook Dem]

um, ok.. if this logic is correct when the hell is bruce bowen getting mauled or his head decapitated?
Me thinks you haven't gotten the message from the league office yet! :lol When you're in over your head, the best thing to do is quit digging! :madrun

[Obstructed_View]

he certainly is dirtier than artest.. and if the post i replied to insinuated that playing dirty makes you a bad person then that would make bruce a very, very bad person.
You are going to have to offer some evidence to support an idiotic statement like that in order to get away with it, junior. Time for you to make a list.

[samikeyp]

he certainly is dirtier than artest.. and if the post i replied to insinuated that playing dirty makes you a bad person then that would make bruce a very, very bad person

:lmao :lmao

Oh...you were serious about that. Ever heard of the "Malice at the Palace"? It was in all the papers.

Oh and as far as Bowen?
http://www.nba.com/spurs/community/bowen_communityassist_060215.html (http://)

What the fuck has Artest ever done for the community aside from steal oxygen from it?

[Sweetmelody]

Wow, very suprised! Never thought he would be suspended because of that, but I can totally understand why they did it.

What I don't understand is why Manu is getting so much criticism, Leave my man Alone! :madrun

I don't feel sorry For Artest, honestly I was afraid someone would get hurt after the lip incident.

[atxrocker]

enough of that bullshit.

enough with the denial.

[samikeyp]

tell me again how Bowen is worse?

Ron Artest Timeline


April 24, 2006: Suspended for Game 2 of the NBA first-round playoffs against the San Antonio Spurs for a Flagrant 2 foul to the head of Manu Ginobili.

January 2006: Inactive while Pacers seek to trade him.

December 2005: Fined $10,000 for "making public statements detrimental to the NBA."

December 2005: Publicly asked to be traded.

September 2005: Pleaded no contest to assault charges in connection with brawl and accepted one year of probation, community service and $250 fine.

December 2004: Arbitrator upholds NBA season-long suspension.

December 2004: Charged with misdemeanor assault and battery stemming from brawl at Pistons-Pacers game.

November 2004: Lawsuits filed against Artest and others involved in brawl on behalf of two fans involved in brawl.

November 2004: NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Artest for the remainder of the season (73 games) for involvement in brawl at Pistons-Pacers game (harshest penalty in league history for an on-court incident).

November 2004: Involved in brawl with Detroit Pistons and fans in Auburn Hills, Mich.

November 2004: Benched for two games for requesting time off at beginning of season to promote an album for his Truwarier Records label.

June 2004: Skipped season-ending meeting with Larry Bird, Pacers' president of basketball operations.

May 2004: Missed team flight to Detroit, team practice and shootaround before game with Detroit, reportedly because of a migraine.

May 2004: Fined $10,000 for making obscene gesture during game with Detroit.

April 2004: Suspended one game for leaving the bench during game with Boston.

March 2004: Suspended one game for hitting Trail Blazers' Derek Anderson in the head with a forearm.

February 2004: Benched for start of game against New Orleans for missing practice the night before.

April 2003: Fined $20,000 for making obscene gesture at fans in Cleveland.

March 2003: Suspended one game for flagrant foul against Portland.

March 2003: Suspended one game for flagrant foul against Philadelphia.

March 2003: Suspended two games for flagrant foul against Boston.

February 2003: Called to speak with league officials in New York, where Artest was told he would incur more suspensions if his behavior did not change.

February 2003: Pacers coach Isiah Thomas ordered Artest to stay home and not to travel with team to Boston for "disciplinary reasons," allegedly for breaking a framed picture of himself in the locker room at Conseco Fieldhouse.

January 2003: Suspended for four games without pay after confrontation with coaches, players and fans of Miami Heat.

January 2003: Suspended for three games and fined $35,000 for destroying a camera and television equipment after game against New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden.

Summer 2002: Ordered to undergo anger-management counseling after harassment and criminal contempt charges brought by former girlfriend were dropped.

[NASpurs]

tell me again how Bowen is worse?

Ron Artest Timeline


April 24, 2006: Suspended for Game 2 of the NBA first-round playoffs against the San Antonio Spurs for a Flagrant 2 foul to the head of Manu Ginobili.

January 2006: Inactive while Pacers seek to trade him.

December 2005: Fined $10,000 for "making public statements detrimental to the NBA."

December 2005: Publicly asked to be traded.

September 2005: Pleaded no contest to assault charges in connection with brawl and accepted one year of probation, community service and $250 fine.

December 2004: Arbitrator upholds NBA season-long suspension.

December 2004: Charged with misdemeanor assault and battery stemming from brawl at Pistons-Pacers game.

November 2004: Lawsuits filed against Artest and others involved in brawl on behalf of two fans involved in brawl.

November 2004: NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Artest for the remainder of the season (73 games) for involvement in brawl at Pistons-Pacers game (harshest penalty in league history for an on-court incident).

November 2004: Involved in brawl with Detroit Pistons and fans in Auburn Hills, Mich.

November 2004: Benched for two games for requesting time off at beginning of season to promote an album for his Truwarier Records label.

June 2004: Skipped season-ending meeting with Larry Bird, Pacers' president of basketball operations.

May 2004: Missed team flight to Detroit, team practice and shootaround before game with Detroit, reportedly because of a migraine.

May 2004: Fined $10,000 for making obscene gesture during game with Detroit.

April 2004: Suspended one game for leaving the bench during game with Boston.

March 2004: Suspended one game for hitting Trail Blazers' Derek Anderson in the head with a forearm.

February 2004: Benched for start of game against New Orleans for missing practice the night before.

April 2003: Fined $20,000 for making obscene gesture at fans in Cleveland.

March 2003: Suspended one game for flagrant foul against Portland.

March 2003: Suspended one game for flagrant foul against Philadelphia.

March 2003: Suspended two games for flagrant foul against Boston.

February 2003: Called to speak with league officials in New York, where Artest was told he would incur more suspensions if his behavior did not change.

February 2003: Pacers coach Isiah Thomas ordered Artest to stay home and not to travel with team to Boston for "disciplinary reasons," allegedly for breaking a framed picture of himself in the locker room at Conseco Fieldhouse.

January 2003: Suspended for four games without pay after confrontation with coaches, players and fans of Miami Heat.

January 2003: Suspended for three games and fined $35,000 for destroying a camera and television equipment after game against New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden.

Summer 2002: Ordered to undergo anger-management counseling after harassment and criminal contempt charges brought by former girlfriend were dropped.Holy shit that guy got owned! :lmao

[SpursWoman]

he certainly is dirtier than artest.. and if the post i replied to insinuated that playing dirty makes you a bad person then that would make bruce a very, very bad person.

Ron is a well documented nutjob...a different color uniform isn't going to change that fact.

[samikeyp]

apparently though...a change of uniform color causes "transferable myopia".

[SpursWoman]

March 2004: Suspended one game for hitting Trail Blazers' Derek Anderson in the head with a forearm.


Derek is a flopper. :lmao

[samikeyp]

but...he is all about loyalty. :lol

[NASpurs]

Pre 2002:

1999-00 season

Summer 1999: Before his rookie season, Artest applied for a part-time job at a Circuit City outlet in the Chicago area. But the Bulls stepped in before he could begin work ... and benefit from the employee discount. (WTF!)

Said Artest: "I thought it would be fun. And I had a friend who worked there."

October 4, 1999: Fined $5,000 and sent home from the league's rookie orientation for missing a meeting. Bulls GM Jerry Krause said Artest overslept, while also having a friend in his room when visitors weren't allowed.

2000-01 season

February 21, 2001: Suspended for one game and fined $7,500 for fighting with Glenn Robinson during Bulls-Bucks game.

June 13, 2001: Broke two of Michael Jordan's ribs during a pickup game. "I'm not sure what happened," Artest said in the Chicago Daily Herald. "I was just guarding him. I was just trying to get position because he was posting me up. I don't even recall him stopping for a brief second. ... I read it in the paper and was like, 'Man, Mike's ribs got broke. How'd his ribs get broke?'"

Not surprising... yet Manu "flopped" by a 250 lb man's forearm on the side of his head.... what a ridiciulous statement.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know why some people are so upset when others speak of Manu flopping. Again (I think I said it twice in this thread) flopping doesn't mean that Manu wasn't hit. It means he exaggerates contact when he's hit. That doesn't mean that he's a bad player. It doesn't mean that he doesn't get hit a lot. It doesn't mean that Artest didn't intend to hit him. It just means that he exaggerates contact when he gets hit.

[mavsfan1000]

Manu exaggerates everything to the 10th degree and Artest got suspended because of it. Manu the king of flops.

[Obstructed_View]

Manu exaggerates everything to the 10th degree and Artest got suspended because of it. Manu the king of flops.Actually, he's the prince of flops. Darrell Armstrong is the king.

[NASpurs]

Actually, he's the prince of flops. Darrell Armstrong is the king.Derek Fisher is the lord of flops then.

[Obstructed_View]

Derek Fisher is the lord of flops then.
And Vlade is the God to whom they all bow.

[NASpurs]

And Vlade is the God to whom they all bow.And John Stockton is Chuck Norris.

[baseline bum]

That's so stupid. The playoffs are about hard fouls. I didn't find Artest's particularly malicious.

[SA210]

tell me again how Bowen is worse?

Ron Artest Timeline


April 24, 2006: Suspended for Game 2 of the NBA first-round playoffs against the San Antonio Spurs for a Flagrant 2 foul to the head of Manu Ginobili.

January 2006: Inactive while Pacers seek to trade him.

December 2005: Fined $10,000 for "making public statements detrimental to the NBA."

December 2005: Publicly asked to be traded.

September 2005: Pleaded no contest to assault charges in connection with brawl and accepted one year of probation, community service and $250 fine.

December 2004: Arbitrator upholds NBA season-long suspension.

December 2004: Charged with misdemeanor assault and battery stemming from brawl at Pistons-Pacers game.

November 2004: Lawsuits filed against Artest and others involved in brawl on behalf of two fans involved in brawl.

November 2004: NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Artest for the remainder of the season (73 games) for involvement in brawl at Pistons-Pacers game (harshest penalty in league history for an on-court incident).

November 2004: Involved in brawl with Detroit Pistons and fans in Auburn Hills, Mich.

November 2004: Benched for two games for requesting time off at beginning of season to promote an album for his Truwarier Records label.

June 2004: Skipped season-ending meeting with Larry Bird, Pacers' president of basketball operations.

May 2004: Missed team flight to Detroit, team practice and shootaround before game with Detroit, reportedly because of a migraine.

May 2004: Fined $10,000 for making obscene gesture during game with Detroit.

April 2004: Suspended one game for leaving the bench during game with Boston.

March 2004: Suspended one game for hitting Trail Blazers' Derek Anderson in the head with a forearm.

February 2004: Benched for start of game against New Orleans for missing practice the night before.

April 2003: Fined $20,000 for making obscene gesture at fans in Cleveland.

March 2003: Suspended one game for flagrant foul against Portland.

March 2003: Suspended one game for flagrant foul against Philadelphia.

March 2003: Suspended two games for flagrant foul against Boston.

February 2003: Called to speak with league officials in New York, where Artest was told he would incur more suspensions if his behavior did not change.

February 2003: Pacers coach Isiah Thomas ordered Artest to stay home and not to travel with team to Boston for "disciplinary reasons," allegedly for breaking a framed picture of himself in the locker room at Conseco Fieldhouse.

January 2003: Suspended for four games without pay after confrontation with coaches, players and fans of Miami Heat.

January 2003: Suspended for three games and fined $35,000 for destroying a camera and television equipment after game against New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden.

Summer 2002: Ordered to undergo anger-management counseling after harassment and criminal contempt charges brought by former girlfriend were dropped.
All of the people he harmed in those incidents were floppers, so it's not like Ron actually did anything intentionally to hurt them. Even if they exxagerated the contact, Ron should be protected because, um, they exxagerated the hit.

Why does flopping even have to be brought up in the 1st place at all? I don't know, but it seemed like a good defense for someone who intentionally tried to take out a Spur with a cheap shot above in the head area, after being suspended a year for violence.

[SpursWoman]

I don't know why some people are so upset when others speak of Manu flopping.

I'm not upset, I think it's funny that apparently Ron only got in trouble because Manu flopped, according to a few. It had nothing to do with the intentional forearm, but because of a flop.

I also think after that lip incident the head office was watching the rest of the game in slow motion so they wouldn't miss any attempt at retribution. And they didn't.

:fro

[Obstructed_View]

I also think after that lip incident the head office was watching the rest of the game in slow motion so they wouldn't miss any attempt at retribution. And they didn't.

:fro
Interesting point. Anyone here think Manu might have gotten a fine if Artest had behaved himself the entire game? I think it's possible.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Me thinks you haven't gotten the message from the league office yet! :lol When you're in over your head, the best thing to do is quit digging! :madrun

Aw, give him a break. He's got all his bullshit pent up from not being able to post on the Nazi Kings board.

[exstatic]

If anyone is to blame, it's the refs for letting him get in three cheap shots without escalating at least one of them to a F1 to get control of the game. Damn.

The good thing is that I'll bet game 3 will be called REAL tight. Ronnie isn't even on a leash: Stern has ahold of his fucking collar.

[ploto]

I actually think it will be interesting to see the Kings offensively without Artest. I thought they forgot a lot of what made the Kings good offensively. I expect to see a lot more Bibby and a whole lot more involvement of Brad Miller in the flow of the offense. The Spurs have a much more difficult time covering that than they do Artest one on one.

[gameFACE]

Can we limit this thread to the topic at hand?


Also, you didn't hear of Manu calling up Stu Jackson to lobby for the suspension (a la Ray Allen) and you didn't hear of Peter Holt sending replay tapes to or contacting the NBA office to "bitch and moan" (a la Cubano).
:lol


We all know Manu is a flopper. But do you really believe he flopped there? Go play a game against Ron and see how huge of a man he is and let him forearm you in the head while you're trying to cut... let's see if your head doesn't whip back.

Actually I think he flopped on Ron's intentional blow less than Ron did on Manu's accidental elbow at the start of the game. Seems like Manu sent that huge of a man down to the floor. It's called flopping and I discount it in both incidents. I still contend that it has more to do with Ron's previous history.

[Slomo]

I actually think it will be interesting to see the Kings offensively without Artest. I thought they forgot a lot of what made the Kings good offensively. I expect to see a lot more Bibby and a whole lot more involvement of Brad Miller in the flow of the offense. The Spurs have a much more difficult time covering that than they do Artest one on one.Interesting point. I agree with you.

[exstatic]

enough with the denial.

Denial is a river in Egypt, Cleopatra...

[Buddy Holly]

Manu exaggerates everything to the 10th degree and Artest got suspended because of it. Manu the king of flops.

Bullshit, an intentional hit to the head is an automatic suspension numnuts.

[Kori Ellis]

Bullshit, an intentional hit to the head is an automatic suspension numnuts.

Is it? All I know that it says in the rules is that elbow fouls above the shoulders and punching fouls are supposed to be automatic ejections.

[Buddy Holly]

Is it? All I know that it says in the rules is that elbow fouls above the shoulders and punching fouls are supposed to be automatic ejections.


In Artest's case, though, this is about more than message-sending. The rules clearly state that intentional contact above the shoulders will result in a one-game suspension.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2420082

[Kori Ellis]

Here's the rule that I see ..


If the deliberate elbow contact is above shoulder level, the player will be ejected. If the elbow contact is shoulder level or below, the player may be ejected at the discretion of the official. In all of these situations, the official has the discretion of assessing a fla-grant foul (1) or (2).

So if it was deliberate (which most people think it was) and if it was an elbow (which is still up for debate) then he should have been ejected. Nothing says automatic suspension.

[Buddy Holly]

I think those apply ingame not after during the review stage.

[Kori Ellis]

Here's more clarification in the NBA official rules:


PUNCHING, FIGHTING AND ELBOW FOULS

Violent acts of any nature on the court will not be tolerated. Players involved in altercations will be ejected, fined and/or suspended.

Officials have been instructed to eject a player who throws a punch, whether or not it connects, or an elbow which makes contact above shoulder level. If elbow contact is shoulder level or below, it shall be left to the discretion of the official as to whether the player is ejected. Even if a punch or an elbow goes undetected by the officials during the game, but is detected during a review of a videotape, that player will be penalized.

So it seems to be discretionary and that they CAN suspend him. But it is not an automatic suspension. They could have just fined him.

[Buddy Holly]

Here's more clarification in the NBA official rules:



So it seems to be discretionary and that they CAN suspend him. But it is not an automatic suspension.

Refs can't suspend players, those rules seem to be for during games and what refs can or can't do.

[Obstructed_View]

A player, coach or trainer must be
ejected for:
(1) A punching foul
(2) A fighting foul
(3) An elbow foul which makes contact
above shoulder level.

[Kori Ellis]

Refs can't suspend players, those rules seem to be for during games and what refs can or can't do.

Did you even read it?


Even if a punch or an elbow goes undetected by the officials during the game, but is detected during a review of a videotape, that player will be penalized.

[Buddy Holly]

Did you even read it?


that player will be penalized.

That is very vauge in description.

Do you have the entire rules of the NBA in terms of susepnding?

[Kori Ellis]

This was upgraded to a Flagrant 2, right?

Well here's the specifics on that:


A flagrant foul-penalty (1) is unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent.

A flagrant foul-penalty (2) is unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent. It is an unsportsmanlike act and the offender is ejected immediately.

The offender will be subject to a fine not exceeding $35,000 and/or suspension by the Commissioner.

[missmyzte]

Dang, this is what happens when I work all day, I miss the good stuff. Suspended??? Craziness!

[Buddy Holly]

This was upgraded to a Flagrant 2, right?

Well here's the specifics on that:

Yes they did make it a flagrant 2, I think. Although wouldn't a foul first have to called in order to "upgrade" it?

[whottt]

Fuck Artest...it's a privilege to play in the NBA and get paid millions. Artest is lucky to be in the NBA, not vice versa...if he can't handle it, GTFO, go play in the CBA, and let a non idiot into the league in his place. The league has no patience with him because of his childish antics of the past...He is most definitely getting suspended because of past behavior and I've got no problem with the league doing it.

In fact, he should automatically get a 5 game suspension if he even starts to get that crossyed look on his face...He has no god given right to play in the NBA, the NBA doesn't exist as a charity group for headcases to deal with emotional issues.

If he can't figure that out, tough shit, 99
% of the rest of the players in the league can... Personally I enjoyed the fact that the league suspended him...I applaud them for doing it...Artest needs to be a choirboy and the poster boy for good behavior for the rest of his career...If he feels he is being unfairly treated then he needs to get his ass out and go play somewhere else.


BTW, the beauty of all of this is IMO, Manu wasn't trying real hard not to clip him upside the head...Not only is Manu a flopper supreme(although he does get hit hard often IMO)...but he's also one of the best in the NBA at the "inadvertent elbow"(see the Nuggets series from last year). I don't doubt for a second that he knew who was guarding him...Sucks to be Ron Artest and not be able to control your temper or emotions...

Good job Manu.

[missmyzte]

Usually suspensions will come the day after the game, this one came 2 days later.

It did come the day after the article written by that chick in Sacramento suggesting the Kings resort to physically hurting the Spurs in order to gain an advantage. Perhaps Stu Jackson read that and thought, "I better let them know that's not okay."

Just a thought.

[ALVAREZ6]

whottt, I don't think he tried elbowing him at all.



why the fuck would Manu start something with Artest??? He's not that type of guy, and if he didn't cover it up well enough Artest would kick his ass.



BTW, what are you referring to from the Denver series?

[ducks]

does stern even work on sundays?

[Buddy Holly]

Usually suspensions will come the day after the game, this one came 2 days later.

It did come the day after the article written by that chick in Sacramento suggesting the Kings resort to physically hurting the Spurs in order to gain an advantage. Perhaps Stu Jackson read that and thought, "I better let them know that's not okay."

Just a thought.

The NBA office is closed on the weekend (saturday/sunday) which is why it took 2 days to suspend both Artest and Haslem.

[ALVAREZ6]

The NBA office is closed on the weekend (saturday/sunday) which is why it took 2 days to suspend both Artest and Haslem.
wow, thanks for bring that up.


that certainly clears things up.


:tu

[Obstructed_View]

BTW, what are you referring to from the Denver series?Manu cranked Greg Buckner in the jaw on the way to the hoop. If he can intentionally hit two guys like that in the face that are behind him while he's going the other direction with the ball in his hand, and still score the basket in both cases, he deserves to get away with it.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

I actually think it will be interesting to see the Kings offensively without Artest. I thought they forgot a lot of what made the Kings good offensively. I expect to see a lot more Bibby and a whole lot more involvement of Brad Miller in the flow of the offense. The Spurs have a much more difficult time covering that than they do Artest one on one.

Yep. They need to get the ball back in Peja's hands.

[ALVAREZ6]

Manu cranked Greg Buckner in the jaw on the way to the hoop. If he can intentionally hit two guys like that in the face that are behind him while he's going the other direction with the ball in his hand, and still score the basket in both cases, he deserves to get away with it.
:lol

Buckner deserved that shit, all of those Nuggets deserved it. Especially K-Mart and Melo.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

Buckner deserved that shit, all of those Nuggets deserved it. Especially K-Mart and Melo.
IIRC, Buckner had already been called for one flagrant against Manu by that point.

[spurs=bling]

I've never felt a need to defend Artest, but IMO this is a terrible call.

Fine his ass if you need to punish him, but a suspension is sooo way overboard.

However, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter as the Kings never had a chance of winning this series.
:makeout

[ALVAREZ6]

I just realized how much more I appreciate Manu :lol


How many people has he managed to piss off in the last year or two???

Artest, Raja Bell, George Karl, George Buckner, Melo, Kenyon,

any others?

[whottt]

whottt, I don't think he tried elbowing him at all.



why the fuck would Manu start something with Artest??? He's not that type of guy, and if he didn't cover it up well enough Artest would kick his ass.



BTW, what are you referring to from the Denver series?


I am referring to the fact that anyone who slapped Manu around in that series ended up getting an elbow up their nose at some point in that series...the more physical they got, the crazier his arms got.

If my word is not good enough for you, take George Karl's word for it...or better yet take KMart's...and BTW, if anyone doubts if Manu takes some hard shots(inspite of being a flopper) they also need to take KMart's word for it...Kmart flat out admitted they were hitting him hard to send a message last year, he also admitted that it didn't work. It was in one of the post game interviews and the comments should be online somewhere.

Do you honestly think Manu is worried about some guy trying to pick a fight with him? You must never have watched the way he plays...I don't think he actually wants to get into a fight, but he's not afraid of pain(in fact I think he kind of likes it), and emotionally baiting some chump plays into his hands and makes him more effective.

If Artest picks a fight with him Artest's career is ovah...

So yeah...I think Manu's arms are intentionally crazy sometimes, particularly when he is involved in a physical matchup. Those elbows of his are bony and sharp, and elbows like that don't feel good when they are getting stuck up your nose.

[Obstructed_View]

I just realized how much more I appreciate Manu :lol


How many people has he managed to piss off in the last year or two???

Artest, Raja Bell, George Karl, George Buckner, Melo, Kenyon,

any others?
Eddie Johnson, the city of Phoenix, the city of Denver, the city of Seattle, the city of Sacramento. If he were black he'd be the new logo for the NBA.

[ALVAREZ6]

I am referring to the fact that anyone who slapped Manu around in that series ended up getting an elbow up their nose at some point in that series...the more physical they got, the crazier his arms got.

If my word is not good enough for you, take George Karl's word for it...or better yet take KMart's...and BTW, if anyone doubts if Manu takes some hard shots(inspite of being a flopper) they also need to take KMart's word for it...Kmart flat out admitted they were hitting him hard to send a message last year, he also admitted that it didn't work. It was in one of the post game interviews and the comments should be online somewhere.

Do you honestly think Manu is worried about some guy trying to pick a fight with him? You must never have watched the way he plays...I don't think he actually wants to get into a fight, but he's not afraid of pain(in fact I think he kind of likes it), and emotionally baiting some chump plays into his hands and makes him more effective.

If Artest picks a fight with him Artest's career is ovah...

So yeah...I think Manu's arms are intentionally crazy sometimes, particularly when he is involved in a physical matchup. Those elbows of his are bony and sharp, and elbows like that don't feel good when they are getting stuck up your nose.
Good point, but you're making it sound like everyone who fucked with him got it, when really only Artest and Buckner did.

Melo and K-Mart, Jerome James, DANNY FORTSON, why didn't they get an elbow?


No I don't think Manu is worried about someone getting in a fight with him, and yes he plays fearless, and likes pain...but at the same time, he is injured all the time.


I admire that about him though, it's exactly how I play. I'm always trying to throw my body into people, especially those big guys down low. It works very well, and if you notice, Tony does it a lot too, which proves that it works.

Watch him against Detroit, he threw himself into Rasheed so many times. It just creates a larger distance from sheed's hand and the ball.

Great strategy!



I just don't think you can say that Manu really pops people on purpose, he isn't that type of guy. Think about it, the chances of popping only 2 guys in so many games? How many games does Manu play a year?

[ALVAREZ6]

You must never have watched the way he plays...
No, I do, and honostly I think it was a natural movement.

Contrary to this statement, as a result of watching Manu play so many times, the way his elbow moved back is the same way it does every single time he drives. It's his natural movement, his arm sort of rocks back as he begins to make his way to the basket to pick up some momentum.

[ALVAREZ6]

Look at that elbow:

http://www.solesdigital.com.ar/Wallpapers/ginobili_wp.jpg

[whottt]

Good point, but you're making it sound like everyone who fucked with him got it, when really only Artest and Buckner did.

Melo and K-Mart, Jerome James, DANNY FORTSON, why didn't they get an elbow?

Actually he did get KMart in that series...I think he got Camby too. He didn't get them like he did Buckner but I am telling you he knows exactly what he is doing with that style of play.





No I don't think Manu is worried about someone getting in a fight with him, and yes he plays fearless, and likes pain...but at the same time, he is injured all the time.

Yeah he gets some hard shots, he also throws himself down on the court 15 times a game. His style is destructive...but he usually doesn't feel it till the after thw game.






Watch him against Detroit, he threw himself into Rasheed so many times. It just creates a larger distance from sheed's hand and the ball.

Great strategy!



I just don't think you can say that Manu really pops people on purpose, he isn't that type of guy. Think about it, the chances of popping only 2 guys in so many games? How many games does Manu play a year?


Um...You act like Manu is a saint or something...

That mofo tries to create fouls out of nothing, he gets into peoples bodies, he plays physical...

2 years ago that mofo went into Shaq's body after Shaq pulled down a rebound and was trying to rip the ball out of Shaq's hand.

Remember that play last year, I think it was against Denver, or maybe Seattle, where the game was over and he went up and swarmed the guy with the ball then tried to draw a foul?

Manu tries to bait guys into taking shots at him...he tries to do it to get fouls, don't act like he's above deceptive play...he does it 50 times a game. And yeah...he's has his own little way of sending messages to guys getting to physical with him...and once they do start getting physical with him his flops start paying off.

Tim Duncan said it best...Manu's crazy. Crazy like a fox.


Either he knows what he is doing or he is constantly the benficiary of poetic justice....aint no justice in the world ever been that poetic, that often.

[LilMissSPURfect]

F!cK! this is basketball.....! And these are big O guys playing hard-nosed winner take all physical basketball...why must there always be some jerkoffs analyzing everyone's intentions....It's part of the game...fouls,flops and big lips! 1 team 1 goal! ! IZ WHAT I RECALL!!!!!!!

[ALVAREZ6]

Fine whottt, you win lol.



I have been owned, but it's a good thing.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

I appreciate those on here who thought to Artest suspension was complete bullshit.

[RON ARTEST]

look for kevin martin to have a great game.

[SA210]

I appreciate those on here who thought to Artest suspension was complete bullshit.
And I appreciate the people on here who have at least 20/20 vision and saw that the suspension was well deserved and didn't bring up Manu's flopping as a defense to Artests intentional hit on Manu.

[exstatic]

I appreciate those on here who thought to Artest suspension was complete bullshit.
The suspension was probably unwarranted under normal circustances. However, the NBA (per ESPN) DID send out a letter than no BS would be tolerated in this year's playoffs, and if Udonis Halsem can be suspended for throwing a mouthpeice, then Kings fans shouldn't be too surprised.

What WAS bullshit was the triple "payback" that Artest felt the need to exact. You reap what you sow.

[RON ARTEST]

what do you guys think about bowen kicking ray square in the back a couple weeks ago. you guys justify that but when artest does something less then that you guys act like hes satan.

[Tek_XX]

Yeah i feel really bad that ARtest has been suspended or not. Go to Kingsfan.com for a good laugh. Apparently the Spurs called the league and bitterly complained and Ginobilis elbow = Artest forearm to the head. Oh and the spurs get the royal star treatment and kobe got away with so much shit in the 2002 WCF(which i agree with)

[SA210]

Vote on WOAI.com
http://www.woai.com/home.aspx

Do you agree with Ron Artest's suspension?
Yes...
80.0%
No...
20.0%

[RON ARTEST]

Vote on WOAI.com
http://www.woai.com/home.aspx

Do you agree with Ron Artest's suspension?
Yes...
80.0%
No...
20.0%
well what the fuck do you think they are gonna vote? most of them are homers like you who root for bowen who didnt get suspended for kicking ray in the damn back.

[infinite styles]

what do you guys think about bowen kicking ray square in the back a couple weeks ago. you guys justify that but when artest does something less then that you guys act like hes satan.


I thought he was Satan? :lol :lol

[RON ARTEST]

I thought he was Satan? :lol :lol
i dont know about you but alot of the other homers on this forum do act that way. thank god for kori ellis.

[Scobe]

well what the fuck do you think they are gonna vote? most of them are homers like you who root for bowen who didnt get suspended for kicking ray in the damn back.

Bruce should have gotten a 1 gamer for that one. I love the way the guy plays, but you can't do that. I think that his clean nature and the fact that he doesn't talk shit all the time helped him there.

[SenorSpur]

Manu exaggerates everything to the 10th degree and Artest got suspended because of it. Manu the king of flops.

Manu exaggerates much like Cuban does when complaining to the league office that "the Mavs don't get calls from the referees" or "the playoff schedule doesn't favor the Mavs" or whatever the hell else he bitches about.

Cuban the King of bitchin' and moanin'

[phyzik]

well what the fuck do you think they are gonna vote? most of them are homers like you who root for bowen who didnt get suspended for kicking ray in the damn back.

If someone was sitting on my foot (like Ray was) and I kicked them in the back and they where NOT expecting it (Like Ray wasnt), I bet I could AT THE LEAST knock the wind out of someone, Bowens kick was more of a push.

......but whatever justifications you need to make yourself feel better for that mental case on your team go right ahead.

[Scobe]

Actually he did get KMart in that series...I think he got Camby too. He didn't get them like he did Buckner but I am telling you he knows exactly what he is doing with that style of play.






Yeah he gets some hard shots, he also throws himself down on the court 15 times a game. His style is destructive...but he usually doesn't feel it till the after thw game.








Um...You act like Manu is a saint or something...

That mofo tries to create fouls out of nothing, he gets into peoples bodies, he plays physical...

2 years ago that mofo went into Shaq's body after Shaq pulled down a rebound and was trying to rip the ball out of Shaq's hand.

Remember that play last year, I think it was against Denver, or maybe Seattle, where the game was over and he went up and swarmed the guy with the ball then tried to draw a foul?

Manu tries to bait guys into taking shots at him...he tries to do it to get fouls, don't act like he's above deceptive play...he does it 50 times a game. And yeah...he's has his own little way of sending messages to guys getting to physical with him...and once they do start getting physical with him his flops start paying off.

Tim Duncan said it best...Manu's crazy. Crazy like a fox.

Either he knows what he is doing or he is constantly the benficiary of poetic justice....aint no justice in the world ever been that poetic, that often.

Damn, if this is true then not only is Manu one of the toughest SOBs around, but he is also hands down the craftiest and smartest basketball player in the history of the game. IF this is true, the guy's a genius on the hardcourt with huge huevos.

[exstatic]

well what the fuck do you think they are gonna vote? most of them are homers like you who root for bowen who didnt get suspended for kicking ray in the damn back.
They probably didn't suspend him because Allen was such a biyotch about calling the league and lobbying.

And, let's clear this up. Bowen didn't kick Ray Allen. Allen made a drama move, falling on top of BB's leg while getting called for an offensive foul for jumping into BB. Bruce shoved him with the sole of his shoe to attempt to dislodge his whining complaining ref baiting carcass from BB's leg so that he could get up.

Oh, and Bruce apologized anyway. Waiting for an Artest apology would be like watching one of those old EF Hutton commmericals...silence and birdies chirping.

[spurs=bling]

i dont know about you but alot of the other homers on this forum do act that way. thank god for kori ellis.
Ron why don't you just chill and have a cup of beer.

[infinite styles]

i dont know about you but alot of the other homers on this forum do act that way. thank god for kori ellis.

My feeling towards the suspension is that he didn't really get it for the one to Ginobili but really for the swipe at Duncan and the take downs on Parker. He made contact with Ginobili so thats what they had to call. Everybody knew coming in that Artest could give us one and what do you know it happened. When you give the people what they are looking for its kinda hard to hide from the consequences. Game 3 will be interesting so I'm really looking forward to that one.

Side note: What were your thoughts on Artest before he joined Sac?

[Scobe]

Ron why don't you just chill and have a cup of beer.

Good thing they don't sell bottles of beer in detroit. Or even cans. A full one of those could knock someone out in the middle of a 2nd grade food fight.

[spurs=bling]

Good thing they don't sell bottles of beer in detroit. Or even cans. A full one of those could knock someone out in the middle of a 2nd grade food fight.
:lol

[bigfundamental21]

Artest knows that anything he does will be viewed under a microscope after the crap he pulled when he was with the Pacers. Given that, even the Spurs, Ginobili in particular, did not feel that his actions were flagrant or intentional. They said in their post game interviews that it was just physical basketball, playoff basketball. The suspension is extreme, but you reap what you sow.

[leemajors]

i feel this thread needs bad song lyrics:
But when the night is falling
And you cannot find the light
If you feel your dream is dying
Hold tight
You've got the music in you
Don't let go
You've got the music in you
One dance left
This world is gonna pull through
Don't give up
You've got a reason to live
Can't forget you only get what you give

[nkdlunch]

In Artest's case, though, this is about more than message-sending. The rules clearly state that intentional contact above the shoulders will result in a one-game suspension.

AMEN! this is all that's needed to be said from this thread.

[cheguevara]

Remember that kid in high school that was ALWAYS in the principal's office. Sometimes for no reason at all. Well that's Ron Artest. The fool brought this shit on himself. So once again he has fucked the KIngs.


NOt only has he fucked the Kings, he has fucked this great round 1 matchup that could have helped the Spurs get prepared for their title run. FUcking Artest you piece of shit thanks a lot.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

It sucks for the Kings, but it's the NBA doing it's job. Remember when Kobe retaliated to Mike Miller. It seemed unnecessary, but it was the "intent" and premeditation that got him canned, just like Artest's is in the same scenario, it was obvious. Even if Manu didn't get hurt as bad, just the potential for the headshot is their concern.

[samikeyp]

All of the people he harmed in those incidents were floppers, so it's not like Ron actually did anything intentionally to hurt them. Even if they exxagerated the contact, Ron should be protected because, um, they exxagerated the hit.


really? including the fans he flipped off and his girlfriend?

[SA210]

really? including the fans he flipped off and his girlfriend?
It was sarcasm.