Adelman, game 2 - It was illegal (pick)

[jmard5]

Your thoughts?

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That late screen by Duncan that caught and buckled Mike Bibby while Barry dropped in the crushing three? Still bugs Adelman.

"I wasn't going to say anything (initially), but it was illegal," Adelman said. "That's supposed to be illegal. But we can say it's our fault. We should not have been in the position to get picked. That was our big mistake."


http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/14248509p-15065818c.html

[genghisrex]

:cry

[LakerHater0823]

:jack :violin :stfu

[Sec24Row7]

Duncan was standing there... bibby ran into him hard... duncan moved with the contact.

Bibby was so far out of the play anyway that it woudln't have mattered if Duncan had even set the pick.

[carina_gino20]

it looked clean to me. bibby reacted too late.tim timed his pick perfectly and bibby ran into him.

[101A]

He moved, before or after was incidental; he also pushed off before that. It's what great players do; know what they can get away with when.

Bottom line; if it isn't called, it's not a foul.

[101A]

It is good to see, however, that Adellman is dwelling on it.

[ShoogarBear]

I thought that Tim might have been moving at the time, too, but I keep forgetting to look again on the replays. Anyway, they are nevernevernevernevernever gonna call that off the ball.

And of all people complaining about setting moving picks, the guy who coached Vlade and Webber? :lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

sounds like someone's makeing excuses to inspire his team.

[td4mvp21]

Tim did move, but SO WHAT. The Kings had the refs calling EVERYTHING for them. They need to STFU and deal because they had a 38-24 advantage going into overtime at the free throw line.

[boutons_]

The Kings sound pretty deflated by Game2.

2-0 is a big hole vs Spurs, and they aren't likely to be the 15th team ever to win a series after being down 0-2, and they aren't the 04 Lakers, Rick ain't Phil.

Mavs and Pistons dominated in their Game2s, while the Spurs escaped Game2 with a lucky bounce.

Spurs need to make a show of force in Game3, on the road.

[picnroll]

Is Pop the only coach in the league who doesn't whine about plays to the press after a game?

[Rummpd]

Queens whiner forum page 6000.

[Jimcs50]

Is Pop the only coach in the league who doesn't whine about plays to the press after a game?

AJ and Mike Brown too.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Is Pop the only coach in the league who doesn't whine about plays to the press after a game?

I believe so. Pop has this leave the past in the past mentality. If it;s over then he figures it;s time to move on to the nest thing. Be it the next game or the next season. :tu I like that about him.

[SA210]

Man, are we gonna come out horrible again on game 3 or are we gonna take care of business?

We better come to play. :madrun

[carina_gino20]

AJ and Mike Brown too.

and you know who they learned from... :spin

[foodie2]

and you know who they learned from... :spin

However, Avery has Cuban to do his whining to the press for him, so he doesn't count. :lol

[wildbill2u]

Sacramento will have all the intangible mental advantages--return of Artest, played well in game 2, "we wuz robbed", must win, etc--in Game 3.

The Spurs have the advantage/disadvantage of being up two games which can affect their mental outlook positively or negatively. Let's see if they have the killer attitude of champions this year.

[Spurologist]

Pop could be complaining to the media after many bs calls but what does he do. He does say jack. Adelman can know it was illegal (i thought it wasn't), but he shouldn't bitch about it. The game is over. Worry about the next game. He is showing weakness right now. It's the same with cry baby bitch Ray Allen last year.

[El Padrino]

Let me tell you one thing billy.. mental advantages dont mean anything.. its when you have the loaded gun, facing your enemy, the willpower to shoot... thats what gets it done

[ShoogarBear]

Is Pop the only coach in the league who doesn't whine about plays to the press after a game?

Let's not sanitize Pop. I recall he used to do his fair share of whining in the media but sometime around 2000-2001 stopped. The Spurs wised up and are much more behind the scenes now.

[nkdlunch]

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/Sep05/26NobodyLovesUs.jpg

[T Park]

I recall he used to do his fair share of whining in the media

link?

[Scobe]

However, Avery has Cuban to do his whining to the press for him, so he doesn't count. :lol
:depressed :( :cry Ahh, Cubo the Crybaby. That guy should be in a starbucks somewhere... not running an NBA team. And the team cries as much as he does. :lol

[LEONARD]

I thought it was borderline...definitely not something they'd call at that point in the game though...


Tim did move, but SO WHAT. The Kings had the refs calling EVERYTHING for them. They need to STFU and deal because they had a 38-24 advantage going into overtime at the free throw line.

I don't understand why people point to # of FT's when talking about how officials call the game??!! The Kings got called for 29 fouls and the Spurs got called for 28. Seems pretty even to me?

Too many variables involved with # of FT's that come out of those fouls to only look at the # of FT's...

[Scobe]

Sacramento will have all the intangible mental advantages--return of Artest, played well in game 2, "we wuz robbed", must win, etc--in Game 3.

The Spurs have the advantage/disadvantage of being up two games which can affect their mental outlook positively or negatively. Let's see if they have the killer attitude of champions this year.
Sac. doesn't have any mental advantage. They know they will not get another game from Martin or SAR like the last one. And more than likely with Artest on the court will not get another game from Wells like that either. They know they gave their best shot and they still lost with the Spurs playing soft and sloppy. They now have the mentality of the guy who punches another guy in the face as hard as he can, and that guy doesn't even flinch. They know their best shot isn't good enough this year. No advantage there. Without Artest they played TEAM basketball and spread it around. SAR, Wells, Martin had 28, 27, 26. That's not happening again and they know it.

[picnroll]

Something about "mental advantage" and "return of Artest" just doesn't work for me. :lol

[pache100]

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/Sep05/26NobodyLovesUs.jpg :lmao (looks just like him!)

[CubanMustGo]

:depressed :( :cry Ahh, Cubo the Crybaby. That guy should be in a starbucks somewhere... not running an NBA team. And the team cries as much as he does. :lol

A man after my own heart. :lol

Hey, Cubes prolly DOES "run" the Mavs from a Starbucks. He basically only responds to interview questions via e-mail anyway.

[v2000]

Your thoughts?

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That late screen by Duncan that caught and buckled Mike Bibby while Barry dropped in the crushing three? Still bugs Adelman.

"I wasn't going to say anything (initially), but it was illegal," Adelman said. "That's supposed to be illegal. But we can say it's our fault. We should not have been in the position to get picked. That was our big mistake."


http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/14248509p-15065818c.html
it was definitley an illegal pick. he just stuck his leg out and tripped him. how the hell can that be clean?

[FreshPrince22]

It was an illegal pick, but they didn't call it, so what are you gonna do? There's no point in complaining. Bibby's an idiot for letting someone get between him and Brent anyways.

[picnroll]

It was an illegal pick, but they didn't call it, so what are you gonna do?
90% of NBA picks are illegal with some movement. By NBA standards that pick was textbook perfect.

[FreshPrince22]

90% of NBA picks are illegal with some movement. By NBA standards that pick was textbook perfect.


ehhh, it was fine on the initial contact, but then he stuck his leg out and leaned into him to stop him from even getting close. That's where it becomes illegal. But they aren't going to get bailed out in that situation. Adelman is an idiot for not telling each person to ignore everyone else and just stick to their own man. What harm would have been done if Manu scored that layup? None.

[infinite styles]

ehhh, it was fine on the initial contact, but then he stuck his leg out and leaned into him to stop him from even getting close. That's where it becomes illegal. But they aren't going to get bailed out in that situation. Adelman is an idiot for not telling each person to ignore everyone else and just stick to their own man. What harm would have been done if Manu scored that layup? None.

I thought that it was said that he did tell them to stick to their man. It was simply a player error on Bibby's part. And as for the screen it was clean IMO. Nothing more nothing less.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess we can pretend perennial DPOY candidate Mike Bibby would have gotten there and blocked the shot too.

[picnroll]

Duncan leg was already out he didn't move it. He may have leaned to his left but you could make just as good an argument that Bibby running into through his balance that way. But like I said you call that a foul and you have to call 90% of picks a foul and 100% of Ben's.

Don't want to post the footage here but here (http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=505327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=588) is a link to another site that shows the play.

[Taco]

Adelman, game 2 - It was illegal (pick)

http://www.igourmet.com/images/productsLg/gratingcheeseasst.jpg

Here ya go Ricky!!!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Not to be homerish, but Magic Johnson and the TNT crew agreed it was nice and legal..:baby to Adelman. Ha-Ha.

Besides, you could argue the damage was already done after the initial contact. Then Bibby on the floor was already colliding with Duncan and both were "moving" from the contact. It wasn't too obvious. Bibby falling for it and realizing "SHIT!!" his error, just made Duncan's hard screen look bad--and Bibby's case somewhat sympathetic from the Kings POV.

But Bibby wasn't holding onto Brent anyway, so Adelman shouldn't be whining about the screen even if he ran at Barry, Barry would have got it off in time.

It was a good no-call.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Probably an illegal pick by the letter of the rules, but a suprisingly clean one given the situation. He didn't hold or push Bibby, which is more than you can say for about half the picks set these days.

[dbestpro]

The pick wasn't any worse than Raheem's push off (holding Duncan down) with the off hand as he made his last shot to give Sac. the advatage. When that I happened I figured the officials were going to let the players decide the outcome to a fault. If you think the pick was illegal and the officials didn't call it then they did their job because it made them consistent.

[ShoogarBear]

Actually I believe the extra leg by Duncan has been shown conclusively to be what cause the shot to not be a swish, so it actually helped the Kings.

[Scobe]

The pick aside, it was still a very tough corner shot for Barry because of the situation. No three is automatic, but that one is much easier to make in the 1st than with the game on the line in the 4th. It had some magic dust on it, but still a great shot at a critical time in the game. Besides, I can't figure out what Bibby was doing that far in the lane. He completely lost sight of his man, and that is a big NO NO.

[Obstructed_View]

The pick wasn't any worse than Raheem's push off (holding Duncan down) with the off hand as he made his last shot to give Sac. the advatage. When that I happened I figured the officials were going to let the players decide the outcome to a fault. If you think the pick was illegal and the officials didn't call it then they did their job because it made them consistent.
Exactly right. If they were going to swallow their whistles for the obvious clear out they aren't going to let Bibby flail his way into drawing a very questionable foul

[LilMissSPURfect]

:rolleyes get a grip!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

You don't hear the great coaches complain about alleged missed calls by the ref. I know he's fighting for his job and all, but just take it like and man and say we gave it our best effort but came up a little short.

No excuses.

[101A]

You don't hear the great coaches complain about alleged missed calls by the ref. I know he's fighting for his job and all, but just take it like and man and say we gave it our best effort but came up a little short.

No excuses.

You don't consider P. Jackson a great coach?

[pache100]

You don't consider P. Jackson a great coach?

Used to be. About the time he started whining to the media is about the time I stopped thinking he was a great coach. Maybe the reason he felt he had to start whining to the media is because he was less effective as a coach.

[v2000]

Duncan leg was already out he didn't move it. He may have leaned to his left but you could make just as good an argument that Bibby running into through his balance that way. But like I said you call that a foul and you have to call 90% of picks a foul and 100% of Ben's.

Don't want to post the footage here but here (http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=505327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=588) is a link to another site that shows the play.
so what if it was out? you still cant set picks with your leg. he also gave Bibby a bit of a push. and Bibby tried to spin around him, so im not sure where you guys think he just ran into Duncan. look again, but before doing so, get that homeristic point of view out of your head.

[picnroll]

so what if it was out? you still cant set picks with your leg. he also gave Bibby a bit of a push. and Bibby tried to spin around him, so im not sure where you guys think he just ran into Duncan. look again, but before doing so, get that homeristic point of view out of your head.
Practicing whining already for the next series?

No jackoff Mavs fan should ever complain about picks since moving screens are what the entire Mav's offense and Dirk are built around.

[pache100]

so what if it was out? you still cant set picks with your leg. he also gave Bibby a bit of a push. and Bibby tried to spin around him, so im not sure where you guys think he just ran into Duncan. look again, but before doing so, get that homeristic point of view out of your head.

You might look again, too, but get the hate out of your head first?

[Winnipeg_Spur]

No jackoff Mavs fan should ever complain about picks since moving screens are what the entire Mav's offense and Dirk are built around.
Yup, Dampier in particular seems to hold on EVERY screen.

[leemajors]

A man after my own heart. :lol

Hey, Cubes prolly DOES "run" the Mavs from a Starbucks. He basically only responds to interview questions via e-mail anyway.

i have seen cubes in no less than 2 PTI interviews in thelast month

[GattoBlaster]

That late screen by Duncan that caught and buckled Mike Bibby while Barry dropped in the crushing three? Still bugs Adelman.

"I wasn't going to say anything (initially), but it was illegal," Adelman said. "That's supposed to be illegal. But we can say it's our fault. We should not have been in the position to get picked. That was our big mistake."
This really didn't surprise anyone, did it? After all, Sacramento is in the heart of whine country. Cheese anyone?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

You don't consider P. Jackson a great coach?

Phil is all about head games, it's a little bit different. I think Adelman went back and called the pick illegal because he was catching so much heat from the media about his defensive set and leaving Barry wide open in the corner.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

The pick was illegal, but it wasn't called. As were many calls for both teams. I can't believe there are three pages of this thread on such a meaningless topic.

[leemajors]

i didn't even notice the pick, my attention was on menu. didn't look any different than any other pick i see from any other big man.

[TDMVPDPOY]

sounds like the second comin of mark cuban

[T Park]

The pick was illegal, but it wasn't called

Kinda makes up for all those illegal ones Webber, Divac, Pollard and other Kings cronies set every year eh?

[T Park]

A maverick fan scolding Spurs fans, on illegal picks isssssss sooooo pathetically hypocritical, its not even funny.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Kinda makes up for all those illegal ones Webber, Divac, Pollard and other Kings cronies set every year eh?
What does this have to do with anything?

The game was called horribly both ways. How does this "make up for something"???

[T Park]

:lol

I see Kings fan has lost its sense of humor after two losses.....

[jochhejaam]

He moved, before or after was incidental; he also pushed off before that. It's what great players do; know what they can get away with when.

Bottom line; if it isn't called, it's not a foul.
It's the playoffs, "no autopsy, no foul".

[KingsFanWithoutName]

:lol

I see Kings fan has lost its sense of humor after two losses.....I've still got my sense of humor, the fact is you are just not funny. :elephant

[T Park]

:yawn.

The fact is the board stinks when the opposing trolls come in.

Except Piston fan, they are the most logical and best to talk to.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

LOL.

Am I a troll because I've called you out on your nonsense posts? Please, I'd love for you to explain to me how I'm trolling.

Funny now that you are the one talking about logic when you hardly have a grasp of it yourself.

[boutons_]

KingsFanWithoutName

plonk! that didn't take long.

[Buddy Holly]

The Kings got called for 29 fouls and the Spurs got called for 28. Seems pretty even to me?

I'm gonna say that 4 of those 29 came in the overtime period when the Kings fouled on purpose.

[exstatic]

Adelman was a whiner in Portland. Some things never change.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Some things never change.Like Spurs fans starting threads to bitch about foul calls when it was 28 fouls to 29 fouls?

[T Park]

How many of the Kings fouls were intentional in the OT?


Thank you.

[Obstructed_View]

One would think that Rick Adelman would be able to lose a playoff game with some class. After all, he's had so much practice...

[Kori Ellis]

I've been reading a lot of team forums in the last couple games. Most fans (not just fans of the Kings) think that it was an illegal pick. Oh well. If he was moving, he wasn't moving enough that they were going to call it in that situation.

[SilverPlayer]

The illegal part of the pick wouldn't have made a lick of difference to whether Bibby would have gotten a hand in Barry's face...Bibby was already effectively neutralized when Duncan started to move/stumble, thus it is a good non call.

It was the only flaw in one of the best executed end of game plays I have ever seen.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

How many of the Kings fouls were intentional in the OT?


Thank you.
4. Such a difference.

Ever wonder why you don't here me whining about Bonzi fouling out on some weak touch call?


I can look at this game from an objective viewpoint, seems you have trouble doing the same...........................and your team won. :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

I've been reading a lot of team forums in the last couple games. Most fans (not just fans of the Kings) think that it was an illegal pick. Oh well. If he was moving, he wasn't moving enough that they were going to call it in that situation.

I wonder what those same people say about SAR clearing out with his off arm all night? The Spurs don't make excuses when they lose, but it seems like everyone else always has one. At some point don't you just have to win the game?

[Obstructed_View]

Ever wonder why you don't here me whining about Bonzi fouling out on some weak touch call?

If I were going to hazard a guess, I'd say because Bonzi knocked Manu to the ground and people would call you stupid if you called it a weak touch call.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

If I were going to hazard a guess, I'd say because Bonzi knocked Manu to the ground and people would call you stupid if you called it a weak touch call.I have trouble telling the difference between when Manu is actually fouled or when he is flopping. I've seen air knock the man over. He will soon take the crown from Divac.

[picnroll]

I've been reading a lot of team forums in the last couple games. Most fans (not just fans of the Kings) think that it was an illegal pick. Oh well. If he was moving, he wasn't moving enough that they were going to call it in that situation.
I read those same forums from time to time and they also believe:

1. Manu is a flopper, cheater and should be maimed.
2. Bowen is the dirtest player in the league and should be maimed or banned.
3. Duncan gets star treatment and should foul out of every game in the first half if the refs were fair.
4. Parker travels (oh yeah, Manu too) on every drive to the basket.

Only Rasho and Nazr go unscathed, a true sign of mediocricy.

Fact is with success the Spurs have also attracted more than their share of haters and less than of objective fan/critics. Any gray zone play you'll have more than half siding with Spurs' opponents. A price galdly paid for success.

[Obstructed_View]

I have trouble telling the difference between when Manu is actually fouled or when he is flopping. I've seen air knock the man over. He will soon take the crown from Divac.
Not surprising, since you can't tell the difference between a body check and a touch foul. And I'm waiting for a single example of Manu getting knocked down with no actual contact. You can go back as far as you like.

[exstatic]

Like Spurs fans starting threads to bitch about foul calls when it was 28 fouls to 29 fouls?
I think that was more a riposte to Adleman's whining.

Four fouls, if they're shooting fouls, is a difference of EIGHT FTs. I'd say that was relevant in a close game.

[picnroll]

I have trouble telling the difference between when Manu is actually fouled or when he is flopping. I've seen air knock the man over. He will soon take the crown from Divac.
... and Bonzi flopped like live salmon on the dock on that behind the back pass to Finley Manu made. But you have Kings fans crying Bonzi was trampled. He did Floppy Divac proud in that Kings uniform.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Not surprising, since you can't tell the difference between a body check and a touch foul. And I'm waiting for a single example of Manu getting knocked down with no actual contact. You can go back as far as you like.I'm searching now. May take a while as I'll have to search through a database of thousands of Manu flops. :bang

[Obstructed_View]

I'm searching now. May take a while as I'll have to search through a database of thousands of Manu flops. :bang
Good luck.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

I think that was more a riposte to Adleman's whining.No. It was made before that thread on Adelman's whining was made. Check the dates.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Good luck.
If I could only find a clip when Manu flopped and injured Barbosa. If I remember correctly, that was a gust of wind flop.

[Obstructed_View]

If I could only find a clip when Manu flopped and injured Barbosa. If I remember correctly, that was a gust of wind flop.
From the newspaper:

Suns coach Mike D'Antoni told the paper Ginobili "got tangled up a little bit" with Raja Bell when he stumbled backward, and "just to make his point, he was falling down."

"It was an accident," D'Antoni told the Republic.

[Spurs Dynasty]

Jeez, enough on this...


Spurs fans... this was a totally clean pick, you know it , i know it, the refs know it, Bibby should not have fallen asleep. Good job refs.


Kings fans.... what a freaking screw job ! The refs love the Spurs, they get ALL the calls. That pick was totally illegal. You were robbed - robbed I tell you !!!

[T Park]

:lol @ obstructed

TOtally owning the Kings troll.

[picnroll]

From the newspaper:

Suns coach Mike D'Antoni told the paper Ginobili "got tangled up a little bit" with Raja Bell when he stumbled backward, and "just to make his point, he was falling down."

"It was an accident," D'Antoni told the Republic.
Never let the facts interfere with a good delusion.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

From the newspaper:

Suns coach Mike D'Antoni told the paper Ginobili "got tangled up a little bit" with Raja Bell when he stumbled backward, and "just to make his point, he was falling down."

"It was an accident," D'Antoni told the Republic. From Barbosa:

“Ginobili always likes to flop,” Barbosa told The Arizona Republic. “Nobody even touched him.

“He jost flopped. That’s why I feel sad to hurt myself like that,” he added. “I wish I could have hurt myself in another way.”

[KingsFanWithoutName]

:lol @ obstructed

TOtally owning the Kings troll.Sounds like people around here own you as well.


Got any tickets for me pal? I'll be your friend, I promise.

[exstatic]

No. It was made before that thread on Adelman's whining was made. Check the dates.

Whatever. Adelman complains about one call, when his team got the benefit ( in terms of FTA) all night. I guess that's the point. What he should complain about is that his team couldn't close the deal. One possession after Duncan went out, Sacto was up 5. They were unable to take advantage of our All-NBA pivot chained to the bench for 5 minutes in the fourth. That's the bottom line, not some pick, moving or otherwise.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Whatever. Adelman complains about one call, when his team got the benefit ( in terms of FTA) all night. I guess that's the point. What he should complain about is that his team couldn't close the deal. One possession after Duncan went out, Sacto was up 5. They were unable to take advantage of our All-NBA pivot chained to the bench for 5 minutes in the fourth. That's the bottom line, not some pick, moving or otherwise.If you re-read my posts, no where have I blamed the loss on a non-call on that pick. Never.


The benefit of FTA's?????? Do some research first as to not make yourself look so foolish. SA 36 - SAC 38.

SAC got two more FT's :madrun :madrun :madrun

[FromWayDowntown]

And I'm waiting for a single example of Manu getting knocked down with no actual contact. You can go back as far as you like.

Just for fun . . . .

Manu DID royally flop in a playoff game in Seattle last year. Antonio Daniels was nearby and appeared to make contact with Manu, but the slow mo showed that AD made almost no contact; Manu fell down like he'd been shot by a sniper.

With that said, I think reports of Manu flopping are overblown. The dude takes a ton of contact and that contact is usually foul-worthy. He exaggerates the contact he sustains in some instances, but in many other cases, he doesn't have to do anything. Besides, he'd have to be about the best athlete in the history of mankind to have enough body control to play as hard as he does and still be effective while hunting for opportunities to flop.

Many great players over time have exaggerated contact; and Manu is hardly alone in his exaggeration -- just watch Dirk Nowitzki one night and tell me that there's a difference between what Dirk does and what Manu does, other than that Dirk gets to the line more.

[FromWayDowntown]

They benefit of FTA's?????? Do some research first as to not make yourself look so foolish. SA 36 - SAC 38.

SAC got two more FT's :madrun :madrun :madrun

Again, I think it's a bankrupt argument, but SAC had a substantial advantage at the end of regulation; the Spurs closed the gap in OT.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

The dude takes a ton of contact and that contact is usually foul-worthy. He exaggerates the contact he sustains in some instances, but in many other cases, he doesn't have to do anything.I agree with your take on Manu. Hell, the guy is a wild man that isn't afraid of anyone on the court. He takes a beating and gets up looking for another. I respect that aspect of his game and only hate him because he's not on my team. But the super drama flopping just kills me.

[T Park]

but SAC had a substantial advantage at the end of regulation; the Spurs closed the gap in OT.

about 6 that I remember, came off intentional fouls.

[A-Train]

Duncan should've applied a legal elbow to Bibby instead, I guess.

[FromWayDowntown]

about 6 that I remember, came off intentional fouls.

That's about right; the Spurs shot 12 of their 36 free throws in OT. I don't think SAC shot any, which would have made the number 38-24 at the end of regulation. But if the Spurs didn't like that differential, they shouldn't have committed fouls, whatever criteria the officials were using to make those calls.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Manu had 12 attempts and Parker had 7




Everyone else on your team is a perimeter player, besides Duncan, so its obvious why they weren't at the line all night. I really think some people are blowing this FT thing up a bit.

[FromWayDowntown]

I agree with your take on Manu. Hell, the guy is a wild man that isn't afraid of anyone on the court. He takes a beating and gets up looking for another. I respect that aspect of his game and only hate him because he's not on my team. But the super drama flopping just kills me.

As did Vlade's kill me. You'd have thought landmines were going off around Vlade when anyone made contact with him.

[FromWayDowntown]

Manu had 12 attempts and Parker had 7




Everyone else on your team is a perimeter player, besides Duncan, so its obvious why they weren't at the line all night. I really think some people are blowing this FT thing up a bit.

Well, Parker had 4 attempts in OT and Manu had at least 4 in OT.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

That's about right; the Spurs shot 12 of their 36 free throws in OT. I don't think SAC shot any, which would have made the number 38-24 at the end of regulation.Should I start a thread too and complain about this?


Not directed at you Downtown. I just found this ironic.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

As did Vlade's kill me. You'd have thought landmines were going off around Vlade when anyone made contact with him.
I always thought of Vlade's flops more consistent with that of a falling tree. He just kind of slowly fell back and landed with a hard thud. Manu has the amazing head jerk reaction no matter where he is hit. I think his hair adds to the effect.

[samikeyp]

I think his hair adds to the effect.

not so much this year though. Not as long and all on his face. :)

[T Park]

must be the beard....

[FromWayDowntown]

Should I start a thread too and complain about this?


Not directed at you Downtown. I just found this ironic.

Oh, I know. But, by the logic you applied earlier, the absence of FTA's makes sense. Here are the Kings' OT possessions (according to the play-by-play and using ESPN's shot chart):

4:36 - Bibby 20 foot jump shot (made)
3:58 - Bibby 22 foot jump shot (made)
3:24 - Bibby turnover
2:53 - Bibby 20 foot jump shot (missed)
2:27 - Hart offensive foul
1:57 - Abdur-Rahim 18 foot jump shot (missed)
1:37 - Abdur-Rahim 4 foot jump shot (made)
1:31 - Abdur-Rahim 5 foot turnaround (made)
1:10 - Bibby turnover
0:32 - Abdur-Rahim 23 foot jump shot (missed)
0:23 - Hart layup (made)
0:13 - Hart layup (missed)

By contrast, the Spurs took 7 FGA in overtime and made 4. The 4 makes were 2 foot (Nesterovic), 1 foot (Parker), 1 foot (Ginobili), 0 feet (Ginobili). The Spurs 3 misses were 9 feet (Parker), 12 feet (Duncan), and 17 feet (Ginobili).

Attacking would certainly seem to make a difference, at least in that context (though I realize that Manu got 3 FTA on the foul behind the arc).

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Oh, I know. But, by the logic you applied earlier, the absence of FTA's makes sense. Here are the Kings' OT possessions (according to the play-by-play and using ESPN's shot chart):
Very true. The Kings did the opposite of what they had been doing all night, attacking the rim. Reason being why I'm not complaining about a lack of FT attempts. Just pointing out how some Spurs fans here expected FT's when the Spurs were not attacking the basket.

You didn't need to post all those stats though. It sadly reminded me of Bibby's bonehead foul on Manu and his turnovers in OT. Thanks. :depressed

[exstatic]

Sacto was give a gift of many extra FTs in regulation. That they couldn't take advantage is going to haunt them. What Adelman was bitching about took place at the end of regulation, at which time Sacto had a DECIDED advantage in FTA.

Sacto choked. They couldn't close the deal. They ARE an eight seed, not some wonder team on the move. They are Denver, 2006.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Sacto choked. They couldn't close the deal. They ARE an eight seed, not some wonder team on the move. They are Denver, 2006.If choking is taking the defending champs to the brink on their own court only to be had by a lucky bounce on a last second three pointer, so be it.

[Spurs Dynasty]

This whole "lucky bounce" thing is getting to me. Not all shots hit nothing but net. So, is EVERY shot that bounces off the rim but manages to fall lucky? If that is the case, then i bet 50% of all shots made in the NBA are lucky.

So, we dont have a lot of talent in the NBA, but a bunch of lucky shot artists, eh?

[KingsFanWithoutName]

This whole "lucky bounce" thing is getting to me. Not all shots hit nothing but net. So, is EVERY shot that bounces off the rim but manages to fall lucky? If that is the case, then i bet 50% of all shots made in the NBA are lucky.

So, we dont have a lot of talent in the NBA, but a bunch of lucky shot artists, eh?
How many shots do you see from the corner hit the rim twice and then hit the top of the backboard only fall in?

What is so wrong with calling it lucky?

If it was a shot for my team I'd sure call it lucky, and I might even enjoy it more for the fact that the other team calls it lucky.

[T Park]

Of course.... DOnt you know better Spurs Dynasty?

Spurs cant beat anyone without luck shots.

Lots of lucky shots last saturday.

[Spurs Dynasty]

How many shots do you see from the corner hit the rim twice and then hit the top of the backboard only fall in?

What is so wrong with calling it lucky?

If it was a shot for my team I'd sure call it lucky, and I might even enjoy it more for the fact that the other team calls it lucky.

If it were Rasho or Nazi hitting it i might call it lucky, but Horry or Barry, KNOWN 3 pt shooters I call it another good shot. Dont get me wrong, i was delerious and did the dance of joy when the shot fell but i bet we could watch the game footage and come up with another 20-30 lucky shots, dont you think?

When a free throw bounces of the rim, backboard and manages to fall, the announcers call it the "shooters touch" or "shooters roll" not a lucky shot.

It is only a lucky shot when it is an opposing team.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

T Park-

Why do you keep following me around and replying to each of my posts? This isn't the best way to make friends you know. Giving away tickets to the games is a better approach, one you know all to well.

[Spurs Dynasty]

T Park-

Why do you keep following me around and replying to each of my posts? This isn't the best way to make friends you know. Giving away tickets to the games is a better approach, one you know all to well.

Hey, the next game is in your neck o the woods, YOU should be giving out game tickets... and maybe plane fare too. You would be MOST welcome here then. My address is...

[T Park]

replying to each of my posts

I was responding to Spurs Dynasty.

Obviously you can't read :elephant


This isn't the best way to make friends you know. Giving away tickets to the games is a better approach, one you know all to well.

I had friends before I gave away tickets asswhipe.

Why dont you slow your roll and stfu and learn how to show me some respect boy.

[Spurs Dynasty]

Of course.... DOnt you know better Spurs Dynasty?

Spurs cant beat anyone without luck shots.

Lots of lucky shots last saturday.


Yup, Spurs are just a bunch of lucky SOBs.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

When a free throw bounces of the rim, backboard and manages to fall, the announcers call it the "shooters touch" or "shooters roll" not a lucky shot.
A free throw is shot straight on. The backboard is there to help. A shot from Barry's angle requires an awkward, or lucky bounce to bank off the backboard. Whatever, I'm done arguing over whether it was luck or not. We will agree to disagree.

[v2freak]

Looked kind of illegal to me ! He's got a legitimate point

[KingsFanWithoutName]

I had friends before I gave away tickets asswhipe.And I'm sure you have many more after you've "hooked them up". I told you, if you get me tickets, I'll be your friend too!!!!


Why dont you slow your roll and stfu and learn how to show me some respect boy.Sorry, I can't respect a dude who brags about how much money he makes online and increases his friend count by handing out game tickets.

[fyatuk]

Manu DID royally flop in a playoff game in Seattle last year. Antonio Daniels was nearby and appeared to make contact with Manu, but the slow mo showed that AD made almost no contact; Manu fell down like he'd been shot by a sniper.


This just cracks me up given that Antonio Daniels and Manu probably end up on the floor more than any other players in the NBA.

If AD's playing, it's not a game until he's fallen on his face at least 3 times in a quarter, and at least one of those needs to be an uncontested slam! He always cracked me up with that statue of liberty to face plant slam...

Oh yeah, pick looked very illegal to me (Tim sets, then leans in a bit when Bibby tries to come underneat, then steps out when Bibby changes his mind and tries to go outside). But the game had absolutely horrible officiating anyway, so who cares.

[kris]

TPark, when did you start saying slow your roll?

On the illegal screen, everybody in the NBA is aware that just about everything goes in the last second out of bounds play. The refs usually refuse to call something like moving screen or holding. I remember in a previous Nets/Pacers playoff matchup Reggie Miller got wide open coming off a Jermaine O'Neal screen and blew the shot. They interviewed Jason Kidd afterwards and his man was Miller. He said, Obviously Jermaine set a good pick...

All Jermaine did was hold him for a second and a half.

That's the best example. That's pretty much how it goes.

[SANANTOJAMES]

maybe if the refs werent distracted by the 3 point shot they would of called the screen a foul. but thank god, it looks like they werent paying attention

[KingsFanWithoutName]

TPark, when did you start saying slow your roll?
When the kitchen got hot.

[Spurs Dynasty]

Look, I hate to be the one who says this fellow Spurs lovers, but lets admit it OK? Comeon, the Spurs can't win without lucky shots, flops, illegal picks or non called fouls.

Yes, I know, it hurts but once you come to terms with it you will feel such relief. It has been poor refereeing, magic shots and illegal plays that have gotten the Spurs to the playoffs 9 years running and 3 championships.

Deal with it.

[FromWayDowntown]

Very true. The Kings did the opposite of what they had been doing all night, attacking the rim. Reason being why I'm not complaining about a lack of FT attempts. Just pointing out how some Spurs fans here expected FT's when the Spurs were not attacking the basket.

You didn't need to post all those stats though. It sadly reminded me of Bibby's bonehead foul on Manu and his turnovers in OT. Thanks. :depressed

I think you and I are on the same page here. If it wasn't late -- and if I really cared about it -- I'd break down the rest of the game. I think the point is fairly obvious to anyone who watched the game.

By the way -- it's nice to have a reasonable conversation with an opposing fan, even during the playoffs. Regardless of what anyone else says to you, know that I hope you'll stick around here even after this series is over.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

I think you and I are on the same page here. If it wasn't late -- and if I really cared about it -- I'd break down the rest of the game. I think the point is fairly obvious to anyone who watched the game.

By the way -- it's nice to have a reasonable conversation with an opposing fan, even during the playoffs. Regardless of what anyone else says to you, know that I hope you'll stick around here even after this series is over.
I think we are on the same page as well. No need to break down the game, a loss is a loss, and a win is a win. The point doesn't seem to be obvious, hence the ongoing discussion in this thread.

Glad to hear you want me to stick around. I actually enjoy it here and love hearing your guys viewpoints. The booby avatars are awesome and you guys are blessed with freedom.

I especially love having my own bitch on this site............................Ms. T Park.

[Scobe]

And I'm sure you have many more after you've "hooked them up". I told you, if you get me tickets, I'll be your friend too!!!!

Sorry, I can't respect a dude who brags about how much money he makes online and increases his friend count by handing out game tickets.
What's wrong with giving people tickets?? From what i've seen on here he doesn't seem to require anything in return. Leave it to some ass hole to take a person's generosity and turn it into a negative. You've just showed that you are nothing more than a pessimistic ass who always looks for the bad in everyone. That is why you are constantly here bitching about this and that... :cry my kings lost, :cry the refs called a bad game, :cry artest didnt play, etc. etc. Here's a novel thought - stop bitching. :cry

[KingsFanWithoutName]

What's wrong with giving people tickets?? From what i've seen on here he doesn't seem to require anything in return.Looks he does require something in return:


Originally Posted by T Park




I dont think you deserve tickets because youve been nothing but a complete jerk to me, even when Ive tried to back you up.

Denied.





You've just showed that you are nothing more than a pessimistic ass who always looks for the bad in everyone. That is why you are constantly here bitching about this and that... :cry my kings lost, :cry the refs called a bad game, :cry artest didnt play, etc. etc. Here's a novel thought - stop bitching. :cryPlease oh please find a post with me on here bitching about the things you've listed. Good luck and happy hunting, you won't find squat.

[Scobe]

:flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff please oh please?? What are you a fucking pussy? :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff

[KingsFanWithoutName]

:flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff please oh please?? What are you a fucking pussy? :flipoff :flipoff :flipoff
Did you find a post with me complaining yet? Still looking?


And to answer your question, I am what I eat.

[Obstructed_View]

Just for fun . . . .

Manu DID royally flop in a playoff game in Seattle last year. Antonio Daniels was nearby and appeared to make contact with Manu, but the slow mo showed that AD made almost no contact; Manu fell down like he'd been shot by a sniper.

With that said, I think reports of Manu flopping are overblown.
Precisely the point of the exercise. Sam Cassell flopped twice on one sequence tonight, and they mentioned it and moved on. If Manu gets legitmately fouled, they go on and on about what a flopper he is. Then every mouth-breathing Kings troll comes in here during their four game sweep blaming Manu for their team's complete lack of heart or toughness.

[boutons_]

http://www.sacbee.com/static/rich_content_images/226423-0427kings.gif

[Obstructed_View]

Look, I hate to be the one who says this fellow Spurs lovers, but lets admit it OK? Comeon, the Spurs can't win without lucky shots, flops, illegal picks or non called fouls.

Yes, I know, it hurts but once you come to terms with it you will feel such relief. It has been poor refereeing, magic shots and illegal plays that have gotten the Spurs to the playoffs 9 years running and 3 championships.

Deal with it.
Don't forget about sissy basketball and dirty hacking slapping punching defense.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Don't forget about sissy basketball and dirty hacking slapping punching defense.

and the biggest reason why we won the 3 championships

not because the spurs were that good, but because the competition was that weak

[Obstructed_View]

and the biggest reason why we won the 3 championships

not because the spurs were that good, but because the competition was that weak
And David Stern loves the abysmal ratings, in spite of his tireless promotion of team basketball over superstars and highlight reels.

Should all these posts be in blue?

[exstatic]

If choking is taking the defending champs to the brink on their own court only to be had by a lucky bounce on a last second three pointer, so be it.
There are no game points for effort or coming close. It wasn't just that shot. Sacto let SA stay in the game. They didn't close the deal. THAT was the choke, clock time 10:00 to 5:00 in the 4th, with Duncan on the bench.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Then every mouth-breathing Kings troll comes in here during their four game sweep blaming Manu for their team's complete lack of heart or toughness.This ain't jumping the gun a bit is it?


P.S.- Love your new sig. Nice photoshop job on it.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

THAT was the choke, clock time 10:00 to 5:00 in the 4th, with Duncan on the bench.Duncan has pretty much been a non-factor. He is basically a decoy out there.

[pache100]

Duncan has pretty much been a non-factor. He is basically a decoy out there.

It's working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://i3.tinypic.com/wlye82.gif

[KingsFanWithoutName]

It's working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://i3.tinypic.com/wlye82.gif
Yes. It is working. The series is 2-0. Welcome to ARCO. :shootme

[pache100]

Yes. It is working. The series is 2-0. Welcome to ARCO. :shootme

I meant, he's faking YOU out (if you think he's no more than a decoy :lol ), so it's working!

[KingsFanWithoutName]

I meant, he's faking YOU out (if you think he's no more than a decoy :lol ), so it's working!
He is a decoy. He has obviously lost a step and is not as effective. Plus he's let SAR destroy him inside. Newsflash, Duncan is averaging 12 points a game this post season. Not the player he usually is.

[pache100]

He is a decoy. He has obviously lost a step and is not as effective. Plus he's let SAR destroy him inside. Newsflash, Duncan is averaging 12 points a game this post season. Not the player he usually is.

Still working! :lol :spin

[Obstructed_View]

He is a decoy. He has obviously lost a step and is not as effective. Plus he's let SAR destroy him inside. Newsflash, Duncan is averaging 12 points a game this post season. Not the player he usually is.
Yet the Kings still find themselves down 0-2. News flash: It won't get any better. Duncan will.

[FloppinIsGreat]

He is a decoy. He has obviously lost a step and is not as effective. Plus he's let SAR destroy him inside. Newsflash, Duncan is averaging 12 points a game this post season. Not the player he usually is.

Game 2 was the first meaningful game Duncan has played in a couple of weeks (game 1 was, as you know, a blowout so Duncan rested). If you think he isn't going to warm up and start putting up his 20 and 12 in the post season then you are ignorant as to how this team works. You don't just come off of resting for several games and dominate. Look at Detroit against the weak Bucks in game 1, they almost lost to that pitiful team until they started to warm up. TD should now be warming up nicely, and with this bad game under his belt the Spurs front line should be beefed up tremendously. Game 2 was your chance to catch the Spurs. Now it just got a lot harder. :lol

[KingsFanWithoutName]

Yet the Kings still find themselves down 0-2.
Congratulations on protecting your home court. That was more than expected. :elephant

[picnroll]

Kings have to win both games in Sac or you can start the autopsy. Wouldn't be surprised to see game three go to the Kings, maybe even a blowout. Then it'll likely be shower rod time for Kings' fans.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Congratulations on protecting your home court. That was more than expected. :elephant
:lol I bet that's your team's mantra right now. Every player was advised to keep telling themselves that after that chokefest.

Btw Horry says he loves visiting your place though. Brings back good memories I guess. Must be the nostalgia. :spin

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Wouldn't be surprised to see game three go to the Kings, maybe even a blowout. Then it'll likely be shower rod time for Kings' fans.

I don't see that happening...The Barry Bounce is gonna put the Spurs into focus, they won't take for granted the 48 minutes. I think they're gonna enjoy it in Arco and say "Hey if we can win it when we sucked in Game 2. All we have to do is not suck and go home early" It's gonna be a good match tonight for both sides anyway. But, Spurs can control the game if they're refocused like game 1. They won't get as much threes though unless the Kings don't adjust. But come on, 11, 12 consecutive 3's? I don't think they're gonna underestimate the shooters third time around...

anyway Game 4, who knows...but Game 3 needs to be won by the Spurs. It'll just add to their enjoyment. It's been a sadistic series so far, why stop now? :devil
Timmy and Co. should just go for it.

[picnroll]

The wakeup call of game two definitely does gives Pop an edge in getting the players focused. It would be nice to see Duncan come out super aggressive to start the game.