Arco Arena Question [Archive] - SpursTalk.com Forums

reydawg

05-03-2006, 06:26 PM

Honest question aimed at Kings fans...

Why do the Maloofs want to get rid of it? Everyone raves about the HCA and the collegiate atmosphere. Seems like a pretty big advantage to me.

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2006, 06:27 PM

money

luxury boxes

money

exstatic

05-03-2006, 06:28 PM

Yes, everyone in the arena is related...CLOSELY.

My guess is that the amenities (lux boxes) are scant. Believe me: the Maloofs will put up with a LOT less noise for a LOT more money. It's all about the Benjamins.

FromWayDowntown

05-03-2006, 06:28 PM

I'm just guessing, but I'd think it's probably not the cash cow that most other NBA arenas are. It's relatively small and has very few luxury boxes, which is the big ticket item for any owner. I would assume that there would be enough corporate interest to support more boxes in a bigger and newer arena.

Trainwreck2100

05-03-2006, 06:33 PM

luxury boxes

CosmicCowboy

05-03-2006, 06:35 PM

The lux boxes are a huge cash cow...the upper/lower suites like at the SBC are the latest rage and everyone wants them. They also make a fortune on concessions there. Average food/beverage tab on a suite is probably five grand and that is just for "cheap" stuff like fajitas.

reydawg

05-03-2006, 06:41 PM

luxury boxes

Well, duh.

But it looks like a little easy research helped me answer my own question. Beyond the obvious, apparently it doesn't have a great configuration for switching around between multiple events. Its ice-making capabilities are deficient, its roof leaks, and the walkways are cramped. Though I've never been, this report suggets Arco was just poorly planned in general.

http://www.nba.com/media/kings/Comstocks%20November%202005.pdf

I wonder if the city is really in danger of losing the team (Hellooo, Vegas) or if the Maloofs are just trying to gain leverage and aren't really serious about re-locating.

baseline bum

05-03-2006, 06:51 PM

I want to see a game there before it's replaced. I'm still pissed Sac lost to Dallas in 2003, because I would have def went to the road games of the WCF if they were in Sac that year.

reydawg

05-03-2006, 06:58 PM

I want to see a game there before it's replaced. I'm still pissed Sac lost to Dallas in 2003, because I would have def went to the road games of the WCF if they were in Sac that year.

Agreed. Despite our current situation with their team, I'm glad the Kings are showing signs of being pretty competitive for the next few years. If that place is as raucous as everyone says it is, it would be a shame for those fans to languish with a losing club.

Soultaco

05-03-2006, 07:11 PM

I've been going to concerts, fight and games there for years. There really isn't a bad seat in the house. Luxury boxes are lacking and that would be the main reason to replace it. It's also way out by the airport and the Maloofs want to set something up downtown like in San Antonio. There have been huge spreads in the paper here about the riverwalk and how the city would like to build a downtown scene like that. I think it's a cool arena just a bit outdated.

UtownSpur

05-03-2006, 07:31 PM

The AT&T is not in downtown SA.

Kori Ellis

05-03-2006, 07:39 PM

You guys dont know what you are all talking about. I have lived in Sac all my life so I will respond to this question. The main reason they want to move the arena is because of the current location. It is in Natomas right now which is more than 20 minutes away from Downtown. It would be financially smarter to move the arena downtown. Ticket prices will increase and parking fees will go up. Right now, ARCO is in the middle of fucking no where. I actually like how it is because there is rarely traffic. Also the arena needs to be updated (just because it is one of the older arenas in the L). I have been there over 50 times and I have never had any problems with it.

Who said anything incorrect in this thread?
The arena needs to be upgraded to include a lot more luxury boxes and suites or they have to move to a new one. Same thing in Seattle.

mikejones99

05-03-2006, 07:59 PM

They should burn it down after Friday. :lol

tw05baller

05-03-2006, 08:05 PM

braeden0613

05-03-2006, 08:11 PM

not that ATT is beautiful...but look at it

http://www.fkrohn.com/images_sights_of_sacto_1/arco_600x330.jpg

Soultaco

05-03-2006, 08:11 PM

I've been in Sac for over 20 years and know a little about what I'm talking about. Natomas isn't in the middle of nowhere anymore. They built about 40,000 houses out there in the last few years. I've never had a problem there either and it's close enough to all the freeways to get out of there pretty quick. Good location just outdated.

SA Gunslinger

05-03-2006, 08:14 PM

:lol

Where are all the responses from the Sac Fans? Bueller? Bueller?

Tony Montana

05-03-2006, 08:16 PM

Hey, fuck Sacramento. That's all i has to say...

"How'm I gonna get a scar like that eating pussy? "

Soultaco

05-03-2006, 08:18 PM

Kings fan are real quiet today, I work in a room full of them. They know whats coming, they get their little hearts ripped out every year about this time.

Tony Montana

05-03-2006, 08:29 PM

Kings... i'm the only King here mayne. Believe it.

"I'm Tony Montana! You fuck with me, you fuckin' with the best!"

reydawg

05-03-2006, 08:46 PM

Thanks, all. Informative responses.

For you Sacramento guys, what do you think the odds are of a new arena going up in the next few years?

reydawg

05-03-2006, 08:52 PM

Oh, and I found this article in the Sac Bee about this subject, for those who are interested...

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/12974799p-13821810c.html

Pretty good read, I think, because it shows a side-by-side of Arco vs. some of the new arenas, including our own SBC...errr AT&T Center.

NaS

05-03-2006, 08:54 PM

I know many of you don't like the site...but http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18

samikeyp

05-03-2006, 10:15 PM

Are Kings fans worried about losing that Arco advantage with a new building?

efrem1

05-03-2006, 10:31 PM

My take on the situation is of course the issue of luxury boxes. When I watched a SPurs-Kings game from one box a few years ago, it was pretty cramped. It had a TV, a private restroom and room for about six people. It is spartan by today's standards. I guess too that with the explosion of housing in the Natomas area, they might want to raze it to get more houses in there. Of course the dummies are building them in a flood plain, but hey they are pretty darn cool houses!!

LakerHater

05-03-2006, 11:48 PM

Hey what the hell is the 6 for???

ShoogarBear

05-03-2006, 11:57 PM

:lmao

From that article, this is the visitor's locker room at Arco. No joke.

http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/171-0529arco.jpg

ShoogarBear

05-04-2006, 12:00 AM

That is an interesting article.

The home locker room at the Toyota Center is 35,000 square feet! :wow

Nbadan

05-04-2006, 12:09 AM

Although the interior colors are nice, the AT&T Center looks like a big barn on the outside and should have been built downtown. There is nothing visually aesthetic about it.

mike detroit

05-04-2006, 12:49 AM

there would be tremendous crowd support regardless of the arena for the kings. it's not like people in Sac town have anything else to do. reminds me of another team... i kid, i kid...

Nbadan

05-04-2006, 12:57 AM

there would be tremendous crowd support regardless of the arena for the kings. it's not like people in Sac town have anything else to do. reminds me of another team... i kid, i kid...

You should spend a weekend in Downtown SA. It may be a one-horse town, but it draws a big carriage.

Sacramental

05-04-2006, 01:00 AM

ok first of all, the maloofs dont want to replace it, they're being FORCED to replace it by the NBA. downtown sac is growing rapidly so i wouldnt be surprised to see an arena there.

LakerHater

05-04-2006, 01:19 AM

Although the interior colors are nice, the AT&T Center looks like a big barn on the outside and should have been built downtown. There is nothing visually aesthetic about it. totally agree!!!

mike detroit

05-04-2006, 01:21 AM

You should spend a weekend in Downtown SA. It may be a one-horse town, but it draws a big carriage.

I don't doubt it. if i lived in san antonio, i'd be a big spurs fan too. fuck those other SA teams. (do you guys at least have a good AAA baseball team, some of them are pretty fun to watch?)

Soultaco

05-04-2006, 02:28 AM

Yeah 8 mile is a great place to visit too. Do you want to see where Eminems buddy got shot or where Bob Horry shot that game 5 three over the runner up Pistons?

Kori Ellis

05-04-2006, 02:32 AM

Although the interior colors are nice, the AT&T Center looks like a big barn on the outside and should have been built downtown. There is nothing visually aesthetic about it.

I believe it intentionally looked like a barn because of the rodeo, right?

Nbadan

05-04-2006, 02:35 AM

I believe it intentionally looked like a barn because of the rodeo, right?

Hummm...I've never heard that. I think it was to keep the price down. Remember that the Spurs had to stay within the county budget or pay the cost over-runs out of pocket.

trueD

05-04-2006, 03:37 AM

If you read the article (I can't, it's already 1:30 am. in the friggin' morning!) you learned that Arco was built on the fly for about 40 million. Before that games were played in a makeshift arena that only housed about 10,000 and is now an office building.

It is the second oldest arena still being used and yes, the guest accommodations are embarrassing. Maybe this is where we got the nickname "cow town" from. We really don't have cows!

I don't think the location is the problem, in fact it is quite easily accessible and traffic is very manageable. There is expansion going on all around the arena, soon it will blend in with the landscape, but who cares?

I think the main problem is it's age. There were studies done by architects, etc. recently and the report is the building is only good for about five more years without major, MAJOR overhaul. There have been appeals made to the city to help pay for a new arena, but for some reason there have been roadblocks. I think the city is asking Maloof's to pay more than a fair share. I personally believe someone will step and write a check, a community leader maybe. There are a few out there who can.

A new arena idea is at an impasse right now. We just need some money.

The Maloof's own the Palms Casino in Las Vegas and have an interest in glitz, I think they would like to see "their" team dressed in something pretty, and the boxes would be good for business in more ways than just paying the electric bill. They need boxes to make friends and make more friends...you get the idea. They are businessmen. They need luxury boxes to invite their friends to!

Which reminds me, do you guys hear Gavin whistling at AT&T Center when your guys are at the line? You can't miss it! They are our biggest fans, kind of like Mark Cuban but more sophisticated (just slightly). They are great.

Kori Ellis

05-04-2006, 03:39 AM

Which reminds me, do you guys hear Gavin whistling at AT&T Center when your guys are at the line? You can't miss it! They are our biggest fans, kind of like Mark Cuban but more sophisticated (just slightly). They are great.

I don't know if I can call them big fans.

They were pissed off and walked out of Game 1 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. I thought that was pretty pathetic.

trueD

05-04-2006, 03:45 AM

I don't know if I can call them big fans.

They were pissed off and walked out of Game 1 in the middle of the 3rd quarter. I thought that was pretty pathetic.Well good for them, they beat me by about 5 minutes.

There was dirty grout in a bathroom calling my name. :lol

travis2

05-04-2006, 07:20 AM

I believe it intentionally looked like a barn because of the rodeo, right?

Yes, Kori...obviously you were paying attention when they were building the place. :lol

travis2

05-04-2006, 07:22 AM

I don't doubt it. if i lived in san antonio, i'd be a big spurs fan too. fuck those other SA teams. (do you guys at least have a good AAA baseball team, some of them are pretty fun to watch?)

AAA, no...AA yes. SA Missions.

Shaolin-Style

05-04-2006, 07:26 AM

Las Vegas Kings has a ring to it, they can change their logo to a card

efrem1

05-04-2006, 09:53 AM

There have been appeals made to the city to help pay for a new arena, but for some reason there have been roadblocks. I think the city is asking Maloof's to pay more than a fair share. I personally believe someone will step and write a check, a community leader maybe. There are a few out there who can.

Miss USA:

Maybe the Tsakopoulos' (sic) or the Spanos family can make big contributions, but I think Mr. Spanos put in money to build the STockton Arena so his cashflow might be tight. To all people across the country, the state passed a Proposition a few years ago that requires a two-thirds vote of the people for taxes to be assess for anything. That is why the issue of taxpayer finance is being bogged down.

dtk

05-04-2006, 10:03 AM

seems like one could design a building with lots of boxes but still noisy

Tony Montana

05-04-2006, 02:55 PM