Official Referee Whining Thread (I have merged over 10 threads here)

[A-Train]

2003 Conf. Finals
Game 1 - Mavs 50 Spurs 48
Game 2 - Spurs 45 Mavs 22
Game 3 - Spurs 26 Mavs 6
Game 4 - Spurs 31 Mavs 13
Game 5 - Spurs 38 Mavs 23
Game 6 - Spurs 21 Mavs 11

Oh yeah, that was when the Spurs dropped the Mavs en route to their 2nd championship.

[A-Train]

like i already said GAME 1-MAVS 50 SPURS 48
However mavs made 49 of 50 while the spurs made only 31 of 48


Like I said, I don't give a shit what your ass has to say.

[ludoscok]

Oh yeah, that was when the Spurs dropped the Mavs en route to their 2nd championship.

Your right but our point is where were your "Official Referee Whining Threads" then when the free throws were completly in the Spurs favor...

[Mavs_man_41]

omg you guys are just making yourselves look ignorant by continuing to whine about the officiating....don't you think if the NBA was fixed we would know about it by now? Hence, the 1919 world series.

[SpursGo25]

Dont be fooled into thinking the refs made mistakes. They knew what they were doing. These PROFESSIONAL officials are completely capable of calling a fair game, they CHOSE not to do so today and tuesday, and they CHOOSE not to do so quite often. The reason? Obviously the NBA brass (ie Stern) lets the refs continue to completely screw up with no reprocussion, so the call must come from the NBA office on who gets screwed and when. If it was legitimate, the league office would FIRE these refs that continue to screw up horribly in so many games. The NBA is all about ENTERTAINMENT, not basketball. And the fact is that the Mavs (with the AJ story) is a far better story for ENTERTAINMENT than the Spurs. So therefore the Spurs get hammered by the refs. This isnt the first time, the Spurs have had to battle the refs for all 3 of the championships, but it was always small and subtle before. This is the first time I can recall where it is SO OBVIOUS and BLATANT.

Dont ever think that Stern cares about basketball and integrity. All he cares about is MONEY and it shows in the games. When you go to an NBA game, what do you see? You see acrobats, clowns, kids chasing money around, a coyote, etc. This isnt about basketball anymore. Stern only wants ENTERTAINMENT, and that is when games start to get fixed (just like the WWE - World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT). The truth is the Spurs dont sell ENTERTAINMENT to a wide market like other teams because fans have been conditioned to only want ENTERTAINMENT and not good basketball. Because Stern has gone away from promoting the GAME of basketball the GAME becomes secondary to ENTERTAINMENT. And it will continue to get worse until either the fans or some third party in power (i.e. Congress) puts a stop to it.

[Tek_XX]

omg you guys are just making yourselves look ignorant by continuing to whine about the officiating....don't you think if the NBA was fixed we would know about it by now? Hence, the 1919 world series.

I for one think the officiating in the NBA is just plain incompetant, and i also think you're an idiot.

[Mavs_man_41]

Dont be fooled into thinking the refs made mistakes. They knew what they were doing. These PROFESSIONAL officials are completely capable of calling a fair game, they CHOSE not to do so today and tuesday, and they CHOOSE not to do so quite often. The reason? Obviously the NBA brass (ie Stern) lets the refs continue to completely screw up with no reprocussion, so the call must come from the NBA office on who gets screwed and when. If it was legitimate, the league office would FIRE these refs that continue to screw up horribly in so many games. The NBA is all about ENTERTAINMENT, not basketball. And the fact is that the Mavs (with the AJ story) is a far better story for ENTERTAINMENT than the Spurs. So therefore the Spurs get hammered by the refs. This isnt the first time, the Spurs have had to battle the refs for all 3 of the championships, but it was always small and subtle before. This is the first time I can recall where it is SO OBVIOUS and BLATANT.

Dont ever think that Stern cares about basketball and integrity. All he cares about is MONEY and it shows in the games. When you go to an NBA game, what do you see? You see acrobats, clowns, kids chasing money around, a coyote, etc. This isnt about basketball anymore. Stern only wants ENTERTAINMENT, and that is when games start to get fixed (just like the WWE - World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT). The truth is the Spurs dont sell ENTERTAINMENT to a wide market like other teams because fans have been conditioned to only want ENTERTAINMENT and not good basketball. Because Stern has gone away from promoting the GAME of basketball the GAME becomes secondary to ENTERTAINMENT. And it will continue to get worse until either the fans or some third party in power (i.e. Congress) puts a stop to it.

:lol lol stfu you troll

[SA210]

Refs Suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[samikeyp]

yet still no proof of a conspiracy.

[Mavs_man_41]

I for one think the officiating in the NBA is just plain incompetant, and i also think you're an idiot.

good call troll

[ludoscok]

Dont be fooled into thinking the refs made mistakes. They knew what they were doing. These PROFESSIONAL officials are completely capable of calling a fair game, they CHOSE not to do so today and tuesday, and they CHOOSE not to do so quite often. The reason? Obviously the NBA brass (ie Stern) lets the refs continue to completely screw up with no reprocussion, so the call must come from the NBA office on who gets screwed and when. If it was legitimate, the league office would FIRE these refs that continue to screw up horribly in so many games. The NBA is all about ENTERTAINMENT, not basketball. And the fact is that the Mavs (with the AJ story) is a far better story for ENTERTAINMENT than the Spurs. So therefore the Spurs get hammered by the refs. This isnt the first time, the Spurs have had to battle the refs for all 3 of the championships, but it was always small and subtle before. This is the first time I can recall where it is SO OBVIOUS and BLATANT.

Dont ever think that Stern cares about basketball and integrity. All he cares about is MONEY and it shows in the games. When you go to an NBA game, what do you see? You see acrobats, clowns, kids chasing money around, a coyote, etc. This isnt about basketball anymore. Stern only wants ENTERTAINMENT, and that is when games start to get fixed (just like the WWE - World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT). The truth is the Spurs dont sell ENTERTAINMENT to a wide market like other teams because fans have been conditioned to only want ENTERTAINMENT and not good basketball. Because Stern has gone away from promoting the GAME of basketball the GAME becomes secondary to ENTERTAINMENT. And it will continue to get worse until either the fans or some third party in power (i.e. Congress) puts a stop to it.

That is the biggest load of Bullshit i have ever heard...if the NBA were actually trying to "fix" this series then they would want the Spurs and the Pistons to rematch in the finals. I cant comprehend how you could actually believe this load of crap.

[SA210]

yet still no proof of a conspiracy.
One just needs to watch a replay of the 4th quarter and also game 2.

[Tek_XX]

:lol lol stfu you troll

ugh brand new mavs fans coming in here calling people trolls

[Mr. Peabody]

The Spurs must be really good to have overcome the NBA conspiracy last year....

Or were they part of the conspiracy last year...?!?

[Mavs_man_41]

Refs Suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SA210, ive been coming to this site for a couple of days now and the only posts you have made are complaints about the refs.....do you actually know anything about basketball?

[Tek_XX]

That is the biggest load of Bullshit i have ever heard...if the NBA were actually trying to "fix" this series then they would want the Spurs and the Pistons to rematch in the finals. I cant comprehend how you could actually believe this load of crap.

I believe your mother is a whore.

[Mavs_man_41]

I believe your mother is a whore.

you obviously know nothing about basketball you are just hear to annoy people.

[ludoscok]

I believe your mother is a whore.

nice comeback...really shows an in-depth view on this series...nice touch by throwing in the whole mother line on mothers day...

[MavsFanSinceDayOne]

Hey what happened?
Game 1 didn't come up on your post. It might be my computer. Damn!

Ok ... sorry .. I left out game 1, but I also left out games 5 and 6. So here it is again -- all 6 games of the 2003 playoff series.

Game 1: Mavs 50 Spurs 48
Game 2: Spurs 45 Mavs 22
Game 3: Spurs 26 Mavs 6
Game 4: Spurs 31 Mavs 13
Game 5: Spurs 38 Mavs 23
Game 6: Spurs 21 Mavs 11

So..... it's a big deal to you and everyone else here that the Mavs got 2 more free throws than the Spurs in game 1???

What about the next 5 games when the Spurs basically got DOUBLE or more free throws than the Mavericks in each of those playoff games!?!?!??? Even though Game 5 wasn't double, It still was much more than what the Mavs had.

Let me see you talk your way out of those stats....

[samikeyp]

One just needs to watch a replay of the 4th quarter and also game 2.

again..no proof that there is an NBA conspiracy against the Spurs.

I understand your frustration and I share it but its only Game 3. The Spurs are far from out of this.

[SpursGo25]

yet still no proof of a conspiracy.
How much proof do you need? There is plenty of proof. Go back and look at how much these refs (who have been in the NBA for YEARS) have called completely one sided games over the years (especially in the Stern era). They continuously screw up yet are not terminated or even suspended for their horrible work. Any legitimate entity would get rid of poor performers, and yet the NBA PROMOTES them. Why are they PROMOTED to the title of head official? When they continue to screw up? It's obvious - just open your damn eyes. You people are lazy sheep who have been conditioned to take whatever bullshit gets thrown to you. Think for yourself and look at the evidence.

[MissAllThat]

Sane person: Hey look Dallas missed a shot, nice stop by the Spurs.
A-hole ref (insert name here): foul on the Spurs, probably Tim Duncan, let me confer with the others.
A-hole ref (possibly the same name as above): yes, it was Tim Duncan...oh well, thats 6, guess that means you're out of here na ne na ne boo boo
Spurs fan: f***ing pieces of grrr aaaahhhh ::throws phone at window::: i hope you die Dirk you pansy

Or maybe its just me....

[Tek_XX]

SA210, ive been coming to this site for a couple of days now and the only posts you have made are complaints about the refs.....do you actually know anything about basketball?

She knows the refs suck. Do you know anything about the Mavs, you've probably only been a fan for a week.

[Mavs_man_41]

She knows the refs suck. Do you know anything about the Mavs, you've probably only been a fan for a week.

actually ive been a mavs fan for years, and during the 2003 season when we played the spurs in the western finals i watched all 82 games.

[Tek_XX]

nice comeback...really shows an in-depth view on this series...nice touch by throwing in the whole mother line on mothers day...


If you don't like it Mavs troll you can go back to Mavstalk or whatever lame message board you came from.

[Leetonidas]

you obviously know nothing about basketball you are just hear to annoy people.

How ironic. :lol

[samikeyp]

How much proof do you need? There is plenty of proof. Go back and look at how much these refs (who have been in the NBA for YEARS) have called completely one sided games over the years (especially in the Stern era). They continuously screw up yet are not terminated or even suspended for their horrible work. Any legitimate entity would get rid of poor performers, and yet the NBA PROMOTES them. Why are they PROMOTED to the title of head official? When they continue to screw up? It's obvious - just open your damn eyes. You people are lazy sheep who have been conditioned to take whatever bullshit gets thrown to you. Think for yourself and look at the evidence.

So....because I choose not to agree with you...I am not thinking?

I want proof that the NBA is conspiring against the Spurs.

if this were true...you think they would let Det and SA in the finals last year? Wouldn't they have found away for the Lakers to get out of the 1st round to help increase the odds of having that TV market..entertainment..in the finals? Does this mean that the Spurs or Mavs will have no chance against the Clips who will, by this definition, beat Phoenix?

[SA210]

SA210, ive been coming to this site for a couple of days now and the only posts you have made are complaints about the refs.....do you actually know anything about basketball?
Rewatch both of the last games. and when you see non calls for the Spurs, look and see Javie watching the play right there and swallowing his whistle.

Rewatch the 4th quarter of this game.
The refs screwed us bigtime. I don't think You know anything about basketball, you clearly don't have any eyes to see the obvious.

[SpursGo25]

That is the biggest load of Bullshit i have ever heard...if the NBA were actually trying to "fix" this series then they would want the Spurs and the Pistons to rematch in the finals. I cant comprehend how you could actually believe this load of crap.
THe NBA doesnt want the Spurs and Pistons in the finals!! That was the lowest rated finals in YEARS!! Why would they want that? They want a story that gets people to watch and leads to higher ratings and more advertising dollars. The NBA is desperate. A FUCKING NASCAR RAIN DELAY beat a matchup of Lebron and Kobe (notice they market it like that too, not Cavs - Lakers) in the ratings during April. They are fucking extremely desperate, and they know that the Suns, Mavs, or even the damn Clipps would provide much more of a story that that "same old boring Spurs team". I love watching the Spurs and Pistons play because they play team ball. Stern doesnt want that because he only markets superstars and entertainment, not good basketball. He wants a story that turns into good ratings.

[braeden0613]

Ok ... sorry .. I left out game 1, but I also left out games 5 and 6. So here it is again -- all 6 games of the 2003 playoff series.

Game 1: Mavs 50 Spurs 48
Game 2: Spurs 45 Mavs 22
Game 3: Spurs 26 Mavs 6
Game 4: Spurs 31 Mavs 13
Game 5: Spurs 38 Mavs 23
Game 6: Spurs 21 Mavs 11

So..... it's a big deal to you and everyone else here that the Mavs got 2 more free throws than the Spurs in game 1???

What about the next 5 games when the Spurs basically got DOUBLE or more free throws than the Mavericks in each of those playoff games!?!?!??? Even though Game 5 wasn't double, It still was much more than what the Mavs had.

Let me see you talk your way out of those stats....
that was 3 years ago...do you think the Mavs deserve something?? Lets remember that the Mavs were still _allas back then and the Spurs were very aggressive.

[Mavs_man_41]

Rewatch both of the last games. and when you see non calls for the Spurs, look and see Javie watching the play right there and swallowing his whistle.

Rewatch the 4th quarter of this game.
The refs screwed us bigtime. I don't think You know anything about basketball, you clearly don't have any eyes to see the obvious.

No, what's obvious is that people like you are too dumb too see that your spurs got outplayed. So instead you make excuses like a coward.

[Tek_XX]

Rewatch both of the last games. and when you see non calls for the Spurs, look and see Javie watching the play right there and swallowing his whistle.

Rewatch the 4th quarter of this game.
The refs screwed us bigtime. I don't think You know anything about basketball, you clearly don't have any eyes to see the obvious.

He has eyes, he just likes what he sees. Dirk falls down: phantom tripping
Tony falls down: mavs ball

[ludoscok]

If you don't like it Mavs troll you can go back to Mavstalk or whatever lame message board you came from.

i resent to being called a troll...im not posting on here just to piss off spurs fans. I just want to make comments about the games that we play against yall. I dont ussually resort to insulting people (or their mothers on mothers day) just because they dont agree with me.

[Mavs_man_41]

i resent to being called a troll...im not posting on here just to piss off spurs fans. I just want to make comments about the games that we play against yall. I dont ussually resort to insulting people (or their mothers on mothers day) just because they dont agree with me.

amen

[MavsFanSinceDayOne]

that was 3 years ago...do you think the Mavs deserve something?? Lets remember that the Mavs were still _allas back then and the Spurs were very aggressive.

It's funny how people think the Spurs "were very aggressive" back then, and how they think the Mavs cannot be that way now.

[SpursGo25]

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So....because I choose not to agree with you...I am not thinking?

I want proof that the NBA is conspiring against the Spurs.

if this were true...you think they would let Det and SA in the finals last year? Wouldn't they have found away for the Lakers to get out of the 1st round to help increase the odds of having that TV market..entertainment..in the finals? Does this mean that the Spurs or Mavs will have no chance against the Clips who will, by this definition, beat Phoenix?
The league cannot outright fix basketball because the players, coaches and teams would have to go along. That is why they use the officials to do it. DID YOU WATCH THE LAKERS - SUNS?? The league gave the Lakers so many calls down the stretch to win - the Lakers lost because they are that much worse than the Suns. The officials can only be so bad or else it will be completely obvious. The Spurs series is different. The Mavs are a great team, and the league only has to screw the Spurs in a quarter because the games are so close. I dont care if you agree with me, but I dont see how you cannot see the writing on the wall here. Its only about entertainment and money, and the Spurs dont bring either.

[picnroll]

For those of you who have been complaining about the number of free throws we (Mavs) got... is your memory really that short? Here are the stats of the number of free throws from the 2003 playoffs between the Mavs and Spurs:

Game 2: Spurs 45 Mavs 22
Game 3: Spurs 26 Mavs 6
Game 4: Spurs 31 Mavs 13

Where were your cries for "fair officiating" back then?
Wasn't that when that bozo Nelson was doing the Hack a Bruce? Nice try dildo.

[SA210]

No, what's obvious is that people like you are too dumb too see that your spurs got outplayed. So instead you make excuses like a coward.
Cowards?

We aren't the ones that need the refs to call bogus crap for us to win a series. Obviously your team needs that.

Let them play or call it fair.

As I said before, anyone who rewatches the last 2 games can see the BS.

[Mavs_man_41]

The league cannot outright fix basketball because the players, coaches and teams would have to go along. That is why they use the officials to do it. DID YOU WATCH THE LAKERS - SUNS?? The league gave the Lakers so many calls down the stretch to win - the Lakers lost because they are that much worse than the Suns. The officials can only be so bad or else it will be completely obvious. The Spurs series is different. The Mavs are a great team, and the league only has to screw the Spurs in a quarter because the games are so close. I dont care if you agree with me, but I dont see how you cannot see the writing on the wall here. Its only about entertainment and money, and the Spurs dont bring either.

If this is all true then why are the spurs the winners of 4 of the last 8 championships?

[samikeyp]

SpursGo...I simply don't agree with your interpretation...doesn't make me right or you wrong or vice versa. Just because you say there is a conspiracy doesn't mean there is one...just like if I say their isn't means there is not. Its just a difference of opinion.

[SpursGo25]

Ok ... sorry .. I left out game 1, but I also left out games 5 and 6. So here it is again -- all 6 games of the 2003 playoff series.

Game 1: Mavs 50 Spurs 48
Game 2: Spurs 45 Mavs 22
Game 3: Spurs 26 Mavs 6
Game 4: Spurs 31 Mavs 13
Game 5: Spurs 38 Mavs 23
Game 6: Spurs 21 Mavs 11

So..... it's a big deal to you and everyone else here that the Mavs got 2 more free throws than the Spurs in game 1???

What about the next 5 games when the Spurs basically got DOUBLE or more free throws than the Mavericks in each of those playoff games!?!?!??? Even though Game 5 wasn't double, It still was much more than what the Mavs had.

Let me see you talk your way out of those stats....

If those are the legit stats then you are probably right. This has been going on for a while, just not as blatant as now. The Spurs with DROB retiring was a much better story for Entertainment than the Mavs that year. So look what happened...

[Mavs_man_41]

Cowards?

We aren't the ones that need the refs to call bogus crap for us to win a series. Obviously your team needs that.

Let them play or call it fair.

As I said before, anyone who rewatches the last 2 games can see the BS.

you say "we are teh ones that need the refs to call bogues crap for us to win a series." I didnt know you played for the spurs.

[Mr. Peabody]

If this is all true then why are the spurs the winners of 4 of the last 8 championships?

Because the Spurs are so good they have overcome the conspiracy concocted by the evil Stern.

And it's 3 out of the last 7. Soon it will be 4 out of the last 8.

[SA210]

do you actually know anything about basketball?



If this is all true then why are the spurs the winners of 4 of the last 8 championships?
Um, it's 3 Championships. :lmao

[SA210]

you say "we are teh ones that need the refs to call bogues crap for us to win a series." I didnt know you played for the spurs.
Didn't you know? I'm Bruce Bowen.

[Mavs_man_41]

Um, it's 3 Championships. :lmao

im sorry my mistake

[Mavs_man_41]

Didn't you know? I'm Bruce Bowen.

haha :lol

[SpursGo25]

If this is all true then why are the spurs the winners of 4 of the last 8 championships?
For two of the Championships the Spurs were a good story. They didnt get hammered like they have the last two games.

I'm not saying that the Spurs dont deserve blame for losing. They should have played better and can still play better. The Mavs played great. What I am saying is that the league has an agenda, and will do what is necessary to get what they want. Not a conspiracy, just an agenda to matchup teams that will get ratings. If they need to call games one way or another to make it happen then they will. They are desperate because even fucking HOCKEY is bigger in the US than basketball. Stern has done such a piss poor job of marketing the GAME that he now has to resort to this shit to get ratings. Dont forget that the NFL and even MLB are KILLING the NBA in ratings and advertising money. That is a fact.

[samikeyp]

Maybe Mavs man was being prophetic. :)

[Mavs_man_41]

Maybe Mavs man was being prophetic. :)

sorry no chance :D

[A-Train]

I just find it amusing that fans of an organization who has systematically bitched, grovelled and whined about officiating for the last 6 or 7 years should chastise fans of other teams for questioning calls in the postseason. Seriously. Shut the fuck up.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Game 1: Mavs 50 Spurs 48
Game 2: Spurs 45 Mavs 22
Game 3: Spurs 26 Mavs 6
Game 4: Spurs 31 Mavs 13
Game 5: Spurs 38 Mavs 23
Game 6: Spurs 21 Mavs 11

Aw good, those stats have me feeling optomistic. The NBA will look at the tapes, see how the refs embarrassed themselves and the league tonight and make a big effort to call the game fairly (hell maybe even slightly pro-Spurs) the rest of the way, just like 2003.

[Mavs_man_41]

I just find it amusing that fans of an organization who has systematically bitched, grovelled and whined about officiating for the last 6 or 7 years should chastise fans of other teams for questioning calls in the postseason. Seriously. Shut the fuck up.

im sorry that mav trolls in the past have complained about officiating, because i never had gone that low and never will.

[SA210]

Look, you guys say what you want.

My honest opinion (which I believe 1000% to be true) is that the refs truly screwed us in this game and we still may have lost game 2, but they also called a horrible game there as well.

But We came out and played awesome in the 4th quarter.
We played great.

We need to come out like that from the tip in game 4, FROM THE TIP, and play some old fashioned style SPURS DEFENSE, and hoping that refs don't screw us again, we should have it in the bag.

Because simply, I think Timmy's pissed.

[Mavs_man_41]

I just find it amusing that fans of an organization who has systematically bitched, grovelled and whined about officiating for the last 6 or 7 years should chastise fans of other teams for questioning calls in the postseason. Seriously. Shut the fuck up.

also telling me to shut the fuck up only wont make me stop talking and only makes you look dumb.

[SpursGo25]

I dont have anything against you people, just offering what is coming to be a very obvious reality. I hate it. I hate writing it. I love basketball, but competitive basketball. I dont want the Mavs to get jobbed or any other team to get jobbed. But when you look at the games and see what is continuously going on with no reprocussion, then things start to look very suspicious. I wish the NBA had a better commissioner with a better marketing plan that actually marketed basketball and not all the FLUFF. Not ENTERTAINMENT - just excellent basketball and excellent officiating creating excellent games. That's not too much to ask for. Hopefully we'll find out in the future why the officials are so bad yet continue to get promoted and retained. If I am wrong, then that is the question that I want answered. WHY ARE THESE HORRIBLE OFFICIALS STILL HERE?? They have been bad for a long time, get rid of them if this league is legit. That's all I want. Fairly called Sports to watch. Why shouldnt all of you demand the same??

[A-Train]

also telling me to shut the fuck up only wont make me stop talking and only makes you look dumb.

Nah, it just makes it clear that my assessment was correct. Just go, man. I never understood the desire of someone to troll the fan forum of an opposing team. I guess it involves freon and a case of Milwaukee's Best.

[samikeyp]

Obvious...in your opinion.

Just because someone else sees it different doesn't make them wrong.

[Mavs_man_41]

Nah, it just makes it clear that my assessment was correct. Just go, man. I never understood the desire of someone to troll the fan forum of an opposing team. I guess it involves freon and a case of Milwaukee's Best.

hmmm...maybe the reason im here is to talk basketball with people who know the game, not the likes of you. Fuck off

[Tek_XX]

im sorry that mav trolls in the past have complained about officiating, because i never had gone that low and never will.

you're a good mavs troll, now back to mavstalk you go.

[SpursGo25]

Obvious...in your opinion.

Just because someone else sees it different doesn't make them wrong.
Answer the question then:

Why are these refs still retained? It is a proven fact that they do a horrible job. Just look at the tapes of games they have called. It's no coincidence that NBA officials get called out by fans, media, players, owners more than all other sports combined. Why are they still there? That is what I want to know.

[Tek_XX]

hmmm...maybe the reason im here is to talk basketball with people who know the game, not the likes of you. Fuck off

You're only here to talk smack dude, don't be fake

[samikeyp]

That I don't know, SpursGo. I agree with you that the officiating has been horribly inconsistent but it has been that way, IMO, all season long and not just in games involving the Spurs.

I still do not believe that the league is conspiring against the Spurs.

[Mavs_man_41]

You're only here to talk smack dude, don't be fake

what have I said that is considered "talking smack"

[Mavs_man_41]

Im not allowed to talk basketball because im a mavs fan? Now thats generalizing.

[SpursGo25]

That I don't know. I agree with you that the officiating has been horribly inconsistent but it has been that way, IMO, all season long and not just in games involving the Spurs.

I still do not believe that the league is conspiring against the Spurs.
Exactly!!! It has been that way all season and for many seasons past. Why then are these officials retained?? There has to be a reason. The only reason that makes sense is because they are doing what the league wants them to do. Otherwise the league would have gotten rid of them a long time ago.

These refs are either
1) Screwing up on purpose
or
2) Too damn horrible at their job that they are an embarrasment.

Either way, they should be FIRED IMMEDIATELY. So why havent they? Shouldnt we as fans demand an answer to this?

[Tek_XX]

the league supposedly looks at tape to see what calls were missed. But i don't think the elite like Javie have to worry about the league telling them there fired becuase in there view "refs make mistakes"

[Mavs_man_41]

Exactly!!! It has been that way all season and for many seasons past. Why then are these officials retained?? There has to be a reason. The only reason that makes sense is because they are doing what the league wants them to do. Otherwise the league would have gotten rid of them a long time ago.

These refs are either
1) Screwing up on purpose
or
2) Too damn horrible at their job that they are an embarrasment.

Either way, they should be FIRED IMMEDIATELY. So why havent they? Shouldnt we as fans demand an answer to this?

hey if you have a problem with the way the games are called and you can do so much better than go get a job as an NBA ref.

[Tek_XX]

what have I said that is considered "talking smack"

just being here after a mavs win, you're not here to discuss "basketball" you're just here to tell people to stop "blaming the refs"

Will you be here when the spurs move on? If you are, i'll apoligize

[whottt]

MavFan....when the owner of your team has a blog he uses to whine about officiating after every loss....you lose the right to ever call out anyone else for bitching about the officiating.


A-Train said it best...

Just shut the fuck up.

[SpursGo25]

hey if you have a problem with the way the games are called and you can do so much better than go get a job as an NBA ref.
I dont want to be an NBA ref because I have integrity.

I have been a high school ref in Texas for over 5 years. And I have never seen anything like this at any level of basketball. I played basketball in high school and college, and never saw any officiating this bad this consistently. That is why I know there is something going on. If a lowly high school ref such as myself can officiate games with other high school ref crews that are consistently fair (not that I dont make mistakes, but I definitely DO NOT call games one sided like the NBA refs do), then why can't PROFESSIONAL refs do the same? I have never been chastised for calling a game one sided in my life. It isnt hard to be consistent on both ends of the court - I know from experience.

[Mavs_man_41]

MavFan....when the owner of your team has a blog he uses to whine about officiating after every loss....you lose the right to ever call out anyone else for bitching about the officiating.

no, i dont have anything to do with mark cuban so therefore i dont los the right to call out people for bitching about the officiating. You act like im best friends with the guy. Believe it or not there are mavs fans who dont approve of mark cuban.

[Mavs_man_41]

I dont want to be an NBA ref because I have integrity.

I have been a high school ref in Texas for over 5 years. And I have never seen anything like this at any level of basketball. I played basketball in high school and college, and never saw any officiating this bad this consistently. That is why I know there is something going on. If a lowly high school ref such as myself can officiate games with other high school ref crews that are consistently fair (not that I dont make mistakes, but I definitely DO NOT call games one sided like the NBA refs do), then why can't PROFESSIONAL refs do the same? I have never been chastised for calling a game one sided in my life. It isnt hard to be consistent on both ends of the court - I know from experience.

nba games are alot different from high school...

[Tek_XX]

I dont want to be an NBA ref because I have integrity.

I have been a high school ref in Texas for over 5 years. And I have never seen anything like this at any level of basketball. I played basketball in high school and college, and never saw any officiating this bad this consistently. That is why I know there is something going on. If a lowly high school ref such as myself can officiate games with other high school ref crews that are consistently fair (not that I dont make mistakes, but I definitely DO NOT call games one sided like the NBA refs do), then why can't PROFESSIONAL refs do the same? I have never been chastised for calling a game one sided in my life. It isnt hard to be consistent on both ends of the court - I know from experience.


a ref says NBA refs are horrible, that about verifies it for me.

[whottt]

Go call him out for whining and bitching about the refs....he does it more than we do...

Do you get it?

Us bitching about it here...this is just fan venting...When your guy does it? He's trying to influence the league...

Do you get it?

You forum policing would have more credibility if you weren't the fan of a team whose owners whines incessantly about the officiating and has been fined millions for doing so...

Do you get it?

So either you are stupid...or you are a hypocrite...but either way, you'd sound a lot more intelligent if you just STFU.

[Tek_XX]

nba games are alot different from high school...

fouls are fouls idiot.

[Mavs_man_41]

Go call him out for whining and bitching about the refs....he does it more than we do...

Do you get it?

Us bitching about it here...this is just fan venting...When your guy does it? He's trying to influence the league...

Do you get it?

You forum policing would have more credibility if you weren't the fan of a team whose owners whines incessantly about the officiating and has been fined millions for doing so...

Do you get it?

So either you are stupid...or you are a hypocrite...but either way, you'd sound a lot more intelligent if you just STFU.

im sorry mark cuban is a dumbass....although this has nothing to do with me. It doesn't matter what he does I say that all this complaining and bitching is for losers.

[SpursGo25]

nba games are alot different from high school...
No, the rules are basically the same. The main difference is the "charging" semi circle under the basket... but that is pretty damn easy to call. Foot in - automatic block unless the offensive player lowers a shoulder or pushes off.

OTherwise - it's the same game buddy.

[Mavs_man_41]

fouls are fouls idiot.
yes fouls are fouls....this has nothing to do with the differences between high school basketball and the nba dumbass.

[samikeyp]

Same game but high schoolers don't usually get star treatment. Something I have never agreed with.

[Leetonidas]

im sorry mark cuban is a dumbass....although this has nothing to do with me. It doesn't matter what he does I say that all this complaining and bitching is for losers.

So Mavs = losers?

[Mavs_man_41]

No, the rules are basically the same. The main difference is the "charging" semi circle under the basket... but that is pretty damn easy to call. Foot in - automatic block unless the offensive player lowers a shoulder or pushes off.

OTherwise - it's the same game buddy.

yea and i guess high school basketball has the 8 second rule too right?

[whottt]

im sorry mark cuban is a dumbass....although this has nothing to do with me. It doesn't matter what he does I say that all this complaining and bitching is for losers.


So basically you are a fan of losers?

[Mavs_man_41]

So Mavs = losers?

no, cuban+whiney little spurs fans= losers

[Mavs_man_41]

So basically you are a fan of losers?

no, cuban is a loser. The mavs players i cheer for are not.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The fans of a team that has won 3 rings in the last 7 years saying the NBA league office conspires against them is goddamn funny.

The officiating has nothing to do with it, the Spurs are being outplayed...

[whottt]

I got an idea of a new sig for you...

I am fan of the Mark Cuban owned Dallas Mavericks...whining and bitching about the officiating is for losers.


I think that's the perfect sig for you.

[Tek_XX]

No, the rules are basically the same. The main difference is the "charging" semi circle under the basket... but that is pretty damn easy to call. Foot in - automatic block unless the offensive player lowers a shoulder or pushes off.

OTherwise - it's the same game buddy.

and yet many refs don't comprehend that circle. Some ignore it and some are very strict. It all depends on the ref that night. Consistancy is the NBA's problem.

[SpursGo25]

im sorry mark cuban is a dumbass....although this has nothing to do with me. It doesn't matter what he does I say that all this complaining and bitching is for losers.

I see that you are perfectly happy when a game is handed to your team unfairly, but you most certainly would be upset if you were robbed of a game due to officiating. Mavs fans (as well as all fans not from LA) should be damn upset about this because they have all been robbed at times. When you play a team that has a better story and better Entertainment value it very well may happen to you. Besides, do you want to win a game that is handed to you? That isnt right and it isnt sport. All fans should be outraged at how the league retains horrible officials, not just Spurs fans.

[Mavs_man_41]

The fans of a team that has won 3 rings in the last 7 years saying the NBA league office conspires against them is goddamn funny.

The officiating has nothing to do with it, the Spurs are being outplayed...

exactly my point, just quit making excuses and may the best team win. And if the mavs lose this series i will be here to congradulate the better team.

[whottt]

The fans of a team that has won 3 rings in the last 7 years saying the NBA league office conspires against them is goddamn funny.

The officiating has nothing to do with it, the Spurs are being outplayed...


Uh whether it is a conspiracy or not...the officiating is ass in this series.

[Tek_XX]

no, cuban+whiney little spurs fans= losers

oh you don't talk smack, well aren't you the little two faced troll.

[Mavs_man_41]

I see that you are perfectly happy when a game is handed to your team unfairly, but you most certainly would be upset if you were robbed of a game due to officiating. Mavs fans (as well as all fans not from LA) should be damn upset about this because they have all been robbed at times. When you play a team that has a better story and better Entertainment value it very well may happen to you. Besides, do you want to win a game that is handed to you? That isnt right and it isnt sport. All fans should be outraged at how the league retains horrible officials, not just Spurs fans.

yea but you are forgetting the part where the mavs win fair and square, quit making excuses

[SpursGo25]

yea and i guess high school basketball has the 8 second rule too right?
10 second, but come on buddy... arent we splitting hairs here? A monkey can be trained to count to 8

All of the basic rules of the game remain the same. Fouls remain the same.

[Mavs_man_41]

oh you don't talk smack, well aren't you the little two faced troll.

i only talk smack to dumb people like you. For the most part im here to talk basketball with knowledgable NBA fans.

[Mavs_man_41]

10 second, but come on buddy... arent we splitting hairs here? A monkey can be trained to count to 8

All of the basic rules of the game remain the same. Fouls remain the same.

Except for the fact that high school basketball is much more rough and and THE FOULS ARE NOT called the same. You can get away with much more in high school basketball.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Uh whether it is a conspiracy or not...the officiating is ass in this series.


The officiating is god awful league-wide and has been that way for years. You can't bash opposing teams' fans for complaining when you win and then promptly do they exact same thing they do when you lose.

[Tek_XX]

i only talk smack to dumb people like you. For the most part im here to talk basketball with knowledgable NBA fans.

i'm still not getting where you're nothing but an atagonistic Mavs troll.

[Tek_XX]

Except for the fact that high school basketball is much more rough and and THE FOULS ARE NOT called the same. You can get away with much more in high school basketball.

I really doubt you know what you're talking about.

[SpursGo25]

yea but you are forgetting the part where the mavs win fair and square, quit making excuses
The mavs didnt win fair and square. That was obviously a horribly called game that gave the Mavs the win. No question about it. Lets say there is no agenda by the league here - even so, this league allows extremely incompetent officials to continue to screw up games. That isnt right and they should replace them. Why havent they? If you want to gloat in this illigetimate victory then so be it, but dont fucking whine ONCE when these incompetent officials screw your team over again buddy...

[Mavs_man_41]

The officiating is god awful league-wide and has been that way for years. You can't bash opposing teams' fans when you win for complaining and then promptly do they exact same thing they do when you lose.

I dont complain win we lose, the better team always wins as in games 1,2, and 3.

[Mavs_man_41]

The mavs didnt win fair and square. That was obviously a horribly called game that gave the Mavs the win. No question about it. Lets say there is no agenda by the league here - even so, this league allows extremely incompetent officials to continue to screw up games. That isnt right and they should replace them. Why havent they? If you want to gloat in this illigetimate victory then so be it, but dont fucking whine ONCE when these incompetent officials screw your team over again buddy...

if professional basketball was fixed we would know about it right now, just like the 1919 world series.

[Tek_XX]

I dont complain win we lose, the better team always wins as in games 1,2, and 3.

Good you'll be here after game 4 then.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Face it, the NBA has become nothing more than the WWE with a ball. When you get that through your head, repeat it a couple of times, it takes some of the sting out of it.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

if professional basketball was fixed we would know about it right now, just like the 1919 world series.

Saying it's fixed taints the Spurs' championship they won last year. It makes no sense...

[Mavs_man_41]

Face it, the NBA has become nothing more than the WWE with a ball. When you get that through your head, repeat it a couple of times, it takes some of the sting out of it.

If you think this way then why are u here. If the nba is fixed then why care about it enough to post here.

[SpursGo25]

Except for the fact that high school basketball is much more rough and and THE FOULS ARE NOT called the same. You can get away with much more in high school basketball.
Not true. High school games have traditionally been called tighter. I call traveling when a player picks up his pivot foot before putting down a dribble. I call players for jumping on another players back for a rebound. I call players for hooking and illegal screens. These arent called much in the NBA. If the NBA wants to have a looser game, then fine. But do it every game for every team that plays. When teams start to get screwed over and the officiating is consistently lopsided then there is a serious problem.

[SA210]

Face it, the NBA has become nothing more than the WWE with a ball. When you get that through your head, repeat it a couple of times, it takes some of the sting out of it.
We agree on basketball alot and hate eachother's politics.

:lmao

[Mavs_man_41]

Good you'll be here after game 4 then.

yes, whether the spurs or mavs win ill be here

[Tek_XX]

Saying it's fixed taints the Spurs' championship they won last year. It makes no sense...

The league doesn't like the pistons, what can i say

[Mavs_man_41]

Not true. High school games have traditionally been called tighter. I call traveling when a player picks up his pivot foot before putting down a dribble. I call players for jumping on another players back for a rebound. I call players for hooking and illegal screens. These arent called much in the NBA. If the NBA wants to have a looser game, then fine. But do it every game for every team that plays. When teams start to get screwed over and the officiating is consistently lopsided then there is a serious problem.

thats so not true, in high school players get away with much more contact and there are alot more no-calls.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The league doesn't like the pistons, what can i say

Fucking Stern fixed that one too...


:fro

[samikeyp]

I thought the league just fixed games for the Lakers. :lol

[Mavs_man_41]

I don't get it if the NBA is fixed then why are u all still here. If it was fixed it would all be stupid and pointless.

[Mr. Peabody]

The league doesn't like the pistons, what can i say

Or the Suns, Sonics, and Nuggets.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Anyone say anything about those two seconds that disappeared near the end there? They blew the whistle to send Nowitzki to the line with about 10 seconds left, and the clock didn't stop until it was at 7.9, they never corrected it, either.

Not that this would've changed the outcome or anything, but it did seem a little odd and I would like an explanation of how the refs can let that happen at the end of a really close playoff game.

[SpursGo25]

Saying it's fixed taints the Spurs' championship they won last year. It makes no sense...
It's very possible. That's why I am so pissed. I want to watch teams win fairly, and the entire league has allowed refs to perform horribly with no reprocussion. No one is replaced. No one is fined or suspended. Players and Coaches are fined or suspended if they point out these lopsided, horrible jobs. I know the Pistons and Mavs have been screwed before and have benefited from their opponents being screwed just like the Spurs. This isnt about the Spurs. It's about incompetent officials being retained - which makes the league look suspicious.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I thought the league just fixed games for the Lakers. :lol


They tend to fix all the games that your team loses. Funny how it works that way, eh?

[Mavs_man_41]

They tend to fix all the games that your team loses. Funny how it works that way, eh?

:lol

[Mr. Peabody]

Anyone say anything about those two seconds that disappeared near the end there? They blew the whistle to send Nowitzki to the line with about 10 seconds left, and the clock didn't stop until it was at 7.9, they never corrected it, either.

Not that this would've changed the outcome or anything, but it did seem a little odd and I would like an explanation of how the refs can let that happen at the end of a really close playoff game.

I did notice that. I guess the timekeeper was trying to get the clock down as much as he could. It worked. The Spurs had to take a bad shot at the end.

[Tek_XX]

Anyone say anything about those two seconds that disappeared near the end there? They blew the whistle to send Nowitzki to the line with about 10 seconds left, and the clock didn't stop until it was at 7.9, they never corrected it, either.

Not that this would've changed the outcome or anything, but it did seem a little odd and I would like an explanation of how the refs can let that happen at the end of a really close playoff game.

I noticed that too, just add it to the list.

[SA210]

I did notice that. I guess the timekeeper was trying to get the clock down as much as he could. It worked. The Spurs had to take a bad shot at the end.
I knew you believed it. :lol

[SpursGo25]

thats so not true, in high school players get away with much more contact and there are alot more no-calls.
It depends on who calls the games. In region one in dallas that may be the case. Here in region 4 we call it close. But that doesnt matter... what does matter is that the games are called fairly most of the time. That means consistent for both teams. And we arent professionals. So why cant the professionals do the same?

[Mavs_man_41]

I did notice that. I guess the timekeeper was trying to get the clock down as much as he could. It worked. The Spurs had to take a bad shot at the end.

more excuses.....hey guess what if the spurs were ahead they wouldnt have needed that bad shot. Sometimes there are bad calls, good teams makes sure they dont affect the outcome

[Mavs_man_41]

It depends on who calls the games. In region one in dallas that may be the case. Here in region 4 we call it close. But that doesnt matter... what does matter is that the games are called fairly most of the time. That means consistent for both teams. And we arent professionals. So why cant the professionals do the same?

yea im from around dallas and its really rough out here most of the time.

[Tek_XX]

:lol

No this is more than you're usual lose, many spurs fans feel like their getting the short end of a lot of calls. These "whining" threads, so titled by the webmasters or whoever, don't come up that often.

[Mr. Peabody]

I knew you believed it. :lol

That's not a conspiracy. That's a timekeeper trying to keep his job. :lol

From what I remember, Pop chewed out our timekeeper after the ".3" game.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Except for the fact that high school basketball is much more rough and and THE FOULS ARE NOT called the same. You can get away with much more in high school basketball.

Dude, you should have quit while you were kind of behind instead of carrying on and removing all doubt. The NBA is about 384,283,912 times more physical than high school ball.

Go home.


If you think this way then why are u here. If the nba is fixed then why care about it enough to post here.

Because I love my team numb nuts. I love basketball, I'm from SA, grew up watching the Spurs, and love watching them play. Just because the league has an alternate agenda doesn't change any of that.

This is a Spurs board, why are you here whining about what Spurs fans think? You've got a scroll button, use it.

[SpursGo25]

yea im from around dallas and its really rough out here most of the time.
Over the last five years i've worked with officials that call lopsided games because they suck at officiating. And guess what - they GET REPLACED!! Now if the UIL in Texas can realize when officials suck and replace them, surely the NBA could do the same. If they wanted to.

[Mr. Peabody]

more excuses.....hey guess what if the spurs were ahead they wouldnt have needed that bad shot. Sometimes there are bad calls, good teams makes sure they dont affect the outcome

Not an excuse, just an observation. All timekeepers do it to some extent. I wished our timekeeper would have done it in '04 against the Lakers.

Besides 7.9 seconds should have been more than enough time.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No this is more than you're usual lose, many spurs fans feel like their getting the short end of a lot of calls. These "whining" threads, so titled by the webmasters or whoever, don't come up that often.

That's just not true. They don't come up that often because the Spurs don't lose that often. But when they do lose, you can count on these type of threads to pop up, just like fans of any team in any sport. Spur Fan is no different...

[Mavs_man_41]

Dude, you should have quit while you were kind of behind instead of carrying on and removing all doubt. The NBA is about 384,283,912 times more physical than high school ball.

Go home.



Because I love my team numb nuts. I love basketball, I'm from SA, grew up watching the Spurs, and love watching them play. Just because the league has an alternate agenda doesn't change any of that.

This is a Spurs board, why are you here whining about what Spurs fans think? You've got a scroll button, use it.

im not whining, its the spur trolls doing plenty of that

[Tek_XX]

Over the last five years i've worked with officials that call lopsided games because they suck at officiating. And guess what - they GET REPLACED!! Now if the UIL in Texas can realize when officials suck and replace them, surely the NBA could do the same. If they wanted to.

i agree, our problem here isn't some conspiracy, cause for real who really cares about the mavs, our problem is incompetant officiating.

[SpursGo25]

That's just not true. They don't come up that often because the Spurs don't lose that often. But when they do lose, you can count on these type of threads to pop up, just like fans of any team in any sport. Spur Fan is no different...
Honestly, do any of you in this forum think that the officiating in the NBA is good. Or even acceptable??

[SPARKY]

Spurs have won playing 5 on 8 before.

[whottt]

The officiating is god awful league-wide and has been that way for years. You can't bash opposing teams' fans for complaining when you win and then promptly do they exact same thing they do when you lose.


Sure I can...watch me...

[Mavtek]

It's very possible. That's why I am so pissed. I want to watch teams win fairly, and the entire league has allowed refs to perform horribly with no reprocussion. No one is replaced. No one is fined or suspended. Players and Coaches are fined or suspended if they point out these lopsided, horrible jobs. I know the Pistons and Mavs have been screwed before and have benefited from their opponents being screwed just like the Spurs. This isnt about the Spurs. It's about incompetent officials being retained - which makes the league look suspicious.

Funny, then don't hate on Cuban, cause he's actually the made the NBA hold these guys somewhat accountable for poor officiating.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Not an excuse, just an observation. All timekeepers do it to some extent. I wished our timekeeper would have done it in '04 against the Lakers.
I don't know exactly what the timekeeper is in charge of, but I'm pretty sure in the 0.4 situation, and any situation like it, the clock is actually started by the refs. They have some electronic button on their belt, or something.

[Mavs_man_41]

i agree, our problem here isn't some conspiracy, cause for real who really cares about the mavs, our problem is incompetant officiating.

who cares about the mavs :lol
You do realize that dallas is 10 times bigger than san antonio and has more fans dont you?

[Tek_XX]

That's just not true. They don't come up that often because the Spurs don't lose that often. But when they do lose, you can count on these type of threads to pop up, just like fans of any team in any sport. Spur Fan is no different...

Threads, to this degree, no not really. Spurs fans are hot over this series.

[Mavs_man_41]

Funny, then don't hate on Cuban, cause he's actually the made the NBA hold these guys somewhat accountable for poor officiating.

Lol, some people say cuban complains too much about officiating but at the same time say they only want the officiating in the NBA to improve. Doesn't make any sense.

[SA210]

who cares about the mavs :lol
You do realize that dallas is 10 times bigger than san antonio and has more fans dont you?
10X bigger?

[SpursGo25]

i agree, our problem here isn't some conspiracy, cause for real who really cares about the mavs, our problem is incompetant officiating.
I know, our problem is incompetent officiating. What makes me wonder about the "conspiracy" or "agenda" of the league is that the league has never done anything to fix this problem. It has been a major problem for years and the league has done nothing. The league has even go so far as to go "Nazi" and suspend or fine anyone who mentions the bad officiating. So much for constructive criticism. The fact that the league has not fired ANY of these officials who are doing a horrible job is what makes me think that the league actually WANTS the officials to call games a certain way even if it is lopsided. Otherwise why would they keep them?

[Mr. Peabody]

I don't know exactly what the timekeeper is in charge of, but I'm pretty sure in the 0.4 situation, and any situation like it, the clock is actually started by the refs. They have some electronic button on their belt, or something.

Yeah, you might be right. Although, I remember reading that Pop was upset at the timekeeper after the Laker game. Maybe the refs start the clock, but the timekeeper stops it after the play.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

im not whining, its the spur trolls doing plenty of that

That's rich. You've been nothing other than a Mavs troll the entire time on this site. Frankly I don't see why you're not banned, you've contributed exactly zero intelligent basketball discussion to the forum and do nothing but run smack and try to come off as a condescending asshole.

[Mavs_man_41]

10X bigger?

ok, maybe an exaggeration

[Mavs_man_41]

That's rich. You've been nothing other than a Mavs troll the entire time on this site. Frankly I don't see why you're not banned, you've contributed exactly zero intelligent basketball discussion to the forum and do nothing but run smack and try to come off as a condescending asshole.

and all this ref complaining contributes so much to intelligent basketball discussion right? hypocrite

[beachbarbie948]

Gah this has been the crappiest officiating I've seen since...well...the last Lakers game I watched...lol. But seriously...

[SA210]

and all this ref complaining contributes so much to intelligent basketball discussion right? hypocrite
It's actually true that the refs screwed the Spurs.

[Tek_XX]

who cares about the mavs :lol
You do realize that dallas is 10 times bigger than san antonio and has more fans dont you?

the city of san antonio is bigger than the city of Dallas moron. Gawd you went to Dallas ISD didn't you. And who cares how many fans you have, you're losers.

[SpursGo25]

Funny, then don't hate on Cuban, cause he's actually the made the NBA hold these guys somewhat accountable for poor officiating.
I dont hate Cuban. Ive never hated Cuban. I think he has a major point and has for years. I think the league should be accountable. I like that Cuban harps on the horrible officiating - all owners should do the same. But Cuban shouldnt just look for instances where HIS team is screwed. Find all of the horrible officiating jobs and reference them and demand change.

[Mavs_man_41]

the city of san antonio is bigger than the city of Dallas moron. Gawd you went to Dallas ISD didn't you. And who cares how many fans you have, you're losers.

Im talking about population, more population=more possible mavs fans

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

and all this ref complaining contributes so much to intelligent basketball discussion right? hypocrite

This coming from a fan of a team whose owner has dropped about 10 million in fines criticizing officials.

You might want to revise that hypocrite comment.

Plus, like I said, it's a Spurs forum. Of course we're going to critique the officiating in a game where your jump shooting prima donna got to shoot as many FTs as our entire time and you won by one point. That's bullshit.

But like I said, it's a Spurs forum, no one put a gun to your head to be here, so if you don't like what Spurs fans are talking about on a Spurs fan web site, fuck off. www.mavstalk.com

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Sure I can...watch me...


And honestly, there is nothing strange about doing it. Being a hypocrite sometimes goes along with being a fan...

[SA210]

Why hasn't Mark Cuban complained about officiating in this series?

[Mavs_man_41]

the city of san antonio is bigger than the city of Dallas moron. Gawd you went to Dallas ISD didn't you. And who cares how many fans you have, you're losers.

we're losers? good 1

[Mavs_man_41]

Why hasn't Mark Cuban complained about officiating in this series?

uh where were you after game 1?

[Tek_XX]

I dont hate Cuban. Ive never hated Cuban. I think he has a major point and has for years. I think the league should be accountable. I like that Cuban harps on the horrible officiating - all owners should do the same. But Cuban shouldnt just look for instances where HIS team is screwed. Find all of the horrible officiating jobs and reference them and demand change.

Yeah Cuban did make the league start reviewing officials, but who cares, it's not like they punish officials

[Tek_XX]

we're losers? good 1

3 rings to how many

[greyforest]

Dont be fooled into thinking the refs made mistakes. They knew what they were doing. These PROFESSIONAL officials are completely capable of calling a fair game, they CHOSE not to do so today and tuesday, and they CHOOSE not to do so quite often. The reason? Obviously the NBA brass (ie Stern) lets the refs continue to completely screw up with no reprocussion, so the call must come from the NBA office on who gets screwed and when. If it was legitimate, the league office would FIRE these refs that continue to screw up horribly in so many games. The NBA is all about ENTERTAINMENT, not basketball. And the fact is that the Mavs (with the AJ story) is a far better story for ENTERTAINMENT than the Spurs. So therefore the Spurs get hammered by the refs. This isnt the first time, the Spurs have had to battle the refs for all 3 of the championships, but it was always small and subtle before. This is the first time I can recall where it is SO OBVIOUS and BLATANT.

Dont ever think that Stern cares about basketball and integrity. All he cares about is MONEY and it shows in the games. When you go to an NBA game, what do you see? You see acrobats, clowns, kids chasing money around, a coyote, etc. This isnt about basketball anymore. Stern only wants ENTERTAINMENT, and that is when games start to get fixed (just like the WWE - World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT). The truth is the Spurs dont sell ENTERTAINMENT to a wide market like other teams because fans have been conditioned to only want ENTERTAINMENT and not good basketball. Because Stern has gone away from promoting the GAME of basketball the GAME becomes secondary to ENTERTAINMENT. And it will continue to get worse until either the fans or some third party in power (i.e. Congress) puts a stop to it.

congress wont do anything give me a break
:lol :lol :lol

NBA runs their own show and can do whatever they want.

but i agree with you, this game is damning evidence that the league pushes teams they want to win with officiating.

[Mavs_man_41]

3 rings to how many

if you count this year 3 rings to 1

[SpursGo25]

and all this ref complaining contributes so much to intelligent basketball discussion right? hypocrite
Do you think that NBA officials do an excellent job? I'm sure you have noticed that they are horrible, it just so happens that this time your team benefited and wasnt screwed. But it might not be that way next time. I want you to explain to me why the NBA keeps horrible officials who dont do their job correctly and call lopsided games. What possible reason would the NBA have for keeping these guys around when they could get other officials who do a great job. College BBall doesnt have this problem. High School BBall across the nation doesnt have this problem. So why does the NBA? Explain it to me....

[SA210]

uh where were you after game 1?
If you're talking about his blog, it was said that it was something we wrote earlier in the season and reposted it.

Where are his complaints on officiating in This series?

[Tek_XX]

if you count this year 3 rings to 1

oh convincing argument, umm so whens the parade.

[SPARKY]

if you count this year 3 rings to 1

:lol Good one.

[Mavs_man_41]

Do you think that NBA officials do an excellent job? I'm sure you have noticed that they are horrible, it just so happens that this time your team benefited and wasnt screwed. But it might not be that way next time. I want you to explain to me why the NBA keeps horrible officials who dont do their job correctly and call lopsided games. What possible reason would the NBA have for keeping these guys around when they could get other officials who do a great job. College BBall doesnt have this problem. High School BBall across the nation doesnt have this problem. So why does the NBA? Explain it to me....

in my opinion there is no conspiracy, when the mavs lose what can i say they lose fair and square.

[Leetonidas]

who cares about the mavs :lol
You do realize that dallas is 10 times bigger than san antonio and has more fans dont you?

If not for Fort Worth, I believe SA is bigger than Dallas.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

if you count this year 3 rings to 1


Well at least there no questioning that you're a Mavs Fan...

:lol :lol

[Tek_XX]

If not for Fort Worth, I believe SA is bigger than Dallas.

city of san antonio>city of dallas

how does ft. worth get involved?

[Mavs_man_41]

If not for Fort Worth, I believe SA is bigger than Dallas.

maybe by area, im talking about population.

[beachbarbie948]

If not for Fort Worth, I believe SA is bigger than Dallas.

Yep, San Antonio within the city limits is bigger than Dallas city limits, but Dallas/Fort Worth metro is larger than SA

[SpursGo25]

congress wont do anything give me a break
:lol :lol :lol

NBA runs their own show and can do whatever they want.

but i agree with you, this game is damning evidence that the league pushes teams they want to win with officiating.
Congress should do something because the Federal Govt. governs sporting events. Just like when Congress threatened to investigate professional wrestling in the 1970's when professional wrestling tried to play itself off as a legitimate sporting event. It is a federal crime if a league tries to alter the outcome of games to fit what they want. And with the years of terrible officiating being rewarded by the league, this is exactly what it looks like. It is either on purpose or the result of gross negligence. If it is just negligence, then it is up to the fans to stop going to the games, stop watching the games, and make the league change. Since NASCAR rain delays are beating the NBA in ratings... many fans are already doing that. If this bullshit officiating continues without change, then I will be another fan to ignore the NBA.

[SA210]

Yep, San Antonio within the city limits is bigger than Dallas city limits, but Dallas/Fort Worth metro is larger than SA
Metro yea, City No

[whottt]

And honestly, there is nothing strange about doing it. Being a hypocrite sometimes goes along with being a fan...



Nothing hypocritical about it...


When I do it I have a legit reason...99% of the time fans of other teams don't.


These are uncommonly bad calls. I am not just being sensitive because it is my team. I am not just spoiled from previous years. This is some seriously bad officiating.

It's not like we've never lost a series before...and at no time do I think we've as a fan base have ever blamed the officiating. And we seldom do it over games...

But this officiating has sucked badly.

It's not just FT differential...that's crap theory anyway.

But it's just certain things being done here...obvious, obvious bad calls.


See working under the assumption that all games are always officiated equally badly...that's a false assumption...and this has been some really bad officiating.

Look...go look at the Laker Board...those guys freaking hate us with a passion and think we get the benefit of the calls more than any team in the league...even some of those guys are saying we are getting effed by the refs.

[SpursGo25]

in my opinion there is no conspiracy, when the mavs lose what can i say they lose fair and square.
You didnt answer my question... do you think the officials in the NBA do a good job that would be expected of a professional?? Yes or No??

[Winnipeg_Spur]

if you count this year 3 rings to 1

:lol :lol :lol

Seriously, that might be the funniest thing I've read on this board, and there are some funny people here.

:lol :lol :lol

[Mavs_man_41]

You didnt answer my question... do you think the officials in the NBA do a good job that would be expected of a professional?? Yes or No??

i think they do the best to their abilities, yes.

[Mavs_man_41]

:lol :lol :lol

Seriously, that might be the funniest thing I've read on this board, and there are some funny people here.

:lol :lol :lol

it was a joke, as a mavs fan of course i want us to get that first ring.

[SPARKY]

Now we're back to the Chamber of Commerce discussion?

[Tek_XX]

it was a joke, as a mavs fan of course i want us to get that first ring.

You're just another Mavs fan with an underserved sense of entitlement. Like the NBA owes you something becuase ya'll haven't won anything.

[SpursGo25]

i think they do the best to their abilities, yes.
Best to their abilities? That doesnt sound like you are too convinced that they do a good job.

Well, I know absolutely nothing about medicine. If I became a doctor tomorrow I definitely would do the "best job for my ability" - but I would still be a shitty doctor who would get sued and fired almost immediately. Why is it that officials in the NBA are not held to a standard of excellence that anyone else is held to? If you suck as an engineer, you wont work as one for long. If you suck as a basketball player, you wont play for long (unless you play for the knicks - they are just damn stupid).

The NBA shouldnt just have officials that due the best to their ability just like DFW shouldnt have pilots or air traffic controllers that simply do the best to thier abilities. You find people who do the best job possible. Why wont the NBA do that? They can do it, but for some reason they wont. Explain to me mavs man why the NBA just refuses to find officials that do the best job possible. Why would a multi million dollar business with near unlimited resources not find officials who do the best, most consistent job when they are fully capable of doing just that??

[Mavs_man_41]

You're just another Mavs fan with an underserved sense of entitlement. Like the NBA owes you something becuase ya'll haven't won anything.

Don't use big words to make yourself seem smart. Nobody said the NBA owes the mavericks anything, they will have to earn it by themselves.

[Tek_XX]

i think they do the best to their abilities, yes.

He means they're doing an excellent job and making all the right calls

[Mavs_man_41]

Best to their abilities? That doesnt sound like you are too convinced that they do a good job.

Well, I know absolutely nothing about medicine. If I became a doctor tomorrow I definitely would do the "best job for my ability" - but I would still be a shitty doctor who would get sued and fired almost immediately. Why is it that officials in the NBA are not held to a standard of excellence that anyone else is held to? If you suck as an engineer, you wont work as one for long. If you suck as a basketball player, you wont play for long (unless you play for the knicks - they are just damn stupid).

The NBA shouldnt just have officials that due the best to their ability just like DFW shouldnt have pilots or air traffic controllers that simply do the best to thier abilities. You find people who do the best job possible. Why wont the NBA do that? They can do it, but for some reason they wont. Explain to me mavs man why the NBA just refuses to find officials that do the best job possible. Why would a multi million dollar business with near unlimited resources not find officials who do the best, most consistent job when they are fully capable of doing just that??

The refs do the best they can, nobody is perfect. It's the same way in all sports, fans question calls after close games.

[SpursGo25]

He means they're doing an excellent job and making all the right calls
No, he knows they suck but doesnt want to admit it since his team just benefited from thier horrible work. If it goes against his team next time, he may be the first to say they suck.

[DaSpurs#1]

i said it before and ill say it again THE REFS HAVE A CRUSH ON MAVS!!! and THE REFS LOVE THEIR SUGAR DADDY (MARK CUBAN) :lol

[Tek_XX]

Don't use big words to make yourself seem smart. Nobody said the NBA owes the mavericks anything, they will have to earn it by themselves.

I"m sorry is "the" too complicated for you mavs fans.

[Mavs_man_41]

No, he knows they suck but doesnt want to admit it since his team just benefited from thier horrible work. If it goes against his team next time, he may be the first to say they suck.

No, if the mavs lose i'll be the first to congradulate the spurs on a well earned victory.

[Mavs_man_41]

I"m sorry is "the" too complicated for you mavs fans.
You must be a complete moron wtf are you talking about. By the way I thought most 10 year olds are in bed by now?

[Tek_XX]

No, he knows they suck but doesnt want to admit it since his team just benefited from thier horrible work. If it goes against his team next time, he may be the first to say they suck.

This is kinda what i was saying, he loves the one sided calling right now

[Mavs_man_41]

This is kinda what i was saying, he loves the one sided calling right now
what one sided calling?

[Tek_XX]

You must be a complete moron wtf are you talking about. By the way I thought most 10 year olds are in bed by now?

That was a 10 year old comeback.

[SpursGo25]

The refs do the best they can, nobody is perfect. It's the same way in all sports, fans question calls after close games.

If the "best they can" is the bullshit work that they have been turning in for years, then why are they retained? College BBall doesnt have this problem, get some of the best college refs to call the game in the NBA since they seem to do better in college. But wait, many of these refs were in college and DID A GOOD JOB before going to the NBA. So why have they all of a sudden started to extremely suck?? Answer that question - why have refs who did a great job at the college level all of sudden started sucking and continuously sucking for years? And dont say that the NBA is a different game because it isnt. There are not that many differences, and definitely not enough differences to warrant the horrible job that they are doing in the NBA.

[DaSpurs#1]

The refs do the best they can, nobody is perfect. It's the same way in all sports, fans question calls after close games.
Game 2 wasnt a close game yet i still question all the calls made even after we were losing... and having 24 free throw opertunitees by one person isnt biased at all :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[Tek_XX]

what one sided calling?

Now he plays stupid.

[Mavs_man_41]

Tek XX, im sorry what was that? Is this thread too one-sided for u?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Nothing hypocritical about it...


When I do it I have a legit reason...99% of the time fans of other teams don't.

It's not like we've never lost a series before...and at no time do I think we've as a fan base have ever blamed the officiating. And we seldom do it over games...

But this is officiating has sucked badly.

It's not just FT differential...that's crap anyway.

But it's just certain things being done here...obvious, obvious bad calls.


See working under the assumption that all games are always officiated equally badly...that's a false assumption...and this has been some really bad officiating.

Look...go look at the Laker Board...those guys freaking hate us with a passion and think we get the benefit of the calls more than any team in the league...even some of those guys are saying we are getting effed by the refs.


Don't get me wrong, the officiating is horrible and tends to slant one way or the other more times than not. I draw the line when fans start to say that it's done with intent when, in reality, it's done because they aren't very good at what they do...

And I didn't mean to insinuate that you, personally, were being a hypocrite. I was speaking more of fans in general.

[SpursGo25]

Tek XX, im sorry what was that? Is this thread too one-sided for u?
Come on man, answer the question...

If the "best they can" is the bullshit work that they have been turning in for years, then why are they retained? College BBall doesnt have this problem, get some of the best college refs to call the game in the NBA since they seem to do better in college. But wait, many of these refs were in college and DID A GOOD JOB before going to the NBA. So why have they all of a sudden started to extremely suck?? Answer that question - why have refs who did a great job at the college level all of sudden started sucking and continuously sucking for years? And dont say that the NBA is a different game because it isnt. There are not that many differences, and definitely not enough differences to warrant the horrible job that they are doing in the NBA.

[Tek_XX]

Tek XX, im sorry what was that? Is this thread too one-sided for u?

ohh he brought out the classic mavs "i can't hear you, what" comeback.

he's good.

[Mavs_man_41]

Game 2 wasnt a close game yet i still question all the calls made even after we were losing... and having 24 free throw opertunitees by one person isnt biased at all :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

if its a conspiracy then why would the refs need to make bad calls when the mavs are up 20 points? Why give people more reason for these accusations.

[SpursGo25]

Don't get me wrong, the officiating is horrible and tends to slant one way or the other more times than not. I draw the line when fans start to say that it's done with intent when, in reality, it's done because they aren't very good at what they do...

And I didn't mean to insinuate that you, personally, were being a hypocrite. I was speaking more of fans in general.
Well then answer this:

If they arent very good at what they do why arent they replaced?? Why does the league that can choose from very good officials keep ones that arent very good? That doesnt add up... explain why you think this is the case...

[Tek_XX]

Mavs fan is pleased with the officiating. This means the officials sucked ass

[Mavs_man_41]

Well then answer this:

If they arent very good at what they do why arent they replaced?? Why does the league that can choose from very good officials keep ones that arent very good? That doesnt add up... explain why you think this is the case...

you are part of a small group of people who say the officials aren't very good. Like I said before no one is perfect.

[clubalien]

people need to admit the refs didn;t cause the spurs to lose pop did.

fire pop now.

[SpursGo25]

Also, it isnt the same in all sports. Remember that guy in the NFL who made that horrible call in the playoff game between the Steelers and Colts? The guy who overturned the interception... he no longer officiates for the NFL. He was deactivated at that point. The NFL tries to get better officials and regulates them... why doesnt the NBA??

[DaSpurs#1]

if its a conspiracy then why would the refs need to make bad calls when the mavs are up 20 points? Why give people more reason for these accusations.
cuzz Spurs have came back from worse :angel and not all my blame for losing Game 2 goes to the refs so... stfu :spin

[Mavs_man_41]

The NBA doesn't have an endless supply of referees. The same refs some of you say suck are much better than what else there is to choose from.

[gospursgojas]

you are part of a small group of people who say the officials aren't very good. Like I said before no one is perfect.

Very small group of people who made this a 18 page thread huh???

[Tek_XX]

Also, it isnt the same in all sports. Remember that guy in the NFL who made that horrible call in the playoff game between the Steelers and Colts? The guy who overturned the interception... he no longer officiates for the NFL. He was deactivated at that point. The NFL tries to get better officials and regulates them... why doesnt the NBA??

Becuase NBA referies "make mistakes" sometimes.

[Mavs_man_41]

cuzz Spurs have came back from worse :angel and not all my blame for losing Game 2 goes to the refs so... stfu :spin

dont tell me to stfu its stupid to say that the refs would make calls against you when youre already down 20.

[Mavs_man_41]

Very small group of people who made this a 18 page thread huh???
small group of people compared to the millions of nba fans around the world

[SpursGo25]

you are part of a small group of people who say the officials aren't very good. Like I said before no one is perfect.
Well then answer my original question - do you actually think they do a good job?? And I am not in a small group. Owners, Players, Fans, and Media complain about the horrible NBA officiating more than all other sports combined. The NBA even goes so far as to suspend and levy heavy fines against anyone who questions the officials. Remember Joey Porter?? He basically said that the NFL officials were corrupt after the Steelers and Colts game. Did he get suspended or heavily fined?? No. The NFL instead chose to fix the problem and get rid of the bad official. Not that hard if you are a legitimate league which the NBA is not under Stern. I love basketball, but the NBA needs new management and a new direction. They need integrity.

[Mavs_man_41]

Well then answer my original question - do you actually think they do a good job?? And I am not in a small group. Owners, Players, Fans, and Media complain about the horrible NBA officiating more than all other sports combined. The NBA even goes so far as to suspend and levy heavy fines against anyone who questions the officials. Remember Joey Porter?? He basically said that the NFL officials were corrupt after the Steelers and Colts game. Did he get suspended or heavily fined?? No. The NFL instead chose to fix the problem and get rid of the bad official. Not that hard if you are a legitimate league which the NBA is not under Stern. I love basketball, but the NBA needs new management and a new direction. They need integrity.

Ok, ill say the officiating wasn't great. BUT, there were bad calls against both teams and therefore no reason to blame the outcome on bad officiating

[Tek_XX]

small group of people compared to the millions of nba fans around the world

There are millions of fans who think the NBA officiating is a farse. It's amazing that you're such an NBA officiating defender tonight, i wonder why?

[Winnipeg_Spur]

There's definitely no conspiracy or anything like that, it's just incompetence and inconsistency. Some refs let teams play at the end of playoff games, some refs call every little thing. Some refs are intimidated by home crowds, some aren't.

I just don't understand how with all this talk about the film study and work the officials put into it they almost seem to be getting worse. Whatever they're doing doesn't seem to be working.

[SpursGo25]

The NBA doesn't have an endless supply of referees. The same refs some of you say suck are much better than what else there is to choose from.
Wrong again!! The NBA could hire any pick of legitimate college refs. You think college refs wouldnt love to make more money working NBA games? College basketball is officiated much, much better than NBA games. So why not get these guys to do a good job? Because the league doesnt want good refs. They want refs who will do what they want them to do...

[Mavs_man_41]

There are millions of fans who think the NBA officiating is a farse. It's amazing that you're such an NBA officiating defender tonight, i wonder why?

im just saying grow up, quit being a coward and admit the better team won no matter what the officiating was like.

[DaSpurs#1]

dont tell me to stfu its stupid to say that the refs would make calls against you when youre already down 20.
so your saying they didnt make any crappy calls in teh second half of game 2? none whatso ever? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Well then answer my original question - do you actually think they do a good job?? And I am not in a small group. Owners, Players, Fans, and Media complain about the horrible NBA officiating more than all other sports combined. The NBA even goes so far as to suspend and levy heavy fines against anyone who questions the officials. Remember Joey Porter?? He basically said that the NFL officials were corrupt after the Steelers and Colts game. Did he get suspended or heavily fined?? No. The NFL instead chose to fix the problem and get rid of the bad official. Not that hard if you are a legitimate league which the NBA is not under Stern. I love basketball, but the NBA needs new management and a new direction. They need integrity.

The NFL had their best crew at the SB and the officiating in that game was just as controversial as in any NBA game. Pick another sport...

[SpursGo25]

Ok, ill say the officiating wasn't great. BUT, there were bad calls against both teams and therefore no reason to blame the outcome on bad officiating
You are gonna tell me that you think the 4th quarter was evenly officiated? You think game 2 was evenly officiated? That is rediculous, and I can no longer take you even semi seriously if you come back with that BS...

[Mavs_man_41]

so your saying they didnt make any crappy calls in teh second half of game 2? none whatso ever? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

im saying no bad calls affected the outcome, youre just using it as an excuse to hide behind.

[Mavs_man_41]

You are gonna tell me that you think the 4th quarter was evenly officiated? You think game 2 was evenly officiated? That is rediculous, and I can no longer take you even semi seriously if you come back with that BS...

Same thing alot of mavs fans said after game 1, that works both ways buddy....

[SpursGo25]

The NFL had their best crew at the SB and the officiating in that game was just as controversial as in any NBA game. Pick another sport...
And those refs were punished and the NFL officially apologized for that game. Those refs wont be on the Super Bowl again. See, the NFL actually recognizes when their refs do a bad job and tries like hell to make sure it doesnt happen again. The NBA keeps letting bad refs get worse and never makes a change. Your argument holds no water here. There is a big difference between the NFL and NBA.

[gospursgojas]

Look, its no secret that the NBA refs are the worse of any sport out there....

Theres no conspiracy in the NBA. The fact is that the refs in the NBA just suck ass...

The HUGE difference between NBA refs and any other sports' refs is that the refs in the NBA try to influence the game. Thats why you always have commentators saying stuff like "well thats the way the games been called all night" and "the players need to adjust to the calls" The players should NEVER have to adjust to calls!!!!!! B/C the calls should be consistant, the rules don't fluxuate so why do the refs???

Then you have refs like Dick Bavetta and Joey Crawford who have their heads so much up their own ass, they let their egos get in the way of making the correct calls.


Bottom line is that the refs job is to call the game, not influance it in any way

[DaSpurs#1]

im saying no bad calls affected the outcome, youre just using it as an excuse to hide behind.

and not all my blame for losing Game 2 goes to the refs
i am???

[SPARKY]

Mark Cuban has used poor foul calls as a rallying cry for Dallas fans since he took over the team. Is he off base?

[SpursGo25]

Same thing alot of mavs fans said after game 1, that works both ways buddy....
OK. So then the refs have called 3 straight horrible games. WHY ARE THEY STILL OFFICIATING?? They have been calling horrible games for years. WHY are they still there? I personally know about 15 to 20 refs including myself that can do a better job than that. I personally know 2 to 3 college refs that I know do a better job than that. If a ref is intimidated by a player or crowd, he is a bad ref who should not be an official. Period. You dont fly a jet if you get motion sickness now do you??

[Mavs_man_41]

i am???

no, i want u to admit that THE SPURS WERE OUTPLAYED NO MATTER WHAT. Then ill believe that u arent making excuses.

[Mavs_man_41]

OK. So then the refs have called 3 straight horrible games. WHY ARE THEY STILL OFFICIATING?? They have been calling horrible games for years. WHY are they still there? I personally know about 15 to 20 refs including myself that can do a better job than that. I personally know 2 to 3 college refs that I know do a better job than that. If a ref is intimidated by a player or crowd, he is a bad ref who should not be an official. Period. You dont fly a jet if you get motion sickness now do you??

youre only mad because the spurs lost. If they had won you wouldnt be saying anything about the officiating. At least i have the balls to say may the best team win. No matter what happens i am not blaming the officiating.

[SpursGo25]

Look, its no secret that the NBA refs are the worse of any sport out there....

Theres no conspiracy in the NBA. The fact is that the refs in the NBA just suck ass...

The HUGE difference between NBA refs and any other sports' refs is that the refs in the NBA try to influence the game. Thats why you always have commentators saying stuff like "well thats the way the games been called all night" and "the players need to adjust to the calls" The players should NEVER have to adjust to calls!!!!!! B/C the calls should be consistant, the rules don't fluxuate so why do the refs???

Then you have refs like Dick Bavetta and Joey Crawford who have their heads so much up their own ass, they let their egos get in the way of making the correct calls.


Bottom line is that the refs job is to call the game, not influance it in any way
So then if you recognize that the refs are horrible and you know that the NBA does NOTHING to try to replace them and get better, then how can you say for sure that there is no agenda or conspiracy by the league? Wouldnt a legit league get rid of bad officials and try to obtain good ones until they do?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And those refs were punished and the NFL officially apologized for that game. Those refs wont be on the Super Bowl again. See, the NFL actually recognizes when their refs do a bad job and tries like hell to make sure it doesnt happen again. The NBA keeps letting bad refs get worse and never makes a change. Your argument holds no water here. There is a big difference between the NFL and NBA.


OK now you are just making shit up...


Two days after the Steelers beat the Seahawks, 21-10, in the NFL title game, the league said Tuesday that the game was "properly officiated."

"Including, as in most NFL games, some tight plays that produced disagreement about the calls made by the officials," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in a statement.

http://www.wzzm13.com/sports/pro_football/superbowl_article.aspx?storyid=50273

[SPARKY]

Dallas fans are placing too much emphasis on squeaking out the 2 point win against a Spurs team without Tim Duncan on the court for the last couple of minutes.

[whottt]

And I'm not really saying the officiating is why we lost tonight...I mean we had a chance to win it till Harris broke up that play. That was our bad.

But there are 5 games I have seen in the last 5 years where the officiating did decide the outcome of the game...

Sac VS LA game 6 2002(Bavetta). Rockets VS Mavs game 5 2005(Salvatore calls the ball off Jon Barry). Lakers VS Spurs game 5 2004(.04, the rule book is clear on this rule). Lakers VS Spurs game 4 2003(Salvatore fouls David Robinson out in 12 minutes of play). And Game 2 of this series, where there were about 5 calls on Spurs players getting hit in the face or shoved, I mean the Spurs got called for the fouls...Not to mention the 10 fouls in 45 seconds flurry.

I can't think of a single case where the officiating decided the actual final game of a series...but there's no doubt that it has cost some games. And there is also no doubt that big markets tend to be the benficiaries of these horribly called games.


Anyway...Sac could have won it in game 7 but choked at the FT line...The Rockets had 2 more games to win their series, the Spurs didn't have to lay down in game 6 VS LA...and in 03 they won anyway...

But damned...sometimes fans have a right to bitch. I don't think tonights game was as badly officiated as game 2...and we had a chance to win it...

But what bothers me about the officiating in this series...is that we haven't gotten Salvator or Bavetta yet...the culprits in 99% of the ref decided games I have seen.


I have never seen a Joey Crawford game reffed as shittily as tonights was...it's distubring to me. I expect it when Salvatore or Bavetta reffing...I pretty much chalk up any Bavetta reffed game as a Spurs loss...


I can only hope we get them in the same game...preferably game 6.

[SA210]

I'm going to bed and just wanted to say one more time,

The Refs Suck!!!

[SPARKY]

In general, I don't look to the officiating, but losing your franchise on a BS call late is absurd.

[Tek_XX]

So then if you recognize that the refs are horrible and you know that the NBA does NOTHING to try to replace them and get better, then how can you say for sure that there is no agenda or conspiracy by the league? Wouldnt a legit league get rid of bad officials and try to obtain good ones until they do?

i'm sure they have a union, Javie and his people aren't going anywhere.

[gospursgojas]

So then if you recognize that the refs are horrible and you know that the NBA does NOTHING to try to replace them and get better, then how can you say for sure that there is no agenda or conspiracy by the league? Wouldnt a legit league get rid of bad officials and try to obtain good ones until they do?

I don't think the NBA has a problem with the refs, therefore they won't try to fix thier officiating problem

[SpursGo25]

youre only mad because the spurs lost. If they had won you wouldnt be saying anything about the officiating. At least i have the balls to say may the best team win. No matter what happens i am not blaming the officiating.
Nice to know you have balls. That's not what i'm talking about. I already said that this isnt about the Spurs and that the Mavs, Pistons, etc. have gotten screwed by bad officiating as well. This is about one thing:

Why are bad officials retained by the NBA and not replaced? There are plenty of good officials out there, and the NBA does not seek to better the officiating crew. Why is that? Explain that?



I know you cant, because there is no way to explain that other than the NBA brass is content with the horrible job the refs do because the NBA brass wants them to do it. If the NBA wanted fairly called games then these refs would have been out a long time ago. You are getting pissed because you know I am right and are now resorting to accusations of being a homer and making references to your balls. Answer my question with a legitimate answer and stop trying to dodge the question mavs man 41

[SpursGo25]

I don't think the NBA has a problem with the refs, therefore they won't try to fix thier officiating problem
Exactly. The NBA doesnt have a problem with the refs because the refs are doing what the NBA wants them to do. If the NBA wanted refs that called consistent, fair games then they would get them.

[whottt]

Javie isn't usually a bad ref...he's a hardass. Joey Crawford is probably the second best ref in the NBA, but he's also hardass...Still you usually don't feel like you got screwed when he refs, the same goes for Javie...that's why tonights game and game 2 were so disturbing. If the good refs are fucking up I don't even want to think about what's going to happen when get Salvatore and Bavetta..bar none the shittiest refs in the NBA.

[SpursGo25]

And I'm not really saying the officiating is why we lost tonight...I mean we had a chance to win it till Harris broke up that play. That was our bad.

But there are 5 games I have seen in the last 5 years where the officiating did decide the outcome of the game...

Sac VS LA game 6 2002(Bavetta). Rockets VS Mavs game 5 2005(Salvatore calls the ball off Jon Barry). Lakers VS Spurs game 5 2004(.04, the rule book is clear on this rule). Lakers VS Spurs game 4 2003(Salvatore fouls David Robinson out in 12 minutes of play). And Game 2 of this series, where there were about 5 calls on Spurs players getting hit in the face or shoved, I mean the Spurs got called for the fouls...Not to mention the 10 fouls in 45 seconds flurry.

I can't think of a single case where the officiating decided the actual final game of a series...but there's no doubt that it has cost some games. And there is also no doubt that big markets tend to be the benficiaries of these horribly called games.


Anyway...Sac could have won it in game 7 but choked at the FT line...The Rockets had 2 more games to win their series, the Spurs didn't have to lay down in game 6 VS LA...and in 03 they won anyway...

But damned...sometimes fans have a right to bitch. I don't think tonights game was as badly officiated as game 2...and we had a chance to win it...

But what bothers me about the officiating in this series...is that we haven't gotten Salvator or Bavetta yet...the culprits in 99% of the ref decided games I have seen.


I have never seen a Joey Crawford game reffed as shittily as tonights was...it's distubring to me. I expect it when Salvatore or Bavetta reffing...I pretty much chalk up any Bavetta reffed game as a Spurs loss...


I can only hope we get them in the same game...preferably game 6.
Why should any fan NOT want a specific official? Because they suck. And they shouldnt be officiating and the NBA wont get rid of them. And the Union thing... BS. No union can fight the horrible level of incompetence by the officials in the NBA. IF the NBA wanted to get rid of these horrible officials they could and would.

[DaSpurs#1]

no, i want u to admit that THE SPURS WERE OUTPLAYED NO MATTER WHAT. Then ill believe that u arent making excuses.
i blame it on the refs horrible calls in teh 1st half for ditracting us, our lack of mental strength to not let it bother us, our lack of defence agaisnt mavs, pops poor judgement,and those gay clickers they gave us those cant distract sh*t... as for yall out playing us, no!!! excuses, i dont call those excuses i call those reasons(except the refs bad calls and the clickers :angel )

underlined are the reasons, not excuses... just like the reason yall lost game1 is cuzz of crackhouse's decision, thats not an excuses thats a reason

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And I'm not really saying the officiating is why we lost tonight...I mean we had a chance to win it till Harris broke up that play. That was our bad.

But there are 5 games I have seen in the last 5 years where the officiating did decide the outcome of the game...

Sac VS LA game 6 2002(Bavetta). Rockets VS Mavs game 5 2005(Salvatore calls the ball off Jon Barry). Lakers VS Spurs game 5 2004(.04, the rule book is clear on this rule). Lakers VS Spurs game 4 2003(Salvatore fouls David Robinson out in 12 minutes of play). And Game 2 of this series, where there were about 5 calls on Spurs players getting hit in the face or shoved, I mean the Spurs got called for the fouls...Not to mention the 10 fouls in 45 seconds flurry.

I can't think of a single case where the officiating decided the actual final game of a series...but there's no doubt that it has cost some games. And there is also no doubt that big markets tend to be the benficiaries of these horribly called games.


Anyway...Sac could have won it in game 7 but choked at the FT line...The Rockets had 2 more games to win their series, the Spurs didn't have to lay down in game 6 VS LA...and in 03 they won anyway...

But damned...sometimes fans have a right to bitch. I don't think tonights game was as badly officiated as game 2...and we had a chance to win it...

But what bothers me about the officiating in this series...is that we haven't gotten Salvator or Bavetta yet...the culprits in 99% of the ref decided games I have seen.


I have never seen a Joey Crawford game reffed as shittily as tonights was...it's distubring to me. I expect it when Salvatore or Bavetta reffing...I pretty much chalk up any Bavetta reffed game as a Spurs loss...


I can only hope we get them in the same game...preferably game 6.

I can think of one, the Phantom Foul called on Laimbeer in '88.

[Tek_XX]

Javie isn't usually a bad ref...he's a hardass. Joey Crawford is probably the second best ref in the NBA, but he's also hardass...Still you usually don't feel like you got screwed when he refs, the same goes for Javie...that's why tonights game and game 2 were so disturbing. If the good refs are fucking up I don't even want to think about what's going to happen when get Salvatore and Bavetta..bar none the shittiest refs in the NBA.

They all like to think their hardasses

[DaSpurs#1]

youre only mad because the spurs lost. If they had won you wouldnt be saying anything about the officiating. At least i have the balls to say may the best team win. No matter what happens i am not blaming the officiating.
nope actuelly i'de still be making comments about the bad officiating...
:blah

[SpursGo25]

These are just games you people can think of. This shit happens all the time and many times you dont recall it. The Suns got absoultely assaulted by the refs in games 3 and 4 against the Lakers. Lebron is allowed to take 4 steps before making a game winning lay up. The officiating IS horrible no matter how much anyone wants to believe otherwise. If I called games here in Tex. like these officials do I would have been fired long ago. Guaranteed.

[gospursgojas]

Nice to know you have balls. That's not what i'm talking about. I already said that this isnt about the Spurs and that the Mavs, Pistons, etc. have gotten screwed by bad officiating as well. This is about one thing:

Why are bad officials retained by the NBA and not replaced? There are plenty of good officials out there, and the NBA does not seek to better the officiating crew. Why is that? Explain that?



I know you cant, because there is no way to explain that other than the NBA brass is content with the horrible job the refs do because the NBA brass wants them to do it. If the NBA wanted fairly called games then these refs would have been out a long time ago. You are getting pissed because you know I am right and are now resorting to accusations of being a homer and making references to your balls. Answer my question with a legitimate answer and stop trying to dodge the question mavs man 41

Ok, the best answer I can give you (P.S I agree with you that the NBA has a huge officiating problem) is that the NBA, since Stern took over, has drifted futher away from the actual game, and closer to what makes them money.

Im not saying they are turning into the WWE, they still try to keep as much integrity in the game as they can, but they also knows what sells. And thats face paced 100 point games with Kobe, and Lebron going off. So the Kobes and Lebrons and "superstars" of the league are going to get their calls/no-calls.

I think that if the game is going to be called as it should without "superstar" treatment, than the Obertos and Jake Voshkels, and "nobodys" of the league should get the same calls as the "superstars".

If star treatment is a conspiracy that I guess the NBA is guilty

[Tek_XX]

how does dirk get every single ticky tack call, seems like duncan has to get raped before they'll even think about giving him a call.

[SpursGo25]

Ok, the best answer I can give you (P.S I agree with you that the NBA has a huge officiating problem) is that the NBA, since Stern took over, has drifted futher away from the actual game, and closer to what makes them money.

Im not saying they are turning into the WWE, they still try to keep as much integrity in the game as they can, but they also knows what sells. And thats face paced 100 point games with Kobe, and Lebron going off. So the Kobes and Lebrons and "superstars" of the league are going to get their calls/no-calls.

I think that if the game is going to be called as it should without "superstar" treatment, than the Obertos and Jake Voshkels, and "nobodys" of the league should get the same calls as the "superstars".

If star treatment is a conspiracy that I guess the NBA is guilty

You're right. The NBA calls games for Stars (especially stars of big market teams) differently to make money. And that is wrong. That is biased, and it is illegal. That doesnt happen in other pro sports like it does in the NBA. That is what my whole point is here, that the NBA doesnt want a fair game. They want the teams to win that make them the most money, even if that means getting games like games 2 and 3 of this series where the officials are obviously biased.

[Mavs_man_41]

i blame it on the refs horrible calls in teh 1st half for ditracting us, our lack of mental strength to not let it bother us, our lack of defence agaisnt mavs, pops poor judgement,and those gay clickers they gave us those cant distract sh*t... as for yall out playing us, no!!! excuses, i dont call those excuses i call those reasons(except the refs bad calls and the clickers :angel )

underlined are the reasons, not excuses... just like the reason yall lost game1 is cuzz of crackhouse's decision, thats not an excuses thats a reason

OMG anybody can see that the spurs got ouplayed regardless in game 2, i cant believe you just said that.