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ShoogarBear
05-18-2006, 05:48 PM
Who does AJ come back with? He got 40 minutes to find from his bench.

Adrian Griffin hasn't gotten off the pine in three games.

Marquis Daniels has 15 minutes in the last two games.

Stackhouse is already over 30 minutes a game (though I'd love to see more; Stack still hasn't fucked up his guaranteed one game per series, though he tried in game 3).

:blah

Leetonidas
05-18-2006, 05:49 PM
We shouldn't be playing small ball tomorrow as Dallas will most likely start a bigger lineup.

aaronstampler
05-18-2006, 05:50 PM
Whoever they put out there, Manu and Tony have to go nuts. And on defense, we should just let Dirk get his, put Bowen on Howard and totally take him away and just sag on the lane on Harris and we'll be fine.

td4mvp21
05-18-2006, 05:51 PM
Whoever they put out there, Manu and Tony have to go nuts. And on defense, we should just let Dirk get his, put Bowen on Howard and totally take him away and just sag on the lane on Harris and we'll be fine.

That sounds good, but unfortunately Pop won't make any adujustments. :madrun

timvp
05-18-2006, 05:56 PM
Small ball will stay. Marquis Daniels will see a bump in minutes along with Stackhouse. If Armstrong is healthy, he'll get some minutes.

The only way the Spurs can go Big again is if AJ turns to Griffin. If that happens, Pop can put Duncan on Griffin and use a center.

FromWayDowntown
05-18-2006, 05:58 PM
I started thinking about that and wondering what AJ will do to adjust. What has given the Spurs fits at times is the number of shooters who must be accounted for and chased everywhere. AJ can't keep that up by starting Daniels or Griffin -- at least I don't think he can. If he goes with Stackhouse, I think he loses most of his bench punch, which he might not want to do, either. One option that exists is to start Van Horn, I suppose, and try to add another long shooter who can put it on the floor -- but that assumes that AJ has any trust in KVH at all and that KVH is remotely conditioned to go up and down at starters' minutes, neither of which seems likely. There's Josh Powell, too, who filled in nicely for them when they were really beset by injuries late in the season, but I'm not sure he's a viable option in this circumstance.

SA Gunslinger
05-18-2006, 06:05 PM
If he starts Van Horn, game seven is a lock.

ShoogarBear
05-18-2006, 06:07 PM
Of course, with KVH and Powell, it's no longer small ball, either. You can put Horry and maybe Oberto on either one.

Pop can now make AJ be the one who has to repsond to matchups and go with a center.

DaSpurs#1
05-18-2006, 06:09 PM
Rasho and Nazr better step up in Game 6 if we go big, which could help us or hurt us going big, for as yall are all thinking that neither have played that much in this series...

mavsfan1000
05-18-2006, 06:10 PM
Daniels should start. Dallas needs to run and Daniels is the most athletic 2 guard on the team.

strangeweather
05-18-2006, 06:20 PM
Daniels should start. Dallas needs to run and Daniels is the most athletic 2 guard on the team.

If he's better than Stack, why hasn't AJ been giving him more PT? (Not an argument, just a question.)

mavsfan1000
05-18-2006, 06:25 PM
He has been inconsistent and not always in to the game. He is young and Avery Johnson doesn't trust young players with the exception of Devin Harris but even than is harsh on Devin Harris and wouldn't let him start even though Harris has clearly been better than Griffin. Stackhouse will likely get overplayed if I know Avery well enough. Avery's love affair with Stackhouse makes me sick.

ploto
05-18-2006, 06:33 PM
Small ball will stay. Marquis Daniels will see a bump in minutes along with Stackhouse. If Armstrong is healthy, he'll get some minutes.

The "biggest" we might see is some Tim and Horry.

Vingianx
05-18-2006, 06:37 PM
He has been inconsistent and not always in to the game. He is young and Avery Johnson doesn't trust young players with the exception of Devin Harris but even than is harsh on Devin Harris and wouldn't let him start even though Harris has clearly been better than Griffin. Stackhouse will likely get overplayed if I know Avery well enough. Avery's love affair with Stackhouse makes me sick.
:elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

strangeweather
05-18-2006, 06:44 PM
He has been inconsistent and not always in to the game. He is young and Avery Johnson doesn't trust young players with the exception of Devin Harris but even than is harsh on Devin Harris and wouldn't let him start even though Harris has clearly been better than Griffin. Stackhouse will likely get overplayed if I know Avery well enough. Avery's love affair with Stackhouse makes me sick.

Yeah, and crucial playoff games really make coaches want to bury the guys they don't trust. Witness the total absence of Beno.

Still, with the new rotation, he should at least get a chance to prove he belongs on the court.

Mark in Austin
05-18-2006, 06:48 PM
I wouldn't mind Steve Franc...er...Jerry Stackhouse getting 40+ minutes of PT in game six.

:tu

diego
05-18-2006, 07:23 PM
they just lost one of their better shooters, i say force their young athletic inexperienced backcourt (harris, howard, daniels, griffin etc. to shoot.) Put Rasho in, close the lane, and make em shoot

yavozerb
05-18-2006, 08:56 PM
on defense we should play:
TP- Harris
Manu-Stack
Finley-Dirk
Bowen-Howard
Duncan-Lame as Center
So yes we will be playing small ball.....

Pandaemonaeon
05-18-2006, 08:57 PM
Daniels should start. Dallas needs to run and Daniels is the most athletic 2 guard on the team.

Are you kidding me? Daniels has been playing like a deer in the headlights all season. If we lose I have two guys to point the fingers now: KVH and Quis :lol

T Park
05-18-2006, 09:01 PM
Manu-Stack
Finley-Dirk

switch them two, and Im with you.

BgT
05-18-2006, 09:04 PM
on defense we should play:
TP- Harris
Manu-Stack
Finley-Dirk
Bowen-Howard
Duncan-Lame as Center
So yes we will be playing small ball.....
Hm, but we have about 11 other guys in our team that could defend Dirk AT LEAST as fine as Finley. So this is a perfect opportunity to at least try a normal Spurs lineup.

Spurs Dynasty
05-18-2006, 09:17 PM
I fully support Pop's decision to play small balls... it makes it toughter for the Mavs to hit em.

SA Gunslinger
05-18-2006, 09:24 PM
If he's better than Stack, why hasn't AJ been giving him more PT? (Not an argument, just a question.)

Probably because he's 20% three point shooter.

T Park
05-18-2006, 09:24 PM
Hm, but we have about 11 other guys in our team that could defend Dirk AT LEAST as fine as Finley. So this is a perfect opportunity to at least try a normal Spurs lineup.

Other than Bowen or Horry, no one can.


Pop aint changing so forget it.

BgT
05-18-2006, 09:24 PM
I fully support Pop's decision to play small balls... it make it toughter for the Mavs to hit em.
What do you mean by that? To score? It's tougher for Mavs to score against small lineup? Hm, I can't even imagine that it's possible to have worse defense than this one. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I feel.

BgT
05-18-2006, 09:27 PM
Other than Bowen or Horry, no one can.


Pop aint changing so forget it.
That's what I implied. Putting Fin on Dirk is like not defending him at all, so we could try 10 playing with another big. I don't mean to bash Fin, I like the guy, but as Dirk's defender...

And I know that probability for that is about 0.1%

Spurs Dynasty
05-18-2006, 09:27 PM
What do you mean by that? To score? It's tougher for Mavs to score against small lineup? Hm, I can't even imagine that it's possible to have worse defense as this one. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I feel.

No man, tougher for the Mavs to hit SPurs' balls, nutz, clangers, cojones, huevos.... get it?

:blah I see it fell flat.

BgT
05-18-2006, 09:30 PM
No man, tougher for the Mavs to hit SPurs' balls, nutz, clangers, cojones, huevos.... get it?

:blah I see it fell flat.
:lol Well, the size of the balls is not neccessary related with the size of a player. :D

kalikot_boy_kr
05-18-2006, 09:34 PM
hey mavs fan! im the who always say.. spurs will win game 7, so be afraid...so where those fuckin faggot bitch mavs fan?? now watch out, your jason terry is suck! and he's asking apology to everybody!!! so thats funny too!!!

T Park
05-18-2006, 09:38 PM
try 10 playing with another big?

No thanks, if Fin is on him, the only thing he gets is a running jumper.



If Oberto, Mohammed or Nesterovic guard him, he goes to the ft line and gets his rythum, uhhh no thanks.

kalikot_boy_kr
05-18-2006, 09:42 PM
so where are those mav fan? i been always said: spurs win game 7.... be afraid. ur jason terry is suck so watch ur feeling dumb shit! hahahhaha!...its funny too!

Tek_XX
05-18-2006, 09:47 PM
try 10 playing with another big?

No thanks, if Fin is on him, the only thing he gets is a running jumper.



If Oberto, Mohammed or Nesterovic guard him, he goes to the ft line and gets his rythum, uhhh no thanks.

It doesn't matter who's playing him, he's going to the line. He's very delicate

And it's not like he's missing jumpers.

SenorSpur
05-18-2006, 10:02 PM
He has been inconsistent and not always in to the game. He is young and Avery Johnson doesn't trust young players with the exception of Devin Harris but even than is harsh on Devin Harris and wouldn't let him start even though Harris has clearly been better than Griffin. Stackhouse will likely get overplayed if I know Avery well enough. Avery's love affair with Stackhouse makes me sick.

Perhaps Stack will entertain us with another one of his "bonehead" decisions.

team-work
05-18-2006, 10:13 PM
TP - Harris
Manu - Stack
Bowen - Howard
Horry - Dirk
Duncan - Diop

In this way, only Dirk will likely have a great game, with Horry as primary defender. But Bowen and Duncan can take turns. Manu will stop Stack based on the confidence built on the last moves in Game 1. Anyway, Terry's suspension will cause less headache for Pop to try and improve the defense of his team.

DDS4
05-18-2006, 11:58 PM
I say let Dirk have his. Shut down Harris and Howard. That means we need an additional big in there to clog the lane.

RC's Boss
05-19-2006, 12:03 AM
That's what Ive been thinking too. Let Dirk get 40 of Rasho Horry Nazr Oberto! Amare did and PHX went home limping.

RC's Boss
05-19-2006, 12:05 AM
Go back to Spurs B-ball (DEFENSE!).... Harris wouldn't be in the lane so much if Tim had help gaurding it! He should offer Pop a bottle of 25 yr old pinot noir (is that spelled right) to bribe him!

RC's Boss
05-19-2006, 12:09 AM
Mark Cuban just said we were going to get our butts kicked all the way back to that muddy thing they call the river walk! I used to live in Dallas, nice city, but the trinity river is nothing but a ditch w/ bums pitching tents under I-30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shank
05-19-2006, 12:10 AM
Dallas still has some good options. In the game 2 blowout, Terry wasn't much of a factor. I'm thinking Stack starts and Quis comes off the bench [though he hasn't done very much in the past few months. i don't think he fully recovered from his injuries earlier in the season]. VanHack might see some burn for the offense and won't just be sent out there to make an ass of himself by fouling Duncan all over the place.

Dallas will need some better play out of their centers. Somewhere in the range of 12-16 combined points is all I would be asking.

For SA - I think we'll still see the smallball lineup, no matter how much you guys hate it. It's what's gotten them this far, why change it? A move to a bigger lineup might set them back. We saw what happened when Rasho tried to play earlier in this series. He's not a position as much as he's a target. SA would do best to keep them off the court once again.

I worry about the perimeter pressure SA can now bring. Without Terry back there, Bowen and Parker can rush the backcourt and disrupt when they want to. The Mavs will have to find the open shooter/cutter and be efficient on the offensive end.

1Parker1
05-19-2006, 12:32 AM
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Stackhouse is already over 30 minutes a game (though I'd love to see more; Stack still hasn't fucked up his guaranteed one game per series, though he tried in game 3).

:blah

He already had his guaranteed fuck up game, in Game 1 where he messed up on the final play trying to be a hero and go for that 3 after the play was broken, with the Mavs still having a timeout left. :lol

MannyIsGod
05-19-2006, 12:40 AM
I doubt Stackhouse starts. The reason he's so effective is because he gets more touches when he comes off the bench with fewer offensive options in there. But either way, what Terry brought that hurt the Spurs was his quickness. Stackhouse isn't slow, but he's a much better matchup for Manu than Terry is.

bulletedge
05-19-2006, 07:15 AM
Marquis will probably start. He is a totally streaky player. The one thing he does much better than Terry is take the ball to the hoop which could create major defensive problems for the Spurs. If he gets off to a good start it will be trouble for the Spurs. If he doesn't get off early the Mavs will be in big trouble.

Look for the Mavs to relentlessly attack the lane and hope to create foul trouble for the Spurs- they do have the homecourt tonight so it is a smart strategy.

Adrian Griffin will stay on the bench. Van Horn will only play due to foul trouble.

I think there will be a game 7.

mcornelio
05-19-2006, 07:36 AM
I Will Personally Give Aj Money To Put Kvh In...

ShoogarBear
05-19-2006, 09:57 AM
He already had his guaranteed fuck up game, in Game 1 where he messed up on the final play trying to be a hero and go for that 3 after the play was broken, with the Mavs still having a timeout left. :lol
That was a pretty weak fuck-up by Stack. Believe me, he's got much bigger ones in him.

The game 3 miss-the-rim, if the Spurs had managed to pull that out, would have been a more classic one.

1Parker1
05-19-2006, 10:03 AM
This will be the lineup (I was right when I predicted the Spurs lineup in Game 4)

Spurs:
Duncan
Finley
Bowen
Manu
Parker

Mavs:
Dirk
Howard
Harris
Stackhouse
Diop

BigBinBigD
05-19-2006, 10:11 AM
Mark Cuban just said we were going to get our butts kicked all the way back to that muddy thing they call the river walk! I used to live in Dallas, nice city, but the trinity river is nothing but a ditch w/ bums pitching tents under I-30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Much as like the Mavs, a team owner insulting a city is beyond belief. One day maybe he'll learn to separate the owner from the ridiculous, homeristic fan....or maybe not.

I kinda like the Riverwalk.