Scola the new savior

[IcemanCometh]

or is it javotskas now?

2 seriously overrated players by our fans. They won't be ready to contribute even if they ever manage to make it over here. But I guess you people need something to grasp a hold of every offseason.

[MissAllThat]

People said the same thing about Parker when he was drafted, and then about Ginobili. Wrong on both accounts. I'm not saying either one will be amazing, but there's always people on each side of the argument, and every time one side is wrong. They could be great, or they could be the worst players ever. We don't know. Thats why theres so much speculation.

[ChumpDumper]

Eh, we don't need much.

[ace3g]

Yeah Javtokas definitely is not ready for the nba (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwkeNIOkOo&search=javtokas)

[whottt]

ace, do you know the name of that basketball song in the video? It sounds like Bolshevik frat rap or something.

[ChumpDumper]

Apparently, only the last dunk is pre-accident.

[whottt]

I think if he's got the bowl cut it's pre accident and if he's got the crew cut it's post...

That first style dunk is definitely post accident...

And is that Spurstalk TimVP that posted that video? The country add says Lithuania...

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just going by third hand confirmation. There certainly is enough verifiabale post accident action all of us have seen to calm any fears about athleticism.

[timvp]

Apparently, only the last dunk is pre-accident.

Damn, that was the best dunk there :depressed

I could only imagine what he'd be like if he didn't hop on that motorcycle. Supposedly the Spurs were planning on him replacing David. That would have meant no Rasho and possibly someone like Gilbert Arenas or Lamar Odom :madrun

Oh well, hopefully his leg can last in the NBA.

And that wasn't the real timvp who posted it. Unless I went into some drunken Javtokas rage and then blacked out. . .

[Nbadan]

Spurs working out Conroy sure points to them bringing the Euros over.

[George Gervin's Afro]

2 words 'complimentary player'. Bigs now have to be at least avg athletes and this guy seems to be at minimum athletic for a big guy. We'll see but I don't think anyone assumes he will have the impact similar to TP and Manu. Mahini seems to be the guy with the biggest upside..

[WalterBenitez]

It's hard to say, but in general when you draft 1-5 you expect a inmediatly impact on your team, lower picks not sure you have to expect that kind of effect, what is amazing about Spurs officials is they got three lucky coockies in the middle of the supermarket (Tony, Manu) probably Scola is the third; but after TP and Manu our expectations are very high.

I won't say that Scola will be the next Dirk, Paul, a profet, a Prize Nobel ... just want him (or whoever) to contribute next to Duncan for next season; I don't care about names, probably Spurs will considering sending Scola's rigths to get something valuable in return, many others team will take a good look on Scola if he were available.

[Spurologist]

We've had Oberto. Is anything better too much to ask?

[gospursgojas]

People said the same thing about Parker when he was drafted, and then about Ginobili. Wrong on both accounts. I'm not saying either one will be amazing, but there's always people on each side of the argument, and every time one side is wrong. They could be great, or they could be the worst players ever. We don't know. Thats why theres so much speculation.

Everyone also got all wet about Oberto, and we were sooo wrong....

[Slo spurs fan]

<---------- About savior....

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Everyone also got all wet about Oberto, and we were sooo wrong....
who is everyone?? there were plenty of people here that supported bringing in Scola over Oberto. Its only because we couldn't bring Scola that we got Oberto, that should tell you something. Scola is a much different player, much more athletic, and god knows we need a decent rebounder. Perhaps he turns our to be a bust, but to right him off simply because Oberto sucked is not too smart.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

He looked really quick with his feet and was beating guards down the floor on fast breaks. He was getting off the floor quickly on those blocked shots. I'd like to see him and Mahini starting for the Spurs side by side. If most of that video was post accident, I don't think he lost so much ability as to not be successful.

[Gummi]

I don't think anyone can judge Oberto as a basketball player after one season where he spent 90% of the time on the bench. I saw most of the games and when he got a chance to play, he played IMO, pretty decent. I don't think that any of us should've anticipated a 15 and 10 guy, especially in his first season in a new league.

I'm convinced that if Oberto would be given 20-25 minutes every night, maybe as a starter (I have to see what the Spurs FO is going to do this summer), he would produce more then Rasho and Nazr.

Both Javtokas and Scola are ready for the NBA. They'll most likely not be stars, but good role players. Bring one of them over if possible, esp. Scola. I'm really high on him and I know he wants to show everyone that he can play here.

[picnroll]

There was an interview where Javtokas said the only thing that bothered him a bit from the accident was his shoulder. You have to remember that from pre-to post accident he's likely added 30 to 40 lbs which is going to effect his movement too.

From all the videos Javtokas has shown no left hand whatsoever.

[Mr. Body]

Javtokas is a starting caliber center in today's NBA. He's quick, can jump, has strength, runs the floor well. We'll be very happy with him.

Oberto- I don't think we play to some of his strengths and wonder if we ever will. Maybe it's not possible with Duncan (rightfully) dominating the paint, but every time he gets the ball on the block, he's always looking for back-cuts. Cuts that aren't there in our system, but happen galore in the Argentina NT.

Scola is used to those passes. Not saying we should ever pair he and Oberto, but there are things these guys are used to doing that they never get to do. Also, the bread and butter play this last year for Scola was the pick-and-roll. Teams couldn't stop it.

Javtokas and Mahinmi may never get paired, especially since there's such an age difference (Ian not ready when Robertas declines). But the block party makes me giddy to think about.

[ploto]

Oberto- I don't think we play to some of his strengths and wonder if we ever will. Maybe it's not possible with Duncan (rightfully) dominating the paint, but every time he gets the ball on the block, he's always looking for back-cuts. Cuts that aren't there in our system, but happen galore in the Argentina NT.

I've said from Day 1- pair Fabricio with Rasho.

[Extra Stout]

I don't think anyone can judge Oberto as a basketball player after one season where he spent 90% of the time on the bench. I saw most of the games and when he got a chance to play, he played IMO, pretty decent. I don't think that any of us should've anticipated a 15 and 10 guy, especially in his first season in a new league.

I'm convinced that if Oberto would be given 20-25 minutes every night, maybe as a starter (I have to see what the Spurs FO is going to do this summer), he would produce more then Rasho and Nazr.
Oberto is a good screener and passer. However, he can't shoot, rebound, handle the ball, or defend. He is as athletic as a turnip. Whenever he catches the ball, he cradles it up around his elbow and starts looking for somebody to pass to, because that's all he can really do with it. Maybe on the Argentine NT, he fits it great. But he's not much of an NBA player.


Both Javtokas and Scola are ready for the NBA. They'll most likely not be stars, but good role players. Bring one of them over if possible, esp. Scola. I'm really high on him and I know he wants to show everyone that he can play here.
Maybe they can do something in the NBA. However, I question whether either of them fills any of the holes the Spurs have, and whether this is the time the Spurs should be acclimating more Euroleague guys into the NBA anyway.

[objective]

do you know the name of that basketball song in the video?

I'm pretty sure it is the official Rytas team song from this season or last, they have mp3s of each season's song for download on their site.

EDIT: nevermind, it isn't one of them, the second song is on there though.


Apparently, only the last dunk is pre-accident.

True.

The blocks and dunk with Sabonis are from the end of the 03/04 season, the accident was in 2002.

[IcemanCometh]

anyone but rasho

[Gummi]

I don't know about your analysis Extra Stout, Oberto is a fine rebounder, esp. on the offensive glass. He's got nice hands and he's a very intelligent player. You're right though about his shooting touch, and that he prefers to pass the ball then shoot.

He's better suited for the Argentinian national side then the Spurs, but that doesn't mean he's not good for the Spurs. Like I said before, give him more playing time and we'll see.

[Kori Ellis]

Oberto is good at tapping out rebounds. But he doesn't have the leaping ability to actually go up and pull down hard rebounds.

[Extra Stout]

I don't know about your analysis Extra Stout, Oberto is a fine rebounder, esp. on the offensive glass. He's got nice hands and he's a very intelligent player. You're right though about his shooting touch, and that he prefers to pass the ball then shoot.

He's better suited for the Argentinian national side then the Spurs, but that doesn't mean he's not good for the Spurs. Like I said before, give him more playing time and we'll see.
Oberto is pretty good at compensating for his lack of athleticism and skill by using guile and savvy. He clearly is smart and experienced.

But he is neither an NBA athlete nor an NBA talent.

And if Oberto deserved playing time, he would have shown that in practice, and Pop would have played him. As it was, he couldn't beat out two guys in Nazr and Rasho who contributed little to nothing.

[boutons_]

A lot of people were impressed with Chris Kaman this year.

Anybody think that Scola could play a similar role for the Spurs?

Kaman got about 12 and 10 last season, in 33 MPG.
Not very athletic,
a hustler and banger,
gets in position,
goes for the ball,
OK scoring moves around the basket.

Tim, Scola, Javtokas sharing nearly all 96 MPG for the Spurs front-court, maybe a few odd minutes for Rasho and Fabricio.

I figure Robert is of no further use, too old, too slow for small ball, and probably no motivation to be in best shape. For a guy who doesn't show up until the playoffs, he had only 4 PPG and 4 RPG in 17 MPG, shooting 35% for 3Gs. Thanks for 2005, useless in 2006.

[Russ]

A lot of people were impressed with Chris Kaman this year.

Anybody think that Scola could play a similar role for the Spurs?

Kaman got about 12 and 10 last season, in 33 MPG.
Not very athletic,
a hustler and banger,
gets in position,
goes for the ball,
OK scoring moves around the basket.

Tim, Scola, Javtokas sharing nearly all 96 MPG for the Spurs front-court, maybe a few odd minutes for Rasho and Fabricio.

I figure Robert is of no further use, too old, too slow for small ball, and probably no motivation to be in best shape. For a guy who doesn't show up until the playoffs, he had only 4 PPG and 4 RPG in 17 MPG, shooting 35% for 3Gs. Thanks for 2005, useless in 2006.

Kaman is 7 feet tall and 265 pounds. He's also an animal under the boards. Scola appears to be a different type of player -- but if Scola could be Kaman, he's a no-brainer to sign.

I'm skeptical. I think Scola will be much better in international ball than in the NBA. (Unless, of course, the NBA is completely converted to FIBA-ball).

[Cant_Be_Faded]

or is it javotskas now?

2 seriously overrated players by our fans. They won't be ready to contribute even if they ever manage to make it over here. But I guess you people need something to grasp a hold of every offseason.


:lmao hahahahahahahaha

I'm glad I'm not the only one who believes this, dude you should get a spur.

[raspsa]

I remember Oberto in one of the late regular season games against the Mavs. He was rebounding and hustling like crazy, bringing a lot of energy in the time he was allocated. The Spurs lost that one as I recall but he played outstanding. I felt that Pop could have given him more minutes and even used him in the Playoffs. The guy can play.

[NCaliSpurs]

Oberto is a good screener and passer. However, he can't shoot, rebound, handle the ball, or defend. He is as athletic as a turnip. Whenever he catches the ball, he cradles it up around his elbow and starts looking for somebody to pass to, because that's all he can really do with it. Maybe on the Argentine NT, he fits it great. But he's not much of an NBA player.


Maybe they can do something in the NBA. However, I question whether either of them fills any of the holes the Spurs have, and whether this is the time the Spurs should be acclimating more Euroleague guys into the NBA anyway.


You really think the Spurs gave him 7.5 million for that? I doubt that they would agree with your assessment. Oberto's biggest problem is that he doesn't get much play time because he isn't as good as the above-average centers (during the regular season) ahead of him.

[Extra Stout]

You really think the Spurs gave him 7.5 million for that? I doubt that they would agree with your assessment. Oberto's biggest problem is that he doesn't get much play time because he isn't as good as the above-average centers (during the regular season) ahead of him.
Yes, even the Spurs can miscalculate and pay $7.5 million to somebody who doesn't pan out.

If you're contending that Rasho and Nazr are "above average," well then "above average" also means "not good enough to get the Spurs where they want to be, and therefore needing to be replaced."

This has been going on among Spurs fans forever -- wishful thinking about bench scrubs, that the little flashes of talent they show are going to blossom into consistent excellence.

How much more upside can Oberto have at what, 31 years of age?

[boutons_]

"more upside can Oberto have"

yes, 31, but still last year was his first year:

1) in USA (culture shock is real)

2) in NBA (much tougher, faster than FIBA)

3) learning the Spurs' system and what he can contribute, finding his self-confidence in all of the above contexts.

I won't write him off, if he gets PT, until after his second year.

[strangeweather]

How much more upside can Oberto have at what, 31 years of age?
I don't think anyone's saying that he's going to develop new skills, just that it's possible he'll develop into a decent rotation player after having had a year to acclimate to the very different style of play in the NBA.

[austinfan]

I won't write him off, if he gets PT, until after his second year.

Me too. For example, you started to see Finley mastering the learning curve by about January, whereas there were no such signs from Van Exel and I knew then he was going to be a bust for the rest of the season. I've seen those Finley flashes from Oberto, and so I'm willing to bet there's more there there, but he simply hasn't had enough PT for any of us to make much of a judgment one way or the other, plus there's the culture shock that you mention.

But if he gets adequate PT next year and is still not able to play at even Rasho level, then hell yes, dump in the nearest trade.

[waly.mg]

There´s not a question Between Oberto and Scola

Scola is better player than Oberto, he´s a Franchise player in Europe and the Go to Guy

But tle last summer we have in the Team TD as PF and the Centers are Nazr and Rasho and we need defense, Oberto in Better than Scola, but now is a question between Small Ball or 2 Big, if we play small ball Scola is perfect for this Job, 2 PF or Scola as PF and TD the Center

Robert Horry´s minutes are down every year, and his stats too

In this situation, we can start with Duncan and Rasho or Horry and Duncan, Scola replacing TD and Oberto the Center Backup

If the Team Plays small ball, Horry and Duncan starters, and the first Move is Scola

If the team plays High Low, Duncan and Rasho, the first move is Horry, the Second Oberto and the last Scola

If you need defense, Rasho in the Field or Oberto, if you need to score, Scola in the floor

[~Sweetmelody~]

I don't think anyone can judge Oberto as a basketball player after one season where he spent 90% of the time on the bench. I saw most of the games and when he got a chance to play, he played IMO, pretty decent. I don't think that any of us should've anticipated a 15 and 10 guy, especially in his first season in a new league.

I'm convinced that if Oberto would be given 20-25 minutes every night, maybe as a starter (I have to see what the Spurs FO is going to do this summer), he would produce more then Rasho and Nazr.

Both Javtokas and Scola are ready for the NBA. They'll most likely not be stars, but good role players. Bring one of them over if possible, esp. Scola. I'm really high on him and I know he wants to show everyone that he can play here.



I basically agree with everything you said.



But why would anyone say a player is not meant for the NBA when he is in the NBA? I don’t get. I mean the powers that be must have evaluated him as a player and thought he would be valuable to the team.

I never had high expectations on Oberto but I will admit that I was expecting an aggressive player that had a foul mouth :lol
At least Oberto wouldn’t make me cringe when he was on the floor, in fact he gave me that happy “yay for him” vibe I get from Mark- does that sense?

[Taking it to the Hole]

Scola isn't coming over, we just need to realize that. His buyout is too large and the Spurs are not even sold on him. I think right now, Scola is at best a sweetner for a trade deal, but I don't see him coming over this year or even next year. The Spurs have wanted to get something for Scola for a long time. Right now, Scola doesn't fill a need on our team. He could play back-up PF , but I don't think the Spurs want to take a gamble on him right now. I think the only prospect that gets an offer from the Spurs this year is Javtokas. Everybody else we are going to pick up in free agency or through trades.

[strangeweather]

Scola isn't coming over, we just need to realize that. His buyout is too large and the Spurs are not even sold on him. I think right now, Scola is at best a sweetner for a trade deal, but I don't see him coming over this year or even next year. The Spurs have wanted to get something for Scola for a long time. Right now, Scola doesn't fill a need on our team. He could play back-up PF , but I don't think the Spurs want to take a gamble on him right now. I think the only prospect that gets an offer from the Spurs this year is Javtokas. Everybody else we are going to pick up in free agency or through trades.
Whether it's to the Spurs or someone else, why wouldn't Scola come over next year when he has no buyout at all?

[Solid D]

Luis sort of reminds me of Malik Rose. They have similar styles as energy players.

However, he'll never reach the greatness that is Omar Cook, IcemanCometh.

http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/omar_cook.jpg

[waly.mg]

Backup PF?

Who´s the PF? Duncan, he looks like a Center in All the PO

If he´s going to play as center, Luis can be starter or a player who plays 20 minutes as PF from the bench

[SPARKY]

Hmmm...Manu turned out to be as good as advertised. Oh well.

[Taking it to the Hole]

Whether it's to the Spurs or someone else, why wouldn't Scola come over next year when he has no buyout at all?

I only say next year, because the Spurs may do something with his rights midseason, before the trade deadline if things don't look too great and they find a good deal to move someone. Scola might just be thrown into the package.

[ducks]

they will trade him by draft night
scola can not handle rc emailing him to tell him to work on his game

how in hell is he going to handle po going off at him :oops

[strangeweather]

I only say next year, because the Spurs may do something with his rights midseason, before the trade deadline if things don't look too great and they find a good deal to move someone. Scola might just be thrown into the package.
If the $3-4M buyout rumors are right, I think he gets signed or traded this year. If they're wrong and Tau wants the full package, I think it's next year. No one that's not on the inside really knows what the buyout deal is.

Either way, my gut feel is that Scola is probably more likely as trade bait than on the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

they will trade him by draft night
scola can not handle rc emailing him to tell him to work on his game


Scola didn't handle it? Did he grab his shotgun and rampage through the Spanish hillside?

No.

The issue was R.C.'s lack of tact in the email. I'd be a little steamed about it, myself, such nitpicking after a great win. But Buford is famous for not being the most socially gracious.

[temujin]

and whether this is the time the Spurs should be acclimating more Euroleague guys into the NBA anyway.

Enough of the Parkers and Ginobilis.

[ducks]

Scola didn't handle it? Did he grab his shotgun and rampage through the Spanish hillside?

No.

The issue was R.C.'s lack of tact in the email. I'd be a little steamed about it, myself, such nitpicking after a great win. But Buford is famous for not being the most socially gracious.

I would say that spurs and him are not on the greatest terms.....
and I wanted him over rose

I am just being realistic thinking he will not be a spur he can ask to be traded you know

[ducks]

Enough of the Parkers and Ginobilis.


yeah they never helped get a ring to sa never :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :wakeup

[temujin]

The Scola thing has been going on for quite some time.

Make it or break it.

Make no mistake, he is no Oberto.

Spurs need to focus on the Suns and Mavs in 2007, and Scola is perfect to play small ball.
He'll limit Novitski.

[temujin]

yeah they never helped get a ring to sa never :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :wakeup

Scola is that caliber.

I like Javtokas: he runs bikes.

[temujin]

So who needs to work on his game?
Scola
or
Buford handing out 7.5 Millions (dollars, but still...) to Oberto?

[SPARKY]

Spurs need whoever they can try out.

[waly.mg]

The Scola thing has been going on for quite some time.

Make it or break it.

Make no mistake, he is no Oberto.

Spurs need to focus on the Suns and Mavs in 2007, and Scola is perfect to play small ball.
He'll limit Novitski.

Probably he can´t limit Nowitzki too much (who can?), but Irk can´t limit Scola, in the +- situation, this is a great thing

If we have TD and Scola in the field, and the other team don´t play defense, we can score 50 points between both

[SPARKY]

Yeah, poor rebounding and trying to outscore your opponent while shunning defense wins championships.

[waly.mg]

Poor rebounding with Tim Duncan as the Center?

We are talking about to limit Nowitzki

I saw Scola playing and if he play one on one with Irk, he´s not going to loose so Far, because is better than Dirk in Defense and a little less in Offense

Check this answer of Alvaro Martin, of ESPN Basketball in Spanish


Diego (asu-Py): Un gusto saludarlo Don Alvaro!, lamentablemente no va a poder ser de nuevo una dinastia mi queripo equipo tejano, pero bueno, mirar para adelante. Solo una pregunta, a ver si me puede graficar esta idea que me da vueltas en la cabeza: fue POP el que se equivoco en la serie contra MAVS? Jamas los SPURS jugaron de esa manera, olvidaron su identidad, la defensa, y juagamos al ritmo y segun la propuesta de los de Cuban! para mi el error mas grande vino de el, y no de los jugadores, q dieron todo de si... una verguenza deportiva encomiable! Saludos a Coach Morales.

Alvaro Martin: Estimado Diego y paraguayos: sorprendio que Popovich no insistiese, por sus decisiones de personal, no emplear una alineacion mas alta. Nesterovich y Mohammed nopueden marcar a Nowitzki eficazmente. Popovich penso que Horry resultaria un facsimil razonable, pero no fue asi. Creo que este desenlace y esta realidad acelerara la llegada de Luis Scola,que puede emplear a Nowitzki en la defensa y comprometerlo con faltas, al mismo tiempo que puede dificultarle la importante labor anotadora. El reto que presenta Nowitzki,como rival de division y de conferencia, es la prioridad numero uno de San Antonio.


Traslation: Aproximately

Alvaro Martin: Dear Diego and Paraguayans: I was surprised that Popovich did not insist, not to use a high alignment but. Nesterovich and Mohammed cannot defend effectively to Nowitzki. Popovich thought that Horry would be a reasonable defender, but was not thus. I believe that this outcome and this reality at the same time accelerated the arrival of Luis Scola, who can use to Nowitzki in the defense and jeopardize him with Fouls, that can make difficult the important scoring work to him. The challenge that presents Nowitzki, like conference and division rival, is the priority I number one of San Antonio.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Yeah Javtokas definitely is not ready for the nba (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwkeNIOkOo&search=javtokas)

Very impressive.

[SPARKY]

Very impressive.


Radoslav who?

[ducks]

Radoslav who?

rose WHO :lol

[waly.mg]

Tau Ceramica eliminated Barcelona 3-0 advancing to the ACB Final in Spain

Scola´s Last Game

20 Points
9/15 FG: 60%
2/2 FT: 100%
8 Rebounds
34 Minutes

Last Quarter:(10 Minutes)

TAU 28 - Barcelona 9
Scola:
8 Points (3/4 FG - 2/2 FT)
4 Rebounds(1OD y 3 DR)

[Bruno]

Tau Ceramica eliminated Barcelona 3-0 advancing to the ACB Final in Spain

Scola´s Last Game

20 Points
9/15 FG: 60%
2/2 FT: 100%
8 Rebounds
34 Minutes

Last Quarter:(10 Minutes)

TAU 28 - Barcelona 9
Scola:
8 Points (3/4 FG - 2/2 FT)
4 Rebounds(1OD y 3 DR)

Tau did a 15-0 run at the start of the fourth (with Scola and Hansen)
I've watched the end of the third and the fourth quarter of this game and Scola was good. Barcelona double Scola in the post, Scola did some nice assist and hit some midrange jumpers (16-18ft). His rebounding was quite good too.

[SPARKY]

Javtokas this year, Scola the next, and Mahinmi whenever. Can't wait.

[waly.mg]

Barcelona´s Big Men:

Starters:

PF: Fucka, Gregor : 7´1": 17 Points and 5 Rebounds
C: Marconato, Denis: 6´11": 9 Points and 8 Rebounds

Bench:
Gasol, Marc (Pau´s Brother): 7´1" : 2 Points 3 Rebounds

Games Recap in Spanish

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=31905




...De todos modos, el primer cuarto fue muy igualado, aunque sirvió para demostrar básicamente la enorme superioridad de Luis Scola bajo los tableros.(Trsl: the enormous superiority of Luis Scola under boards )

...Todo apuntaba a que el conjunto de Dusko Ivanovic tenía encarrilado su primer triunfo de la temporada ante el TAU Cerámica, pero el cuadro de Velimir Perasovic protagonizó en el arranque del último periodo un parcial de 0-13 lo metió de lleno en el partido (69-69, min.34).

Hansen, al que los jugadores del Winterthur FC Barcelona no habían cargado con más faltas, intentaba remedar a Navarro desde el perímetro, y tanto Luis Scola como Tiago Splitter recuperaron el dominio en la pintura.(Trsl: and as much Luis Scola as Tiago Splitter recovered the dominion in the paint)

El TAU Cerámica se puso por delante al aumentar el parcial a un 0-15 tras una canasta de Scola y tuvo que aparecer Juan Carlos Navarro para poner fin a la sangría, aunque desde la línea de tiros libres y fallando el primero de los dos lanzamientos de que dispuso.

Ese primer punto del Barcelona en el último cuarto dejó las cosas en un 70-71 a falta de menos de cinco minutos para la conclusión y con el TAU Cerámica lanzado de la mano de Luis Scola (Trsl: TAU sent of the hand of Luis Scola )hacia el 3-0 que finiquitaba la eliminatoria.



The "undersized" Scola was the Max Rebounder with 8,

[waly.mg]

Tau did a 15-0 run at the start of the fourth (with Scola and Hansen)
I've watched the end of the third and the fourth quarter of this game and Scola was good. Barcelona double Scola in the post, Scola did some nice assist and hit some midrange jumpers (16-18ft). His rebounding was quite good too.

If Barcelona can´t stop Scola, with doubles of 1 Man of 6´11" and other with 7´11", i don´t know how can Irk stop Him

[Bruno]

If Barcelona can´t stop Scola, with doubles of 1 Man of 6´11" and other with 7´11", i don´t know how can Irk stop Him

Fucka and Marconato are too slow and unathletic to handle Scola. When they didn't double him in the post (maybe one or two times in the 15 minutes I've watched), he schooled his opponent quite easily.

[leemajors]

7'11"? that's one big boy... :p

[waly.mg]

7´1" Sorry

[Bruno]

BTW, I don't get why you are all so low on Scola.
I think that this guy can really help us next year : Scola at PF and Ducan at C is a very good frontcourt.
A Duncan/Scola/Javtokas/Rasho/Horry bigmen rotation will be huge next year.

:worthy: Sign Scola :worthy:

[ChumpDumper]

If the price is right bring him on down. I'm impressed that his shotblocking numbers are up among other things. He's no Ben Wallace but it looks like he's at least working at it.

[SPARKY]

You go with Scola if you can't get a, say, Reggie Evans. Then you hope that Javtokas can board better than Mohammed/Nesterovic (not a high threshold, but still). Maybe you also hope that Scola can board well too.

[Bruno]

You go with Scola if you can't get a, say, Reggie Evans.

I go with Scola over Evans without an hesitation.

[SPARKY]

Good, then he gets the Oberto deal. The team needs a backup 3 and we might be able to snag a Ju Jones for $3 mil or so starting salary.

Javtokas+Scola+Jones wouldn't be bad.

[ChumpDumper]

Scola's one dimension > Evans' one dimension. I just see zero upside to Evans.

[SPARKY]

Scola's one dimension > Evans' one dimension. I just see zero upside to Evans.

I don't have a problem with a big who is intent on rebounding no matter what. Scola would've been better than starting power forward Michael Finley, I will say that.

[Kori Ellis]

Scola's one dimension > Evans' one dimension. I just see zero upside to Evans.

Evans - you know he can rebound in this league.

Scola - you think he can score in this league, but don't know anything.

Either way, I don't think I'd want to pay either of them more than 2M a year.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have a problem with a big who is intent on rebounding no matter what.That was Nazr, wasn't it? Been there, done that. Gotta bring something else, and I just haven't seen any evidence that Reggie would save the occasional sacgrab.

[ChumpDumper]

Evans - you know he can rebound in this league.

Scola - you think he can score in this league, but don't know anything.

Either way, I don't think I'd want to pay either of them more than 2M a year.True enough. But you have to make a leap of faith with any draft pick.

[Bruno]

Scola's one dimension > Evans' one dimension. I just see zero upside to Evans.

I don't see Scola as an one dimension player.

[SPARKY]

That was Nazr, wasn't it? Been there, done that. Gotta bring something else, and I just haven't seen any evidence that Reggie would save the occasional sacgrab.

Not even close.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see Scola as an one dimension player.On an NBA level, I do until I see different. I'll only leap so far.

[timvp]

Evans - you know he can rebound in this league.

Scola - you think he can score in this league, but don't know anything.

Exactly.

I guess ChumpDumper missed the playoffs. Spurs were outrebounded in 11 of the final 12 games. Rebounding was problem number one.

Scoring? That was problem #223,534,817. Spurs were scoring fine. Their offense was clicking. What killed the Spurs is their interior defense sucked and it was hurt even more because they couldn't rebound.

So yeah, let's get a guy who doesn't rebound and isn't an interior defender.

Brilliant.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, I read the thread.

Will Evans help the defense? Really?

And if he's out at the arc guarding Dirk, God forbid, how will that affect the only thing he does well?

Small ball is a very different animal. The offense is much less likely to click with two offensive liabilities out there. I guess we can always waive Bowen....

[Cant_Be_Faded]

People are going to scoff at us for making Scola our Argentinian Jesus.

[timvp]

Evans will rebound which will help the defense. And of course, he'll become a better defender under Pop. Rasho was a horrible defender in Minnesota under Flip. Nazr didn't know how to spell defense before he got to San Antonio (given, he never really advanced passed the second E).

In close games against the Mavs, how many times did the Spurs get a stop and a rebound? That rarely happened. The Spurs big stops were almost always either steals or if the Mavs threw it away. Or a couple of times when airballs went out of bounds.

If nothing else, Evans can rebound. That in itself will help the defense.

And what is this about two offensive liabilities? You do see that the Mavs are currently starting Griffin and Diop, right? That doesn't seem to be hurting the 2006 NBA champions.

The Mavs could go small because their smallest lineup was still a better rebounding lineup. If the Spurs can get the rebounding edge, then that changes everything. You slow down the tempo. You get Dirk in foul trouble. You run the fast break back at them.

Spurs weren't able to do any of that because they couldn't grab a rebound. If the Spurs don't fix their rebounding problem before the start of the season, the season will be over before it starts.

Unless Scola has been hitting up the HGH and is now a good rebounder, there's no way I'd want him over Evans.

[Nikos]

I agree that Evans rebounding alone helps the defense. His offensive rebounding is very helpful as well. Just getting the team extra possesions will be something the team was unable getting unless it was Tim Duncan getting his own offensive rebound/putback.

I would give Evans a try and feel comfortable he could help the team.

[ChumpDumper]

Even if all you say is true, does Evans get a $3 million 1st year offer and no guarantees for PT? Or do we completely commit to small ball after one failed experiment?
You do see that the Mavs are currently starting Griffin and Diop, right?We're the ones who went small, not them. That and they didn't start Giff against us, that was the whole point.
If the Spurs don't fix their rebounding problem before the start of the season, the season will be over before it starts.That may simply mean getting a bigman Pop trusts more to do what he wants than Rasho or Nazr.

In short, I'm not sold on changing to small ball full time, and not convinced Evans is a player Pop would even consider signing at this point. I'd prefer Hayes, I just think he'd be the type.

But that's what fantasy GMing is all about.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, and the only thing Nazr learned about D here is how much he sucks at it.

[gospursgojas]

Evans has no game

Scola is old and probally will be another Oberto

I say sign neither...

[ChumpDumper]

I have to say Evans' splits against the Mavs don't give me alot of confidence, but they are better than Hayes'.

[timvp]

I must admit that Scola's splits against the Mavs are impressive.

:jack

[ChumpDumper]

And Scola's then.

I'm excited by none of them against the Mavs.

[RC's Boss]

I say screw Scola, we have Tim to do what he does. I looked at more footage of this "Ivan Drago" dude and I liked the way he ran the floor. It would be a good fit for a big man that can get up and down the floor in this new era of small ballz, get it? SMALL BALLZ?!?!?!?!