There's Something About Mary

[Nbadan]

SOMETHING ABOUT MARY:


I keep getting emails asserting that Kerry's mentioning of Mary Cheney is somehow offensive or gratuitous or a "low blow". Huh? Mary Cheney is out of the closet and a member, with her partner, of the vice-president's family. That's a public fact. No one's privacy is being invaded by mentioning this. When Kerry cites Bush's wife or daughters, no one says it's a "low blow." The double standards are entirely a function of people's lingering prejudice against gay people. And by mentioning it, Kerry showed something important. This issue is not an abstract one. It's a concrete, human and real one. It affects many families, and Bush has decided to use this cynically as a divisive weapon in an election campaign.

He deserves to be held to account for this - and how much more effective than showing a real person whose relationship and dignity he has attacked and minimized? Does this makes Bush's base uncomfortable? Well, good. It's about time they were made uncomfortable in their acquiescence to discrimination. Does it make Bush uncomfortable? Even better. His decision to bar gay couples from having any protections for their relationships in the constitution is not just a direct attack on the family member of the vice-president. It's an attack on all families with gay members - and on the family as an institution. That's a central issue in this campaign, a key indictment of Bush's record and more than relevant to any debate. For four years, this president has tried to make gay people invisible, to avoid any mention of us, to pretend we don't exist. Well, we do. Right in front of him.

Andrew Sullivan

[Yonivore]

SOMETHING ABOUT MARY:



Andrew Sullivan
Kerry's screwed himself again. What's the matter, doesn't he have any gay friends to talk about?

[Marcus Bryant]

The moderator did not ask Kerry about Cheney's daughter, unlike in the VP debate. I can cut Edwards slack for that because the moderator made that the issue.

But Kerry's mention of her was pretty low.

Elizabeth Edwards' response was even lower.

[Spurgal]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


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[SpursWoman]

What is the job description of "Professional Homosexual" ?

[Hook Dem]

The leftists are showing just how immoral they really are! :rolleyes

[spurster]

Good grief! She's running the VP's re-election campaign. It's not like she's hiding from the media in a position like that.

[Marcus Bryant]

That's good. After all, what is unseemly about bringing up the personal life of an opponent's family member in a presidential debate?

I mean if it's valid to bring up aspects of the personal lives of members of a VP candidate's family which are publicly known then I think Bush should've mentioned Elizabeth Edwards' struggle with obesity when he was answering questions about health care. After all, the impact that derives from those afflicted by that condition on health care expenditures in this country is quite significant. The Lord knows John Edwards is well aware of the struggles that come with living with and loving a porker and dammit, we think he ought to be commended for that.

I may be wrong, but I believe she has spoken publicly about the challenges she has faced being an openly obese individual in American society. She's made countless public appearances with her husband and spoke at the Democrat convention. It's not like she has been hiding from the media. Good grief!

[SpursWoman]

and how much more effective than showing a real person whose relationship and dignity he has attacked and minimized?


Kerry & Edwards don't give 2 shits about Mary Cheney and her partner. If they had any respect at all for her and her partner they would have respected their privacy and wouldn't have singled her out and tried to make a spectacle out of her for campaign purposes.

And if you think it was anything other than that you need to get what ya'll so lovingly refer to as: "your head out of their asses."

Cheney flat out stated that he didn't agree with Bush on the issue, but he supports his boss. And if this is the #1 most important issue for you and you you don't agree with Bush's view, then don't vote for him.

[exstatic]

Good grief! She's running the VP's re-election campaign. It's not like she's hiding from the media in a position like that.


Yeah, Papa's so proud and accepting of her that reporters were shocked to see her exit the front of the plane upon arrival for the VP debate. It's commonly known that she usually leaves via the back of the plane, and leaves her partner at home.

[exstatic]

Oh, and she also failed to make an appearance on stage at the GOP convention with the rest of the family. Of course, the Religious Reich probably would have stoned her to death on the spot.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah dude they're Nazis man.

[SpursWoman]

Yep, we're nothing but a bunch of violent, racist biggots. God, do we have any redeeming qualities at all?

:wtf

[exstatic]

Are you part of the Religious Reich, SW? If you think Fred Phelps is a god-fearing man, and not an asshole then you might be...

[Marcus Bryant]

It's commonly known that Elizabeth Edwards eats a horse a day why can't the Kerry-Edwards campaign acknowledge that?

[Marcus Bryant]

Just curious, how does one know if they are a member of what you have deemed the "Religious Reich"?

[exstatic]

Read before you knee-jerk post, Matthew.

[Marcus Bryant]

Come on Marky, bring it or shut the fuck up already.

[exstatic]

You missed it in your hissy fit. Read above, bitch.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh my, it sounds like you are having one "hissy fit" right about now.

I'm sorry, but there is something distinctly ironic about a man who wears a fanny pack referring to anyone else as a "bitch".

[exstatic]

Murphy, you're beginning to piss me off. I know that you're just an baby faced boy in real life, but if you think I'm a bitch, then bring it next GTG. I'll take off my fanny pack, and wipe the floor with your Mick ass. You've been called out and I'm waiting.

[Marcus Bryant]

You're cute when you're angry.

Oh good, now you are making ethnic slurs. I thought only members of the "Religious Reich" did such things.

[exstatic]

That's what I thought. All keyboard, no cajones. You're dismissed, boy.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sorry, but I don't make a habit of making a late night rendezous with a man from a messageboard.

Also, your threats of violence are quite interesting. What Reich do you belong to?

[exstatic]

The Reich of Mick ass kicking. You're dodging the subject, boy. I never asked for a late night rendezvous. I want everyone at the GTG to see the throw down.

Don't you think you can handle an old man wearing a fanny pack?

[Marcus Bryant]

Whoa, you want me to meet up with you and pack your fanny? Slow down. It was bad enough that you called me "baby faced."

Also, just an aside, but I believe "Mick" stopped being an insult of any substance in about 1962.

It's nice to know that you are so readily to engage in violence against those who disagree with you. I'm confused, that seems like something only 'Religious Reich' members would do.

[SpursWoman]

This thread is rife with.....


































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[exstatic]

Just as I thought. You're an internet bitch. Real big at the keyboard, but a coward at heart. Did mommy cut the crusts off your sammiches and cause you to get beat up at school?

[exstatic]

Matt is definitely not giving off any...more like estrogen.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yeah well your mom dresses you funny.

[dcole50]

Damn, this is why I hate discussing politics. People lose their temper in a hurry and resort to grade school name calling.

[timvp]

Keep it real, old school.

:fro

[Useruser666]

Is that the American Gladiators theme song that just started playing?

Man what happened to the fight smilie?

The fanny pack stuff is kind of funny because me and some friends at work just weened a guy off wearing one. We had an intervention.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

AndrewSullivan.com

Oh, now I get it. James Taranto is suddenly aghast and upset at gay-baiting! Better late than never, I suppose. In fact, I'm deeply heartened by so many Republicans suddenly concerned about the smearing of homosexuals for political purposes. The reason for Taranto's assertion? He says that Kerry was pandering to the anti-gay parts of the Democratic base, by letting the last few souls on earth know, in an entirely positive way, that the vice-president's daughter is openly gay. And the way Kerry "gay-baited" was to say that homosexuality is not a choice, that he supports equal rights for gay couples, and that Mary Cheney helps prove that being gay isn't a choice. That'll rile 'em up in the trenches, won't it? Seriously, I've called out anti-gay statements by Democrats in the past; and have a long record of sniffing out homophobia and the use of it, wherever it's coming from. Certainly my record is, shall we say, more substantial than Taranto's in this regard. And I fail to see how Kerry's remark could be understood in any conceivable way as gay-baiting. It never occurred to me when I heard it. It does not occur to me now. You know what is based in gay-baiting? Implicitly, clearly, shamelessly: the Bush-Cheney campaign. The GOP has a nutty candidate in Illinois who called Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist" - but Dick Cheney wasn't an "angry dad," then. Lynne Cheney didn't call that "tawdry." So Bush runs the most anti-gay national campaign ever and it's his opponent who gets tarred as a homophobe! Brilliant, even by Rove's standards. And when it comes to gay-baiting, there are few as practised as Rove. The sheer nerve of these hypocrites never ceases to amaze.

[Nbadan]

Now that we have gotten the cock fight out of the way, back to the original topic. Here is a excellent article that rings so true about this whole controversy...


Outrage That Rings False

By Hilary Rosen
Saturday, October 16, 2004; Page A23

Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, said, "This is a bad man."

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The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney -- using her now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush reelection campaign.

Let's review the facts. Before the election season, this administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with such actions as the Office of Personnel Management's announcement that the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton administration's order to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination rules in the federal government.

After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb. 24. That was the day the president announced to the country that heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access to government benefits of marriage.

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Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37009-2004Oct15.html)

[Bandit2981]

Pat Robertson: Blames Mary Cheney, by extension, of responsibility for 9/11 terrorist attacks. "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America--I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen."(September 2001)

Lynn and Dick Cheney's response: Silence

Rick Santorum: Accuses Mary Cheney, by definition, of immorality comparable to polygamy, adultery and incest. "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual (gay) sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything." (April 2003)

Lynn and Dick Cheney's response: Silence

Alan Keyes: Specifically accuses Mary Cheney, by name, of being a "selfish hedonist." (August 2004)

Lynn and Dick Cheney's response: Silence

John Kerry: Sympathetically and eloquently explains that the Cheney's gay daughter is "she's being who she was. She's being who she was born as."

Lynn and Dick Cheney's response: THIS IS NOT A GOOD MAN!!!! WHAT A CHEAP AND TAWDRY POLITICAL TRICK!!! YOU SAW A MAN WHO WILL DO AND SAY ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED!!!