Stackhouse suspended

[infinite styles]

I haven't read through everything but to me its not really a questionable suspension. Stack went in with intent on putting Shaq on the floor. In todays league (which by the way, you can thank Cuban for) thats a suspension. Plus Stack had a motive if not two when he did this. Anybody remember the bloody nose he got when he tried to drive on Shaq in an earlier game? Anyways Mavs players need to start looking in the mirror when they get mad at these suspensions because they are only doing it to themselves.

[Shank]

Question: How much extra effort does a player have to put out to put a "hard foul" on Shaq? If you don't push him harder than an average-sized player, he throws you off like a gnat.

Stack did what was necessary and Shaq and his dirty little antics will get their comeuppance before this thing is over.

[LEONARD]

AJ complaining? Nahhh. When's the blog out?


Dude, Cuban is going to blog the shit out of the league!


Any moment now...
http://www.blogmaverick.com/

Massive fines ensue.


You know Cuban is going to bitch and blog about this non stop, more than he's ever bitched and blogged before.


http://www.blogmaverick.com/

Cuban owned you all by not blogging... :smokin

Cuban is the man... :fro

[Trainwreck2100]

Hard fouls don't exost anymore why is that so hard to understand, thank you Mark Cuban.

[ChumpDumper]

But he did whine, so what's the difference? :smokin

Cuban is the whiny bitch. :fro

[ShoogarBear]

No sniveling here, Shoogar. Some of us Mavs fans are happy about Stack's suspension. It might be just what Dallas needs to shake them out of their lethargy and get them back to playing like they did in the series against the Spurs.

If they can do that, they will win just like they did against the Spurs- because the Spurs are a much better team than Miami. If they keep playing like a junior high team playing in a big gym for the first time- they will lose. And they will deserve to lose if they continue playing like that.
There's no question the Mavs have the better players. The question is going to be whether Dirk is a true leader or just another guy with a lot of talent.

[ShoogarBear]

And Cuban is a massive bleeding stack of excrement whether he blogs or not.

[LEONARD]

And Cuban is a massive bleeding stack of excrement whether he blogs or not.

Cuban is the man... :fro

[Trainwreck2100]

Cuban is the man... :fro

Who got rid of hard fouls

[td4mvp3]

there should be no debate in this. stack should not have come close to doing what he did and avery should have expected this in light of all the other suspensions. kerr is just wrong, regardless if he played. the league has been very consistent with calling this stuff this year, as shown by the list of suspended players he, himself, presented. and we've all seen folks just grab shaq and hold his arms or something to keep him from scoring and going to the free throws. plus, by that point, how far behind was dallas? the idea that you don't get a layup in a 20-plus loss just sounds ridiculous. as for looking at the still shot, the actual moving reply leaves no doubt that there was no play on the ball, not when he's hitting shaq's chest and throat first.

[Slinkyman]

Question: How much extra effort does a player have to put out to put a "hard foul" on Shaq? If you don't push him harder than an average-sized player, he throws you off like a gnat.

Stack did what was necessary and Shaq and his dirty little antics will get their comeuppance before this thing is over.

How is Shaq going to throw anybody off like a gnat while he is in the air going for a dunk? If it wasn't a fastbreak but rather Shaq with the ball with his back to the basket trying to back down Dampier when the foul happen you might have a point. But that's not the case here, shaq was in the air and you don't "hard foul" someone in the air like that. A good hard foul doesn't end in that player landing in the 1st row where they could end up injuried, that's a cheap shot.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Stackhouse: 'Obviously, I'm angry'
By ART GARCIA
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

Mavericks guard Jerry Stackhouse was suspended for Sunday’s Game 5 of The NBA Finals for his flagrant foul Thursday against Heat center Shaquille O’Neal. The best-of-seven championship is tied 2-2.

Stackhouse spoke Saturday to the Star-Telegram about the suspension, its repercussions and the state of the team.
Do you feel you got a raw deal from the NBA?

“Obviously, I’m angry with the whole situation. I just want to move forward. We’re trying to look at it as positive as we can. It was a hard foul. The game dictated that. It was a physical game. That play was just a hard play within that game. The game has changed over the last 10 years, but this is The Finals. You let the game dictate the game. The officials are used to dealing with it. The game was just flowing that way. We accept it for what it is. I know the guys are going to be motivated to go out and play hard and get this win. The way I look at it, I should have fresh legs on Tuesday night.”
Can something like this galvanize a team?

“It’s ironic. The last time we won here [Nov. 25], I was over there cheering on the sideline [with a knee injury]. It can happen again. We just have to turn this around a little bit. It’s about making shots. It’s about doing what we’ve done all year.”
So this can get the team going?

“All of those things sound good, but we’ve just to get back to doing what we do good. Maybe this is something to help to push us over the edge to jump start us, to get us going, but this team is better than what we’ve played the last two games. That’s more of our focus.”
Do you talk to your teammates about picking up the slack or do they say they’re going to win this for you?

“It’s understood. That’s the given part of it. Somebody is going to step up. That’s what we’ve done all year. We won 60 games and I missed the first 26 of them. It’s The Finals. We know that. It’s about us playing better. It’s not about who’s out. It’s not like we need a battle cry to ‘Pick it, pick it up.’ That’s going to be done. We’ve just got to get back to playing Maverick basketball.”
When Jason Williams slowed up to give the ball up to Shaq, how did you see the play from there?

“[Williams] pretty much dictated the play. When I saw him slowing up looking for someone to pass to, I knew I was almost even with Shaq. I just had to pick my speed up a bit to get going. And I’m going from previous contact that I’ve had with Shaq already in this series. I go to the ground and get crumbled like nothing, so I’m expecting the contact. He’s 400 pounds, almost twice my size. I’m almost bracing myself for impact. It just so happens I caught him as he was about to take off. It’s a hard play. I’m been on the other side of it quite a few times. You get up and knock your free throws down. They called a flagrant because of the way he fell. It wasn’t so much impact. It’s how he fell. Sort of like [Phoenix guard] Joe Johnson last year. They called a flagrant foul on me for that. My coach, my owner, my team would want me to make that play 10 out of 10 times. Again, I will make that play 10 out of 10 times if the exact same scenario happens.”
Does the play look worse than it was to you and can you understand the league’s logic?

“From my standpoint, it’s a hard foul. It’s the same foul I got one of the first times I went to the basket. [O’Neal] didn’t make a play on the ball when I got three stitches. He was just trying to stop my momentum going to the basket. If you look at it in slow motion like my play was looked at in slow motion. That’s neither here nor there for me. The fact of the matter is I made the play that was warranted for that situation in the third quarter. I hear people say it was out of frustration. Where is the frustration? It’s the third quarter. We’re making a run in the third quarter. It’s a 10-point game at the start of the fourth quarter. I don’t get it.”
So you weren’t trying to hurt Shaq?

“I’m going to foul him to make him take two shots. He’s a guy that stopped my progress three times on the dime. I know what it feels like to run into him, so I’m going at him with more than probably any other player on the court.”
How are you going to spend the game?

“I don’t know what to do. I came out here to play a game at The Finals. This is the worst. I’m going to be cheering these guys, pumping these guys up until the game tomorrow. Hopefully they come out and play our game, and leave here up 3-2.”
Can you even watch the game?

“I’m definitely going to watch it. I don’t know what the plan is yet. I still can’t believe it. Fielding questions about the foul [after Game 4], I said it was a hard foul. I didn’t field any questions about being suspended. It didn’t even come into my mind that there was any chance in the world that I was getting suspended. I’m watching TV that night and people saying I’m going to be suspended. I’m like ‘Wow, that’s amazing.’ ”


http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/nba/dallas_mavericks/14843909.htm

[SPARKY]

It's someone else's fault.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Stack isn't exactly the brightest guy in the world...

[Islymore]

in the end... he's suspended... lets hope it gives the mavs more motivation... we shall see... i thot it was just a hard foul, didnt even think of a suspension... but it is what it is... and we shall see who gets the most momentum from it... the mavs or the heat?

[Shank]

Stack isn't exactly the brightest guy in the world...

What's that supposed to mean?

[Winnipeg_Spur]

My coach, my owner, my team would want me to make that play 10 out of 10 times. Again, I will make that play 10 out of 10 times if the exact same scenario happens.
Either his coach, his owner and his team want him to be suspended 10 out of 10 times, or he's an idiot.

No one disputes that it was a flagrant (except maybe Stack) and I really doubt you want to say that you'll continue to give flagrant fouls to players driving to the basket. You probably also shouldn't say that your coach, your owner and your team wants you to flagrant guys.

[baseline bum]

It means Stack's a fucking moron.

[Slinkyman]

I like how Stack brings up that cheap shot on Joe Johnson as if that helps his case? :lol Is he trying to prove to everyone that he's a dirty player. What a fucking moron.

[TheSanityAnnex]

No one disputes that it was a flagrant (except maybe Stack) .I don't think Shaq thought it was suspension worthy.

[Slinkyman]

I don't think Shaq thought it was suspension worthy.

when's the last time you had a face to face with Shaq? What he says to the media is all entertainment, he's trying to be funny. When the play happened he wanted to kill stack so i think privately he wants a suspension where as he won't say that to the media.

[Trainwreck2100]

when's the last time you had a face to face with Shaq? What he says to the media is all entertainment, he's trying to be funny. When the play happened he wanted to kill stack so i think privately he wants a suspension where as he won't say that to the media.


Like Mark Cuban says this is a business, and like any business you take the advantage where you find it.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

I don't think Shaq thought it was suspension worthy.
I didn't say no one disputes it was suspension worthy, I said no one disputes it was a flagrant. Big difference.

[TheSanityAnnex]

when's the last time you had a face to face with Shaq? What he says to the media is all entertainment, he's trying to be funny. When the play happened he wanted to kill stack so i think privately he wants a suspension where as he won't say that to the media.Shaq wants to win this thing against a full Mavs squad. I highly doubt he was secretly hoping for the suspension. By the way, did you have a face to face with him?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I didn't say no one disputes it was suspension worthy, I said no one disputes it was a flagrant. Big difference.Gotcha. Yeah, of course it was flagrant.

[Amarelooms]

Thanks for the post. I agree with Stack...good hard foul (flagrant 1)....do it again if you have to. F the league and David Stern.

[leemajors]

Thanks for the post. I agree with Stack...good hard foul (flagrant 1)....do it again if you have to. F the league and David Stern.

this is the one thing the NBA has been consistent about through the entire playoffs. stack is stupid to think if he made that kind of play and did not think there was a good chance he would be suspended. the nba is not putting up with this kind of play.

[dirk4mvp]

But they put up with nut grabbing? Consistentcy...right.

[Mavs<Spurs]

But they put up with nut grabbing? Consistentcy...right.

In the NBA, these two plays are not considered equivalent.

You believe that from the standpoint of the NBA and its rule book that:

A forearm to the face with no attempt on the ball at full force which sent a man of Shaq's size flying into the cameras

=


a gross and inappropriate but relatively harmless goosing of Kaman?

[dirk4mvp]

Harmless? Let Evans put your stuff in a "head" lock.

[Shank]

A forearm to the face with no attempt on the ball at full force which sent a man of Shaq's size flying into the cameras ?

Jesus, what tape did you see where it came off as violently as you describe it?

Forearm to the face. No attempt on the ball. Full speed. Shaq FLYING into the cameras.

I'd imagine you're quiet adept at fish tales.

[MWILL]

Stackhouse got screwed! but, the MAVS will win game 5 and close it in DALLAS.

Who gives a fuck what a WHINNEY SPUR FAN SAYS!! We beat you.... get over it.


The heat is overrated!!

[MissAllThat]

Stackhouse got screwed! but, the MAVS will win game 5 and close it in DALLAS.

Who gives a fuck what a WHINNEY SPUR FAN SAYS!! We beat you.... get over it.


The heat is overrated!!

Again with the spelling, you'd think you people would know how to spell a word you use so often.

[Leetonidas]

Stackhouse got screwed! but, the MAVS will win game 5 and close it in DALLAS.

Who gives a fuck what a WHINNEY SPUR FAN SAYS!! We beat you.... get over it.


The heat is overrated!!

:lmao

[MWILL]

I'm sorry... FUCK Cleveland too!!

[Mavs<Spurs]

I thought about this for quite a while before posting because I'm not all about piling on:

I'll be honest with you: at the time, I didn't expect a suspension. Perhaps part of that was motivated by Mike Breen and Hubie Brown's comments, I am not sure.


However,

(1) why take the chance? Let's say that you think it should be allowed, you also must be aware of the suspensions that the league has handed out earlier.

(2) In retrospect, the suspension looks obvious. When you consider the previous suspensions in this year's playoffs, then you must conclude that Stackhouse had to be suspended in order to maintain that consistency that is so important to Avery.

(3) What ever happened to personal responsibility? It apparently does not exist on the Mavericks basketball team. It is always somebody else's fault that one of their players gets suspended. I don't get that.

Terry throws a punch at Finley's groin and he is suspended, but it is somebody's else fault.

Mbenga goes into the stands and gets an automatic suspension (and the league has been crystal clear about this due to the Piston Pacer brawl), but it is somebody else's fault.

Stackhouse intentionally throws a forearm into Shaq's face, makes no play at the ball and follows through sending Shaq flying off the court into the cameras and gets suspended, but it is somebody else's fault.

First time is strange and a cheap shot, but one hopes that it is an anomaly.

Second time and you have to wonder what is going on.

Third time and now we have removed all doubt. This is a pattern and it appears to be a conscious and consistent effort to intentionally play dirty and take cheap shots. And then deny all personal responsibility when you are appropriately suspended for it.

I really don't see how the victimization plays has any credibility at this point. Playing the victim after you get the appropriate consequences for your own intentional actions when the rules and the consequences have been made clear through out the playoffs makes you look weak, dumb and lacking in self-restraint.

Trying to gain a mental advantage by making mental mistakes does not appear likely to work. Shaq, Zo and Wade are not going to be intimidated by this kind of talk after Stackhouse reaps the consequences of his own actions. In Miami, this move certainly does not help Dallas' cause.

Maybe in Dallas they can attempt to delude themselves and their fans into thinking that they were victims, but if they are down 3-2 as a result of this, the chances are good that this motivation won't be sufficient to win game 6 (or a game 7 if they win game 6) in Dallas and playing themselves as victims or not.

The winner of this game is the strong favorite to win the series.

And it is not the points (much less the shooting percentage) of Stackhouse that they will miss. They will miss his minutes most of all since they will not be filled by an aggressive player who is used to being a go to guy who can get scores for them. The other players they bring off the bench can wilt under the pressure. Stackhouse might miss some of his shots, but it won't be due to pressure or the lack of familiarity with the expectations placed upon him.

Usually if Stackhouse gives them a good game, Dallas wins. And he has the capability to give you 25 or 30 points on a good night if he is hitting his shots.

The other players are good players who have talent, but who are not used to the pressure and don't perform well under pressure normally.

This means that even more pressure will fall upon Dirk, Josh and Jason, all of whom are terrific players to put up big numbers and capitalize off of Miami's constant turnovers. Aldrich says he still doesn't see separation (ie Dirk being able to get free enough to get really open looks) between Dirk and his defenders.

Miami knows that they are so close to winning a championship. Wade and Shaq are likely going to be virtually unstoppable given their awareness of that fact and the fact that this game is in Miami. Also, the role players will go all out in front of their home crowd knowing how close they are.

In view of the change in circumstances, Miami must be something of a favorite to win the game despite the likely bounceback by Dirk and the Mavs after an uncharacteristically bad performance in game 3. Mavs must rebound much better and capitablize off of Miami's turnovers to win this game.

I don't like Dallas' chances in game 6 (even in Dallas) if Miami is ahead in the series 3-2 (and they probably will be) since Shaq and Wade knowing they are 1 win away from a championship can put up vintage and tremendous numbers (respectively) and take the game when they only have to do it for a single game.

[Leetonidas]

:lol

[Shank]

Again with the spelling, you'd think you people would know how to spell a word you use so often.

Take it easy with the board-wide grammar and spelling lessons. No one calls you out on your comma splices.

[MissAllThat]

Take it easy with the board-wide grammar and spelling lessons. No one calls you out on your comma splices.

Do you even know what a comma splice is?

[East Coast Babe]

I thought about this for quite a while before posting because I'm not all about piling on:

I'll be honest with you: at the time, I didn't expect a suspension. Perhaps part of that was motivated by Mike Breen and Hubie Brown's comments, I am not sure.


However,

(1) why take the chance? Let's say that you think it should be allowed, you also must be aware of the suspensions that the league has handed out earlier.

(2) In retrospect, the suspension looks obvious. When you consider the previous suspensions in this year's playoffs, then you must conclude that Stackhouse had to be suspended in order to maintain that consistency that is so important to Avery.

(3) What ever happened to personal responsibility? It apparently does not exist on the Mavericks basketball team. It is always somebody else's fault that one of their players gets suspended. I don't get that.

Terry throws a punch at Finley's groin and he is suspended, but it is somebody's else fault.

Mbenga goes into the stands and gets an automatic suspension (and the league has been crystal clear about this due to the Piston Pacer brawl), but it is somebody else's fault.

Stackhouse intentionally throws a forearm into Shaq's face, makes no play at the ball and follows through sending Shaq flying off the court into the cameras and gets suspended, but it is somebody else's fault.

First time is strange and a cheap shot, but one hopes that it is an anomaly.

Second time and you have to wonder what is going on.

Third time and now we have removed all doubt. This is a pattern and it appears to be a conscious and consistent effort to intentionally play dirty and take cheap shots. And then deny all personal responsibility when you are appropriately suspended for it.

I really don't see how the victimization plays has any credibility at this point. Playing the victim after you get the appropriate consequences for your own intentional actions when the rules and the consequences have been made clear through out the playoffs makes you look weak, dumb and lacking in self-restraint.

Trying to gain a mental advantage by making mental mistakes does not appear likely to work. Shaq, Zo and Wade are not going to be intimidated by this kind of talk after Stackhouse reaps the consequences of his own actions. In Miami, this move certainly does not help Dallas' cause.

Maybe in Dallas they can attempt to delude themselves and their fans into thinking that they were victims, but if they are down 3-2 as a result of this, the chances are good that this motivation won't be sufficient to win game 6 (or a game 7 if they win game 6) in Dallas and playing themselves as victims or not.

The winner of this game is the strong favorite to win the series.

And it is not the points (much less the shooting percentage) of Stackhouse that they will miss. They will miss his minutes most of all since they will not be filled by an aggressive player who is used to being a go to guy who can get scores for them. The other players they bring off the bench can wilt under the pressure. Stackhouse might miss some of his shots, but it won't be due to pressure or the lack of familiarity with the expectations placed upon him.

Usually if Stackhouse gives them a good game, Dallas wins. And he has the capability to give you 25 or 30 points on a good night if he is hitting his shots.

The other players are good players who have talent, but who are not used to the pressure and don't perform well under pressure normally.

This means that even more pressure will fall upon Dirk, Josh and Jason, all of whom are terrific players to put up big numbers and capitalize off of Miami's constant turnovers. Aldrich says he still doesn't see separation (ie Dirk being able to get free enough to get really open looks) between Dirk and his defenders.

Miami knows that they are so close to winning a championship. Wade and Shaq are likely going to be virtually unstoppable given their awareness of that fact and the fact that this game is in Miami. Also, the role players will go all out in front of their home crowd knowing how close they are.

In view of the change in circumstances, Miami must be something of a favorite to win the game despite the likely bounceback by Dirk and the Mavs after an uncharacteristically bad performance in game 3. Mavs must rebound much better and capitablize off of Miami's turnovers to win this game.

I don't like Dallas' chances in game 6 (even in Dallas) if Miami is ahead in the series 3-2 (and they probably will be) since Shaq and Wade knowing they are 1 win away from a championship can put up vintage and tremendous numbers (respectively) and take the game when they only have to do it for a single game.


I am sure something like this was said when Jason Terry was suspended too, hmm? I know it was, I remember hearing it. They lost the game he was out, I think but they won the series anyway.

[dirk4mvp]

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[Mavs<Spurs]

I am sure something like this was said when Jason Terry was suspended too, hmm? I know it was, I remember hearing it. They lost the game he was out, I think but they won the series anyway.


Wow, this is interesting!!!

So, Mavs went into games 6 and 7 down 3-2 and facing 2 elimination games.


You said that they lost the game without Terry. Okay, so they lose the game without Stackhouse.

Now, they are down 3-2 and face elimination.

What is this equivalent to again?

Oops!!!


Suns < Heat also, btw.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

Wow, this is interesting!!!

So, Mavs went into games 6 and 7 down 3-2 and facing 2 elimination games.


You said that they lost the game without Terry. Okay, so they lose the game without Stackhouse.

Now, they are down 3-2 and face elimination.

What is this equivalent to again?

Oops!!!


Suns < Heat also, btw.

Remember even if Dallas loses this game, we still have home court advantage in game 6 which we will win. and Dallas is automatic in game 7's you cant argue that.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Remember even if Dallas loses this game, we still have home court advantage in game 6 which we will win. and Dallas is automatic in game 7's you cant argue that.


Wrong. Logical fallacy: hasty generalization.

Being down 3 with 30 seconds left in game 7 and barely escaping from one series does not give the logical or factual support you need to justify that statement.

Lest you forget, you lost game 7 to the Suns, did you not?

Dallas has never ever won the Finals and neither have any of their key players and their coach has never won a Finals as a coach, which is different than winning it as a great player (and the Spurs won the Finals despite Avery Johnson and not because of him - anybody at the y can make a wide open jumpshot like onetimer did) , just ask Larry Bird.

We are then on safer ground concluding that Dallas won't win the Finals than concluding Dallas is automatically going to win game 7 of the Finals using your line of reasoning. For it is based on a larger data sample.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Facing elimination in games 6 and 7, the problem is the compounded probability.

Suppose that we say that they will have a 70 percent chance of winning game 6 and a 70 percent chance of winning game 7. Then they have a 49 % chance of winning both games.

Compound probability or in this case it became compound improbability.

[Shank]

Do you even know what a comma splice is?

Nice comeback.

What is this obsession with hating on the Mavericks? It's become an epidemic. I really don't understand it.

[Hook Dem]

Nice comeback.

What is this obsession with hating on the Mavericks? It's become an epidemic. I really don't understand it.
You really don't understand it???? LOL It's because of the arrogance of your team and fans! If you had just waited until something was accomplished before talking it would have been sweet for you. Instead you all look like assholes!

[Hook Dem]

Oh yeah......and fuck jerry stackhouse!!!!

[ballhog]

On the 3rd example, the Stack suspension - How did Shaq manage to break Stack's nose and give him 3 stitches in Game 1? Is his nose magically not above his neck?

He didn't tackle him in the middle of floor while he was going up for a shot.

[Shank]

Instead you all look like assholes!

...

Oh yeah......and fuck jerry stackhouse!!!!

Pot. Kettle.

[Shank]

He didn't tackle him in the middle of floor while he was going up for a shot.

Sweet Christ. Now he's tackled him in the middle of the floor? To Bill Brasky!

[LEONARD]

Terry throws a punch at Finley's groin and he is suspended, but it is somebody's else fault.

Mbenga goes into the stands and gets an automatic suspension (and the league has been crystal clear about this due to the Piston Pacer brawl), but it is somebody else's fault.

Stackhouse intentionally throws a forearm into Shaq's face, makes no play at the ball and follows through sending Shaq flying off the court into the cameras and gets suspended, but it is somebody else's fault.

First time is strange and a cheap shot, but one hopes that it is an anomaly.

Second time and you have to wonder what is going on.

Third time and now we have removed all doubt. This is a pattern and it appears to be a conscious and consistent effort to intentionally play dirty and take cheap shots. And then deny all personal responsibility when you are appropriately suspended for it.

Terry was clear cut...threw a punch...anybody that complained about the suspension is an IDIOT...

Mbenga...forget about that. You act like he went crazy and ran up into the stands? He walked into the stands with Cuban to make sure everything was ok...he wasn't even on the active roster. This suspension has nothing to do with your assessment that the Mavs are "playing dirty"...forget it...

Stackhouse's foul was a hard foul and IS debatable. Just look at the national media and how many are saying he shouldn't have been suspended. He didn't send "Shaq flying off the court into the cameras"...Wade knocked Shaq into the cameras by accident. Keep exaggerating though :lol ...like the guy that said Stack tackled him in the middle of the floor. WTF??

Bottom line...he got suspended. The Mavs are still the better team even without Stack. 2 games left in Dallas...not worried... :fro

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why are all you Dallas pansies still whining about this?

Posey shoulder blocked Hinrich in round 1 on a breakaway and got suspended one game.

Stackhouse does the same, and is suspended... 1 game.

Other than the fact that your boy Stack fucked up on the biggest stage in pro basketball, what's the problem? All I see is a couple of you saying "yeah, but it's the Finals." So fucking what.

Take your own coach's advice - he has begged for consistency from the officials. Stack's foul was damn near identical to Posey's (only difference is Stack's was 10 feet closer to the rim), and he got the same penalty.

Seems pretty simple and straightforward unless you have a whiny ass Dallas agenda.

[nbascribe]

Look in the Avery media thread for the flagrant foul rules Mavs' fans. I posted them there for a reason.

You don't have an argument on this. The foul was excessive and unnecessary. If Stack played the ball, you might have an argument but he didn't. He wanted to make sure that Shaq didn't embarrass his team with a dunk. Stack's admitted that in his comments.

Get over it. It's a consistent call.

[Islymore]

I fully agree with you two... the foul was in no way directed at the ball...

Quit whining ppl.

A hard foul is flagrant 1 max.... Flagrant 2... you know you're home the next game.

How hard a decision would it have been for Stack to wrap Shaq up rather than elbowin the guy? I understand its the Finals. I want Stack to be there too. But shit... it was up to Stack to make a play - A SMART PLAY - and look at the end results.

Stop fussin over Stack and worryin about that dude... Let him sit at home and mope over it. It's his fault, he will deal with it when he does.

Look at the other Mavs. Maybe more concern should be spent on thinking about who is gonna step up rather than who stooood dooown*...

*DUECE BIGALOW: EUROPEAN GIGOLO*

[nbascribe]

I fully agree with you two... the foul was in no way directed at the ball...

Quit whining ppl.

A hard foul is flagrant 1 max.... Flagrant 2... you know you're home the next game.

How hard a decision would it have been for Stack to wrap Shaq up rather than elbowin the guy? I understand its the Finals. I want Stack to be there too. But shit... it was up to Stack to make a play - A SMART PLAY - and look at the end results.

Stop fussin over Stack and worryin about that dude... Let him sit at home and mope over it. It's his fault, he will deal with it when he does.

Look at the other Mavs. Maybe more concern should be spent on thinking about who is gonna step up rather than who stooood dooown*...

*DUECE BIGALOW: EUROPEAN GIGOLO*

Isly it is these types of plays that either make or break you. People forget that the Mavs have never been in this position before. Like you said, THIS IS THE FINALS. Nothing is given here.

I agree with you. If Stack just wrapped him up and slowed his progress, it was just going to be a shooting foul. Would that have slowed the momentum down? Of course not but it would have been the smart play.

This goes down with Manu fouling Dirk and most definitely with Rasheed leaving Robert Horry last year in Detroit. I'm not saying that this play will win the Heat the series but with Stack out, it makes a win for Dallas that much more difficult. That bench has just been whittled down a player and it just so happens to be one of the important pieces to that team's success.

[Islymore]

I def agree... the bench has been whittled... And I sure as hell dont wanna see MARQUIS DANIELS WITH MORE THAN 10 MINS. I think thass pushin it personally.

This will def go down in that list... I peg it second under the Manu/Dirk foul...

Just silliness on both their parts.

It sux... but it is what it is... Not much we can do about it but play on, right?

[nbascribe]

Yep not much you can do about bad plays.

[ChumpDumper]

Really, had Stack let Shaq go, he might have hung on the rim and gotten a second tech.

[nbascribe]

I don't think Shaq would have hung. The way the floor spacing looked, he would have been allowed to do that because of the close proximity of players who could get hurt when he came down. If Stack was that close, imagine what he would have received when Shaq gorilla dunked.

The best thing Stack could have done was just let the play pass but he didn't. He was to boneheaded at the time.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, he could hang. That's allowed if others are coming behind. I thought I saw him pull up on an earlier dunk, that's why I brought it up.

[MissAllThat]

Nice comeback.

What is this obsession with hating on the Mavericks? It's become an epidemic. I really don't understand it.

Well obviously your buddy dirk4mvp didn't know what they are, and judging from what you were calling me out for, neither do you.

As for the obsession with hating on the Mavericks, I don't like them. That's all there is to it. I'm sure you don't like all 30 teams in the NBA either. The only reason it seems like people on here are obsessing with hating them is because Mavs fans can't hold an actual discussion without seeming like idiots. Occasionally there are a few of y'all that can contribute quality responses to threads, but for every good response, there are 10 "spurs fans are whiners" or "spurs suck" type comments. Oh and it doesn't necessarily have to be Spurs in those quotes; you can replace Spurs with any other team in the NBA not named the Mavs. It may be unfair to judge all Mavs fans based on those retards, but given the timing of the swarm of Mavs on this site, its understandable. Most of the opposing fans on this site who get any respect have been here for a while. They didn't just join to talk trash after their team swept through the first round. Perhaps if y'all learn to stop acting like 6 year olds on the play ground, then others will respect you and your team. This doesn't go for Cuban though. I don't think theres anything anyone can do to get that man any respect.

[nbascribe]

Well obviously your buddy dirk4mvp didn't know what they are, and judging from what you were calling me out for, neither do you.

As for the obsession with hating on the Mavericks, I don't like them. That's all there is to it. I'm sure you don't like all 30 teams in the NBA either. The only reason it seems like people on here are obsessing with hating them is because Mavs fans can't hold an actual discussion without seeming like idiots. Occasionally there are a few of y'all that can contribute quality responses to threads, but for every good response, there are 10 "spurs fans are whiners" or "spurs suck" type comments. Oh and it doesn't necessarily have to be Spurs in those quotes; you can replace Spurs with any other team in the NBA not named the Mavs. It may be unfair to judge all Mavs fans based on those retards, but given the timing of the swarm of Mavs on this site, its understandable. Most of the opposing fans on this site who get any respect have been here for a while. They didn't just join to talk trash after their team swept through the first round. Perhaps if y'all learn to stop acting like 6 year olds on the play ground, then others will respect you and your team. This doesn't go for Cuban though. I don't think theres anything anyone can do to get that man any respect.

Actually if the Mavs did play like six year olds on the playground they may have won game three...:lol

Seriously though I've got to agree. The majority of Mavs fans who trash talk haven't been on this board long enough to even be considered 'family'. You gotta come in here with respect and not just when your team plays the Spurs. That's weak and gets you no respect whatsoever. Now if the majority of them came in here let's say, when the first game between them was played during the season, they may have gotten some slack.

It's akin to me going over to Mavtalk.com when the series started and just bang on them if the Spurs had won. Totally classless and imbolsilic in nature. Worse still, the good Mavs fans that come in here and contribute some worthwhile debate/discussion get embarrassed by the other idiots who claim to be Mavs fans.

[Islymore]

With both of those statements... thats to be expected is it not?

Its done on all forums, all over. No matter what teams. Fans do it everywhere.
Spurfans do it, Mavfans do it, Sunsfans do it and so on and so forth.

You cant just say it about the Mavfans... bc its done for every team.

I could understand the frustration when it comes to ppl joinin your board.... but on a lot of boards, ppl join and are still clumped with those "classless" fans just based on the team marked as their favorite.

[nbascribe]

that is true.

[boutons_]

Islymore, plonked.

they pop up like mushrooms in shit.

[Islymore]

plonked???