Stackhouse suspended

[Shank]

Per Avery just now.


He's ranting like crazy on 103.3 ESPN right now.

[ChumpDumper]

Color me I told you so.

[Shank]

Pink?

[atxrocker]

link?

[dirk4mvp]

It just wouldn't be right if the Mavs play a series and somebody isn't suspended. Been a tradition since round 2.

[sabar]

Poor Stiches.

[Shank]

He said that he's tired of "biting his tongue when talking about the league" and did what AJ does as far as ripping into the NBA saying it's a disgrace and that those that make the decisions should be embarrassed.

[Kori Ellis]

Well you knew the suspension was coming.

[Darrin]

I love this game!

[ducks]

Aj Jesus Christ Is Ashamed Of You

[sabar]

On a serious note, he should have been ejected in that game. Not ejecting stitch with a flagrant 2 just begged for him to be issued a suspension to do something.

[atxrocker]

somewhere cuban is crying..

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

we all know what happened last time a mavs player got suspended in a playoff series

[picnroll]

AJ complaining? Nahhh. When's the blog out?

[ChumpDumper]

Dude, Cuban is going to blog the shit out of the league!

[jman3000]

wow, I honestly thought it was a good hard foul. In those circumstances that's pretty much the only thing you coulda done to stop Shaq from getting a dunk.

O well :spin

[ducks]

Aj Should Be Fined

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

As many times as shaq has hacked, racked and fouled people

fucking joke

watching his ass flying to the floor was worth it

thanks Stack for the great memory

[sabar]

Any moment now...
http://www.blogmaverick.com/

Massive fines ensue.

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

were is a link saying that he was........ NOT IS.....

[LEONARD]

Ouch...

Mavs still win in 6... :fro

[SPARKY]

Hmmm...considering the adulation Jason Terry received from Mavs fans for managing to get himself suspended, I can't wait to see how Stackhouse is feted. Maybe Cuban will retire his jersey # at Game 6?

[atxrocker]

Ouch...

Mavs still win in 6... :fro

:lol seriously doubt dallas wins the next two now. dirk is really going to need to step it up. SERIOUSLY or this series is in the heats favor. j.ho (which sounds ridiculous btw) and harris are gonna need to play their roles too. this series just got very interesting

[mcornelio]

that foul was way out of line though..

[DarrinS]

What was the reasoning given for the suspension?

It was a hard foul -- a flagrant 1, but why the suspension?

Just curious.

[ducks]

because it should have been flagrant 2 to start with

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Good.

What a punk bitch. I hope the Heat win this game, and are up big in the next one and Shaq has a chance to lay some lumber on Stack. Or get Zo to do it, somebody retaliate. Fucking jackass.

[SPARKY]

Wasn't Posey suspended for a similiar hit in the Bulls series?

[Amarelooms]

Yes I am a Mavs fan but this suspension is complete BS. Game 5 of the NBA freakin Finals and you suspend Stack....basically giving the Heat the win and a 3-2 lead.

How is Stack suppose to foul Shaq and prevent a dunk? I guess the NBA wants to to barely touch him so he can dunk it in your face. The position of the play made it such that Stack had to basically go through his body to make a play on the ball. Yes his elbow probably grazed his face but come on...where is the bruise or signs of blood?? THIS IS THE FINALS....Stern you are a moron. Just blatent example of the NBA's hate for Mark Cuban taking over. So basically this year in the playoffs....

1. Suspend Terry in Game 6 vs the Spurs...yes probably warranted...he threw a punch
2. Suspend Mbenga 6 Games for going in the stands...when precendece had been set...5 game for Davis when he was on the court dressed and playing and leaped over the stands...Mbenga was not even dressed to play.
3. Now game 5 of the Finals and Stack is suspended

LOL...ok very nice NBA. How about suspend Dirk for Game 6.....

[Please_dont_ban_me]

we all know what happened last time a mavs player got suspended in a playoff series

The losing the next game...

Then giving up a 20 point lead in game 7, only to win off a mental mistake by the other team?

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

that foul was way out of line though..

First I can not fine it via espn, goggle or yahoo???? Can you...

As many times as shaq has done the same and much worse with nothing done I see it is well within the lines shaqass himself has drawn
:princess

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Man, AJ has no right to complain, if Dirk was hit the same way, he'd probably have to be airlifted to the nearest hospital

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Yes I am a Mavs fan but this suspension is complete BS. Game 5 of the NBA freakin Finals and you suspend Stack....basically giving the Heat the win and a 3-2 lead.

How is Stack suppose to foul Shaq and prevent a dunk? I guess the NBA wants to to barely touch him so he can dunk it in your face. The position of the play made it such that Stack had to basically go through his body to make a play on the ball. Yes his elbow probably grazed his face but come on...where is the bruise or signs of blood?? THIS IS THE FINALS....Stern you are a moron. Just blatent example of the NBA's hate for Mark Cuban taking over. So basically this year in the playoffs....

1. Suspend Terry in Game 6 vs the Spurs...yes probably warranted...he threw a punch
2. Suspend Mbenga 6 Games for going in the stands...when precendece had been set...5 game for Davis when he was on the court dressed and playing and leaped over the stands...Mbenga was not even dressed to play.
3. Now game 5 of the Finals and Stack is suspended

LOL...ok very nice NBA. How about suspend Dirk for Game 6.....

Stack didn't even make a play on the ball.

His whole mindset was to knock Shaq down and make damn sure he didn't make the layup. It was definately a flagrant, and keeping in line with other suspensions handed out this post season I think it was worthy of a suspension too.


Weak suspension. But nothing different from other ones handed out this postseason.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Man, AJ has no right to complain, if Dirk was hit the same way, he'd probably have to be airlifted to the nearest hospital

Lmao.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

First I can not fine it via espn, goggle or yahoo???? Can you...

As many times as shaq has done the same and much worse with nothing done I see it is well within the lines shaqass himself has drawn
:princess

Stack is known to be a dirty player.

Shaq just commits hard fouls from time to time. He isn't trying to hurt anybody.

[CosmicCowboy]

Wow thats crazy. It was a good hard foul...maybe a little over the line but definitely NOT a flagrant 2...Shaq flopped like Vlade Divac on that play...

[atxrocker]

Yes I am a Mavs fan but this suspension is complete BS. Game 5 of the NBA freakin Finals and you suspend Stack....basically giving the Heat the win and a 3-2 lead.

How is Stack suppose to foul Shaq and prevent a dunk? I guess the NBA wants to to barely touch him so he can dunk it in your face. The position of the play made it such that Stack had to basically go through his body to make a play on the ball. Yes his elbow probably grazed his face but come on...where is the bruise or signs of blood?? THIS IS THE FINALS....Stern you are a moron. Just blatent example of the NBA's hate for Mark Cuban taking over. So basically this year in the playoffs....

1. Suspend Terry in Game 6 vs the Spurs...yes probably warranted...he threw a punch
2. Suspend Mbenga 6 Games for going in the stands...when precendece had been set...5 game for Davis when he was on the court dressed and playing and leaped over the stands...Mbenga was not even dressed to play.
3. Now game 5 of the Finals and Stack is suspended

LOL...ok very nice NBA. How about suspend Dirk for Game 6.....

that is an obsurd post. seriously. the guy had it coming and you could see this coming a mile away. im shocked mavs fans are surprised by this.

[ducks]

Yes I am a Mavs fan but this suspension is complete BS. Game 5 of the NBA freakin Finals and you suspend Stack....basically giving the Heat the win and a 3-2 lead.

How is Stack suppose to foul Shaq and prevent a dunk? I guess the NBA wants to to barely touch him so he can dunk it in your face. The position of the play made it such that Stack had to basically go through his body to make a play on the ball. Yes his elbow probably grazed his face but come on...where is the bruise or signs of blood?? THIS IS THE FINALS....Stern you are a moron. Just blatent example of the NBA's hate for Mark Cuban taking over. So basically this year in the playoffs....

1. Suspend Terry in Game 6 vs the Spurs...yes probably warranted...he threw a punch
2. Suspend Mbenga 6 Games for going in the stands...when precendece had been set...5 game for Davis when he was on the court dressed and playing and leaped over the stands...Mbenga was not even dressed to play.
3. Now game 5 of the Finals and Stack is suspended

LOL...ok very nice NBA. How about suspend Dirk for Game 6.....\


if it warrented a suspension in the gregular season it shoud lwarrant one now

they suspened posey for something very similar.

aj needs to control his players

[Amarelooms]

Here's the link...have fun ripping the Mavs and being true Spurs homers...wouldn't expect anything else. Have no doubt if Bowen did this in the Finals all of you would be up in a roar. So be it...the Mavs will have to win 2 at home if they want to win the title. Tough yes....impossible no.

[Brutalis]

Brickhouse is a wee little bitch and deserves it.

[Shank]

Suspension or not, let's not act like Stack is some world-beater. Sure the team will take the hit off the bench, but Stack has been hit (get it?) or miss most of the season.

[SPARKY]

1. Suspend Terry in Game 6 vs the Spurs...yes probably warranted...he threw a punch

Hey, don't punch a player in the nuts. Simple enough.



2. Suspend Mbenga 6 Games for going in the stands...when precendece had been set...5 game for Davis when he was on the court dressed and playing and leaped over the stands...Mbenga was not even dressed to play.


He was still sitting with the team and is a member of it. The rules apply to all members.




3. Now game 5 of the Finals and Stack is suspended


Hey, don't body check a player on a break with no play on the ball.

[CosmicCowboy]

At this rate the NBA will completely outlaw defense by 2010.

[leemajors]

the league isn't gonna put up with this kinda stuff. the sooner the mavs players realize it the sooner they will quit getting suspended for it.

[T Park]

taking a big scoring punch off the bench and outside threat like him, IS a big deal.

Any Maverick fan that tries to tell you otherwise is a liar.

[ChumpDumper]

High elbow of arm not going for ball + follow through after impact = suspenison

[leemajors]

High elbow of arm not going for ball + follow through after impact = suspenison

but, but shaq is big, you have to do that.

[ducks]

At this rate the NBA will completely outlaw defense by 2010.

taking shots at players head instead of going for the ball is going to give you a suspension
NOT A HARD CONCEPT


AJ NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO CONTROL HIS PLAYERS

GREAT COACH OF THE YEAR COACH HE IS :rolleyes

[RonMexico]

AJ never bites his tongue, so he shouldn't be "tired" of it by now...

I'm disappointed they suspended him, though, even though I hate Stackhouse and his arrogance more than anyone else in the league...

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

Stack is known to be a dirty player.

Shaq just commits hard fouls from time to time. He isn't trying to hurt anybody.

That is your opinion.............

IMO he is doing it intentionally........................

Right now there is nothing anywhere that he "WAS" suspended...

Look @ how many times shaq alone knocked Mav players down..... I have seen him many, many times hurting other players...... How many elbows has Dirk and Damp got thus far???

Ask scott pollard or Bobby Jackson about it........

Please Shaq is no victum here..................

[ChumpDumper]

but, but shaq is big, you have to do that.Or just let him dunk when his slow ass has beaten you down the floor.

[ducks]

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1372/0617stackhouse2vs.jpg

[Please_dont_ban_me]

that is an obsurd post. seriously. the guy had it coming and you could see this coming a mile away. im shocked mavs fans are surprised by this.

These are the same fans who were shocked by there player being suspended after throwing a punch.

[mavsfan1000]

Not a big deal. Brickhouse was hurting the team more last game than helping them. I'd rather have Harris playing anyways.

[SPARKY]

What? Do I see Mavs fans whining? Incredible.

[whottt]

I don't have a replay of the video, but at the time it happened I was surprised Stack wasn't ejected from the game, and I fully expected him to be suspended. Why? Because it looked to me like he elbowed Shaq above the shoulders and the league has been pretty clear that is an automatic suspension, regardless of how much damage it actually does to the player.

Maybe I am wrong and he didn't...but the angle they showed last night, it definitely looked like Stack's elbow made contact above Shaq's shoulders, deliberately. Same thing Artest was suspended for.

Personally...I don't think Stackhouse was that out of line, since Shaq busted his nose pretty good. Shaq's always been able to get away with hard fouls like that because he is so massive, he can inflict a lot of damage without even looking like he is trying to do it. Just a shrug of his arm can put somebody down.


So, I don't really have a problem with what Stack did as far as being a thug or anything...at the same time, it wasn't a smart play and the league has been consistent throughout the playoffs about handing out suspensions. Closed fist to someone or deliberate contact above the shoulders = suspension. Stack got his payback...and the league continued it's by the book stance on certain types of contact.

[ducks]

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1372/0617stackhouse2vs.jpg

DIRTY MAVS



this year theyran into the stands to go after fans
they hit players in the nuts
they do this http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1372/0617stackhouse2vs.jpg
they kill howard when he was a spur and he does not play another game as a spur after that


aj is a piece of shit that needs to control his players

[Please_dont_ban_me]

:D

Get ready to hear them bitching about this all offseason. Hope you guys have your fishing spot picked out.

[angel_luv]

I didn't know they showed ESPN radio on t.v.

Sort of a strange concept.

[ducks]

http://fromthescene.beloblog.com

[ShoogarBear]

LMAO. I don't think Stackhouse should have been suspended, but on the other hand the man has been nothing but a guaranteed fuckup his whole career. Why stop now?

[ducks]

DALLAS’ STACKHOUSE SUSPENDED ONE GAME

NEW YORK, June 16, 2006 – Jerry Stackhouse of the Dallas Mavericks has been
suspended one game without pay for making unnecessary and excessive contact
with Shaquille O’Neal of the Miami Heat during Game 4 of the 2006 NBA Finals, it was announced today by Stu Jackson, NBA Senior Vice President Basketball Operations.

“The contact by Jerry Stackhouse was clearly excessive and warrants a suspension,” Jackson said.

The foul, which was upgraded to a Flagrant Foul Penalty Two, occurred with 6:29 remaining in the third quarter of the Mavericks’ 98-74 loss to the Heat at AmericanAirlines Arena on June 15.

Posted by Tim MacMahon at 4:51 PM
Report: Stackhouse suspended for whack on Shaq

Avery Johnson said on ESPN 103.3 FM today that Jerry Stackhouse has been suspended for Game 5 for his flagrant foul on Shaquille O'Neal last night.

Earlier today, Johnson said he didn't think a suspension was warranted.

"If that's a suspension, they will have to go back and review everything that has happened throughout the playoffs," he said. "There may have to be some retribution or something and maybe go suspend some other players they forgot."

[Crookshanks]

Hey, the reason the Mavs are in the Finals at all is because they got the rules changed to penalize teams that play tough defense. Be careful what you ask for!!

[LEONARD]

:D

Get ready to hear them bitching about this all offseason. Hope you guys have your fishing spot picked out.

Got any tips on hot spots you've found over the past few weeks?? :lol

Mavs will be fine... :fro

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Got any tips on hot spots you've found over the past few weeks?? :lol

Mavs will be fine... :fro

Not really.

I'm kind of new at this. I was hoping you guys could refer me to the one you always go to the past couple of years?

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

Personally...I don't think Stackhouse was that out of line, since Shaq busted his nose pretty good. Shaq's always been able to get away with hard fouls like that because he is so massive, he can inflict a lot of damage without even looking like he is trying to do it. Just a shrug of his arm can put somebody down.
.

THANK YOU....

[LEONARD]

Not really.

I'm kind of new at this. I was hoping you guys could refer me to the one you always go to the past couple of years?

The lakes are too low for my hot spots to be near the water... :lol

[ShoogarBear]

Hey, the reason the Mavs are in the Finals at all is because they got the rules changed to penalize teams that play tough defense. Be careful what you ask for!!

Isn't it beautiful? Cuban exceeds even his own lofty standards of assholishness on Letterman by talking about Riley's "thuggish" play, and the next night he has to eat it because of one of his own players decides to turn back the clock.

[mavsfan1000]

Little do the Heat know that the Stackhouse suspensions might've just won the mavs the series. Stackhouse was 7-27 the last 2 games and was the worst player on the court.

[ballhog]

I would expect the Mavs fans to think the suspension was B.S. However, you have to admit that if Dirk had been hit the same way, they would have been crying for a suspension for on the Heat player. Safe to say that if that had been Posey or some other nobody, the suspension may not have happened. The right call was made and the suspension was justified. Gotta protect the stars.

[Mavtek]

Wasn't Posey suspended for a similiar hit in the Bulls series?

Hell no, not even close, Shaq was going for a dunk and Stack had a hard NBA foul. Bavetta called it flagrant 1, that shoulda been the end of it. Posey creamed somebody in the middle of the court. That's a huge difference.

[LEONARD]

Isn't it beautiful? Cuban exceeds even his own lofty standards of assholishness on Letterman by talking about Riley's "thuggish" play, and the next night he has to eat it because of one of his own players decides to turn back the clock.

What exactly did Cuban change that deal with flagrant 1's and 2's...suspensions, etc???

His main beef over the years has been all of the hand and body checking that slows the game down...

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

It will go down as one of my favorite fouls of all time on shaq...

Thnx Stack for the moment...........

[Kori Ellis]

Little do the Heat know that the Stackhouse suspensions might've just won the mavs the series. Stackhouse was 7-27 the last 2 games and was the worst player on the court.

Not that much worse than Dirk's 11-for-35 or whatever in the last two games.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Not that much worse than Dirk's 11-for-35 or whatever in the last two games.

Don't forget about his "clutch" ft shooting in game 3

[ducks]

terry saved the day for the mavs in game 1 not dirk either

dirk is sucking

[LEONARD]

Don't forget about his "clutch" ft shooting in game 3

He hit the one that counted against the Spurs...and is a 90% shooter. Bagging on him for 1 FT miss at a bad time when he was shooting 94% in the series is pretty weak. The Mavs didn't lose game 3 because of the FT...not even close...

[mavsfan1000]

Dirk's shots have been much harder than Stackhouse's. It's almost like Riley wants Stackhouse to shoot the ball which is probably true. Dallas still has Howard, Terry, Griffin, Harris, and Daniels at the 1,2 and 3. That is plenty deep so I think Dallas will do fine and possibly better.

[Kori Ellis]

I didn't post that to bash Dirk. My point was that you shouldn't really point out Stack's poor shooting in the last 2 games because almost all the Mavs shooting has sucked.

[ShoogarBear]

What exactly did Cuban change that deal with flagrant 1's and 2's...suspensions, etc???

His main beef over the years has been all of the hand and body checking that slows the game down...

The point is that Cuban was bragging about how wonderful he was for the NBA and using Riley as a pointed example of what had been wrong with the game. Then Stack pulls a page from the 1994 Riley playbook.

And I guarantee that the hypocrite will defend Stackhouse.

[Shank]

Not that much worse than Dirk's 11-for-35 or whatever in the last two games.

No doubt, maybe Dirk's slumping ass should be suspended too. Might help him out.

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

I agree they are still way deep...............

I am no fan of Stack (I like him a lot more after last night......LOL) or the Mavs and I have watched the tape and still feel it is part of the game and nothing that shaq has not done to tohers uncountable times........

Shaq himself said it ws nothing... WTF???

Suspend stud jackson next..............

[texlawman]

This is just another example of Stu Jackson trying to screw the Mavs. He's done it every round of the playoffs. :flipoff Props to you Stu.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1372/0617stackhouse2vs.jpg

DIRTY MAVS



this year theyran into the stands to go after fans
they hit players in the nuts
they do this http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1372/0617stackhouse2vs.jpg
they kill howard when he was a spur and he does not play another game as a spur after that


aj is a piece of shit that needs to control his players

*consulting Ducks decoder ring*

ahhhh....howard = Derrick Anderson

OK...I understand now..:lol

[LEONARD]

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1372/0617stackhouse2vs.jpg

DIRTY MAVS

this year they ran into the stands to go after fans
they hit players in the nuts
they do this http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1372/0617stackhouse2vs.jpg
they kill howard when he was a spur and he does not play another game as a spur after that


aj is a piece of shit that needs to control his players

LMAO..."ran into the stands to go after fans"...hahaha

Good hard foul by Stack...

What does Juwan Howard fouling DA years ago have to do with AJ?? :smokin :drunk

[FromWayDowntown]

This is just another example of Stu Jackson trying to screw the Mavs. He's done it every round of the playoffs. :flipoff Props to you Stu.

Hmmmmm....

1. punches = suspensions. A Maverick, Jason Terry, punches another player; Jason Terry is suspended.

2. going into the stands during a game = suspension. A Maverick, DJ Mbenga, goes into the stands during a game; DJ Mbenga is suspended.

3. a flagrant foul that involves contact above the neck = suspension. A Maverick, Jerry Stackhouse, commits a flagrant foul and makes contact above the neck; Stackhouse is suspended.

Are you seriously bitching about those rulings? Seriously.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

---guys---

get serious

this Suspension helps the mavericks in every feasible way. You know Cuban is going to bitch and blog about this non stop, more than he's ever bitched and blogged before. Furthermore, noone can deny the correlation between ANY owner/coach bitching and getting bad ass calls. Furthermore, there HAS to be a game 6, a game 6 that would have been impossible for the Heat to win in Dallas regardless of a stackhouse game 5 suspension.

You have the recipe for a storybook dallas 7 game series win.

They will utterly dominate the game 6, especially with the tremendous boost Cuban will give them, then they will squeak by game 7, and end up being our 2006 nba free throw shooting champions.

[AZLouis]

At this rate the NBA will completely outlaw defense by 2010.

Crap. 4 more years until the Suns with the championship then. :depressed

[Shank]

Hmmmmm....

1. punches = suspensions. A Maverick, Jason Terry, punches another player; Jason Terry is suspended.

2. going into the stands during a game = suspension. A Maverick, DJ Mbenga, goes into the stands during a game; DJ Mbenga is suspended.

3. a flagrant foul that involves contact above the neck = suspension. A Maverick, Jerry Stackhouse, commits a flagrant foul and makes contact above the neck; Stackhouse is suspended.

Are you seriously bitching about those rulings? Seriously.

On the 3rd example, the Stack suspension - How did Shaq manage to break Stack's nose and give him 3 stitches in Game 1? Is his nose magically not above his neck?

[SPARKY]

Hell no, not even close, Shaq was going for a dunk and Stack had a hard NBA foul. Bavetta called it flagrant 1, that shoulda been the end of it. Posey creamed somebody in the middle of the court. That's a huge difference.

Posey body checked Hinrich about the same spot on the floor as Hinrich was on a break to the rim. Stackhouse made no play on the ball and Shaq was not yet in the air for the dunk. The only difference was that Posey received a flagrant 2 while Stackhouse received a flagrant 1. The fouls looked the same though.

[DubMcDub]

The losing the next game...

Then giving up a 20 point lead in game 7, only to win off a mental mistake by the other team?

I'm just curious...does it make you feel better when you assert that the reason you lost the game was a "mental mistake", as if that someone means the Mavs didn't really win it? Just wondering if that makes Spurs fans like you feel better. :lol

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Mavs fans whining over this are scum.

[SPARKY]

The point is that Cuban was bragging about how wonderful he was for the NBA and using Riley as a pointed example of what had been wrong with the game. Then Stack pulls a page from the 1994 Riley playbook.

And I guarantee that the hypocrite will defend Stackhouse.

No kidding.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The point is that Cuban was bragging about how wonderful he was for the NBA and using Riley as a pointed example of what had been wrong with the game. Then Stack pulls a page from the 1994 Riley playbook.

And I guarantee that the hypocrite will defend Stackhouse.


mavs fans have been chode bloaded i saiiiddddddddd

[texlawman]

Let's see David Harrison assaults a fan in the stands 3 games
Antonio Davis confronts a fan in the stands in uniform 5 games
D.J. Benga enters the stands in a suit 6 games. That seems fair.

Shaq hit Jerry in the nose and causes 3 stitches. Regular foul. Jerry hits Shaq on the head and he falls down. Flagrant 1 and upgraded to a Suspension by Mav hater Stu.

Michael Finley knees Terry in the head no foul. Terry retailiates with a half punch and gets suspended.

Mavs players are consistently getting the short end by the league office. Not even debatable. Just complete inconsistencies.

[dirk4mvp]

Mavs fans whining over this are scum.

So whatare Spurs fans who won't let it go that the Mavs beat the Spurs?

[SPARKY]

Let's see David Harrison assaults a fan in the stands 3 games
Antonio Davis confronts a fan in the stands in uniform 5 games
D.J. Benga enters the stands in a suit 6 games. That seems fair.

Shaq hit Jerry in the nose and causes 3 stitches. Regular foul. Jerry hits Shaq on the head and he falls down. Flagrant 1 and upgraded to a Suspension by Mav hater Stu.

Michael Finley knees Terry in the head no foul. Terry retailiates with a half punch and gets suspended.

Mavs players are consistently getting the short end by the league office. Not even debatable. Just complete inconsistencies.

Ah yes, the league is out to get them.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So whatare Spurs fans who won't let it go that the Mavs beat the Spurs?



we are not hypocritical pussy bitches

bitches maybe, but not hypocritical scum

[LEONARD]

Hmmmmm....

1. punches = suspensions. A Maverick, Jason Terry, punches another player; Jason Terry is suspended.

2. going into the stands during a game = suspension. A Maverick, DJ Mbenga, goes into the stands during a game; DJ Mbenga is suspended.

3. a flagrant foul that involves contact above the neck = suspension. A Maverick, Jerry Stackhouse, commits a flagrant foul and makes contact above the neck; Stackhouse is suspended.

Are you seriously bitching about those rulings? Seriously.

Terry...guilty.
Mbenga...guilty, but still lame based on the circumstances. Who cares...
Stack...didn't hit Shaq in the head though. Still worthy of a suspension? Don't know...but making it a slam dunk due to contact above the shoulders doesn't seem correct...

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/oly_full.getty-57562010mw025_nba_finals_ga_11_25_35_pm.jpg

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/oly_full.getty-57562010mw021_nba_finals_ga_11_14_22_pm.jpg

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/oly_full.getty-57562010bc135_nba_finalsg4_1_33_21_am.jpg

[Kori Ellis]

Let's see David Harrison assaults a fan in the stands 3 games
Antonio Davis confronts a fan in the stands in uniform 5 games
D.J. Benga enters the stands in a suit 6 games. That seems fair.

Shaq hit Jerry in the nose and causes 3 stitches. Regular foul. Jerry hits Shaq on the head and he falls down. Flagrant 1 and upgraded to a Suspension by Mav hater Stu.

Michael Finley knees Terry in the head no foul. Terry retailiates with a half punch and gets suspended.

Mavs players are consistently getting the short end by the league office. Not even debatable. Just complete inconsistencies.

I'll give it to you on the length of M'Benga's suspension. But not the other two. Flagrant hit above the shoulders is suspension worthy. Punch is automatic suspension (even if you think he was provoked).

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Hell no, not even close, Shaq was going for a dunk and Stack had a hard NBA foul. Bavetta called it flagrant 1, that shoulda been the end of it. Posey creamed somebody in the middle of the court. That's a huge difference.

Uh, Heinrich was on a fast break going for the lay-up.

Posey did the exact same thing Stackhouse did, just minus the guy being in mid-air, seeing as Heinrich has a limited whiteboy vertical. You can't hold that against him!

[LEONARD]

Jerry hits Shaq on the head and he falls down. Flagrant 1 and upgraded to a Suspension by Mav hater Stu.


See above...

Shaq did more than "fall down"...quit under-stating things...he got ran over, but there didn't appear to be contact with Shaq's head...

[DubMcDub]

we are not hypocritical pussy bitches

bitches maybe, but not hypocritical scum

Sure you are. And elitist to boot.

[SPARKY]

The above pictures do not show the initial body contact by Stackhouse, only the follow through.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Terry...guilty.
Mbenga...guilty, but still lame based on the circumstances. Who cares...
Stack...didn't hit Shaq in the head though. Still worthy of a suspension? Don't know...but making it a slam dunk due to contact above the shoulders doesn't seem correct...


Dude, it doesn't have to be above the shoulders to be suspended.

Just like you can be going for the ball and it be a flagrant.

[ChumpDumper]

Shit man, how many times do players have to rush the stands in a couple season's time?

Next time it'll be more than six.

Guaransheed.

[ChumpDumper]

The above pictures do not show the initial body contact by Stackhouse, only the follow through.Not to mention the fact he followed through like that only made things worse.

[LEONARD]

The above pictures do not show the initial body contact by Stackhouse, only the follow through.

I guess nobody captured that picture then...


Dude, it doesn't have to be above the shoulders to be suspended.

Just like you can be going for the ball and it be a flagrant.

Did you even read my post??? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060616/capt.e88f3766916a4db0a4ef970878ff1d83.nba_finals_b asketball_aaa146.jpg

[SPARKY]

When I saw the play I was surprised Stackhouse wasn't ejected. Of course, in true 2006 playoffs fashion it was Stackhouse who first got to shoot a free throw afterwards (yes I know there was a T). Stackhouse ran into Shaq at full speed without any play on the ball. He led with an elbow above the shoulder. No matter if contact was made, that is not exactly a play to make without expecting to pay for it. Maybe instead of blaming the league Mavs fans can find it within themselves to blame a player for making a stupid play.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060616/capt.e88f3766916a4db0a4ef970878ff1d83.nba_finals_b asketball_aaa146.jpg

Him.

Is that his head, being made contact with?

[whottt]

On the 3rd example, the Stack suspension - How did Shaq manage to break Stack's nose and give him 3 stitches in Game 1? Is his nose magically not above his neck?


Shaq's didn't appear to be intentional...he was making a play on the ball. Was it intentional? Yeah, IMO Shaw knew exactly what he was doing...but it's not conclusively intentional. Stack's was obvious that he wasn't even going for the ball. It was obvious that he was going for a hard foul and the original replays did show him catching Shaq in the head with his elbow. He wasn't going for the ball and it was above the shoulders. You can sit there and see Stack sizing him up for it. The rule is clear and either you don't know the rules of the game and are blind...or you are full of it.


Stop whining victim...just stop it. It was a blatant shot to the head on the man with the ball. Shaq's foul wasn't. Them's the rules and at least they are being consistent about it.

[FromWayDowntown]

On the 3rd example, the Stack suspension - How did Shaq manage to break Stack's nose and give him 3 stitches in Game 1? Is his nose magically not above his neck?

I'd say that the difference is intent. I didn't see that Shaq's play on Stackhouse was deliberate -- the contact above the shoulder was incidental to the play that Shaq was making on the ball. It wasn't called a flagrant, which automatically makes it distinguishable from Stackhouse's. And, as importantly, the league didn't make a flagrant after the fact and means that my point remains correct.

[SPARKY]

I guess nobody captured that picture then...

The body contact happened before those pics. I guess you forgot that some here actually watched the game.

[CosmicCowboy]

I say to hell with the last three games. Let Shaq and Stack cagefight for the OBrien. I would do pay per view for THAT.

[LEONARD]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060616/capt.e88f3766916a4db0a4ef970878ff1d83.nba_finals_b asketball_aaa146.jpg

Hadn't seen that one...looks like contact above the shoulders...wish it was from the backside though...


When I saw the play I was surprised Stackhouse wasn't ejected. Of course, in true 2006 playoffs fashion it was Stackhouse who first got to shoot a free throw afterwards (yes I know there was a T). Stackhouse ran into Shaq at full speed without any pay on the ball. He led with an elbow above the shoulder. No matter if contact was made, that is not exactly a play to make without expecting to pay for it. Maybe instead of blaming the league Mavs fans can find it within themselves to blame a player for making a stupid play.

I don't blame the league at all...it is what it is.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Hadn't seen that one...looks like contact above the shoulders...wish it was from the backside though...



I don't blame the league at all...it is what it is.

:lol


:elephant

[LEONARD]

I say to hell with the last three games. Let Shaq and Stack cagefight for the OBrien. I would do pay per view for THAT.

Give me Stack...too quick and scrappy... :fro

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Shaq would make Stack his bitch.

[ChumpDumper]

Hadn't seen that one...Dude, it was with all the other pictures you hotlinked from Yahoo.
wish it was from the backside though.That's what Cuban said.

[baseline bum]

Hah... that was a brutal foul, and would have injured anyone else on that team.

I don't think he should have been suspended, but then again I think the game should be called like it was in the 80s when you could actually play fucking defense and soft-ass German bitches didn't go flying to the ground like a sniper took them out every time someone gives them a little tap.

Cuban, you pushed for the pussy game. You can't have it both ways.

[CosmicCowboy]

Give me Stack...too quick and scrappy... :fro

I think that Shaq would be everyones nightmare to fight...wind up a punch from your ankle and break your hand on his jaw...and he would just grin and shake it off...

[baseline bum]

Little do the Heat know that the Stackhouse suspensions might've just won the mavs the series. Stackhouse was 7-27 the last 2 games and was the worst player on the court.

Stackhouse also won you guys game 2 with the ridiculous threes he was hitting in the second quarter.

[whottt]

Actually Stack's ploy was pretty smart...he knew Shaq was going to be pissed, and Shaq'd either have to deal with it, or make his move on Stack. If Shaq had gone after him it would have been an automatic ejection and Stack would have looked pretty damn smart. Wade saved the game in more ways than one there.

[Shank]

That's what Cuban said.

It's important to stay on topic. :lol

Messing with you.

[bonesinaz]

Actually Stack's ploy was pretty smart...he knew Shaq was going to be pissed, and Shaq'd either have to deal with it, or make his move on Stack. If Shaq had gone after him it would have been an automatic ejection and Stack would have looked pretty damn smart. Wade saved the game in more ways than one there.

Exactly. I thought Shaq might fling Wade out of the way to get to Stack, though.

[SPARKY]

http://www.blogmaverick.com/



S-T-A-C-K
Posted Jun 11, 2006, 10:28 PM ET

Say it loud. Say it proud.

We have to play so much better, but when a guy can have such a huge impact. WOW !

cut down the turnovers. Push the ball. Be more efficient. Keep working on D.

m

[LEONARD]

Dude, it was with all the other pictures you hotlinked from Yahoo.That's what Cuban said.

I pulled them from another thread...I didn't go thru all the yahoo pics myself... :drunk


I think that Shaq would be everyones nightmare to fight...wind up a punch from your ankle and break your hand on his jaw...and he would just grin and shake it off...

Yes, because big = having a good chin ;)

[baseline bum]

Shaq can't fight. If Shaq had any balls he would have gone after Oakley instead of Brad Miller in that game in 2000 when Oakley was beating the shit out of him.

[CosmicCowboy]

Easy for you guys to say. I am a big tough SOB and can take a punch better than most and have a high pain threshold but I would run from Shaq. I have never lost a fight but you gotta know your limitations.

[Amarelooms]

Just because Shaq got hit in the head does not = suspension. Are you people for real??? Players get smacked in the head ALL THE TIME. It was a hard flagrant 1 foul...nothing more or less. If you look at the play Shaq's left arm is pushing Stack and prevents him from extending to the ball thus the slap in the face....wasn't even that hard of a hit. Very sad that the NBA and Stern have gone out of control with all these suspensions. Have any of you watched the Pistons and Lakers of the 90's...that play happened 10 times a game.

[ChumpDumper]

Offensive foul on Shaq!

[whottt]

Shaq's probably never gotten into a real fight(because no one sane is going to seek him out for one) so he probably doesn't have real good fighting skills...that doesn't mean you want to be the first guy he connects on...he's a big fucking dude and if he hits you, you're going down.

[ace3g]

mavs fans can thank mark cuban for the suspension because it was him who said nationally that, "I really got involved to outlaw all the handchecking and all the beating up of guys on the perimeter, so now the game's gotten a lot smoother, so you've got superstars like Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki who can take the ball to the hoop without all of that old Knicks ball, the old Pat Riley stuff, where they'd just beat up on people. So, we changed it up some."

[mavsfan1000]

Those that think losing Stackhouse was a huge blow have not watched Dallas all year. They got the depth to overcome it and at times I'm glad Stackhouse is out of the game since he disrupts the flow offensively with his one on one game.

[ShoogarBear]

mavs fans can thank mark cuban for the suspension because it was him who said nationally that, "I really got involved to outlaw all the handchecking and all the beating up of guys on the perimeter, so now the game's gotten a lot smoother, so you've got superstars like Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki who can take the ball to the hoop without all of that old Knicks ball, the old Pat Riley stuff, where they'd just beat up on people. So, we changed it up some."

Precisely.

Dickwad will have something else to say soon, though

[SPARKY]

I think it's a key time for Cuban to insult the Atlantic Ocean.

[SPARKY]

Just because Shaq got hit in the head does not = suspension. Are you people for real??? Players get smacked in the head ALL THE TIME. It was a hard flagrant 1 foul...nothing more or less. If you look at the play Shaq's left arm is pushing Stack and prevents him from extending to the ball thus the slap in the face....wasn't even that hard of a hit. Very sad that the NBA and Stern have gone out of control with all these suspensions. Have any of you watched the Pistons and Lakers of the 90's...that play happened 10 times a game.

It was Shaq's fault Stackhouse ran into him. Got it.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/06-06/0617stackhouse.jpg

Self defense!

[baseline bum]

Just because Shaq got hit in the head does not = suspension. Are you people for real??? Players get smacked in the head ALL THE TIME. It was a hard flagrant 1 foul...nothing more or less. If you look at the play Shaq's left arm is pushing Stack and prevents him from extending to the ball thus the slap in the face....wasn't even that hard of a hit. Very sad that the NBA and Stern have gone out of control with all these suspensions. Have any of you watched the Pistons and Lakers of the 90's...that play happened 10 times a game.

Have you watched the whole playoffs where Dirk goes to the line for the slightest touch? You can't have it both ways.

[SPARKY]

Just go to youtube.com and look up the clip. If you have any doubt after that, yes, your Mavs are in trouble.

[dav4463]

Anybody that could possibly think that Stack does not deserve to be suspended is out of touch with reality. He flew in with his forearm directly to the head and didn't even think about playing the ball. The thug should be suspended for the rest of the series.

[Shank]

The thug should be suspended for the rest of the series.

I would say that's a stupid comment but it actually falls right in line with the mentality of the typical Spurs poster.

[Darrin]

Stackhouse has had some bad memories on that floor...

[Trainwreck2100]

Welp if anything I think this suspension makes it easier for the offensive minded players like your Lebrons, Wades, and Dirks.

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty funny when you consider:

1) Shaq might have pulled up on the rim after that dunk and gotten a 2nd tech.

2) Stack knocked Shaq's noggin just enough to make him start hitting his free throws.

[DirkAB]

we all know what happened last time a mavs player got suspended in a playoff series

Yeah, they lost the game that Terry missed, lucky for them they went into that game up one, they don't have that luxary this time around. If they lose this next one, they are done. IMO, the Mavs are done.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I completely disagree with the suspension.

Good hard foul IMO.

This league is being turned into the WNBA.

[Trainwreck2100]

Thanks mostly to Mark Cuban, see there is an irony here.

[DubMcDub]

Even Steve Kerr thinks the suspension was BS:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhfA.A2.LjTBUBLt1iZMjKO8vLYF?slug=sk-stackhouse061606&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Of course I fully expect a Spurs fan to chime in within the next 30 minutes about how Kerr is a full-fledged "Mavs homer" these days :lol :rolleyes.

[Trainwreck2100]

Welcome to the new NBA, thank your owner.

[Slinkyman]

I think it's BS but it's consistent with what the league has been doing all playoffs.

[Mavs_man_41]

Anybody that could possibly think that Stack does not deserve to be suspended is out of touch with reality. He flew in with his forearm directly to the head and didn't even think about playing the ball. The thug should be suspended for the rest of the series.

Hey dumbass look at the pic in the thread above. Stackhouse didnt even hit him in the head.

[DubMcDub]

I think it's BS but it's consistent with what the league has been doing all playoffs.

I agree to an extent. I think they've at least been pretty good about not being afraid to suspend people, but at the same time they haven't been doing a good job making the punishment fit the crime.

If Raja Bell clotheslining Kobe out of nowhere is worth a 1 game suspension, then what Stackhouse did is NOT worth a suspension. Of course, it's always possible that what Stackhouse did really is worth 1 game, but in that case Bell should have been suspended for a lot more than 1.

That's my only problem really. They need to "tier" the punishments better so that worse crimes actually receive worse punishments.

[baseline bum]

I completely disagree with the suspension.

Good hard foul IMO.

This league is being turned into the WNBA.


Normally, I'd agree... but our series the game was turned into WNBA in favor of them, so I won't shed a tear when the new soft-NBA rules screw Dallas over this time.

[DubMcDub]

Normally, I'd agree... but our series the game was turned into WNBA in favor of them, so I won't shed a tear when the new soft-NBA rules screw Dallas over this time.

I find you normally to be good poster but this is a bit weird. Duncan got just as many whistles for more ridiculous touch fouls against him as Dirk did. I think both teams benefitted from the new "softer" NBA.

[Trainwreck2100]

Hey dumbass look at the pic in the thread above. Stackhouse didnt even hit him in the head.


http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060616/capt.e88f3766916a4db0a4ef970878ff1d83.nba_finals_b asketball_aaa146.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7923/owl21mx.jpg

[ShackO]

Nice picture..............

[baseline bum]

There is no way the Spurs benefitted by having Duncan kicked from game 3 on a borederline at best call and then Bowen getting screwed in game 4 on an obvious horrible call. Your team's depth won out, and props to your guys for it, but there's no way those rules did anything positive for San Antonio.

[Trainwreck2100]

don't forget manu fouled out

[SPARKY]

There was no play on the ball, just Stackhouse running into Shaq on a breakaway with Stackhouse's right elbow aimed squarely at his head. There was plenty of intent shown by Stackhouse to do something other than simply stop Shaq from scoring. He didn't try to wrap him up, he didn't take a swipe at the ball, he just delivered a hit as if he was a SS and Shaq was running a post pattern inside. That's a bit beyond just a "hard" playoff foul. Perhaps in the NBA of the late 80s/early 90s that goes but not today.

[baseline bum]

At least that one there was some real contact, and Manu was moving towards Terry.

[Trainwreck2100]

There was no play on the ball, just Stackhouse running into Shaq on a breakaway with Stackhouse's right elbow aimed squarely at his head. There was plenty of intent shown by Stackhouse to do something other than simply stop Shaq from scoring. He didn't try to wrap him up, he didn't take a swipe at the ball, he just delivered a hit as if he was a SS and Shaq was running a post pattern inside. That's a bit beyond just a "hard" playoff foul. Perhaps in the NBA of the late 80s/early 90s that goes but not today.



And that's just sad. Thanks Cubes.

[DubMcDub]

There is no way the Spurs benefitted by having Duncan kicked from game 3 on a borederline at best call and then Bowen getting screwed in game 4 on an obvious horrible call. Your team's depth won out, and props to your guys for it, but there's no way those rules did anything positive for San Antonio.

But you're being INCREDIBLY selective here. You ignore Game 5, in which Duncan shot lord knows how many And-1's, some of those on VERY questionable calls--a game the Spurs only ended up winning by 1 point. You ignore Game 6, in which Harris got called for barely touching Bowen at the end of the game on a critical offensive foul when the Mavs had a chance to go up one.

Both teams benefitted from the quicker whistle. Bottom line.

Like I said, I've found you to be quite reasonable. But right now you're only seeing what you want to see...

[SPARKY]

[link removed]

[baseline bum]

None of that compares to Dirk shooting 23 ft and Dallas shooting 50 in game 3.

[DubMcDub]

None of that compares to Dirk shooting 23 ft and Dallas shooting 50 in game 3.

Because you're a Spurs fan.

It definitely compares quite well for fans of a team that had to watch Duncan get to the line 4 times in like 1 minute by leaning into KVH over and over and over.

[Trainwreck2100]

[link removed]

[td4mvp21]

Hey dumbass look at the pic in the thread above. Stackhouse didnt even hit him in the head.

:wtf

His arm is on his head.

[baseline bum]

Quick whistles kept our whole team in foul trouble the entire series. There's no way it evened out. Big difference between a guy who has no defensive game whatsoever in Van Horn committing fouls in desperation vs. ticky-tack crap on perennial All-NBA Defensive team members in Bowen and Duncan.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

If Shaq did the same thing to Stackhouse he might've killed him, so I think the suspension is definitely deserved. Just because Shaq is big shouldn't give others free reign to do whatever they want to him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lmao

You wouldn't believe all the talk in Dallas right now. The games are fixed. The league hates the Mavs. The league protects Shaq.

Excuse me? The league hates the same team that practically got handed the whistles in their series with us? The same league whose refs send Dirk to the FT line 20 times every night?

The meltdown is hilarious. God I hope they blow this series.

[ShackO]

There was no play on the ball, just Stackhouse running into Shaq on a breakaway with Stackhouse's right elbow aimed squarely at his head. There was plenty of intent shown by Stackhouse to do something other than simply stop Shaq from scoring. He didn't try to wrap him up, he didn't take a swipe at the ball, he just delivered a hit as if he was a SS and Shaq was running a post pattern inside. That's a bit beyond just a "hard" playoff foul. Perhaps in the NBA of the late 80s/early 90s that goes but not today.

It has already been said but no harm in saying it a few more times I guess... Stack was not able to reach or jump that high....

His forearm is across Shaq's face not his elbow........

Shaq is hardly a victim here.....

In the opinion of the officials calling the game............

The two calling the game as well as most of the fans in attendance felt that what was done was sufficient for what Stack had done.....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yes I am a Mavs fan but this suspension is complete BS. Game 5 of the NBA freakin Finals and you suspend Stack....basically giving the Heat the win and a 3-2 lead.

Have to chime in on this one - the precedent was set with Posey's similar play on Hinrich in round 1. Fucking deal with it.

[SPARKY]

Quick whistles kept our whole team in foul trouble the entire series. There's no way it evened out. Big difference between a guy who has no defensive game whatsoever in Van Horn committing fouls in desperation vs. ticky-tack crap on perennial All-NBA Defensive team members in Bowen and Duncan.

The Spurs obviously benefitted from Duncan missing the last 6:30 or so of the 2nd Q of Game 2 with 3 fouls.

[SPARKY]

It has already been said but no harm in saying it a few more times I guess... Stack was not able to reach or jump that high....

His forearm is across Shaq's face not his elbow........

Shaq is hardly a victim here.....

In the opinion of the officials calling the game............

The two calling the game as well as most of the fans in attendance felt that what was done was sufficient for what Stack had done.....


Inability to "reach or jump that high" is not an excuse. His elbow was aimed right at his head. I'd think Stackhouse is capable of commiting a foul on Shaq without having to blindside him.

Also, and this may come as a surprise, just because Shaq is as big as he is that is not an excuse for players to intentionally go at him with excessive force or unacceptable contact.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This thing gets even better... the Dallas media is fanning the conspiracy fire stating that the league office is located in Miami.

Last I checked NBA HQ is up in New York. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

Karma's a bitch

[SPARKY]

Hey, maybe Stackhouse is to blame.

[Shank]

This thing gets even better... the Dallas media is fanning the conspiracy fire stating that the league office is located in Miami.

Last I checked NBA HQ is up in New York. :lol

Dude, where do you get your shit? Do you even live in Dallas? Who is this "Dallas media" you speak of? Because damn near everything you've said about what goes on in this city has been convoluted or just straight bullshit. Shut the fuck up already. You obviously don't know what's going on around here.

[ShackO]

Inability to "reach or jump that high" is not an excuse. His elbow was aimed right at his head. I'd think Stackhouse is capable of commiting a foul on Shaq without having to blindside him.

Also, and this may come as a surprise, just because Shaq is as big as he is that is not an excuse for players to intentionally go at him with excessive force or unacceptable contact.


Sure they shouldn’t foul him or anyone else but then neither should he……

He has drawn blood how many times this series now???

Perhaps in the mind of some a picture of Shaq being a victim here is possible…….. I would not be one of them…

I do agree though Stack could have been a bit more tactful as his inertia alone would have been enough to send the “repetitive victimizer’s” ass to the hardwood…….

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dude, where do you get your shit? Do you even live in Dallas? Who is this "Dallas media" you speak of? Because damn near everything you've said about what goes on in this city has been convoluted or just straight bullshit. Shut the fuck up already. You obviously don't know what's going on around here.

Yes I live in Dallas. KFWD (News 8) 10 o'clock news broadcast. Piss off, fag.

I'm sorry you got your gay ass green and blue beer goggles on that obstruct your view from what the rest of us call reality. YOU shut the fuck up, fucking pussy ass Mav fan.

I guess I'd be bitter too if someone was posting all the drivel coming out of my town's idiotic ass sportswriters, reinforcing the idiocy of the Mavs posters on this forum. Actually the shit the press spews up here probably explains a lot of your stupid ass posts.

[dirk4mvp]

I think that Shaq would be everyones nightmare to fight...wind up a punch from your ankle and break your hand on his jaw...and he would just grin and shake it off...

Give M'Benga as Stack's tag team partner. He's a blackbelt in Judo :fro

[Shank]

Yes I live in Dallas. KFWD (News 8) 10 o'clock news broadcast. Piss off, fag.

I'm sorry you got your gay ass green and blue beer goggles on that obstruct your view from what the rest of us call reality. YOU shut the fuck up, fucking pussy ass Mav fan.

I guess I'd be bitter too if someone was posting all the drivel coming out of my town's idiotic ass sportswriters, reinforcing the idiocy of the Mavs posters on this forum. Actually the shit the press spews up here probably explains a lot of your stupid ass posts.

WFAA is Channel 8, ABC.

You've proven my point. Thank you.

[windboy226]

Man.. I don't understand the league sometimes. They'll suspend Stack for this but won't suspend Evans for a clear nut grab?

[dirk4mvp]

Man.. I don't understand the league sometimes. They'll suspend Stack for this but won't suspend Evans for a clear nut grab?
That will forever remain a mystery.....

[jman3000]

That will forever remain a mystery.....

Stern already said that he wanted to suspend him, but Jackson made the decision while Stern was mid-flight in an airplane.

[Trainwreck2100]

What is nutgrabing classified under?

[dirk4mvp]

What is nutgrabing classified under?
A JET punch x10 with a little more affection

[RonMexico]

Sure they shouldn’t foul him or anyone else but then neither should he……

He has drawn blood how many times this series now???

Perhaps in the mind of some a picture of Shaq being a victim here is possible…….. I would not be one of them…

I do agree though Stack could have been a bit more tactful as his inertia alone would have been enough to send the “repetitive victimizer’s” ass to the hardwood…….

Just because he drew blood on Stackhouse's gigantic caveman nose doesn't mean the guy has to try and send him a few rows into the stands... this just reinforced Jerry's "bitch" status and the fact that he can't let go of getting smacked in the face by Shaq on a non-intentional act... and again, I'm ok with Shaq throwing Dirk an elbow every now and then because that pussy deserves to see what real contact is like rather than getting all these touch fouls on the perimeter...

[dirk4mvp]

You just don't accept defeat well, do you?

[ChumpDumper]

Try not to hit opponents in the head or the nads, Mavfan. Everything else is actual basketball.

[dirk4mvp]

I'm sorry. My aim is a little off.

[dieman8686]

Reading many of these posts just plain out makes me laugh. You guys will eat up anything that is thrown against the Mavs since we beat you. Many claiming Terry is a thug, and Stack is now considered a dirty player :depressed. Sparky is the main guy who cracks me up the most, he will never go down and just keep boasting of how stack really deserves it. "He was aiming for his head!", and others claming he hit him in the head, when in fact he was grazed as stack and shaq were coming down from their jump. Heck, shaq was fouled so hard he didn't even aim and shoot for the rim. Now here is a better angle of the hard foul, in which your bitterness only allows you what you want to see.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3872/2201383336034rm.jpg
The only reason he fell as he did was because of his stance with stack being in front of him.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Where are the Cuban quotes? Based on his reaction to an obvious mandatory suspension (Terry) I've been really looking forward to hearing him discuss this one, which was more of a judgement call. Don't let me down, Mark. :lol

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Where are the Cuban quotes? Based on his reaction to an obvious mandatory suspension (Terry) I've been really looking forward to hearing him discuss this one, which was more of a judgement call. Don't let me down, Mark. :lol

One I just heard on ESPN News went something like "Shaq can elbow people accidently, but when Stack fouls him hard he gets suspended?". :rolleyes C'mon Cubie, I thought you could do a little better then that.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

You guys will eat up anything that is thrown against the Mavs
So what exactly is your rational, unbiased opinion? That Stack clearly didn't deserve the suspension and it's a conspiracy against Dallas?

[dirk4mvp]

Here you are.

Mark Cuban:

quote:
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"It makes no sense at all," owner Mark Cuban wrote in an e-mail. "There have been more 'accidental' elbows to Mavs players' heads this series than is statistically possible. (Wasn't it [Heat coach Pat] Riley who said that there is no such thing as an accidental elbow?) More stiff arms to faces of our double teams, all without response from the league."

[...]

"Shaq creates more dangerous contact camping in the lane for 5 seconds trying to set an NBA finals record for charges taken by a center than Stack did trying to prevent a layup," Cuban wrote.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Reading many of these posts just plain out makes me laugh. You guys will eat up anything that is thrown against the Mavs since we beat you. Many claiming Terry is a thug, and Stack is now considered a dirty player :depressed. Sparky is the main guy who cracks me up the most, he will never go down and just keep boasting of how stack really deserves it. "He was aiming for his head!", and others claming he hit him in the head, when in fact he was grazed as stack and shaq were coming down from their jump. Heck, shaq was fouled so hard he didn't even aim and shoot for the rim. Now here is a better angle of the hard foul, in which your bitterness only allows you what you want to see.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3872/2201383336034rm.jpg
The only reason he fell as he did was because of his stance with stack being in front of him.

Did you even watch the game?

That angle is probably the most favorable to your argument, which is why I'm guessing you chose it. He wasn't "in front" of Shaq...he was catching up to him from behind and at best was side-by-side with him.

The foul was dirty, he got suspended. Shit happens. Terry has a history of taking cheap shots at players, and Stack is known as a physical borderline dirty player. That's not rumors, it's pretty much accepted fact throughout the league.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Ah good stuff from Cuban, as I was hoping. Basically he's saying Shaq shouldn't be allowed to play because he's too big. Makes sense to me... :lol

edit: I love that "stiff arms to our double teams" part. I assume he's talking about that 1 (ONE) play where Harris came to double and Shaq held him back with one arm, like a fucking rag doll.

[dieman8686]

So what exactly is your rational, unbiased opinion? That Stack clearly didn't deserve the suspension and it's a conspiracy against Dallas?
Adding words to my mouth aren't yall? No way, I don't think there is a conspiracy, it's just bad judgment again by Stu and his inconsistency. I know most of you Spurs do think there is one, hey but thats you...
What I'm saying is that you guys come in like vultures and attack everything the Mavs do, non-calls, calls, you name it, which I only see as your bitterness.

[dirk4mvp]

Well losing does suck.

[ChumpDumper]

Reading many of these posts just plain out makes me laugh. You guys will eat up anything that is thrown against the Mavs since we beat you. Many claiming Terry is a thug, and Stack is now considered a dirty player :depressed. Sparky is the main guy who cracks me up the most, he will never go down and just keep boasting of how stack really deserves it. "He was aiming for his head!", and others claming he hit him in the head, when in fact he was grazed as stack and shaq were coming down from their jump. Heck, shaq was fouled so hard he didn't even aim and shoot for the rim. Now here is a better angle of the hard foul, in which your bitterness only allows you what you want to see.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3872/2201383336034rm.jpg
The only reason he fell as he did was because of his stance with stack being in front of him.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060616/capt.e88f3766916a4db0a4ef970878ff1d83.nba_finals_b asketball_aaa146.jpg

He is obviously ahead of Shaq here and in your pic.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

So Stack didn't deserve the suspension, and you and Mark Cuban know the rules better than Stu Jackson and David Stern. That's a really good rational option too.

[dirk4mvp]

Ahead of Shaq? Are you blind?

[dieman8686]

Did you even watch the game?

That angle is probably the most favorable to your argument, which is why I'm guessing you chose it. He wasn't "in front" of Shaq...he was catching up to him from behind and at best was side-by-side with him.

The foul was dirty, he got suspended. Shit happens. Terry has a history of taking cheap shots at players, and Stack is known as a physical borderline dirty player. That's not rumors, it's pretty much accepted fact throughout the league.
Likewise to most of you choosing the picture that benefits you...
At the time of the foul, of course he wasn't in front of him..... :rolleyes , I'm talking about the aftermath when gravity takes its effect. :wakeup

[ChumpDumper]

It's a fair cop.

Gravity's to blame.

[dieman8686]

It's a fair cop.

Gravity's to blame.
Wow seriously just stop...and your more of a mod...you guys take so many things out of context.

[dieman8686]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060616/capt.e88f3766916a4db0a4ef970878ff1d83.nba_finals_b asketball_aaa146.jpg

He is obviously ahead of Shaq here and in your pic.
Ahead of shaq?

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly.

[dirk4mvp]

Explain? Stack has his arm stretched out, and it's just touching the side of Shaq's body.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Explain? Stack has his arm stretched out, and it's just touching the side of Shaq's body.

:lol



'Touching'




:elephant

[dirk4mvp]

Yeah.....it wasn't that funny.

[ChumpDumper]

Explain. Stack's forearm hit Shaq's face and the follow though sent him sprawling into the first row.

Live with the suspension or be forever a whiner.

Make the choice.

[dirk4mvp]

I'm not whing one bit. What's done is done. But anybody with any sight at all could see Stack is behind him.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Yeah.....it wasn't that funny.

I knew you would disagree.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not whing one bit. What's done is done. But anybody with any sight at all could see Stack is behind him.No shit.

Turn on your HDnet sarcasm detector.

[dirk4mvp]

It needs new batteries.

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

a deserved suspension. hopefully, we can maybe sneak in a game in Miami, and then just have to win one at home. it will be tough to win two in a row at home. they just have to keep fighting

[SPARKY]

Reading many of these posts just plain out makes me laugh. You guys will eat up anything that is thrown against the Mavs since we beat you. Many claiming Terry is a thug

Haven't called him a "thug", just a player who stupidly threw a punch at someone's nuts and got himself suspended for a playoff game.



, and Stack is now considered a dirty player :depressed. Sparky is the main guy who cracks me up the most, he will never go down and just keep boasting of how stack really deserves it. "He was aiming for his head!", and others claming he hit him in the head, when in fact he was grazed as stack and shaq were coming down from their jump. Heck, shaq was fouled so hard he didn't even aim and shoot for the rim. Now here is a better angle of the hard foul, in which your bitterness only allows you what you want to see.


I don't need a picture. I saw the play. I saw the replay. Then I pulled up the clip on the internets and viewed it again. Stackhouse ran into Shaq and was leading with his right elbow aimed squarely at Shaq's head. Shaq was not just "grazed" (:lol) There was no play on the ball. It's hard to argue that Stackhouse's intent was something other than hitting Shaq hard. This isn't the NFL.



The only reason he fell as he did was because of his stance with stack being in front of him.

What stance? He got the dish on a break and was going to dunk it before Stackhouse decided to make a foolish play and got himself suspended for a Game 5 with the series at 2-2. Make all the lame homerific excuses you like but Mavs fans only have one man to blame and his name starts with a S. And no, that S doesn't stand for SPARKY.

[SPARKY]

Before I forget, if the Mavs want to start adminstering hard fouls D Wade would be a much better target.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao @ Mavs fans. Man, the only thing that will come close to the Spurs being in the Finals would be the Mavs blowing a 2-0 lead to the Heat. To have them come so close and fall short would be pretty damn sweet.

I don't think that'll happen though. Miami is the lesser of the teams, and it'll show in the end. This is still pretty damn funny though.

[ShoogarBear]

Cuban, as expected, turns into a sniveling hypocritical piece of dung two nights after blasting Riley ball, and most Mav Fans, as expected, march right behind their leader.

[bulletedge]

No sniveling here, Shoogar. Some of us Mavs fans are happy about Stack's suspension. It might be just what Dallas needs to shake them out of their lethargy and get them back to playing like they did in the series against the Spurs.

If they can do that, they will win just like they did against the Spurs- because the Spurs are a much better team than Miami. If they keep playing like a junior high team playing in a big gym for the first time- they will lose. And they will deserve to lose if they continue playing like that.

[LEONARD]

No sniveling here, Shoogar. Some of us Mavs fans are happy about Stack's suspension. It might be just what Dallas needs to shake them out of their lethargy and get them back to playing like they did in the series against the Spurs.

If they can do that, they will win just like they did against the Spurs- because the Spurs are a much better team than Miami. If they keep playing like a junior high team playing in a big gym for the first time- they will lose. And they will deserve to lose if they continue playing like that.

Exactly...

I'm still confident that the Mavs are better than the Heat even without Stackhouse...

Not pissed about Stack being suspended either...I liked the hard foul, but if they felt he should be suspended so be it. For the most part, Stack has been great in Dallas...most didn't think he would accept the 6th man role and he has with no complaining. He's a bit of a thug, but the Mavs need a couple guys like that...

[picnroll]

Only chance the Mavs have is if the refs make the teams go back to playing pussy ball.

[bulletedge]

Well, they have NO chance if they keep firing up bricks and airballs on wide open jumpers.

I don't know what will happen the rest of the way in this series. Either team can still take it. But, I DO know that if the Mavs win the series Spurs fans on this forum will find many reasons why they didn't REALLY win the Title. I hope I get to read them because that will mean the Mavs won.

[baseline bum]

Hahaha... Stackhouse grazed Shaq? What a fucking joke!

[TheSanityAnnex]

Its kinda sad that certain Spurs posters are happy and excited that Stackhouse got suspended. What is up with that?

I want to see both teams play with their full squads. If Dirk and Howard have an 'average' night, Dallas wins game 5.

[bulletedge]

Its kinda sad that certain Spurs posters are happy and excited that Stackhouse got suspended. What is up with that?

I want to see both teams play with their full squads. If Dirk and Howard have an 'average' night, Dallas wins game 5.

There are a lot of "haters" on here- but a LOT MORE true basketball fans who express intelligent opinions based on more than pure "homerism".

I just try to ignore the smack-talkers while greatly enjoying the intelligent majority.

[Hook Dem]

"LOL...ok very nice NBA. How about suspend Dirk for Game 6....." Sounds like an excellent idea to me! :lol

[bulletedge]

Hmmm...just read this written by one of the Spurs' own heroes (who actually played in the NBA unlike the rest of us on this forum):

Flagrant foul-up
By Steve Kerr, Yahoo! Sports
June 16, 2006

Jason Williams may have made his most influential play of the NBA Finals in Game 4 – albeit unwittingly – when he waited for Shaquille O'Neal to catch up to him, fed him for a possible dunk and then watched as Jerry Stackhouse clocked O'Neal on his way to the rim.

At the time, Miami Heat coach Pat Riley was upset with his point guard, who had a clear path to the hoop for an easy layin. But now that Stackhouse has been suspended for Game 5 by the league for his flagrant foul on Shaq, Riley might want to call Williams and congratulate him. The Heat already had plenty of momentum, but now they have a golden opportunity to take a 3-2 series lead over the Dallas Mavericks.

Stackhouse is Dallas' toughest player, and for a team that was physically manhandled in Thursday's 98-74 defeat, his loss is crucial. He is the Mavs' leading scorer off the bench and a guy who is always in the game at crunch time. In his absence, Marquis Daniels should step in and play some major minutes for Avery Johnson.

As for the NBA's decision to suspend Stackhouse, I don't believe the league made a good decision. Yes, Stackhouse's foul was hard, but he raced back on defense, caught up to O'Neal and fouled him hard to force him to make two free throws. That's what you're supposed to do as a player, particularly in the playoffs. There are no easy baskets, especially when the guy you're fouling is such a poor free-throw shooter.

Was the foul malicious? No. Was it cheap? No. Can you compare it to Raja Bell's clothesline foul of Kobe Bryant that also warranted a one-game suspension? Not a chance.

What about Jason Terry's punch of Michael Finley in the Western Conference semifinals? That was a punch, which is an automatic suspension – no questions asked. Even the suspension of Udonis Haslem for firing his mouthpiece at referee Joey Crawford during the first round made sense because the officials have to be protected. And James Posey's blatant crosscheck of Kirk Hinrich in Game 3 of the Bulls-Heat series warranted at least a one-game suspension, if not two. Posey lined up Hinrich and made a premeditated hit on him while he was dribbling out on the floor, not driving for a layup.

The one controversial play in the playoffs that did not result in a suspension, ironically enough, was when Reggie Evans grabbed Chris Kaman's, uh, nuggets, so to speak, in the Denver-Clippers series. Evans got off with a $10,000 fine. Go figure. All I know is that NBA fans deserve to see the two best teams battle it out for the championship with the best players on the floor.

If Stackhouse punched somebody or pulled a Raja Bell, by all means, he should be sidelined. But to suspend him for a hard foul in the NBA Finals? The league should have fined Stackhouse – say $10K, like Evans – but made a distinction between what he did and the premeditated, dirty plays that Bell and Posey made.

Steve Kerr is Yahoo! Sports' NBA analyst. Send him a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.

[LEONARD]

Well said by Kerr...

[kalikot_boy_kr]

cuban is calling now the refs, so watch out! hahahhaha!!!!! idiot cuban!!

[kalikot_boy_kr]

all the mavs fan are like a toilet paper! hahahhha! ur basketbal is so boring to watch!!!

[leemajors]

hahahaha

Reggie Evans grabbed Chris Kaman's, uh, nuggets, so to speak

[LEONARD]

cuban is calling now the refs, so watch out! hahahhaha!!!!! idiot cuban!!


all the mavs fan are like a toilet paper! hahahhha! ur basketbal is so boring to watch!!!

Why do you always post in back-to-back pairs??? :lol

Engrish mofo...do you speak it?? :lol

[kalikot_boy_kr]

:elephant hahahha! back to back bad ass!!! u!!! hahhaha!!! :elephant

[kalikot_boy_kr]

next game: dirky nowitky will be suspended too!!! hahhahahha!

[Findog]

What's done is done. Whining and debating it to death does the Mavs no good. I think it's borderline. You can make a case either way. I'm sure AJ's comments yesterday are for the effect of creating an us against the world bunker mentality to get this team psychologically ready for a tough Game 5. His comments aren't about winning a debate but firing up his team. Raja Bell was absolutely in the wrong, much more so than Stack in this case or Terry's nutpunch, but the Suns responded in the right way.

No question it hurts Dallas. Stack is streaky but he's always in when Dirk catches a breather to run and initiate the offense. His 30 minutes will be divided up between Griffin, Daniels and Van Horn.

That doesn't mean Dallas can't beat Miami without him. They certainly didn't get anything from him in G3. What's got to change for Dallas more than anything else is Dirk has to step up and they have to get Wade under control as best as they can. In Dallas, Wade was held to 26 points on 39% shooting. The Mavs can easily live with that. In Miami, he's getting 39, 10 and 3 on 47%. That's why the Mavs are losing, along with getting intimidated out of going to the basket and settling for jumpers. Stack being out creates an opportunity to Daniels, who hasn't played because AJ doesn't trust him but out of necessity he's going to get minutes in G5. He's a slasher that can go to the basket. They'll need that to attack Miami when the Heat go into a zone.

A lot of credit is due to Haslem and Posey for bodying up Dirk and trying to take him out of his comfort zone. It's the Bowen model of defense and the refs for the most part are allowing the contact. But the problem is just as much in Dirk's head as anything else. He got the better of Bowen eventually and he shouldn't have any problems now. He made tremendous strides this year in developing a postup game, responding to physicality and becoming mentally tough. There's no way Dallas beats SAS without him playing at an unreal level. But the next 2-3 games are going to define Dirk's career. He's still a guy who can be kept off-balance and out of his comfort zone for a game or two, but for a whole series? He threw up two stinkers in the San Antonio series and he was terrible in G4 against PHX, but he's turned in four straight subpar outings in a row in the Finals. Is that going to continue?

[bulletedge]

Findog,

I just posted Kerr's comments to throw some water on all of the Spurs fans "Stackhouse is a criminal", etc. postings. After all, Kerr is one of their own and actually played in the league, so he MIGHT have some credibility with those folks. I agree we need to accept the suspension and move on.

Anyway, I agree with you that Dallas can still win without Stack. Most of all, I agree that Dirk has been a no-show in this entire series. If he doesn't get his head out of his ass in game 5, this series is over.

[Findog]

Findog,

I just posted Kerr's comments to throw some water on all of the Spurs fans "Stackhouse is a criminal", etc. postings. After all, Kerr is one of their own and actually played in the league, so he MIGHT have some credibility with those folks. I agree we need to accept the suspension and move on.

Anyway, I agree with you that Dallas can still win without Stack. Most of all, I agree that Dirk has been a no-show in this entire series. If he doesn't get his head out of his ass in game 5, this series is over.

My understanding is an F1 is where you try to make a play on the ball but get all body. My understanding of F2 is you're not trying to make a play on the ball but instead are trying to send a guy to the deck. I've seen the replay a million times, it's a tossup as far as I'm concerned. For the NBA Finals I would hope the NBA would err on the side of letting both teams be at full strength. I agree with AJ on how the league is so inconsistent on these things. Anyways, Dallas can't whine about how unfair it is or how the refs are letting the Heat play Rileyball. For karmic reasons, you don't release parade plans when the series hasn't even changed venues. Riley is one of the alltime great villains in the league for taking the Bad Boys style and amping it up with the Knicks, but the owner shouldn't be going on Letterman and calling him out for it while the series is going on, no matter how true it is. They didn't get any help from the refs down the stretch in G3 but they have no one but themselves to blame for not executing and putting the Heat down when they had the chance.

But since this suspension is unfair and you can bet Riley was working the league office behind the scenes, not to mention all of the other karmic sins the key figures on the Heat have committed over the years, maybe the karmic scales will be swinging back to Dallas.

As bad as Miami has been so far to them, a win in G5 totally cancels out the past two games. Miami's not winning two straight in Dallas.

[td4mvp21]

My understanding is an F1 is where you try to make a play on the ball but get all body. My understanding of F2 is you're not trying to make a play on the ball but instead are trying to send a guy to the deck. I've seen the replay a million times, it's a tossup as far as I'm concerned. For the NBA Finals I would hope the NBA would err on the side of letting both teams be at full strength. I agree with AJ on how the league is so inconsistent on these things. Anyways, Dallas can't whine about how unfair it is or how the refs are letting the Heat play Rileyball. For karmic reasons, you don't release parade plans when the series hasn't even changed venues. Riley is one of the alltime great villains in the league for taking the Bad Boys style and amping it up with the Knicks, but the owner shouldn't be going on Letterman and calling him out for it while the series is going on, no matter how true it is. They didn't get any help from the refs down the stretch in G3 but they have no one but themselves to blame for not executing and putting the Heat down when they had the chance.

But since this suspension is unfair and you can bet Riley was working the league office behind the scenes, not to mention all of the other karmic sins the key figures on the Heat have committed over the years, maybe the karmic scales will be swinging back to Dallas.

As bad as Miami has been so far to them, a win in G5 totally cancels out the past two games. Miami's not winning two straight in Dallas.

You could tell Stackhouse didn't even go for the ball. And Riley isn't working the officals. He's not the one who sends in tapes after every game of what the refs did wrong to his team. (Not saying that is working the officials, but that would be more evidence of attempting to do so)

[Findog]

You could tell Stackhouse didn't even go for the ball. And Riley isn't working the officals. He's not the one who sends in tapes after every game of what the refs did wrong to his team. (Not saying that is working the officials, but that would be more evidence of attempting to do so)

Stackhouse was trying to make a play on the ball. Shaq was protecting the ball on his right side and Stackhouse was coming from the left, so Stack had to go through Shaq to get to the ball. Look at the pic provided up thread.

Shaq himself said in the postgame that it was just a hard foul. And when Pat Riley was asked after the game if he thought it should have been a flagrant two he said no. So maybe Jackson never got around to getting quotes from Shaq.

Stu Jackson must hate the Mavs. Just during this postseason he has given Jason Terry more than Reggie Evans. He has given Mbenga more than Antonio Davis. And now he gives Stackhouse a suspension for a foul that he absolutely had to commit. The refs did their job and correctly called it a flagrant one - now leave it alone.

I’m not mad about this because I think it hurts the Mavs greatly. In fact, Stackhouse has been horrible on defense and was 7 for 27 in the last two games. I’m mad because of the way it was administered.

Stu Jackson is ruining the game. Because he has started making everyone so aware of his presence, officials refuse to hand out flagrant twos and eject players unless it’s absolutely obvious. They know Stu Jackson can just go back and change the call if he feels like it. But that creates a huge problem. If a flagrant two had been called at the time of the foul Stackhouse would have been ejected from a blowout, but now he’s out for an entire crucial game five. A retroactive flagrant two is far more severe than one called during the game, but because of Stu Jackson it’s the only kind we see now.

The manner in which suspensions are handed out, and fouls are upgraded is the number one thing wrong with the league right now.

Ridiculous inconsistency. Embarrassing.

[td4mvp21]

Stackhouse was trying to make a play on the ball. Shaq was protecting the ball on his right side and Stackhouse was coming from the left, so Stack had to go through Shaq to get to the ball. Look at the pic provided up thread.

Shaq himself said in the postgame that it was just a hard foul. And when Pat Riley was asked after the game if he thought it should have been a flagrant two he said no. So maybe Jackson never got around to getting quotes from Shaq.

Stu Jackson must hate the Mavs. Just during this postseason he has given Jason Terry more than Reggie Evans. He has given Mbenga more than Antonio Davis. And now he gives Stackhouse a suspension for a foul that he absolutely had to commit. The refs did their job and correctly called it a flagrant one - now leave it alone.

I’m not mad about this because I think it hurts the Mavs greatly. In fact, Stackhouse has been horrible on defense and was 7 for 27 in the last two games. I’m mad because of the way it was administered.

Stu Jackson is ruining the game. Because he has started making everyone so aware of his presence, officials refuse to hand out flagrant twos and eject players unless it’s absolutely obvious. They know Stu Jackson can just go back and change the call if he feels like it. But that creates a huge problem. If a flagrant two had been called at the time of the foul Stackhouse would have been ejected from a blowout, but now he’s out for an entire crucial game five. A retroactive flagrant two is far more severe than one called during the game, but because of Stu Jackson it’s the only kind we see now.

The manner in which suspensions are handed out, and fouls are upgraded is the number one thing wrong with the league right now.

Ridiculous inconsistency. Embarrassing.

Well to me, it looked like Stack was just trying to foul hard, but oh well. But I agree with you, the league office and the refs are way too inconsistent to EVERY team. Its ruining a lot of games. I hate it and I blame Stern for not doing anything to correct it.

[Slinkyman]

Was the foul malicious? No. Was it cheap? No. Can you compare it to Raja Bell's clothesline foul of Kobe Bryant that also warranted a one-game suspension? Not a chance.

I have to disagree with kerr here, the foul was cheap shot no doubt. When i saw it live i figured that stack would be suspended based on what posey and other have done and got suspended for, and it's totally consistant with what the NBA has been doing this year.

Hitting someone in the air like that is dangerous and often results in injury, throwing a mouth piece doesn't result in injury, what Raja Bell did wouldn't likely have caused an injury but hitting someone in the air like Stack did could have very well ended Shaq's season had he landed wrong on his shoulder for example.

[Slinkyman]

Shaq himself said in the postgame that it was just a hard foul. And when Pat Riley was asked after the game if he thought it should have been a flagrant two he said no. So maybe Jackson never got around to getting quotes from Shaq.


Shaq also said he has been hit harder by his daughters, he's just trying to be classy and not be a thug but i guess dallas fans aren't familar with that sort of thing.

[ChumpDumper]

Steve Kerr would've been killed if he was the one hit by Stackhouse.

AJ was one of our own too, and now he's a whiner like the rest of you....

[dieman8686]

Steve Kerr would've been killed if he was the one hit by Stackhouse.

AJ was one of our own too, and now he's a whiner like the rest of you....
Nah, I think his Spur side is coming out...

[ChumpDumper]

Nope AJ never whined in the press til he wasn't a Spur anymore.