Oberto for Bonner ?

[Bruno]

I don't know what it's worth but raps board on realgm report that we will trade Oberto for Bonner today.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=528447

[Horry For 3!]

Interesting

[thispego]

bad idea

[JUUOT]

i love bonner. he has heart and range. good kid

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Oberto did nothing, so any trade for him would help

[strangeweather]

I'm not very familiar with Bonner's game.

6'10, 240 lbs. From a quick glance at his stats, he's primarily a jumpshooter, he's a so-so rebounder (in the same ballpark as Rasho), and can't block.

Anyone know whether he can defend and/or stay with quick forwards?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

I'm not very familiar with Bonner's game.

6'10, 240 lbs. From a quick glance at his stats, he's primarily a jumpshooter, he's a so-so rebounder (in the same ballpark as Rasho), and can't block.

Anyone know whether he can defend and/or stay with quick forwards?



it's a trade for Oberto, ANYTHING will be an upgrade

[strangeweather]

it's a trade for Oberto, ANYTHING will be an upgrade
I don't really disagree. I just want to know what to expect from we're getting back.

If he's the new Sean Marks, so be it.

[thispego]

OBERTO didnt even play much this season, to the casual fan it would seem that oberto sucks, but oberto was instant offensive boards off the bench he can get the tip or rip it down himself

i want to keep oberto and give him heavier minutes next year

ginobili + oberto on the floor = :tu

[Leetonidas]

Going into his third season...I think he's 25 or 26. Solid player, good three point shooter, big frame.

[infinite styles]

I can't remember but didn't Bonner have some great defensive plays against Nowitzki or somebody. Anyways I just want the Spurs to get a long athletic three and a big or two thats quick on their feet.

[Streakyshooter08]

Well, Bonner is a good outside shooter and has good length. Haven't seen him play a lot... I am not sure if it is true though...

[strangeweather]

oberto was instant offensive boards off the bench he can get the tip or rip it down himself
Defensive boards >>> offensive boards. Especially when offensive boards are pretty much a player's only offensive game and he's pulling them in because his defender is off double teaming someone else.

Oberto isn't markedly better than Rasho or Bonner at defensive rebounds.

[Bruno]

I can't remember but didn't Bonner have some great defensive plays against Nowitzki or somebody.

If I remember well, Dirk hit a buzzer beater on him.

[Zarko]

I like the Bonner acquisition if it does come to pass. The guy is tall and can spread the floor, a poor man's horry have you.

He is still young, 26, and he was 12th in the league in 3pt shooting at 42% last year.

Playing him alongside Duncan will give more spacing for all the players on the floor and with the new emphasis on taking the ball to the rim and drawing contact, Bonner will be much more valuable than Oberto.

Plus, imagine the sign possibilities if you go to the game live. I predict many "I have a Bonner" signs after everyone of his three pointers for the Spurs.

Pull the trigger Pop and RC!

[infinite styles]

If I remember well, Dirk hit a buzzer beater on him.

Yeah I remember that part but for like the 3-4 mins before hand he put the locks on Dirk,....besides who hasn't Dirk hit a buzzer beater on?
:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

That would be a great trade. I think that Toronto organization don`t know so much about Oberto if they want to trade him for Bonner.

[MoSpur]

IF this happens, big IF, the Spurs would be able to spread the floor a bit. However, I don't think Bonner will get a lot of minutes along side Tim Duncan.

[MoSpur]

However, the deal will take place only because of the contract. He is a free agent after this year and is only owed around $2 mil this season.

[MoSpur]

Oberto is owed $2.5 this next season and has a player option the following season for another $2.5 mil. I think.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

i live in toronto so i get to see tons of raptor trades and i'm telling you right now. Bonner is better offensively than nazr, rasho, and oberto combined. his D is OK but he can learn. but if someone offered Bonner for oberto i make the trade in a hearteat. Bonner also hustles like a mother fucker. he'd be a great energy guy to have

[Zarko]

IF this happens, big IF, the Spurs would be able to spread the floor a bit. However, I don't think Bonner will get a lot of minutes along side Tim Duncan.

Certainly the Spurs would prefer to play larger, but if the situation merits a smaller lineup (mavs series), expect to see someone like Bonner to man the 4 spot with Duncan sliding to the 5. We didn't have the length or hustle to grab rebounds when we went small. Bonner would add that and we would only have to give up Oberto the bust. I see Bonner's role very similar to Danny Ferry's role back in his stint with the Spurs.

[MoSpur]

Certainly the Spurs would prefer to play larger, but if the situation merits a smaller lineup (mavs series), expect to see someone like Bonner to man the 4 spot with Duncan sliding to the 5. We didn't have the length or hustle to grab rebounds when we went small. Bonner would add that and we would only have to give up Oberto the bust. I see Bonner's role very similar to Danny Ferry's role back in his stint with the Spurs.

Good point. Danny Ferry came in handy against Phoenix.

[FromWayDowntown]

If it comes to pass, it's a deal that gives the Spurs substantially more flexibility in defending long agile players with a long and mobile defender. I don't find Bonner's defense to be one of his strengths right now, but he certainly seems to be a hard worker and Pop and crew have had some success in building defensive principles into players. Bonner is younger than Oberto, he's more athletic, and he does many things that Oberto cannot. If this happens, I'm thinking its a good move; but it shouldn't be anywhere near the last move.

[FromWayDowntown]

Certainly the Spurs would prefer to play larger, but if the situation merits a smaller lineup (mavs series), expect to see someone like Bonner to man the 4 spot with Duncan sliding to the 5. We didn't have the length or hustle to grab rebounds when we went small. Bonner would add that and we would only have to give up Oberto the bust. I see Bonner's role very similar to Danny Ferry's role back in his stint with the Spurs.

Ferry-like seems an absolutely appropriate way to describe Bonner.

[Leetonidas]

Someone over there said Oberto wears a soccer-style headband when he plays...did I miss this? :lol

[MoSpur]

If it happens and Bonner doesn't work out, he is gone after next season.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's not go overboard here. The most he scored last season was 16 points for Pete's sake. He's here for range and mobility. He's no Derrick McKey, but hopefully he could be something like Danny Ferry or regular season Horry.

If this rumor is true, of course...

[Holt's Cat]

To cover the obvious, why would the Raptors move him?

[v2freak]

A tall shooter? Sounds good

[ro_50]

To cover the obvious, why would the Raptors move him?


Maybe because they are thinking about taking 6-11 Andrea Bargnani w/ the first pick.

[Holt's Cat]

When are the Spurs going to get a badmotherfuckerrebounder?

[loveforthegame]

I hope this isn't a joke.

We'd get more in return than I ever thought we would for Oberto alone.

[ducks]

the new gm wants to have his team not the other gms that is why raps do this move

[Bruno]

If this is true, I like this deal a lot.
Bonner can be a decent player (I haven't a lot of expectation) but the better thing is that he has $2M left on his contract while Oberto has $5M left.

[ChumpDumper]

To cover the obvious, why would the Raptors move him?Good question, kind of depends on whom they plan on drafting. Colangelo does have some love for Euro players though, and an outside for inside bigman trade does pass the smell test for them just as the opposite works for us.

[leemajors]

Someone over there said Oberto wears a soccer-style headband when he plays...did I miss this? :lol

it looks like twine in his hair. very similar to the string nash was wearing in his hair a few years back.

[Holt's Cat]

Cool. He's cheap just like Peter.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, we'll have a new VIA schill if nothing else.

[MoSpur]

LOL at the article.

[Holt's Cat]

So you got a 6'10" tall outside shooting bigman with a propensity to hustle. I like the theme but how's the melody?

[strangeweather]

To cover the obvious, why would the Raptors move him?
Both Villanueva and Bosh are true PFs, and as others have mentioned, they may add Bargnani to their collection as well.

[Bruno]

Both Villanueva and Bosh are true PFs, and as others have mentioned, they may add Bargnani to their collection as well.

Don't forget Humphries and rumors concerning Garbajosa.

[Streakyshooter08]

Do you expect any other players to be involved, or even picks? Does Toronto have another 1st round pick besides the 1st overall?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

IF this is even in the realm of possibility, do this trade before Toronto changes their mind.

That would be a significant upgrade.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As to why they'd trade:

Bosh, Charlie, MoPete, and they're staring at Bargnani. Total log jam, and Oberto would be better than any center they have on their team right now (spare me Bosh is the center crap, don't even start).

[loveforthegame]

Do you expect any other players to be involved, or even picks? Does Toronto have another 1st round pick besides the 1st overall?

No other 1st round pick. Only the 35th and 56th picks in the 2nd.

[Streakyshooter08]

So Bonner is supposed to be a PF? He is listed as a C, that is why I am asking. Any chance that he is able to guard Dirk effective?

[Streakyshooter08]

No other 1st round pick. Only the 35th and 56th picks in the 2nd.

Thanks!

[ChumpDumper]

As to why they'd trade:

Bosh, Charlie, MoPete, and they're staring at Bargnani. Total log jam, and Oberto would be better than any center they have on their team right now (spare me Bosh is the center crap, don't even start).True enough. Pape Sow still isn't ready for primetime if they choose to keep him. I think we're going to see alot of Villanueva at the 3.

[ducks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=-boM7AHzZYw&search=matt+bonner+raptors+nba+toronto

[Buddy Holly]

Maybe Rasho is some how involved?

[Streakyshooter08]

Maybe Rasho is some how involved?

Well, I doubt it. Who should we get in return?

[ducks]

the number one draft pick









































lol

[MoSpur]

I doubt the Raptors will take on Rasho's contract. It would be sweet though.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Raps draft big, I doubt they would take Oberto AND Rasho. Oberto makes sense as a short-term solution to the center need. Rasho would be long-term and that probably isn't what they're looking for if they think Bosh or the pick will eventually start at C.

[ducks]

Bobcat just made reference to it on the Fan 590, saying there's news of a Raptors trade going down and he heard Bonner may be 1 of the principles, that's all he said
according to realgm thread

[Streakyshooter08]

Bobcat just made reference to it on the Fan 590, saying there's news of a Raptors trade going down and he heard Bonner may be 1 of the principles, that's all he said
according to realgm thread

Who is "bobcat"?

[MoSpur]

Its still a rumor though, right? I hope it goes down. Oberto wasn't getting playing time here anyway.

[ChumpDumper]

I wouldn't doubt that at all.

I'm waiting for word from Hoopsworld.

[ducks]

Who is "bobcat"?
maybe the guy on the radio :smokin
I do not know I posted what the realgm thread said
I do not live there

[ducks]

Fan says they hope to announce something in 2hrs or so. Thats about as official as weve heard.

[Mr. Body]

Oberto is pretty decent for Toronto. He's better for recently departed Araujo, that's for sure. He's non-athletic, but Bosh makes up for that some. Oberto's a hard worker and a smart veteran, and so gives them something Bonner didn't at the position.

[MoSpur]

Anyway Scola is involved in this trade or anyone else like Beno?

[Mr. Body]

Anyway Scola is involved in this trade or anyone else like Beno?

I certainly hope not.

[MoSpur]

I doubt Oberto would be involved. They are overloaded at the PF position.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

If Scola rights are part of the deal we better get at least their 35 pick and not just Bonner.

(Plus, I feel sorry for Bonner if he comes to SA. Public transport is a joke and the sprawl means a vehicle is necessary. :bike: )

[Spurologist]

Bonner >> Oberto

Time to sign on the dotted line

[Mr. Body]

If Scola rights are part of the deal we better get at least their 35 pick and not just Bonner.

That would make it something like Scola for the #35, which is ridiculous, IMO.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Supposedly the deal is our 2nd rounder this year + Oberto for Bonner. Interesting.

[MoSpur]

Spurs calling a press conference at 5:00

[CharlieMac]

Spurs conference coming up this afternoon........

[Mr. Body]

Supposedly the deal is our 2nd rounder this year + Oberto for Bonner. Interesting.

I was holding out hope to get Bobby Jones with that late pick, which was unlikely, so whatever. I guess it's fine.

So... either the Spurs have a good idea they'll get a pick elsewhere, or aren't picking up any true rookies this year at all.

[Bruno]

I doubt Oberto would be involved. They are overloaded at the PF position.

Oberto is more a center than a PF.

[ChumpDumper]

This draft is so bad , we're just as likely to pick up a contirbutor from summer league as we are the second round.

[picnroll]

Guess we'll be able to go to sleep early draft night.

[MoSpur]

Oberto is more a center than a PF.

Oops. I meant to say I doubt Scola is part of this trade. I think Oberto is the main part of this trade.

[Spurologist]

Supposedly the deal is our 2nd rounder this year + Oberto for Bonner. Interesting.

I'd like to keep the pick. This is a better deal

Stan Kelly + Oberto for Bonner.

[Bruno]

The only edge of a 59th pick is that you cna draft an euro and let him in europe improving his game.
If we want to draft a college guy, he won't likely be drafted because there are only the 60th pick. We can sign him as a FA to a min contract in july.

A 59th pick in this draft sucks because there are very few foreign guys.

[strangeweather]

A 59th pick in this draft sucks because there are very few foreign guys.
And the draft is so thin that they'll get snatched up by other teams, because they're better than the alternative.

Rights to so-so foreign player who might improve > no rights to so-so college player you cut in camp

[MoSpur]

Its Rasho for Eric Williams, Matt Bonner, and 2009 Second Round pick.

[MoSpur]

Sorry Angel.

[clubalien]

If we are trading our secound round pick.. It might mean we will pick up a first round pick from some other team

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Scola at 35th pick isn't ridiculous. Especially in this draft. But that ain't happenning anyway.

I hope we get a pick somewhere else if we did throw in the 2nd rounder.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Well -- We definintely lose on the defensive end -- UNLESS Pop thinks Javtokus can come in and defend like Rasho right away.

[Mr. Body]

Scola at 35th pick isn't ridiculous. Especially in this draft.

Yes, it is. Scola's not worth a lottery pick, as some on these boards may think. But he's certainly worth more than a second rounder.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

:lol I agree with you then, I thought you meant that 35 was too good a pick for him.

[Mr. Body]

:lol I agree with you then, I thought you meant that 35 was too good a pick for him.

Yeah, okay... huh? :lol :spin