Now what?

[dknights411]

Ben's taken. Nazr's gone. Pryz stayed. So what do we do now?

[Mr. Body]

Go with Oberto and Javtokas.

Hopefully there's something there for Scola.

Maybe sign someone like Evans or a Maceo Baston.

[Kori Ellis]

There's tons of big man options listed in this thread.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45311

[JamStone]

Melvin Ely might be a good addition for the Spurs. I'm surprised his name has not been mentioned much in free agency, even though he is restricted.

Reggie Evans might be a good fit at the right price.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Drink heavily.

[Mr. Body]

There's tons of big man options listed in this thread.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45311


There's not actually a lot of big man options in that thread. Most of them are gone by now.

[Spurs9]

Kevin Garnett.
:lol

[SenorSpur]

Set low expectations for next seasons.

[Kori Ellis]

There's not actually a lot of big man options in that thread. Most of them are gone by now.

Read the whole thread not just the first post.

[leemajors]

i say we create a lot of threads saying the same thing in a panicked rush.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Drink heavily.

done! :spin

[JamStone]

David Stern's intent with the salary cap = more player movement = more parity = superstar league

[timvp]

Reggie Evans Or Bust!

[Mr. Body]

Read the whole thread not just the first post.

I did.

[Spurologist]

CIA garbage is the most annoying now because the "big names" suspected of moving to the spurs is gone. R.C/Pop need to get on a mic and start saying something

[Kori Ellis]

I did.

Most of these guys are gone?

Lorenzen Wright
Reggie Evans
Michael Olowokandi
Jamaal Magliore (via trade)
Tyson Chandler (probably gone)
Chris Wilcox (restricted)
Drew Gooden (restricted)
Lonnie Baxter
Melvin Ely (R)
Jackie Butler (R)
Brendan Haywood (T)
Troy Murphy (T)
Marc Jackson
Magic Lamp
Kelvin Cato
Voskuhl
Pollard
Loren Woods
Jarron Collins
Darius Songaila
Francisco Elson
Alan Henderson UFA
Alonzo Mourning UFA
Keith Van Horn
Jamal Sampson

[furry_spurry]

Hey- they traded Rasho and let Nazr walk. That luxury tax money can play center. :lol

[SequSpur]

what is a ufa and scott pollard is available?

[Kori Ellis]

UFA = unrestricted free agent (I was just copying names as they were listed in that thread).

Pollard, yes.

[MaNu4Tres]

[QUOTE] There's tons of big man options listed in this thread.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45311


yea a bunch of washed up big men available....aka candy man..lorenzen wright...scott pollard...ervin johnson...then theres francisco elson reggie evans bo outlaw.....OOO ya a lot more big men available....i rather just stand pat with oberto who looks lost more than half the time out on the court..and go after wells or harrington

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Reggie Evans or Lorenzen Wright would be nice.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How the hell do we get our center now? The only way is put Duncan at center or get Evans, Gooden or Wilcox. Maybe try Wright. Other than that, I don't know.

[MaNu4Tres]

lorenzen wright has no defensive presense inside..(.3 blocks per game)..is a poor free throw shooter

[furry_spurry]

^^Harringotn looks to be headed to Ind or GS- according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Wilcox wants too much $$$

[MaNu4Tres]

id either find a way to trade for magloire....or sign a bo outlaw type francisco elson for the minimum...bring in javtokas and go after wells or harrington with our whole midlevel...then try to package a trade with williams and barry come august 21st

[SequSpur]

we just need someone to pull about 8-10 boards a game play a little d.

No need to break the bank.

The Spurs have to have money to pay everyother game Ginobili.

[yavozerb]

Barry, scola, williams
For
Gooden, gibson (or snow)

[Mr. Body]

Most of these guys are gone?

Lorenzen Wright
Reggie Evans
Michael Olowokandi
Jamaal Magliore (via trade)
Tyson Chandler (probably gone)
Chris Wilcox (restricted)
Drew Gooden (restricted)
Lonnie Baxter
Melvin Ely (R)
Jackie Butler (R)
Brendan Haywood (T)
Troy Murphy (T)
Marc Jackson
Magic Lamp
Kelvin Cato
Voskuhl
Pollard
Loren Woods
Jarron Collins
Darius Songaila
Francisco Elson
Alan Henderson UFA
Alonzo Mourning UFA
Keith Van Horn
Jamal Sampson

Most of these are options? Really?

Seriously?

I mean, are you serious? Keith Van Horn isn't even a big man. Alan Henderson?!

Did you just say Michael Olowokandi?

I think you just said Loren Woods. Amazing.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

lorenzen wright has no defensive presense inside..(.3 blocks per game)..is a poor free throw shooter

...poor free throw shooter...sounds like a Spur to me. :smokin

:spin

[ChumpDumper]

If you only want true centers, say so.

[Kori Ellis]

Most of these are options? Really?

Seriously?

I mean, are you serious? Keith Van Horn isn't even a big man. Alan Henderson?!

Did you just say Michael Olowokandi?

I think you just said Loren Woods. Amazing.

I just was transferring over the list that people made in that thread.

Wright, Pollard, Magloire, Butler, Haywood, Cato, aren't bad options.

Javtokas will probably start by the end of the year anyway.

[SequSpur]

Olowakandi has 15 years left in him. Dude needs to be signed right away.

[boutons_]

I saw this guy play better than Rasho, Nazr, and Pryz in the US vs Argentina FIBA Americas Mens Under18 championship game last Sunday at St Mary's U:

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=1167236

http://www.usabasketball.com/men/2006/06_mu18_trials_hawes.html

Fuck his college degeree!! He's ready for the pro's and $Ms now. :)

[Spurologist]

Most of these guys are gone?

Lorenzen Wright
Reggie Evans
Michael Olowokandi
Jamaal Magliore (via trade)
Tyson Chandler (probably gone)
Chris Wilcox (restricted)
Drew Gooden (restricted)
Lonnie Baxter
Melvin Ely (R)
Jackie Butler (R)
Brendan Haywood (T)
Troy Murphy (T)
Marc Jackson
Magic Lamp
Kelvin Cato
Voskuhl
Pollard
Loren Woods
Jarron Collins
Darius Songaila
Francisco Elson
Alan Henderson UFA
Alonzo Mourning UFA
Keith Van Horn
Jamal Sampson

1. T Murphy
2. R Evans
3. L Wright
4. Chandler
5. Magloire/Haywood

[Mr. Body]

I just was transferring over the list that people made in that thread.

Wright, Pollard, Magloire, Butler, Haywood, Cato, aren't bad options.

Javtokas will probably start by the end of the year anyway.

I didn't mean to be a dick about it. I appreciate the list.

Wright is a good option for a year or so. Probably not that much money and can take a seat once Javtokas gets his sea legs.

Pollard I'm not terribly excited about, but he's a willing fouler and physical.

Butler played well in spot minutes but he's one of 'Isiah's guys' for some reason.

Magloire looks an excellent option. I didn't realize he only makes $8M.

Haywood - I'll have to check his stats. Decent wooden block center.

... You're right, they're none of them bad options.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Olowakandi has 15 years left in him. Dude needs to be signed right away.

:lol

[Kori Ellis]

I didn't mean to be a dick about it. I appreciate the list.

Wright is a good option for a year or so. Probably not that much money and can take a seat once Javtokas gets his sea legs.

Pollard I'm not terribly excited about, but he's a willing fouler and physical.

Butler played well in spot minutes but he's one of 'Isiah's guys' for some reason.

Magloire looks an excellent option. I didn't realize he only makes $8M.

Haywood - I'll have to check his stats. Decent wooden block center.

... You're right, they're none of them bad options.

Bottomline is we don't need a five year solution -- that's probably why Nazr/Przy weren't offered five years. I'm pretty sure the Spurs believe Mahinmi will be here in two. So getting a guy to come in and do his job for 2 years is all they need.

[Mr. Body]

Bottomline is we don't need a five year solution -- that's probably why Nazr/Przy weren't offered five years. I'm pretty sure the Spurs believe Mahinmi will be here in two. So getting a guy to come in and do his job for 2 years is all they need.

The most interesting would be Wright - might be interested in that scenario - and trading for Magloire.

Obviously the most talent is with Magloire.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We have to settle with the leftovers now, but that doesn't mean we have to get a low-life player. There are still some good players out there. Such as:

Drew Gooden
Reggie Evans
Jamaal Magloire
Chris Wilcox
Maybe Lorenzen Wright
Melvin Ely

These aren't the best players at the position, but these guys can fill our needs.

Please put together a reasonable way to get one of these guys.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

Wilcox is a no, dude wants too much cash.

[td4mvp4]

I just was transferring over the list that people made in that thread.

Wright, Pollard, Magloire, Butler, Haywood, Cato, aren't bad options.

Javtokas will probably start by the end of the year anyway.
sorry, but wasn't oberto supposed to be starting at center by the end of last year? maybe you didn't say it, kori, but plenty of other folks did.

[Kori Ellis]

sorry, but wasn't oberto supposed to be starting at center by the end of last year? maybe you didn't say it, kori, but plenty of other folks did.

I never said it, but you are right, many people did.
I think Javtokas looks much better than Oberto though.

But who knows what he'll be in the NBA.

[silk]

Bottomline is we don't need a five year solution -- that's probably why Nazr/Przy weren't offered five years. I'm pretty sure the Spurs believe Mahinmi will be here in two. So getting a guy to come in and do his job for 2 years is all they need.
i also think ian will be there and will be good. For one year or two what is the best solution? we'll still have to deal with the mavs and i'm not sure magloire would help much .

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2003-01/6426141.jpg

Someone had to say it.

[SlovenianGuy]

Spurs don't need anyone. Pop will probably stick to small ball in the next season.

[SequSpur]

Spurs don't need anyone. Pop will probably stick to small ball in the next season.

What? Toronto doesn't have a forum either?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

*sigh*

Tp
Manu
Bowen
Duncan
Javkotas


Bench: Horry, Finley, Stiff, Oberto, whoever else.



That's what we do now. God I hope the Spurs know more about this Javkotas kid than the rest of us do. He better be a sure thing.

[shaggy17]

Ben's taken. Nazr's gone. Pryz stayed. So what do we do now?

Say the great times were fun while they lasted and start preparing for watching for us to exit the playoffs in mid may. :depressed

[SlovenianGuy]

What? Toronto doesn't have a forum either?

I haven't found it yet, but I'm not gonna leave you untill Beno is still here :lol

[Bruno]

Portland has a lot of bigs now : Pryz, Randolph, Aldridge, Lafrentz, Skinner...
=> trade Barry for Skinner.

[SPARKY]

Someone had to say it.


Hmmm....yeah...nah...well, maybe...nah....

[SPARKY]

Portland has a lot of bigs now : Pryz, Randolph, Aldridge, Lafrentz, Skinner...
=> trade Barry for Skinner.

Sold. Use the MLE on Bonzi. Manu back to where he's best coming off the bench.

[spurster]

Perhaps the Spurs need to throw the dice and bring in Scola. The Spurs don't really have to do anything to win 60 or so games, but I don't think any of the above-mentioned options (which are realistic) will cut it in the playoffs. Scola would likely bring another low-post threat with hustle and heart. Make the other team match up to the Spurs rather than the other way around.

[ChumpDumper]

I've been a Skinner homer for awhile. He'd be fine for the committee.

[Kori Ellis]

Perhaps the Spurs need to throw the dice and bring in Scola. The Spurs don't really have to do anything to win 60 or so games, but I don't think any of the above-mentioned options (which are realistic) will cut it in the playoffs. Scola would likely bring another low-post threat with hustle and heart. Make the other team match up to the Spurs rather than the other way around.

The Spurs are pretty clear that they aren't interested in Scola for $4M.

I guess they don't see him as a starter next to Duncan. He would probably play behind Duncan, not next to him.

[timvp]

I've always liked Skinner.

Skinner at this point would be nice.

But yeah he probably makes money which goes against what the Spurs are about.

[silk]

I like skinner. but i like PJ and lj3 more. Now who the heck know what will happen? Spurs can probably do just fine with good coaching chemistry and ttheir big 3

[Slinkyman]

Skinner is a great option, he has 2 years left but next year is a team option.

[Mr. Body]

Arvydas Sabonis! Arvydas Sabonis! Arvydas Sabonis! Arvydas Sabonis! Arvydas Sabonis! Arvydas Sabonis!

[shaggy17]

We lack a long SF,backup pg,another big, other athletic players we could use and were still old outside the big 3. Spurs might as well not even try this year since it wont do any good on us going back to the finals :depressed :depressed :madrun

[Slinkyman]

now what... Give Jeffries a contract offer and hope the wiz don't match. Then try and land a big via trade and sign a 3rd PG and we'd be in good shape. I'm just afraid the spurs are too cheap to throw a good deal at Jeffries.

[spurschick]

:corn: waiting to see what kind of rabbit R.C., Sam and Pop pull out of the hat

[timvp]

:corn: waiting to see what kind of rabbit R.C., Sam and Pop pull out of the hat

Hopefully a 6'8 rabbit with a knack for rebounding . . .

[spurschick]

Hopefully a 6'8 rabbit with a knack for rebounding . . .

That's a big hat. :fro

[mavsfan1000]

Spurs should go after Mike James to backup Parker and Manu. Oberto can start at center or whatever the matchups are.

[Obstructed_View]

Hopefully a 6'8 rabbit with a knack for rebounding . . .
So what's to stop the Spurs from bringing him in?

[timvp]

So what's to stop the Spurs from bringing him in?

That's what I've been trying to figure out. Spurs need a rebounder. He's a top two rebounder in the league.

I couldn't imagine a better fit unless David Robinson's sons are of age yet.

[spurschick]

Nuthin' up ma sleeve... presto! (Head of new center to be photoshopped in at a date TBD)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/bullwinkle.jpg

[Obstructed_View]

That's what I've been trying to figure out. Spurs need a rebounder. He's a top two rebounder in the league.

I couldn't imagine a better fit unless David Robinson's sons are of age yet.
It's looking like plan A is about as fallen through as it gets. Time to develop some talent.

[dknights411]

Say the great times were fun while they lasted and start preparing for watching for us to exit the playoffs in mid may. :depressed

Ok, now I KNOW things aren't THAT bad.

[MI21]

I have a weird feeling that Jamal Magloire is going to end up a Spur. Hopefully.

[shaggy17]

Ok, now I KNOW things aren't THAT bad.
Losing in round 2 is what this team will do unless changes are made. We have holes that need to be filled and we havent done a fucking damn thing about it yet! Options are running low and unless things happen we might as well start talking about our chance for the 2007-2008 season.

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs have two years worth of draft picks that aren't even accounted for yet. Not being overly active during free agency may have been by design.

[mardigan]

What about a trade to Portland for Zack Randolph or D Miles?

[Slinkyman]

I have a weird feeling that Jamal Magloire is going to end up a Spur. Hopefully.

Magloire would be great, he put up 9/9 and a block a game last year. Better then what we'd get from Nazr.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

isn't Zach Randolph's contract HUGE?

[Obstructed_View]

What about a trade to Portland for Zack Randolph or D Miles?
Vomit X 2

[mardigan]

Randolph does have a big contract, so I dont know how that would work, but if we could somehow turn D Miles into a hungry player, he would be a great fit. I read that the Blazers are desperately trying to unload them both

[Taking it to the Hole]

Man, we are so screwed right now. Well, at least we have money. Idle money, but still money.

[dknights411]

Losing in round 2 is what this team will do unless changes are made. We have holes that need to be filled and we havent done a fucking damn thing about it yet! Options are running low and unless things happen we might as well start talking about our chance for the 2007-2008 season.

Considering that we almost made it to round 3 this year (via smallball no less), I'm not entirely sold that we're fucked next year if we can't aquire anyone. Yeah, we'll be at a disadvantage, but this team has overcome obsticles before.

In any case, there has to be something brewing in the Spurs front office anyway. They always pull through, so I'm not worried.

[timvp]

Don't worry, if the Spurs pocket all the money they've saved this summer they won't be empty handed. I heard Salary Cap is a rather good rebounder.

http://images.cafepress.com/product/18182335_240x240_F.jpg

[spurschick]

http://images.cafepress.com/product/18182335_240x240_F.jpg

Sweet.

[SPARKY]

Don't worry, if the Spurs pocket all the money they've saved this summer they won't be empty handed. I heard Salary Cap is a rather good rebounder.

http://images.cafepress.com/product/18182335_240x240_F.jpg

Finally, a way for Spurs fans to represent their favorite player.

:lol

Can he defend Dirk too?

[dknights411]

Don't worry, if the Spurs pocket all the money they've saved this summer they won't be empty handed. I heard Salary Cap is a rather good rebounder.

http://images.cafepress.com/product/18182335_240x240_F.jpg

I should wear that to the home opener! :lol

[zeleni]

Scola, Oberto and Javtokas for next season!¨

CIA

[timvp]

Finally, a way for Spurs fans to represent their favorite player.

:lol

Can he defend Dirk too?

Cap's defense has been compared to that of Udonis Haslem.

Good Times. ©

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

that cap should become the new Spurs mascot

:smokin

[AMOS7]

Go with Oberto and Javtokas.

Hopefully there's something there for Scola.

Maybe sign someone like Evans or a Maceo Baston.

Javtokas and Oberto won't win them the title.

Lorenzen Wright, Reggie Evans, or Dan Gadzuric/Magloire are all realistic options with Oberto and Javtokas off the bench, and even then I doubt that rotation is deep enough to win them a trip to the finals.

I have a feeling Javtokas will be a bust.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

we have no fukcin center, great

[strangeweather]

if we could somehow turn D Miles into a hungry player, he would be a great fit.
What, you mean by trading him for someone else?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

the big men in the NBA on the market suck


Wilcox is NOT going to be a Spurs so let's forget about that dream




Scola AND Javatokas both need to come in order for the Spurs to have any sort of resemblance of a frontline


Duncan must be thinking he needs to grab 15rbs a game next season in order for the Spurs to even stay in the rb game anymore

[shaggy17]

^^^Yep as I have been saying (unless changes happen) lets forget this season and start preparing for the 2007-2008 season. Our front office failed us this summer but lets see if they can redeem themselves next summer :depressed :depressed :madrun :pctoss

[Buddy Holly]

^^^Yep as I have been saying (unless changes happen) lets forget this season and start preparing for the 2007-2008 season. Our front office failed us this summer but lets see if they can redeem themselves next summer :depressed :depressed :madrun :pctoss

Then bye. See you next summer.

I expect not to see you post here again. Ok?

[shaggy17]

^^ Oh I will be posting here still :lol . I am just not optimistic with how our front office keeps holding back and ruining opportunities. They feel content and are just standing pat which is starting to really piss me off!!

[Buddy Holly]

^^ Oh I will be posting here still :lol . I am just not optimistic with how our front office keeps holding back and ruining opportunities.

WTF?

Pizzbilla, Nazr?

Those are opportunities? :lol


They feel content and are just standing pat which is starting to really piss me off!!

How in the fuck do you know this?

Are you conversing with Pop and RC and Sam on a daily basis?

[shaggy17]

How in the fuck do you know this?

Are you conversing with Pop and RC and Sam on a daily basis?



:rolleyes Just look at all these pieces floating away from us. If they start doing some fucking moves soon then I will eat crow but dont even bother serving it since their passing up anything and everything :madrun

[Buddy Holly]

:rolleyes Just look at all these pieces floating away from us.

What pieces?

Speedy? He wanted way more than we would or should ever pay him.

Who else?


If they start doing some fucking moves soon then I will eat crow but dont even bother serving it since their passing up anything and everything :madrun

How do you passing stuff up?

Did Speedy come to them and say: "Hey, I want to be there, give me anything and I'll sign." The the Spurs said no, we'll pass on you.

Did Wallace call Pop and beg him to pick him but Pop said no because he wants to [iss Shaggy17 off.

Goddamn, how old are you?

[TDMVPDPOY]

sign javtokas + scola for this season, it will work out imo.

starters javtokas/td/bowen/gino/tp

frontline rotation, td usually plays for 8mins in first quarter, we can put in scola, then when javtokas gets tired, we either sub in orbeto or duncan, then switch scola with javtokas when his tired or just put in horry. not many bigs in the west anyway that we should be worryin about anyway.

next year is where our frontline is stacked, ian comes over and we mite draft sum big fella or long 3.

[callo1]

Out of all the names listed there, I would'nt mind seeing Francisco Elson in the silver and black. The guy is still very raw, but would probably be cheap, and he has the most upside for the $$. Hell, I wouldn't mind having a person like Adonal Foyle even (he is under contract) for his shot blocking.....the barrel is getting thin:(

[Doc Jerome]

Well, well, well. No center, no back-up point guard, and no young or long athletic 3. I have a feeling that Ian will be here sooner rather than later, if he shows anything in summerleague. If things continue the way they are, the only logical option is to bring the kid in and let him earn his stripes the hard way. The Spurs will have nothing to lose by brining Ian in instead of the marginal scrubs currently available.

If he needs to work on his game, he may as well get in the NBA. As it stands now, he will get sufficient minutes on the currently constituted Spurs team, and because there are 82 games instead of (?) however many in euroleague, it is only natural that he will get better by learning NBA style basketball. Hell, just give him a few iso's during games to work on his offense. He already is what Spurs need, and his attributes are exactly what the team is looking for now:

1. Youth
2. Athleticism
3. Rebounding
4. Defense

Why the talk about him needing time to develop? Develope what? Offense? If Spurs wanted offense, they would bring in Scola. He is already young and freakishly athletic. U can't teach that. He can already run the floor and jump out of the gym. What the f*&# are they going to teach him? How to jump higher? Oh I know; how to be younger.

Give the kid NBA experience. It didn't hurt KG, Kobe, or Lebron. If they truly believe that this kid will be a stud, it's time to get it crackin'. Later for the bone plates closing and stuff like that. Bring him along slowly at first and by mid-season put him through the "burning sands". This kid is going to respond positively if he is all that.

Again, as currently constituted and if no other moves will be made, the best option is bringing Ian over now. But, stay tuned.





:fro

[Brutalis]

Guys, we need to face the facts.

We're screwed unless we come up with some magical trade.

[diego]

i think at this point our only options are mahinmi and scola. scola obviously isnt a need, but if we cant get anyone else we might as well gamble. maybe if we convince him to take a two year offer so we can get the buyout out of the way, and if things dont pan out we can trade him the next year (expiring contract + potential should have some value). that MLE has to be used somehow.

[Buddy Holly]

Guys, we need to face the facts.

We're screwed unless we come up with some magical trade.

You can join Shaggy and TPark in the quitters line.

[MaNu4Tres]

the only realistic trade that would be beneficial for us and that makes sense for both teams...and contracts that do MATCH...is barry for gadzuric

[mardigan]

Fuck all of this shit talk about the Spurs. Nobody knew about Parker or Ginobili before we got them, so how the fuck do you know what Javtokas is capable of? You dont, so stop with the we really needed Joel, and lets wait and see what the Lithuanian kid can do. Spurs fans dont jump ship, so these shit talkers arent Spurs fans obvoiusly

[ChumpDumper]

the only realistic trade that would be beneficial for us and that makes sense for both teams...and contracts that do MATCH...is barry for gadzuricYes there is only one trade in the entire NBA that makes sense for the Spurs.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs dont need need to use their midlevel for any of the remainin big men cuz they can already get equal production from what they have now( horry duncan bonner oberto javtokas)....the remanin free agent bigs are really weak...tradin barry fora big and still havin our midlevel to sign a wing would be a lot more beneficial

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs dont need need to use their midlevel for any of the remainin big men cuz they can already get equal production from what they have now( horry duncan bonner oberto javtokas)....the remanin free agent bigs are really weak...tradin barry fora big and still havin our midlevel to sign a wing would be a lot more beneficial

So you think Gadzuric is worth the money he's being paid.

He has approximately a MLE deal for the next five years. To me, a guy who fouls so much that he won't be able to play more than 25 minutes isn't worth that.

[MaNu4Tres]

come up with another trade scenario ..that isnt biased that would make sense..CHumpDumper..please...


and the reason i say it makes sense is villanueva and boguts contract's will come up and bucks will need to get rid of gadzurics contract eventually....bucks need a shootin guard or a guard since they only have 3 on their current roster...and barrys contract not only Matches gadzurics but comes off the books in 2 years givin space to sign bogut and villanueva to extenstions...

[MaNu4Tres]

I think takin on gadzuric's contract is better than signin jarron collins lorenzen wrigt..michael olokandi or reggie evans with the midlevel...yes

[Kori Ellis]

I think takin on gadzuric's contract is better than signin jarron collins lorenzen wrigt..michael olokandi or reggie evans with the midlevel...yes

To sign those players, you wouldn't use the whole mid-level. Lorenzen Wright is expecting to get 1/2 what he was paid last year. Reggie Evans market value is probably around 2M.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think people already did come up with a better deal... trading for Magloire. Try reading.

[MaNu4Tres]

Whats the difference in offering przybilla a 4 year 24 million dollar deal than takin on gadzuric's contract...one year??? and dont say spurs are tryin to save cap space for mahimni..or other foreigners overseas..mahimni..( there most desired player overseas) will get his 28th 1st round rookie contract which will be cheap..)that will be for 2 years and 2 years being spurs option...if i am correct....

i would rather spurs try to trade barry for a big and go after a wing and sign javtokas with the MLE ...than anything else

[Buddy Holly]

Barry, Oberto, Scola for Troy Murphy.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i say, we should use the mle on javtokas + scola, if things dont work out, trade! its more feasible and easy to trade the player since there contracts are small.

[milkyway21]

what is Tyson Chandler's current status?

why is he's listed as "probably gone?"

i am not actually disappointed we didnt get Pryz or Big Ben or the Spurs for letting Nazr walk. But I've been following Chandler's game and I really like him to play with the Spurs-he's a scorer and a solid post player.

i like Darious Songalia too. If he doen't fit with this team then let him walk next summer when Mahimi comes.

[Kori Ellis]

Whats the difference in offering przybilla a 4 year 24 million dollar deal than takin on gadzuric's contract...one year???

Przybilla is better than Gadzuric. Gadzuric will foul out.

[ChumpDumper]

and the reason i say it makes sense is villanueva and boguts contract's will come up and bucks will need to get rid of gadzurics contract eventually.Not really, they only have two other guys under contract.

It's a halfway plausible trade, but there's no real reason for the Bucks to do it now.

Maybe if Redd went down with an injury.

[Kori Ellis]

what is Tyson Chandler's current status?

why is he's listed as "probably gone?"


Chicago is likely trading him to the Hornets.

[Quadzilla99]

I wouldn't mind seeing Gadzuric here. Gadzuric's problem is he's so skinny he gets knocked around in the paint but he has pretty good athleticism. He's not a Center with his build but he could play some power forward. Decent player.

[milkyway21]

Chicago is likely trading him to the Hornets.oh noooo!!!! :depressed

[MaNu4Tres]

i know u wouldnt use the whole midlevel but most of it ...yes....spurs already have 12 roster spots with javtokas..so signing one free agent that CAN make an IMPACT (bonzi wells)...would make us a better team and to get reggie evans they would have to offer close to the full...nuggets offered around 2.75...and all the other FA bigs are TRASH and would be a waste of a MLE and waste of an offseason

[Kori Ellis]

I wouldn't mind seeing Gadzuric here. Gadzuric's problem is he's so skinny he gets knocked around in the paint but he has pretty good athleticism. He's not a Center with his build but he could play some power forward. Decent player.

You'd want him for over 5M a year for the next five years?

[Buddy Holly]

No one likes my Barry, Oberto, Scola's rights for Troy Murphy.

[Kori Ellis]

No one likes my Barry, Oberto, Scola's rights for Troy Murphy.

Everyone likes it but Golden State:)

[Buddy Holly]

Everyone likes it but Golden State:)

They get cap relief for next year and one of the best Euro's around.

What's not to like?

[TDMVPDPOY]

without havin a center, this gives us a legitimate reason to tank season :D

[MaNu4Tres]

lol MEMO to kori ellis:

in 04-05....when gadzuric saw the floor consistantly.and got 22 minutes a game..he avg. 6 fouls per 48 minutes..

to pryzbilla's 6.2 fouls per 48 minutes..

maybe gadzuric was just too happy to see PT last year with the addition of bogut and magloire

[Kori Ellis]

I have watched Gadzuric all through college and in the pros. He has a really, really hard time trying to defend and not foul. When he's not fouling, that means he's not defending. This season he got about 2.5 fouls in 12 mpg. There's a reason why he only gets so much playing time. To me, he's not worth 5M/year to the Spurs, especially for such a long contract.

You can like him if you want, but I don't think he's worth the money.

[Quadzilla99]

You'd want him for over 5M a year for the next five years?

Five years? Uh...no 1-2 would have been ok, but 5? No Dice.

[MaNu4Tres]

Who doesn't have a hard time fouling tryin to defend this day in the nba?

[Kori Ellis]

Who doesn't have a hard time fouling tryin to defend this day in the nba?

A good defender that is worth 5M a year.

Go watch some UCLA or Bucks tape and you'll see what I mean. He has to either let the person blow by him ... or foul them. He doesn't defend.

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation.

I think the Spurs will trade for someone with one or two years on their contract, not five (unless it's really a good player).

[Buddy Holly]

.

[MaNu4Tres]

What Centers are available with 1 or 2 years left...and does that team need a shootin guard named brent barry...when u have a realistic answer....please post

[Kori Ellis]

What Centers are available with 1 or 2 years left...and does that team need a shootin guard named brent barry...when u have a realistic answer....please post

I didn't say I think they'll trade for a center. They'll probably just pick up one of the cheap free agent bigs that are left and platoon them along with Javtokas.

[MaNu4Tres]

the way I look at it...brent barry is our only trade bait...along with everyones infatuation of " scola's rights"...and MAAYBE...williams come august 21st

[Kori Ellis]

the way I look at it...brent barry is our only trade bait...along with everyones infatuation of " scola's rights"...and MAAYBE...williams come august 21st

And Oberto, Finley, Horry for the right deal.

[MaNu4Tres]

gettin a big along side javtokas ..with our midlevel would be a waste of an offfseason midlevel exception....id rather go use our valuable midlevel exception..to sign someone that can make an impact a guy on a roster cant already make....aka jarred jeffries ...bonzi wells...rasual butler

[Kori Ellis]

gettin a big along side javtokas ..with our midlevel would be a waste of an offfseason midlevel exception....id rather go use our valuable midlevel exception..to sign someone that can make an impact a guy on a roster cant already make....aka jarred jeffries ...bonzi wells...rasual butler

Yeah they might try to get one of those guys (Jarred or Bonzi) but I don't think that's enough money. Then they'll probably split the MLE and settle for 2 cheaper players.

[MaNu4Tres]

no one wants oberto

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I wouldn't give up Finley unless you're getting something really good in return.

He's one hell of a security blanket to have off the bench.

[strangeweather]

They get cap relief for next year and one of the best Euro's around.

What's not to like?
It's conceivable that a deal for Murphy built around Williams's expiring contract might work. The rest of the pieces would depend on what, if anything, we have that Golden State would want -- Scola, Barry, Beno, Oberto, picks, whatever.

It's not that likely -- surely another team could offer more -- but if there's any chance, we might as well take it. He's far better than anyone else out there.

[Kori Ellis]

no one wants oberto

Cleveland likes him. No one would trade for him straight up, but he could be worked in a package.

I'm up for them trading anyone on the Spurs other than Tim, Manu, Tony or Bruce.

I think for the right player, Horry or Finley are easily gone.

That being said, I don't expect any big trade. The Spurs seem okay with just grabbing someone like Jarron Collins, filling out the roster with scrubs and calling it a summer.

[MaNu4Tres]

if ur right and they settle for 2 cheap players their names need to be reggie evans and rasual butler/jumaine jones/ or derMarr johnson....everything else out there would really be a waste

[MaNu4Tres]

if spurs just grab a jarron collins...spurs would not be improving...thats for sure...therefore be a waste of an offseason

[Big P]

I doubt the FO would do Finley or Horry like that..just trade them outright, without them wanting to be traded...that would be a horrible PR move...that would give players one more reason not to come to SA...besides, Finley's making $2.5 mil or so..thats not going to get you that much in a trade...& we couldn't replace what Finley does for us with $2.5

[Buddy Holly]

As long as you have Tim, Tony, and Manu as your core, you''re good-to-fucking-go.

[Leetonidas]

The Spurs don't need some amazing center guys. We need one cheap center to, like Kori said, platoon the middle with Robertas. I think the Spurs will go after either Jeffries or a backup PG with the MLE. We have a pretty damn good team already.

[Solid D]

http://images.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/IMG/IMG008/116882H.jpg

Musical Chairs and they' ain't many mo chairs!

[ShoogarBear]

If the Spurs really want to go Small Ball, they should go after Reggie Bush.

[horrorshow]

at this point I would stick with what we have and bring in Ian.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Could the Spurs possibly change their minds on Mahimi if we are desperate enough and he looks good in summer league?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I love it how we're 4 months from the start of the season but we're already "screwed". :rolleyes

Gimme a break!

There are a lot of 3rd PGs out there for cheap so I'm not even worried about that.

Williams gives us a year to work on finding a young 3, and in the meantime, guess what, HE IS A LONG 3 (6'9") WHO CAN PLAY D!

We need another big man but all he has to do is fill a gap, block some shots and rebound. Evans/Elson/Cato/Gadzuric/Magloire can all do that and will cost variously from 2-8mil, so we have plenty of options there.

Seriously, to the kids out there all :madrun :madrun :madrun , give the front office a chance to sort it will ya?!

When have they let us down in the past??????????????

[boutons_]

I don't think we are screwed, but Spurs front line is still insanely weak.

Tim, contract
Fabricio, contract
Bonner, contract (my omission)

Robertas, supposedly going to sign, the that egg isn't hatched, yet.

then.... nada

PF and C are 96 minutes/game. We need at least 4 bigs, preferably 5 for injury help.

Yes, Robert Horry is finished, imo. I expect as much from him next season as we saw last season, essentially nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

Horry and Bonner have ceased to exist.

[bigfan]

Duncan
Parker
Javtokas
Manu
Bowen

Scola
Beno
Oberto
Finley
Barry

Marks
Bonner
Williams

[Leetonidas]

Duncan
Parker
Javtokas
Manu
Bowen

Scola
Beno
Oberto
Finley
Barry

Marks
Bonner
Williams

For the umpteenth time, SCOLA IS NOT COMING.

[Leetonidas]

Could the Spurs possibly change their minds on Mahimi if we are desperate enough and he looks good in summer league?

It could happen, but it's very unlikely since he signed a 1 year deal over there.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

It could happen, but it's very unlikely since he signed a 1 year deal over there.

Thanks, I was wondering if he was under contract or not overseas

[spurschick]

Duncan
Parker
Javtokas
Manu
Bowen

Scola
Beno
Oberto
Finley
Barry

Marks
Bonner
Williams

Marks is a free agent.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dont really think we need a big guy down low, doesnt rob sumtimes play center?

[dbestpro]

Olawakandi can be signed for the veteran minimum. Pops might be able to get this guy's game back. If nothing else he is big. If he can't hack it then cut him. It's worth a shot.

[Quadzilla99]

dont really think we need a big guy down low, doesnt rob sumtimes play center?

Rob plays PF. When he comes in Duncan or whoever plays C.

[shaggy17]

Cleveland likes him. No one would trade for him straight up, but he could be worked in a package.

I'm up for them trading anyone on the Spurs other than Tim, Manu, Tony or Bruce.

I think for the right player, Horry or Finley are easily gone.

That being said, I don't expect any big trade. The Spurs seem okay with just grabbing someone like Jarron Collins, filling out the roster with scrubs and calling it a summer.

If we do that Kori we might as well start talking about the 2007-2008 season then. If we dont get the right guys this team might as well not even play this year cuz they will be going on vacation in May.

[dbestpro]

Maybe we should try and get Foster from Indiana and Najera from Denver. That would at least give us the all hustle team.

[Solid D]

Now what?

Look forward to next year's 2nd round pick from the Bucks!!!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yeah shaggy, we got it, you are a pessimist.

What you say, of course, is absolute bollocks! Two of the big 3 had an off-year last season, and from nowhere Miami swooped in and won the title even after looking fragile in the first round of the playoffs.

Yeah, sure, we should just give up now. Do you understand how stupid that sounds given that we have over 7 months to the trade deadline and most of a season to play before we even get there??? :rolleyes

[shaggy17]

Yeah shaggy, we got it, you are a pessimist.

What you say, of course, is absolute bollocks! Two of the big 3 had an off-year last season, and from nowhere Miami swooped in and won the title even after looking fragile in the first round of the playoffs.

Yeah, sure, we should just give up now. Do you understand how stupid that sounds given that we have over 7 months to the trade deadline and most of a season to play before we even get there??? :rolleyes

:rolleyes Stop acting like I am the only one who is pissed off at our front office. Make a move then I will start to feel confident but if we dont get our needs we will not be playing ball in June 2007 :rolleyes . Stop blocking out fucking realistic situations here.

[40 inch vertical]

Javtokas and Oberto won't win them the title.

Lorenzen Wright, Reggie Evans, or Dan Gadzuric/Magloire are all realistic options with Oberto and Javtokas off the bench, and even then I doubt that rotation is deep enough to win them a trip to the finals.

I have a feeling Javtokas will be a bust.

Strange, I have the opposite feeling. I've been following Robertas Javtokas' story for a long time, ever since his motorcycle accident. I watched the olympics specifically to see the progress he made and in the game against the US team, he looked really good to me on defense. I think he had four blocks in that game, including one on a stunned Tim Duncan who thought (wrongly) that he could just shoot over Javtokas. I'm not sure, but I think he may have even blocked Tim a second time though I don't think it showed up in the box scores.

I think his athletic ability is going to shine in this venue, more than it does in the Euro game. He's a powerful and quick jumper. Offensively, I believe his best days are ahead of him. With the individual training he can receive over here, I think he may surprise us over the years with his ability. Tony's improving his offensive game, why can't Robertas improve his dramatically?

And the guy has heart and determination and I wouldn't be betting against him. The guy has overcome serious obstacles to get where he is and part of that has to be from hard work and a strong will that will not accept failure. My main concern is that the refs may not let him stay on the court very long as a first year player. Other than that, I say prepare to be pleasantly surprised.

[gospursgojas]

You guys know I hate reading through a 7 page thread, so forgive me if you have discussed already.....

But, I've been saying for years that I would like to get Magloire on our team

[dknights411]

You guys know I hate reading through a 7 page thread, so forgive me if you have discussed already.....

But, I've been saying for years that I would like to get Magloire on our team

Barry and Oberto for Magloire is doable I guess.

[Jayem]

I'm not supposed to say this, so mods please do not reveal my IP.

Javtokas WILL join the Spurs.

The only reason I am confirming this to you guys is because I'm an avid reader of this forum and the endless threads about this subject are killing me. Hopefully you guys can talk about something else now.

[ChumpDumper]

Thank you, mysterious stranger.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I'm not supposed to say this, so mods please do not reveal my IP.

Javtokas WILL join the Spurs.

The only reason I am confirming this to you guys is because I'm an avid reader of this forum and the endless threads about this subject are killing me. Hopefully you guys can talk about something else now.

this is old news mate

we dont know how much though, will there be enough ;eft over to attract a scrub to join the team

[E20]

Spurs aren't getting anybody........

No Nazr
No Rasho
No Ben
No Pryz
No Speedy
No ?????

C-Duncan
PF-Horry/Javtokas/Bonner/Oberto
SF-Bowen
SG-Ginobili
PG-Parker

PG-Udrih
SG-Finley
SG-Barry
PF/C-Horry/Oberto/Javtokas/Bonner/Marks

That doesn't look to deep of a roster......................................

[TDMVPDPOY]

Spurs aren't getting anybody........

No Nazr
No Rasho
No Ben
No Pryz
No Speedy
No ?????

C-Duncan
PF-Horry/Javtokas/Bonner/Oberto
SF-Bowen
SG-Ginobili
PG-Parker

PG-Udrih
SG-Finley
SG-Barry
PF/C-Horry/Oberto/Javtokas/Bonner/Marks

That doesn't look to deep of a roster......................................


u forgot williams :)

[E20]

Point is this offseason looks like it's gonna suck.

[MaNu4Tres]

I still say this offseason isnt anywhere close to being over..there are REALISTIC options we can make to IMPROVE.....yes spurs can go out and sign a cheap big and call it a summer but it wont make the spurs improve one bit....to improve i say spurs should go after jeffries or wells for the whole midlevel....sign a point guard for the minimum...(jaque vaughn)...then use barry and scola's rights to bring in a center...( dan gadzuric)...but when i say trade barry....we need to be realistic about his value...theres no way teams would trade magloire or dalembert or tyson chandler over here for barry/ oberto and scola's rights

[MaNu4Tres]

Parker
Manu
Bowen
Tim
Gadzuric

Beno
Finley
Wells
Horry/Bonner/ Oberto
JAvtokas

[Kori Ellis]

Wells is looking for around 8M, not the MLE.

[MaNu4Tres]

well with hornets and hawks bulls using their cap space...wells wont get 8 million but he can get 6 mil wit the spurs and win back to back titles :)

[ca®lo]

Olawakandi can be signed for the veteran minimum. Pops might be able to get this guy's game back. If nothing else he is big. If he can't hack it then cut him. It's worth a shot.

he HAD a game? :lol

[Kori Ellis]

well with hornets and hawks bulls using their cap space...wells wont get 8 million but he can get 6 mil wit the spurs and win back to back titles :)

The Hawks have tons of capspace. They had over 18M and they only signed Speedy.

I understand Bonzi is contemplating offers from six teams already.

[Leetonidas]

Donta Smith is available...

[MaNu4Tres]

lol hawks have childress josh smith ...just signed joe johnson to huge contract last year....and have marvin williams...all at the 3 and 2....BONZI's position....pistons..who were rumored to be in the bonzi' sweeptakes..one of the frontrunners may i add**....could only offer the midlevel...so obviously its somewhat realistic....hawks wouldnt go after bonzi and they are pretty much the only team to "show bonzi the money"

[Kori Ellis]

All I'm saying is that 5.4M is probably not going to cut it for Bonzi. He wants to get paid. You said that the Hawks don't have cap space. You are the one that brought them up. I'm just pointing out that they do.

Bonzi will probably stay in Sac or go to the Pacers in a sign-and-trade.

Supposedly Charlotte has interest in him too. And they have cap space as well.

I guess the Spurs should give it a try. It won't hurt to try to get one of these FA's.

[MaNu4Tres]

im jus sayin if spurs want to improve...thats what they can do.....standin pat and signin a trash big man wont improve our team one freakin bit....our veterans will jus be a year older....a year more of wear and tear on the body....if spurs wanna be on top they need to use our midlevel to improve ....not stand pat

[TDMVPDPOY]

5.4mill in texas > 7.5-5mill in watever state that has income taxes

what are the costs of livin standards etc....??

[MaNu4Tres]

spurs dont need to stand pat ....and sign a trash center for 2 million....and wait to see what the future holds....the FUTURE is now......tim is gettin ready to be 31...manu is goin to be 30.....we need to make moves to WIN NOW....if that means tradin for a center that makes 5 million( league avg.).for 20 years..then im all for it....if it means we improve to go on to win our 3rd title in 5 years and perhaps 4 in 6...

[MaNu4Tres]

after these next 3 years....we wont see another time we have 3 bonified stars on the same team playin in their prime....so im all for anything that will improve the team

[shaggy17]

spurs dont need to stand pat ....and sign a trash center for 2 million....and wait for the future of the team..Now is the time to WIN RINGS......tim is gettin ready to be 31...manu is goin to be 30.....we need to make moves to WIN NOW....if that means tradin for a center that makes 5 million( league avg.).for 20 years..then im all for it....if it means we improve to go on to win our 3rd title in 5 years and perhaps 4 in 6...

Amen but sadly our front office doesnt give a shit!
:depressed :madrun I hope I am wrong on this but this offseason has been fucking pathetic and I am growing less confidence in them as the days pass by. Well at least I got to watch them win 3 titles and (maybe if they fucking do something!!) I might be alive to watch them win their 4th. Oh well .......

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about sign n trade for this center from the hawks, here is his profile on hoopshype

John Edwards currently earnin 1,080,000
http://www.hoopshype.com/players/john_edwards.jpg
Very good size... Very unproven... Has done nothing remarkable in college or the NBA.

so if a scrub like him can earn 1mill, why waste money on scrub centers in league to fill our need, why not just save it or spend it scola or sumcrap, look for a long 3 or is Williams filling that spot for this year only and we look next draft for 2 positions that needs to be filled.

[Quadzilla99]

how about sign n trade for this center from the hawks, here is his profile on hoopshype

John Edwards currently earnin 1,080,000
http://www.hoopshype.com/players/john_edwards.jpg
Very good size... Very unproven... Has done nothing remarkable in college or the NBA.

so if a scrub like him can earn 1mill, why waste money on scrub centers in league to fill our need, why not just save it or spend it scola or sumcrap, look for a long 3 or is Williams filling that spot for this year only and we look next draft for 2 positions that needs to be filled.

God I wish I was 7 feet tall.

[MaNu4Tres]

we shouldnt waste our midlevel on a trash big...ive beat the horse to death...i say we use the midlevel and offer bonzi or jeffries 5 year deals worth 30 million...sign pg jacque vaugn to the vet minimum...and bring along javtokas...call it a summer..and get another center via a trade with barry and " scola's rights"

[TDMVPDPOY]

God I wish I was 7 feet tall.

damn i wish i was 7'3
Ha Seung-Jin 06/07 744,551
Koreahttp://www.hoopshype.com/players/ha_seung_jin.jpg
Position: C
Born: 8/04/85
Height: 7-3 / 2,21
Weight: 305 lbs. / 138,4 kg.
From: South

Extremely big... A lot of potential... Hasn't played much basketball... Has never faced serious competition... Won't be ready to contribute in the near future.

i trade beno or sum scrub for this guy just to fill center space, even though his crap, give us HA HA HA HA NOW

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Shaggy said: "Amen but sadly our front office doesnt give a shit! "

See, this is where you get ridiculous and inflamatory. The front office of the best franchise in all pro-sports in the last 8 yrs doesn't give a shit. Mmmmm, okay, that makes so much sense. :madrun

Of course they give a shit, but you know what, they are being smart.

They are NOT rushing to throw money at very average players in a down FA yr.
They are NOT throwing money at fragile players.
They are NOT making changes for the sake of changes.
They are NOT hamstringing our cap for next year when there are some guys out there we might really want.

Really, all we need right now is a serviceable big man and we will contend again, and if the team isn't firing by January there will be some movement, I'm sure.

Parker - Beno - ?
Manu - Finley - Barry
Bowen - Williams - (Barry)
Duncan - Bonner - Horry
? - Javtokas - Oberto

Hell, put Kelvin Cato and any of a number of 3rd PGs in there and I think we contend again without blowing the cap or wasting our money on average players with a history of fragility.

Trade Barry/Scola's rights for an upgrade or two and we look pretty strong.

I have a feeling both Beno and Javtokas will surprise this year, and Williams will be a very pleasant surprise for anyone who doesn't remember how good he was for Jersey before the VC trade.

And then you have to remember it's July fer christsake! Moves will be made, have some patience.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The problem with some fans during silly season (ie. now) is that they crave INSTANT GRATIFICATION over LONG-TERM STRATEGY.

Actually, that's one of the major problems with the world in general.

Memo to all those panicking right now - SUCK IT UP AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE. If the moves (or lack of moves) we make is disappointing at a later date, have a whinge and I'll join in, but pretending that our front office is clueless and careless is simply insulting to anyone with a grain of intelligence, and certainly to RC and Sam who've done a pretty decent job up to this point, haven't they?

OTOH, if they don't spend for purely financial reasons as timvp has alleged they may not, we should all protest. But the time for deciding on that is not now, it is later.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the only solution now for the spurs management to do is debit my bank account the MLE hahhahaha

[MaNu4Tres]

ya lets save our money and cap space so when tim and manu are 32 and 33 we can at least contend by signin a free agent worth 7 milion...AND FOR THAT REASON spurs should just wait and just sign a bunch of scrag trash players for CHEAP...around our big three (when they have three more years left of all being in their prime at the same time)...and lets end up contending for home court for round 1 of the playoffs and losing because of our lack of versatility..but hey in the end its saving us MONEY for FUTURE RIGHT??!!!.

..what future....75 percent of our payroll will be off the books in 2010-2011....thats enough of cap space dont ya think....till then i say go all out with avg. 5 million dollar deals that runs til then...

WE dont need to settle using our valuable mLE for a freakin soft weak TRASH BIG...go out and get the best player left in free agency offer 5 year 30 million ...sign javtokas....jacque vaughn...and look to trade barry scola for gadzuric or jeff foster as our big..they all are much better than anything thats left of bigs in FA

[MaNu4Tres]

ALL FOR SPURS WINNING in 06-07 , 07-08...please stand up......all for spurs SAVING MONEY for when tim and manu are not in their prime anymore please stop wanting to settle for cheap scrag big men...spurs need to go after the best player available period with their midlevel

[shaggy17]

:rolleyes Pops gonna use small ball all next year cant wait!! :pctoss Cant wait to see eric williams at the 4 :blah . Maybe we can land Kandi and turn him into a star for the vets minimum :elephant :wakeup

[shaggy17]

ALL FOR SPURS WINNING in 06-07 , 07-08...please stand up......all for spurs SAVING MONEY for when tim and manu are not in their prime anymore please stop wanting to settle for cheap scrag big men...spurs need to go after the best player available period with their midlevel


:clap :tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

:rolleyes Pops gonna use small ball all next year cant wait!! :pctoss Cant wait to see eric williams at the 4 :blah . Maybe we can land Kandi and turn him into a star for the vets minimum :elephant :wakeup

i dont like this small ball bs, or attuning to small ball cose of other teams, that is the reason why we loss against teh mavs!. we should stick to startin 5 n normal rotations that got us 60+ wins!!!

if we land kandi for vet, im up for it if he can do half what rasho does. if he wins a ring as a journeymen with us, then good for him, good for us, bad for KG as another photoshop waitin to happened.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Don't try to misinterpret my posts as support for saving money - that is not at all what I am saying. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

What I am saying is that I'm glad the front office aren't WASTING our money.

I'm glad Nazr's gone - he couldn't catch, had no athleticism and got lost on D all the time. I'm glad we didn't splash out on Joel Joel because he has a terrible injury/fragility record and looked like yet another Rasho-signing to me. Speedy was never going to come here because he wants to start. Bonzi wants too much money and is a lockeroom cancer anyway.

If we can get Jared Jeferries for the MLE, do it. Show me some other plausible FAs/trades that will markedly improve the team and of course I say do them, regardless of the money. We have to win now, that is obvious.

I'm just not for panicking before the fact like a goddamn crybaby.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Seriously we need another long 3 player to back up bowen/e.williams, thats if bruce does get selected to the team usa squad, we dont want him to log alot minutes in the regular season if he be playin alot all year due to international commitment and nba season.

[MaNu4Tres]

harrington and wells might want at least 7-8 million....spurs can offer 6 million...to wells or harrington maybe some added bling may be a convincing attribute spurs have to offer.along with the 6 mill a year...spurs can at least try...im not sayin its a done deal im jus sayin they should try......jared jeffries is a possibility....after that if non of thats possible....id look to gettin jumaine jones or rasual butler with some of our midlevel

[TDMVPDPOY]

harrington and wells might want at least 7-8 million....spurs can offer 6 million...to wells or harrington maybe some added bling may be a convincing attribute spurs have to offer.along with the 6 mill a year...spurs can at least try...im not sayin its a done deal im jus sayin they should try......jared jeffries is a possibility....after that if non of thats possible....id look to gettin jumaine jones or rasual butler with some of our midlevel

MLE is only around 5.4mill, how are we goin to offer 6mill to harry

[MaNu4Tres]

6 million avg. over 5 years, 5.4 million for the first year and 5 percent raise each year for the remaining 5 years. Which would equate to 29-30 mil over 5 years.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No way Wells or Harrington take less than 7.5mil per.

Why do we immediately need another backup 3? Williams is 6-8, 220, so he's not small, and he is an energy guy. He can easily play 12-18 mins a game.

Sure, we need to be on the lookout for our young 3, but that doesn't have to happen right now. We have a year to find him.

[MaNu4Tres]

All im saying is spurs need to improve. With Dallas gaining confidence and Phoenix getting back Amare, we need to improve. So far we have gotten worse with Duncan, Manu, Finley, Horry, Bowen gettin one year older. We have gotten worse with the departures of Nestorovic and Nazr. I don't agree that the spurs should use the midlevel and sign a piss-poor, washed up, or unproven big to fill in the starting center position. My opinion is spurs need to at least try to get the best player available with the midlevel.( Wells, Harrington, Jeffries). Then trade Barry, Scola, second round picks for a center(Gadzuric, Foster, maybe but not likely magloire). I doubt Williams will even wear a Spurs uniform.

[Leetonidas]

All im saying is spurs need to improve. With Dallas gaining confidence and Phoenix getting back Amare, we need to improve. So far we have gotten worse with Duncan, Manu, Finley, Horry, Bowen gettin one year older. We have gotten worse with the departures of Nestorovic and Nazr. I don't agree that the spurs should use the midlevel and sign a piss-poor, washed up, or unproven big to fill in the starting center position. My opinion is spurs need to at least try to get the best player available with the midlevel.( Wells, Harrington, Jeffries). Then trade Barry, Scola, second round picks for a center(Gadzuric, Foster, maybe but not likely magloire). I doubt Williams will even wear a Spurs uniform.

We're not getting Gadzuric. Magloire is available from the Bucks and that is it. Harrington and Wells will not come to San Antonio because they want more than the MLE and they want to be the #1 or #2 option and on the Spurs they'd be #4 or #5.

I do think the Spurs should throw the MLE at Jeffries, trade for a center or sign one for cheap, use the LLE on Javtokas, and let Beno back Tony up and call it on offseason.

[MaNu4Tres]

I hope spurs offer jeffries 5 years 30 million and wizards don't match. That would be golden!!

[Kori Ellis]

Wells reportedly has been offered more than the MLE by Sac.
I don't know who all is seriously interested in Jeffries. I know he was talking to Philly. I wonder how much Washington wants to keep him.

[Leetonidas]

Caron Butler is their man up there, so Jared can't be that highly coveted. Needless to say, I don't think they'd match the MLE.

[MaNu4Tres]

Hopefully Wizards don't match with Caron Butler, Antwain Jamison, Jarvis Hayes, Etan Thomas, and their rookie Pechorev at the 3 and 4 if spurs offer all of the midlevel.

[MaNu4Tres]

If I were R.C., i'd be offering Jeffries 5 years 30 million first thing in the morning. Sign Javtokas with the LLE. Sign jacque vaughn or janerro pargo for the min. and either try to find a center via trade or settle for a scrag for the minimum.

[Leetonidas]

Actually, Pargo is a pretty good option for backup or third point guard.

[Streakyshooter08]

If you look at the current situation the rumored Oberto- Bonner trade would have been better for the Spurs. They would still have a starting C and a shooting PF. The player who are left won't really be an upgrade over Rasho so the only adavantage of the trade was saving money. I am not saying that everything is over but with the lack of good big men it might be hard for the Spurs to get somebody who really helps them. I doubt Javtokas will be a force in his 1st year... if the Spurs want somebody who really helps them, he would come through a trade, free- agency has no good options left.

A player I would absolutly love to see in a Spurs uni is Josh Smith. He rebounds, blocks and can score a bit. I know there is no chance to get him but he would be a good fit imo.

[MoSpur]

They still haven't announced the signing of Eric Williams. I am sure he is likely to be traded.

[Streakyshooter08]

They still haven't announced the signing of Eric Williams. I am sure he is likely to be traded.

I think they have, at least he is listed on the Spurs roster and got No. 17...

[furry_spurry]

Sure, we need to be on the lookout for our young 3, but that doesn't have to happen right now. We have a year to find him.
Been saying that for now three off-seasons.

[furry_spurry]

If you look at the current situation the rumored Oberto- Bonner trade would have been better for the Spurs. They would still have a starting C and a shooting PF. The player who are left won't really be an upgrade over Rasho so the only adavantage of the trade was saving money.
:)

[furry_spurry]

The only positive that I can find in all of this is that maybe if the Spurs options on the team are more limited, then players will get regular minutes and there will be a normal rotation of some type. By the end of the play-offs the Spurs team had 4 bewildered big men who had no clue when or what was going to happen to them from game to game-- Nazr, Rasho, Horry, and Oberto. A good game would be followed by almost no minutes...None of them ever got the "luxury" of playing through anything or working through anything because they could always be pulled and replaced with another. Even in the play-offs Horry look confused at times. Rasho and Nazr will be on teams where they are wanted and should probably get the chance to play more regular minutes. Neither of them would have ever caused any problems, but they were both very frustrated. Oberto and Horry- plus the additon of Javtokas- are here to filll in the extra space. I really think that all the Spurs will do is sign some cheap big lug for when we play Yao and Shaq.

[ctpsb]

The only positive that I can find in all of this is that maybe if the Spurs options on the team are more limited, then players will get regular minutes and there will be a normal rotation of some type. By the end of the play-offs the Spurs team had 4 bewildered big men who had no clue when or what was going to happen to them from game to game-- Nazr, Rasho, Horry, and Oberto. A good game would be followed by almost no minutes...None of them ever got the "luxury" of playing through anything or working through anything because they could always be pulled and replaced with another. Even in the play-offs Horry look confused at times. Rasho and Nazr will be on teams where they are wanted and should probably get the chance to play more regular minutes. Neither of them would have ever caused any problems, but they were both very frustrated. Oberto and Horry- plus the additon of Javtokas- are here to filll in the extra space. I really think that all the Spurs will do is sign some cheap big lug for when we play Yao and Shaq.

That actually makes sense. You do want and/or need depth to for sure get through a good regular season to keep the stars fresh -- to a point.

Because the rotations shorten up anyway deeper in the playoffs. You have all this money in depth and then apparently aren't going to use it. So might as well spend more on better players.

[infinite styles]

Does anybody know what Jay Williams has been doing besides commentating NCAA games? I was just thinking that he might be a servicable 3rd PG and could probably move to 2nd if anything goes down with Beno. But I don't know if he's fully recovered or even been staying in shape for basketball. Hey look at what happened the last time we carried a former Duke player on the bench.

[ChumpDumper]

Jay has been working out for several teams. Doesn't sound like he's all the way back yet.

[MoSpur]

Does anybody know what Jay Williams has been doing besides commentating NCAA games? I was just thinking that he might be a servicable 3rd PG and could probably move to 2nd if anything goes down with Beno. But I don't know if he's fully recovered or even been staying in shape for basketball. Hey look at what happened the last time we carried a former Duke player on the bench.

I first wrote the suggestion of getting him a while back. He has worked out for several teams I believe, but hasn't gotten an offer as far as I know.

[Quadzilla99]

Does anybody know what Jay Williams has been doing besides commentating NCAA games? I was just thinking that he might be a servicable 3rd PG and could probably move to 2nd if anything goes down with Beno. But I don't know if he's fully recovered or even been staying in shape for basketball. Hey look at what happened the last time we carried a former Duke player on the bench.

He's launching a comeback and trying out with a couple of NBA teams.
Some other people might know the details.

[MoSpur]

He is some news of him. Don't know how true this is. Its from the Sporting News and was posted there on 7/2/06.

Everyone is rooting for PG Jay Williams, who is eager to resume his career after his 2003 motorcycle accident. It might take a while, though, according to one Eastern Conference assistant coach who put him through a workout: "He's not quick enough," he says. "That was his edge, and he's lost that. … He's almost an ordinary 6-foot guy now." . . .

[infinite styles]

Well I guess we can scratch him off then if he isn't fully recovered. With all the talk about trading Beno for a big I've been trying to think of a servicable backup at PG. I keep hearing about Pargo but the one memory I have of him is from the 4th qtr of game 6 against the Lakers and Walton making a statement like:
"Look at the lineup for the Lakers Slava, Rush, and Jannero Pargo? The Lakers have given up!"

But he did have some great moments in last years PO's against the Wizards.

[MoSpur]

I have the best plan. The Spurs need to bring Keon Clark in. Then bring back Glenn Robinson. Last of all, convinve Latrell Sprewell to come play for the league minimum and offer a H.E.B endorsement so that he can feed his family. We could trade Barry for a Big. Bringing in all the above would be cheap and solve all of our porblems.












I crack myself up.

[MoSpur]

http://membres.lycos.fr/batyst4/hpbimg/act_keon_clark.jpg

http://www.mysanantonio.com/multimedia/slideshows/show_572/SONICS_SPURS8.jpg

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/05/23_williamsb_wolvesgame2/images/gettyspre_large.jpg

[adidas11]

Hey, it looks like Olawakandi is available. Remember those Kandiman threads from a few years back, and how everyone wanted him?

[MoSpur]

We'd make crazy headlines. I would not stop laughing if all this were to come true. I would buy season tickets for the first time just to see if any drama unfolds on the court.

[MoSpur]

In all seriousness, what do you guys think about Eddie House. He seems like a good PG.

[leemajors]

eddie house is a horrible pg. he doesn't pass.

[MoSpur]

eddie house is a horrible pg. he doesn't pass.


I thought so. He was the one jacking up threes a lot wasn't he? Well, he couldn't be worse than Nick Van Exel. Couldn't he?

[MrChug]

OLAWA-KANT-PLAY...the missing link to the San Antonio Spurs dynasty!

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Spurs aren't going to just put their MLE in their pocket, are they?

I haven't been real happy with free agency so far and not hearing much free agent interest from the Spurs is getting me kinda anxious, but I'm hoping this will pass...

The only really inexusable thing would be being insanely cheap and just refusing to use their MLE. Hopefully this isn't a realistic possibility and is just me being paranoid. :smokin

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Sign and trade Brent Barry to the Magic for DeShawn Stevenson. Would that work?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm going to fucking kill myself.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'm going to fucking kill myself.
If you dont like my idea just say so.

[shyne]

David Harrison I watched alot of Pacer games the last couple of yrs, and this guy is tough in the post, rebounds good, and has great hands. He also runs the floor well and finishes with power dunks, anyone know his status? Or is Indiana would be willing to trade him?

[ChumpDumper]

Location, location, location.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

thread #353459083409583409589 on this

[ChumpDumper]

I'm pinning this since it's getting buried in redundancy.

[Marc Cuban]

Hi! Cuban here to tell you to get your hair cut at Supercuts like me, also be afraid Spurs fans I will trade for Kenyon Martin, sign him to an extension until 2037 and swing the balance of power in the NBA. Congrats to me on my first post. I'm wearing sweatpants you know.

[awmyplace]

Hi! Cuban here to tell you to get your hair cut at Supercuts like me, also be afraid Spurs fans I will trade for Kenyon Martin, sign him to an extension until 2037 and swing the balance of power in the NBA. Congrats to me on my first post. I'm wearing sweatpants you know.

Hi!Welcome to the board Marc Cuban!I hope you enjoy the site.

[Marc Cuban]

I'm here to answer any questions. I will sign anyone who is seven feet tall to a contract so be sure to mention that in your posts.