aTm question

[word]

I don't get it.

I went to Academy Sports today and bought a new driver and I was standing in line behind this guy with his kid, who was 10 or so. They had these UT glove things with one finger up, you know '#1' for sale by the checkout and the kid was having trouble putting it on and his dad shows him how to wear it and he says, 'They're Aggie proof'.

To which I replied, 'There's no such thing.' He says, 'Well that's as close as they could get' then adds, 'His sister is dating a guy that goes to aTm, he's all right.'

I said, 'Everyone is entitled to one mistake.'

So I says, 'How do you think Texas will do against OSU ?'

He says, 'They've always got a good team up there. I don't know.'

I sez " Well if they get by OSU they should be able to go undefeated again. OU is still down and aTm is in Austin where they are incapable of winning.'

He says,' They seem to be incapable of winning at all lately.'

So I'm thinking I'm talking to, you know, a 'brother' then he says....

'I think the aggies are at a disadvantage in the big XII.'

And I says, 'How's that ?'

And I swear to fockin' god, he says...'Well they have such high academic standards it's harder for them.'

And all I could do was groan...

He added, 'They're like Northwestern in the big X.'

More groaning....

Then he got up to the counter and I noticed on his keychain he had an aTm rubber logo thingy...

'The Northwestern of the big XII'.....

I swear to GOD, I'll never understand those people. Ever.

[scott]

I swear to God, I'll never understand anyone who thinks UT could possibly go undefeated this season. :rofl

[word]

Who is going to stop them ? That's the question. If they get by tOSU, who's defense is decimated and had to kick what, 5 FG's against Texas, and had a major problem in the the red zone offensively against Texas, then who ? 8-4 OU ? aTm ? Baylor ? Tech ? Rice ? Colorado ? Nebraska ?


Bwhaaaaa !!!!!!

Texas has a good of shot as any. More in fact.

[johngateswhiteley]

Who is going to stop them ? That's the question. If they get by tOSU, who's defense is decimated and had to kick what, 5 FG's against Texas, and had a major problem in the the red zone offensively against Texas, then who ? 8-4 OU ? aTm ? Baylor ? Tech ? Rice ? Colorado ? Nebraska ?


Bwhaaaaa !!!!!!

Texas has a good of shot as any. More in fact.

...slow down. you lost your entire offense and a few key players on defense, while the personel filling those spots is either not nearly as good or unproven. there is no reason to think OU, A&M, Nebraska, or Tech could beat not t.u.

[SPARKY]

I don't understand people who have to bring up old college rivalries in the checkout line at the discount sporting goods store. And then post about it on the internets. But to each his own.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

...slow down. you lost your entire offense and a few key players on defense, while the personel filling those spots is either not nearly as good or unproven. there is no reason to think OU, A&M, Nebraska, or Tech could beat not t.u.


defense is not an issue, we have the potential to be even better defensively come bowl time.

[word]

...slow down. you lost your entire offense and a few key players on defense, while the personel filling those spots is either not nearly as good or unproven. there is no reason to think OU, A&M, Nebraska, or Tech could beat not t.u.

Lost the entire offense? Moron. Check the roster and the do a 'check' of who played in the Rose Bowl or against tOSU last year. Off the top of my head....

Offense:

Justin Blalock
Lyle Sendlein
Kasey Studdard
Jamaal Charles
Henry 'the bus' Melton
Selvin Young
Limus Sweed
Quan Cosby
Jordan Shipley
Billy Pittman

Defense:
Tim Crowder
Marcus Griffin
Michael Griffin
Sergio Kindle
Frank Okam
Aaron Ross

It's all what that freshman QB can do. But, I'd be pretty confident behind the likes of blalock, studdard and sendlein tossing the rock to pittman, cosby or sweed or handing off to charles or melton.

Texas isn't 'trashed' by any stretch. The core of the RB team is there. What remains to be seen is if VY took their heart and soul with them.












Texas offense, while without VY is basically the same team. The defense is more a question. But they'll get their points.

[word]

I don't understand people who have to bring up old college rivalries in the checkout line at the discount sporting goods store. And then post about it on the internets. But to each his own.

So aTm IS the Northwestern of the big XII ?

[johngateswhiteley]

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...i was referring to young, and yes, he was your entire offense. without him not only do you lose to USC that day, you lose by 30-40 points.

[word]

VY is good but he ain't that good. People went, overnight, from VY being 'radio' to VY being the entire Texas team.

I suppose Texas will never win another game...pity. And I so liked winning...

*sniffle*

[johngateswhiteley]

VY is good but he ain't that good. People went, overnight, from VY being 'radio' to VY being the entire Texas team.

I suppose Texas will never win another game...pity. And I so liked winning...

*sniffle*


touche. nice response.

...however, vy has always been good and he has always bailed t.u. out of games. though i do think he played his best game, by far, against USC....and thats what it took. b/c you're not as good as the trojans. so it should be interesting next year....but to think t.u. is going to be a top 5 team next year is ludicrous, imo. i'd say they are a top 15 team and very vulnerable to the likes of OU, A&M, Nebraska, and Tech...not to mention Ohio State is going to pound you guys.

[word]

Yeah, see Texas no longer has Vince Young, but what you fail to realize is, neither does anyone else, unless the Titans are suddenly going to play in Div-I.

If VY came back this year I don't think anyone, anywhere, would not say, 'No one can beat Texas, no one.'

True ?

And it would be, barring an injury or fluke, true. Texas isn't as strong but neither are the powerhouses they beat last year. And please, OU. Why ? What is it about OU that people think this team has somehow gone from 8-4 to 'winning it all'.

?

I ask again, just who is going to absolutely without a doubt, beat Texas ?

You can't name one team. No one can. I think when tOSU comes into DKR there's not going to be a buncho' people betting the farm on OSU....or Texas. But I'd take the home team given that game.

And I'd take Texas -vs- OU given last years rosters and performances even without VY. Charles is every bit as good a running back as AD. This year he'll prove it. And the remainder of the squad ? Texas..proven. OU...proven to fail. Sorry man, Texas is still the team to beat. That won't change till they ARE beaten. They get through week 2 and momentum, once again, is on their side.

They lose week 2 and they could lose 2 more, just like tOSU did last year.

Pivitol game. Make or break. Period. Me, you and the entire CFB world will be watching that game. It will determine the fate of many teams.

[johngateswhiteley]

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...first of all, t.u. could be beaten even if vy came back...you highly overrate your team. and i don't think OU is going to win it all....far from it. but they along with tech, nebraska, and A&M are good enough to beat you. we are talking about one game here. t.u. fans should know this better than anyone....USC was a better team than t.u. and would have won that game 75 times out of 100, imo. and while you may not agree with that, or anyone else in texas for that matter, that is the national consensus (that USC is/was better)....but they weren't that day, and that is all that mattered. USC proved the best teams can still be beaten, anytime, anywhere...

[SPARKY]

So aTm IS the Northwestern of the big XII ?

I don't care. I'll let you worry about the random dude in the Academy checkout line. 'bout time you actually posed a question in the thread though.

[Obstructed_View]

UT has a ~30% graduation rate for football players. Everyone is Northwestern compared to them.

[Ballcox]

I consider myself to be a 'realistic' UT fan, and I'm expecting either 10-2 or at best 11-1 this season. We have some big time dangerous games starting with ohio state, against ou in Dallas, at nebraska, at tech and home against a&m to finish the season. My dream scenario this season is to win a close game against ohio state, beat ou in Dallas, and then maybe we lose at Nebraska or at Tech, but we win the tiebraker with ou to represent the Big XII South in the championship game. If our QB is/should be playing well by the end of the season we have the possibility of making a BCS game. That's the scenario that keeps me up at night stroking myself. :smokin

[Willinsa]

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USC was a better team than t.u. and would have won that game 75 times out of 100, imo. and while you may not agree with that, or anyone else in texas for that matter, that is the national consensus (that USC is/was better)....but they weren't that day, and that is all that mattered. USC proved the best teams can still be beaten, anytime, anywhere...

This is a bunch of crap, I was at the Rose Bowl and all of ESPN was on USC jock saying how good they were and that the D would stop vince blah blah blah. Well the Horns beat a team that was overrated and lucky the whole year. How quickly after the RB that all of ESPN jumps on the bandwagon, I thought the city of LA was going to kill themselves. But your comment about USC being better sounds like that little bitch Leinhart after he was BEAT by Texas. I mean USC almost lost to Fresno St, and needed a push to beat touchdown Jesus.

I think the Defense of Texas will help pull out some games this year, a win over OSU can help the team a lot. But I think games aganist the Huskers and the raiders can be tough.

At least unlike the aggies no worries about Baylor. :lol

[johngateswhiteley]

This is a bunch of crap, I was at the Rose Bowl and all of ESPN was on USC jock saying how good they were and that the D would stop vince blah blah blah. Well the Horns beat a team that was overrated and lucky the whole year. How quickly after the RB that all of ESPN jumps on the bandwagon, I thought the city of LA was going to kill themselves. But your comment about USC being better sounds like that little bitch Leinhart after he was BEAT by Texas. I mean USC almost lost to Fresno St, and needed a push to beat touchdown Jesus.

I think the Defense of Texas will help pull out some games this year, a win over OSU can help the team a lot. But I think games aganist the Huskers and the raiders can be tough.

At least unlike the aggies no worries about Baylor. :lol

...hmm, all good points. :rolleyes

[scott]

Saying USC was better than UT is lame... USC lost, UT is National Champs (I almost threw up typing that). Get over it.

[Obstructed_View]

At least unlike the aggies no worries about Baylor. :lol
Man if Baylor manages to upset UT I'm going nuclear on this forum. :)

[johngateswhiteley]

Saying USC was better than UT is lame... USC lost, UT is National Champs (I almost threw up typing that). Get over it.

...again. thanks for that indepth analysis....not. apparently dallas is better than the Spurs then...thats what i thought, and that was even a series. anybody can win a single game, so you can go ahead and STFU...

[word]

aTm is still the Northwestern of the Big XII though.

[scott]

...again. thanks for that indepth analysis....not. apparently dallas is better than the Spurs then...thats what i thought, and that was even a series. anybody can win a single game, so you can go ahead and STFU...

Dallas is better than the Spurs. What exactly is your argument?

But tell you what, congrats... your team wins the "We'd win 2 out of 3" throphy.

[word]

Dallas has nothing to brag about at this time. They were close, but, no cigar.

[word]

I don't care. I'll let you worry about the random dude in the Academy checkout line. 'bout time you actually posed a question in the thread though.

Okay SPARKY...where is this 'high academic standard' of aTm if it DID in fact exist, which it does not, but how would that prevent you from having a winning football team ?

Hmmmmm, Sparky ?

Is that direct enough ? Seeing that you can't follow what is INFURRPLY'D...
( did I get the aggie spellin' right ?)

Thx in advance

[Obstructed_View]

Okay SPARKY...where is this 'high academic standard' of aTm if it DID in fact exist, which it does not, but how would that prevent you from having a winning football team ?
When players that score 300 on the SAT don't qualify to go to school A then school B has a recruiting advantage. The only trouble is A&M has the same admissions policy for student athletes as UT IINM, which kind of kills that argument. There's a reason A&M is getting their asses kicked in recruiting, and it has nothing to do with their high standards. They'd recruit in Huntsville if it would help them win the conference.

[johngateswhiteley]

When players that score 300 on the SAT don't qualify to go to school A then school B has a recruiting advantage. The only trouble is A&M has the same admissions policy for student athletes as UT IINM, which kind of kills that argument. There's a reason A&M is getting their asses kicked in recruiting, and it has nothing to do with their high standards. They'd recruit in Huntsville if it would help them win the conference.

...what to tell someone, when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. unbelievable....

[SPARKY]

Okay SPARKY...where is this 'high academic standard' of aTm if it DID in fact exist, which it does not, but how would that prevent you from having a winning football team ?

Hmmmmm, Sparky ?

Is that direct enough ? Seeing that you can't follow what is INFURRPLY'D...
( did I get the aggie spellin' right ?)

Thx in advance

Damn, you are that stupid.

[mookie2001]

sparky you remind me of someone...

there was this dude
dominant aggy avatars
defender of aggy
scoffer of longhorn
conservative
many many posts

[Obstructed_View]

...what to tell someone, when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. unbelievable....
I'm sorry, did you have a point? If I'm so wrong, educate me.

[MajorMike]

aTm is still the Northwestern of the Big XII though.

Just like Fran is the Bill Self/Larry Brown of college football - go to a place with lots in place, farm it, get yours out of it, leave before the decline. Unfortunately Fran hasn't left before the decline.

I'm assuming he will now leave soon, either by being forced out or because of NCAA investigations about his recruiting Goodsen.

[word]

When players that score 300 on the SAT don't qualify to go to school A then school B has a recruiting advantage. The only trouble is A&M has the same admissions policy for student athletes as UT IINM, which kind of kills that argument. There's a reason A&M is getting their asses kicked in recruiting, and it has nothing to do with their high standards. They'd recruit in Huntsville if it would help them win the conference.

Lame lame lame. You're still hanging on to the 'high academic standards' thing.


British Financial Times top 50 Universities in the WORLD:

1 Harvard University USA
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology USA
3 University of Cambridge UK
4 University of Oxford UK
5 Stanford University USA
6 University of California, Berkeley USA
7 Yale University USA
8 California Institute of Technology USA
9 Princeton University USA
10 Ecole Polytechnique France
11 Duke University USA
12 London School of Economics UK
13 Imperial College London UK
14 Cornell University USA
15 Beijing University China
16 Tokyo University Japan
17 University of California, San Francisco USA
18 University of Chicago USA
19 University of Melbourne Australia
20 Columbia University USA
21 ETH Zurich Switzerland
22 National University of Singapore Singapore
23 Australian National University Australia
24 Ecole Normale Supérieure France
25 McGill University Canada
26 University of Texas at Austin USA
27 Johns Hopkins University USA
28 University College London UK
29 University of Toronto Canada
30 Edinburgh University UK
31 Kyoto University Japan
32 University of Pennsylvania USA
33 Monash University Australia
34 École polytechnique fédérale de Lausanne Switzerland
35 Manchester University & Umist UK
36 University of Michigan USA
37 University of California, Los Angeles USA
38 University of British Columbia Canada
39 Sydney University Australia
40 University of New South Wales Australia
41 Hong Kong University Hong Kong
42 University of California, San Diego USA
43 Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Hong Kong
44 Carnegie Mellon University USA
45 Heidelberg University Germany
46 Northwestern University USA
47 Queensland University Australia
48 Nanyang Technological University Singapore
49 Bristol University UK
50 Foundation for Advancement of Science and Technology Pakistan

Aggieland isn't in the top 50 of US Universities. Clearly not the Northwestern of the big XII.

Get over it all ready. Do you guys EVER stop ?

[Obstructed_View]

blah blah blah

I thought we were talking about football, and the ability to recruit. The point is, A&M doens't have higher standards for athletes than UT does, so the argument is lame. Nobody outside of the mouth breathing UT fans is saying A&M is a bad university.

[MajorMike]

you are using a Brit list? Geez, some of you guys would use a Sesame Street list if you thought it made your school look better.

[johngateswhiteley]

...that list is lame. first off, USC annihilates t.u. in every reputable ranking system in the USA. check out the princeton review or college news....for starters.

[Extra Stout]

...that list is lame. first off, USC annihilates t.u. in every reputable ranking system in the USA. check out the princeton review or college news....for starters.
According to U.S. News and World Report:

USC #30
Texas #52
Texas A&M #60

Aggie is closer to Horn than Horn is to Trojan in diploma value.

[johngateswhiteley]

According to U.S. News and World Report:

USC #30
Texas #52
Texas A&M #60

Aggie is closer to Horn than Horn is to Trojan in diploma value.

yeah, thats closer to what it usually is. even if you average my two schools...thats 45 and still better than t.u., ha ha.

...but i think the princeton review has USC in the 20s maybe even the teens....i can't remember.

[Oscar DeLa]

I don't know what it is but you chose the two coolest schools I can think of!

[word]

Texas actually moved down from 15th in 2004. The rankings are explained:

" The rankings are based on the amount of cited research produced by faculty members, the ratio of faculty to student numbers, a university’s success in attracting foreign students and in attracting internationally renowned academics.

An additional factor in the rankings is the findings from a previous Times Higher Education Supplement survey in which 1,300 academics in 88 countries were asked to name the best institutions in the fields they felt knowledgeable about.

The five factors were weighted and transformed against a scale that gave the top university 1,000 points and ranked everyone else as a proportion of that score.

“Leading universities increasingly define themselves in terms of international competition,” said John O'Leary, editor of the supplement. “By taking account of the views of academics from across five continents and using the most up-to-date statistics, our ranking gives an INFORMED picture of the world’s top universities.”

Key word, informed. Not 'aggie's opinion, or broken hearted trojan fans opinion.

1300 top academics in 88 countires were asked THEIR opinion.

Not what a bunch of goofs at a half assed has been US news rag think.

Here's another one that has Texas at 36th, if it makes you feel better, USC at 50, aTm at 89, which is respectable, world wide.

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm

The crux of it all, is that aTm is not a better university than UT, never has been, probably never will be. UT has too damn much money for conducting research.

US news....good grief.

[johngateswhiteley]

Texas actually moved down from 15th in 2004. The rankings are explained:

" The rankings are based on the amount of cited research produced by faculty members, the ratio of faculty to student numbers, a university’s success in attracting foreign students and in attracting internationally renowned academics.

An additional factor in the rankings is the findings from a previous Times Higher Education Supplement survey in which 1,300 academics in 88 countries were asked to name the best institutions in the fields they felt knowledgeable about.

The five factors were weighted and transformed against a scale that gave the top university 1,000 points and ranked everyone else as a proportion of that score.

“Leading universities increasingly define themselves in terms of international competition,” said John O'Leary, editor of the supplement. “By taking account of the views of academics from across five continents and using the most up-to-date statistics, our ranking gives an INFORMED picture of the world’s top universities.”

Key word, informed. Not 'aggie's opinion, or broken hearted trojan fans opinion.

1300 top academics in 88 countires were asked THEIR opinion.

Not what a bunch of goofs at a half assed has been US news rag think.

Here's another one that has Texas at 36th, if it makes you feel better, USC at 50, aTm at 89, which is respectable, world wide.

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm

The crux of it all, is that aTm is not a better university than UT, never has been, probably never will be. UT has too damn much money for conducting research.

US news....good grief.


...A&M has never been ranked above t.u. in these college type rankings, however this is the first ever rankings i have seen t.u. over USC....meaning its hogwash.

you cannot even compare the schools, USC dominates in every aspect. i'll choose to look at every other ranking, except this one, if you don't mind.