Mavs: Daniels for Croshere, MJames agrees to terms

[redskinfan]

of FTWorth Star Telegarm Mike James has agreed to terms with mavs. Good move for Dallas? I have heard talk about how good this guy is but then you see him traded every season what is with this dude?

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Well.... he will shoot you out of more games than he will shoot you into

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Doesn't really bother me.

I hope he takes playing time away from Harris/Terry.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

He does play Parker well, though.

But so do Harris and Terry...so oh well.

[rayray2k8]

Um. okay.
Not sure they needed it but i guess they're still not confident with harris as their back-up.
Shit id take him in a heartbeat.

[ChumpDumper]

Beno will eat this guy alive - just give him a chance!

[redskinfan]

I like beno he isn't afraid to shoot and is okay quickness wise he needs a chance this season hopefully we get a young pg for the 3rd string

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I like beno he isn't afraid to shoot and is okay quickness wise he needs a chance this season hopefully we get a young pg for the 3rd string

Isn't afraid to shoot?

Is OK quickness wise?




You're talking about Beno Udrih right, the back up point guard for the Spurs?

[redskinfan]

Isn't afraid to shoot?

Is OK quickness wise?




You're talking about Beno Udrih right, the back up point guard for the Spurs?


did I write something wrong?back it up shoot it down or something :down: :ban:

[Please_dont_ban_me]

did I write something wrong?back it up shoot it down or something :down: :ban:

Heh, I'm messing around.

I don't know man...I think most people on here will agree he struggles with his confidense and if anything he will pass up open shots more than take them.

Also, he's not super quick. He's more on the nifty side.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Udrih gets to the hoop kind of like Manu does, without the athletic ability to dunk...and most the time when he stretches for that lefty layup he misses or it gets blocked.

[ChumpDumper]

Beno was very aggressive with his shooting in the second half of the season.

He's isn't quick though.

[sribb43]

What the hell? Stupid ass trade for the mavs :cuss http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/?nl

[redskinfan]

Udrih gets to the hoop kind of like Manu does, without the athletic ability to dunk...and most the time when he stretches for that lefty layup he misses or it gets blocked.


true. but the dude does shoot and hits at a decent percentage for the time he is out there. I think his confidence will grow when he doesn't have a veteran behind him.Plus he is on the cheap making less than a mill a year. Spurs are thrifty spenders you know

[Please_dont_ban_me]

true. but the dude does shoot and hits at a decent percentage for the time he is out there. I think his confidence will grow when he doesn't have a veteran behind him.Plus he is on the cheap making less than a mill a year. Spurs are thrifty spenders you know

He has a nice stroke.

I would love to see him shoot every time he gets it and is open.

[ChumpDumper]

One panic signing for another.

[loveforthegame]

Not sure about the Mike James deal but the Mavs sent Daniels to Indiana for Croshere.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/SPORTS04/60705025/1004/SPORTS

Pacers sending Croshere to Mavs

Indiana will receive G Marquis Daniels in exchange for longest-tenured Pacer

The Pacers have agreed to trade Croshere to the Dallas Mavericks for guard Marquis Daniels, according to people with knowledge of the situation.
The deal can't become official until July 12 when teams can complete trades and free agent signings.

Croshere was the longest-tenured Pacer, spending nine seasons with the team. He became expandable with the addition of draftee Shawne Williams and with the Pacers trying to become more athletic. Croshere is also entering the final year of his contract. He averaged 7.5 points and 4.3 rebounds during his career with the Pacers.

Daniels averaged 9.3 points, 3.3 rebounds and 2.3 assists in three seasons with the Mavericks.

The trade for Daniels is the first of what could be several moves by the Pacers this summer. They're also interested in acquiring former Pacer Al Harrington from the Atlanta Hawks.

[strangeweather]

What the hell? Stupid ass trade for the mavs :cuss http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/?nl
Daniels was making way too much money, and he's in Avery's doghouse. To top it off, he's a third-stringer on the depth chart.

I'm not an expert on Croshere's game, but he gave Indiana 8 and 5 in 23 minutes last year as a backup PF, which sounds okay to me.

Why do you think it's such a bad deal?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

rofl, how did Marquis get so bad? He was just as hyped as Josh Howard after last year's playoffs, then in this year's playoffs every time he gets in the game he turns it over Malik Style.

It was a nazr-esque turnaround for him.

[timvp]

:lmao

Keith Van Horn replacement I guess.

[redskinfan]

dont they have crosheres twin in Van Horn?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Not sure about the Mike James deal but the Mavs sent Daniels to Indiana for Croshere.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/SPORTS04/60705025/1004/SPORTS

Pacers sending Croshere to Mavs

Indiana will receive G Marquis Daniels in exchange for longest-tenured Pacer

The Pacers have agreed to trade Croshere to the Dallas Mavericks for guard Marquis Daniels, according to people with knowledge of the situation.
The deal can't become official until July 12 when teams can complete trades and free agent signings.

Croshere was the longest-tenured Pacer, spending nine seasons with the team. He became expandable with the addition of draftee Shawne Williams and with the Pacers trying to become more athletic. Croshere is also entering the final year of his contract. He averaged 7.5 points and 4.3 rebounds during his career with the Pacers.

Daniels averaged 9.3 points, 3.3 rebounds and 2.3 assists in three seasons with the Mavericks.

The trade for Daniels is the first of what could be several moves by the Pacers this summer. They're also interested in acquiring former Pacer Al Harrington from the Atlanta Hawks.

That doesn't really make sense for either team.

Daniels isn't that great...and Mavs already have a Croshere type player in Van Horn.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

dont they have crosheres twin in Van Horn?

Bastard.

[Horry For 3!]

Mavs have been trying to get rid of Daniels for awhile now, I guess they got it done.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

Keith Van Horn replacement I guess.I'm not going to put up any emoticons until he's safely signed to some other team.

[infinite styles]

I wish that they were willing to let go of Danny Granger for the cheap but it ain't gonna happen.

[sribb43]

Daniels was making way too much money, and he's in Avery's doghouse. To top it off, he's a third-stringer on the depth chart.

I'm not an expert on Croshere's game, but he gave Indiana 8 and 5 in 23 minutes last year as a backup PF, which sounds okay to me.

Why do you think it's such a bad deal?

Another soft backup PF, just what we need

[FromWayDowntown]

:lmao

Keith Van Horn replacement I guess.

That's exactly what I thought; plus Croshere is an expiring deal while Daniels is on the books through 2010.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm not real sure why dallas ,or houston for that matter, is so high on this guy. I don't think I woud miss a wink of sleep if he signed with either team.

[itzsoweezee]

james is dumb. he's gonna a lot less playing time in dallas than if he had gone somewhere else.

[Mr. Body]

Daniels isn't a bad player by any means - he just hasn't improved at all in three years. What's the matter with him is his ugly, ugly, UGLY contract.

After years of waiting for Croshere's contract to expire, the Pacers saddle up with another one.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I wish that they were willing to let go of Danny Granger for the cheap but it ain't gonna happen.

I'd give up Oberto/Udrih/Bowen for a Granger.

Assuming we could replace Udrih with a Pargo.

[Kori Ellis]

I combined both Mavs related threads if this is going to be in the Spurs forum.

[Obstructed_View]

I combined both Mavs related threads if this is going to be in the Spurs forum.
Man, warn a brotha before you do that. I thought I was having deja vu. :lol


By the way "man" is just an exclamation. :)

[Kori Ellis]

Man, warn a brotha before you do that. I thought I was having deja vu. :lol

:lmao

Sorry.

[Marc Cuban]

I will sign all the 6'10 and up White jump shooting Power Forwards in the NBA. It was very important for me to sign Croshere because he brings nothing like what Dirk and KVH bring. I'm wearing Wrangler jeans and a WalMart sweater by the way.

[Kori Ellis]

I will sign all the 6'10 and up White jump shooting Power Forwards in the NBA. It was very important for me to sign Croshere because he brings nothing like what Dirk and KVH bring. I'm wearing Wrangler jeans and a WalMart sweater by the way.

Can you stop trolling in the Spurs forum and just switch back to your other user name?

Thanks.

[infinite styles]

I'd give up Oberto/Udrih/Bowen for a Granger.

Assuming we could replace Udrih with a Pargo.

I wouldn't go as far as giving up Bowen but Granger would be perfect to come off the bench behind him. He really suprised a lot of people last year and has a lot of potential. But its all just a pipe dream. :angel

[Big P]

KVH is a FA & they dont expect him back..so they got a replacement with an expiring contract.

[JHoLove]

I'm pissed about the Daniels trade.

I kind of saw it coming though. Just not for Austin Croshere.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lmao

Keith Van Horn replacement I guess.

That's what I was thinking. :lol

James to the Mavs as well!? What are they thinking? Now they have 3 small PGs, all of whom they will want to play. Is James or Harris going to play SG consistently?

[Obstructed_View]

I have this sort of suspicion that Cuban signed James just to keep him away from the Spurs. It makes so little sense, Cuban has to be involved, and he doesn't do anything without thinking about the Spurs.

[Ninja-Defense]

Can you stop trolling in the Spurs forum and just switch back to your other user name?

Thanks.

Really? I hate Cuban just as much as the next Spur fan but I love these faux posters...Him, David Stern, Doug Collins, they can "troll" all they want though I don't see anything wrong or annoying about it...

[SenorSpur]

Another divison rival improves their talent and gets stronger while the Spurs do nothing.

[Ninja-Defense]

BTW, how many swingmen does Indiana have now? 3? 4?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Heh, I'm messing around.

I don't know man...I think most people on here will agree he struggles with his confidense and if anything he will pass up open shots more than take them.

Also, he's not super quick. He's more on the nifty side.

wat confidence? beno will always shoot it when his free, unlike barry who doesnt know what to do with the ball when his free to shoot.

beno has better foot lateral quickness compared to parkers speed, but defensive wise, beno usually hustles alot.

[mFFL03]

daniels is a great player....but he is one of those guys who needs 20-30 minutes a game to get going.

Him and Josh Howard were battling for that spot, but Josh became a better player in the end. Daniels just looked slower but did shine in Nelly's system.

[BigD1]

Beno will eat this guy alive - just give him a chance!
LOL!!!

[SPARKY]

To address random points in this thread.

First off, the trade was to dump a bad contract. Nothing more. Much like the Spurs didn't trade Radoslav because they think Eric Williams is Bowen's replacement.

Secondly, the Spurs would never have gone after Mike James. Not that I necessarily agree, but let's be real.

James fits their program. Croshere will serve his purpose with his contract and I'm sure he can fit in spots.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Forget the Croshere part, a lot of people in this thread are kidding themselves when they blow off the James signing. The Mavs just got deeper on the perimeter, meanwhile we've got Tony, Manu, and a couple of 30+ year olds.

[leemajors]

i haven't seen anywhere that mike james agreed to terms with the mavs...

[Shank]

Me neither.

[big3bigD]

There has been alot of talk about Terry starting at the 2 next season. They want more scoring at that spot, and also like Terry and Harris playing together. This would leave Harris starting at the 1 with James playing heavy minutes as his backup.

I like both situations for the Mavs. James plays good defense and is a good vet backup at the 1. Croshere is a good replacement for KVH. He can't be any worse in the clutch than KVH, plus he has an expiring contract. KVH is so injury proned, that the Mavs should actually get alot more out of croshere than they ever did from Van Horn. They just want another big man that can help stretch the floor a bit. Daniels was too far down the depth chart and was basically an expensive luxury.

Nothing that is especially exciting, but these are both solid moves for Dallas.

[shaggy17]

Thanks Spurs management for not going after Mike james ( a backup pg who would of been nice) and letting another elite team get stronger while we sit around watching the days go by! :pctoss :tu :jack Cant wait to see Eric Williams guard Dirk as pops small ball style rolls into full effect :rolleyes

[violentkitten]

mike james wouldve hurt the spurs with his ability to create his own shot and score in the clutch

[strangeweather]

mike james wouldve hurt the spurs with his ability to create his own shot and score in the clutch
Mike James would have hurt the Spurs with his ability to take up the whole midlevel without playing in the post.

[violentkitten]

Mike James would have hurt the Spurs with his ability to take up the whole midlevel without playing in the post.

instead we get scot pollard. whoop de fucking doo.

[shaggy17]

mike james wouldve hurt the spurs with his ability to create his own shot and score in the clutch

:tu hey we saved money for 2010 cap space and for the long term future.

[violentkitten]

:tu hey we saved money for 2010 cap space and for the long term future.

im getting drunk tonite how about you?

[shaggy17]

im getting drunk tonite how about you?

I am planning on it :lol . Oh well hey at least we have 3 titles and we are saving up :elephant that cap room

[furry_spurry]

Augh... and here I thought the Spurs would get Croshere. Well, we can still hold out hope for KVH. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Reports today say James is close to a deal with the Rockets, not the Mavericks.

[Obstructed_View]

It wouldn't be surprising that someone at the Mavs FO would feed Randy Galloway a big shit sandwich so Cuban could enjoy watching him eat it.

[furry_spurry]

Reports today say James is close to a deal with the Rockets, not the Mavericks.
That makes much more sense.

[leemajors]

Reports today say James is close to a deal with the Rockets, not the Mavericks.

thank you, i don't know where people were getting this. i couldn't find anything besides him having talked to dallas.

[Supergirl]

I don't trust a player who's been unceremoniously DUMPED by multiple teams for the last 2-3 years. No matter how good he looks on paper, there's obviously something wrong with the guy.

Devin Harris and Jason Terry are worlds better than he is, and now they've got a logjam for minutes.

[Mr. Body]

Augh... and here I thought the Spurs would get Croshere. Well, we can still hold out hope for KVE. :lol

Keith Van Exel?

Sounds like a nightmare I had once...

[furry_spurry]

Keith Van Exel?

Sounds like a nightmare I had once...
I fixed it. :lol

[ducks]

http://www.startribune.com/511/story/534972.html

Memphis center Lorenzen Wright and Toronto guard Mike James, both unrestricted free agents, are scheduled to meet with Wolves representatives in the next few days in Las Vegas. The team's summer league entry begins play tonight at the Cox Pavilion on the UNLV campus.

The 6-11 Wright, 30, averaged 5.8 points, 5.1 rebounds and 0.59 blocks -- all below his career averages -- in 78 appearances (58 starts). A local guy who also played at the University of Memphis, Wright was said to be disappointed that the Grizzlies have no interest in re-signing him.

Wright recently told the Memphis Commercial Appeal he was seeking at least a three-year contract.

James, 31, has been mentioned for weeks as a player the Wolves might pursue. The 6-2 guard averaged 20.3 points and 5.8 assists for the Raptors, while hitting 44.2 percent of his three-point shots (fourth in the league). Other teams interested in James include Houston and Dallas, with reports that the veteran of six NBA stops is seeking at least the full mid-level exception over five years, worth about $30 million.

[diego]

has anyone heard some of the shit mike james has been talking this offseason? dude is nuts, hes talkin bout being a max franchise player, leading teams to championships, boxing and biting his way to the top, theres even an MP3 of a radio interview up on the realgm raps forum where he starts singing "this little light of mine..", funny shit!

i was very impressed with his play for the pistons in the playoffs, but dudes crazy. id love it if he went to the mavs and fucked with their chemistry

[Budkin]

Someone change the title of this thread. James has not agreed to terms with the Mavs yet.

Apparently he is meeting with the Wolves, Rockets, and Mavs today.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=970081562040

And the Toronto Sun is reporting that he is close to signing with the Rockets.

http://torontosun.com/Sports/Basketball/2006/07/06/1670676-sun.html

[DallasFan]

What the hell? Stupid ass trade for the mavs :cuss http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/?nl

I agree totally...another KVH :soapbox:

[Shank]

It wouldn't be surprising that someone at the Mavs FO would feed Randy Galloway a big shit sandwich so Cuban could enjoy watching him eat it.

Avery is the one that told him that the team would try as hard as possible to get Mike James. And why would Cuban try to set Randy up? Ooooh - because you think what happens on the radio is how things are in reality.

[LEONARD]

1. James is NOT signed. He's in MN today talking to the T-wolves.

2. KVH's contact is DONE. He won't be back. (unless they trade Croshere and bring KVH back for CHEAP)

3. Croshere is similar to KVH, but a little better rebounder.

4. Daniels wasn't going to get PT here and his contract was too much. From a contract / salary standpoint, this trade makes perfect sense for the Mavs. I hope Daniels does well in IN...he's a good guy off the court and he's got talent around the basket. Needs to work on his jumpshot and hopefully have some better luck as far as injuries go.

5. There is always the chance that they'll try to move Croshere and his expiring contract for another piece that they like.

[mabber]

1. James is NOT signed. He's in MN today talking to the T-wolves.

2. KVH's contact is DONE. He won't be back. (unless they trade Croshere and bring KVH back for CHEAP)

3. Croshere is similar to KVH, but a little better rebounder.

4. Daniels wasn't going to get PT here and his contract was too much. From a contract / salary standpoint, this trade makes perfect sense for the Mavs. I hope Daniels does well in IN...he's a good guy off the court and he's got talent around the basket. Needs to work on his jumpshot and hopefully have some better luck as far as injuries go.

5. There is always the chance that they'll try to move Croshere and his expiring contract for another piece that they like.

What he said. I still think James will end up back in Houston.

[SenorSpur]

Just heard on local Dallas sport talk radio that Spurs are one of the teams (along with Dallas, Houston, Minny) vying for the services of Mike James.

It seems that James is seeking a 5-yr contract.

It's hard to say which team has the inside track at this point.

[Mr. Body]

I don't believe the Spurs are in there. They don't need him.

[mabber]

Just heard on local Dallas sport talk radio that Spurs are one of the teams (along with Dallas, Houston, Minny) vying for the services of Mike James.

It seems that James is seeking a 5-yr contract.

It's hard to say which team has the inside track at this point.

Dallas won't give him 5 years. They've offered 3 years so they might consider adding a 4th year as an option year. All offers being relatively equal, I'm sure Houston has the inside track on James.

[loveforthegame]

I seriously doubt the Spurs are in the running. They might have made a phone call about him but that's probably as far as it got. They won't offer him 5 years and they certainly won't throw the entire MLE at him.

[Obstructed_View]

And why would Cuban try to set Randy up? Ooooh - because you think what happens on the radio is how things are in reality.
Yeah, Mark Cuban doesn't get angry or hold grudges or anything. And obviously you love the taste of his chode.

[ducks]

spurs might be in the running because teams want to get good value for beno and want a backup point

[Mr. Body]

Mike James isn't a point. At least, isn't a point any of us should want. He's shoot first, shoot second, look for a shot third.

[mabber]

Mike James isn't a point. At least, isn't a point any of us should want. He's shoot first, shoot second, look for a shot third.

He can play either the 1 or the 2. Yeah, he likes to shoot (who doesn't?...see T.Parker), but remember he did average almost 6 assists/game on a Toronto team that needed him to be their #2 scorer for most of the year.

[Chris]

Well.... he will shoot you out of more games than he will shoot you into

co-sign

[SenorSpur]

has anyone heard some of the shit mike james has been talking this offseason? dude is nuts, hes talkin bout being a max franchise player, leading teams to championships, boxing and biting his way to the top, theres even an MP3 of a radio interview up on the realgm raps forum where he starts singing "this little light of mine..", funny shit!

i was very impressed with his play for the pistons in the playoffs, but dudes crazy. id love it if he went to the mavs and fucked with their chemistry


For real. Dude has a seemingly endless arsenal of ridiculous quotes and he's not shy about giving his overly-inflated opinion of himself.

[SenorSpur]

Update of ESPN Insider:

According to the Toronto Sun, reports indicate that Mike James is close to agreeing to terms with the Houston Rockets.

The Toronto Star reports James is scheduled to meet with representatives from the Dallas Mavericks, Houston and Minnesota Timberwolves in Las Vegas today.

[mabber]

Update of ESPN Insider:

According to the Toronto Sun, reports indicate that Mike James is close to agreeing to terms with the Houston Rockets.

The Toronto Star reports James is scheduled to meet with representatives from the Dallas Mavericks, Houston and Minnesota Timberwolves in Las Vegas today.

Somebody is wrong :lol

I think he'll end up in Houston.

[strangeweather]

Somebody is wrong :lol
Well, really, when has it ever been Galloway? :lol

[SenorSpur]

Looks like Houston may be the frontrunner. Their dumb asses never should have traded him for Rafer Alston in the first place.

[Obstructed_View]

Looks like Houston may be the frontrunner. Their dumb asses never should have traded him for Rafer Alston in the first place.
I thought Houston let him go because he was crazy. If they are trying to get him back that must suggest that he's worth the trouble. Guys with lots of talent that bounce from team to team make me nervous, especially when they are looking to get paid.

[SenorSpur]

I thought Houston let him go because he was crazy. If they are trying to get him back that must suggest that he's worth the trouble. Guys with lots of talent that bounce from team to team make me nervous, especially when they are looking to get paid.

Hadn't heard the story about him being crazy. Do you have any direct information on that? From some of his recent comments, I can see that being the case.

[mabber]

Well, really, when has it ever been Galloway? :lol

Well yeah, Galloway is another story all together :lol , but I was talking about the ESPN Insider report where one Toronto newspaper says that James is about to sign with Houston and the other Toronto newspaper says that James is meeting with Houston, Dallas & Minny in Vegas today. Both those reports can't be right. Why would James meet with the other teams if he was gonna sign with Houston? Last minute effort to get more time and/or money out of Houston? Maybe?

[rayray2k8]

Update of ESPN Insider:

According to the Toronto Sun, reports indicate that Mike James is close to agreeing to terms with the Houston Rockets.

The Toronto Star reports James is scheduled to meet with representatives from the Dallas Mavericks, Houston and Minnesota Timberwolves in Las Vegas today.
Yeah this thread should be changed.
From the look of thing, it appears M. James is going to Houston, to play with this man >> http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9072/avatar1399513crazyeyetmac4nv.gif

[strangeweather]

Well yeah, Galloway is another story all together :lol , but I was talking about the ESPN Insider report where one Toronto newspaper says that James is about to sign with Houston and the other Toronto newspaper says that James is meeting with Houston, Dallas & Minny in Vegas today. Both those reports can't be right. Why would James meet with the other teams if he was gonna sign with Houston? Last minute effort to get more time and/or money out of Houston? Maybe?
Something like that.

If you're Houston and you want the guy, you want to sign him before he goes to meet with Minny. Therefore, if you're James's agent, you make arrangements to go there to lock the Houston deal up the way you want it.

[Shank]

I know if I were Mike James that I would go running back to the team that dogged me for Skip To My Lou.

[mabber]

how much is daniels due this season?

$5.88 million I think.

[mabber]

That is a lot of money for a chump!

- signed
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/cache-240x240/arton21113-240x240.jpg


Too much money for a 4th or 5th guard that's for sure. That's why the Mavs traded him for Croshere and his expiring contract.