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Kori Ellis
07-08-2006, 04:11 PM
Harrington tops best of the rest of free agents
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The free-agent market is a little bit like a game of dominoes: When one piece falls, it leads to more movement.

For instance, Chicago's agreement with Ben Wallace meant Detroit went after Nazr Mohammed while Joel Przybilla decided to return to Portland.

So which dominoes are left to fall now that Wallace will join the Bulls and Peja Stojakovic has agreed to go to the Hornets?

The task today is to sort out what's left -- who's worth big bucks, who could end up being a bargain and who isn't worth much at all. It's even more difficult this year because there's an awful lot of chaff between the shreds of wheat.

In sizing up the market, we basically have two groups.

In one group is what I call "the big five" -- the five remaining free agents whose performance justifies significant, long-term deals.

Beyond them, the drop-off is severe. Nonetheless, several players receiving less attention have shown enough potential to provide significant value in coming seasons.

From 1 through 25, here's how I rank this year's "Best of the Rest":

THE BIG FIVE

1. Al Harrington, Hawks
Harrington is young (26), talented (18.6 ppg), and proven (five straight years in double figures). That should make him a coveted asset, but now that the few teams with cap space and a need for a forward have committed their dollars, he might find himself in a tight spot.

Harrington's lone path to fair market value is to piece together a sign-and-trade deal, always a difficult proposition. That's doubly true now that a judge has limited the Hawks' squabbling ownership to one-year contracts (although that won't affect the Speedy Claxton deal).

Plus, the Hawks aren't terribly interested in retaining Harrington because they already have a crowd at the forward spots.

Indiana remains the leader in the clubhouse on the sign-and-trade front, but this might take awhile.

2. Drew Gooden, Cavaliers (restricted)
People aren't piling in with offers because of Gooden's tendency to lose focus on defense. I think that's a mistake. Step back and look at the bigger picture, and you'll see the guy piled up 15.5 points and 12.2 boards per 40 minutes while shooting 51.2 percent from the floor. His numbers from the year before were even better.

He's also quick enough to step out on pick-and-rolls and defend guards, and long enough to challenge shots in the paint, which helps make up for the periodic brain cramps. Also, he's only 24 -- it's rare to come across a talented frontcourt player of that age in free agency.

Yet with offers hardly flooding in because of Gooden's restricted free agent status, he could end up settling for the Cavs' one-year tender.

3. Chris Wilcox, SuperSonics (restricted)
I love it when agents get upset because a team won't match another's foolishness.

Apparently, Wilcox's people are deeply annoyed that the Sonics won't offer him the same six-year, $60 million deal the Nuggets gave Nene. You know, because it worked out so well last year with Samuel Dalembert, Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry.

Wilcox isn't worth $60 million, but he'll get more than the midlevel. Like Gooden, he's young (23) and a spectacular finisher who shoots a high percentage but struggles on defense. However, 2005-06 was the first time he'd played well for a long stretch, and that 57.1 percent shooting mark doesn't seem sustainable.

4. Bonzi Wells, Kings
Wells put together a second straight solid season -- and behaved better, too. That said, I think people got a little carried away about his playoff performance. Wells still is an inconsistent shooter and prone to turnovers, and questions about his attitude will always linger.

Additionally, if he signs a five-year deal, he'll be 34 by the end of the contract. Add it up, and I'd be skittish about giving him any more than my midlevel exception and reluctant to give him the full five years.

(By the way, if your name happens to be Joe Dumars and you're reading this, do not pair Bonzi with Rasheed Wallace. I repeat, do not do this. I know you think it will work out OK, but it won't. Putting those two together is like feeding a soon-to-be Gremlin after midnight. Trust me.)

5. Mike James, Raptors
He's coming off a great year, but he's also a 31-year-old point guard who never had played this well before, so teams are bidding nervously. Like Wells, he's probably worth the midlevel exception, but not on a five-year deal -- he'll be lucky to get more than three.

The esteemed Mr. Line reports that the bidding is down to Houston, Dallas and Minnesota. The logical destination would seem to be Houston, because the Rockets' attitude toward this season could best be described as, "Let's make one last push to win big now before Tracy's back blows up for good, and worry about the consequences later." Inking James fits that plan perfectly.

THE LITTLE 20

Instead of this little one-paragraph interlude between James and the next guy on our list, just imagine a giant precipice. Like, say, the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. Next, imagine players 1 through 5 in my list at the top and the rest of these guys at the bottom.

Now, continue:

6. Jackie Butler, Knicks (restricted)
He's 21 years old and already a productive NBA center. This past season, he shot 54.4 percent and averaged 15.7 points per 40 minutes. He's turnover-prone and needs to get in better shape, but if you look at the crazy money teams are throwing at other centers, it's surprising nobody has made a strong move for Butler. His restricted status probably isn't helping.

7. Trevor Ariza, Magic (restricted)
I'm a bit surprised Ariza hasn't received more attention, either. He's still only 21 and is already a decent NBA backup.

Outside of the top five, Butler, Ariza and Marcus Banks are the only ones with any kind of star potential (using the word "star" extremely loosely here), and none seems to be getting much love right now.

8. Marcus Banks, Timberwolves
An unrestricted free agent because Boston didn't pick up his option year when he was a Celtic, Banks played fairly well once he came to Minnesota at midseason. He's still a poor shooter and has some problems running the point, but he's as good at pressuring the ball as anyone this side of Lindsey Hunter and made an encouraging boost in his field goal percentage a year ago.

9. Eddie House, Suns
House's past two seasons have been extremely productive. He averaged a whopping 22.5 points per 40 minutes in Phoenix a year ago and 17.8 for three clubs the year before (yet somehow managed to get cut twice).

He'll be looking for another wide-open offense to join in 2006-07 as a spark plug off the bench. A return to Phoenix remains possible.

10. Darius Songaila, Bulls (restricted)
An extremely proficient midrange shooter, Songaila doesn't bring much else to the table and, at 6-8, is a bit short for the power forward spot. Nonetheless, his scoring knack will help somebody's second unit, and with Chicago adding P.J. Brown and Tyrus Thomas, Songaila likely will be looking for a new home.

11. Keith Van Horn, Mavericks
So, let me see if I have this straight: Tim Thomas gets $24 million and Vlad Radmanovic gets $31 million, but Van Horn is twisting in his knee-high socks waiting for a phone call? Somebody want to tell me what the difference is between those three soft, 6-10 jump shooters?

Yes, Van Horn is the oldest of the three, but last time I checked, Van Horn has had the best career of the bunch and, on a per-minute basis, he was the best in 2005-06, as well.

12. Tony Delk, Pistons
Although Delk hasn't played much of late, he has played extremely well. His 40-minute scoring averages the past two years were 19.9 and 19.1, respectively, and although his age (32) is cause for concern, it's not as though Delk is dependent on his athleticism -- he's just going to come off the bench and bury midrange jumpers. That makes him a good value on a short-term deal.

13. Fred Jones, Pacers (restricted)
You could argue that Jones shouldn't be rated this high -- he's not nearly as good offensively as some people imagine -- but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he was playing hurt last season. He was a pretty effective bench player the year before, and he's only 27, so I'd expect him to be one again next season.

14. Melvin Ely, Bobcats (restricted)
Ely quietly enjoyed a productive year in Charlotte, and he has been coveted by New Jersey for some time. However, he has three strikes against him. First, because he played in college forever, he's already 28. Second, he's a restricted free agent, so the Bobcats can match any offer. Finally, 2005-06 was his first good year, so teams might be reluctant to use that as a basis for an offer.

15. Jumaine Jones, Bobcats
He's 27 -- it only seems as though he's 90. And Jones has put together a pair of reasonably effective seasons in two very different environments, first as a member of Kobe's supporting crew in L.A., then in a much more prominent role in Charlotte. He shouldn't be starting, but his ability to play both forward spots, hit 3s from the corner and rebound should net him half of somebody's midlevel exception.

16. Anthony Parker
The "other" Tony Parker has played in Israel the past few years for Maccabi Tel Aviv. I left him out of my projected stats for European players because I didn't think he'd make the jump across the pond this year, but now I'm reading that Toronto is making a strong push for him.

Parker was a flop as a first-round pick almost a decade ago, and his translated stats from this past year aren't that great (11.95 PER). However, his numbers from a year earlier were much more impressive (15.96), and those are consistent with the rest of his European career. Either way, he projects as a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type who will fill the stat sheet but won't score that much.

17. Shavlik Randolph, 76ers (restricted)
Undrafted after a wholly unimpressive career at Duke, Randolph was a pleasant surprise as a rookie with the 76ers. Although limited offensively, he shot a decent percentage on his chances around the basket and was better than advertised on the glass. At 22, he still has room to get better.

18. DerMarr Johnson, Nuggets
Johnson had some productive outbursts in Denver, especially two years ago, but George Karl never really took a shine to him and he was riding the pine by the end of the year. With his length at 6-9 and his ability to hit 3-pointers and score in transition, Johnson should be able to find a role somewhere.

19. Reggie Evans, Nuggets
The Nutcracker is almost completely one-dimensional, but he is so good in that dimension that he still has value. Evans led the NBA in RR (rebound rate) for a second straight season, so despite his offensive limitations, he should be a target for a board-starved club such as, say, Minnesota or New Jersey.

20. Jarron Collins, Jazz
The twin brother of the Nets' Jason, this Collins brings a similar skill set to the table -- outstanding team defense, limited rebounding and the occasional midrange jump shot. He's not quite as exceptional a defender as his brother but is more than good enough to get paid in the current wacky environment for centers.

21. Lorenzen Wright, Grizzlies
Wright has declined the past two years and is 30 years old, so buyer beware. All the same, he hasn't been that bad, and one has to wonder whether part of the decline was from getting his undersized butt kicked every night playing center for Memphis. If he moved back to his natural power forward spot and crashed the boards for 15 minutes a night off the bench, he might have a few productive years left.

22. Jared Jeffries, Wizards (restricted)
He supposedly is getting a lot of interest, which surprises me in light of the fact that he's not any good. Yes, he had some nice moments defensively against LeBron James in the playoffs, but he also went 36 minutes without scoring a basket in the clinching Game 6 and shot 39.5 percent for the series.

Besides, nobody's comparing him to Bruce Bowen, and he needs to be that good an on-ball defender because the rest of his game is so poor. Jeffries' career high in points per 40 minutes is a meager 10.4 in 2004-05. Also, he is nothing special on the boards, makes way too many turnovers and is worse than Tim Duncan from the foul line. Anybody paying the full midlevel exception for this package will end up horribly disappointed.

23. Ronald Dupree, Timberwolves
Now here's somebody who does the same things Jeffries does and will cost about a tenth as much. Although teams will focus on Jeffries, Devean George and Rasual Butler in the small forward market, you'd have a hard time convincing me Dupree isn't at least as good. Sure, he has played less than the other guys, but look at the production -- he hasn't played any worse. He also might be the best defender of the bunch.

24. DeShawn Stevenson, Magic
Stevenson opted out of his contract and supposedly is looking for a deal worth the midlevel exception. I'll let the fact that I've ranked him below Jeffries speak for my feelings on whether he's worth that much. Although Stevenson is still young (25) and is a pretty good defender, his knack for taking jumpers a foot inside the 3-point line is a quiet killer offensively, and that's his primary "weapon" right now.

25. Ronald (Flip) Murray, Cavaliers
Murray has a great first step and should have benefited as much as anyone from the rules changes preventing contact on the perimeter, but his past two years have been brutal. He still has that stellar start to 2003-04 on his résumé, though, so perhaps he just needs the right environment.

Kori Ellis
07-08-2006, 04:12 PM
Finally someone sees that Jared Jeffries just isn't that good.

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:17 PM
Hey, I've been arguing against Jared Jeffries for a while now... since we were both Hoosiers.

violentkitten
07-08-2006, 04:21 PM
reggie evans and jumaine jones splitting the mle would solve a lot of problems

shaggy17
07-08-2006, 04:22 PM
None of those guys are coming to the our team unless they accept the vets minimum. We are getting close to the luxary Tax threshold and we do not care if we have to waste Duncans prime to avoid it. :blah

-Spurs Front Office

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:23 PM
I'd rather have Ariza over Jumaine Jones. Jones is a career backup and seems decent, but Ariza has a knack for playing the game, is much younger with more 'upside.'

I wouldn't mind Reggie Evans and a run for Trevor Ariza.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 04:23 PM
6. Jackie Butler, Knicks (restricted)

7. Trevor Ariza, Magic (restricted)

8. Marcus Banks, Timberwolves


Any two of these three is where I'd go.

Kori Ellis
07-08-2006, 04:23 PM
10. Darius Songaila, Bulls (restricted)
An extremely proficient midrange shooter, Songaila doesn't bring much else to the table and, at 6-8, is a bit short for the power forward spot.

I thought he was wrong about Songaila being short, but then I found his pre-draft measurements. He measured 6'8 without shoes.

picnroll
07-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Qyntel Woods not even on the radar screen.

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Hasn't Banks demonstrated much more interest for too-much money than actual basketball?

violentkitten
07-08-2006, 04:24 PM
ariza would be nice but is restricted so scratch him off

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:26 PM
I don't agree 100% with the rankings but I agree that Ariza and Butler should be high and that Jeffries and Stevenson should be pretty low.

Ronald Dupree is a name I haven't thought of that could make sense. Remember the Spurs wanted him last season but at the last second the T'Wolves traded for him instead of letting the Pistons waive him. He could make sense this year.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 04:27 PM
I thought he was wrong about Songaila being short, but then I found his pre-draft measurements. He measured 6'8 without shoes.

Kori, do you know where I could get wing span measurements for players?

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:27 PM
Qyntel Woods not even on the radar screen.

Yeah I'd take Woods over half that list.

picnroll
07-08-2006, 04:28 PM
Butler and Woods and call it a day.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 04:28 PM
Jackie Butler with enough experience and coaching could be better than Nazr.

Tervor is a bad free throw shooter but he can dunk, creat his own shot, pass, defend etc.

He's also 6'8. Could backup Bowen very nicely.

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:29 PM
Jackie Butler with enough experience and coaching could be better than Nazr.

Tervor is a bad free throw shooter but he can dunk, creat his own shot, pass, defend etc.

He's also 6'8. Could backup Bowen very nicely.

And a 7'+ wingspan.

picnroll
07-08-2006, 04:30 PM
Woods has the whole package basketball-wise. He's more talented and a better decision maker than Stephen Jackson by a long shot. He can even handle the ball PG-wise as well as Barry making Barry that much more expendable.

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Woods isn't a 'Spurs type player'. Not my formulation.

Songaila is a good bench player in this league, but not on this team. We should always remember him as the player who effectively ended Malik's career in San Antonio-- he was the one who, after Rose threw the ball into the stands and famously stuffed his shirt over his head, took advantage and ran downcourt for an easy 2. Malik was yanked and barely played again.

violentkitten
07-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Woods has the whole package basketball-wise. He's more talented and a better decision maker than Stephen Jackson by a long shot. He can even handle the ball PG-wise as well as Barry making Barry that much more expendable.

his dog fights are better too

picnroll
07-08-2006, 04:33 PM
Woods isn't a 'Spurs type player'. Not my formulation.

Pop's already tried to acquire Woods so that argument won't fly.

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:33 PM
Woods isn't a 'Spurs type player'. Not my formulation.


Pop always likes to have one bad apple. It's actually part of his lockerroom plan.

Right now the Spurs are bad apple free.

:smokin

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:34 PM
Pop's already tried to acquire Woods so that argument won't fly.

Twice.

Bob Lanier
07-08-2006, 04:34 PM
It's hard to call a second-round pick a bust, but given all the hype around Ariza - he's a bust. While he has a good rebound rate for a 3 and can dunk, it's hard to watch him for any extended period of time and expect he'll do anything as a professional.

If he thinks Jared Jeffries isn't that good, I find it hard to conceive that he thinks Ariza is a better prospect, since Ariza is Jeffries minus the defense and intelligent approach to the game.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 04:35 PM
Is Woods R or UR?

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:35 PM
Asking about Woods is one thing, acquiring him is another. He did get Glenn Robinson for about 30 games, then dumped him. He's kicked Mercer out, etc.

Taking a low-risk 'bad apple' player is one thing. Meaning: very inexpensive. How expensive will Woods be? The Spurs won't overpay for him and I'm sure 'paying market value' is overpaying to them.

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Bob Lanier, with all due respect to your awesome game, I think you're wrong about Ariza. The guy has a true nose for the ball, hustles his ass off, and is given to spectacular plays -- dunks, sure, but also steals, surprising defensive moves, offensive boards.

The guy may never learn how to shoot, he may never be more than an inconsistent player, he may always be headstrong and a bit wild. But he loves to play, he's 21, should pay dividends under a good coach (that likes rookies), and could be dynamite as a hungry bench guy.

picnroll
07-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Doubt Woods will cost much. If he can get PT and rehabilitate his career with the Spurs, particularly if he showed up in the playoffs, it would be win - win for he and the Spurs.

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Asking about Woods is one thing, acquiring him is another. He did get Glenn Robinson for about 30 games, then dumped him. He's kicked Mercer out, etc.

Taking a low-risk 'bad apple' player is one thing. Meaning: very inexpensive. How expensive will Woods be? The Spurs won't overpay for him and I'm sure 'paying market value' is overpaying to them.

Spurs offered a first round pick for him in the past. They also offered him a contract before he signed with the Heat.

All he had to do was accept and he'd still be a Spur today.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Tony/Banks
Manu/Finley
Bowen/Woods
Tim/Horry/Bonner
Butler/Javtokas/Oberto

- Sean Marks/Donta Smith

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 04:38 PM
Spurs offered a first round pick for him in the past. They also offered him a contract before he signed with the Heat.

All he had to do was accept and he'd still be a Spur today.

Why didn't he accept?

Was Miami offering more?

Doesn't matter, they traded him a week later.

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:38 PM
*shrugs* on Woods

Okay. He's not the answer for backup SF but whatever. For a one year try-out, sure.

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Why didn't he accept?

Was Miami offering more?

Doesn't matter, they traded him a week later.

He thought at the time he could get more playing time with the Heat.

violentkitten
07-08-2006, 04:39 PM
jones would be a capable, affordable small forward for the spurs and his game fits what the spurs need

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Tony/Banks
Manu/Finley
Bowen/Woods
Tim/Horry/Bonner
Butler/Javtokas/Oberto

- Sean Marks/Donta Smith

Banks wants to start and get the full MLE.

JamStone
07-08-2006, 04:40 PM
Jared Jeffries is perfect for a team that is already very good and just needs a player who will fit in. He defends and can guard all five positions, four of the rather well. He doesn't demand the ball. He doesn't force shots. He runs the floor.

On a team like San Antonio, which alread has its top three go-to players on offense, he would be very good. If a team was looking for him to be the #2 guy on the team, he isn't worth it. It all depends on the team, the system, and what they expect from him.

timvp
07-08-2006, 04:41 PM
jones would be a capable, affordable small forward for the spurs and his game fits what the spurs need

Jones hits the spotup three and can rebound very well for a small forward.

He does fit rather well.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 04:41 PM
Banks wants to start and get the full MLE.

I was thinking S&T with Minny. Send Barry and Beno.

ducks
07-08-2006, 04:41 PM
if mike james goes to wolves
what does bank do?
are they starting teams out there where he can start?

ducks
07-08-2006, 04:42 PM
would banks start with dallas?

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 04:43 PM
Banks wants bank. That's it. Not the kind of player you want on a contender.

NuGGeTs-FaN
07-08-2006, 04:59 PM
im tellng ya, you guys need DJ (Dermarr Johnson), he is exactly the kinda player that Pop could help flourish. Karl is an idiot who has wasted DJ's talents by leaving him on the bench.

Remember that 32-8 run the Nuggets had after Karl came? DJ was the starting SG then and then Karl decided to bench him in the 2nd game of the first round vs you guys and look at what happened :drunk

For the sake of all us on the 'Free DJ' bandwagon, please take him out of the wasted space that is Karl's rotation.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 05:09 PM
Weren't the Spurs close to signing him? But then re decided to resign with Denver.

Or am I wrong?

NuGGeTs-FaN
07-08-2006, 05:11 PM
not sure. But he would be worth looking at again, he can play the 3 very nicely as well as the 2

of course i hope he re-signs with Denver BUT only if GK stops being a fool with DJ's minutes. He should be our starting SG, no questions asked :smokin

timvp
07-08-2006, 05:12 PM
Weren't the Spurs close to signing him? But then re decided to resign with Denver.

Or am I wrong?

Wrong.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 05:12 PM
Woods or Johnson as the back up to Bowen wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 05:13 PM
Wrong.

I thought so.

But am I right that the Spurs pursued once?

timvp
07-08-2006, 05:19 PM
I thought so.

But am I right that the Spurs pursued once?

Not that I know of.

Spurs fans wanted him last year. That's about it.

Buddy Holly
07-08-2006, 05:21 PM
Qestion, can any of these players (Woods, Johnson, Butler) be signed with the vet min?

Slinkyman
07-08-2006, 05:35 PM
Woods is a dirt bag, i can't believe anybody would want that SOB on this team. Where are all the people you hate on Kmart because he yells and pumps his chest when he dunks? so it's ok to raise dogs for fighting and driving around with a pound of weed and 12 AK47s but it's not ok to throw down and show off? nice.

Slinkyman
07-08-2006, 05:38 PM
Finally someone sees that Jared Jeffries just isn't that good.

Well then do you also agree the Drew Gooden is the 2nd best FA? :lol

Mr.Bottomtooth
07-08-2006, 05:48 PM
PG Parker/Udrih/CJ Watson
SG Manu/Barry(Looks like we're gonna be stuck with him.)
SF Bowen/Finley
PF Duncan/Bonner/Horry
C Javtokas/Collins(Sad to say, but I think they are really after him.)
IR1 Oberto
IR2 Sanders
IR3 D. Smith

Quadzilla99
07-08-2006, 05:52 PM
I really hope this stops the delusional love affair people have with Jeffries. Lebron averaged 35.6 ppg on 51 % fg in that series anyway and Jeffries has never gotten even 1 vote for the all defensive team in his career.

Kori Ellis
07-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Well then do you also agree the Drew Gooden is the 2nd best FA? :lol

Offensively, probably so.

I don't like him at all though :lol I'd take Wilcox for an offensive minded, non-defending bigman over Gooden any day.

Jeffries seems like a good kid, but he's horrible offensively and completely overrated by this forum defensively. He would be however the much coveted "long small forward".

Kori Ellis
07-08-2006, 05:57 PM
I think the Spurs are going to fill out the roster with players that take $2M or less. There's already 12 guys on the roster including Javtokas. So they'll probably end up with one of the cheapest of cheap bigmen, plus one more player at the minimum.

Hopefully they trade Barry for someone younger.

Quadzilla99
07-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Woods is the dirtbag who was holding violent dogfights in his basement. PASS. (and I'm not an animal lover) I think he also got arrested for weed.

Kori Ellis
07-08-2006, 05:58 PM
Woods is the dirtbag who was holding violent dogfights in his basement. PASS. (and I'm not an animal lover) I think he also got arrested for weed.

I don't know if he got arrested for weed, but he has been suspended by the league for violating the drug policy in the past.

Slinkyman
07-08-2006, 06:04 PM
Jailblazers Qyntel Woods was busted for being part of a illegal FIGHTING PIT BULL ring and sadly it was not too shocking.

Portland Jailblazer fans have become accustomed to criminal behavior, poor character, and a host of other Qyntel Woods Mugshot Pitbull Fightingnegatives when it comes to their once beloved Trailblazers.

Not only has Qyntel Woods been involved in raising fighting pit bulls but he has had several run ins with the law on seperate occasions, ranging from driving with no insurance to possession of marijuana.

This mugshot here of Qyntel, the "Animal Abuser" was taken in Bend Oregon after charges of Animal Abuse had been leveled at him.

Qyntel accepted a plea that dropped the harshest of the charges and was sentenced to 80 hours community service and some fines.

Qyntel Woods was cited for driving with a suspended license and no proof of insurance. Qyntel "Smoking" Woods was stopped by police, who found marijuana in his car. When asked to provide his driver's license and insurance, Woods allegedly gave the cops his rookie card for ID.

link (http://www.nbacriminals.com/Qyntel_Woods_Pit_Bull_Fighting.html)

Bruno
07-08-2006, 06:05 PM
Woods allegedly gave the cops his rookie card for ID.


I remember that too :lol

timvp
07-08-2006, 06:10 PM
Spurs tried to trade for him after all the legal trouble he got into. So I don't know why that'd effect anything now.

Quadzilla99
07-08-2006, 06:11 PM
Spurs tried to trade for him after all the legal trouble he got into. So I don't know why that'd effect anything now.
WOW. I didn't know that.

Aggie Hoopsfan
07-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Banks wants to start and get the full MLE.

If Pop's so in love with small ball, Banks can still start here.

Parker
Banks
Manu
Bowen
Duncan

Hey, it's what we tried on Dallas once already :/

El_Mago
07-08-2006, 06:42 PM
Could Darius Miles be on the move?

Word out of Portland is that they want to move him.

He is a long SF, and his contract comes off the books in 2010, at 9 million. Thus, making that nearly 39 million dollars coming off the books in 2010 for the Spurs...if they happen to trade and keep him.

exstatic
07-08-2006, 06:49 PM
Woods is probably the most complete and the most risky. Jumaine is a safe bet in the short run. DJ is not what I would expect from someone who almost lost their career. He still acts very immature. His rebounding is also pitiful since his accident, which is not totally a surprise.

Aggie Hoopsfan
07-08-2006, 06:51 PM
I like Jumaine Jones.

I guess at this point it's worth the risk of trying out Qyntel either.

baseline bum
07-08-2006, 06:51 PM
Here's my ranking:

remaining free agents = sucks

Quadzilla99
07-08-2006, 06:54 PM
Here's my ranking:

remaining free agents = sucks
I don't know. I'd love Al Harrington, but in terms of the ones we have a realistic shot at I'd agree.

El_Mago
07-08-2006, 06:55 PM
Barry + Oberto does work out contract wise for Miles; however, I don't think Portland would be enamored with the talent San Antonio is offering.

exstatic
07-08-2006, 06:55 PM
There are reasons that they are trying desperately to move DMiles: he is an asshole, disrespectful of the coaching staff and front office, and generally a 10 year old. His problems are with the team, problems that few other teams would want. I'd rather take a chance with someone having a few minor scrapes with the law like Woods.

baseline bum
07-08-2006, 06:57 PM
Miles would be worse than Rasho and Malik combined. 4 years, $34 million for a guy with a bad attitude and no offensive game? Miles is one of the great busts in NBA History.

jman3000
07-08-2006, 06:58 PM
he always has a string of games for maybe a week or two every season where he plays out of his mind.. then he comes back to Earth and stinks it up.

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 07:02 PM
Not on this list are two Maccabi avenging angels Maceo Baston and Nikolai Vujcic. If we're meaning this thread to be a master thread of Free Agents, we'd be remiss to not mention those guys.

Baston is on our summer league team.

El_Mago
07-08-2006, 07:12 PM
for a guy with a bad attitude and no offensive game

Miles averaged 14ppg last year, and he was on the rise, until he got hurt and his season ended.

I guess for you a guy must average 20ppg+ to even be considered to have an offensive game. :rolleyes

Slinkyman
07-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Not on this list are two Maccabi avenging angels Maceo Baston and Nikolai Vujcic. If we're meaning this thread to be a master thread of Free Agents, we'd be remiss to not mention those guys.

Baston is on our summer league team.

It would be funny if we signed the best players from europe, except Luis Scola. :lol

Mr. Body
07-08-2006, 07:21 PM
It would be funny if we signed the best players from europe, except Luis Scola. :lol

And after they beat TAU. I half expect that to be the result: sign Baston and Vujcic for practically $4 mill a piece -- they'll find a way, just to dick Scola over. :lol

Quadzilla99
07-08-2006, 07:38 PM
So there is a slight chance Harrington could have to settle for the MLE because of Atlanta's situation and the fact that teams with cap room are not interested right? I would kill to get him here.

Solid D
07-08-2006, 08:30 PM
BTW, Marko Popovic is now a Free Agent. He's been playing PG for Efes Pilsen in the Euroleague. He's probably a little slow for the Spurs but he has some skills and he can score.

http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ATP

exstatic
07-08-2006, 08:43 PM
Miles averaged 14ppg last year, and he was on the rise, until he got hurt and his season ended.

I guess for you a guy must average 20ppg+ to even be considered to have an offensive game. :rolleyes
It's a matter of efficiency. His 1.09 points per FGA is fairly pathetic. That means you're not getting to the line and you don't make 3s. Manu, who scores roughly the same ppg, goes at a rate of 1.46 points per FGA. That is the kind of player you want to surround your superstar with...efficient ones.

timvp
07-08-2006, 08:47 PM
BTW, Marko Popovic is now a Free Agent. He's been playing PG for Efes Pilsen in the Euroleague. He's probably a little slow for the Spurs but he has some skills and he can score.

http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=ATP

Doubtful the Spurs look at him. He was the product of one of Pop's scouting trips.

Mrs. Pop doesn't know about him.

:smokin

Solid D
07-08-2006, 08:47 PM
:lol

Slinkyman
07-08-2006, 10:13 PM
I can't trust that list at all, i mean KVH at #11? And then the deal breaker, Shavlik Randolph at #17? Randolph over Reggie Evans, Jarron Collins and Lorenzen Wright? He wasa pleasant surprise? 2ppg, 2rbs is a pleasant surprise? Hollinger probably has Oberto as a top 5 center in the league then. what a joke.

ChumpDumper
07-08-2006, 10:33 PM
This guys goes purely by the statistical measurements that he makes up.

I do agree that going after the unrestricted FAs is a better way to go.

I like Jones more than anybody at this point since it looks like were just talking about one guy over the minimum besides Javtokas. Can do things on both ends of the court. More than we can say for most of the guys on the list.

Trainwreck2100
07-08-2006, 10:33 PM
They all suck, that's why they are free agents

Slinkyman
07-08-2006, 10:40 PM
They all suck, that's why they are free agents

that makes no sense, al harrington doesn't suck

Sway
07-09-2006, 12:30 PM
The top five are going to get overpaid so the Spurs don’t have a chance at landing any of them. The rest of the list does however have some interesting prospects. That is if you put it in perspective, we are looking for support staff to our big 3 not major contributors. I think any of the players below would fall into this category with a couple like Butler, Ariza, and Woods having some upside. So with that being said here are the players that I think could fill our needs:

PF/C: Jackie Butler, Melvin Ely, and Reggie Evans

SF: Trevor Ariza, Qyntel Woods, Jumaine Jones, DerMarr Johnson, Ronald Dupree

Videos on the players:[removed]

Solid D
07-09-2006, 03:13 PM
Remove Marko Popovic from the FA list... He signed with Zalgiris.

Russ
07-09-2006, 05:48 PM
Don't know if this Hoopsworld free agent ranking has been posted yet:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18055.shtml

He has a fairly high opinion of Jarred Jeffries (not so sold on him) and thinks that Jeffries or DeShawn Stevenson might be coming as Bowen's eventual replacement. DeShawn Stevenson? -- talk about a nosedive in character standards.

Kori Ellis
07-09-2006, 07:01 PM
Regarding Gooden ...


Luxury tax now comes into play with Gooden
BOB FINNAN, Morning Journal Writer
07/09/2006

The next logical step for the Cavaliers in the free-agent process is to lock up power forward Drew Gooden.

But now that LeBron James has agreed to sign a maximum contract extension, the Cavaliers are moving into dangerous waters. When the first year of James' deal kicks in for the 2007-08 season, it could be worth around $13.2 million, and the Cavaliers could be on the threshold of paying the luxury tax.

That's why they don't want to go crazy on Gooden's contract.

A three-year, $18 million deal would probably be fair for Gooden -- a good complementary player. But his agent, Calvin Andrews, sees the ridiculous six-year, $60 million deal that Denver gave Nene and wonders why his client can't get something like that.

Gooden's numbers are superior to what the 6-foot-10 Nene has put up in his career. But Nene is 260 pounds and as strong as an ox, which means he can play some center in the NBA.

The Cavaliers have to be careful with Gooden's contract. One observer cautions signing Gooden to a full mid-level contract (five years, around $30 million).

Money is drying up fast. Almost all of the teams that had money have spent it. Charlotte and Toronto still have cash to spend, but have no interest in adding a power forward. Atlanta has money, but can only sign players to one-year deals, which could severely cripple the Hawks.

Not counting free agents Flip Murray, Alan Henderson and Gooden, the Cavaliers already have 13 players under contract for next year. That's counting swingman Stephen Graham, whose $664,000 deal for 2006-07 is not guaranteed.

That's why if Gooden doesn't sign an offer sheet with another team, he could always accept the Cavaliers' qualifying offer of $5.4 million and become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2007.

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16899817&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46370&rfi=6

timvp
07-09-2006, 07:13 PM
Denver giving Nene $60M was such a horrible signing. The worst part about it is that for everyone else, it bumped up every bigman's stock. If a guy who was never that good who destroyed his knee three minutes into last season gets $60M, how do you tell a Chris Wilcox, Drew Gooden or Al Harrington that they are worth less than that?

That signing and the Villanueva for Ford deal were two of the worst transactions I've ever seen.

Mr. Body
07-09-2006, 09:26 PM
Denver giving Nene $60M was such a horrible signing. The worst part about it is that for everyone else, it bumped up every bigman's stock.

Don't the owners get together every year or so? Don't they beat the crap out of the stupid owners who do this kind of crap?