****Official mookie top 10****

[mookie2001]

preseason polls are stupid
here are the top 10, so you wont have to look at any other polls

ill try to explain using bad punctuation the teams talent and chance of winning the NC

I wont drop science or anything, ive just been thinking about this a lot recently after reading the preview mags and listening to sportstalk radio all day at work


1. TEXAS

yeah naturally right?
think about it, any other team ranked number 1, sounds even more rediculous, so it might as well be the champs, with the best offensive line and defense in the country

the whole season shall be played on week 2
ohio st has more to work on than the horns do, by week 2, texas should be a more complete team

what the shit do yall think chizik has been doing all offseason?, talking to gary darnell?

anyway horns win this game, then they have the "confidence" ( i hate this word), to bomar the sooners

2. LSU

i have to give it to them until they lose a game
their Dline is outlandish, they have a qb with experience, talent at the skills

but it wont matter because they have little chance of winning the NC out of the sec
still if any team from the sec is playing in the fiesta bowl, its lsu

3. AUBURN

even though i still think theyre overrated, so are a bunch of other shitty teams

the schedule is too rough though, even though ill rank them the third best team in the nation


4. OHIO ST

troy smith and ted ginn will win them some games, they lost a shitload of talent to the nfl

my big 10 champs
after they lose in week 2, theyll actually be rewarded for losing to texas like they were last year and be pretty high in the bcs all season

5. FLORIDA

the sec is loaded at the top, and urban meyers has his own thread and video game
leak is great but tebow will be even better next year
maybe a great team, but good look with the bcs and the losses theyll have at the end of the season

4. MICHIGAN

even though hart and henne had a daniel gibson like so. years, michigan should bounce back and contend for the NC, they have talent everywhere


7. WEST VIRGINIA
pat white is overrated just because he played as a fr., their tailback is the star

and they fucking rolled Georgia up and smoked them last year

sadly because of how the big east was chode bloadded a few years ago, WV has a very good chance of playing in the fiesta bowl, and being ranked a shitload higher than number 7 (which is already stretching it)

8. OKLAHOMA
they arent that shitty, AD(AP) will be one cocky sob and rightfully so

their oline and secondary are not OU like
stoopes will not have a chance to lose the NC this year though


9. SOUTHERN CAL

with the talent theyve stockpiled, it may take a few years to contend
theyve got two incredible wideouts and offensive line

good thing for them the pac10 is horrible
rose bowl loss to ohio st

10. NOTRE DAME

good passing game, good coach, good tv network
incredibly overrated though
if anyone thought espn stroked off Lienart last year, just wait until brady quinn doesnt suffer a season ending injury before week 5

i dont know how else to say this
ONE MUST HAVE A DEFENSE TO WIN A COLLEGE FOOTBALL NC

I know they have a tough schedule, they do every year
that might be a good excuse if they annually lost, 1, 2, or 3 games, but they dont.

last year tennesse was ranked liked 3 when they beat them
that was hilarrrious

anyway because they are notre dame they will be the highest ranked 1 loss team, highest ranked 2 loss team, 3 loss team and so on

does anyone know the last time nd won a bowl game?
elpimpo?
anyone have the internets?

[cecil collins]

1993 cotton bowl against...the aggies. 24-21 (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/NotreDame.htm)
Notre Dame is more detestable then Duke.

[Brutalis]

LSU #2? Come on dude. If you don't keep up with the SEC let me tell ya what us fans of it already know. They're breathing on the last legs of Nick Saban's old recruits. This team is falling right on their face and won't be the LSU we have known in years past. To put them at #2 and me post this at SECFanatics would have me given +100 for the laugh of the day.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He did say they wont get out of the SEC....if i read it correctly, mookie is estimating the rankings, not exactly saying that he thinks LSU is "the second best team in the nation"


Also, the Horns bashers should address one strong point of mookie's post:

What the *stuuuffff* do yall think our Defensive Coordinator has been doing this entire offseason? Noone can legitimately argue that our defense got worse over this offseason. In fact, Texas D has been showing nothing but improvements for hte last decade. Gene's schemes may have licked balls in the NFL, but they are kicking ass in the NCAA and going to win us many a games while our young chinstrap quarterback gets his bearings.


We have the best Linebacker core in the nation, deep as hell. Only real weakness (and it is a big one) is our young QB. But the D will hold down the fort until he has a Bomar-esque second half of the season.

[johngateswhiteley]

my thoughts:

1.i'd put USC in the top 5 easy. they have so much talent its ridiculous

2.though notre dame will be better than last year, they will probably have 3 losses

3. t.u. is not even close to a top 10 team, probably about 14-15

4. lsu, auburn, michigan, and oklahoma are all ranked too high

5. t.u. eats shit

[johngateswhiteley]

usc in top 5

:lol


in the words of my buddy corso, NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!


thats what people don't understand:

1. Pete C. is the best coach in CFB
2. USC's recruits are always the best by star ratings, the quality of recruits they get blows t.u. away as well as other schools
3. USC has much experience and game breakers still on the team

[scott]

I'd put UT around 6-8, USC out of the Top 10.

[johngateswhiteley]

i disagree with all three of those statements


...well, thats why you're an idiot.

[johngateswhiteley]

we'll see who's bumping what thread come january

...just so you know, everything i say is in jest...no hard feelings (just a disclaimer). that is except for my thread in The Club about the ticket 760 lineup....those guys suck hard.

but, yes, we will see who is around come january. USC will be in the championship game....you watch.

[cecil collins]

I'll watch them lose to Notre Dame, which isn't easy.

[johngateswhiteley]

I'll watch them lose to Notre Dame, which isn't easy.


...think so? it took overgrown turf, a huge homefield advantage, and two weeks of preparation for notre dame to ALMOST beat USC. and you think USC will lose at HOME....i don't think so.

[cecil collins]

Pretty sure USC lost some guys, I think I read that somewhere.

[Mr Dio]

thats what people don't understand:

1. Pete C. is the best coach in CFB
Mack has the same # of BCS trophies doesn't he?
Who was the head coach of the Jan '06 Rose Bowl USC Trojans? Whoever it was that person DIDN'T have Reggie Bush on the field for their 4th & 1 in the 4th. Pure genius!

2. USC's recruits are always the best by star ratings, the quality of recruits they get blows t.u. away as well as other schools.
Are you speaking of those quality recruits that were on the field vs UT in Jan '06?


3. USC has much experience and game breakers still on the team
Indeed. Does that mean UT doesn't?

[johngateswhiteley]

1. 48-4 in the last four seasons, including a tremendous streak
2. two national championships
3. go and look at the recruiting classes at either rivals or scout
4. btw, anybody is capable of losing A GAME, that has no bearing on overall class strength....especially one in which USC handed to t.u.

[Brutalis]

I think it's funny how ever since Texas beat USC some of you act like USC ain't shit anymore.

When the bottom line is if you guys played this season instead of OSU you would get beat. Vince carried UT last year and that's the only reason you won the NT.

Try to be realistic here.

Sure the line blocked just enough, but scoring 38 on your defense isn't anything to brag about. Young was the only reason UT was even in the game. And that's all that matters in the end, you guys are the Champs none the less.

But play that game now, and you stand just as much of a chance as Arkansas does in their season opener against them. Whom ESPN and Phil Steele have already claimed anything less than 9-3 for Arkansas is a huge failure.

USC is top 5, Texas is top 10. Texas fans of course considering the arrogance don't see that one man carried that team out of a few rough games and that one man is not there anymore.

In other words the 07' Horns look better than this 06' Horns team coming up, once some of your nice recruits get a year under their belt.

And to Dio- Don't compare just last year to make a point. (like when you say 06' over and over.) Because it's all history. You might as well mention who won the BCS the two years before it if you wanna talk about history.

[Brutalis]

1. 48-4 in the last four seasons, including a tremendous streak
2. two national championships
3. go and look at the recruiting classes at either rivals or scout
4. btw, anybody is capable of losing A GAME, that has no bearing on overall class strength....especially one in which USC handed to t.u.
Goto any other forums on the net besides some Texas one and they'll agree that USC recruits are better, and this years team looks better on paper. It's just the Texas fans. But after winning a NT after years and years I guess the arrogance has somewhat of a point now.

[johngateswhiteley]

I think it's funny how ever since Texas beat USC some of you act like USC ain't shit anymore.

When the bottom line is if you guys played this season instead of OSU you would get beat. Vince carried UT last year and that's the only reason you won the NT.

Try to be realistic here.

Sure the line blocked just enough, but scoring 38 on your defense isn't anything to brag about. Young was the only reason UT was even in the game. And that's all that matters in the end, you guys are the Champs none the less.

But play that game now, and you stand just as much of a chance as Arkansas does in their season opener against them. Whom ESPN and Phil Steele have already claimed anything less than 9-3 for Arkansas is a huge failure.

USC is top 5, Texas is top 10. Texas fans of course considering the arrogance don't see that one man carried that team out of a few rough games and that one man is not there anymore.

In other words the 07' Horns look better than this 06' Horns team coming up, once some of your nice recruits get a year under their belt.

And to Dio- Don't compare just last year to make a point. (like when you say 06' over and over.) Because it's all history. You might as well mention who won the BCS the two years before it if you wanna talk about history.


no doubt. t.u. fans (my friends that went to the school) always ask me what is life going to be like without Bush, Leinart, and White....and i am like you just lost VY!!! that was half your team and the qb coming in now has never taken a snap. while on the other hand, USC will have a great defense and an offense that should still be tremendous.

...now Brutalis, you seem like a level-headed guy....something that apparently is lacking in this college sports forum. so i won't be ragging on you when USC beats Arkansas in the opener. however, i don't think it will be a complete disaster like it was last year....just keep handing it off to your backs!

[Mr Dio]

So am I hearing that Pete C has 2 BCS trophies?
Check the history again.

41-38 was & is still the score last time I checked.
Who had 41? All the jealous UT haters have yet to sack up & realize it.
So, who did score 41? Hmmm, wonder if there is any sackage that can admit who WON.
A little realism please.


VY is a once in a lifetime player. Now what Brut?

Yeah, UT got handed the game....................trophy!
No team is unbeaten forever.
UT was last yr though!

Hmmm, who did win the last 2, 3 or 5 BCS games?
I'm looking, No, don't see see Ark on that list Brut. Was that your point? Are you freakin' serious?????

With Ark returning the # of players that they do on O & D anything worse than a 2 loss season is a failure.
I'm sure some ARK fans will disagree but then again, that is realism. I'd bet against ARK to lose only 2 games ALL YEAR because of the fickle fans they have.

[Mr Dio]

A serious lack of rational is INDEED not present in here.

[johngateswhiteley]

So am I hearing that Pete C has 2 BCS trophies?
Check the history again.

41-38 was & is still the score last time I checked.
Who had 41? All the jealous UT haters have yet to sack up & realize it.
So, who did score 41? Hmmm, wonder if there is any sackage that can admit who WON.
A little realism please.


VY is a once in a lifetime player. Now what Brut?

Yeah, UT got handed the game....................trophy!
No team is unbeaten forever.
UT was last yr though!

Hmmm, who did win the last 2, 3 or 5 BCS games?
I'm looking, No, don't see see Ark on that list Brut. Was that your point? Are you freakin' serious?????

With Ark returning the # of players that they do on O & D anything worse than a 2 loss season is a failure.
I'm sure some ARK fans will disagree but then again, that is realism. I'd bet against ARK to lose only 2 games ALL YEAR because of the fickle fans they have.

apparently you are having some trouble with this. but the BCS does not and never has decided the national champion. it is only suppose to put the 1 & 2 teams together. until a playoff system is put into place, if ever, the AP and Coaches Poll will always and only decide the champion.

...so you can stop right there.

[Mr Dio]

apparently you are having some trouble with this. but the BCS does not and never has decided the national champion. it is only suppose to put the 1 & 2 teams together. until a playoff system is put into place, if ever, the AP and Coaches Poll will always and only decide the champion.

...so you can stop right there.


So you are saying the BCS Championship game doesn't decide the National Champs? :lol
Lack of common sense there is.

You are missing the obvious son.
Maybe you should stick to the Political or Basketball forums?
Something that you'd feel more comfy in.

[Brutalis]

So am I hearing that Pete C has 2 BCS trophies?
Check the history again.

Uh yeah. 2003 Rose 2004 Orange.


41-38 was & is still the score last time I checked.
Who had 41? All the jealous UT haters have yet to sack up & realize it.
So, who did score 41? Hmmm, wonder if there is any sackage that can admit who WON.
A little realism please.

Try to stay on topic. Nobody is saying shit about that. That's just your stupidity moaning on and on about something nobody here is debating Mr. Genius.



VY is a once in a lifetime player. Now what Brut?

For UT and it's fans.


Yeah, UT got handed the game....................trophy!
No team is unbeaten forever.
UT was last yr though!

This is twice you have mumbled on about nothing that has to do with this thread. Good job.



Hmmm, who did win the last 2, 3 or 5 BCS games?
I'm looking, No, don't see see Ark on that list Brut. Was that your point? Are you freakin' serious?????

With Ark returning the # of players that they do on O & D anything worse than a 2 loss season is a failure.
I'm sure some ARK fans will disagree but then again, that is realism. I'd bet against ARK to lose only 2 games ALL YEAR because of the fickle fans they have.

Of course you don't. Instead of having fickle fans we have a fickle coach. Congrats to us? There was no point speaking of Arkansas except for we have just as much of a chance of beating them this year than Texas would if you played. Try reading the text you originally quoted dude. You're making 3 of my friends in this room laugh thinking you're drunk or something.

I could accept anything worse than 2 loss is a failure. But I'm going with a 10-3 year counting a bowl game and maybe a SEC title game.

PS- The next time you wanna debate something try not to get personal. Seems through every mind boggling ignorance of a post you make to people on Spurstalk you always get personal. Congrats to the internet bully, you're just so cool.

[Brutalis]

no doubt. t.u. fans (my friends that went to the school) always ask me what is life going to be like without Bush, Leinart, and White....and i am like you just lost VY!!! that was half your team and the qb coming in now has never taken a snap. while on the other hand, USC will have a great defense and an offense that should still be tremendous.

...now Brutalis, you seem like a level-headed guy....something that apparently is lacking in this college sports forum. so i won't be ragging on you when USC beats Arkansas in the opener. however, i don't think it will be a complete disaster like it was last year....just keep handing it off to your backs!

Rahahah you obviously don't keep up with SEC sports but you're on the west coast so who can blame ya? Arkansas isn't going to shock anybody if we beat USC. We have a top 5 or 10 run game, offensive line in the nation and SI.com's 7th best QB tandem. And they are only a Soph and a Freshman. So it's all good.

[Mr Dio]

Try to be realistic here.

Sure the line blocked just enough, but scoring 38 on your defense isn't anything to brag about. Young was the only reason UT was even in the game. And that's all that matters in the end, you guys are the Champs none the less.


Try to lose your stupidity.
You're the dumbass that brought up points scored in the game.
You're not man enough to apologize though.

[Mr Dio]

Uh yeah. 2003 Rose 2004 Orange.
So the 2004 was The BCS Championship game???? You Hawggies sure know your football! :lol

. You're making 3 of my friends in this room laugh thinking you're drunk or something.
So the girls had a sleepover? :lol


I could accept anything worse than 2 loss is a failure. But I'm going with a 10-3 year counting a bowl game and maybe a SEC title game.

PS- The next time you wanna debate something try not to get personal. Seems through every mind boggling ignorance of a post you make to people on Spurstalk you always get personal. Congrats to the internet bully, you're just so cool.
When you're man enough to sack up & start practicing what you're trying to preach, No Prob.

[cecil collins]

no doubt. t.u. fans (my friends that went to the school) always ask me what is life going to be like without Bush, Leinart, and White....and i am like you just lost VY!!! that was half your team and the qb coming in now has never taken a snap. while on the other hand, USC will have a great defense and an offense that should still be tremendous.


Okay, and who are your QB's? It's not like they are overly game tested. I know Booty looks sharp, but he's coming off back surgery. I do have concerns about McCoy, but Texas has one hell of a line, and the best situation at WR since Roy and BJ. left. The defense should be hella good once again, and Chizik hasn't been involved in a loss in like 32 games or something. That said I expect USC and Texas to lose a couple of games at least. Try not to be so deluded about USC.


1. 48-4 in the last four seasons, including a tremendous streak
2. two national championships
3. go and look at the recruiting classes at either rivals or scout
4. btw, anybody is capable of losing A GAME, that has no bearing on overall class strength....especially one in which USC handed to t.u.

And you say Texas has the cocky fans.

[mookie2001]

Vince carried UT last year and that's the only reason you won the NT
brutalis you watched the game right?
texas stopped usc on 4th down
then they stopped them again to win the game

when you say stupid shit like that it makes people think youre an 18 year old chode from arkansas who likes to spout off hackneyed shit from sportscenter

[Cant_Be_Faded]

They caused LenDale White's first fumble of the season and Matt Leinart's second interception of the season, and the only real break out reggie bush play they allowed was that 30 yard sprint down the sideline, and a very long TD pass to Jarett.


Ramonce Taylor had a 36 yard TD run Brutalis, what say you about that?


And this was supposed to be an unstoppable greatest of all time team.

I guess it sucks being an ARK fan, gotta try to bring other teams down to make yourslef feel better.

[mookie2001]

i think leinart threw more than 2 ints

but david thomas was regulating

ROFL
i can defend texas winning a nc all day

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Texas got a free touchdown via the youngx2 option. But then Texas got an interception on Leinart in the 2nd quarter that was not even reviewed. So they cancelled out and I consider it an evan swap. Texas would have scored that TD with even more time for maybe another score in that dominating 2nd quarter.

[Mr Dio]

brutalis you watched the game right?
texas stopped usc on 4th down
then they stopped them again to win the game

when you say stupid shit like that it makes people think youre an 18 year old chode from arkansas who likes to spout off hackneyed shit from sportscenter


:lol

[Brutalis]

brutalis you watched the game right?
texas stopped usc on 4th down
then they stopped them again to win the game

when you say stupid shit like that it makes people think youre an 18 year old chode from arkansas who likes to spout off hackneyed shit from sportscenter

Dude VY carried you guys all year. That's all I'm saying. Some of you take it out of context as if I am saying without him you guys would have lost everything. Of course you wouldn't have been successful without him but still, VY carried Texas like Marino carried the Dolphins back in the day.

[cecil collins]

Texas got a free touchdown via the youngx2 option. But then Texas got an interception on Leinart in the 2nd quarter that was not even reviewed. So they cancelled out and I consider it an evan swap. Texas would have scored that TD with even more time for maybe another score in that dominating 2nd quarter.
Yeah, that shit would have been first down in the red zone anyway, and Texas was rolling over Carroll's terrific defensive gameplan. For a while Texas was unstoppable offensively, and I'm sure the outstanding O-line had nothing to do with it. Vince was the man, but he had some weapons.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Yeah, that shit would have been first down in the red zone anyway, and Texas was rolling over Carroll's terrific defensive gameplan. For a while Texas was unstoppable offensively, and I'm sure the outstanding O-line had nothing to do with it. Vince was the man, but he had some weapons.


They were completely utterly incapable of stopping Texas no huddle offense in the 2nd and 4th. They seriously completed 9 passes in a row, and jamaal charles was rushing out of the no huddle for like 10 yards per carry.

Pete said himself at half time they had to do something about the no huddle, but in the end, it was Greg Davis calling QB draws at the gayest possible times, coupled with good USC blitzing that stopped our offense in the 3rd.

[tlongII]

Where is Oregon in your rankings? They are definitely a Top Ten team this year. You will see when they take care of Oklahoma.

[MajorMike]

Where is Oregon in your rankings? They are definitely a Top Ten team this year. You will see when they take care of Oklahoma.


Bwahaha! I certainly hope you are right, but highly unlikley.

[tlongII]

Bwahaha! I certainly hope you are right, but highly unlikley.

They will beat Oklahoma easily in Eugene. The Ducks have a great team this year.

[johngateswhiteley]

They will beat Oklahoma easily in Eugene. The Ducks have a great team this year.


...i like Oregon a lot. i still cannot believe they lost to ou last year in the holiday bowl; i hope they destroy ou this year.

GO PAC 10!!! although, USC is going to have to bury you again....sorry.

[cecil collins]

They could beat OU, but there is no way they will destroy OU. The defense and running game will be too good for them to get blown out. It could happen maybe against a great team, but not Oregon. But why am I responding to a Tlong prediction, he always wrong.

[j-6]

http://www.hornfans.com/recruiting/huckleberry/cftitlebelt.htm

Interesting "title bout" championship ranking method with a history since the 1890's. Check it out.

[chode_regulator]

while on the other hand, USC will have a great defense !
i nominate this for quote of the year

i mean seriously great? and if you didnit already read, UT once again has a badass defense. so giving up 38 pts isnt great, considering how good usc was and the avg points they scored last year in a game AND the fact taht it was the NC game. i mean come on, who could shut out usc in that situation, other than an nfl team.

UT has great options on offense and defense. yea losing VY sucks but not as bad as losing a quarter of your starting offense

[chode_regulator]

btw nice poll mookie
funny yet truthful

[johngateswhiteley]

i nominate this for quote of the year

i mean seriously great? and if you didnit already read, UT once again has a badass defense. so giving up 38 pts isnt great, considering how good usc was and the avg points they scored last year in a game AND the fact taht it was the NC game. i mean come on, who could shut out usc in that situation, other than an nfl team.

UT has great options on offense and defense. yea losing VY sucks but not as bad as losing a quarter of your starting offense


...what does any of this have to do with anything i said?

[tlongII]

but i doubt it
:flipoff :lol

[chode_regulator]

...what does any of this have to do with anything i said?
i was juyst saying i was nominating your post for quote of the year and then going on to defend ut in a separate paragraph

english language > joo


btw ut, and johngateswhitely this is again a separate thought from your posts so please dont get confused, shut down reggie bush and owned usc as a whole on several different occasions. yes we all agree losing vy sucks but is not the end of the world and as mookie pointed out in his rankings, we still have a damn good team. and please, some respoect for the champions would be nice

[Beer is Good]

As far as I know our defense didn't get shredded by Notre Dame and Fresno State. USC's did. Enough said.