What's up with Barry? [Archive] - SpursTalk.com Forums

Amuseddaysleeper

10-21-2004, 09:44 PM

boutons

10-21-2004, 10:11 PM

yes, oops, only 3-14 thru mid-3rd qtr, 3rd cold shooting game for the Spurs best shooter. Has he forgot how to shoot?

Duncan looks like he's heading for an MVP year. 7-7 FTs!!! Go Teemee

TwoHandJam

10-21-2004, 10:32 PM

I know its just pre-season but he's shooting horrifically, I'm just worried he's gonna turn into another Hedo! Do you guys think that maybe he's shootin maybe too many 3's and needs to calm down? (even though 3's are his specialty) I hope he sorts this slump out by the time the regular season starts!
Yeah Barry is in a bit of a slump but I'm not too concerned. Any guard with career fg% of .464 after many years in the league means they are a great shooter and they'll eventually tend towards their average.

He shot 50% just last year which is exceptionally rare for a guard. Once he gets more comfortable with his new teammates and starts receiving the ball in his favorite spots, he'll be deadly I'm sure. His knack for assists alone is going to make an impact.

boutons

10-21-2004, 10:36 PM

Manu didn't suit up, resting.

Is Malik suited up? 0 minutes?

TwoHandJam

10-21-2004, 11:13 PM

Manu didn't suit up, resting.

Is Malik suited up? 0 minutes?
No, Malik didn't suit up either but he's not injured. Just Pop's decision.

SequSpur

10-21-2004, 11:18 PM

Stephen Jackson's performances are making Barry look like Hedo's twin brother.

The more that time goes by, the more stupider Pop and RC get.

It was quite simple. Pay Jackson, Keep him, and build around Parker, Jackson and Tim.

How is it possible to fuck up a Championship team?

The Spurs are now 0 and 7 since winning the first 2 Laker games in the playoffs.

Yeah, I would say we are the favorite to win it all...... Why? Because of Barry? Uh, okay.....

Pop is stupid.

1Parker1

10-21-2004, 11:22 PM

Our bench is kind of weak. I think this will hurt us in the future...

E20

10-21-2004, 11:42 PM

Spurs lost :(

timvp

10-21-2004, 11:49 PM

Barry isn't looking too hot right now. He's not hitting his shots, is making bad passes and playing bad D. I'm sure he'll be fine by the regular season.

Right?:(

Ginofan

10-21-2004, 11:50 PM

TMTTRIO

10-21-2004, 11:56 PM

I think once he gets used to the team he will play a lot better than he has in the recent games. I hope so at least so that we will have that spark off the bench.

T Park

10-22-2004, 12:01 AM

big deal.

its middle october.

its still baseball season for gosh sakes!! :)

SequSpur

10-22-2004, 12:02 AM

Nikos

10-22-2004, 12:03 AM

Just start the fucking regular season. This pre-season shit is getting old fast.

T Park

10-22-2004, 12:18 AM

So sequ,

you wouldve cut your blood brother Manu to sign Stephen Jackson??

They couldnt sign both.

Grow a brain.

Kori Ellis

10-22-2004, 12:19 AM

Sequ has already said he'd rather have Stephen Jackson than Manu.

T Park

10-22-2004, 12:25 AM

Ahh ok,

so Stephen Jackson is better than Manu + Barry???

Right right I see.

This is the same guy who sequ said "Didnt deserve to sell sodas in the SBC Center"

Flip Flop Flip Flop.

He makes John Kerry seem like George Washington.

timvp

10-22-2004, 12:33 AM

What's weird to me is Barry is playing like a giddy rookie, while Beno is playing like the seasoned vet.

:wtf

Quasar

10-22-2004, 12:52 AM

I have seen people play 3 on 3 tournaments that have never played together and they still hit shots. That's not an excuse.

While I don't often agree with sequ, I'd say he's dead on here. Any of us who plays basketball should know that shooting is a skill that's quite independent of team mates. It doesn't matter who you're teamed up with.

If you know how to shoot, it will be on 'automatic'.

I understand that maybe for the first 2 games, he could've had a small slump, but someone of his standard will rarely have such a long stretch of poor shooting... 2-12 is horrible, especially following his sucky previous showings.

Could be that he spends so much energy trying to defend well that his shooting has suffered from it though... Only excuse I can find so far.

But then again, I haven't had the chance to see any games so far...

Hope Barry doesn't catch the Spur "poor shooting" syndrome. At least he's still hitting his FTs :)

timvp

10-22-2004, 12:53 AM

Keep in mind that one of those two made shots was a layup.

TMTTRIO

10-22-2004, 01:00 AM

Another thing is I hope he improves on turnovers. His turnovers were pretty bad tonight

JsnSA

10-22-2004, 01:07 AM

I bet that he is just trying too hard right now. Everyone keeps saying that his addition is what will put us over the top. He is trying to live up to that and learn a new system and play with new people....it could be enough to make him think TOO much about his play.

I hope this is the case anyways.

Ice/\/\an

10-22-2004, 01:19 AM

I have seen people play 3 on 3 tournaments that have never played together and they still hit shots. That's not an excuse.

Stephen Jackson is on a new team and he is kicking ass already. That's a bullshit excuse.

Obviously, Barry has a little Hedoitis in him. That goes along with the expectation of being a Spur.

I ain't sugarcoating shit anymore, Pop should have signed Jackson. Jackson wanted the Spurs, Pop is stupid, it was in the media, in the newspapers, in interviews, Jackson wanted to come here. Why does Pop continue to sign bullshit unproven players? Go with the ring. Rebuild the 03 team.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda thats all in the past now
I liked Stephen Jackson i reckon that his play really complimented the team but Barry s aight too he ain't up and coming but he's been around a while. He looks like he would be more easier to coach and slot in to pops program. We lost a good player in Stephen but nevertheless we are still a championship team with or without him so dont worry bout that.

I guess give me time to watch Barry in the regular season coz i also have my worries that he will be another Hedo but there games are totally different. Barry can put the ball on the floor, and he got more hops that Hedo and need i say more bout his shooting percentage. I want him to take the ball in more though during the regular season thats what i think stephen brought to the 03 team he was a "slasher". Barry could be one too if he eases up on the 3's a bit

timvp

10-22-2004, 01:29 AM

Welcome to the forum Ice/\/\an. Cool name.

:smokin

whottt

10-22-2004, 01:40 AM

Folks need to prepare to eat some words once this season gets going.

This team is going to be so mean it'll rip the asshole out of an Elephant.

timvp

10-22-2004, 01:42 AM

This team is going to be so mean it'll rip the asshole out of an Elephant.

This gotta be someone's signature. Who is going to take it first :)

Ice/\/\an

10-22-2004, 01:43 AM

thanx Timvp

T Park

10-22-2004, 01:49 AM

Ill Take It!!!
I Love It
Great Line Whottt!!!!!

Kaster

10-22-2004, 03:12 AM

Preseason?

Preseason?

PRESEASON?!?!?!?!

Kaster

10-22-2004, 03:13 AM

But seriously, there's no chance in hell Barry shoots as poorly as he has been shooting this preseason during the regular season or postseason, unless he's injured or something. Really, don't worry, the title is in the bag barring injury or the Pistons acquiring Shaq.

travis2

10-22-2004, 07:25 AM

As the president of the national "Hug Your Local Elephant Joke Practitioner" club, I would like to plead for calm on both sides and pray that no elephants are harmed in the making of this season.

:elephant

Ginofan

10-22-2004, 09:08 AM

What's weird to me is Barry is playing like a giddy rookie, while Beno is playing like the seasoned vet.

:wtf

I noticed that too. Nothing seems to get to Beno like it would with other rookies. He's fast and agressive and has no fear of the opponent. While Brent on the other hand seems like he's trying too hard to show Pop that he's good. He gets excited and careless and just chunks up shots. Hopefully he'll settle down and remember that he's a vet.

Marcus Bryant

10-22-2004, 09:12 AM

Preseason.

BronxCowboy

10-22-2004, 12:13 PM

Preseason, new team, whatever, Barry is a skilled player and a veteran and shouldn't be playing this poorly. Shooting is a skill that if you have it like Barry has (50% FG, 45% 3pt), it doesn't go away overnight, outside of some head problems (a la Hedo) or injury. I'm a little concerned. He should be a good addition, but so far we've got no defense, poor decision making, and a shot so cold the other players' balls are shriveling. Sounds a lot like Hedo at the end of last season to me.

fonzy16

10-22-2004, 12:57 PM

maybe he's just tired from the hard workout with the spurs. he'll get better, otherwise beno panned out ok. i hope the spurs keep up the FT% from the preseason through the regular, especially TD. That would mean 6-10 pts. more per game

timvp

10-22-2004, 03:05 PM

One good sign is the Spurs are running plays for Barry. The have a double pick play where they run him through the lane and he pops open at the elbow. The Spurs have run it 3 or 4 times and it has worked pretty well. Of course, Barry has missed all of those shots but it is good to see that the Spurs are actually running plays for him.

Solid D

10-22-2004, 03:49 PM

Could be that he spends so much energy trying to defend well that his shooting has suffered from it though... Only excuse I can find so far.

That's possible but not likely. Although Brent's not in top game shape, yet, the shots he's missing aren't short. If his legs are tired from the extra effort, shots are typically short. He's hit the back iron several times.

He's just amped, I think, and needs confidence in his new setting. Muscle memory, rhythm and flow will come with familiarity. That's all a shooter like Barry needs besides confidence.

tlongII

10-22-2004, 04:00 PM

It's been reported that Barry actually has torn cartilage in his right elbow that may require surgery. That is most likely the cause of his poor shooting.

timvp

10-22-2004, 04:12 PM

It's been reported that Barry actually has torn cartilage in his right elbow that may require surgery. That is most likely the cause of his poor shooting.

Are you related to jimcs50?

Solid D

10-22-2004, 04:53 PM

Are you related to jimcs50?

I've heard they share the same golf tees.

tlongII

10-22-2004, 04:54 PM

The information I have is obviously preliminary. Unfortunately I do not have time to confer with my sources to give you details.

wildbill2u

10-22-2004, 08:16 PM

It's been reported that Barry actually has torn cartilage in his right elbow that may require surgery. That is most likely the cause of his poor shooting.

I heard he got his shooting eye put out while peeping through a keyhole, watching Joe le Blon

boutons

10-22-2004, 08:24 PM

The Spurs aren't running away from it. Tony got big laughs today at the Tip-off uncheon about their new ace sharp shooter going "3 for 60" so in pre-season games.

ShoogarBear

10-22-2004, 08:38 PM

Keep in mind that one of those two made shots was a layup.

See, so all those comparisons to Hedo are inaccurate.

toosmallshoes

10-22-2004, 10:57 PM

It's kinda like when Rose got his big contract and tried to do too much. Barry has never played on a quality team before and he's being lauded as the reason the Spurs will win the champioship, so he's amped and a little nervous. The Spurs are a great team even without him and as soon as he and everyone else settles down and remembers that Tim Duncan is the real reason the Spurs are the favorites this year he'll find his rhythm as the quality role player that he is and perform as such.

Jefe

10-23-2004, 12:26 AM

yes, oops, only 3-14 thru mid-3rd qtr, 3rd cold shooting game for the Spurs best shooter. Has he forgot how to shoot?

Duncan looks like he's heading for an MVP year. 7-7 FTs!!! Go Teemee
This team sucks

SenorSpur

10-23-2004, 06:06 AM

OK folks, I've finally got off my ass and made it over to this side of the forum. It's good to be here with the fandom, talkin' Spurs stuff. I'm fired up about this season.

About SJax - my main man, Sequ has great points. I can't believe the Spurs didn't sign him. He was there - the Spurs had the cash. I cursed the day they let him walk.

The guy proved his salt in Atlanta last year. He's a deadly weapon and one the Spurs sorely needed last season. His attitude, defense and of course, his dead-eye, pressure-packed shooting. The guy simply has no fear and desparately wants to win. Hell, we won a frickin' championship with him as a starter (I love watching that 2003 championship DVD).

I'm glad he got the BIG contract he sorely deserves. He's been gone a couple of seasons and I really miss having on board.

Having said all that, I believe the Brent Barry pickup should fill the void. While he may lack Jack's quickness, defensive skills and attitude, he probably makes up for it in court awareness, passing skills and all-around ability. Statistically, he's a better 3-point shooter and can play multiple positions including PG. So he'll give us some matchup advantages. I'll be waiting to see just how "clutch" he is.

I hope Barry wil cure my SJax hangover.

toosmallshoes

10-23-2004, 06:36 AM

why do people think so much of sjax? honestly a 33% lifetime three point average is pretty sad for someone who is known as a "shooter". he's known as a shooter because he shoots a lot, not because he's proficient at it. And he's a Pacer now, so get over him.

BronxCowboy

10-23-2004, 08:23 AM

The guy proved his salt in Atlanta last year.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

I never thought I would hear "proved his salt" and "in Atlanta" in the same sentence.

T Park

10-23-2004, 10:49 AM

yup, cause to prove your worth, where do you go?? ATLANTA!!!

Yup, makes sense.

:rolleyes

SequSpur

10-23-2004, 11:13 AM

Dude averaged 26+ ppg over what the last 30 games last year in Atlanta. If you looked at all the players that did that, he would be in the top 2 or 3.

If you can't recognize that fact and the fact that he was big in the playoffs and now is already tearin it up in the preseason while Manu, Barry, Brown and whoever else the Spurs picked up continue to struggle then you don't know crap about basketball or you are Pop's twin brother.

whottt

10-23-2004, 01:18 PM

why do people think so much of sjax?

Because his shooting helped lift us from contender to champion. He may not be a great PCT shooter...but his timing is awesome.

devinbrowns_gurl

10-23-2004, 02:49 PM

I know its just pre-season but he's shooting horrifically, I'm just worried he's gonna turn into another Hedo! Do you guys think that maybe he's shootin maybe too many 3's and needs to calm down? (even though 3's are his specialty) I hope he sorts this slump out by the time the regular season starts!
NAW MANN I WENT TO THEIR PRACTICE AND BRENT BARRY IS GOOD. I THINK HES JUST TO EXCITED . AND WHAS WRONG WITH HEDO IF IT WASNT FOR HEDO WE WOULD HAVE NEVER MADE IT PASS THA GRIZZLIES!! SPURS GOT A GREAT TEAM MAN JUST BE PAITENT . ITS ONLY PRESEASON THEY CANT DO AS GOOD BECAUSE WHAT IF THAY GET HURT?????? I BELIVE IN MY SPURS SO WIN OR LOSE SPURS STILL THA BESTundefined :king

SequSpur

10-23-2004, 02:55 PM

Nice post. Did you go to West Campus?

BTW, your capslock is stuck.

devinbrowns_gurl

10-23-2004, 02:56 PM

Our bench is kind of weak. I think this will hurt us in the future... OBVIOUSLY U DONT KNOW SHIT BECAUSE THA SPURS IS GONNA TAKE IT ALL DIS YEAR AND IF U GONNA DOUBT THA SPURS THAN DONT WRITE UP IN HERE BECAUSE ITS ALL BOUT THA SILVER IN BLACK AND WE GONNA WIN BACK TO BACK! I AINT DOUBTING THEM WE GONNA WIN BABY!!!!!!!!! :elephant

SequSpur

10-23-2004, 03:11 PM

1Park1 has a point.

So far in the preseason the starting lineup has dominated the opponent while the bench has come in to lose the game.

Solid D

10-23-2004, 09:28 PM

DevinBrown's Gurl - would you please kwit poppin' yur double bubbble While U POST? U R 2 LOUD!

1Parker1

10-23-2004, 10:20 PM

"IF U GONNA DOUBT THA SPURS THAN DONT WRITE UP IN HERE"

I can write whereever I want, its a free country and secondly, you don't even run this forum, quit being a bitch and ruining it for others.

TwoHandJam

10-24-2004, 12:29 AM

Can this be yet another MB personality?

toosmallshoes

10-24-2004, 05:03 AM

Because his shooting helped lift us from contender to champion. He may not be a great PCT shooter...but his timing is awesome.

People who buy winning lottery tickets also have awesome timing.

toosmallshoes

10-24-2004, 05:39 AM

...and of course i would be wrong to say SJax didn't help the spurs win the championship when he made all of those three pointers in game six. but i would have to be very forgetful to not remember how his turnovers in the first quarter dug the spurs a big hole. he basically dug his own hole and then filled it up. Jax is the kind of player who both sucks and is awesome. Mario Eli was a perfect fit before the defensive rule changes. Jaren Jackson got lucky. Hedo was a wuss. Barry is almost all positives in his role with the spurs. The spurs need a certain kind of player in that position, and if Brent can work on his D (and try making a few shots in a spurs uniform), he fills that slot to a T. thanks for your help Jax, but i prefer barry.

whottt

10-24-2004, 06:08 AM

I think Barry'll be fine, he's a better all around player than Jax, and he brings a ton of things to the team, and unlike Hedo Barry wants the big shot. Barry will help this team, but I'm not going to give him credit for being able to hit big baskets(our #1 need from him) until he actually does it,....Reason? See; Turkoglu, Hedo - Last Season; Smith, Steve - 01-02; Del Negro, Vinny - Entire Career.

And Jax had 3 big games 6's that run. Turnover or not, he still shot well under intense, late quarter playoff pressure in series clinching games...His TO's did not prevent us from winning a title. For that reason many of us give him credit for having the heart of a champion and being a key to our title win.

Basically, we remember Jax fondly and overlook his flaws because he was pretty damn clutch. Barry hasn't proven that yet...Hopefully he will.

toosmallshoes

10-24-2004, 06:32 AM

yes, he tries hard. I do think that his turnovers in game six vs. the nets were a hole he dug himself out of with his late game heroics. and i've cheered for Jax many times, even in Atlanta. I just think Barry is a more comfy fit. On a systematic team like the spurs, he is the round block in the round hole player that is just what the spurs need in that role. Sjax has always struck me as a 50/50 player whose upside equalizes his downside. though jax had some great games, barry is still better in that role... unless he can't get it together. but a player known for his consistency is most likely just feeling some pins and needles. He'll be fine. if i hadn't seen him burn the spurs with that three two years ago, i'd feel more ambiguous about him. but something about him just feels right.

AgSnake361

10-24-2004, 06:32 AM

...we're sitting here talking about PRESEASON, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about PRESEASON.
Now I know that I'm supposed to lead by example and all that but I'm not shoving that aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about PRESEASON. We're talking about PRESEASON man. We're talking about PRESEASON. We're talking about PRESEASON. We're not talking about the game. We're talking about PRESEASON. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you've seen me play right, you've seen me give everything I've got, but we're talking about PRESEASON right now.

to quote AI, if i may be so bold. It all doesn't start to matter until Nov. 3rd. And knowing how inclined our Spurs are to early season doldrums are y'all really ready to count them out already because Barry's having a cold PRESEASON? I'll guarantee right now that this guy will WIN more then a couple games for us in April and May when we need clutch shooting. I don't care if he doesn't hit the broad side of a barn now, as long as Popp can get him to buy into the defensive nature of the team and give him plenty of open opportunities.

I'm not a bandwagon guy(shit, i've been an Aggie all my life) but relax and enjoy the ups and downs of the PRE and Early season and the ups of the latter season and postseason will be all the better.

toosmallshoes

10-24-2004, 06:58 AM

"to quote AI, if i may be so bold. It all doesn't start to matter until Nov. 3rd."

the preseason, season, post season and off season are all still part of the season. otherwise this message board would shut down between the end of the playoffs and the beginning of the regular season. If the post season didn't exist then the Heat would not have aquired Shaq and the Rockets would not have aquired TMac. The Spurs would not have aquired Brent Barry and the Pacers wouldn't have gotten Stephen Jackson. If the pre-season did not exist then the first ten games of the regular-season would suck. If you think that the pre season and off season don't matter, then wait until the regular season to post. otherwise accept that these segments of the season do matter and post away.

SequSpur

10-24-2004, 10:05 AM

Barry will never average more than 20 a game, neither will Manu....

Stephen Jackson will...

But your right, its preseason, Barry is a vet and he will come along but the Spurs are still weak at Center and backup pg.

Spurs won't get past the second round with this lineup.

BronxCowboy

10-24-2004, 10:30 AM

Barry will never average more than 20 a game, neither will Manu....

Stephen Jackson will...
Not with a good team. He didn't even keep it up for a whole season with ATL.

Spurs are still weak at Center and backup pg.

Spurs won't get past the second round with this lineup.
That's ridiculous. Beno is going to be as good a backup as anybody by the end of the season if he stays healthy, and if he doesn't, I'll take the Spurs chances with Barry and Manu bringing the ball up when TP is resting. As for center, who in the West isn't weak at that position? There's Houston, but there is no way you can expect them to put the Spurs out of the playoffs. Jamaal Magloire is an All-Star(?!?), but N.O. won't be seeing playoffs for a long time. Then there's Sacto with Brad Miller, but as a team the Spurs were better than them by the end of last year and the gap has only gotten wider. If the Spurs don't make it past the second round, it will probably be because they drew the T'wolves, and I sure as hell am not counting on Kandiman to be the guy that gives them headaches.