I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....

[mouse]

Why is it if a person wants answers about the war or 9/11, they are left wing Bush bashing conspiracy fanatics?

I would love to know the real reason Troops are dying in Iraq does that make me a Bush basher or un American?

Why is it if someone questions why the Pentagon looks like it was hit with a Missile and not a plane, is all of a sudden a Conspiracy nut?


I have spoken to many posters who read this forum but won't post because 90% of you will label them. If you don't agree with something Bush does your a far left winger. If you think the troops need to stay in Iraq your a Bush lover.

Is there any real reason this takes place on a daily basis? I would like to know why the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized all the passengers, luggage and chairs, and yet you can find Books and PC monitors with hardly a burn mark right in the area of the so called plane strike zone.

I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....

[LaMarcus Bryant]

If the government has nothing to hide....why are they so afraid to answer a few questions? This-story-does-not-add-up.

(from lies lies lies by ministry)

[01Snake]

If the government has nothing to hide....why are they so afraid to answer a few questions? This-story-does-not-add-up.

(from lies lies lies by ministry)


So what "questions" have not been answered? How exactly does the story not add up?

[Yonivore]

Is there any real reason this takes place on a daily basis? I would like to know why the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized all the passengers, luggage and chairs, and yet you can find Books and PC monitors with hardly a burn mark right in the area of the so called plane strike zone.

I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....
Okay, mouse, I won't label you but, the plane didn't disintegrate:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-flight77-lg.jpg

There are other pictures. Several sites have completely debunked the "cruise missile" myth. Check it out.

As far as the war in Iraq. If you're not convinced of the legitimacy of the war by now, you never will be. So, why argue?

[PixelPusher]

Why is it if someone questions why the Pentagon looks like it was hit with a Missile and not a plane, is all of a sudden a Conspiracy nut?

Is there any real reason this takes place on a daily basis? I would like to know why the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized all the passengers, luggage and chairs, and yet you can find Books and PC monitors with hardly a burn mark right in the area of the so called plane strike zone.

I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....

Aircraft are thin aluminum tubes built with loose tolerances to account for expansion/contraction that occurs with changes in temperature and air pressure. Most crashes end up looking like a few tiny scraps of metal that don't seem to add up to the amount of material you would expect there to be.

Read this from
Popular Mechanics. (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html)

You're not a nut for asking, as long as you examine the evidence honestly. And remember that most conspiracy theories require that our government be exceptionally brilliant and competent (Katrina) and so secretive as to be whistleblower proof (Valerie Plame, NSA wiretapps, secret CIA prisons, etc.)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why is it if a person wants answers about the war or 9/11, they are left wing Bush bashing conspiracy fanatics?

Why? Because the conservatives have spent the last 25 years funding think tanks (to the tune of 400mil last year, if I remeber correctly) to FRAME THE DEBATE to the point that any dissent makes you a traitor. By framing the debate, I mean that the neo-cons use language and meanings of language to insinuate views into the worldview surrounding the debate that people don't even notice, but that shift the debate in a certain direction. Want to know more, read this - it's an easy read with many examples:

http://www.chelseagreen.com/about/politicsandpractice/news/july1

It's a clever, insidious ploy used much better by neo-cons than by the left. It's the stuff Lakoff and Chomsky point out that is far too subtle for the Average Joe to give a shit about. It is the way we are all manipulated by those with power.


I would love to know the real reason Troops are dying in Iraq. Does that make me a Bush basher or un American?

Not by reasonable standards, no, but by the neocon-framing, most definitely.

Nice sigs, BTW.

[Dan Rather]

So what "questions" have not been answered? How exactly does the story not add up?

If you have Bitlord, or a membership to blockbuster? check out "In Plane sight" They show at least 20 to 25 different things that don't add up. Very enteresting film. I would like answers too and I voted for Bush.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

So what "questions" have not been answered? How exactly does the story not add up?


All pictures of the pentagon damage show a hole like half the size of what would really have happened if an airplane had hit it, also like mouse said there were not nearly enough remnants, not even the ultra dense turbines were found.

The biggest unanswered quetsions are in regards to the plane that crashed in the middle of nowhere, almost everyone at hte scene said they were dumbfounded by not finding any body parts or blood. They pretty much all concluded that they were just looking at a big giant hole. Also no plane parts were there either.

Also its fishy as to how the passangers supposedly got phonecalls out, when towers allowing that sort of communication were extremely rare in 2001.
Thats just stuff coming off the top of my head.

Watch this:

http://www.loosechange911.com/

These two young dudes were on Democracy Now! debating two editors from Popular Mechanics who wrote a book "debunking the 9/11 conspiracies" and they were just spitting out lies trying to refute the two young guys who made Loose Change. Saying how the pentagon coincidentally installed bomb proof windows weeks before 9/11 and shit..

[01Snake]

If you have Bitlord, or a membership to blockbuster? check out "In Plane sight" They show at least 20 to 25 different things that don't add up. Very enteresting film. I would like answers too and I voted for Bush.

Save me the trip to Blockbuster and lets hear some examples.

[mouse]

Aircraft are thin aluminum tubes built with loose tolerances to account for expansion/contraction that occurs with changes in temperature and air pressure. Most crashes end up looking like a few tiny scraps of metal that don't seem to add up to the amount of material you would expect there to be.

Ok then why no Blood? all the other crashes show seats, blood, luggage, and body parts. hair, teeth.fingers, rings, watches, wallets.. why is it they said the plane that hit the WTC tower cooked all the metal ,seats, passengers glass, etc...and yet they found a wallet of one of the so called hyjackers with no burn marks on it? Just to find out the man is still alive and wasn't even on the plane in the first place?


Read this from
Popular Mechanics. (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html)

You're not a nut for asking, as long as you examine the evidence honestly.

That is hard to do if the Goverment won't show the video of the so called plane hitting the pentagon. Kinda like a moderator asking you to show a topic where you was called an asshole by Tpark after he already deleted it.






And remember that most conspiracy theories

You can have a conspiracy without the theory, Look at the JFK shooting? Is it a theory, or did it really take place? But is there a conspiracy on who was responcible?

The 9/11 so called conspiracy theories are not anymore as we uncover more truth day by day, Hitting the lotto can be a theory until you buy a ticket then it becomes a probability ,then the more tickets you purchase you can win and it becomes fact,



require that our government be exceptionally brilliant and competent (Katrina) and so secretive as to be whistleblower proof (Valerie Plame, NSA wiretapps, secret CIA prisons, etc.)

I was in the Army, and many times I had no idea if what I was doing was legal but I did as i was told so many folks might not have any Idea they are part of a cover up if they are left in the dark also. Are you saying if your PC sent out 2,500.00 emails from a trojan Virus you knew it was going on? And if you fixed the problem before your boss found out would you really go in his office to tell him something that could get you fired? or will you keep quiet and take that 10,000.00 dollar bonus waiting for you at Xmas?

[mouse]

Save me the trip to Blockbuster and lets hear some examples.

For starters the Goverment gave the media 5 still photos from the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon and the dates where not correct. Then over 100 pilots said they could not fly a plane that low to the ground and not hit any light posts, The plane was in route from the other side of the pentagon and made a circus like 180 loop that would make the Red Baron himself roll in his grave as it all of a sudden leveled out at 5 feet off the ground? and hit the only part of the Pentagon that was being worked on? what are the chances?

And to think the the Pentagon is the most secured building in the United States and they have no cameras of what took place? No cameras inside were working? And why would they run accross the street to grab the video tape from the local gas station?

[Brianna]

All pictures of the pentagon damage show a hole like half the size of what would really have happened if an airplane had hit it, also like mouse said there were not nearly enough remnants, not even the ultra dense turbines were found.

The biggest unanswered quetsions are in regards to the plane that crashed in the middle of nowhere, almost everyone at hte scene said they were dumbfounded by not finding any body parts or blood. They pretty much all concluded that they were just looking at a big giant hole. Also no plane parts were there either.

Also its fishy as to how the passangers supposedly got phonecalls out, when towers allowing that sort of communication were extremely rare in 2001.
Thats just stuff coming off the top of my head.

Watch this:

http://www.loosechange911.com/

These two young dudes were on Democracy Now! debating two editors from Popular Mechanics who wrote a book "debunking the 9/11 conspiracies" and they were just spitting out lies trying to refute the two young guys who made Loose Change. Saying how the pentagon coincidentally installed bomb proof windows weeks before 9/11 and shit..


This person knows his shit, thanks for the info.

[01Snake]

http://www.clattoveratanicto.com/conspiracy_news1.gif
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[mouse]

Okay, mouse, I won't label you but, the plane didn't disintegrate:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-flight77-lg.jpg

There are other pictures. Several sites have completely debunked the "cruise missile" myth. Check it out.

As far as the war in Iraq. If you're not convinced of the legitimacy of the war by now, you never will be. So, why argue?



Thank you for posting that photo. That part you see belongs to an un manned plane like this one.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40159000/jpg/_40159609_drone_203.jpg



Many of these drone type aircraft are used to carry missles. Funny how it showed up on radar only 5 minutes before the attack in a so called no fly zone.

[mouse]

Save me the trip to Blockbuster

If your worried about the black hellicopters? you can always use net flicks.

[PixelPusher]

Thank you for posting that photo. That part you see belongs to an un manned plane like this one.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40159000/jpg/_40159609_drone_203.jpg



Many of these drone type aircraft are used to carry missles. Funny how it showed up on radar only 5 minutes before the attack in a so called no fly zone.

...so those drones are made of bare rivetted aluminum with painted stripes?

[dirk4mvp.]

Okay, mouse, I won't label you but, the plane didn't disintegrate:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-flight77-lg.jpg




Ok so no bodies,chairs,suitcases,and blood made it through the intense heat but that very thin and very clean piece of metal did? :lmao

[01Snake]

Thank you for posting that photo. That part you see belongs to an un manned plane like this one.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40159000/jpg/_40159609_drone_203.jpg



Many of these drone type aircraft are used to carry missles. Funny how it showed up on radar only 5 minutes before the attack in a so called no fly zone.

Haha..haven't heard that one yet. So the drone crashed into the Pentagon carring a bomb? Gotta love these threads.

Lets see here.....

1. Can't keep a secret wiretap program under wraps. Nope
2. Can't keep secret CIA prisons? Nope

Yet somehow they could blow up several buildings in NY and bomb the Pentagon.

[01Snake]

...so those drones are made of bare rivetted aluminum with painted stripes?

Of course. Its the American Airlines Edition Predator.

[mouse]

...so those drones are made of bare rivetted aluminum with painted stripes?


Why not ask the over 100 Mechanics who have been quoted saying none of the so called parts they have place where the media cameras can see match up.

The so called turbo engine part they show in the photo doesn't even belong to the type of plane they said was hyjacked in the first place, Then again your talking about the same folks who are so smart they forgot to put 9/11 date on the pictures they gave the media instead of 9/12 another blooper.

I am sure if I wanted to use my truck to run over Yonnivore and make it look like it was UPS I would be smart enough to at least paint it Brown first.

[SA210]

Why not ask the over 100 Mechanics who have been quoted saying none of the so called parts they have place where the media cameras can see match up.

The so called turbo engine part they show in the photo doesn't even belong to the type of plane they said was hyjacked in the first place, Then again your talking about the same folks who are so smart they forgot to put 9/11 date on the pictures they gave the media instead of 9/12 another blooper.

I am sure if I wanted to use my truck to run over Yonnivore and make it look like it was UPS I would be smart enough to at least paint it Brown first.
:lmao :lmao OMG

[mouse]

Haha..haven't heard that one yet. So the drone crashed into the Pentagon carring a bomb? Gotta love these threads.

Lets see here.....

1. Can't keep a secret wiretap program under wraps. Nope
2. Can't keep secret CIA prisons? Nope

Yet somehow they could blow up several buildings in NY and bomb the Pentagon.


For someone who can't take the 2 hour drive into town to rent one of the 10 documentries on how this cover up smells like shit? you seem to know alot.

You have the easy part, you get to sit back like Yonnivore and make all of us do the hard part and try to prove there is a GOD when you can't prove there isn't a GOD, Just beacuse we don't have all the facts doesn't mean the bullshit we have been given is the truth. But I am so happy you and your Bush loving firends go by some painted plane part on the grass photo, that just further proves the Govermant was right by putting it there in the first place they knew 90% of you tree hugging Americans are so gulluble your willing to pay 4.50 for a 99 cent gallon of gas? you may just stop eating Spinach altogether.

[SA210]

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

[PixelPusher]

For someone who can't take the 2 hour drive into town to rent one of the 10 documentries on how this cover up smells like shit? you seem to know alot.

You have the easy part, you get to sit back like Yonnivore and make all of us do the hard part and try to prove there is a GOD when you can't prove there isn't a GOD, Just beacuse we don't have all the facts doesn't mean the bullshit we have been given is the truth. But I am so happy you and your Bush loving firends go by some painted plane part on the grass photo, that just further proves the Govermant was right by putting it there in the first place they knew 90% of you tree hugging Americans are so gulluble your willing to pay 4.50 for a 99 cent gallon of gas? you may just stop eating Spinach altogether.

I certainly don't love Bush, or the direction this country is headed, but that doesn't mean it 9/11 was a conspiracy by the Bush Administration. And yes, you DO have the burden of proof on this one. You have to prove they secretly planted demolition explosives on the exact floors of the WTC those cumbersome airliners happened to crash into. You have to prove the governemt managed to shoot down the hijacked airliner headed for D.C. over some remote are where no-one noticed, cleaned up the evidence and then launched their own drone/missle to blow up the side of the Pentagon.

There was a conspiracy; a TERRORIST conspiracy by Al Qaeda, to hijack airliners and fly them into buildings; a simple plan that doesn't require the byzantine complexity of your conspiracy theory. I'm sorry if 9/11 so violated your false sense of security to the point that you simply can't accept that the U.S. could be taken off guard like this, but shit happens.

[01Snake]

For someone who can't take the 2 hour drive into town to rent one of the 10 documentries on how this cover up smells like shit? you seem to know alot.

You have the easy part, you get to sit back like Yonnivore and make all of us do the hard part and try to prove there is a GOD when you can't prove there isn't a GOD, Just beacuse we don't have all the facts doesn't mean the bullshit we have been given is the truth. But I am so happy you and your Bush loving firends go by some painted plane part on the grass photo, that just further proves the Govermant was right by putting it there in the first place they knew 90% of you tree hugging Americans are so gulluble your willing to pay 4.50 for a 99 cent gallon of gas? you may just stop eating Spinach altogether.

I've seen tons of stuff on this issue and I've concluded that Flight 77 hit the building. None of these conspiracy sites/films gave me any info that led me to believe otherwise.

Look, its really doesnt matter if you "think" there is a cover up or that I don't "think" there was. Believe what you want. I'm not gonna change your mind and you wont change mine.

Not sure about the whole tree hugger statement though.

[Nbadan]

I'm with Snake on this one. If seen to much evidence, photographs and other that leave little doubt a plane hit the Pentagon. I've even seen photos of damaged lights from the freeway the plane crossed before striking the building. I've read hours of eye-witness testimony. There are many photos that show plane wreckage.

[fekz]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the indentity of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

[Zombie.]

I'm with Snake on this one. If seen to much evidence, photographs and other that leave little doubt a plane hit the Pentagon. I've even seen photos of damaged lights from the freeway the plane crossed before striking the building. I've read hours of eye-witness testimony. There are many photos that show plane wreckage.


there are also 780,000 photos of UFO's and 1,200 pictures of Big foot, does that mean it's also true? Man I really thought Nbadan was alot smarter than this, I guess I was wrong.

[mouse]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the indentity of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

^ Rack!

You know the whole time I made this topic and replied I never said I fully accept any of the evidence thus far, I want to have an open mind to review the facts, my beef is with the cover ups and the lack of answers. If these guys have no problem showing pictures of so called parts to passenger planes, why can't they show the video? And why would Bush tell reporters when he saw the first plane hit the WTC tower.... how he reacted etc..., when the only film of the first plane to hit the towers was still in the camera of the man making the NY fire fighters documentry? The film had not been seen yet by anyone, and yet Bush claims he saw the first plane hit the towers?


And why would they play fake phone calls on TV showing doomed passengers talking to thier families and many of them saying this.......
"hello Mom? this is your son John Smith" when was the last time you called your mom and used your first and last name?


And why would men with black ties on have to remove a huge box with a blue tarp covering it in a hurry? What could be so bad that it couldn't stay on the ground for the proper investiagtors to see? But wait I am talking to a bunch of highly educated posters who think cuz there are 1,200 pictures of Big Foot he is real.
You would think the average person with a GED would want answers also................




http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/tarp.jpg

[Nbadan]

there are also 780,000 photos of UFO's and 1,200 pictures of Big foot, does that mean it's also true? Man I really thought Nbadan was alot smarter than this, I guess I was wrong.

Hey, it's me, I like a good conspiracy theory more than the next guy, but I've analyzed photos myself that show a American Airlines plane about 25 feet off the ground heading at breaking speed toward the Pentagon. If those photos are fakes, they are damn good ones.

[Smackie Chan]

Save me the trip to Blockbuster and lets hear some examples.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/plane-crash-pentagon-hole-photo.htm




THIS PHOTO SHOWS JUST HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS THAT A PLANE CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON. BELOW IS A PICTURE OF THE PENTAGON WITH THE HOLE BEFORE THE BUILDING COLLAPSED. NOTICE THE LACK OF DEBRIS AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING. SUPERIMPOSED IS A 757, SIZED TO SCALE, ATTEMPTING TO FIT INTO THE LITTLE TINY HOLE IT SUPPOSEDLY MADE ON IMPACT. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT A PLANE CAN DO IT AND LEAVE ONLY ONE PIECE OF DEBRIS HUNDREDS OF FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING


http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/compall.jpg

[Nbadan]

Pics are worth a 1000 words..

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1.jpg
Highway lights damaged by plane

http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/Damage9.jpg
Parts of the Engine

http://69.57.144.30/ats/pentagon757/planeparts-1.jpg
Another piece of the Royal-Royce engine, not found on missiles

[Nbadan]

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/hullpart.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general31/fitfar.jpg

[Nbadan]

As far as what happened to the plane and why such a small hole - a majority of the plane vaporized into millions of pieces at impact..

A concrete wall hit by an F-4 fighter jet at 500 MPH (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fighter_impact2.wmv)

The above was a test where an F-4 fighter jet (fighters are built more sturdy than passenger jets in order to survive despite combat damage) was slammed into a test wall to evaluate the damage that might be caused if a jet plane was crashed into a reactor containment vessel.

The wall in this test was considerably stronger than the Pentagon wall and suffered little damage. However, that damage was found to be primarily from the engines of the F-4, whereas the rest of the airframe shattered on impact without damaging the wall at all. This test proves that the Pentagon damage would come not from the aircraft as a whole, but from the heavy and dense components such as the engines, landing gear blocks, avionics, potable water bottles, etc.

[Nbadan]

So who's really behind the Pentagon missile conspiracies?


This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. The government shills are trying to conceal real news stories such as the Israeli Spy Ring and its connections to the attacks on the World Trade Towers. So, we get hoax stories poured onto the net by government propagandists, to be used by the media to attack the credibility of anyone who dares doubt the official story.

At some point in the near future, photographs, or video will be "discovered" clearly showing the impact, and the mainstream media will have a field day ridiculing those "kooky Internet web sites" and their "silly conspiracy theories", all based on a silly theory the government is itself planting on the web.

But if you think about it, common sense tells you their claims are just plain silly. After all, if the passenger jet didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go? And since the people behind 9-11 had to get rid of the passenger jet and its contents anyway, there was no reason for them NOT to ram it into the Pentagon. Why risk a swap? Why complicate matters even further?

What Really Happened (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Can we maybe address mouse's other questions?

Why is the entire thread focussing on the one sensationalist question he asked? The other two were actually rational, reasonable questions, but everyone (except me) has chosen to ignore them.

[Nbadan]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the indentity of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?


These are all legitimate questions, but I think they have more to do with what we really knew about the suspected hi-jackers before 911 from foreign sources and our own intelligence agencies rather than anything else. There is also video of them entering the airport and boarding the plane, a passenger list and phone calls from some on board the plane describing the hijackers.

[johnsmith]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my God, you don't want to be labeled huh? Too bad, I'm labeling you a fucking idiot. Yeah, that's right, the government in it's infinate wisdom decided that they want to screw the American economy and cost the country thousands of lives by flying two planes into the world trade center, bring down America's icon, fly another plane into the pentagon, fly another plane into the ground, start a war in Afghanistan, start a war in Iraq, lose all public support for the current regime, create an unstable political world, ruin the world economy, cause gas prices to go through the roof, and lose all their credibility. Is there an emoticon for "oh my God if I were around you right now I'd beat you over the head with a fucking baseball bat because we've allowed you to live this long"?

[RandomGuy]

aw shit. Here we go.

It happens in every political message board and goes something like this:

An "innocent" question about 9-11 is asked. For a few posts the whole thing is generally discussed.

Then somebody says something along the lines of

"but what about X, I read it on the internet, it must be true and obviously points to something other than highjacked civilian jetliners because there is some kind of government conspiracy to cover up the real truth"

Invariably the thread becomes some point/counterpoint of the whole well-hashed "conspiracy" debate, and increasingly gets heated and minutely argued usually going on to hundreds of posts. My prediction is that will happen here, and this thread will be worse than a demented Vampiric Energizer Bunny.

That said, I will happily contribute to it. :lol

[RandomGuy]

I normally try to keep a very cool, rational head, but I have long since stopped trying to reason with 9-11 conspiracy nuts.

:soapbox:

It is my experience with conspiracy nuts, and yes, you fuckers are conspiracy nuts, is that you WANT to believe for the sake of your own egos that somehow YOU ALONE are the guardians of THE unvarnished uber-sinister truth.

Invariably, you assclowns are scientifically illiterate and/or incapable of solid critical thinking.

Common sense gets thrown out the window in a grab-asstic rush to “out-cynic” everybody and show how “blind you people are”, not because you have realistically weighed available evidence, talked to people personally, or actually know something about what you are talking about, but rather because it makes you feel somehow smarter than the rest of us.

Suck my ass, you self-righteous sacks of shit.

You aren’t “questioning” the “official account”, you are pumping up your own egos by sacrificing logic on the altar of paranoia.

[johnsmith]

aw shit. Here we go.

It happens in every political message board and goes something like this:

An "innocent" question about 9-11 is asked. For a few posts the whole thing is generally discussed.

Then somebody says something along the lines of

"but what about X, I read it on the internet, it must be true and obviously points to something other than highjacked civilian jetliners because there is some kind of government conspiracy to cover up the real truth"

Invariably the thread becomes some point/counterpoint of the whole well-hashed "conspiracy" debate, and increasingly gets heated and minutely argued usually going on to hundreds of posts. My prediction is that will happen here, and this thread will be worse than a demented Vampiric Energizer Bunny.

That said, I will happily contribute to it. :lol

:lol :lol

[RandomGuy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my God, you don't want to be labeled huh? Too bad, I'm labeling you a fucking idiot. Yeah, that's right, the government in it's infinate wisdom decided that they want to screw the American economy and cost the country thousands of lives by flying two planes into the world trade center, bring down America's icon, fly another plane into the pentagon, fly another plane into the ground, start a war in Afghanistan, start a war in Iraq, lose all public support for the current regime, create an unstable political world, ruin the world economy, cause gas prices to go through the roof, and lose all their credibility. Is there an emoticon for "oh my God if I were around you right now I'd beat you over the head with a fucking baseball bat because we've allowed you to live this long"?

Dude, that is exactly what "they" (DUM DUM DUM!!!) want. "They" are a massive, multi-generational cabal, bent on controlling the world (more).

Get your head out of the sand and wake up, haven't you heard the latest from Infowars.com about what you should believe? I know I read it and believe it all without questioning it in the slightest. If you weren't so blind you would too.

[johnsmith]

I normally try to keep a very cool, rational head, but I have long since stopped trying to reason with 9-11 conspiracy nuts.

:soapbox:

It is my experience with conspiracy nuts, and yes, you fuckers are conspiracy nuts, is that you WANT to believe for the sake of your own egos that somehow YOU ALONE are the guardians of THE unvarnished uber-sinister truth.

Invariably, you assclowns are scientifically illiterate and/or incapable of solid critical thinking.

Common sense gets thrown out the window in a grab-asstic rush to “out-cynic” everybody and show how “blind you people are”, not because you have realistically weighed available evidence, talked to people personally, or actually know something about what you are talking about, but rather because it makes you feel somehow smarter than the rest of us.

Suck my ass, you self-righteous sacks of shit.

You aren’t “questioning” the “official account”, you are pumping up your own egos by sacrificing logic on the altar of paranoia.


Hands down, this is without a doubt the funniest and smartest post ever put forth on this message board. Well played RandomGuy, well played.

[Phenomanul]

These are all legitimate questions, but I think they have more to do with what we really knew about the suspected hi-jackers before 911 from foreign sources and our own intelligence agencies rather than anything else. There is also video of them entering the airport and boarding the plane, a passenger list and phone calls from some on board the plane describing the hijackers.


Let's not forget the security video at the Boston hotel where they had stayed.

[nkdlunch]

gentlemen, I live in DC and was in Rosslyn which is about a mile from Pentagon. I was at a training class on the 12th or so floor. and amazingly when the plane hit, we could walk to some office on that floor and see the wreckage. guess what?

it was a commercial plane.

also, we did not hear or even feel the plane hitting. but when walked outside we could smell the crash.


also I am one of those doubters that thinks its possible that other flight that crashed in PA was hit by a missile. why not? it makes sense.

[RandomGuy]

Hands down, this is without a doubt the funniest and smartest post ever put forth on this message board. Well played RandomGuy, well played.

Believe it or not I toned it down from the first draft. :angel

[RandomGuy]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the indentity of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

Here are some questions for you to answer:

If thousands of Americans are killed in a day, how many law enforcement officials and intelligence analysts do you think would be assigned to finding out who did it?

Given your answer from the above question, how many man-hours do you think it would take to find out names and identities of the perpetrators without DNA evidence?

Divide the second number by the first number, what is the result?

[RandomGuy]

Aw, f*** it, I'm not even going to wait for the answer.

Let's use some common sense.

Conservative Assumption:
It would take 4000 man/hours per highjacker to identify each one. This is the equivalent of one person working full-time for 2 years (and giving him/her a two week vacation).

4000*19=76,000

Conservative Assumption #2:
There were only 1,000 people assigned/performing the task of figuring out whodunnit.

76,000/1000=76.

It would take 1000 people 3 days to produce the names of all 19 highjackers, using very conservative assumptions.

Less conservative assumption #1:
It takes 1000 hours to find the identity of each of the 19 jackasses. (one person, full-time for 6 months)

Less conservative assumption #2:
There were 5000 people working on finding the identities of those 19 jackasses.

That calculation gives a real time figure of less than 4 hours.

You wanted people who question things, you got it. I doubt, however, you will like MY questions as much as you like yours.

[Ya Vez]

also I am one of those doubters that thinks its possible that other flight that crashed in PA was hit by a missile. why not? it makes sense.

except people on the plane before going down.. called their relatives on cell phones to let them know they were going to try and take over the plane, or maybe they knew the missle was coming... sheesh...

What about the people that are now missing and dead on the plane that hit the pentagon... were they taken off the plane and hidden in area 51?

[RandomGuy]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the indentity of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

Did anyone else also notice that the question shifted from "identities" to "remains"?

It is possible to tell who was on the plane without having physical remains. that is what passenger manifests are for. I would further point out that not all passengers remains were accounted for, either.

The logic of the above is:
If A, then B. If B, then C, therefore, If A, then C. Break assumption A or B and you can't prove C.

A="no remains"
B="remains are required to identify occupants" (occupants are either hijackers or passengers)
C="government is lying"

"If there are no remains(A), then you can't say for certain who was on the aircraft (B)".

If you can't say for certain who was on the aircraft(b), then the government is lying(c).

If there are no remains(a), then government is lying(c).

Logic primer for those intersted.

[Hook Dem]

Good post RG. But the question still ignored mostly by the conspiricy nuts, is........."where did that plane go" !!!!!! Still flying around somewhere?

[DarkReign]

also I am one of those doubters that thinks its possible that other flight that crashed in PA was hit by a missile. why not? it makes sense.

Hearing the tape from the plane explains things uniformly and corroborates the widows/widowers own cell phone conversations with their "soon-to-be-departed-but-died-with-their-boots-on" loved ones.

[xrayzebra]

Hey we all know that Rove, Bush and Rumsfield cooked
up this scheme. The TV pictures of planes flying into the
WTC were faked by the Today Show and it was really a
missile that did all that stuff to the Pentagon. I just don't understand where they launched it from. I'll
just bet it was from the compound at Camp David, don't you. Yeah. Bush and Rumsfield were there personally, naw, I know, Cheney did it, that is why no one could find him. Yeah, that's it.

[johnsmith]

Hey we all know that Rove, Bush and Rumsfield cooked
up this scheme. The TV pictures of planes flying into the
WTC were faked by the Today Show and it was really a
missile that did all that stuff to the Pentagon. I just don't understand where they launched it from. I'll
just bet it was from the compound at Camp David, don't you. Yeah. Bush and Rumsfield were there personally, naw, I know, Cheney did it, that is why no one could find him. Yeah, that's it.


I like it..........I think I'll make a documentary about this very concept and then watch as thousands of jackasses believe every word of it because well, it's on the internet. Everyone knows the internet doesn't lie.

[RandomGuy]

Hey we all know that Rove, Bush and Rumsfield cooked
up this scheme. The TV pictures of planes flying into the
WTC were faked by the Today Show and it was really a
missile that did all that stuff to the Pentagon. I just don't understand where they launched it from. I'll
just bet it was from the compound at Camp David, don't you. Yeah. Bush and Rumsfield were there personally, naw, I know, Cheney did it, that is why no one could find him. Yeah, that's it.


Heh, what little respect I have for Rumsfeld comes from that day. Say what you want about his competance etc., but he did help carry stretchers.

I think the guy is a hard-working and relatively decent based on all that I have read and seen.

That said, he is myopic and has his flaws, as anybody does. The sad thing is that those flaws kill our troops.

[101A]

These two young dudes were on Democracy Now! debating two editors from Popular Mechanics who wrote a book "debunking the 9/11 conspiracies" and they were just spitting out lies trying to refute the two young guys who made Loose Change. Saying how the pentagon coincidentally installed bomb proof windows weeks before 9/11 and shit..

Those two young clowns were pwnd on that show; watched it beginning to end. My favorite sequence?

Real Engineer: "It is difficult debating you, every time you disagree with someone, you call them a liar".

Young Internet Conpiracy Theorist (almost screaming): "No I don't, LIAR".

[101A]

I normally try to keep a very cool, rational head, but I have long since stopped trying to reason with 9-11 conspiracy nuts.

:soapbox:

It is my experience with conspiracy nuts, and yes, you fuckers are conspiracy nuts, is that you WANT to believe for the sake of your own egos that somehow YOU ALONE are the guardians of THE unvarnished uber-sinister truth.

Invariably, you assclowns are scientifically illiterate and/or incapable of solid critical thinking.

Common sense gets thrown out the window in a grab-asstic rush to “out-cynic” everybody and show how “blind you people are”, not because you have realistically weighed available evidence, talked to people personally, or actually know something about what you are talking about, but rather because it makes you feel somehow smarter than the rest of us.

Suck my ass, you self-righteous sacks of shit.

You aren’t “questioning” the “official account”, you are pumping up your own egos by sacrificing logic on the altar of paranoia.


ptwndp the whole damned board. Nice. (now get back to work to pay your credit card bill)

[boutons_]

"he did help carry stretchers."

ANYBODY with a milligram of decency would have done that and anything the site responsibles were asking for. Rotten DC politician that he is, he was probably thinking of his legacy and rep, to be seen helping, rather than just helping for its own sake.

[johnsmith]

"he did help carry stretchers."

ANYBODY with a milligram of decency would have done that and anything the site responsibles were asking for. Rotten DC politician that he is, he was probably thinking of his legacy and rep, to be seen helping, rather than just helping for its own sake.


Typical of you Boutons.......typical.

[SA210]

Typical of you Boutons.......typical.
Add me to that list.


"he did help carry stretchers."

ANYBODY with a milligram of decency would have done that and anything the site responsibles were asking for. Rotten DC politician that he is, he was probably thinking of his legacy and rep, to be seen helping, rather than just helping for its own sake.

[Smackie Chan]

You so called experts on what really took place? if you really want anyone on this board to take you serious? then could you at leat show others your reading skills? My writing skills are 9th grade at best, so I know it's not cuz what I wrote was to advanced for your highy educated minds... So I will assume you where just in a hurry when you came in this topic, and I will do you a huge favor and save you from having to go to page one.

here is the original post, notice the bold areas.............








Why is it if a person wants answers about the war or 9/11, they are left wing Bush bashing conspiracy fanatics?

I would love to know the real reason Troops are dying in Iraq does that make me a Bush basher or un American?

Why is it if someone questions why the Pentagon looks like it was hit with a Missile and not a plane, is all of a sudden a Conspiracy nut?


I have spoken to many posters who read this forum but won't post because 90% of you will label them. If you don't agree with something Bush does your a far left winger. If you think the troops need to stay in Iraq your a Bush lover.

Is there any real reason this takes place on a daily basis? I would like to know why the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized all the passengers, luggage and chairs, and yet you can find Books and PC monitors with hardly a burn mark right in the area of the so called plane strike zone.

I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....


You folks who came in here with you smart ass remarks and Conspiracy nut bashing is the whole reason this topic was made thank you for proving my point.

As for the rest of you like Nbadan and Yonnivore who like to show us pictures of Plane parts that don't match up to the plane that was in flight?

Until you see "In plane sight" or any other film that shows your wrong I really don't need your input since I want someone to tell me why those movies are wrong. And if your take was the right one? The why isn't your video for rent or for sell? I already saw 4 different documenties where many aircraft mechanics have said the rusty ass engine parts on the ground were not used in the plane that was carring the passengers that day, So save yourselves from posting them. they where all in the videos I have watched.
I will say this much, Not one of you have clicked on the link I provided
http://www.thepowerhour.com/ and gave me any solid proof that the Power hour was lying to people, so with that said? your no different than the so called Conspiracy nuts you seem to hate.

I will say this much, altough I did read everyones posts, and I do thank you for posting? I would love to hear from someone who acually saw the power hour documenty I still have more questions I would love to ask you,

Thank You.

http://www.911inplanesite.com/



http://www.911inplanesite.com/images2004/911dvd_med_b.jpg



http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/beyond_treason.jpg

[johnsmith]

Why is it if a person wants answers about the war or 9/11, they are left wing Bush bashing conspiracy fanatics?

No one said they are "conspiracy fanatics" for wanting the Bush administration to explain their logic behind the war in Iraq. If that was the case then pretty much 99% of the media would be labeled conspiracy fanatics.

I would love to know the real reason Troops are dying in Iraq does that make me a Bush basher or un American?

Why is it if someone questions why the Pentagon looks like it was hit with a Missile and not a plane, is all of a sudden a Conspiracy nut?

Because conspiracy theorists are the ones starting discussions of this sort by taking comments an articles out of context and spinning pictures and stories in order to tell the story they would like to tell rather then the obvious. I think Terrell Owens put it best, if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat......

I have spoken to many posters who read this forum but won't post because 90% of you will label them. If you don't agree with something Bush does your a far left winger. If you think the troops need to stay in Iraq your a Bush lover.

Is there any real reason this takes place on a daily basis? I would like to know why the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized all the passengers, luggage and chairs, and yet you can find Books and PC monitors with hardly a burn mark right in the area of the so called plane strike zone.

I can only assume that you mean why would we label these people is your question here since you failed to site a subject that "this" represents in your sentence. The answer then is that this is an open forum in which people are free to choose whether or not they should post. Furthermore, it is completely anonymous so why your "friends" wouldn't post, I have no idea.


I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....

There, now your BOLD questions have been answered.

[johnsmith]

You so called experts on what really took place? if you really want anyone on this board to take you serious? then could you at leat show others your reading skills? My writing skills are 9th grade at best, so I know it's not cuz what I wrote was to advanced for your highy educated minds... So I will assume you where just in a hurry when you came in this topic, and I will do you a huge favor and save you from having to go to page one.

here is the original post, notice the bold areas.............










You folks who came in here with you smart ass remarks and Conspiracy nut bashing is the whole reason this topic was made thank you for proving my point.

As for the rest of you like Nbadan and Yonnivore who like to show us pictures of Plane parts that don't match up to the plane that was in flight?

Until you see "In plane sight" or any other film that shows your wrong I really don't need your input since I want someone to tell me why those movies are wrong. And if your take was the right one? The why isn't your video for rent or for sell? I already saw 4 different documenties where many aircraft mechanics have said the rusty ass engine parts on the ground were not used in the plane that was carring the passengers that day, So save yourselves from posting them. they where all in the videos I have watched.
I will say this much, Not one of you have clicked on the link I provided
http://www.thepowerhour.com/ and gave me any solid proof that the Power hour was lying to people, so with that said? your no different than the so called Conspiracy nuts you seem to hate.

I will say this much, altough I did read everyones posts, and I do thank you for posting? I would love to hear from someone who acually saw the power hour documenty I still have more questions I would love to ask you,

Thank You.

http://www.911inplanesite.com/



http://www.911inplanesite.com/images2004/911dvd_med_b.jpg



http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/beyond_treason.jpg


Everything Micheal Moore puts in his "documentaries" are totally true too huh?

[101A]

My ... skills are 9th grade at best,

Pretty much sums it up Mickey.

There were plenty of rational, thoughtful responses to your post, and MANY posters, from the left and right (despite your assertion that the board is hopelessly divided and nothing but a bunch of mud-slinging hate-mongers) who posted legitimate reasons why the various conspiracy theories are full of crap (including NBA Dan who is never one to shy away from a conspiracy).

You exclamation of success at "proving a point" with this thread is unfounded.

[johnsmith]

\


I just clicked on your powerhour link.........I still think you're an idiot. What did that prove?

[johnsmith]

I honestly think that this thread has served it's purpose. It has managed to do the impossible on this site, it's brought the left and right together and united in it's uniformed quest to make sure this guy feels like an idiot.

[Brianna]

\


I just clicked on your powerhour link.........I still think you're an idiot. What did that prove?


Should we have a You must at least 17 years old to reply sign in this forum? Keep posting son, your making the Bush lovers look bad and I love it :lol

[xrayzebra]

You so called experts on what really took place? if you really want anyone on this board to take you serious? then could you at leat show others your reading skills? My writing skills are 9th grade at best, so I know it's not cuz what I wrote was to advanced for your highy educated minds... So I will assume you where just in a hurry when you came in this topic, and I will do you a huge favor and save you from having to go to page one.

here is the original post, notice the bold areas.............










You folks who came in here with you smart ass remarks and Conspiracy nut bashing is the whole reason this topic was made thank you for proving my point.

As for the rest of you like Nbadan and Yonnivore who like to show us pictures of Plane parts that don't match up to the plane that was in flight?

Until you see "In plane sight" or any other film that shows your wrong I really don't need your input since I want someone to tell me why those movies are wrong. And if your take was the right one? The why isn't your video for rent or for sell? I already saw 4 different documenties where many aircraft mechanics have said the rusty ass engine parts on the ground were not used in the plane that was carring the passengers that day, So save yourselves from posting them. they where all in the videos I have watched.
I will say this much, Not one of you have clicked on the link I provided
http://www.thepowerhour.com/ and gave me any solid proof that the Power hour was lying to people, so with that said? your no different than the so called Conspiracy nuts you seem to hate.

I will say this much, altough I did read everyones posts, and I do thank you for posting? I would love to hear from someone who acually saw the power hour documenty I still have more questions I would love to ask you,

Thank You.

http://www.911inplanesite.com/



http://www.911inplanesite.com/images2004/911dvd_med_b.jpg



http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/beyond_treason.jpg


You don't want answers, you just want confirmation that it was all a big conspiracy. Smart Ass remarks are all your post are worth.

[johnsmith]

Should we have a You must at least 17 years old to reply sign in this forum? Keep posting son, your making the Bush lovers look bad and I love it :lol


Was that a shot at me? I think it was. It was terrible, but still, I'd like confirmation.

If it was a shot at me, how am I making Bush lovers look bad? By saying that conspiracy theories are fucking retarded? I don't understand, Pop.

Oh God, by the way, I absolutely fucking love when people try to insult others and then screw up their post. For example, "you must at least 17 years old to reply"........That sentence just doesn't make sense. I'm pretty damn near positive you left out a word there Dad. The best part about it is that I only make mistakes like that (and I think it's the case for most people) when I'm blind with rage, so therefore, we now know just how upset it makes you when someone listens to your entire "theory" and still calls you an idiot.

[I am Tom]

You don't want answers, you just want confirmation that it was all a big conspiracy. Smart Ass remarks are all your post are worth.

That is not true. I saw the movie war of the worlds and I posted in a forum what other thought of the movie and none of them seem to get thier panties all wadded up. why can't this forum not just answer the questions and stop with the bashing?

Maybe the Bush lovers do have something to hide.

[johnsmith]

That is not true. I saw the movie war of the worlds and I posted in a forum what other thought of the movie and none of them seem to get thier panties all wadded up. why can't this forum not just answer the questions and stop with the bashing?

Maybe the Bush lovers do have something to hide.


Is this a serious response?

[Dan Rather]

Was that a shot at me? fucking retarded? Oh God, fucking calls you an idiot.

After reading this, you may want to change the age limit to at least 15 years old :lmao

[101A]

Here

we

go.

[johnsmith]

After reading this, you may want to change the age limit to at least 15 years old :lmao


Changing quotes, now that's just weak.

[Moderator]

Back to the original topic................I have yet to see anyone who saw the video really give any reasons why it's fake, and to me that is the sad part about all this,

[johnsmith]

Back to the original topic................I have yet to see anyone who saw the video really give any reasons why it's fake, and to me that is the sad part about all this,


Who said it was fake? I can only assume that you mean why hasn't anyone debunked the conspiracy theory? The reason is that it has been done so many times via books, movies, magazines, and with our OWN EYES. If you want to debunk the "theory" for yourself then go look it up. Just google "9/11 conspiracy theories debunked" and if that doesn't work, try googling "stupid theories". If you are really sad about all this, I'd go see a therapist.

[mavs>spurs2]

I don't know whether or not 9/11 conspiracy theories are true, but i'm smart enough not to take the government's word for it.

[mouse]

Changing quotes, now that's just weak.

Are you now saying you didn't say Retarded,Fucking and Idiot?
That proves my point how fast Bush lovers are ready to cover up and renigg on what they say.
Maybe you have more in Incommin with Michale More that you know.

[nkdlunch]

You folks who came in here with you smart ass remarks and Conspiracy nut bashing is the whole reason this topic was made thank you for proving my point.

As for the rest of you like Nbadan and Yonnivore who like to show us pictures of Plane parts that don't match up to the plane that was in flight?

Until you see "In plane sight" or any other film that shows your wrong I really don't need your input since I want someone to tell me why those movies are wrong. And if your take was the right one? The why isn't your video for rent or for sell? I already saw 4 different documenties where many aircraft mechanics have said the rusty ass engine parts on the ground were not used in the plane that was carring the passengers that day, So save yourselves from posting them. they where all in the videos I have watched.
I will say this much, Not one of you have clicked on the link I provided
http://www.thepowerhour.com/ and gave me any solid proof that the Power hour was lying to people, so with that said? your no different than the so called Conspiracy nuts you seem to hate.

I will say this much, altough I did read everyones posts, and I do thank you for posting? I would love to hear from someone who acually saw the power hour documenty I still have more questions I would love to ask you,

Thank You.

did you read my response?


gentlemen, I live in DC and was in Rosslyn which is about a mile from Pentagon. I was at a training class on the 12th or so floor. and amazingly when the plane hit, we could walk to some office on that floor and see the wreckage. guess what?

it was a commercial plane.

also, we did not hear or even feel the plane hitting. but when walked outside we could smell the crash.


also I am one of those doubters that thinks its possible that other flight that crashed in PA was hit by a missile. why not? it makes sense.


my point was, get out of your house more often and TALK to people instead of watching too many documentaries.. You will meet some people that have first hand experience of some of these events

I don't have any problem with conspiracy theorists. but some truth you can find with just talking to people.

[johnsmith]

:lmao
Are you now saying you didn't say Retarded,Fucking and Idiot?
That proves my point how fast Bush lovers are ready to cover up and renigg on what they say.
Maybe you have more in Incommin with Michale More that you know.


:lmao :lmao :lmao

See, why can't people that want to argue at least throw more stuff out there that cracks me up and keeps me entertained. Well played mouse.

[johnsmith]

I have a conspiracy theory. Everyone actually defending that 9/11 was a conspiracy, they are the same person, just posting under different names.

[I am Tom]

try googling "stupid theories".

Ok I just Googled "stupid theories" what did that prove you reatrded fucking idiot!















sorry just trying to relate to this person on his level.

[johnsmith]

Ok I just Googled "stupid theories" what did that prove you reatrded fucking idiot!

I'm sorry, I've never heard of a reatrded fucking idiot.

[johnsmith]

Ok I just Googled "stupid theories" what did that prove you reatrded fucking idiot!


However, if you actually did google that, it proves that you are yourself, a reatrded idiot. :lol :lol

[mouse]

did you read my response?




my point was, get out of your house more often and TALK to people instead of watching too many documentaries.. You will meet some people that have first hand experience of some of these events

I don't have any problem with conspiracy theorists. but some truth you can find with just talking to people.


You have a good point, I did leave my trailer yesterday and the first person I talked to said he saw Bigfoot fishing for Bass. Maybe you like going to Joe the Butcher for your stock tips, But I don't see how going outside will bring any light on this subject, You have to remember I live in San Antonio :lmao

[TheSanityAnnex]

Mouse just wadded up the entire political forum panty. :lol

[gtownspur]

mouse has been pwned!!!!!!

[101A]

I have a conspiracy theory. Everyone actually defending that 9/11 was a conspiracy, they are the same person, just posting under different names.


You think Mouse might be working you by posting under different names?

THAT is a crazy theory.

[gtownspur]

You think Mouse might be working you by posting under different names?

THAT is a crazy theory.


WHat's funny is that half of the troll forum posted here replying too johnsmith's remarks.

[gtownspur]

Those Rightwing Bush supporters NbaDan, Random Guy, and NkD are sure weighing mouse down. I mean they're bush love is so blatant.

[gtownspur]

I think Mark CUban having a wife is a conspiracy.

[johnsmith]

WHat's funny is that half of the troll forum posted here replying too johnsmith's remarks.


So is that the best that the "trolls" can do?

[mouse]

You guys are a real peice of work. You rather say jokes and talk trolls than to answer a few questions, Well I can see I picked the wrong forum for what I was looking for. I will turn this place over back to the original posters.
Thank you.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/logo1.gif

[johnsmith]

You think Mouse might be working you by posting under different names?

THAT is a crazy theory.


I'm sorry, I've never really looked at the "trolls" forum nor did I know what they did. So let me get this straight, they come onto other forums, make terrible fucking points, then pretend that they are other people and make terrible points again. Then, when you ridicule them until they stop, you are the one that's been "worked"?

[George W Bush]

I refuse to agree with the dissenters who
say there is evidence of a coverup or conspiracy about 9/11.

We got rid of all that.

[Neo]

Mouse, I know the truth.

[Nbadan]

This thread is a freakin Political Forum classic - Thanks Mouse!!

:lol


:smokin

[Molester]

mouse has been pwned!!!!!!

Is that all this palce means to you who gets pwned? what the hell happend to the politcs forum I used to enjoy reading?

JohnSmith how young are you? PM me.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Its funny because mouse's initial post was why are we conspiracy nuts, and then everyone started calling us conspiracy nuts.

Nice.

[Ryu]

Aw, f*** it, I'm not even going to wait for the answer.

Let's use some common sense.

Conservative Assumption:
It would take 4000 man/hours per highjacker to identify each one. This is the equivalent of one person working full-time for 2 years (and giving him/her a two week vacation).

4000*19=76,000

Conservative Assumption #2:
There were only 1,000 people assigned/performing the task of figuring out whodunnit.

76,000/1000=76.

It would take 1000 people 3 days to produce the names of all 19 highjackers, using very conservative assumptions.

Less conservative assumption #1:
It takes 1000 hours to find the identity of each of the 19 jackasses. (one person, full-time for 6 months)

Less conservative assumption #2:
There were 5000 people working on finding the identities of those 19 jackasses.

That calculation gives a real time figure of less than 4 hours.

You wanted people who question things, you got it. I doubt, however, you will like MY questions as much as you like yours.



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HADUKEN!!!

[Spurminator]

Wait a minute... Did I really see Dan DEBUNKING a conspiracy theory in this thread? Have mine eyes deceived me?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

leave it up to mouse to start the hottest political thread, basically a microcosm of america, even nbadan shunned him

RACK
THAT
MOUSE

[Ozzman]

What the heck is this??? are you all on some odd form of fungusi? lol what is this???

[Phenomanul]

You guys are a real peice of work. You rather say jokes and talk trolls than to answer a few questions, Well I can see I picked the wrong forum for what I was looking for. I will turn this place over back to the original posters.
Thank you.

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Some of the articles in that website are pretty interesting.... thanks mouse.

I always like knowing both sides of an argument well before I can wedge myself too deep into a corner that I cannot then escape.

[RandomGuy]

conpiracy crap censored for my sanity--RG]

Thank You.[/I]


Bullshit. You don't "want answers". You don't want to ask questions. If you really wanted either you would go to the many debunking sites that adequately address all the "questions" about 9-11.

You came in here to preach your religion.

If you TRULY wanted answers they are all out there. There are PLENTY of debunking websites about this horsecrap.

Don't waste my time.

[RandomGuy]

You have a good point, I did leave my trailer yesterday and the first person I talked to said he saw Bigfoot fishing for Bass. Maybe you like going to Joe the Butcher for your stock tips, But I don't see how going outside will bring any light on this subject, You have to remember I live in San Antonio :lmao

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[RandomGuy]

That is not true. I saw the movie war of the worlds and I posted in a forum what other thought of the movie and none of them seem to get thier panties all wadded up. why can't this forum not just answer the questions and stop with the bashing?

Maybe the Bush lovers do have something to hide.
:lmao

Bush will go down in history as one of, if not THE, worst president in US history.

I don't "love Bush".

I hate the pseudo-science BULLSHIT one has to believe to buy into the conspiracy theories. I don't need to answer the questions, as they have been answered long before now.

As I said, go preach your religion someplace else, I ain't buyin'.

[Nbadan]

As long as were debunking conspiracy theories, anyone wanna take on what happened to WTC building 7? Controlled demolition, structural damage from a fire or something else?

[Molester]

Bullshit. You don't "want answers".
If you TRULY wanted answers they are all out there.

Psssst! maybe he wanted to hear from folks in this forum? just a heads up brah!




There are PLENTY of debunking websites about this horsecrap.

Then why have this forum if everyone is going to just look for other sites to have conversations?


Don't waste my time.
Your the one who took time from your job at kinkos to read this topic and then you took all of your lunch break to reply. But after reading your harsh words that brought nothing to the subject? I will have to say you wasted my time in the process also.

[dirk4mvp.]

Bush will go down in history as one of, if not THE, worst president in US history.

I don't "love Bush".



There are many websites out there for Bush bashing, Don't waste my time with your horse crap! I ain't buying!

[Winston Wolf]

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Maybe if you put down the X Box controller for 5 minutes and read the post above his, you wll see who he was responding to. nkdlunch said.....



Quote:

Originally Posted by nkdlunch
get out of your house more often and TALK to peoplenkdlunch instead of watching too many documentaries..


Then mouse said..........





You have a good point, I did leave my trailer yesterday and the first person I talked to said he saw Bigfoot fishing for Bass. Maybe you like going to Joe the Butcher for your stock tips, But I don't see how going outside will bring any light on this subject, You have to remember I live in San Antonio

what is so hard for you to understand?

[Suns Fan]

As long as were debunking conspiracy theories, anyone wanna take on what happened to WTC building 7? Controlled demolition, structural damage from a fire or something else?


I have a few things on that subject I would love to say but, I am not sure I want to piss off Randomguy or be called a fucking retard by John Smith.

[Nbadan]

I have a few things on that subject I would love to say but, I am not sure I want to piss off Randomguy or be called a fucking retard by John Smith.

I have a few theories too, but nothing set in stone. There is so much disinformation out there about this subject it's time-consuming trying to research what's real and what's not real. I'm sure Random and Mr. Smith would like to hear your ideas.

[RandomGuy]

Psssst! maybe he wanted to hear from folks in this forum? just a heads up brah!

No, he didn't want to hear from folks, "brah" :rolleyes he wanted validation for his religion. He wants, as people who buy into this cult always do, converts. I suspect that is what you are looking for too.

Converts, not questions, not to hear others' viewpoints, but converts.

[RandomGuy]

You have a good point, I did leave my trailer yesterday and the first person I talked to said he saw Bigfoot fishing for Bass. Maybe you like going to Joe the Butcher for your stock tips, But I don't see how going outside will bring any light on this subject, You have to remember I live in San Antonio ---mouse

what is so hard for you to understand?

Please explain the link between bigfoot, bass fishing, stock tips, a butcher, or livining in san antonio to anything in this thread.

Please use small words so we all understand.

[RandomGuy]

I have a few things on that subject I would love to say but, I am not sure I want to piss off Randomguy or be called a fucking retard by John Smith.

(shrugs)

This is a subject against which I have beaten my head against for 5 years.

I will make you the deal. If you are really reticent, I will tone it down to my normal self. My rant here is/was a bit out of character.

[101A]

About the most polite "rant" I've ever seen RG. No need to apologize (especially since I don't think anyone noticed).

[RandomGuy]

About the most polite "rant" I've ever seen RG. No need to apologize (especially since I don't think anyone noticed).

:depressed

Aw man, it doesn't count as a real rant?

I used curse words, the little soapbox smiley, an' stuff.

(sighs)

I guess I will have to stick to my schtick of being relatively respectful with only the occasional lapse of temper.

[cheguevara]

what about the purposeful bombing of certain levees during katrina, so the water floods only poor neighborhoods and avoids rich/white neighborhoods?

[George W Bush]

what about the purposeful bombing of certain levees during katrina, so the water floods only poor neighborhoods and avoids rich/white neighborhoods?

I demand for you to stop spreading these facts
about my administration or face the consequeces.