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If the government has nothing to hide....why are they so afraid to answer a few questions? This-story-does-not-add-up.
(from lies lies lies by ministry)
Why is it if a person wants answers about the war or 9/11, they are left wing Bush bashing conspiracy fanatics?
I would love to know the real reason Troops are dying in Iraq does that make me a Bush basher or un American?
Why is it if someone questions why the Pentagon looks like it was hit with a Missile and not a plane, is all of a sudden a Conspiracy nut?
I have spoken to many posters who read this forum but won't post because 90% of you will label them. If you don't agree with something Bush does your a far left winger. If you think the troops need to stay in Iraq your a Bush lover.
Is there any real reason this takes place on a daily basis? I would like to know why the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized all the passengers, luggage and chairs, and yet you can find Books and PC monitors with hardly a burn mark right in the area of the so called plane strike zone.
I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....
If the government has nothing to hide....why are they so afraid to answer a few questions? This-story-does-not-add-up.
(from lies lies lies by ministry)
So what "questions" have not been answered? How exactly does the story not add up?
Okay, mouse, I won't label you but, the plane didn't disintegrate:
There are other pictures. Several sites have completely debunked the "cruise missile" myth. Check it out.
As far as the war in Iraq. If you're not convinced of the legitimacy of the war by now, you never will be. So, why argue?
Aircraft are thin aluminum tubes built with loose tolerances to account for expansion/contraction that occurs with changes in temperature and air pressure. Most crashes end up looking like a few tiny scraps of metal that don't seem to add up to the amount of material you would expect there to be.
Read this from
Popular Mechanics.
You're not a nut for asking, as long as you examine the evidence honestly. And remember that most conspiracy theories require that our government be exceptionally brilliant and competent (Katrina) and so secretive as to be whistleblower proof (Valerie Plame, NSA wiretapps, secret CIA prisons, etc.)
Why? Because the conservatives have spent the last 25 years funding think tanks (to the tune of 400mil last year, if I remeber correctly) to FRAME THE DEBATE to the point that any dissent makes you a traitor. By framing the debate, I mean that the neo-cons use language and meanings of language to insinuate views into the worldview surrounding the debate that people don't even notice, but that shift the debate in a certain direction. Want to know more, read this - it's an easy read with many examples:
http://www.chelseagreen.com/about/po...ice/news/july1
It's a clever, insidious ploy used much better by neo-cons than by the left. It's the stuff Lakoff and Chomsky point out that is far too subtle for the Average Joe to give a about. It is the way we are all manipulated by those with power.
Not by reasonable standards, no, but by the neocon-framing, most definitely.
Nice sigs, BTW.
If you have Bitlord, or a membership to blockbuster? check out "In Plane sight" They show at least 20 to 25 different things that don't add up. Very enteresting film. I would like answers too and I voted for Bush.
All pictures of the pentagon damage show a hole like half the size of what would really have happened if an airplane had hit it, also like mouse said there were not nearly enough remnants, not even the ultra dense turbines were found.
The biggest unanswered quetsions are in regards to the plane that crashed in the middle of nowhere, almost everyone at hte scene said they were dumbfounded by not finding any body parts or blood. They pretty much all concluded that they were just looking at a big giant hole. Also no plane parts were there either.
Also its fishy as to how the passangers supposedly got phonecalls out, when towers allowing that sort of communication were extremely rare in 2001.
Thats just stuff coming off the top of my head.
Watch this:
http://www.loosechange911.com/
These two young dudes were on Democracy Now! debating two editors from Popular Mechanics who wrote a book "debunking the 9/11 conspiracies" and they were just spitting out lies trying to refute the two young guys who made Loose Change. Saying how the pentagon coincidentally installed bomb proof windows weeks before 9/11 and ..
Save me the trip to Blockbuster and lets hear some examples.
Ok then why no Blood? all the other crashes show seats, blood, luggage, and body parts. hair, teeth.fingers, rings, watches, wallets.. why is it they said the plane that hit the WTC tower cooked all the metal ,seats, passengers glass, etc...and yet they found a wallet of one of the so called hyjackers with no burn marks on it? Just to find out the man is still alive and wasn't even on the plane in the first place?
That is hard to do if the Goverment won't show the video of the so called plane hitting the pentagon. Kinda like a moderator asking you to show a topic where you was called an asshole by Tpark after he already deleted it.Read this from
Popular Mechanics.
You're not a nut for asking, as long as you examine the evidence honestly.
You can have a conspiracy without the theory, Look at the JFK shooting? Is it a theory, or did it really take place? But is there a conspiracy on who was responcible?And remember that most conspiracy theories
The 9/11 so called conspiracy theories are not anymore as we uncover more truth day by day, Hitting the lotto can be a theory until you buy a ticket then it becomes a probability ,then the more tickets you purchase you can win and it becomes fact,
I was in the Army, and many times I had no idea if what I was doing was legal but I did as i was told so many folks might not have any Idea they are part of a cover up if they are left in the dark also. Are you saying if your PC sent out 2,500.00 emails from a trojan Virus you knew it was going on? And if you fixed the problem before your boss found out would you really go in his office to tell him something that could get you fired? or will you keep quiet and take that 10,000.00 dollar bonus waiting for you at Xmas?require that our government be exceptionally brilliant and competent (Katrina) and so secretive as to be whistleblower proof (Valerie Plame, NSA wiretapps, secret CIA prisons, etc.)
For starters the Goverment gave the media 5 still photos from the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon and the dates where not correct. Then over 100 pilots said they could not fly a plane that low to the ground and not hit any light posts, The plane was in route from the other side of the pentagon and made a circus like 180 loop that would make the Red Baron himself roll in his grave as it all of a sudden leveled out at 5 feet off the ground? and hit the only part of the Pentagon that was being worked on? what are the chances?
And to think the the Pentagon is the most secured building in the United States and they have no cameras of what took place? No cameras inside were working? And why would they run accross the street to grab the video tape from the local gas station?
This person knows his , thanks for the info.
Okay, mouse, I won't label you but, the plane didn't disintegrate:
There are other pictures. Several sites have completely debunked the "cruise missile" myth. Check it out.
As far as the war in Iraq. If you're not convinced of the legitimacy of the war by now, you never will be. So, why argue?
Thank you for posting that photo. That part you see belongs to an un manned plane like this one.
Many of these drone type aircraft are used to carry missles. Funny how it showed up on radar only 5 minutes before the attack in a so called no fly zone.
If your worried about the black icopters? you can always use net flicks.
...so those drones are made of bare rivetted aluminum with painted stripes?Thank you for posting that photo. That part you see belongs to an un manned plane like this one.
Many of these drone type aircraft are used to carry missles. Funny how it showed up on radar only 5 minutes before the attack in a so called no fly zone.
Okay, mouse, I won't label you but, the plane didn't disintegrate:
Ok so no bodies,chairs,suitcases,and blood made it through the intense heat but that very thin and very clean piece of metal did?
Haha..haven't heard that one yet. So the drone crashed into the Pentagon carring a bomb? Gotta love these threads.Thank you for posting that photo. That part you see belongs to an un manned plane like this one.
Many of these drone type aircraft are used to carry missles. Funny how it showed up on radar only 5 minutes before the attack in a so called no fly zone.
Lets see here.....
1. Can't keep a secret wiretap program under wraps. Nope
2. Can't keep secret CIA prisons? Nope
Yet somehow they could blow up several buildings in NY and bomb the Pentagon.
Of course. Its the American Airlines Edition Predator.
Why not ask the over 100 Mechanics who have been quoted saying none of the so called parts they have place where the media cameras can see match up.
The so called turbo engine part they show in the photo doesn't even belong to the type of plane they said was hyjacked in the first place, Then again your talking about the same folks who are so smart they forgot to put 9/11 date on the pictures they gave the media instead of 9/12 another blooper.
I am sure if I wanted to use my truck to run over Yonnivore and make it look like it was UPS I would be smart enough to at least paint it Brown first.
For someone who can't take the 2 hour drive into town to rent one of the 10 do entries on how this cover up smells like ? you seem to know alot.
You have the easy part, you get to sit back like Yonnivore and make all of us do the hard part and try to prove there is a GOD when you can't prove there isn't a GOD, Just beacuse we don't have all the facts doesn't mean the bull we have been given is the truth. But I am so happy you and your Bush loving firends go by some painted plane part on the grass photo, that just further proves the Govermant was right by putting it there in the first place they knew 90% of you tree hugging Americans are so gulluble your willing to pay 4.50 for a 99 cent gallon of gas? you may just stop eating Spinach altogether.
I certainly don't love Bush, or the direction this country is headed, but that doesn't mean it 9/11 was a conspiracy by the Bush Administration. And yes, you DO have the burden of proof on this one. You have to prove they secretly planted demolition explosives on the exact floors of the WTC those bersome airliners happened to crash into. You have to prove the governemt managed to shoot down the hijacked airliner headed for D.C. over some remote are where no-one noticed, cleaned up the evidence and then launched their own drone/missle to blow up the side of the Pentagon.
There was a conspiracy; a TERRORIST conspiracy by Al Qaeda, to hijack airliners and fly them into buildings; a simple plan that doesn't require the byzantine complexity of your conspiracy theory. I'm sorry if 9/11 so violated your false sense of security to the point that you simply can't accept that the U.S. could be taken off guard like this, but happens.
I've seen tons of stuff on this issue and I've concluded that Flight 77 hit the building. None of these conspiracy sites/films gave me any info that led me to believe otherwise.
Look, its really doesnt matter if you "think" there is a cover up or that I don't "think" there was. Believe what you want. I'm not gonna change your mind and you wont change mine.
Not sure about the whole tree hugger statement though.
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