View Full Version : I guess it comes down to what's important to you
Ocotillo
10-16-2006, 06:13 PM
Atrios (http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_10_15_atrios_archive.html#116101656816512784)
I linked to Atrios because he is quoting Krugman and Krugman is behind the subscriber wall at the NY Times:
The current Congress has shown no inclination to investigate the Bush administration. Last year The Boston Globe offered an illuminating comparison: when Bill Clinton was president, the House took 140 hours of sworn testimony into whether Mr. Clinton had used the White House Christmas list to identify possible Democratic donors. But in 2004 and 2005, a House committee took only 12 hours of testimony on the abuses at Abu Ghraib.
Let that sink in for a moment. That tells you where the priorities of the Republican party are. They have no interest in the welfare of this nation unless there is something in it for them. They ran endless witchhunts during the Clinton administration but nary an investigation of anything the Bushies have done, nothing about what corrupt Repubs like Cunningham, Ney, Delay, etc...... It's all about the power with these guys. To hell with the people, they will lie, smear, cover up, break the law, whatever it takes to hang on to power, or should they be out of power, to take it back.
George Gervin's Afro
10-16-2006, 09:07 PM
Atrios (http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_10_15_atrios_archive.html#116101656816512784)
I linked to Atrios because he is quoting Krugman and Krugman is behind the subscriber wall at the NY Times:
The current Congress has shown no inclination to investigate the Bush administration. Last year The Boston Globe offered an illuminating comparison: when Bill Clinton was president, the House took 140 hours of sworn testimony into whether Mr. Clinton had used the White House Christmas list to identify possible Democratic donors. But in 2004 and 2005, a House committee took only 12 hours of testimony on the abuses at Abu Ghraib.
Let that sink in for a moment. That tells you where the priorities of the Republican party are. They have no interest in the welfare of this nation unless there is something in it for them. They ran endless witchhunts during the Clinton administration but nary an investigation of anything the Bushies have done, nothing about what corrupt Repubs like Cunningham, Ney, Delay, etc...... It's all about the power with these guys. To hell with the people, they will lie, smear, cover up, break the law, whatever it takes to hang on to power, or should they be out of power, to take it back.
Considering what Bush has been responsible for and the faulty information he used to start a war this pretty pathetic. I know Bush lovers I hate America, I want the terrorist to win, I'm not for keeping our guys as bait in Iraq.. call me a horrible person
FromWayDowntown
10-16-2006, 10:27 PM
Obviously, the difference is that all of the accusations about Clinton were true, while all of the stuff on Bush is a fabrication about completely meaningless issues or an incontrovertibly permissible exercise of constitutional authority. [/sarcasm]
Yonivore
10-16-2006, 11:04 PM
Obviously, the difference is that all of the accusations about Clinton were true, while all of the stuff on Bush is a fabrication about completely meaningless issues or an incontrovertibly permissible exercise of constitutional authority.
Fixed.
ChumpDumper
10-16-2006, 11:22 PM
:sucker Fixed.
George Gervin's Afro
10-17-2006, 06:59 AM
Obviously, the difference is that all of the accusations about Clinton were true, while all of the stuff on Bush is a fabrication about completely meaningless issues or an incontrovertibly permissible exercise of constitutional authority. [/sarcasm]
Yes it's all a bunch of coincedences and people out just to get Bush. He has been 100% right all along..
boutons_
10-17-2006, 07:16 AM
Typical is Clinton handling dubya a FEMA that was widely acknowledged an an excellent, functioning agency, and dubya's FEMA then handing the US Katrina.
dubya has actually made the efficiency of the US govt regress, which is exactly what the Repug ideology wants.
According to the Repugs, the govt is supposed to fuck up, so the Repugs fucking up the govt is Mission Accomplished.
JoeChalupa
10-17-2006, 07:29 AM
How anyone can not see the hypocrisy in this administration and Congress is beyond me. Well, except for Yonivore.
And when Democrats had the House and Senate?
Should we revisit the Clarence Thomas hearings? THAT was important, huh. Pubic hairs on Coke cans and all that. Anita Hill was completely believable, right? Screw substantiation; we need to get to the bottom of this.
Anytime Congress and the President are of the same party; the president is largely given a pass; and when they are contolled by opposing parties, the President is given hell.
When the Democrats control all three (possibly in '08) the roles will be EXACTLY reversed. There may be two teams, but there's only one playbook.
Ocotillo
10-17-2006, 10:11 AM
And when Democrats had the House and Senate?
It was even friggin' close. This is "movement" conservatism in action. There is no desire for bi-partisanship, only power. Reagan and Tip O'Neill famously disagreed politically but the two men worked together and at the end of the day respected one another.
Newt began this with his grab for power. Once he had the House, the Clinton investigations were non-stop.
From Digby (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/) :
He was ostensibly speaking about the president having an affair but it is redolent of the common Republican view that after Ronald Reagan, the Republicans had a permanent lock on the presidency that was rudely foiled by this interloper. Republicans constantly mentioned that Clinton won with a 43% plurality and therefore, 57% of the nation had rejected him. Oliver North even said "he's not my commander in chief," during his unsuccessful race for the Senate. Senator Jesse Helms said [Bill Clinton] "better watch out if he comes down here [to North Carolina]. He'd better have a bodyguard."
And Dan Burton publically referred to the sitting President as a "scumbag".
Sure, there are good Republicans. But more and more, they are being tossed aside by these far right wing nuts that have claimed the party and siezed control of our country. It is not about what is right for our country, it is what is right for the party. They put the GOP elephant ahead of the American eagle.
How about the Dems wanting to investigate the original "October Surprise"; not because there was evidence that Bush I hopped in an SR71 and flew to Paris to meet with Terrorists, but because the "Charges were so serious"?
Ocotillo
10-17-2006, 11:07 AM
How about the Dems wanting to investigate the original "October Surprise"; not because there was evidence that Bush I hopped in an SR71 and flew to Paris to meet with Terrorists, but because the "Charges were so serious"?
I'll see your October Suprise and raise you a White House travel agency.
jman3000
10-17-2006, 11:16 AM
There may be two teams, but there's only one playbook.
:tu
that's exactly the way I see it. we're fucked either way with politics today.
I'll see your October Suprise and raise you a White House travel agency.
:bang :lol
Ocotillo
10-18-2006, 11:00 AM
In the same vein of what's important to you.....
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/17radio_lg.jpg
Bush gave an hour and a half of American taxpayer time to the shills in the above photo.
Recall, earlier in the year, he gathered all the living former Secretaries of State and gave them less than an hour and of that, less than 15 minutes to speak at the gathering.
It all comes down to priorites doesn't it?
In the same vein of what's important to you.....
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/17radio_lg.jpg
Bush gave an hour and a half of American taxpayer time to the shills in the above photo.
Recall, earlier in the year, he gathered all the living former Secretaries of State and gave them less than an hour and of that, less than 15 minutes to speak at the gathering.
It all comes down to priorites doesn't it?
There's plenty of red meat policy issues you can bash Bush over the head with and make headway. I find it odd that you are bashing a politician for behaving like one a month out from a mid-term election.
The cynicical side of this is that Bush is trying like hell to win this election to keep Dems from investigating his administration, uncovering crap, and well, taking it as far as they can.
The other side is that, realistically, if he truly beleives in his policies, he needs a Republican Congress to keep advance them; a Democratic Congress would not do so. Mobilizing his base in this election in an absolute necessity, as most polls show dire consequences if that base doesn't get out IN DROVES. Meeting with the men in that picture could, in fact, help to do that. So, it is perfectly reasonable for Bush to believe that meeting with those men at that time IS doing the work of the country.
Ocotillo
10-18-2006, 11:22 AM
End justifies the means eh.........
You can do all sorts of things with that logic.
End justifies the means eh.........
You can do all sorts of things with that logic.
...and politicians do.
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