Is Duncan back to MVP level?

[mathbzh]

Tim stats for the last 3 games:

23 pts / 15 rds / 3.3 ast / 2.6 bl in 37 minutes

Do you think TD could keep this MVP pace for all the season?
Do you think he should?
Do you prefer him to play less in the regular season (IMO, when it is possible he should play 30 minutes nothing more)?

[Sense]

Duncan will never get another MVP. The players around him now are too good. He has 3 All-stars or former all-stars in Finley, TP, and Manu. He also has the best defensive guard in the league. Without Timmy, we would still have a good chance at making the playoffs. If Wade, LeBron, Nash, and Chris Paul missed the entire year with an injury, their teams would have no chance.

I say he will get it if we get the best record in the NBA.. and his stats are atleast 21-12-3-1

[TDMVPDPOY]

if we can sumhow get 65-68 wins then yes

[polandprzem]

Duncan will never get another MVP. The players around him now are too good. He has 3 All-stars or former all-stars in Finley, TP, and Manu. He also has the best defensive guard in the league. Without Timmy, we would still have a good chance at making the playoffs. If Wade, LeBron, Nash, and Chris Paul missed the entire year with an injury, their teams would have no chance.

Do they have that big chance winning it all?

[polandprzem]

BTW Tim was at MVP level last year


if not thos PF

[dg7md]

He's on MVP LEVEL, and I believe if we get close to 65 wins that he will be a highly considered candidate if not the winner.

Wade won't be MVP unless the Heat turnaround big time, Kobe won't because of his surgery, and I think that it's between James and Duncan for a long run, but Redd has been amazing this year, but I really doubt he gets that type of honor.

The usual candidates will be there though, even if they don't "deserve" it.

Right now it's between James and Duncan, honestly, who can argue with that about impact players?

No way Nash or Paul gets MVP, Paul might in 3 years, but nobody will vote for him I think, and Nash deserved the MVP in 05, but in 06 the MVP of the league was Kobe by far, yet, Nash got it. Anyway, that's another rant for another time!

[AFBlue]

I don't think he'll get the MVP, but I honestly don't care. I just want him to stay healthy and give 20/12 production on the season. There will be other players on good, but not great, teams that will have superior numbers. Duncan will be in the convo if he's @ 22pts/12rebs/3blks a game, but I doubt he takes it.

If we need Duncan in the game to score, then he should play, but if we're getting enough production from our bench (Beno, Fin, Barry, etc.) then I agree with you that he should sit.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wade won't be MVP unless the Heat turnaround big time, Kobe won't because of his surgery, and I think that it's between James and Duncan for a long run, but Redd has been amazing this year, but I really doubt he gets that type of honor.


with or without wins, wade will be a candidate, thats how lame it is

atm the mvp has lebron james carved on it already, its just a process of proving the voters wrong. Nba and bspn can just give it to him now if they wanted

tim duncan will need to post up 23 13 3 63+ wins if his to be considered a real threat.

nash wont get it, since his suns are off to a slow start.

kidd has been playin out of his ass lately, triple doubles here and there, his got a good chance if the nets can get 50 wins.

KG once again is up there with the pack with his stats, but not enough wins imo.

Yao ming can also win it, but it looks like as long his always 2nd option on offense behind tmac, the rockets will continue to lose games.....no way robin<batman.

[MI21]

23/13/4/3 on 50+% and probably 64-68 wins and Tim would be in with a shot. Certainly wouldn't be set in stone.

If Cleveland win over 50 games, LeBron will win it. He is going to average in excess of 30-6-6.

[Nikos]

I wish Duncan would play like his 2001-2004 self. That was his prime and I hope he can rediscover and improve upon his play from that era. He certainly isn't old, and it isn't impossible for him to get back to that level.

I miss the old Duncan's production.

[SAGambler]

No more MVPs for Duncan.

Like someone pointed out, Duncan could go down, and this team could still win.

[bdictjames]

Id rather have another championship trophy that an MVP award. Just ask Nash :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

seriously i prefer duncan to win dpoy << how many times was he robbed from ben wallace, looks liek ben is a busts with the bulls without rasheeds mantoman defense. looks like a good year for duncan to win dpoy, if he can prop up his blocks...

[aaronstampler]

I think his numbers will suffer too much on those second nights of back to backs for him to have a shot. He might have a tough game tonight vs. Okafor, but Charlotte played yesterday too.

Still, I think we're gonna need Tony, Oberto, and Bones tonight.

[hitmanyr2k]

Anyone who thinks Duncan is at an MVP level is blind, a homer, or both. He's been nothing near MVP level this year. Missed FTs late in the game, whining like crazy, outside shot looking like garbage, etc. To be honest he looks a lot like he did last year...very slow and lethargic at times. If it weren't for the heroics of the bench last night along with Elson's inspired play this thread wouldn't even exist right now.

[pichichi63]

I think Duncan has the mvp level this year, bui it'll be not enough to win the mvp award!!!!

[TDMVPDPOY]

mvp you guys talkin about most valuable pansy?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Duncan won't be at MVP levels because the Spurs don't need him to be. I think if called upon to do so he COULD have an MVP season, but he's got his eyes on the big prize. Instead he's content to do only what he needs to do to help them win and stay rested and healthy for the title run. With the exception of his free throws he's been pretty damn good in the clutch in the close games this year on both ends of the floor, so the talent is still there when called upon.

I think it's called a case of Horry-itis.

[Jimcs50]

If Spurs run away in the West, and TD averages close to his current numbers, he could very well be MVP.

The only caveat? With all the preseason hype about Lebron. So, if Lebron's Cavs win division and are seeded 1st or 2nd, he might get the nod.

[TDMVPDPOY]

If Spurs run away in the West, and TD averages close to his current numbers, he could very well be MVP.

The only caveat? With all the preseason hype about Lebron. So, if Lebron's Cavs win division and are seeded 1st or 2nd, he might get the nod.

unless the spurs set a new franchise record or beat bulls record 72-10 << i can see that is possible....

[K-State Spur]

No more MVPs for Duncan.

Like someone pointed out, Duncan could go down, and this team could still win.

Could win what? 45 games and a 7 or 8 seed?

[Texas_Ranger]

Yes, but it will not be enough to win the price.

[Shaolin-Style]

Lebron stays steady there's no question he'll get it no matter what.

TD will always have them pointing to Tony and Manu as excuses no matter what he does, and that is why he won't be considered seriously, which is sad but true.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Timmy may return (indeed may already be returned) to MVP level of play, but he will never recieve another MVP award. His time for that has past, and there are far to many (shinier, showier, newer, younger) up-and-comers who will get the MVP consideration attention.

[JamStone]

LeBron is likely unless the Cavs really suck down the road. If Kobe can make the Lakers a top four team in the WC (highly unlikely), he'll have a chance at it. And, then there are guys like Dirk and Wade, if their teams win a lot of games, might get an edge over Duncan simply because Duncan won two already.

[TurkishTimDuncan]

Tony parker says that: You can wn match without Duncan But you cant win champion"Duncan is always mvp.If Duncan go to another team(keep God)We don t have chance for champions. But we can champions without Tp or manu

[AFBlue]

Anyone who thinks Duncan is at an MVP level is blind, a homer, or both. He's been nothing near MVP level this year. Missed FTs late in the game, whining like crazy, outside shot looking like garbage, etc. To be honest he looks a lot like he did last year...very slow and lethargic at times. If it weren't for the heroics of the bench last night along with Elson's inspired play this thread wouldn't even exist right now.

I'm sorry, since you seem to be such an avid Spurs fan, I'm sure you've seen every game right? <<sarcasm>> You probably based your assessment on Sportscenter highlights. What those highlights didn't show is that Duncan has 4 double-doubles in 7 games and made 6 of 9 on FT that night you are referring to. No his bank shot may not be going in, but he still makes great plays in the post and draws fouls. His numbers thus far this year are on par with previous seasons (before last year) and if you were a fan you'd know he always looks lacksadasical....that's why no one ever realizes he's there and the next thing you know he's dropped 20 and grabbed 15 rebounds. Try basing your opinion somewhat on fact next time.

[v2freak]

Without Duncan, I'd see the Spurs achieving a 44-38 season (most of the losses being close)

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I don't think it's sad that Tim won't possibly win another MVP.
1. He doesn't need to because he has two back-to-backs already
2. He doesn't mind sharing the limelight with two other great players
3. Just being considered among the top 5 is complimentary enough, given that he doesn't have to shoulder the load anymore.
I like Tim because he doesn't care about personal awards as much as the others, sure any person would like to get recognized but he doesn't complain about this stuff (like not making first team-All NBA last year), which makes him classy.. All that those personal accolades are incidental awards that happened along when he was trying to get a win for the team. Which reflects a lot on the players' mentalities on this team. It's refreshing and that humility will set him above his contemporaries in the long run.

[K-State Spur]

All this being said:

Finals MVP > Regular Season MVP

[td4mvp21]

He's close but not there yet.

[Chris Childs]

Tim Duncan is a great player.

[TDMVPDPOY]

with duncan we lose on b2bs, without duncan we will lose to elite teams in the nba, and scrub teams have a better chance at beatin us.

[duncanchick21]

thank u for saying that spurs fan in exile

[pipichan454]

i think duncan don't want get the Regular Season MVP,he only have one target-Finals MVP and Championship
last years,we lost the game with Mavericks,duncan was very disappointment,but he in the series' behave like a superman ,so ,this Regular that i believe duncan will back,no,was back ,our MVP!!

[Spursfury]

Timmy's been playing with a purpose this season,that being to get his team back to the finals were they belong.I think he plays 30+ every game if he's healthy.I know if he stays playing like this he gets my vote.Hopefully we hold that trophy in our hands next year screaming to Timmy MVP,MVP,MVP...

[phxspurfan]

Wow, we actually agree for once! (Or you read the second post in this thread) :lol

absolutely no way timmy gets another MVP. Why? The league (David Stern) doesn't want to see his boring ass get another trophy. He doesn't generate the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



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...that D Wade, LeBron, Shaq, Melo or even Nash do. Any of these guys winning trophies benefits the league more monetarily (incl Dirk) and youll see another birage of bs calls next May that verify this conspiracy theory.

[dallaskd]

He may be but he wont win it. Lebron will snatch it. which in my opinion is crap

[Leetonidas]

Tim Duncan may be the only player in the NBA that if you put him on almost any team they will be in the playoffs, but his fundamentally sound domination will go unnoticed because he has Manu and Tony. That, and King James will win it soley because he is the NBA's new icon.

Chris Paul has a better chance of winning it than Tim.

All that matters is the NBA Finals MVP, and I'd say Timmy has a damn good chance of winning that.

[wildbill2u]

Tim won't win because:

1. fundamentals don't beat pizzazz in the voters minds.
2. He has too many good players playing with him and that spread the wealth (stats)
3. He has too many good players on the team that make his contributions not as visibly or plausibly valuable as if he was carrying the team.
4. The voters are looking for a new generation player to give it to.

He could still be the finals MVP if we get that far.

[Brutalis]

Simple answer = Yes and duh.

[ponky]

I'm not being biased about Duncan when I say this (Mavs fan here), but I don't think he's going to win an MVP again. He's playing well but he's not even at the level that he played in the semis against the Mavericks where he averaged 32 ppg, 12 boards and nearly 3 blocks per game. The Spurs are going to have a great record but I also see the Cavs doing well and I could see Lebron getting the MVP if they don't implode for whatever reason. Although, there aren't lots of guys who will vie for MVP this year and because I don't think Nash with his back problems or Wade without his Shaq will get their teams to impressive winning records in the regular season, I could actually see Duncan at least vying for MVP with Lebron, Dirk, and, and, and...?

Ok, so after changing my initial analysis (I know, I know, I had to think it through while I typed) I'd say he's 50-50 to win another MVP but it's certainly a possibility.

[leemajors]

duncan doesn't need to put up gaudy stats and get an MVP for the spurs to succeed. he can still take over a game or series if needed, but we are better off in the long run trying to get everyone involved.

[whottt]

Unless the Spurs win 3-4+ more games than any other team or Duncan starts averaging about 28-13-3...he won't win the MVP on this team.

The MVP almost always goes to the best player on a top 4 division winner or top 4 team with the fewest All Star Teamates...or if it does go to a player on an extremely talented team....that team usually has to have far and away the best record in the league and his numbers must be standout even on that team.


Steve Nash is the exception to this rule but he is a unique case...his team was elite and without far and away the best record in the league, and he did have a ton of All Star teamates...however his position defining numbers were so superior offensively to any other PG in the league, and contributed so much directly to the offensive production of his teamates, that he had a unique case...both times he won it.


The award hardly ever goes to a guy on a team that isn't a division winner/elite....no matter how sick his numbers...ask Garnett.


With Parker and Manu on this team it's going to take about 67-68 wins for Duncan to win it...

LeBRon has a good chance of winning it this year...if his team doesn't go into a prolonged slump...

There are very few bigman MVP candidates this season IMO...I guess Boozer.

I think the strongest contenders this year so far are Baron Davis, Kobe, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, LeBron, and Boozer. Maybe Elton Brand...but he needs to up his numbers some.

[bosgezen]

http://www.nba.com/features/player_rankings.html

[TDMVPDPOY]

the letter N is already carved on the mvp trophy, writing it backwards, so duncan is still in it....next better be letter A....

[Mavs<Spurs]

Duncan is playing better than anybody else is playing in the NBA.

People always forget that basketball is not just about what you do on offense.

When you remember that, it is easy to see that Duncan is playing better than anybody else and deserves the mvp.

[TDMVPDPOY]

can i buy a catch phrase and solve the puzzle?

[SenorSpur]

The season is still very young, but the early returns on Duncan are very good. He's lively and more active than he normally is at this time of the year.

He's having a MONSTER first half against the Queens. Don't want to see him leading the break, though.

Here's hoping for good health throughout the regular season, through the playoffs and the Finals.

[TDfan2007]

After tonight against Sacto I'm pleased to say yes, Tim is back in MVP form.

[Texas_Ranger]

Yep, me too.

[LarryLegend]

After tonight against Sacto I'm pleased to say yes, Tim is back in MVP form.
Well it's pretty damn easy to dominate when our power forwards are like 6'2". :madrun

[K-State Spur]

Well it's pretty damn easy to dominate when our power forwards are like 6'2". :madrun

doesn't really matter. in terms of height/strength/lateral quickness, there's still very few guys in the league who can match up with timmy, and that number gets reduced to about zero when he plays like he did tonight.

[lefty]

Damn, Timmy is playing like in 2003 ; same moves, same agressiveness, same confidence (and results) when taking ouside shots.... :hungry: :hungry:

[SpursIndonesia]

After tonight against Sacto I'm pleased to say yes, Tim is back in MVP form.

Against a doughnut team nonetheless, still a great run by TD so early this season -not a common tendency for him, and i believe the MVP buzz will start sooner than later for him too.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if he tanks tommarow, im expecting an uproar :(:(

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

if he tanks tommarow, im expecting an uproar :(:(
Yeah, same ol' schizophrenic Spurstalk. Too high or too low. Never a happy medium of contentment.

[boutons_]

"same moves"

The spin move is really 2 moves now. He spins, stops to find out where he is, if he really spun around (maybe he close his eyes when he spins? blacks out temporarily from the centripetal G-force :lol ), and then starts his move to the basket. Last night he did spin move and when he stopped after the spin, oops, no ball. :lol

[pjjrfan]

He looks pretty good to me. Yesterday he scored on all kinds of moves, and with one defender on him, 2, 3, didn't matter he attacked the basket, the boards and overall the whole team seems more aggressive on thier rebounding. Elson and Oberto have shown a better capacity to play off TD and how the opposing team defends him. You gotta like that. I have never thought TD had lost a step, he was injured, he seems fine now, like his old dominant self.

[polandprzem]

"same moves"

The spin move is really 2 moves now. He spins, stops to find out where he is, if he really spun around (maybe he close his eyes when he spins? blacks out temporarily from the centripetal G-force :lol ), and then starts his move to the basket. Last night he did spin move and when he stopped after the spin, oops, no ball. :lol

Yup - and it sometimes looks like he is rushing those spins.

L:ast year he had good spins as well.

[phxspurfan]

its such an obvious move that its in his scouting report and everyone shuffles feet to defend it.

[MrChug]

I'm leaning towards YES. :p:

[dtk]

Duncan will be in the convo if he's @ 22pts/12rebs/3blks a game, but I doubt he takes it.

If he averages 3 blocks a game, that would be .5 more than anyone did last year... although he could do it, he almost pulled it off in 02-03... but that was when he was 26...

I don't think that is happening

[mother]

Only thing holding him back are the FREE THROWS.

[remingtonbo2001]

I don't believe Lebron will win MVP....I believe many of those voting felt Lebron disrepected the game by walking off the court before finishing the game. I do not believe Jordan ever did such, nor Timmy for that matter. I don't believe that is something an MVP does. Yet, I understand Lebron is young, so it's a little less unreasonable. I think that moment will stick in the minds of many, causing them to cast their vote otherwise. This prediction is of course if there isn't a runaway canidate.

[phyzik]

Tim won't win because:

1. fundamentals don't beat pizzazz in the voters minds.
2. He has too many good players playing with him and that spread the wealth (stats)
3. He has too many good players on the team that make his contributions not as visibly or plausibly valuable as if he was carrying the team.
4. The voters are looking for a new generation player to give it to.

He could still be the finals MVP if we get that far.

I agree with all of those.... Number 4 is the REAL reason though....


You put a man that gets double-double's EVERY NIGHT on any other team and sometimes tripple-doubles and they get the MVP. Tim is too Ninja for that shit now. Makes Shinobi look like a fucking ninja turtle.