Elson=faster Nazr Mohammed

[Mavs<Spurs]

Last game made it appear that Elson is simply a faster version of Nazr Mohammed. Someone needs to pour some glue on his hands.
:pctoss :ihit

[z0sa]

faster, better shooting, better defensively rotating, shotblocking nazr mohammed

[Mavs<Spurs]

Can't score if you can't catch the ball.

If they only had the hands of Tim Duncan.

But then they would still lack the talent of Tim Duncan.


Looks like we might have jumped the gun on Elson and Oberto. Oberto looks better than Elson. Another center who can't catch the ball. And I guess every big in the league looks like an all star when they play against the Suns.

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :ihit

[Mavs<Spurs]

faster, better shooting, better defensively rotating, shotblocking nazr mohammed

Have to catch the ball before you can shoot it (usually).

[Mavs<Spurs]

faster, better shooting, better defensively rotating, shotblocking nazr mohammed

He certainly isn't going to challenge Ben Wallace for defensive player of the year honors.

But you are right, he is a much better defender than Nazr Mohammed and a legitimate shotblocking threat. Even Nazr himself admitted he was not a good shot blocker.


I am just frustrated that the man can't catch the basketball.

[z0sa]

better shooting, not laying up. Nazr couldnt hit a free throw line jumper for his life. Ive seen Elson hit several.

[Mavs<Spurs]

He certainly isn't going to challenge Ben Wallace for defensive player of the year honors.

But you are right, he is a much better defender than Ben Wallace and a legitimate shotblocking threat. Even Nazr himself admitted he was not a good shot blocker.


I am just frustrated that the man can't catch the basketball.

And we have some great passers. Look at our assist to field goal ratio. Barry, Manu, Tony, Oberto and Beno can all pass the ball (not all of them do it as well or as often unfortunately).

[Mavs<Spurs]

better shooting, not laying up. Nazr couldnt hit a free throw line jumper for his life. Ive seen Elson hit several.

True.

[TDMVPDPOY]

does that also mean he turns the ball over faster? :D

[Mr. Body]

He certainly isn't going to challenge Ben Wallace for defensive player of the year honors.

But you are right, he is a much better defender than Nazr Mohammed and a legitimate shotblocking threat. Even Nazr himself admitted he was not a good shot blocker.


I am just frustrated that the man can't catch the basketball.

Nazr Mohammed is a much better shotblocker than Francisco Elson.

[Mavs<Spurs]

better shooting, not laying up. Nazr couldnt hit a free throw line jumper for his life. Ive seen Elson hit several.


The other thing is that when he does actually catch the ball, he goes up with authority and throws it down, none of this weak layup stuff like Nazr.

I don't mind the techs. At least, he plays with some passion and emotion. We need that on this team. He goes up like he means it.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Nazr Mohammed is a much better shotblocker than Francisco Elson.


????????????????


You must be joking.


Mr. Body made a funny, I think.

[Mavs<Spurs]

does that also mean he turns the ball over faster? :D


:spin :bang :bang :bang


Yes, I suppose it does. Good point.

[z0sa]

All I remember Nazr doing was fouling.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I will predict that this passion will come out and help in a big game.

He will get the team fired up by a great dunk with authority, slap the backboard on the way down and get a tech. The rest of the team will get on board and follow suit and we will win a game from behind against a good team.

Remember, you heard it here first folks.

[Mavs<Spurs]

All I remember Nazr doing was fouling.


And I hate to say it, but they were not even good fouls. They were cheap fouls where we didn't get our money's worth, the kind that lead to three point plays.

[Mr. Body]

No. Nazr Mohammed is a better shotblocker than Francisco Elson. Always has been.

[nkdlunch]

you forgot Elson doesn't do 20 pumpfakes and then still have his shot blocked

[Mavs<Spurs]

But my one major complaint remains: he still can't catch the basketball and it is hard to be a great player if you can't at least catch the ball.


Is it a lack of hand eye coordination? Why exactly is it that it is so hard for bigs to catch the basketball?

[Mavs<Spurs]

you forgot Elson doesn't do 20 pumpfakes and then still have his shot blocked


That always killed me. :dramaquee

[Mavs<Spurs]

No. Nazr Mohammed is a better shotblocker than Francisco Elson. Always has been.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


Nazr Mohammed, the great shot blocker. That's a good one.


I don't feel that stats ar helpful in this comparison because Elson didn't play that much and he played for George Karl. Nazr was always out of position.
His rotations were not good. That was very apparent.

Elson appears to have the smarts to pick up where he should rotate to.

[polandprzem]

:lol

And a better catcher and is on better positions then Mohamed was.
Add the bball IQ and for now Elson was a good choice.

[K-State Spur]

Actually, Elson has good hands, just a case of a player having a bad game (actually a bad stretch of 3 or 4 possessions) and the board over-reacting to it.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Actually, Elson has good hands, just a case of a player having a bad game (actually a bad stretch of 3 or 4 possessions) and the board over-reacting to it.


I hope that you are right.

I didn't watch the game, but Bill Schoening is pretty fair and he seems to call it like it is. He indicated that was a serious problem.


Prior to this game, I would have said that he has better hands than Nazr, but who doesn't. Nevertheless, it didn't look like a serious problem, just something that happened every once in a while (where he didn't catch the ball when he should have). Last game, it became a pronounced problem and area of concern.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Actually, Elson has good hands, just a case of a player having a bad game (actually a bad stretch of 3 or 4 possessions) and the board over-reacting to it.

In this case, then I must be the board because I am the only person who might be guilty of over reacting to it. And it certainly is possible. I'm not the pope or infallible or anything.

[Mavs<Spurs]

:lol

And a better catcher and is on better positions then Mohamed was.
Add the bball IQ and for now Elson was a good choice.


I definitely agree that he has a much higher bball IQ than Nazr.

That is true.

[SpursWillOwn]

his value could only be truly evaluated in playoff time, remember he's untested

[Mavs<Spurs]

In this case, then I must be the board because I am the only person who might be guilty of over reacting to it. And it certainly is possible. I'm not the pope or infallible or anything.


So, did I get a promotion?

Just kidding.

[Mavs<Spurs]

elson was kinda butterfingers last game, but usually is much better. In the same game, even bowen let an easy catch go right thru his hands and out of bounds.

wasn't that game before last where he did that
god, I hated that!!!

[Mavs<Spurs]

his value could only be truly evaluated in playoff time, remember he's untested

That kind of makes me think that we are placing all of our eggs in his basket.



I find that Tim Duncan is our key to playoff success.

[SpursWillOwn]

but since this thread is about him being a faster nazr, well nazr has at least established himself as a gd contributer come playoffs, so being a faster nazr will have to contribute in the playoffs, make key plays and of course, be faster than him.

[Mavs<Spurs]

but since this thread is about him being a faster nazr, well nazr has at least established himself as a gd contributer come playoffs, so being a faster nazr will have to contribute in the playoffs, make key plays and of course, be faster than him.


I am not clear about Nazr's contribution during the playoffs. He did okay against the Suns in 05. On the other hand, as I pointed out earlier, the Suns make every big look like an all star (e.g. look at the Lakers). Moreover, apparently, Pop didn't feel that Nazr contributed that much to our team in the playoffs or he would have played him last year, wouldn't he.

Certainly, he is faster than Nazr. Against the Suns, Elson looks every bit the world beater than Nazr was against them. Suns defense will not improve markedly in the playoffs.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I am not clear about Nazr's contribution during the playoffs. He did okay against the Suns in 05. On the other hand, as I pointed out earlier, the Suns make every big look like an all star (e.g. look at the Lakers). Moreover, apparently, Pop didn't feel that Nazr contributed that much to our team in the playoffs or he would have played him last year, wouldn't he.

Certainly, he is faster than Nazr. Against the Suns, Elson looks every bit the world beater than Nazr was against them. Suns defense will not improve markedly in the playoffs.
:owned :lmao :frying:

[hitmanyr2k]

I am not clear about Nazr's contribution during the playoffs. He did okay against the Suns in 05. On the other hand, as I pointed out earlier, the Suns make every big look like an all star (e.g. look at the Lakers). Moreover, apparently, Pop didn't feel that Nazr contributed that much to our team in the playoffs or he would have played him last year, wouldn't he.

I'm clear on Nazr's contribution to the 2005 title. He was a key factor in a number of wins and contributed decent numbers and it wasn't just against the Suns either. I remember Nazr and Ginobili carrying the Spurs during a stretch in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics when the rest of the team was sucking ass. He picked it up at key moments just like the rest of the team so I don't see the need to short-change the guy.

And Popovich didn't play Nazr last year because he was an idiot that let the Mavs dictate what kind of lineup he put on the floor before the first game was even played...and he didn't try to adjust once.

[bdictjames]

you forgot Elson doesn't do 20 pumpfakes and then still have his shot blocked
:lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

I'm clear on Nazr's contribution to the 2005 title. He was a key factor in a number of wins and contributed decent numbers and it wasn't just against the Suns either. I remember Nazr and Ginobili carrying the Spurs during a stretch in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics when the rest of the team was sucking ass. He picked it up at key moments just like the rest of the team so I don't see the need to short-change the guy.

And Popovich didn't play Nazr last year because he was an idiot that let the Mavs dictate what kind of lineup he put on the floor before the first game was even played...and he didn't try to adjust once.

Perhaps we will just agree to disagree. He was a terrific person from what I heard. I am not trying to short change the guy.

I am not saying necessarily that I agree with Pop's strategy, but if Nazr was not going to put up numbers on the offensive end and he was a liability against Dallas on the defensive end since he could not guard Nowinski, then Pop's decision has something of a rational basis and can be defended. In Pop's mind, the liabilities of having Nazr on defense against the Mavs were greater than the benefits of having him on offense against them. It is possible that he was right. We just don't know.

Tim and Manu were the main keys to us beating the Sonics, e.g. Game 6.

At times, he helped us some against the Pistons, on some of our home games.
However, I feel that we are in danger of overstating his contributions (by being overly generous) if we claim that he was a key factor in the Spurs championship in 2005. Brent Barry, for example, seemed to be more important than him. He was on fire and helped us a lot against the Suns, and the Suns weakness is more against good bigs. He provided some passing and back up point guard skills when Beno couldn't get the ball past half court on the road against the Pistons.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I'm clear on Nazr's contribution to the 2005 title. He was a key factor in a number of wins and contributed decent numbers and it wasn't just against the Suns either. I remember Nazr and Ginobili carrying the Spurs during a stretch in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics when the rest of the team was sucking ass. He picked it up at key moments just like the rest of the team so I don't see the need to short-change the guy.

And Popovich didn't play Nazr last year because he was an idiot that let the Mavs dictate what kind of lineup he put on the floor before the first game was even played...and he didn't try to adjust once.


Let's remember that we are talking about a career five points and six rebound a game guy. How crucial can he be? :dramaquee

[Mavs<Spurs]

Let's remember that we are talking about a career five points and six rebound a game guy. How crucial can he be? :dramaquee


I mean, am I just really wrong here, Boutons?

[Mavs<Spurs]

Maybe Nazr was indeed a world beater and I just missed it every time that I watched all of the games which I saved on DVR (they occupied so much of my space for so long).?

[Texas_Ranger]

Elson' s got scissors hands like Nazr, so I don't see the difference between them two.

[Mavs<Spurs]

We never should have traded away the key to our entire Spurs success, the great Nazr Mohammed!

We are doomed, Chumpdumper, doomed, I tell you!

:dramaquee

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, took it out -- thought you were talking about Elson.

Nazr has some talent. Was just a bad fit.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Elson' s got scissors hands like Nazr, so I don't see the difference between them two.


Well, I am just going to hope that last game was an anomaly, like K-State Spurs fan suggests.

Else, Elson does have scissor hands like Nazr.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Sorry, took it out -- thought you were talking about Elson.

Nazr has some talent. Was just a bad fit.


Well, maybe I was wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.


I just thought Elson > Nazr.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Sorry, took it out -- thought you were talking about Elson.

Nazr has some talent. Was just a bad fit.


Do you feel that way about Rasho, Chumpdumper?

[ChumpDumper]

He seemed to be a slightly better fit just because he could operate in the Spurs' defensive system better. Rasho would likely still be here if he wasn't getting paid so much. I don't know if any one center will ever fit the Spurs' needs for what we're paying them.

As for Nazr, maybe the lost training camp would've helped some, but I didn't see a whole lot of evidence to support it.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, maybe I was wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.


I just thought Elson > Nazr.Elson's running is something that has been sorely lacking from the five spot since DRob retired. I think Elson is off to a good start learning the system, but he has a ways to go.

[hitmanyr2k]

Let's remember that we are talking about a career five points and six rebound a game guy. How crucial can he be? :dramaquee

Robert Horry has averages 7 points 5 rebounds for his career (only 5 points and 3 boards as a Spur). I guess his presence wasn't crucial for the 2005 title either.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Robert Horry has averages 7 points 5 rebounds for his career (only 5 points and 3 boards as a Spur). I guess his presence wasn't crucial for the 2005 title either.


In response, I would have to say the obvious: Without Robert Horry's 5 of 6 3's and scoring 21 points in game 5, the Spurs probably don't win the Finals. Nazr Mohammed didn't do anything similar. Moreover, Horry is a better team defender than Nazr.

I am sure that you are aware of this already, so I can't imagine what your response will be. Please notice that the reason that he was important is something he does not share with Nazr, viz. game winning shot in game 5 of the playoffs and 21 points against the Pistons in that game.

[Mavs<Spurs]

He seemed to be a slightly better fit just because he could operate in the Spurs' defensive system better. Rasho would likely still be here if he wasn't getting paid so much. I don't know if any one center will ever fit the Spurs' needs for what we're paying them.

As for Nazr, maybe the lost training camp would've helped some, but I didn't see a whole lot of evidence to support it.


Makes sense. I can see that.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Elson's running is something that has been sorely lacking from the five spot since DRob retired. I think Elson is off to a good start learning the system, but he has a ways to go.


That is what I really like that Elson brings to the table: speed and athleticism.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Robert Horry has averages 7 points 5 rebounds for his career (only 5 points and 3 boards as a Spur). I guess his presence wasn't crucial for the 2005 title either.

averaging 5 points a game and a few rebounds a game is not the sin quo non of being crucial to the Spurs championship in 05. Rather, it suggests that any claim to being crucial to the championship run in 05 needs to be buttressed with some heroics.

Did you get my drift, or am I being obtuse? I'll give you a month to think about it (Shawshank Redemption).

[hitmanyr2k]

In response, I would have to say the obvious: Without Robert Horry's 5 of 6 3's and scoring 21 points in game 5, the Spurs probably don't win the Finals. Nazr Mohammed didn't do anything similar. Moreover, Horry is a better team defender than Nazr.

I am sure that you are aware of this already, so I can't imagine what your response will be. Please notice that the reason that he was important is something he does not share with Nazr, viz. game winning shot in game 5 of the playoffs and 21 points against the Pistons in that game.

With Parker and Duncan playing scared in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics it was Nazr and Ginobili who carried the team and broke that game open with 24 straight points combined. Who knows what happens if the Spurs lost Game 5...they could have melted down in Game 6 just like in 2004.

[Mavs<Spurs]

With Parker and Duncan playing scared in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics it was Nazr and Ginobili who carried the team and broke that game open with 24 straight points combined. Who knows what happens if the Spurs lost Game 5...they could have melted down in Game 6 just like in 2004.

Game five was at home. The hard part is to bring it on the road.

That's why the reserves do so well at home. They need the fan support, because they lack the talent and the toughness to do in front of a hostile arena.

[hitmanyr2k]

Game five was at home. The hard part is to bring it on the road.

That's why the reserves do so well at home. They need the fan support, because they lack the talent and the toughness to do in front of a hostile arena.

I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. Hell, they barely won Game 6.

[Mavs<Spurs]

With Parker and Duncan playing scared in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics it was Nazr and Ginobili who carried the team and broke that game open with 24 straight points combined. Who knows what happens if the Spurs lost Game 5...they could have melted down in Game 6 just like in 2004.


Duncan had 20 points and 14 rebounds. Tim hardly played scared.
Nazr didn't get doubled or tripled like Tim does and Nazr scored fewer points.

Did the Sonics ever even lead in that game. Stats say they never did.

Manu had 39 points. Manu was key and nobody ever denied that.

What would you know about winning this decade anyways, Chicago fan?
Can't throw it in the Ocean. Even Phil Jackson is taunting you, saying that you are scoring challenged.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. Hell, they barely won Game 6.

speaking of barely, you all can barely score 70 points a game.

You all have nothing to speak of.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. Hell, they barely won Game 6.


Horry hit a game winning shot in game 5 on the road.

Nazr did not hit a game winning shot on the road in game 5.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I don't care about your analysis of home and road games lol. Stick to the point. Nazr stepped up at a crucial time JUST like Horry did in the Finals. If Seattle takes that game they're going back home with a 3-2 lead ready to close the Spurs out and from what I've seen of San Antonio they don't recover well from pivotal Game 5 losses. Hell, they barely won Game 6.


I guess you weren't invited to the parades in 99, 03 and 05.

Won't be any parades in Chicago anytime soon.

[Mavs<Spurs]

When the Lakers pound you, you must be bad.

Overrated.

What's your record? Will you even make the playoffs?

[Mavs<Spurs]

I guess our friend from the windy city has to resort to hypothetical subjunctive if thens , since in the real world dealing with what really happened is not helpful for his arguments.

[MannyIsGod]

No. Nazr Mohammed is a better shotblocker than Francisco Elson. Always has been.O Rly?

Career average of bocks per game:

Elson - .6
Nazr - .7

Per 40 minutes:

Elson - 1.5
Nazr - 1.5

So where exactly does the "much better shotblocker" part come in?

[hitmanyr2k]

Duncan had 20 points and 14 rebounds. Tim hardly played scared.
Nazr didn't get doubled or tripled like Tim does and Nazr scored fewer points.

Did the Sonics ever even lead in that game. Stats say they never did.

Manu had 39 points. Manu was key and nobody ever denied that.

Numbers never tell the whole story. I've seen Duncan have absolutely terrible games and still get those kind of numbers. He's even done it this year lol. Duncan scored 1 more point than Nazr but had to take 11 more shots to do it.

And are you some post count whore or what? Why can't you put your random dipshit thoughts in one post? Why do you have to make 5 posts in a row with one stupid sentence after the other?

[Mavs<Spurs]

Nazr had about 19 points total and about 18 rebounds for the first four games of that series. Yeah, that's five points and 4.5 rebounds a game. Not exactly worldbeating stats.

He scores in game 5 (as he himself admitted) because of the presence of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. He can't create scoring opportunities for himself.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Numbers never tell the whole story. I've seen Duncan have absolutely terrible games and still get those kind of numbers. He's even done it this year lol. Duncan scored 1 more point than Nazr but had to take 11 more shots to do it.

And are you some post count whore or what? Why can't you put your random dipshit thoughts in one post? Why do you have to make 5 posts in a row with one stupid sentence after the other?

Tim Duncan was double and tripled teamed because of the great low post scoring threat that he is. He shoots better than 50% from the field despite that fact. If you can't understand that, there's nothing I can do to help you.

Do you not understand the meaning of the word random? My posts directly answer what you posted.

If you say idiot things, then you will get called on it. That's just the way things are.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Punk comes in here, starts trying to throw the Spurs and Tim Duncan under the bus and he doesn't think anyone will call him on it?


Anybody who can't appreciate Tim Duncan and his game, doesn't understand basketball very well.

:ihit

[hitmanyr2k]

Nazr had about 19 points total and about 18 rebounds for the first four games of that series. Yeah, that's five points and 4.5 rebounds a game. Not exactly worldbeating stats.

He scores in game 5 (as he himself admitted) because of the presence of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. He can't create scoring opportunities for himself.

So? Horry averaged 5 points and 5 boards before his explosion in Game 5 of the Finals. Does that make his contribution at a crucial moment any less? No. Nazr stepped up during a crucial game of the Spurs run...FACT. Anything you say can't dispute that.

[Mr. Body]

O Rly?

Career average of bocks per game:

Elson - .6
Nazr - .7

Per 40 minutes:

Elson - 1.5
Nazr - 1.5

So where exactly does the "much better shotblocker" part come in?

Check out his numbers since he was at NYK, fatty.

[hitmanyr2k]

He scores in game 5 (as he himself admitted) because of the presence of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. He can't create scoring opportunities for himself.

And to answer another random dipshit post of yours. Robert Horry can't create for himself either. He lives on Duncan/Ginobili kickouts but that doesn't stop you from giving him credit does it?

[Mavs<Spurs]

So? Horry averaged 5 points and 5 boards before his explosion in Game 5 of the Finals. Does that make his contribution at a crucial moment any less? No. Nazr stepped up during a crucial game of the Spurs run...FACT. Anything you say can't dispute that.

I don't see the two as equivalent because Nazr didn't hit a game winning shot. He didn't hit 5 of 6 from 3 and score 21 points from the last seconds of the third quarter to the final buzzer of overtime. Robert Horry did. Moreover, if we look at the intangibles, you are not going to find many people who think that Nazr does the intangible things that help you win basketball games as well as Robert Horry.

Horry has made a career of hitting game winning shots in crucial situations. He is a high iq basketball player. He takes the charge, makes the pass, gets the loose rebound and hits the crucial shot.

Nazr Mohammed < Robert Horry and if there are five people in America who disagree with that, I would be shocked.

[Mavs<Spurs]

And to answer another random dipshit post of yours. Robert Horry can't create for himself either. He lives on Duncan/Ginobili kickouts but that doesn't stop you from giving him credit does it?

hitting a layup because you are wide open and hitting a 3 in a crucial situation are not equivalent. :nope

[Mavs<Spurs]

BTW, in case you couldn't figure it out, many 4's don't like to go out and guard a 3 point shot.

So, you need to address this in your post somewhere.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Hitmanyr2k believes that Nazr Mohammed > or = Robert Horry.

:nope :nope :nope :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :lol :lol :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

I don't see the two as equivalent because Nazr didn't hit a game winning shot. He didn't hit 5 of 6 from 3 and score 21 points from the last seconds of the third quarter to the final buzzer of overtime. Robert Horry did. Moreover, if we look at the intangibles, you are not going to find many people who think that Nazr does the intangible things that help you win basketball games as well as Robert Horry.

Horry has made a career of hitting game winning shots in crucial situations. He is a high iq basketball player. He takes the charge, makes the pass, gets the loose rebound and hits the crucial shot.

Nazr Mohammed < Robert Horry and if there are five people in America who disagree with that, I would be shocked.

I don't give a shit if Horry > Nazr. Just admit Nazr stepped up during a crucial game of the Spurs run.


hitting a layup because you are wide open and hitting a 3 in a crucial situation are not equivalent.

Points are points. I don't give a shit where they come from. Horry was brought in to hit 3 pointers. Nazr was brought in to give an inside presence opposite Duncan. Both were adequate enough to get the job done during crucial moments/games and don't deserve to be short-changed.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Check out his numbers since he was at NYK, fatty.


Don't you think that Nazr probably had a reason why he told Pop that he was not a good shot blocker and never had been?

:bang

[MannyIsGod]

WOW.

.9 Blocks per game his first half season with the Knicks! Then 1.1 including his stint with the Spurs (and next to Duncan). INCREDIBLE.

Of course, .6 the next year with the Spurs looks AWESOME.

He's not better than Elson as a shotblocker. Nazr himself said he would never be a shot blocker in one of his first news articles as a Spur.

Man, you're a complete moron when it comes to the Spurs. Are you ever right about anything?

[Mavs<Spurs]

I don't give a shit if Horry > Nazr. Just admit Nazr stepped up during a crucial game of the Spurs run.



Points are points. I don't give a shit where they come from. Horry was brought in to hit 3 pointers. Nazr was brought in to give an inside presence opposite Duncan. Both were adequate enough to get the job done during crucial moments/games and don't deserve to be short-changed.


at times, some might possibly consider Nazr adequate.

However, on Nazr's best day, he is still < Robert Horry.

[Mavs<Spurs]

WOW.

.9 Blocks per game his first half season with the Knicks! Then 1.1 including his stint with the Spurs (and next to Duncan). INCREDIBLE.

Of course, .6 the next year with the Spurs looks AWESOME.

He's not better than Elson as a shotblocker. Nazr himself said he would never be a shot blocker in one of his first news articles as a Spur.

Man, you're a complete moron when it comes to the Spurs. Are you ever right about anything?


His record is what it is.

[itzsoweezee]

I hope that you are right.

I didn't watch the game, but Bill Schoening is pretty fair and he seems to call it like it is. He indicated that was a serious problem.


Prior to this game, I would have said that he has better hands than Nazr, but who doesn't. Nevertheless, it didn't look like a serious problem, just something that happened every once in a while (where he didn't catch the ball when he should have). Last game, it became a pronounced problem and area of concern.


god you're a fucking idiot. you didn't even watch the game, prior to the game you would've said that elson has better hands than nazr, but b/c bill schoening said something about elson's hands, you have to proclaim how terrible elson's hands are in numerous posts?

[Mr. Body]

WOW.

.9 Blocks per game his first half season with the Knicks! Then 1.1 including his stint with the Spurs (and next to Duncan). INCREDIBLE.

Of course, .6 the next year with the Spurs looks AWESOME.

He's not better than Elson as a shotblocker. Nazr himself said he would never be a shot blocker in one of his first news articles as a Spur.

Man, you're a complete moron when it comes to the Spurs. Are you ever right about anything?

One thing I'm right about: Nazr Mohammed is a better shotblocker than Francisco Elson.

[Mavs<Spurs]

[QUOTE=itzsoweezee]god you're a fucking idiot.

[wildbill2u]

Nazr and Rasho both earned their rings. Let's respect what they did.

Elson and Oberto may both earn rings here playing in tandem. Let's give them a chance to see what they can do over a season in the Spurs system.

If we win a championship everyone right down to the last man at the end of the bench will have done his part

[Mavs<Spurs]

"god you're a fucking idiot."http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1469

itzsoweezee. Elson=faster Nazr Mohammed. Retrieved from
"http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1469
on November 22, 2006.

attribution not quite APA.
I am certainly not wanting to plagiarize this.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Nazr and Rasho both earned their rings. Let's respect what they did.

Elson and Oberto may both earn rings here playing in tandem. Let's give them a chance to see what they can do over a season in the Spurs system.

If we win a championship everyone right down to the last man at the end of the bench will have done his part


I can agree with that.

That's fair.

[Dre_7]

Either he did or he did not drop or mishandle about four passes last game.
If he didn't, then Bill Schoening is highly inaccurate. This is incongruent with my past experience. I have found him to be very accurate and fair. So, I don't find this conclusion likely.

Then, he did drop or mishandle about four passes that he should have caught. This is early in the season. Normally, catching is a skill that people have every day. Anybody can drop two passes on a bad day because of lack of concentration or whatever. But four passes seems like a lot to drop. Were they all anomalies? That many anomalies seems like a lot to me.

I couldn't watch the game because I don't have league pass and in this area, that seemed to be the only way to watch the game.

Truth is that we all say stuff that turns out to be wrong or does not make much sense. I have done it before. So, have most people. Doesn't make me or most people idiots. There is a difference in saying that what somebody has said doesn't make sense or you think that what they are saying is dumb and calling them an idiot.

Since I am such an idiot and you are so much smarter than I am, would you mind if I discussed with you the proof of the following theorem: if y is a connected subspace of a top space X, then the closure of y is connected.

I am leaning toward using the contrapositive on this one. What do you think?

So if Duncan has one bad shooting night and Bill Schoening said that Duncan missed several shots, that makes him a poor shooter?? JW

[Mavs<Spurs]

So if Duncan has one bad shooting night and Bill Schoening said that Duncan missed several shots, that makes him a poor shooter?? JW


No, but don't you think that shooting is different than catching, Dre7?

You're a reasonable person.

See what I am saying?

[Dre_7]

No, but don't you think that shooting is different than catching, Dre7?

You're a reasonable person.

See what I am saying?

Maybe if Elson had dropped passes in several games then I would agree with you. But from all the games I have seen, he does not have bad hands. Everyone has a few poor games when playin an 82 game season. One bad game does not equal "poor hands."

[Mavs<Spurs]

Maybe if Elson had dropped passes in several games then I would agree with you. But from all the games I have seen, he does not have bad hands. Everyone has a few poor games when playin an 82 game season. One bad game does not equal "poor hands."


Maybe you are right.

It is true that I don't have a lot of context for this. I didn't see him play much for Denver.

If I had seen play a lot (for example in Denver) and didn't see this happen much, then I would have a broader context and that would make it easier for me to interpret differently.

[spurs_in_7]

Last game made it appear that Elson is simply a faster version of Nazr Mohammed. Someone needs to pour some glue on his hands.
:pctoss :ihit
exactly what i think but, with less offensive talent and a little worser defender.

[cherylsteele]

But my one major complaint remains: he still can't catch the basketball and it is hard to be a great player if you can't at least catch the ball.


Is it a lack of hand eye coordination? Why exactly is it that it is so hard for bigs to catch the basketball?
A couple of those passes never should have been mad in the first place.
I remember one at his ankles.....you are going to blame that on Elston?

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Actually, Elson has good hands, just a case of a player having a bad game (actually a bad stretch of 3 or 4 possessions) and the board over-reacting to it.
Yeah, he misses the ball once in a regular season game? Big deal...

I remember Nazr doing it in The FINALS! against the Pistons, in like one of the last games, and he dropped it and had to scurry, and try to pick it up. It WAS EMBARASSSING!!!

That was a lot worse than whatever Elson did, and telling of that deficiency of Nazrs. This thread is a waste.

[Dre_7]

A couple of those passes never should have been mad in the first place.
I remember one at his ankles.....you are going to blame that on Elston?

Whos Elston?? JP :D

[cherylsteele]

Whos Elston?? JP :D
Sorry.....I added a "t"....wasn't paying attention.

[Mr. Body]

This might have been the worst thread of all time.

[Zunni]

you forgot Elson doesn't do 20 pumpfakes and then still have his shot blocked
...by a 6'3" guard, from behind. :madrun