Barack HUSSEIN Obama

[ChumpDumper]

Since he currently seems otherwise bulletproof, the only thing Republican talking heads can do is utter Obama's moniker with repeated, comically exaggerated emphasis on his middle name.

I guess they hope voters are as ignorant as they think they are.

[clambake]

Are you saying his middle name is Hussein? If so, "Jeb in 08". Long live hick rule.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you saying his middle name is Hussein?If you go by them, it's HOOOOOOOOSAAAAAYNE.

[clambake]

Obama.........Osama............coincidence?....... ........I think not.

[101A]

Wut's heees name?

BLACK HOOOSSAANE OSSAMMA????

Wut da fuck dem yankees go n put hm in gubmnt fer?

[boutons_]

yep, the Repug slime/swift-boat/racist-pandering machine will murder Obama, starting with his race and his "terrorist" name. They'll slime his miscegenating ancestors, too.

America The Beautiful, the Shining City on the Hill, will be never more Beauitful and Shiny than when Rove, Repugs, etc go after Obama, Hillary, etc.

[IceColdBrewski]

If you go by them, it's HOOOOOOOOSAAAAAYNE.


I listen to a lot of political radio (left and right) throughout the day, and I've yet to hear anyone seriously try to use his name as a negative. Sounds like a joke that you're taking too seriously.

Do you have a link/examples to all these "talking heads" who are "comically exagerrating" his name, or do you just expect us to settle for "them"?

[ChumpDumper]

I've seen it on MSNBC twice in the past week. Tucker and Hardball.

[jman3000]

i say it all the time.

[Crookshanks]

I've seen it on MSNBC twice in the past week. Tucker and Hardball.

Wow - so you're the audience! No one else watches those shows - that's why no one else has heard "HOOOOOOOSSSAAAAAYNE"! :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, plenty watch those shows. Tucker is a dick, but he's a real conservative unlike posers like you. You'll be hearing alot more of it in the future. Bank on it.

[ChumpDumper]

SHUSTER: Ed, Barack Obama‘s going up to New Hampshire. He‘s somebody I mentioned Republicans should be careful of. He‘s a great speaker...

ROGERS: Please, help me, David. Somebody that underestimates Barack Hussein Obama. Please. I mean, this man is a blank canvas where people project their desires and their ideal candidate because nobody knows anything about him. And he has a deep voice...

TRIPPI: Have you ever heard him speak?

(CROSSTALK)

ROGERS: He has a deep voice, he gives a good presentation. Put me down as somebody that counts him out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15951792/

Sorry, couldn't find a video. Ed Rogers is a Republican strategist.

[sandman]

yep, the Repug slime/swift-boat/racist-pandering machine will murder Obama, starting with his race and his "terrorist" name. They'll slime his miscegenating ancestors, too.

America The Beautiful, the Shining City on the Hill, will be never more Beauitful and Shiny than when Rove, Repugs, etc go after Obama, Hillary, etc.

You could have left Hillary out of that equation. She has given as much as she has taken over the years.

As a white, college educated, faith based republican, I am dissapointed that the real issues regarding the validity of a candidate will not be the "real issues" when it comes to Barak Obama. But then, politics across the board long ago went the way of convincing the general public that your opponent is worse for America that you are.

FWIW, I am quite confident that the Dems as well will have some political strategy that "goes after" whatever Repub will be running. But then we all knew that, didn't we?

[ChumpDumper]

You could have left Hillary out of that equation. She has given as much as she has taken over the years.Actually, it'll be interesting to see if Hillary or other Democrats try that kind of shit in the primaries.

[clambake]

When you say "faith based republican", do you also approve of church and state as one?

[sandman]

When you say "faith based republican", do you also approve of church and state as one?

Why do I have the feeling that this is an agenda based question designed as a springboard into some missive about separation of church and state?

Let me make it real simple. I am a person of faith, specifically Christianity. As a person of faith, I hold to ideals that are socially and morally conservative. In holding these conservative ideals, I have elected to adhere to the political party that best (note: not completely, but best) represents by personal belief system. Thus, a faith based republican. If the ideology of another political party were to better represent what I believe, I would not be a republican.

Try not to read your assumptions into it.

[boutons_]

"socially and morally conservative" voting the for party that privately ridiculed you faith-based holy rollers and suckered you into believing that they would legislate, "activist-ically", your specific cult's morality into federal laws.

[sandman]

"socially and morally conservative" voting the for party that privately ridiculed you faith-based holy rollers and suckered you into believing that they would legislate, "activist-ically", your specific cult's morality into federal laws.

Because I adhere to a religion I am therefore a holy roller, cultic and attempting to legislate morality? Does this apply to anyone who adheres to any religion, or have I become the target of your agression for something other than arbitrarily pushing one of your liberal buttons?

Not every person who self-identifies as a Christian and a Republican is in nefarious cahoots with Pat Robertson to legislate their personal value system on everyone else.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I adhere to a religion I am therefore a holy roller, cultic and attempting to legislate morality? Does this apply to anyone who adheres to any religion, or have I become the target of your agression for something other than arbitrarily pushing one of your liberal buttons?You voted for Bush.

That's enough for him.

[sandman]

You voted for Bush.

That's enough for him.

I wouldn't have if there would have been better alternatives. But he doesn't want to know that.

[clambake]

Sounds like a better alternative would have to be permently joined with religion.

[sandman]

Sounds like a better alternative would have to be permently joined with religion.

Not sure that I fully understand this comment.

I was stating that if another party would have placed a better candidate on the ballot, I would have probably voted for that other candidate.

[clambake]

Your personal belief system is closely connected to religious faith, therefore you chose republican based on that ideology.

Do you really think Bush gives a shit about God?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't doubt Bush's personal faith, but it's easy to see he or his people didn't think much about carrying out the social conservatives' agenda beyond scraps like faith-based initiatives and a few pamphlets about abstinance.

[clambake]

I have doubts about his faith. He uses it as exploitation.

[sandman]

Your personal belief system is closely connected to religious faith, therefore you chose republican based on that ideology.

Do you really think Bush gives a shit about God?

My concern is not about if Bush gives a shit about God, but whether I do.

My concern for Bush was two fold:

1. Does he have the ability to effectively lead this country?

2. Does his administration represent any unreconcilable issues with my personal value system, which is not exclusively religious based as you attempt to suggest.

In the '04 election I had to answer no to the first question, while answering yes to the second question.

I did not vote for Bush because answering yes to the second question trumped answering no to the first question. I voted for Bush because the only alternative was Kerry, in whom I had no confidence that he could perform the job at any higher proficiency level than Bush.

I would have voted independent, but the stranglehold of a two party system is not conducive to the rise of a viable third party or independent candidate that would garnish enough votes to be a serious player in the game.

But just because I did not want to vote for Bush does not mean that I want to abandon the entire Republican party, especially on the local and state levels. I was a Rebublican before Bush was POTUS, and I will be afterwards. Do you think I am happy with my party over the last few years? Do you not think that I have reached out to my elected officials at all levels and demanded better of them?

I know that you don't like to hear that I can be a faith based person, a member of the Republican party and politically active and not have my nose up Dubya's ass, but it is something that you are going to have to accept.

[ChumpDumper]

I have doubts about his faith. He uses it as exploitation.Nah, I think he's a little delusional about God's plan and his part in it.

[sandman]

I have doubts about his faith. He uses it as exploitation.

Wow, like exploitation NEVER happens in the political arena. :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Just Google "barak hussein obama" with the quotes and enjoy the bigotry.

[clambake]

Of course it happens, but using religion is the lowest of blows. It's a peek in the window of ones character.

[sandman]

Of course it happens, but using religion is the lowest of blows. It's a peek in the window of ones character.

I don't disagree with your statement, but in my opinion you are predispositioned to view faith based matters from a skeptical viewpoint, and as such will always see some level of exploitation, regardless of the person.

[clambake]

When religion and politics are mixed, it's no longer religion. It's a tool used for advantage.

[sandman]

When religion and politics are mixed, it's no longer religion. It's a tool used for advantage.

Do you feel this way about Protestant Christianity alone, or do your sentiments extend to Catholicism, Mormonism and Islam as well?

The reason I ask is because religion and society have been interwoven since the beginning of history. Many of the major religions of the world share the same social values, even if they are doctrinally and theologically different. If the majority of individuals in a society belong to religions that share common social values, then "religion" has shaped society, and in effect the government over that society because elected officials come from that society.

It is near impossible to remove the religious influence in government unless you remove the religious influence from society. You can't have an ammoral society, because society dictates what are acceptable morals and society has been historically influenced by religions.

[PixelPusher]

It is near impossible to remove the religious influence in government unless you remove the religious influence from society. You can't have an ammoral society, because society dictates what are acceptable morals and society has been historically influenced by religions.

This might come as a shock to you, but people can be moral (and spiritual)without being religious.

[sandman]

This might come as a shock to you, but people can be moral (and spiritual)without being religious.

It might come as a shock to you, but you won't find anywhere in my comments where I contended that morals were the exclusive domain of religion. I know many people who are extremely ethical and have high moral standards, but do not adhere to a particular religion.

That argument does not negate the historical facts that religion has been influencing society for thousands of years and will continue to do so. Nor does it negate the fact that even if a person arrives at a particular morality level without the aid of religion, they may in fact share a morality level with one or many religions.

[xrayzebra]

This might come as a shock to you, but people can be moral (and spiritual)without being religious.


But I wonder where they found the basis for their Morals. Just came out
of a sense of humanity? I don't think so.

[clambake]

It comes from knowledge and personal decency. Distinguishing right from wrong, just from unjust, kindness from cruelty.

[johnsmith]

It comes from knowledge and personal decency. Distinguishing right from wrong, just from unjust, kindness from cruelty.


This is like the chicken and the egg though. Which came first, religion (spirituality) or morals? No one is going to be able to answer this question. Religious people believe that moral values were developed because religion told them what their moral values should be and non religious people believe that morals and a sense of decency is what created religion.

This argument will not be settled on Spurstalk.com.

[johnsmith]

Not to mention that this argument doesn't convey the point that Sandman was trying to make (of which I thought he did a pretty good job), but I guess one has to speak to the lowest common denominator.

[clambake]

What argument? My values weren't hatched from organized cult behavior.

[sandman]

It comes from knowledge and personal decency. Distinguishing right from wrong, just from unjust, kindness from cruelty.

How do we learn about what is right or wrong? What is just or unjust?

Are we inherently born with this sense of value, or is it ingrained through our spheres of influence such as family and society?

At what point in a person's life do they decide to have personal decency? What are the triggers? Their sphere of influence once again?

I am not arguing that every decent person in the world is that way because of religion. Lord knows (no pun intended) that some very evil people have used religion of one kind or another over the centuries to commit heineous atrocities. But I challenge you to find any example of an enlightened society in it's day that did not have an influence from the religion of its day.

While you as a specific individual can say that your personal value system is not specifically tied to religion, it is tied to the society in which you were raised, and that society was inevitably influenced by religion.

[johnsmith]

What argument? My values weren't hatched from organized cult behavior.


The argument regarding where values come from.

Don't you think your values were shaped by your upbringing and family?

[sandman]

What argument? My values weren't hatched from organized cult behavior.

Neither were mine. That is the difference between faith and religion. Religion is just used as the familiar catch word of anything dealing with faith. Let me apologize for my continued misuse of the word religion when attempting to make my points regarding my faith.

Faith is individual responsibility of the believer to God.

Religion is the trappings of tradition and legalism used by lemmings and sheeples who are unwilling to take the personal responsibility.

[clambake]

I grew up in Belfast with a ringside seat. I am qualified to make certain assertions about the chemical mixture of religion and politics through simple observations and inclusions. Religion is a tool in this mix. Its used to explain away ones behavior and actions as being somehow noble in its results. Where chaos and mayhem are pretended to be borne from "good intention". In reality it is what men of power "agreed to believe".

[johnsmith]

I grew up in Belfast with a ringside seat. I am qualified to make certain assertions about the chemical mixture of religion and politics through simple observations and inclusions. Religion is a tool in this mix. Its used to explain away ones behavior and actions as being somehow noble in its results. Where chaos and mayhem are pretended to be borne from "good intention". In reality it is what men of power "agreed to believe".


That's pretty well said.

Personally, I'm on the fence regarding this entire discussion.

Having said all that, I'm more conservative then I am liberal, and I like this Obama fella.

[sandman]

I grew up in Belfast with a ringside seat. I am qualified to make certain assertions about the chemical mixture of religion and politics through simple observations and inclusions. Religion is a tool in this mix. Its used to explain away ones behavior and actions as being somehow noble in its results. Where chaos and mayhem are pretended to be borne from "good intention". In reality it is what men of power "agreed to believe".

In the specific example provided for Northern Ireland, your assertion that religion is a tool in the mix is spot on.

Do you think that your personal experience in Belfast provides you with a slanted view of religion in a society? I noticed that you used the term religion and politics, but there is no official church or even one dominant denomination in America that drives any political behavior. IMO, in America the "religion" is more of a social aspect than a political aspect. That being said, politicians come from within the society and therefore some religion is in politics, but I don't think that religion and politics are as tightly interwoven as in some other countries that have nationalistic churches or nationalistic religions. Curious to know how you see that from your viewpoint.

[clambake]

They're all tools used to influence and control the weak who long for a path to peace and justice.

May you never find yourself in this conflict, because the reality of this is to capture and claim the largest piece of pie. That is the only goal.

[clambake]

I failed to answer you. My view is not slanted. I've seen the bottom line of greed created from this collusive partnership.

[sandman]

I failed to answer you. My view is not slanted. I've seen the bottom line of greed created from this collusive partnership.

I was wondering if you see that same type of collusive partnership between religion and politics in America, where there is not a history of social upheaval between rival religious/political groups as seen in Northern Ireland.

btw, I hope that this conversation has not trivialized what you have experienced in Belfast. That was certainly not my intention. I was just looking for your perspective on how America stacks up to Northern Ireland in this respect.

[clambake]

I see similar reactions. Too early to submit a conclusion. It's up to the collective to decide. Just beware of the houses of power. Their directions will always lead to their own pot of gold. Pawns have to recognize their place as pawns.

[PixelPusher]

But I wonder where they found the basis for their Morals. Just came out
of a sense of humanity? I don't think so.
Actually, yes. Religion, like politics, is the tail, not the head.

[johnsmith]

Actually, yes.


In your opinion.

[xrayzebra]

What argument? My values weren't hatched from organized cult behavior.


You mean like a clan? What crazy arguments you
make. :dizzy

[clambake]

Never fear Ray. Stay in the basement with your duct tape and plastic. We'll tell you when it's safe to come out.

[Yonivore]

I didn't even know the guys middle name before seeing it in this thread.

Wow, talk about providential.

Black Hussein Osama... :lmao

[Extra Stout]

I thought his first name was Iraq, as in Iraq Hussein Osama.

[Trainwreck2100]

This is all a ploy to take back the name Hussein. Like black people are taking back the N word

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, talk about providential.Manna from heaven to bigots such as yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

BTW - Obama gave a speech during an AIDS conference at Saddleback Church, and from what I saw got a good reception in spite of his pro-abortion, pro-condom stances. You guys better find some real dirt on him quick.

[ChumpDumper]

BTW -- props to Rick Warren of Saddleback for seeing the big picture RE: AIDS.

[gtownspur]

BTW -- props to Rick Warren of Saddleback for seeing the big picture RE: AIDS.


Now Rick Warren will be immuned from Chumps charge that christian conservatives are hypocrites.

[ChumpDumper]

Now Rick Warren will be immuned from Chumps charge that christian conservatives are hypocrites.Some of them are, but you must have me confused with boutons.

[xrayzebra]

I didn't even know the guys middle name before seeing it in this thread.

Wow, talk about providential.

Black Hussein Osama... :lmao

You think you had a problem, you should have heard Teddy Kennedy trying
to get the name right. Of course Teddy has a problem with his speechifying
anyhow. The sauce keeps getting in the way.

A lot like Danny Di Vieto (sp).
:lol

[xrayzebra]

BTW -- props to Rick Warren of Saddleback for seeing the big picture RE: AIDS.


Yeah, wasn't it nice of the Pols to have their AIDS test done publicly.

I'd laugh like hell if it came back positive..........yeah I would.

[JoeChalupa]

Mr. Obama will do just fine. Wait and see.

[xrayzebra]

Hey Joe, answer me a question. Why do you think he would make a good
President. So far he has shown nothing except he is attractive, can speak well
and like-able. And a big plus for the dimm-o-craps, he is a minority. But those
attributes don't make him presidential material.

And do you really think Hillary is going to set on her haunches and let him get
too far in the lead?

[Bob Lanier]

Well, considering Jimmy the peanut farmer, Ronald the senile halfwit, "Big Mo" Bush, the Great Triangulator, and The Decider, it doesn't seem as if there's a terribly high bar for "presidential material".

[gtownspur]

Hey Joe, answer me a question. Why do you think he would make a good
President. So far he has shown nothing except he is attractive, can speak well
and like-able. And a big plus for the dimm-o-craps, he is a minority. But those
attributes don't make him presidential material.

And do you really think Hillary is going to set on her haunches and let him get
too far in the lead?



All Barrack needs to do is don a cape, and pose infront of starving somolians for a photo op, and Chalupa would "chupa" him off.

[JoeChalupa]

Hey Joe, answer me a question. Why do you think he would make a good
President. So far he has shown nothing except he is attractive, can speak well
and like-able. And a big plus for the dimm-o-craps, he is a minority. But those
attributes don't make him presidential material.

And do you really think Hillary is going to set on her haunches and let him get
too far in the lead?

That is just your opinion. I mean, come on, what credentials did Bush have to be president other than being Gov of Texas?

Mr. Obama graduated from Columbia University, where he majored in political science and specialized in international relations. He then attended Harvard Law School, graduated magna cum laude, and served as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.
After law school, he worked as a community organizer and a civil rights lawyer in Chicago. He also taught at the University of Chicago Law School as a senior lecturer specializing in constitutional law. Obama represented the South Side of Chicago in the Illinois State Senate from 1996–2004 as a Democrat. In 2004, he was elected to the U.S. Senate, winning with 70% of the vote against the conservative black Republican, Alan Keyes.

Granted he doesn't have a long established political career but I also think that is a good thing since he hasn't , not yet at least, fallen in with career politician tactics. I think he can work acroll party lines and is, as was one of our past presidents. a great communicator.

Needless to say you would not support him simply because he isn't of your political party's persuasion. Were he a republican you'd be spouting his talents as well and don't tell me you wouldn't.

I just like the man for what he believes and wants to accomplish.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

[JoeChalupa]

All Barrack needs to do is don a cape, and pose infront of starving somolians for a photo op, and Chalupa would "chupa" him off.

Bush doesn't even wear a cape and you've still got your lips on his ass.

[velik_m]

But I wonder where they found the basis for their Morals. Just came out
of a sense of humanity? I don't think so.

I don't need god to tell me to be good. I don't need to be "bribed" with heaven, or scared with hell. In fact i need no reason whatsoever and i have no reason to be good, i simply am good.

[clambake]

You forgot W's best qualification. He's no longer an obnoxious drunk. He grew up with everyone kissing his ass just to get closer to his father. It's no wonder he can't tell the difference between right and wrong.

[gtownspur]

Bush doesn't even wear a cape and you've still got your lips on his ass.


That's funny, i don't have Bush's cattle branding tatooed on my ass like you have Obama's.

But since it's the christmas season, i feel compelled to show you good will.
Therefore i will mail you an Obama Blow up doll.

Merry Christmas puto.

[gtownspur]

I don't need god to tell me to be good. I don't need to be "bribed" with heaven, or scared with hell. In fact i need no reason whatsoever and i have no reason to be good, i simply am good.


Let's just pretend that Monotheism had nothing to contribute to the morals you ripped from to this very day.

[PixelPusher]

Let's just pretend that Monotheism had nothing to contribute to the morals you ripped from to this very day.
...while you pretend morality didn't exist prior to monotheism.

[Yonivore]

...while you pretend morality didn't exist prior to monotheism.
Little flaw in your argument. For monothiests, nothing existed before God. You know, In the beginning...Alpha and Omega...and all that. So, while you can argue that monotheism came after a recognition of morality, we'll just argue that God and His laws existed before and were a precursor to all.

[johnsmith]

...while you pretend morality didn't exist prior to monotheism.


Yes, because you know for sure which came first huh? :rolleyes

[PixelPusher]

Little flaw in your argument. For monothiests, nothing existed before God. You know, In the beginning...Alpha and Omega...and all that. So, while you can argue that monotheism came after a recognition of morality, we'll just argue that God and His laws existed before and were a precursor to all.

Little flaw in your reading comprehension. I was referring to monotheism in a historical context, not your belief system.


Yes, because you know for sure which came first huh? :rolleyes

Yes, people lived, prayed, worshiped, moralized, and made laws based on morals for thousands of years prior to the onset of Judasim, and later Christianity and Islam. People Like Plato and Aristotle even pondered the nature of morality.

[ChumpDumper]

Barak is still owning you subject changers.

Better swift boat him ASAP. Make shit up if you have to.

[gtownspur]

Little flaw in your reading comprehension. I was referring to monotheism in a historical context, not your belief system.



Yes, people lived, prayed, worshiped, moralized, and made laws based on morals for thousands of years prior to the onset of Judasim, and later Christianity and Islam. People Like Plato and Aristotle even pondered the nature of morality.


UGh, Abraham was before Plato.

[Yonivore]

UGh, Abraham was before Plato.
As was Noah.

[PixelPusher]

UGh, Abraham was before Plato.

Changing the terms of the discussion seems to be par for the course for you guys, but I'll try again. Monotheism, in relation to it's particular influence on morality in human societies, didn't begin until Moses came down Mt. Sinai with two stone tablets spelling out God's exclusivity. The Hebrew tribes (descended from Abraham) prior to this event saw "the God of Abraham" as their God, but also acknowledged other gods (hence the regrettable "golden calf affair" just prior to Moses's return).

Abraham was a man from Ur, in Mesopotamia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia), which leads too...


As was Noah.

...a Mesopotamiam myth, found in the myth of Ziusudra and the Atrahasis Epic (both from the 17th century B.C.) as well as the Epic of Gilgamesh (7th century B.C.), that was adopted and changed by expatriate Jews of the Babylonian exile (539 B.C.).

I know, I know..here I'll save you a post:

In your opinion.

[gtownspur]

Okay,

Plato begat Moses.

[PixelPusher]

Okay,

Plato begat Moses.
Actually, Amram and Jochebed begat Moses. (it's in the Bible, dont-cha-know)

Plato was a philosopher from Athens, Greece; a polytheistic civilization.

Moses was a Hebrew from Egypt, which was also polytheistic, but not far removed from a brief experiment with monotheism during the reign of Akhenaten. (Akhenaten begat Moses?)

The two had nothing to do with each other. Human history does not run in a single line.

[gtownspur]

Actually, Amram and Jochebed begat Moses. (it's in the Bible, dont-cha-know)

Plato was a philosopher from Athens, Greece; a polytheistic civilization.

Moses was a Hebrew from Egypt, which was also polytheistic, but not far removed from a brief experiment with monotheism during the reign of Akhenaten. (Akhenaten begat Moses?)

The two had nothing to do with each other. Human history does not run in a single line.


I guess one took my words to literally.

I said Plato was after Moses.

[JoeChalupa]

That's funny, i don't have Bush's cattle branding tatooed on my ass like you have Obama's.

But since it's the christmas season, i feel compelled to show you good will.
Therefore i will mail you an Obama Blow up doll.

Merry Christmas puto.

thank you. I do very well with the ladies you joto.

[PixelPusher]

I guess one took my words to literally.

I said Plato was after Moses.
Yes, Moses lived before Plato.

No, Plato was not a monotheist (although he wasn't all that concerned about the Greek Pantheon either).

There is no religious or philosphical legacy between the two.

[johnsmith]

Wait, I'm confused now (mainly because I didn't go back and read everything) but Pixel, are you saying that morals came before religion?

[PixelPusher]

Wait, I'm confused now (mainly because I didn't go back and read everything) but Pixel, are you saying that morals came before religion?
The discussion went off on a tangent for a while.

Morality came before Monotheism? Yes. (fact)

Morality came before religion? It depends on how you define religion, as it often conflated with spirituality, but...yes. (my opinion)

[johnsmith]

The discussion went off on a tangent for a while.

Morality came before Monotheism? Yes. (fact)

Morality came before religion? It depends on how you define religion, as it often conflated with spirituality, but...yes. (my opinion)


I disagree and think that morals came after (or along with) some sense of spirituality..........however, I see your point as well.

[DarkReign]

Dude is on fire. I really dig his attitude. No truer words have been spoken, btw...

"This is an office you can't run for just on the basis of ambition," Obama said.

[ChumpDumper]

Anybody catch him on Monday Night Football? Pretty funny.

[forestroot]

Yes , He's very articulate .

[BIG IRISH]

He is dead in the Water.

Obama tells the Sun-Times that his family worries about safety as surging popularity and presidential aspirations create the threat of violence.

December 15, 2006
BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist
Sen. Barack Obama is concerned about his personal security --telling the Chicago Sun-Times editorial board Thursday that he and his wife fear there is a potential for violence -- even if he does not run for president.
"Being shot, obviously, that is the least-attractive option,'' Obama said.

The Illinois Democrat told the Sun-Times he has concluded a 2008 White House bid "would be viable" and he would have "a pretty good chance of winning the nomination.''

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/174143,CST-NWS-sweet15.article

From the same article:"Obama, asked what he might do with the abundance of political capital he has, said that in the long term, he wanted to "set the stage" to "move aggressively to universal health care," though not modeled on the Canadian system."

I wonder who is going to pay for this? :rolleyes
You don't think the AMA and the Drug Companies are suddenly going
to do things for free do you?
Didn't Hillary and that guy Bill start of with this idea/ Whatever happened
to it?, after all they had 8 years.

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder who is going to pay for this?You are paying for it already.