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IGNORANT MAVS FAN
12-29-2006, 10:13 PM
how right you are. unfortunately, we arent talking about the finals, are we dipshit?
Chill me fellow mav brother. They say kids like your self resort to foul language because they lack intelligence. Prove to me and theses other posters that you have the mental capacity to carry on an intelligent basketball conversation with out having to lower your self to that level.

IGNORANT MAVS FAN
12-29-2006, 10:20 PM
all that matters is Duncan has won three rings, so we're the best, even though the Mavs beat us last year, and have the best recod in the NBA
What ever bitch! I don't want no history lesson. Even though that's why teams play the game for is to win a championship. We beat you guys and that's better than any championship. Fuck that were barley a half game over you guys for the record. Even though we choked the last four games of the finals, I'm still very confident that we'll beat you guys just because we beat you last year and that means that if we meat again in the playoffs then well automatically beat you again.

RonMexico
12-29-2006, 11:04 PM
Meh, I just got back from Lafayette, and I care not to read this whole thread as it's just a lot of back and forth bitching.....but, eat shit RonMexico. How does it feel to have the most un-clutch player ever to hit the game winning shot? Or Jet dropping 35 on your little girls last night? Or getting held to under 100? I bet your pants loaded up pretty bad last night huh?

Fuck you - and stretch, you're a dumbass - your Mavs have a defense that is 2 points better than the Suns' (at best)... in fact, it's only 1-point better than the Suns' because a D'Antoni tech gave them 1...

Show me Dirk and JET winning a title with that kind of play and I'll give them their props...

dirk4mvp
12-29-2006, 11:08 PM
You shouldn't post when your mouth is full of dick.


Show me the 2 time mvp even getting to the finals and I'll give props.

mavsfan1000
12-29-2006, 11:24 PM
With all the bullshit calls in this game going the suns way the mavs would've won by more

stretch
12-30-2006, 12:29 AM
Chill me fellow mav brother. They say kids like your self resort to foul language because they lack intelligence. Prove to me and theses other posters that you have the mental capacity to carry on an intelligent basketball conversation with out having to lower your self to that level.
okey dokey. shall do.

however, are you really a mavs fan? cuz ive also seen someone with the name "IGNORANT SPURS FAN".

stretch
12-30-2006, 12:31 AM
Fuck you - and stretch, you're a dumbass - your Mavs have a defense that is 2 points better than the Suns' (at best)... in fact, it's only 1-point better than the Suns' because a D'Antoni tech gave them 1...

Show me Dirk and JET winning a title with that kind of play and I'll give them their props...
lol, horrible basketball logic.

Xylus
12-30-2006, 02:17 AM
After watching a good majority of Suns games this year, I've concluded this:

The Suns are not a bad defensive team. In the last 10 games, in fact, the Suns are holding opponents to the lowest percentage in the league: .425, narrowly beating out Detroit, Utah, and Houston. If you count tonight's game against the Knicks, who the Suns held to under 38% shooting, that percentage is even lower.

On the season, the Suns are holding opponents to an average of about .450, which is good enough for 9th or 10th in the NBA. That's better than Dallas and San Antonio.


The Suns' biggest weakness is defensive rebounding.

They desperately need another rebounder on the roster. Unfortunately, Shawn Marion is being forced to guard smaller opponents, which means he's not in a great position to rebound (since he's guarding on the perimeter). Kurt Thomas isn't getting more than 20 minutes a game, so there's not much he can do to affect this problem. Boris Diaw looks to be more of a playmaker than a force inside, so he's not helping much.

Amare Stoudemire is doing a decent job of attacking the boards, but he doesn't have a nose for the ball like Marion does.

The Suns need to address this problem before the playoffs, or it will be their undoing. If they can remedy this problem and become a better rebounding team, then they'll be one tiny step ahead of both San Antonio and Dallas, theoretically.

dav4463
12-30-2006, 05:58 AM
What ever bitch! I don't want no history lesson. Even though that's why teams play the game for is to win a championship. We beat you guys and that's better than any championship. Fuck that were barley a half game over you guys for the record. Even though we choked the last four games of the finals, I'm still very confident that we'll beat you guys just because we beat you last year and that means that if we meat again in the playoffs then well automatically beat you again.

That's the difference in Spurs fans and Mavs fans. Mavs are just as happy to beat Spurs than they would be to win a championship. To Spurs fan, the Mavs are just another stepping stone to yet another title. We just tripped on that stone last year and hope not to do it again. But the Spurs are not all-consumed with the Mavs....we worry about Phoenix, Denver, LA, Utah just as much as dallas.

RonMexico
12-30-2006, 10:54 AM
With all the bullshit calls in this game going the suns way the mavs would've won by more

With any of the over-the-backs called on Diop/Dirk, there wouldn't have been 15 offensive rebounds.

You're saying 10 first-quarter fouls on the Suns vs. 2 against the Mavs was the going the Suns way? I'll even use the typical Mavs' fan defense that the Mavs shot 7 more FTs than the Suns.

The problem with the Suns is that they showed intensity on the glass and on the defensive end throughout this whole game except for a few key stretches in the 1st and 4th quarters, which blew it for them. Because today's modern TV displays cut-scenes of every fucking player that makes a shot, I wasn't able to see the poor in-bounds plays the Suns made about 3 different times in this game that led to about 8 points for the Mavs.

I don't know why they played so nervous in the first half and for about 4 minutes in the 4th. Especially Raja Bell, who never seems to make dumb mistakes like that...

stretch
12-30-2006, 11:46 AM
After watching a good majority of Suns games this year, I've concluded this:

The Suns are not a bad defensive team. In the last 10 games, in fact, the Suns are holding opponents to the lowest percentage in the league: .425, narrowly beating out Detroit, Utah, and Houston. If you count tonight's game against the Knicks, who the Suns held to under 38% shooting, that percentage is even lower.

On the season, the Suns are holding opponents to an average of about .450, which is good enough for 9th or 10th in the NBA. That's better than Dallas and San Antonio.


The Suns' biggest weakness is defensive rebounding.

They desperately need another rebounder on the roster. Unfortunately, Shawn Marion is being forced to guard smaller opponents, which means he's not in a great position to rebound (since he's guarding on the perimeter). Kurt Thomas isn't getting more than 20 minutes a game, so there's not much he can do to affect this problem. Boris Diaw looks to be more of a playmaker than a force inside, so he's not helping much.

Amare Stoudemire is doing a decent job of attacking the boards, but he doesn't have a nose for the ball like Marion does.

The Suns need to address this problem before the playoffs, or it will be their undoing. If they can remedy this problem and become a better rebounding team, then they'll be one tiny step ahead of both San Antonio and Dallas, theoretically.
those stats are nice. however, its much better to wait until the season is almost over to really get a good judgement of how good their defense really is, after they have played some more good teams. and so far, they havent fared well against good teams at all. they have lost in their 2 games against Dallas, 2 games against Utah, 1 game against San Antonio, and 1 game against LAL. the only win that they have had against a truly quality team, a team that can contend for a title, is Houston. they need to prove that they can play good defense against good teams. not just junk teams.

stretch
12-30-2006, 11:50 AM
The problem with the Suns is that they showed intensity on the glass and on the defensive end throughout this whole game except for a few key stretches in the 1st and 4th quarters, which blew it for them.

you hit the nail right on the head. they made mistakes in KEY stretches. KEY. the key word is KEY. a few bad mistakes at bad times loses games. all teams make mistakes. its a matter of when they make them. great teams that have won titles, like the Lakers, Pistons, and Spurs would rarely make mistakes at key moments in games, and thats was the difference between them and everyone else in the league.

RonMexico
12-31-2006, 04:52 PM
you hit the nail right on the head. they made mistakes in KEY stretches. KEY. the key word is KEY. a few bad mistakes at bad times loses games. all teams make mistakes. its a matter of when they make them. great teams that have won titles, like the Lakers, Pistons, and Spurs would rarely make mistakes at key moments in games, and thats was the difference between them and everyone else in the league.

At least we agree on something... we could have come to this conclusion pages ago if you just would have said the Suns blew it with costly mistakes at the wrong times instead of making a blanket statement like "their whole defense sucks"

da_suns_fan__
12-31-2006, 06:51 PM
11 Freaking pages about one game?

Wow, Stretch, the Suns are really worrying you, huh?

mavsfan1000
12-31-2006, 08:29 PM
11 Freaking pages about one game?

Wow, Stretch, the Suns are really worrying you, huh?
I think it's more the suns fans like to talk a lot of shit and their team doesn't back it up.

mavs>spurs2
12-31-2006, 08:47 PM
At least we agree on something... we could have come to this conclusion pages ago if you just would have said the Suns blew it with costly mistakes at the wrong times instead of making a blanket statement like "their whole defense sucks"

Aside from the costly mistakes, their defense still does suck. That's why they will never make it past the semifinals. Unless, of course, they get lucky and don't have to play the mavs or spurs like last season.

stretch
12-31-2006, 11:45 PM
At least we agree on something... we could have come to this conclusion pages ago if you just would have said the Suns blew it with costly mistakes at the wrong times instead of making a blanket statement like "their whole defense sucks"
i suppose. i just now prefer not to go into discussions about defense with people who think you can win a championship with minimal defense and minimal rebounding abilities. its a waste of time.

stretch
12-31-2006, 11:53 PM
11 Freaking pages about one game?

Wow, Stretch, the Suns are really worrying you, huh?
perhaps. perhaps not. but i tell you who needs to worry, are suns fans. the team still doesnt consistently make big plays when they need them, still are a weak defensive team, and are a weak rebounding team. yall can show me all the stats you want, but i promise you guys, the thing that will end the season early for the suns will be their lack of defense and rebounding. everyone will talk about the fact that they lost because they couldnt play good enough defense and rebound the ball well enough, and once again, reality will hit, that you cannot win with a team built the way the Suns are built.

RonMexico
01-01-2007, 05:36 AM
i suppose. i just now prefer not to go into discussions about defense with people who think you can win a championship with minimal defense and minimal rebounding abilities. its a waste of time.

Not a bad job against the Pistons - key defensive stops helped the Suns get the win today... Of course, Detroit didn't have Chauncey, so it can only go so far, but the Suns didn't have Amare last year in the WCF, so.... :lol

ponky
01-01-2007, 05:52 AM
WHen teams account for Howard he is a below avg player..when teams have to account for Dirk..then Howard roams free to do his business..

no nowitzki tonight in the game against the nuggets on a btb for dallas in denver

jho's stat line: 10-16 field goals, 3-7 3pointers, 5-6 free throws, (4 offensive, 13 defensive) 17 REBOUNDS, 5 assists, 3 blocks...28 points

ponky
01-01-2007, 05:56 AM
11 Freaking pages about one game?

Wow, Stretch, the Suns are really worrying you, huh?


they barely won a game against a billups-less pistons team yesterday...they haven't proven anything other than that they can keep it close and exciting at times...still 0-5 against the top three teams in the west this season

i will admit that you can't just relax when playing the suns or you'll get down very quickly but i wouldn't say the suns *scare* mavericks fans...or spurs fans for that matter

RonMexico
01-01-2007, 05:58 AM
no nowitzki tonight in the game against the nuggets on a btb for dallas in denver

jho's stat line: 10-16 field goals, 3-7 3pointers, 5-6 free throws, (4 offensive, 13 defensive) 17 REBOUNDS, 5 assists, 3 blocks...28 points

He caught those rebounds with his retainer. Once David Stern outlaws orthodontics, Josh Howard will be nobody... haha

ponky
01-01-2007, 06:01 AM
He caught those rebounds with his retainer. Once David Stern outlaws orthodontics, Josh Howard will be nobody... haha

weak

RonMexico
01-01-2007, 06:06 AM
Just stop trying to applaud Howard for a single good game against a nobody.

stretch
01-01-2007, 10:09 AM
Just stop trying to applaud Howard for a single good game against a nobody.
then perhaps you should stop trying to applaud the Phoenix D for building decent defensive stats against shitty teams.

da_suns_fan__
01-01-2007, 11:29 AM
LMFAO!

Suns just held the Mavs to 41% shooting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261228006

Stretch: WOOPS!

The Mavs finally saw the healthy Suns and won a game against them at home on a last second shot by Dirk. Better pray for HCA in the playoffs if these two teams meet. I like what I saw. Suns should have won, they just looked a little tense and made some bone-head plays. But I would put money on them in playoffs against Dork No-Trophy...don't forget he's notorious for choking in the playoffs.

The_Game
01-01-2007, 12:09 PM
good D or not vs the mavs the suns had a big lead in the 4th and blew it. They failed to score really in the last 5 minutes or so which is why i don't see them beating the mavs in a 7 game series. they don't get enough stops at the end of games vs the good teams and they also get shut down. rebounding is also a big problem. mavs had what? 7 offensive boards in the 4th or something like that.

SpurForLife
01-01-2007, 12:16 PM
good D or not vs the mavs the suns had a big lead in the 4th and blew it. They failed to score really in the last 5 minutes or so which is why i don't see them beating the mavs in a 7 game series. they don't get enough stops at the end of games vs the good teams and they also get shut down. rebounding is also a big problem. mavs had what? 7 offensive boards in the 4th or something like that.


AMEN!!!

Mr.Bottomtooth
01-01-2007, 12:21 PM
I second the Amen.

stretch
01-01-2007, 12:23 PM
LMFAO!

Suns just held the Mavs to 41% shooting:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261228006

Stretch: WOOPS!

The Mavs finally saw the healthy Suns and won a game against them at home on a last second shot by Dirk. Better pray for HCA in the playoffs if these two teams meet. I like what I saw. Suns should have won, they just looked a little tense and made some bone-head plays. But I would put money on them in playoffs against Dork No-Trophy...don't forget he's notorious for choking in the playoffs.
41% seems pretty good. unfortunately, they still allowed the mavs to get a whopping 85 FGA's, and still score over 100 points... on 41% shooting. defense isnt all about percentages. you gotta be able to limit your opponents shot opportunities as well. look at all the best defenses around. sure, the Suns play a fast paced offense, which means more shots, but the Mavs still had 13 more shots than they did. and dont make an excuse that it was because of the turnovers, because the mavs only had 3 less turnovers.

either way, i dont care how much you argue about stats. all that matters is the win, and the Mavs won. it doesnt matter if you win by a point or 50 points, the final outcome is simply a win. nothing more, nothing less.

Mr.Bottomtooth
01-01-2007, 12:29 PM
Yeah.

da_suns_fan__
01-01-2007, 01:31 PM
Take a look at the box score.

Dirk: 8-20
Howard: 8-17
Harris: 6-15

The Mavs need JET to be playing lights out just to win at home. Having Raja and Amare back allows Marion to concentrate fully on Dirk. Raja took Howard out of the game, and Dallas had NO ANSWER for Amare or Nash. They ran the pick and roll to perfection.....JET had a huge game and Dirk made a tough 20 footer over Marion for the win, but the Suns were able to run their game plan more efficiently (51% to 41%).

The Mavs are dependant on isolations (which didn't work well) and long jumpers from Dirk. They had a ton of offensive rebounds which saved them (they had 13 more shot attempts but only won by two). The Suns defense was outstanding.

Im pretty confident the Suns would handle the Mavs pretty easily in the playoffs.

RonMexico
01-01-2007, 01:44 PM
you gotta be able to limit your opponents Free Throw shot opportunities as well.

I fixed it for you.

ponky
01-01-2007, 03:47 PM
Just stop trying to applaud Howard for a single good game against a nobody.

i will as soon as you stop trying to applaud the Suns for a string of good games against a bunch of nobodies

0-5 against the top three teams in the west...nothing to cheer about

PhxDog
01-01-2007, 08:05 PM
IMO Diaw's sixth foul was the turning point in this game--he's usually the team's second ball-handler and playmaker down the stretch, and you could tell that players like Barbosa and Raja Bell were not comfortable handling the ball.

Nice shot by Dirk at the end, though.

Amarelooms
01-01-2007, 09:20 PM
Take a look at the box score.

Dirk: 8-20
Howard: 8-17
Harris: 6-15

The Mavs need JET to be playing lights out just to win at home. Having Raja and Amare back allows Marion to concentrate fully on Dirk. Raja took Howard out of the game, and Dallas had NO ANSWER for Amare or Nash. They ran the pick and roll to perfection.....JET had a huge game and Dirk made a tough 20 footer over Marion for the win, but the Suns were able to run their game plan more efficiently (51% to 41%).

The Mavs are dependant on isolations (which didn't work well) and long jumpers from Dirk. They had a ton of offensive rebounds which saved them (they had 13 more shot attempts but only won by two). The Suns defense was outstanding.

Im pretty confident the Suns would handle the Mavs pretty easily in the playoffs.

Suns would handle the Mavs easily...lol...HAHAHA. What a dumb fuck. Even most Suns homers would agree it's gonna be a battle and NO ONE is going to "handle" anyone. Love how you twist everything in the Suns favor. How about saying only Terry had a decent game and Stack was out yet the Mavs still won. Now be gone homer :ihit

Xylus
01-01-2007, 09:22 PM
I think a little too much is being made about this game...

A single shot decided the fate of the game, and the Suns would have had a strong chance of winning if Amare wasn't the one taking the last damn shot. The inbounder (Bell, I think) had a wide-open Nash to his left, but hesitated to pass it to him. That easily could have been the game-winner.

Like I said, the Mavs won because they had so many more shot attempts. That's a product of bad rebounding, not bad defense.

As far as I see it:

Offense: Suns > Mavs
Defense: Suns = Mavs
Rebounding: Mavs > Suns

If the Suns can pick up an able rebounder mid-season, that could be the difference. You guys can talk all you want about the Suns' "poor defense," but until you actually back it up with statistics, we as Suns fans can't take you seriously. The Mavs, after all, were up by 13 at two points during the game and ended up behind at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

Amarelooms
01-01-2007, 09:41 PM
I think a little too much is being made about this game...

A single shot decided the fate of the game, and the Suns would have had a strong chance of winning if Amare wasn't the one taking the last damn shot. The inbounder (Bell, I think) had a wide-open Nash to his left, but hesitated to pass it to him. That easily could have been the game-winner.

Like I said, the Mavs won because they had so many more shot attempts. That's a product of bad rebounding, not bad defense.

As far as I see it:

Offense: Suns > Mavs
Defense: Suns = Mavs
Rebounding: Mavs > Suns

If the Suns can pick up an able rebounder mid-season, that could be the difference. You guys can talk all you want about the Suns' "poor defense," but until you actually back it up with statistics, we as Suns fans can't take you seriously. The Mavs, after all, were up by 13 at two points during the game and ended up behind at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

HAHHA Suns D equal to the Mavs? You lose all credibility....nice try. Other than Bell and maybe Marion NONE of the Suns can play D. Nash and Amare are actually defensive liabilities. So sad homer...so sad indeed :ihit

RonMexico
01-01-2007, 09:43 PM
i will as soon as you stop trying to applaud the Suns for a string of good games against a bunch of nobodies

0-5 against the top three teams in the west...nothing to cheer about

Only thing I can cheer about is that they are beating the teams they should and therefore, have a good record in the most competitive of the two conferences. They seem to have had their annual "blow it against" the tops in the West streak early, and (hopefully) will turn that around, rather than slumping at the end of the season.

That string of good games has revived their confidence and chemistry and I saw them playing much better against the Mavs on the road than they did earlier in the season at home. I don't see a 60-win season in their future, but I do think that they made some mental errors and missed Diaw more than anyone could have known down the stretch. One or two bounces this way or that and the Suns come out on top by two... who knows?

All I know is, they closed it out against the Pistons (sans Chauncey, of course) and that was satisfying. At least they didn't get demoralized and let another one get away from them on the road against an injured opponent. Still, they weathered a really good game from Rip and Flip (Murray), so that's ok. What I like about this team is it's character and resolve - i.e. not getting down after 1-5 start and not getting down because they lost a tough one to Dallas. And Amare sealed it with a little bit of nice defense with that block.

RonMexico
01-01-2007, 09:46 PM
HAHHA Suns D equal to the Mavs? You lose all credibility....nice try. Other than Bell and maybe Marion NONE of the Suns can play D. Nash and Amare are actually defensive liabilities. So sad homer...so sad indeed :ihit

This is just another Mavs homer-fueled response that tries to make fun of people with no facts to back it up. That heralded Mavs' "D" gave up 51% shooting and huge runs that let the Suns get back in the game. They just missed Diaw and so the Mavs' defense on lesser ball-handlers (Bell/Barbosa) was satisfactory enough to cause turnovers.

He ways saying that the Suns' D in this game was equal to the Mavs, but not overall right now...

Nashfan
01-01-2007, 10:05 PM
Whoever said the Mavs have won against a lot of quality teams this year are wrong. You beat the Spurs once and the Suns twice. You lost to both Detroit and Utah and the rest of your schedule was soft and you lost to teams you should not be losing to such as the Warriors and the Rockets to name a few. So saying the Suns have had such a soft schedule with their wins is just ridiculous! Yes, we have not beat the Spurs or the Mavs and Jazz yet but all but one of those games was at the beginning of the season and we were way off chemistry wise. Give the Suns time and they will beat some of the better teams in the league this year. I just get tired of Mav fans tooting their horn so much and they have had a soft schedule against quite a few soft teams this year also. The Suns have yet to be blown out this year unlike the Mavs so you don't have much to brag about at this time. Beating Denver last night without Carmelo and JR Smith and Nene playing and Kenyon Martin out for the year and with Dirk out and Stackhouse is not that great of an accomplishment. The Suns beat them badly last year (we have not gotten to play them this year yet due to the blizzard) and we did not have Amare or Kurt Thomas playing. Amare is equal to Dirk as far as star power goes so lets see you beat quality teams without Dirk first before you going bragging about one win against a depleted Nuggets team. Before you go saying Iverson is such a handful, he may be for most teams but the Suns happen to be one of the few teams to hold him to below his average.

StylisticS
01-01-2007, 10:13 PM
Spur fans are probably laughing their asses off right now that we are going back and forth on their board about a fuckin regular season game.. Both fanbases sound like jackasses right now not willing to give credit to the other on such a great and well played game. Who gives a shit who was playing, or how it was played. Just know that both teams need to make major improvements before April comes around.

Suns fans saw Marion and Diaw did not play to what they are use to see. Likewise, Mavs fans saw Dirk and Howard not play well as well. Suns need to improve on rebounding, Mavs need to improve on killer instinct. The Key in all of this is that it was in DECEMBER.

BillsCarnage
01-01-2007, 10:21 PM
Spur fans are probably laughing their asses off right now that we are going back and forth on their board about a fuckin regular season game.. Both fanbases sound like jackasses right now not willing to give credit to the other on such a great and well played game. Who gives a shit who was playing, or how it was played. Just know that both teams need to make major improvements before April comes around.
It's true.. I can't believe this thread is still going...

JMarkJohns
01-01-2007, 10:27 PM
Spur fans are probably laughing their asses off right now that we are going back and forth on their board about a fuckin regular season game.. Both fanbases sound like jackasses right now not willing to give credit to the other on such a great and well played game. Who gives a shit who was playing, or how it was played. Just know that both teams need to make major improvements before April comes around.

Suns fans saw Marion and Diaw did not play to what they are use to see. Likewise, Mavs fans saw Dirk and Howard not play well as well. Suns need to improve on rebounding, Mavs need to improve on killer instinct. The Key in all of this is that it was in DECEMBER.

Best post within this thread. Shame it can't simply end it. I guess I'm selfish enough to want my "props" post to be made known, rather than simply through a PM... Good sentiment. The game was decided by a here or there. One basket here, another rebound there, everything is changed.

Like Stylistic said, way too much has been read into about one, single, late-December game. As I said earlier within this thread, last year Dallas took the first two games vs. Phoenix, then lost the next two to finish out the regular season, then lost game one at home vs. the Suns before beating Phoenix 4-2. So, in the big picture, the Suns starting 0-2 vs. Dallas means very little. If the Suns manage to go 2-0 vs. Dallas to finish the year, it means very little. One or two game between these two teams is hardly the definate some Mavs fans are claiming it/them to be. Meanwhile, it's not "nothing" either. I may very well decide homecourt, which may very well decide a playoff series.

Still, I hope the intent can be picked out. Mavs know more about the Mavs than most every Suns fan does. Suns fans know more abou the Suns than most every Mavs fan does.

stretch
01-01-2007, 11:59 PM
Take a look at the box score.

Dirk: 8-20
Howard: 8-17
Harris: 6-15

The Mavs need JET to be playing lights out just to win at home. Having Raja and Amare back allows Marion to concentrate fully on Dirk. Raja took Howard out of the game, and Dallas had NO ANSWER for Amare or Nash. They ran the pick and roll to perfection.....JET had a huge game and Dirk made a tough 20 footer over Marion for the win, but the Suns were able to run their game plan more efficiently (51% to 41%).

The Mavs are dependant on isolations (which didn't work well) and long jumpers from Dirk. They had a ton of offensive rebounds which saved them (they had 13 more shot attempts but only won by two). The Suns defense was outstanding.

Im pretty confident the Suns would handle the Mavs pretty easily in the playoffs.

you truly are making a lot out of one game. either way, im not going to waste my time debating with simpleminded morons like yourself. ill just let the Mavs do the talking when the playoffs come... if our teams even meet, since now the Suns wont have an easy road the way they did last year.

stretch
01-01-2007, 11:59 PM
I think a little too much is being made about this game...

A single shot decided the fate of the game, and the Suns would have had a strong chance of winning if Amare wasn't the one taking the last damn shot. The inbounder (Bell, I think) had a wide-open Nash to his left, but hesitated to pass it to him. That easily could have been the game-winner.

Like I said, the Mavs won because they had so many more shot attempts. That's a product of bad rebounding, not bad defense.

As far as I see it:

Offense: Suns > Mavs
Defense: Suns = Mavs
Rebounding: Mavs > Suns

If the Suns can pick up an able rebounder mid-season, that could be the difference. You guys can talk all you want about the Suns' "poor defense," but until you actually back it up with statistics, we as Suns fans can't take you seriously. The Mavs, after all, were up by 13 at two points during the game and ended up behind at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

you truly are a total fucking moron to say the Suns D is just as good as the Mavs D.

ponky
01-02-2007, 12:33 AM
Spur fans are probably laughing their asses off right now that we are going back and forth on their board about a fuckin regular season game.. Both fanbases sound like jackasses right now not willing to give credit to the other on such a great and well played game. Who gives a shit who was playing, or how it was played. Just know that both teams need to make major improvements before April comes around.

Suns fans saw Marion and Diaw did not play to what they are use to see. Likewise, Mavs fans saw Dirk and Howard not play well as well. Suns need to improve on rebounding, Mavs need to improve on killer instinct. The Key in all of this is that it was in DECEMBER.


Uh, I think it's stupid that people are arguing about what was essentially a close game but who cares what Spurs fans think about the thread? Check out some of their threads for regular season games sometime....SPURS/MAVS GAME THREAD HAD OVER 700 POSTS AND 28 PAGES.

RonMexico
01-02-2007, 01:30 AM
Uh, I think it's stupid that people are arguing about what was essentially a close game but who cares what Spurs fans think about the thread? Check out some of their threads for regular season games sometime....SPURS/MAVS GAME THREAD HAD OVER 700 POSTS AND 28 PAGES.

Spurs fans will have 10+ pages on topics such as "Who is better: Nazr, Rasho, or Malik?"

We're at least discussing a hard-fought game and insulting each other in every other post.