Should the Spurs sign Will Conroy? [Archive]

timvp

01-11-2007, 11:52 PM

This has been talked about in other threads, but with the declining play of the backup point guards, I believe that it deserves it's own thread. I watched one of his games on NBAtv and was impressed.

Will Conroy is a 6-foot-2, 195 pound point guard who is tearing up the NBDL. Last six games he's averaging 20 points, 13.3 assists and 5.9 rebounds, while shooting 52.2% from the field.

The scouting report on him in college was he was a good playmaker with limited offensive ability, mostly due to him being out of shape and too slow. As a senior, he didn't even average 10 points a game at Washington.

But since coming out of school, he's gotten in much better shape and has worked on his shot. He's now a good shooter from beyond the arc and from the line.

The question marks regarding him are his defense and his experience. It's tough to tell how well he could guard on the NBA level since most of his career he was overweight. He plays pretty well against NBDL players, but that's a much lower level. His experience is a question because he has no NBA experience and it could be asking a lot of him to come in and run a championship contender.

Conroy is going to be called up to the NBA soon. It's just a matter of which NBA team makes the call first. I don't think he lasts another couple weeks without an NBA team calling him up for a 10-day tryout.

The question is whether that should be the Spurs. Do you trust Beno Udrih or Jacque Vaughn enough to hope and pray they can fill the void, or do you make a radical move and bring in an NBDL player? And if you do, who do you cut to make room?

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/21/full.getty-72916090ge002_66er_14er_3_35_37_am.jpg

BeerIsGood!

01-11-2007, 11:55 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs take a chance on a kid like this, but you'd have to cut JV to make room. If it doesn't pan out you're pretty much left with beno as the only back up point guard - a fate I don't even wish on the Mavs

Mr. Body

01-11-2007, 11:57 PM

Kori Ellis

01-11-2007, 11:57 PM

*whisper* or they could cut James White

Mr. Body

01-12-2007, 12:00 AM

*whisper* or they could cut James White

That's a very bad idea. Why?

regio

01-12-2007, 12:04 AM

They should only if they do a 2 for 1 trade (for instance beno+barry for maggette :spin )

Kori Ellis

01-12-2007, 12:11 AM

That's a very bad idea. Why?

Yeah that was a joke. I just wanted a reaction from the jockers of White who start a new James White thread every few days. :)

I think they should only get Conroy if they trade Beno or Vaughn.

Mr. Body

01-12-2007, 12:13 AM

Yeah that was a joke. I just wanted a reaction from the jockers of White who start a new James White thread every few days. :)

I think they should only get Conroy if they trade Beno or Vaughn.

Okay. ... I thought you had knowledge we didn't have. I've been very happy with White's production in the NBDL. I don't expect anything from him for a while, but I'm confident he can be a rotation guy in the future.

Agreed on Conroy. I hope they can make a trade soon and nab Conroy. But chances are > 0%.

ChumpDumper

01-12-2007, 12:20 AM

If only Buford could find that trigger for the Maggette deal, we could bring in Conroy to replace our Slovenian.I agree with this. I would only want to go into the postseason with one question mark at that backup point spot, not two. Vaughn isn't spectacular, but he's reliably unspectacular.

SequSpur

01-12-2007, 12:44 AM

jacque vaughn sucks, so does beno, you aren't losing anything by letting both of these stiffs go and signing greg sutton.

Bob Lanier

01-12-2007, 12:46 AM

I don't think he would be any better than Jacque Vaughn on offense in this league, and he's probably far worse on defense.

Bruno

01-12-2007, 04:15 AM

If Beno is traded, yes. Conroy is maybe better than Vaughn and if he is struggle, Vaughn can be back the backup PG. Spurs can too work with Conroy to have a good backup PG for next year.

If Vaughn is traded, no. I don't want to have no reliable backup PG : Beno isn't reliable, he becomes a laibility sometimes and Conroy will be a rookie. Spurs need to have a solid 3rd string PG if their backup PG isn't reliable (like Beno or Conroy). If Vaughn is traded, I rather sign a vet like Randy Livingston.

Mr. Body

01-12-2007, 04:23 AM

Who's trading Jacque Vaughn?

T Park

01-12-2007, 04:24 AM

Should they? Yes most definately.

Will they? Not a chance in hell.

Bruno

01-12-2007, 04:36 AM

Who's trading Jacque Vaughn?

Vaugh won't be traded for himself but he can be a part of a package.

mountainballer

01-12-2007, 05:05 AM

Bruno

01-12-2007, 06:39 AM

this are quite impressive numbers Conroy gets.
but can somebody answer me this:
he is averaging 47.2 minutes per game.
why is this. don't they have a bench? many injuries?
reports don't indicate that he is a wonder of endurance.

It's a bug on dleague website.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/will_conroy/game_by_game_stats.html

He hasn't played 186 min in his first game (he has played 36 min).
He hasn't too played 10 min in Dec. 16th but 40 min.
All in all, they have add 120 min to his playtime. That is to say, around 7 min per game on 18 games so he played 40 mpg. It's still a lot but it's not crazy.

AFBlue

01-12-2007, 08:03 AM

Actually the Spurs don't have to cut either Vaughn or Beno. I think they should continue to explore trade options with Williams' expiring contract, but if nothing is promising, he should be cut to make room for this kid.

The Spurs could then play Beno off the ball more when the spurs go small and match up with the Nash/Barbosa, Harris/Terry type lineups.

Having said that...I doubt it's gonna happen.

joeyjfive

01-12-2007, 09:17 AM

Theres no way hes worse than Beno. Sign anyone please!!!!!

Mr. Body

01-12-2007, 10:24 AM

I don't see the Spurs ever doing it. I realize that wasn't the question, but...

Conroy hasn't played a minute of NBA ball, as far as I know. We don't know how he'll handle NBA pressure and will need a significant period of adjustment even if he is any good. We dislike Udrih, but with him we know what we have and, yes, Beno Udrih is a legitimate NBA player.

Luke Jackson was ripping up the NBDL. Randy Livingston is ripping up the NBDL. That stuff doesn't translate very well. Jackson can't get off the bench in LAC.

SequSpur

01-12-2007, 10:27 AM

Waive Beno and sign him. Fuck it.. just do it... Beno sucks and ain't never gettin better.

Hoy

01-12-2007, 11:04 AM

Actually the Spurs don't have to cut either Vaughn or Beno. I think they should continue to explore trade options with Williams' expiring contract, but if nothing is promising, he should be cut to make room for this kid.

Do us favor and stop spouting nonsense. What would we do with 4 point guards and yet neglect what is so clear? - Bruce can't guard physical small forwards like Melo, Lebron, Bonzi, Howard ... they just eat Bruce for snacks and crap on entire Suprs. Not that Bruce can guard small faster players these days. Look at what he did against AI and Boykins... AI broke out of his slump on Bruce's vaunted defense. One thing I want to see is at least try out Williams on those players. At least once. I don't see how Williams can do any worse than Bruce.

AFBlue

01-12-2007, 11:19 AM

Do us favor and stop spouting nonsense. What would we do with 4 point guards and yet neglect what is so clear? - Bruce can't guard physical small forwards like Melo, Lebron, Bonzi, Howard ... they just eat Bruce for snacks and crap on entire Suprs. Not that Bruce can guard small faster players these days. Look at what he did against AI and Boykins... AI broke out of his slump on Bruce's vaunted defense. One thing I want to see is at least try out Williams on those players. At least once. I don't see how Williams can do any worse than Bruce.

I'm sorry, who are you? :rolleyes

AI broke out of a slump? Give me a break. Last I checked, Bruce was still pestering defenders like crazy and doing what he always does. Secondly, Eric Williams has barely played this year, and though Pop initially thought he could be a regular contributor, it looks more and more like he's just an "expiring contract" to the org. But go ahead, recommend starting him in place of Bruce Bowen.

A back-up point guard is just as big an issue as a long three or the rebounding woes. If Beno isn't the answer and the Spurs can't get rid of him, why not put him in a position to do what he's best at...shoot the ball, and bring in a serious replacement? I'm not saying the Conroy kid is it, but it's a thought. The ONLY risk is giving up Williams' expiring contract too early when it could be valuable around the trade deadline, not some hope that a 32yr old guy playing garbage minutes is going to be the answer the Spurs have been looking for.

Is that "nonsense" starting make sense now?

pad300

01-12-2007, 12:43 PM

I don't think you do. As much as we hate him, Beno would probably put up nice stats in the NBDL and we can't release Vaughn, since he has experience.

If only Buford could find that trigger for the Maggette deal, we could bring in Conroy to replace our Slovenian.

I don't thing the ownership will tolerate waiving a guaranteed contract with us so near the Lux Tax, therefore, I agree with Mr. Body that a trade that opens a roster spot would be neccessary (2 for 1, or 3 for 2, ...).

The other thing that I think is to wait. While Conroy looks decent, it is likely Steve Francis will be bought out. Francis vs. Conroy is a no-brainer in terms of talent and physical ability. Francis's attitude might be a problem, but the same was said of Big Dog - being on an actual contender tends to help. Also, an owner willing to pay millions of dollars simply to get you off their team tends to impact a players attitude (at least temporarily). If I was in the Spurs FO, I would talk to NY, inquire about the buy-out negotiations and ask for permission to interview Francis...

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-12-2007, 01:19 PM

Will Conroy would kick ass in the Spurs. :smokin

Ed Helicopter Jones

01-12-2007, 01:24 PM

I'd like to see him play some NBA talent. Can the Spurs sign him to a 10-day without making a cut?

The NBADL is too hard to judge. It's like watching an And1 game and drawing conclusions about the talent levels.

Mr. Body

01-12-2007, 01:35 PM

Nope, the Spurs'd have to cut someone.

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-12-2007, 01:39 PM

Do the Maggette trade and get Conroy. He's way better then Beno.

ShoogarBear

01-12-2007, 03:41 PM

Greg Sutton shout-out.

Nice.

Das Texan

01-12-2007, 07:08 PM

beno is beyond useless.

vaughn is useless.

could conroy be that bad a gamble? I think no.

ChumpDumper

01-12-2007, 09:51 PM

Conroy has 10 assists at halftime tonight against Dakota. I wonder what he could do with a halfway decent offensive bigman.

ChumpDumper

01-12-2007, 11:08 PM

Well he ended up with 14 points, 15 assists and 4 turnovers tonight. I'll get a good look at him on tv and in person next week if he's not called up.

bigdog

01-13-2007, 12:22 AM

jacque vaughn sucks, so does beno, you aren't losing anything by letting both of these stiffs go and signing greg sutton.

the only reason he "sucks" is because people see him that way. he runs the offense pretty well, and since hes not asked to do anything on offense, it seems like he isnt a good player. hes a solid defender and i think the coaching staff likes him.....get rid of beno

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 10:43 PM

Conroy just got another triple-double.

SequSpur

01-13-2007, 10:45 PM

Sign him and Chris Webber and waive Beno, Vaughn, Bonner and call up white.

midgetonadonkey

01-13-2007, 10:45 PM

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 11:05 PM

21 pts, 15 ast, 10 reb and 5 to in an OT road loss to the best team in the western conference.

T Park

01-13-2007, 11:42 PM

Nice.

Only problem is, the Spurs don't care :lol

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 11:44 PM

If a trade goes down, they may have to care. I get to play Sam Smith for forty more days.

timvp

01-14-2007, 01:53 AM

21 pts, 15 ast, 10 reb and 5 to in an OT road loss to the best team in the western conference.

Does he even last another week in DLeague? If the Bucks hadn't traded for Boykins, he probably would already be in the NBA.

ChumpDumper

01-14-2007, 03:49 AM

Yeah, if he plays like this in the showcase next week, someone is probably going to pick him up before it's over.

picnroll

01-14-2007, 09:34 AM

Why oh why don't the Spurs tap D-league talent for some 10 day look overs?

Mr. Body

01-14-2007, 01:24 PM

Because their roster is full.

ChumpDumper

01-16-2007, 08:56 PM

Tonight's 66er game is being streamed on the internets.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/

ChumpDumper

01-16-2007, 09:01 PM

I'd keep an eye on Mike Hall too. Nice tweener who has six boards after the first quarter.

MannyIsGod

01-28-2007, 09:07 PM

Why isn't this guy in the NBA yet????

mardigan

01-28-2007, 09:19 PM

the only reason he "sucks" is because people see him that way. he runs the offense pretty well, and since hes not asked to do anything on offense, it seems like he isnt a good player. hes a solid defender and i think the coaching staff likes him.....get rid of beno
No, he sucks because he sucks. Do you? know anything about basketball? Do you watch Spur games? If the answer too both questions is yes, then yoy know that to be a good point you have to make open shots, distribute, and get to the rim, 3 things that Beno doesnt do. I used to like his game a lot as a rookie, but he is as about as bad as any player in the NBA, he has regressed beyond belief. If Spur fans want Atkins or a NBDL er over this guy that should tell you something.

Bruno

01-29-2007, 08:30 PM

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cbasketball/301581_conroy29ww.html

Monday, January 29, 2007 · Last updated 5:15 p.m. PT

Conroy gets the NBA call

By DAN RALEY
P-I REPORTER

Will Conroy, the University of Washington's career assist leader and one of Seattle's all-time gym rats, has picked up a new basketball label.

As of Monday afternoon, call him an NBA player.

The Memphis Grizzlies have signed Conroy, who was enjoying a breakout season with the Tulsa 66ers of the NBDL, presumably to a 10-day contract, according to a family member.

The point guard reaches "The Show" after nearly two years of wandering through the game's minor leagues and dealing with a career-threatening injury, namely a leg stress fracture that required surgery last year.

Conroy is the fifth former UW player currently on an NBA roster. He joins former teammates Brandon Roy and Nate Robinson, who play for the Portland Trail Blazers and New York Knicks, respectively, and Dan Dickau, also of the Blazers as well as Bobby Jones, now with the Philadelphia 76ers. Dickau spent just two seasons with the Huskies before transferring to Gonzaga and playing against Conroy.

Entering the week, Conroy was leading the NBDL in assists with 10.3 per game, edging out Idaho's Randy Livington (10.0) and Colorado's Julius Hodge (9.4), and was scoring 15.8 for the 12-14 66ers.

Conroy had been selected but not announced as an NBDL All-Star, a situation that no doubt will be rendered moot.

Leaving the UW, Conroy was not drafted but signed as a free agent with the Los Angeles Lakers. He played on the Lakers' summer league team and was released.

While auditioning for teams last year, he had a leg stress fracture uncovered on an X-ray, a bad break waiting to happen. Conroy underwent surgery that required the insertion of a pin to reinforce the damaged limb. He was told to stay off his leg for up to a year, but was playing again in half that time.

A legendary pickup game player in his hometown, he played for both Garfield and Rainier Beach high schools before heading to the UW originally as a walk-on and receiving a scholarship.

He watched enviously as Seattle friends and fellow hoopsters Jamal Crawford (New York), Martell Webster (Portland), Jason Terry (Dallas), Roy and Robinson each had worked their way into the NBA.

He had fired his agents, Eric and Aaron Goodwin, after months and opportunities passed without a breakthrough.

Conroy, who will wear his trademark No. 5 with the Grizzlies, should join the team in Memphis in time for tonight's game against Dallas. And Jason Terry.

Bruno

01-29-2007, 08:31 PM

Memphis have no roster spot available, they have to waive someone before signing Conroy. That's strange.

mardigan

01-29-2007, 08:34 PM

^^Or trade Atkin for a pick? If not, who do you think they will wave?

Bruno

01-29-2007, 08:38 PM

^^Or trade Atkin for a pick? If not, who do you think they will wave?

A trade is another possibility and Atkins involved makes some sense since Conroy is a PG.
They are too working on a buyout with Eddie jones, maybehe will be waive just before signing Conroy.

Bruno

01-29-2007, 08:52 PM

Memphis is playing against Sacramento and Eddie Jones hasn't played for the moment (it's the 2nd quarter), it looks like he will be bought out tomorrow.

ChumpDumper

01-30-2007, 04:37 AM

Ex-Husky Conroy heads to Memphis

By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter

Will Conroy called from the airport.

Destination?

The NBA, as the former Garfield Bulldog and Washington Husky signed a 10-day contract by the Memphis Grizzlies after having spent the last year and a half waiting for a chance while plying his trade with Tulsa in the NBA Developmental League.

Conroy spent Monday flying to Memphis, and his first game in uniform figures to be Wednesday night when the Grizzlies host fellow Seattle native Jason Terry and the Dallas Mavericks.

"I'm excited, but you know, I've got to relax a little bit," Conroy said.

That will be hard to do, however, as getting the NBA call fulfills a lifelong dream and completes a long journey that began when he used to pay $2.50 to play all day at the Salvation Army in Portland, where he lived before moving to Seattle at age 8.

Once here, he became a team captain at both Garfield and Washington, becoming the Huskies' all-time assists leader after joining the team initially as a walk-on in 2001. As a senior, he helped lead Washington to the Pac-10 Conference tournament championship and the Sweet 16 in 2005.

But unlike teammates Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson and Bobby Jones — all drafted into the NBA the last two years — Conroy went untaken.

He spent last season with Tulsa, turning down chances to play overseas that would have paid more money. Riding buses through the D-League, he was told, would make it easier to get the call to the NBA.

"I'm not a guy who chases the money but chases the dream," he said. "My dream was to play in the NBA."

Conroy thought the dream was coming true when he was offered a contract by the San Antonio Spurs. But offseason surgery to repair a stress fracture in his left leg waylaid those plans. Conroy had a rod inserted in the leg, and some wondered if it might end his NBA chances for good.

"I didn't doubt that I would make it back, I just doubted if I would have my same ability," he said.

Conroy recovered enough to get a training camp invite from the Charlotte Bobcats, but played sparingly and was cut early on.

"I wasn't healthy at the time," he said. "I just wanted to go and see where I was."

Conroy headed back to Tulsa, and as he got healthy — he said he only recently has begun feeling comfortable jumping off his left leg — he tore up the D-League. As of Monday, he was leading the league in assists at 10.3 per game, while averaging 15.8 points and 5.4 rebounds. He also had three triple-doubles, and the front page of the league's Web site touted him as the league's career leader in that category.

Conroy said his play had him convinced that "it wasn't a matter of if, but when" he would get a call from an NBA team.

It came Monday morning as he lifted weights with the rest of his Tulsa team.

He had told his coach, Joey Meyer, of plans to drive to Oklahoma City later in the day to see Roy and the Portland Trail Blazers play Monday night.

"He [Meyer] said if he were me, he wouldn't go anywhere," Conroy said. The call came a short while later.

A 10-day contract offers no guarantees, though the fact that the Grizzlies have the worst record in the NBA at 12-34 figures to provide Conroy ample opportunity to state his case.

For now, he has a short-term goal of simply staying around long enough to make a homecoming when the Grizzlies play at Seattle on Feb. 20.

"That will be sweet if I make it to then," he said.

Bob Condotta: 206-515-5699 or [email protected]
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003547191_conroy30.html

So close, yet....

Congrats to Will. I had no idea about the injury he dealt with.

Now I wonder what happened to Vincent Grier.

timvp

01-30-2007, 07:56 AM

Conroy thought the dream was coming true when he was offered a contract by the San Antonio Spurs. But offseason surgery to repair a stress fracture in his left leg waylaid those plans.

:madrun :madrun

Bruno

01-30-2007, 09:38 AM

Memphis is playing against Sacramento and Eddie Jones hasn't played for the moment (it's the 2nd quarter), it looks like he will be bought out tomorrow.

:)

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5314919,00.html

Veteran guard Eddie Jones didn't officially play due to a coach's decision, but has agreed to a contract buyout with the team. The Griz could waive Jones as soon as today, and reportedly will sign former Washington guard Will Conroy to a 10-day contract. Conroy, who played for NBDL's Tulsa 66ers, told a Seattle paper Monday that he was headed for Memphis.

MoSpur

01-30-2007, 10:22 AM

:)

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5314919,00.html

I like Jones length and the fact that he can still hit the three.

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-30-2007, 02:00 PM

Memphis Signs Will Conroy To 10-Day Deal
30th January, 2007 - 1:45 pm
Press Release -
Memphis Grizzlies President of Basketball Operations Jerry West announced today the team has signed guard Will Conroy to a 10-day contract.

Conroy joins the Grizzlies from the NBA Development League where he was averaging 15.8 points, 5.4 rebounds and a league-high 10.3 assists in 26 games with the Tulsa 66ers this season. The 6-2, 195 pound guard becomes the eighth Gatorade call-up this season, and the second from the D-League in Grizzlies’ history.

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-30-2007, 02:00 PM

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/44470/20070130/memphis_signs_will_conroy_to_10_day_deal/

Bruno

01-30-2007, 02:06 PM

I like Jones length and the fact that he can still hit the three.

I don't think Spurs want to add another old swingman.
I can see him ending with Miami or Dallas.

wildbill2u

01-30-2007, 06:41 PM

bigfundamental21

01-30-2007, 09:40 PM

Jones has been waived and Conroy is his replacement. There are reports that Jones will sign with the Heat, but I'm not sure who the Heat will cut to make room for his old ass.

Bruno

01-31-2007, 06:37 AM

Now I wonder what happened to Vincent Grier.

http://www.startribune.com/503/story/970697.html

Former Gophers men's basketball star Vincent Grier left the NBA Development team in Sioux Falls last weekend to sign a contract in Korea.

Grier will receive a significant pay increase from the D-League, but in leaving almost certainly gives up any chance of receiving a 10-day NBA contract this season.

Many believed Grier was in line for an NBA look. He averaged 19.5 points and 5.9 rebounds in 17 games for Sioux Falls, hitting 51.3 percent of his field-goal attempts (120 of 234). The 6-5 guard had been the final cut of the Miami Heat during training camp last fall.

Grier signed a one-year deal in Korea, which would make him eligible for an NBA training camp before the 2007-08 season.

ChumpDumper

01-31-2007, 03:36 PM

Thanks, I suspected something like that -- there wasn't even notice that he had left the team. He reminded me a little of Devin Brown when I saw him.

MannyIsGod

01-31-2007, 04:36 PM

If he makes it past Feb. and eventually as an NBA regular, no doubt this will become one of our Spur'sTalk myths and legends about how easy it was to see his value and how stupid the FO/Pop was for not cutting someone to sign him.Well, considering they don't play EWill and James White while our backup PG isn't exactly strong, I think if he blows up there will be no way not to see this as a mistake. He's been putting up triple doubles at will.

ChumpDumper

01-31-2007, 06:06 PM

I figure the Spurs won't scour the minors until after the trade deadline if they still feel like they have holes. Unfortunately, most of the best players will be gone by then. Guys like Grier and Devin Green are going after paychecks probably in the same manner as Noel Felix so they can play in the D-League full-time next season if necessary. In Green's case it was extremely premature, as ten-day contracts couldn't even be signed when he left.

The Spurs need to decide whether they are going to use Williams at all if they don't trade him. If not, better to give his roster spot to someone who might be worth keeping beyond this season. There aren't any point guards left that are as ready as Conroy was to make the jump, though guys like Pooh Jeter are intriguing. There are a couple of swingmen left that could help in the future like Sean Banks, who is now the most productive scorer in the D-League since he joined the LA team.

ChumpDumper

01-31-2007, 09:43 PM

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/04/full.getty-71797018jm002_mavs_grizz_7_36_38_pm.jpg

No, really. I'm on the team. They just signed me.

MannyIsGod

02-01-2007, 02:46 PM

God, the more and more we have to watch Beno and Vaughn play the more and more I hate that we didn't get this guy, or anyone. There has to be an NBA vet out there who can provide something while on the court because right now those 2 detract a lot and don't provide a damn thing.

Bruno

02-01-2007, 06:23 PM

Not really related, but Aaron Miles (a former D League PG) is playing really well now in Europe. He should be back in nba next year.

timvp

02-01-2007, 06:31 PM

Aaron Miles is an NBA level player. I don't know how he didn't make the league as some team's third string PG.

The next best available PG in the minor leagues is Pooh Jeter ... and he's a borderline third stringer at best. Conroy was the only PG available that could become a solid backup PG in the NBA.

Once Atkins is traded, there's a good chance that Conroy is going to start putting up big numbers. At that point, it's going to be hard to stop Spurs fans from jumping off the ledge if Beno is still sucking.

Bruno

02-01-2007, 06:35 PM

Aaron Miles is an NBA level player. I don't know how he didn't make the league as some team's third string PG.

Bad luck.
He twist his ankle just before the training camp (with Portland).

Cant_Be_Faded

02-01-2007, 06:50 PM

Aaron Miles is very active on the defensive end, i liked that about him. Sounds like a good spurs backup point guard trait to me.

timvp

02-09-2007, 12:03 AM

Will Conroy is back on the market. The Grizzlies let him go.

Picking him up makes sense for the Spurs, especially if Beno isn't in the plans anymore. If Eric Williams isn't going to get traded, just waive him and pick up Conroy.

Mr. Body

02-09-2007, 12:11 AM

People need to realize that at this point, and probably forever, Will Conroy is not the player Beno Udrih is.

ShoogarBear

02-09-2007, 12:13 AM

Beno Udrih is not the player Beno Udrih is.

timvp

02-09-2007, 12:14 AM

People need to realize that at this point, and probably forever, Will Conroy is not the player Beno Udrih is.
Beno is finished as a Spur. They need someone to backup Vaughn.

ChumpDumper

02-09-2007, 12:15 AM

People need to realize that at this point, and probably forever, Will Conroy is not the player Beno Udrih is.God I hope he's not.

Mr. Body

02-09-2007, 01:35 AM

Beno is a much better player than Will Conroy. He sucks on the Spurs, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have NBA talent.

That Conroy couldn't stick with the worst team in the NBA should be a sign how vast the difference between the NBA and the NBDL is.

phyzik

02-09-2007, 01:44 AM

at this point, if where even possible, drop beno and offer to pay the rest of his contract to whoever team picks him up... they can trade us a bag of Doritos for all I care.

Im sure there are going to be bitches here who think beno needs "one more chance"... fuck the fuck off dammit... if there was an over/under on how many chances an NBA player gets to show production, I would take the over with Beno... He has had WAY to many chances and still hasnt produced.... and not only that, has gotten worse!!!

ChumpDumper

02-09-2007, 03:58 AM

Beno is a much better player than Will Conroy. He sucks on the Spurs, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have NBA talent.That means he sucks on the Spurs. Why should I GAF if someone might be able to play somewhere else. Get rid of him and try Conroy who hasn't been proven to suck as a Spur yet.

mountainballer

02-09-2007, 06:16 AM

Why should I GAF if someone might be able to play somewhere else. Get rid of him and try Conroy who hasn't been proven to suck as a Spur yet.

did I miss something, or isn't Conroy still under contract with the Grizzlies?
is it, that you assume they won't resign him after his 10-days contract is expired and that then the Spurs should sign him?

ChumpDumper

02-09-2007, 06:32 AM

I believe LJ just said they didn't pick him up for a second 10-day contract. Look back a page.

mountainballer

02-09-2007, 06:55 AM

can't find it, but anyhow.
if the Spurs have liked him before, this shouldn't have completly changed.
would the Spurs waive a player, to open a roster spot for him?
don't think they would waive White, even if it was the cheapest option.
better was a trade 1 for 2, that opens a spot.

Bruno

02-09-2007, 06:58 AM

http://draftexpress.com/blogs.php?blogid=3

February 8th, 2007
By Jonathan Givony

Junior Harrington In, Will Conroy Out

Following an NBA callup and lone 10-day contract from the Memphis Grizzlies, Will Conroy will not continue with the team and is expected to return to the D-League. Considered the top point guard in the D-League after having averaged double-digit assist figures for much of the season, Conroy was named to the allstar game on February 18th and will now almost certainly be there.

Replacing him in Memphis will be 6-4 point guard Junior Harrington, who played in Memphis' training camp and was the last player cut from the roster. He will sign a 10-day contract tomorrow, according to informed sources. The 26 year old Harrington, a graduate of Division II Wingate University, has two years of NBA experience under his belt after having caught on with the Denver Nuggets in 2002-2003 and then with the New Orleans Hornets in 2004-2005. He spent last season with Pamesa Valencia in the ACB league, Spain.

Mr.Bottomtooth

02-09-2007, 01:39 PM

He's ours!

AFBlue

02-09-2007, 01:40 PM

He's ours!

Ok don't get me excited....you're saying that we actually got him? If so, I need a link!

Mr. Body

02-20-2007, 01:17 PM

Junior Harrington just got re-upped by Memphis for another 10-days. In 12.0 minutes a game he averaged 5.0 points, 2.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists. On the same kind of contract, Will Conroy did absolutely nothing with his time, either showing the team he was not NBA material yet or showing some kind of attitude problem, since his NBDL stats were so awesome and obviously translate into the NBA.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 01:20 PM

On the same kind of contract, Will Conroy did absolutely nothing with his time, either showing the team he was not NBA material yet or showing some kind of attitude problemOr that the Grizzlies had already found out that Harrington was available soon after they signed Conroy and wanted to go with him since he had been at training camp and they didn't want to let him go then. Did Will steal your girlfriend or something?

Mr. Body

02-20-2007, 01:23 PM

Nope. But for all the lavish praise cast on Conroy, it's clear he has a lot of work to do. This should also put the dampers on people swooning over NBDL stats when they are clear miles from suggesting NBA viability, though I'm sure the next round of people seeing Barrea's stats and openly touching themselves over them is already queued up.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 01:24 PM

Have you seen either of these guys play?

Mr. Body

02-20-2007, 01:27 PM

Yes, I have. Had I not, I suppose you'd discuss them at length in terms of intangibles? :rolleyes

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 01:28 PM

When did you see them?

Mr. Body

02-20-2007, 01:32 PM

When did you go down on your mother?

Does this degenerate into a discussion of how those were bad games to see them, that this other game, they showed something where they obviously were NBA bound? Give me a break. The point of the thread isn't that they're excellent NBDL players, but that the NBDL is the chihuahua league compared to the NBA's mastiffs.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 01:33 PM

So you didn't actually see them play in a game. It's ok dude -- it's not the first time you talked straight out of your ass.

Mr. Body

02-20-2007, 01:37 PM

I've seen them both in college and have NBATV. Summer league games, too. Why don't you quit? You're goosestepping away from the point like a munchkin soldier.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 01:39 PM

I'm not stepping away from any point. I just wanted to know what games you actually watched. You are being way too defensive to imply anything except you don't like these guys simply because timvp does and he made you look bad some time in the past.

Mr. Body

02-20-2007, 01:48 PM

For the record, if the Spurs manage to get rid of Udrih - which I fully support - and free up a roster space, I'd love to get Conroy. What annoys me is when people fall into this mode of badmouthing Udrih (over a sandwich or a pile of trash) in support of guys having admittedly good stats in the developmental league. Not saying you were one of those, btw. Udrih is a better player at this point than Conroy or Barea.

The defensive tone probably comes from some morons on here who have come to annoy the piss out of me who are like the 4'2" goons in middle school who never grow taller than that. They make me feel like I'm in 8th grade again and I've been in 'rip' mode, so I apologize. I have great respect for your showings on the NBDL and otherwise.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 01:58 PM

For the record, if the Spurs manage to get rid of Udrih - which I fully support - and free up a roster space, I'd love to get Conroy.That's pretty much the only reason I ever bring him up. He's got more size than Andre Barrett, but for the most part Will would be at Andre's level -- IR. Barea's D-League stats are wildly overblown as he played pretty much all his games against the worst defensive point guards in the league, and still managed to give up 35 points to one of them (Gerry McNamara).

I agree that Beno is a better player than either, but I also think he just doesn't work on this team.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 04:02 PM

Since LJ will probably look at this page I'll use it to let him know Ndudi Ebi is back with the Fort Worth Flyers. I actually saw him play last week, but it took me awhile to recognize him. I'll see him again Friday.

wildbill2u

02-20-2007, 04:19 PM

May we assume after all the back and forth of folks who've actually seen him play, that Conroy is probably not better than Beno, but folks would just like a change because they don't like Beno's personality, or his game or his attitude or a combination of all his faults which can be combined under "He just doesn't fit with the Spurs."

I'm not sure you get rid of a cheap bad NBA backup for a cheap, good D league player. Maybe we just have to suffer through this season with Beno and hope for a miracle.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 04:24 PM

I'm not sure you get rid of a cheap bad NBA backup for a cheap, good D league player.Well, if Beno is going out in a Maggette trade for instance, I wouldn't hesitate bringing up a D-Leaguer, and Conroy one of the two point guards that might be able to play in the NBA this season. The other is Randy Livingston -- he's a little old and slow for my tastes.

Bruno

02-20-2007, 04:39 PM

Allan Ray has been assign to D-League.

AFBlue

02-20-2007, 05:00 PM

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 05:01 PM

Allan Ray has been assign to D-League.Damn, we really don't need another send down. OTOH we are only 4.5 games out of the playoffs.

Darkwaters

02-20-2007, 06:00 PM

Beno might be worth holding for the season and trading him on draft night. I can already see visions of the Spurs trading Beno and their 1st rounder in order to move up in the draft and take Rudy Fernandez.

MannyIsGod

02-20-2007, 06:36 PM

If his name was Robertas Conroytovas Mr. Body would be all over that ass.

wildbill2u

02-20-2007, 08:53 PM

Well, if Beno is going out in a Maggette trade for instance, I wouldn't hesitate bringing up a D-Leaguer, and Conroy one of the two point guards that might be able to play in the NBA this season. The other is Randy Livingston -- he's a little old and slow for my tastes.
The Magette trade has been discussed ad infinitum, ad nauseum. If, in fact, the Spurs are talking with the Clippers about Magette, not many people think either club will pull the trigger from what I gather because they don't want what we are willing to give.

I have a feeling that one of the reasons the Spurs aren't so hot on the Magette deat is that they'd lose two guys who can play some PG, even if they aren't super backups and have no proven player in sight.

Under the circumstances, with Vaughn the only PG backup if the Barry+Beno trade actually materializes, would you feel comfortable about our chances in the playoffs with a third guard who "might be able to play in the NBA this season.?"

Or is the 'dump Beno' thing you're primary motivation? Just asking.

ChumpDumper

02-20-2007, 08:58 PM

Under the circumstances, with Vaughn the only PG backup if the Barry+Beno trade actually materializes, would you feel comfortable about our chances in the playoffs with a third guard who "might be able to play in the NBA this season.?"Depends on who comes in on the trade.

Do you feel comfortable with the current roster?
Or is the 'dump Beno' thing you're primary motivation?He and Barry are the most likely to be traded. If we don't get a point guard in return for Beno we'll have to get one. This isn't rocket science.

wildbill2u

02-20-2007, 11:56 PM

Depends on who comes in on the trade.

Do you feel comfortable with the current roster?He and Barry are the most likely to be traded. If we don't get a point guard in return for Beno we'll have to get one. This isn't rocket science.
I agree. But you said: "I agree that Beno is a better player than either,[conroy or Barea} and "we don't need another send down"

I agree with all that. So aren't we stuck unless we just get rid of Beno for the hell of it because "he doesn't fit with this team"?

Unless we can find another legitimate PG on a bench somewhere, I don't see much advantage in getting rid of him for another sent down DLeaguer. That's not rocket science, just reality.

ChumpDumper

02-21-2007, 12:01 AM

I agree. But you said: "I agree that Beno is a better player than either,[conroy or Barea} and "we don't need another send down"The TOROS don't need another send down. From the CELTICS. Who would get sent DOWN to the Spurs?
I agree with all that. So aren't we stuck unless we just get rid of Beno for the hell of it because "he doesn't fit with this team"?Is trading Beno in a package for Maggette "just for the hell of it?"

No.

You can complain that that particular trade is dead, but I never said get rid of Beno for nothing.

timvp

02-21-2007, 02:40 AM

:lmao

timvp is still in his head while playing poker in Vegas.

Classic.

Kori Ellis

02-27-2007, 06:59 PM

Will Conroy was called up by the Clippers...

Will Conroy of the Tulsa 66ers has received his second call-up of the season from the Los Angeles Clippers. Conroy was signed to a 10 day contract by the Memphis Grizzlies on January 30th, and is the third D-League player to receive a 10 day contract from the Clippers this season. To make room for the signing, shooting guard Von Wafer will not remain with Los Angeles.

The Clippers have suddenly become thin at the point guard position due to the gruesome knee injury suffered by Shaun Livingston last night. Sam Cassell isn’t totally healthy either (though he plays limited minutes), and the only other ball-handler on their roster is Daniel Ewing.

Conroy will have a good opportunity to earn minutes considering the current injury situation of the Clippers. It can be hard for a point guard to pick up on a system in a matter of 10 days, but Conroy is the best option available at this point in time. He will be in uniform this week when Los Angeles returns to Seattle, Conroy’s hometown. In 31 games with the Tulsa 66ers this season, Conroy has averaged 15.2 points and 10.8 assists per game.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blogs.php?blogid=6&a=1878&mod=comment

ChumpDumper

02-28-2007, 09:25 PM

Another 66er, Mike Hall got called up also by the team that originally had him in camp -- the Wizards. I had him pencilled in as a long small forward summer league invite.

T Park

02-28-2007, 10:34 PM

Good oppurtunity for em.

If Livingston got hurt before the trade deadline, that trade might have gone through.

RADECK

03-01-2007, 08:21 AM

He cant be so bad as Beno and Jackie! Spurs cant loss nothing!

Sign him!

Darkwaters

03-01-2007, 11:14 AM

With Livingston out for a while Cassell having strained his groin last night we'll probably get to see what Conroy can do in the NBA pretty soon. Should be interesting.

Mr. Body

03-01-2007, 11:38 AM

If his name was Robertas Conroytovas Mr. Body would be all over that ass.

Nah, he'd still be a successful NBDL player. That is, with miles to go.

boutons_

03-01-2007, 12:18 PM

Clipper Will was extremely energetic waving towels last night. :lol

Please_dont_ban_me

03-01-2007, 11:19 PM

:lol

I'm doing my thing on the laptop, and I hear in the backround "...and Will Conroy checks into the game".

Bruno

03-02-2007, 05:17 AM

Rumor is that Clippers will sign Hart when he will clear waivers.
Conroy hasn't been lucky with his call out : first Memphis and Junior Harrington then Clippers and Hart.

timvp

03-02-2007, 05:39 AM

Conroy is a pass first point guard who'll need to hook up with a team that has quality scoring options. His best fits would be with a team like the Suns, Warriors or Nuggets.

I'd like to see if he could help the Spurs, but that's not going to happen this year.

ChumpDumper

03-02-2007, 05:58 AM

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070302/capt.wajn11103020715.clippers_supersonics_basketba ll_wajn111.jpg
Jason Hart? I just got here!

Darkwaters

03-05-2007, 11:29 PM

Clippers Sign Hart, Release Conroy
5th March, 2007 - 7:51 pm
RealGM -
The Los Angeles Clippers today signed free agent guard Jason Hart, it was announced by Vice President of Basketball Operations Elgin Baylor.
The Clippers will be Hart's fifth NBA team, as the point guard was placed on waivers by the Sacramento Kings on March 1.

A six-year NBA veteran, Hart appeared in 13 games with Sacramento this season, averaging 3.3 points, 1.2 rebounds and 0.8 assists in 7.7 minutes per game. He played in 66 games in 2005-06 in his first season with the Kings, averaging 3.3 points and 1.1 assists.

In a related move, the Clippers released guard Will Conroy. Conroy was signed to a 10-day contract on February 28, 2007.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/45017/20070305/clippers_sign_hart_release_conroy/