Elson mentioned in a "possible" rumor

[MoSpur]

http://www.examiner.com/a-525626~Will_Mullin_pull_another_deal_.html

Will Mullin pull another deal?

Matt Steinmetz, The Examiner
Jan 24, 2007 3:00 AM (6 hrs ago)


SAN FRANCISCO - We can all now agree that Warriors vice president of basketball operations Chris Mullin knows how to make a mind-boggling move. He’s proven that silence doesn’t necessarily mean inaction and that, apparently, anything’s possible.

How else can you explain his two signature trades, both of which came out of the blue and with a certain “It just doesn’t add up” quality?

Two years ago, he recognized his team’s need for some star quality, and with no buildup or foreshadowing he snatched Baron Davis from the New Orleans Hornets for a backup point guard and an expiring contract.

He did the implausible again last week when he seemingly moved the unmovable, sending Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy to Indiana for two starters and another rotation player.

In each case, Mullin not only comprehended Warriors deficiencies, but acknowledged them and acted to correct them.

So, the obvious question is this: Who is the athletic frontcourt player Mullin will acquire?

Pau Gasol, anyone? How does Andrei Kirilenko sound? What about Rasheed Wallace?

Those of you scoffing out there don’t have a lot of credibility left. You thought the Warriors were stuck with Dunleavy and Murphy, and their big-money contracts, and Mullin moved them both. In the same deal. For Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson and Sarunas Jasikevicius, no less. And they saved $30-some million in the process.

Back in February 2005, Mullin acquired Davis from the Hornets for Speedy Claxton (OK, he’s starting now for Atlanta, but still) and Dale Davis.

Are you detecting a theme here? Harrington and Jasikevicius

weren’t fitting in for the Indiana Pacers, and Jackson simply had to go. Davis had run his course in New Orleans. Apparently, Mullin believes all it takes is one transaction to make a disgruntled player gruntled.

The disclaimer is that these two moves have yet to pay playoff dividends. Davis, for all his talent, is still working on getting the Warriors over the hump. And Harrington, Jackson, et al., haven’t proven they can or can’t help because they’ve just gotten here.

But the moves themselves are the issue here. They’ve been both confounding and hope-inspiring.

The only problem with those two trades is they set a ridiculously high standard for the next one. Is Kevin Garnett on his way here? Who knows? But it sure seems less unlikely today than it did a week ago.

Maybe Mullin’s next move will be more subtle, say for a Francisco Elson, Nazr Mohammed or Stromile Swift. It’s impossible to know.

But know this: If you and I can see that the Warriors are getting hurt too much by the likes of Ronny Turiaf, Anderson Varejao and Reggie Evans — not to mention the real big boys such as Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire and Marcus Camby — Mullin sees it, too.

And if Mullin sees it, we now know that he’s working on it.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see it. Elson's speed is too important to this team.

[Budkin]

Hah... Elson is going to be big for us down the stretch. We'd have to be getting something pretty damn good to trade an athletic 7 footer.

[MoSpur]

I thought the same thing. I know he isn't putting up huge numbers and still hasn't learned the system really well, but right now he is the best thing the Spurs have for an athletic big. The Spurs would have to get some pretty good players in return.

[Big P]

Thats not a rumor, thats some beat writer trying to guess Mullins next move.

[MoSpur]

That's why I included the word "possible" in the title.

[VaSpursFan]

he's doing a vecsey, yanking shit from his ass. no validity to this claim, merely a writer's wish list.

[mabber]

he's doing a vecsey, yanking shit from his ass. no validity to this claim, merely a writer's wish list.

Exactly.

[cheguevara]

That's why I included the word "possible" in the title.

:rolleyes another "possible" trade rumor: Cheryl Miller to the Spurs:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58502

[johnpaulwall21]

I wish he would want oberto but no one does

[T-Pain]

no, keep Elson

[remingtonbo2001]

What about Scola? How about for Jackson?....We might have to throw in another player, say Beans, or E. Williams? Maybe not, depending on the intial buyout, plus the overall contract. Do you guys think Scola would fit well in G.S.?

[Streakyshooter08]

Well, I think Nelson would love to have a center, that is able to run the floor like Elson. But I would keep him. He is quick and strong enough to make it a little harder for Dirk of course he can't stop him... but nobody really can...

[johnpaulwall21]

We havent even seen scola play one game in the nba, so no one knows if he will actually fit in here. Who da hell is BEANS? Kobe?

[timvp]

Uh, I'd trade Elson in a second for the right deal. Why are Spurs fans shooting a deal down just because Elson is in it? :rollin

[johnpaulwall21]

cause hes our best center and hes athletic

[remingtonbo2001]

We havent even seen scola play one game in the nba, so no one knows if he will actually fit in here. Who da hell is BEANS? Kobe?


No, BEANS is BENO....I don't know....I just like calling him BEANS...It seems like a good fit.

[johnpaulwall21]

u mean lil sh*t head

[remingtonbo2001]

Yeah, same guy....Beno reminds me of a CAN OF UNOPENED BEANS.....so much potential, but without a can opener, what good is a can of beans?

[AFBlue]

Uh, I'd trade Elson in a second for the right deal. Why are Spurs fans shooting a deal down just because Elson is in it? :rollin

Well said. After all, this guy is a 30yr old $3M/yr hole-filler at Center. He can be serviceable, but he's not untradeable in the least.

[AFBlue]

What about Scola? How about for Jackson?....We might have to throw in another player, say Beans, or E. Williams? Maybe not, depending on the intial buyout, plus the overall contract. Do you guys think Scola would fit well in G.S.?

Diogu as an undersized PF who's strength is inside scoring was let go....my guess is that Scola wouldn't be popular w/ Nellie either. Francisco on the other hand....I think he'd be very attractive to an uptempo team like GS, probably the impetus for the suggestion.

[Spurminator]

:lol

Speculation on possible rumors. That's why I love this board.

Elson is far from untouchable.

[MoSpur]

I never felt that what this dude wrote was close to true. I put it on here because he mentioned Elson in this article. Why he included Elson in his article is beyond me? I just found it interesting and wanted feedback from the posters here.

I like Elson's quickness and some upside he has shown from time to time, but if Golden State really were to want Elson, I think the Spurs would let him go if they got someone in return that would improve the team.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

He just pulled a name out of the air, thats all. And Elson is EASILY tradeable.

[bigdog]

i wouldnt call him untouchable when you have fabricio oberto getting blocked by soyyass players. cisco is our best center when it comes to playing against the best teams in the west. i wouldnt call him untradeable,but unless we get a dominant guy,he WONT be traded, and Pop said that Cisco is a big part of the plan for the future,so theres no need to speculate about any rumors,when its not gonna happen

[Mr. Body]

Uh, I'd trade Elson in a second for the right deal. Why are Spurs fans shooting a deal down just because Elson is in it? :rollin

What conceivable trade is there for Elson that would help this team? What team would give us what we need for a guy like him?

[LilMissSPURfect]

:rolleyes another "possible" trade rumor: Cheryl Miller to the Spurs:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58502


:clap :lol :lol

[timvp]

What conceivable trade is there for Elson that would help this team? What team would give us what we need for a guy like him?

If the Warriors wanted to salary dump someone like JRich or even Foyle and were willing to part with Biedrins, I'd do that in a second even if it meant *gasp* giving up Francisco Elson.

Spurs fans will consider trading Tony or Manu for Jermaine O'Neal ... but don't you dare put Elson in a trade rumor.

Classic.

[MoSpur]

I would really like Biedrins or J Rich. I'd even like Jackson or Pietrus.

[Mr. Body]

timvp-- call me when they offer that. I'm sure they'll trade Biedrins just to 'dump' salary like Jason Richardson, or even Adonal Foyle.

[Big P]

GS would not give up Biedrens to dump salary to get Elson.

[Mr. Body]

timvp chiding us makes no sense. If for some reason GSW will trade us Pietrus for Elson, absolutely do it. Or maybe they'd offer Monta Ellis!!!

But within the realm of credible trades - which ain't much - no, we shouldn't be looking to trade Elson. Because we would not get equitable value for him, not for what other teams would offer.

[baseline bum]

Uh, I'd trade Elson in a second for the right deal. Why are Spurs fans shooting a deal down just because Elson is in it? :rollin

Unless Golden State is offering Jack or Pietrus (both doubtful), I'm not interested in moving the lone big on our team who looks like he has a pulse.

[timvp]

Because we would not get equitable value for him, not for what other teams would offer.

Yeah, you are right. Elson is untradeable.

:sleep

[Mr. Body]

Of course he's not untradeable. The question is, what can we get for him? Answer: not much.

Is that Not Much better than what he gives us?

Probably not.

You find something better? Lovely.

[timvp]

Of course he's not untradeable. The question is, what can we get for him? Answer: not much.

Is that Not Much better than what he gives us?

Probably not.

You find something better? Lovely.

If a team wants Elson thrown in with Barry to get a solid fifth starter or the team's first quality bench player, there's no question you do the trade.

[Kori Ellis]

If Elson were traded, it would be in a package deal. You can't get much back for his $3M salary. If the Spurs other bigs would have done more so far, I could have easily seen Elson/Barry traded for an expiring contract :nerd or a bench player.

I still don't know if he's the Spurs "best center". He and Oberto are about the same to me. However, he does "out tall" Oberto. :lol

[Mr. Body]

If a team wants Elson thrown in with Barry to get a solid fifth starter or the team's first quality bench player, there's no question you do the trade.

Agreed. Don't know if the Spurs' front office does it, though.

[MoSpur]

The funny thing is that a lot of people actually think Elson's on the trading block because the article happened to mention his name. It could "possibly" be a rumor. I didn't know there were so many damn Elson fans. I like Elson's game, but he isn't untouchable. IF (key word), he were to be wanted by the Warriors, I am sure the Spurs would do their best to get a player back in return that would impact the team in a good way right away.

[cheguevara]

You can't get much back for his $3M salary.

bingo! I don't think ppl are saying Elson is untradeable, but there is noone we can find that can be an improvement for that much $

[Big P]

Also, with the recent trade, GS has wiped off about $30 million in future contracts...they are not as desperate as they once were to shed salary.

[Big P]

bingo! I don't think ppl are saying Elson is untradeable, but there is noone we can find that can be an improvement for that much $

This also goes for Bowen, people were saying trade him for something, but the reality is, he makes $3.75 million & what we would get back in a player making comprable salary, would not equal what Bowen is worth to us. Now in a package deal, he might be able to help us return more value for him, but these kind of packages a few & far between.

To me it looks like the 08/09 plan is in full effect. The best that we are going to be able to do next year is offer somebody like Nocioni our full MLE, cross our fingers & hope he wants to play with Manu & Oberto. Also, next year, Barry will be an expiring contract & maybe we could package him with the rights to Scola, and bring back somebody that can help us out.

[DubMcDub]

What conceivable trade is there for Elson that would help this team? What team would give us what we need for a guy like him?

A scrub center with good athleticism but little to no basketball IQ?

[Extra Stout]

Seriously people, you think Francisco Elson is untradeable?

Look, if you've gotten to the point mentally where you think the Spurs' postseason chances hinge on some marginal big man, you're only deluding yourself into thinking that they have any chance at all.

[ChumpDumper]

Elson is tradeable.

This article is bullshit.

Sam Smith, west coast style.

[exstatic]

Any writer who is excited about acquiring Yassah-cabbages deserves only scorn.

[Brodels]

Some of you are foolish.

The Spurs have exactly three players who can create their own shot. If the Spurs don't win a championship, and that seems likely unless things change, this will probably be a big reason. Getting an athletic wing player who can defend and create his own shot is crucial. If you have the opportunity to trade a marginal NBA center for a player that can fill a need, you do it.

Unless, that it, you enjoy watching Bruce Bowen take people off the dribble or Mike Finley brick threes over and over again.

This team just isn't as good as the Mavs and probably the Suns. And unlike with some past seasons, it's not about giving the team enough time to come together.

If trading Francisco would fix a fundamental flaw, you do it every time.

While it's true that Elson probably isn't going to net you a huge prize, if he's packaged with a player like Barry, an expiring contract like Williams, and a pick, getting a decent player in return is certainly a possibility. Stranger things have happened.